allow Janitor to forge a last will

[Chane]

simple addition based on FM.

Option:
-the Janitor can forge a last will for the target but leave the role open on/off default: off

if the option is turned on the janitor will have 2 buttons to choose from per name. the first one erasing name and lw and the second one revealing role but forging a last will.

when the forge button is pressed a -lw box appears where you can write a custom lw for the target. you will not see the targets current last will. if the janitor does not finish the lw by pressing the square button that writes it the target will simply be cleaned

Meta implications: will make the Janitor a more skillful role to play, because you must decide between the 2. also adds a whole new layer of WIFOM. if a sheriff dies and you forge a -lw in which mob members are ns that can help, but if one of these dies and the role is shown town knows it was a forged last will. also if the target was lets say and escort and you give him a sheriff -lw then you wasted a clean.

this means it's equal in power to the normal clean as you can set up plans at this cost. it will be a fun addition imo.

pro's:
-adds a new layer of WIFOM
-makes janitor more fun/versatile to play
-is balanced because of the 2 drawbacks
-risk reward
-its an option so you can choose to have it or not.

con's
-pubs might misuse this and not know how to forge the last will. (in this case a normal clean happens so this is countered)
-makes janitor harder to learn for pubs

I would like to /discuss the option and if it should be default on/off

I have the opinion that it should be off in default so hosts can choose so I will vote for that

[Gzz]

I think this thing of forgin lw was rejected for some reason , but i don' t rember why .....
Anyway , i like the idea

[MrMostache]

A consi+janitor would be very powerful with this. Not to metion it's already powerful as it is.

[Chane]

A consi+janitor would be very powerful with this. Not to metion it's already powerful as it is.

it would, but this allows a host to balance his set-up based on this. maybe he has cons+janitor+mafioso, sacing the power of a godfather for more deception

its meant as an option for this reason

[Fatalis]

1. It is overpowered
2. It will mindfck the pubs

[Chane]

1. It is overpowered
2. It will mindfck the pubs

exactly how would this be overpowered? just wondering but the 2 main drawbacks balance it if you compare it with the normal clean + erase if

[Fatalis]

exactly how would this be overpowered? just wondering but the 2 main drawbacks balance it if you compare it with the normal clean + erase if

Here, if you erase the role, people will know that it is either cleaned or disguiser.
If you know that X is a trusted person/sheriff/detective/lookout/whatever, you can forge the last will claiming Y to be innocent or stuffs like that. And normally in Pubs if they see a dead Sheriff with a last will they will 90% believe it. You get what I'm trying to say?

[TRINITY]

I suppose you could reveal dead roles, not change lw at all and try to tell them that it indeed is a fake lw.

[Chane]

I suppose you could reveal dead roles, not change lw at all and try to tell them that it indeed is a fake lw.

WIFOM

[LeaD]

Fabricator needed :9
i'd rather have a fabricator, cuz it increases the coroners usefulness by atleast 50%.

[Chane]

Fabricator needed :9
i'd rather have a fabricator, cuz it increases the coroners usefulness by atleast 50%.

never heard of that role, you aren't leaking aren't you :o searching for it now

[Gzz]

The fabricator normally makes an ability fail OR can change the lw , depends of the type of FM

[madbird20]

I think this would be a fun addition to the Janitor role. And if Coroners can detect a faked LW and see the real one, then that'd make Coroner more important. I like

[Slaol]

Nice concept. Just need a Mafia role that does this and nothing else. But wouldn't it be apparent, since the last will showed up, instead of being cleaned?

[Chane]

Nice concept. Just need a Mafia role that does this and nothing else. But wouldn't it be apparent, since the last will showed up, instead of being cleaned?

no because the role is not cleaned ;)

[Tensa]

It's a good idea but maybe you should have charge for this ability cause if you have unlimited charge you can abuse and maybe coroner should have same but for discover the true lw like someone said highter

[Chane]

It's a good idea but maybe you should have charge for this ability cause if you have unlimited charge you can abuse and maybe coroner should have same but for discover the true lw like someone said highter

its limited to the same charge system as clean

[Damus_Graves]

This is not overpowered. I think it is just not possible to code.

[MrMostache]

This is not overpowered. I think it is just not possible to code.

It's actually possible to code. Think of a death note as an example.

[Damus_Graves]

It's actually possible to code. Think of a death note as an example.

Then janitor needs a change if this gets implemented.

[Slaol]

no because the role is not cleaned ;)

Missed that. Would still be kind of apparent if Janitor hadn't cleaned if he was around. Would kind of need to use all forges first before cleaning. I would much rather this idea be it's own role. If it gets in that isn't that OP, but giving Janitor; which i tend to think of as the 2nd best Mafia role (behind Godfather), more options just is too much, i think.

I support the mechanic, but would prefer a 'Forger' role, or this going on Framer.

[maccabbe]

Janitor is already a very powerful role, I recommend you give this to a framer which has become under powered since he doesn't affect 2 of the investigative roles and he is supposed to be good at forgery.

You wouldn't even need to add buttons, give him one charge and if he has written a forged will and his target dies then he forges the will, otherwise he just frames the player he targeted.

[Damus_Graves]

Janitor is already a very powerful role, I recommend you give this to a framer which has become under powered since he doesn't affect 2 of the investigative roles and he is supposed to be good at forgery.

You wouldn't even need to add buttons, give him one charge and if he has written a forged will and his target dies then he forges the will, otherwise he just frames the player he targeted.

This is an idea i can support.

[creedkingsx]

This is something that would be useless to most pubs. They would sheep around like herp tards.
Meh, not too for it just because of that.

[Blazer]

This is something that would be useless to most pubs. They would sheep around like herp tards.
Meh, not too for it just because of that.

I don't like it for SC2. It's great for FM though.
Pubs can't handle it.

[Blazer]

I agree. This would be good for FM

It has already been implemented in FM lol. So by would be, you mean IS.

[Damus_Graves]

It has already been implemented in FM lol. So by would be, you mean IS.

I dont know what your talking about

[Blazer]

I dont know what your talking about

Janitor: Cleanse the body of whoever was killed that night or forge a last will.

its been in my setups for a while now.

[RLVG]

Imagine public.

Confirmed Sheriff :
"7 Gasoline, 4 Knives, 12 Arsenal, 14 Loner"

[Glip]

This is something that would be useless to most pubs. They would sheep around like herp tards.
Meh, not too for it just because of that.

I vote we force pubs to learn to be smart.

I also vote that it makes more sense as part of the Framer role (or part of a new role entirely) instead of the Janitor role.

[Cryptonic]

Imagine public.

Confirmed Sheriff :
"7 Gasoline, 4 Knives, 12 Arsenal, 14 Loner"

I'd be like: "How the fuck did a Sheriff get these results?"

[Glip]

I'd be like: "How the fuck did a Sheriff get these results?"

I'd be like: "Lol, fail framer"

Or janitor, or whatever hypothetical role would hypothetically have this hypothetical ability.

[Damus_Graves]

Framer fits with this idea a little better than janitor does.

[Cryptonic]

I'd hypothetically be like: "Lol, fail framer"

Or janitor, or whatever hypothetical role would hypothetically have this hypothetical ability.

fixed