Day Four: Will Tomorrow Be a Latter Day?

[Helena]

Underlining it makes it harder to read and understand.

By acting whacko and suspicious, you make yourself an easy lynch target, and thus UNLIKELY TO GET SHOT (Why kill you at night if they can get a mislynch on you the next day?). Hard to take a bullet if you don't get shot.

By coming out so strongly against Lupino, with Lupino being town, that increased the odds of Lupino being shot, in order to greater frame you and make you even easier to lynch.

Your actions have only hurt the town.

This... I didn't know how to explain it with proper words, tbh.
+1 to you, sir.

[Faykan]

Agreed Darwi, Did I miss someone asking what happens when mason/revolutionary target the same person? Or is it cool to ask.

[Tylwyth]

A citizen simply does not act full retard and be a meat shield.

They do if it protects a power role.

[Darwi]

Just to reinforce that I'm still the same person you jailed, if you read this jailor,Here you are (My apologies to the FMGM for that color, but I can't change an established code without being rejailed, unless you want to communicate the change to him)

Why apologize for using a code which the GM had already approved?

[Paulus]

They do if it protects a power role.

BUT THAT DOESN'T PROTECT A POWER ROLE, THAT ACTUALLY HURTS THEM BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT BE TARGETED, SO THE PRs HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF BEING KILLED.

LEARN TO PLAY, PLEASE.

I would not be opposed to a Tywyth lynch/jailor exe in the next few days.

[Paulus]

I would not be opposed to a Tywyth lynch/jailor exe in the next few days.

Like we should have done yesterday, and look, the two non-towns who have died today? THEY DIDN'T VOTE FOR TYLWYTH YESTERDAY

[Paulus]

The Caps, by the way, represent me yelling at you. So you know. =)

[Faykan]

Why apologize for using a code which the GM had already approved?

Because I know the FMGM well enough to know he may not have actually read that list during the code description post.

[Tylwyth]

Underlining it makes it harder to read and understand.

By acting whacko and suspicious, you make yourself an easy lynch target, and thus UNLIKELY TO GET SHOT (Why kill you at night if they can get a mislynch on you the next day?). Hard to take a bullet if you don't get shot.

By coming out so strongly against Lupino, with Lupino being town, that increased the odds of Lupino being shot, in order to greater frame you and make you even easier to lynch.

Your actions have only hurt the town.

Could be right.

Look at it another way, a way ive tried to say but not too loudly.

That me being alive as a confirmed cit could hurt the town if I am converted.

Right now I am still a Cit and need to think as one. What can I do to help Town? Well, dying so power roles live is one. But also, ensuring that I am not converted. This could cost me the game as the Revos are sitting pretty right now, and if converted to Revo i would have to play to my win condition, which again, hurts town.

Does that mean a lynch should be used on me yet when Sheeana & Ilban are still alive? No. But if I am not converted to Mason then as a Citizen with a Cult in play, I could be a threat.

[Darwi]

Agreed Darwi, Did I miss someone asking what happens when mason/revolutionary target the same person? Or is it cool to ask.

It was asked in the Q&A thread. Cultist conversion takes precedence. Then, Mason targeting cultist rules apply: If there are 3 or more total cultists (including the one just converted), then mason and cultist targeted both die. If 2 or less total cultists, then mason and cultist targeted learn each other's identities.

[Faykan]

It was asked in the Q&A thread. Cultist conversion takes precedence. Then, Mason targeting cultist rules apply: If there are 3 or more total cultists (including the one just converted), then mason and cultist targeted both die. If 2 or less total cultists, then mason and cultist targeted learn each other's identities.

Thank you kind sir.

[Tylwyth]

BUT THAT DOESN'T PROTECT A POWER ROLE, THAT ACTUALLY HURTS THEM BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT BE TARGETED, SO THE PRs HAVE A HIGHER CHANCE OF BEING KILLED.

LEARN TO PLAY, PLEASE.

I would not be opposed to a Tywyth lynch/jailor exe in the next few days.

Dont worry. Mafia will kill me off as I am a huge Revo threat as confirmed Cit.

Dont waste a lynch on me when Sheeana, confirmed scum, and Ilban are still alive.

Cult is too much of a threat to Mafia to keep me alive for long.

[Faykan]

Btw Good news my friends, thanks to the wonders of school (college) starting I'll be more active today than previously.

[Paulus]

Dont worry. Mafia will kill me off as I am a huge Revo threat as confirmed Cit.

Dont waste a lynch on me when Sheeana, confirmed scum, and Ilban are still alive.

Cult is too much of a threat to Mafia to keep me alive for long.

Why are you trying to die??

WHY???

[Tylwyth]

Paulus i hate to say it, but I have had better kisses at Midnight.

Seriously, what was up with all that spit? Like kissing a horse.

[Faykan]

Dont worry. Mafia will kill me off as I am a huge Revo threat as confirmed Cit.

Dont waste a lynch on me when Sheeana, confirmed scum, and Ilban are still alive.

Cult is too much of a threat to Mafia to keep me alive for long.

Becoming a confirmed citizen is impossible until you are masoned, at which time you will be confirmed mason and immune to Revo conversion. Stop trying to imply you have any credibility.

[Paulus]

Why are you trying to die??

WHY???

Trying from Day 2 to be killed, lynch or at night, is NEVER EVER Pro town... We just don't have the numbers for you to do that.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Because I know the FMGM well enough to know he may not have actually read that list during the code description post.

What's that supposed to mean >.>

[Faykan]

What's that supposed to mean >.>

You know. Exactly what I mean.

[Paulus]

Anyway, I have school tomorrow, so I need to sleep.

Ill be back soon.

[Tylwyth]

Why are you trying to die??

WHY???

So town has a better chance to win.

This isnt a -suicide by any means.

Its a "i need to become Mason or I could be a threat to town due to the Revos."

Right now the biggest threat to town is Sheeana and Ilban. But any confirmed Cits are right after that.

Town dont waste a lynch on us. Force Mafia/sk to use kills on us.

[Tylwyth]

Trying from Day 2 to be killed, lynch or at night, is NEVER EVER Pro town... We just don't have the numbers for you to do that.

Ya it was a new strat I have been wanting to try.

I called it "Pulling a Jesus."

[Torynn]

Paulus i hate to say it, but I have had better kisses at Midnight.

Seriously, what was up with all that spit? Like kissing a horse.

Claim rb like a normal person, thanks.

@Another night with a missing mafia kill, or does a mafia member killing a mason override the night kill? I don't think so. Otherwise the Mason would be riddled with bullets.

If sheanna is cult and she blunted the Mason why is she still alive? = healed or Atlas with no vest left or got a vest from the Smith.

[Faykan]

So town has a better chance to win.

This isnt a -suicide by any means.

Its a "i need to become Mason or I could be a threat to town due to the Revos."

Right now the biggest threat to town is Sheeana and Ilban. But any confirmed Cits are right after that.

Town dont waste a lynch on us. Force Mafia/sk to use kills on us.

BAD BADB BADBASKFBDJKFNSDJG

[Tylwyth]

Becoming a confirmed citizen is impossible until you are masoned, at which time you will be confirmed mason and immune to Revo conversion. Stop trying to imply you have any credibility.

Guess it is true that im not confirmed. But believe me when I say I am and look how straight forward I am being.

[Faykan]

Guess it is true that im not confirmed. But believe me when I say I am and look how straight forward I am being.

The cunning part of my strategy is that excepting the lie about nothing happening and then admitting to being jailed, I've been 100% honest this entire game and it confused people.

[Tylwyth]

Claim rb like a normal person, thanks.

@Another night with a missing mafia kill, or does a mafia member killing a mason override the night kill? I don't think so. Otherwise the Mason would be riddled with bullets.

If sheanna is cult and she blunted the Mason why is she still alive? = healed or Atlas with no vest left or got a vest from the Smith.

Was not RB. That was a comment relating back to Day 1. We agreed to kiss at Midnight.

[Tylwyth]

The cunning part of my strategy is that excepting the lie about nothing happening and then admitting to being jailed, I've been 100% honest this entire game and it confused people.

Lol I believe it.

Did you claim Cit as well? Sorry trying to rememer.

[Faykan]

Lol I believe it.

Did you claim Cit as well? Sorry trying to rememer.

Yes I claimed Denizen.

[Darwi]

Claim rb like a normal person, thanks.

@Another night with a missing mafia kill, or does a mafia member killing a mason override the night kill? I don't think so. Otherwise the Mason would be riddled with bullets.

If sheanna is cult and she blunted the Mason why is she still alive? = healed or Atlas with no vest left or got a vest from the Smith.

Regardless, Kynes being dead confirms that she can only be cult, maf, or sk. It's very unlikely that she's a plain revolutionist. She would have had to be a Denizen to start, and then been targeted by the masons, the revolutionaries, and a doctor (with one doctor being afk modkilled already) all in the same night. It's most probable that she's Atlas himself, the SK, or a maf. All of which are high-priority lynch targets. I personally hope she's Atlas.

If Atlas is killed, would that permanently remove the Revolutionaries' ability to recruit?

[Forum Mafia GM]

If Atlas is killed, would that permanently remove the Revolutionaries' ability to recruit?

Refer to role cards.

[Tylwyth]

Claim rb like a normal person, thanks.

@Another night with a missing mafia kill, or does a mafia member killing a mason override the night kill? I don't think so. Otherwise the Mason would be riddled with bullets.

If sheanna is cult and she blunted the Mason why is she still alive? = healed or Atlas with no vest left or got a vest from the Smith.

"Spoiler : Mason :
– As a member of the Saturnine you have a deep love of nature. Ryan has restricted your tree-hugging ways. You find friends among the Refugees.

Each night you may target a player to visit, and leave a pamphlet. If player is a denizen they will join you the following night, and be notified.
If your target is a member of Ryan Industries, Fontaine Enterprises, Atlas, or a Killing Neutral. You will be brutally murdered on the spot.
If your target is a member of the Revolutionaries, and they have 3+ members. You will kill each other. If they have 2 members you will learn each others identities."

Thats why.

[Tylwyth]

Regardless, Kynes being dead confirms that she can only be cult, maf, or sk. It's very unlikely that she's a plain revolutionist. She would have had to be a Denizen to start, and then been targeted by the masons, the revolutionaries, and a doctor (with one doctor being afk modkilled already) all in the same night. It's most probable that she's Atlas himself, the SK, or a maf. All of which are high-priority lynch targets. I personally hope she's Atlas.

THIS!!!!

[Torynn]

I like how you totaly ignore the possibility that the Revos are at 4 already because one of the hidden neuts could have been a revo. That's so hawt Darwi. :*

[Tylwyth]

Yes I claimed Denizen.

Right so your in the same boat as me as we could both be future threats unless Masonised.... Which seems unlikely unless we have another doctor who can heal Duncun from incoming attacks.

Hope Mafia wastes night kills on us and not important town roles.

[Tylwyth]

I like how you totaly ignore the possibility that the Revos are at 4 already because one of the hidden neuts could have been a revo. That's so hawt Darwi. :*

My Gawd.

[Tylwyth]

Right so your in the same boat as me as we could both be future threats unless Masonised.... Which seems unlikely unless we have another doctor who can heal Duncun from incoming attacks.

Hope Mafia wastes night kills on us and not important town roles.

Duncan*

[Darwi]

Refer to role cards.

The role cards say nothing about Revolutionists having an ability to recruit if Atlas dies, but since you have previously posted information that runs contrary to what the role cards imply,namely that of a Revolutionist being sent for the kill when Revolutionists total 3 or more people (allowing Revolutionists to kill and recruit in the same night), despite the Revolutionist rolecard saying nothing about being sent for kills and Atlas's rolecard saying that he can personally target one person to kill, not that he can send a revolutionary to kill one person, I thought I might ask just to be sure.

[Tessia]

Interesting night indeed, modkills seem excessive though.
Since mason's will clearly states who is evil and since it's our best bet, I'm gonna vote Sheana
-vote Sheeana

[Tessia]

Moar pressure

[Torynn]

Apparently this: from the Atlas role card:

When Revolutionary Team reaches three living members you may target one player to kill per night.

N1 denzien recruited, N2 denizen recruited, N3 the very first night they could kill.

That's why i want to hear from Duncan if Sheanna got recruited.

Herpderp much?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Only the Revolutionary Leader can recruit. Any Revo can be sent to perform the kill. If they have the numbers.

[Tylwyth]

Apparently this: from the Atlas role card:

When Revolutionary Team reaches three living members you may target one player to kill per night.

N1 denzien recruited, N2 denizen recruited, N3 the very first night they could kill.

That's why i want to hear from Duncan if Sheanna got recruited.

Herpderp much?

This is a very good point. Surprised we have not seen Duncan on here yet or Sheanna.

[Darwi]

I like how you totaly ignore the possibility that the Revos are at 4 already because one of the hidden neuts could have been a revo. That's so hawt Darwi. :*

Even if the revos are at 4 today, Sheeana is still most likely not one of them, unless she's Atlas. Your point?

[Tylwyth]

Moar pressure

Moar not being such a lurker!

[Darwi]

Apparently this: from the Atlas role card:

When Revolutionary Team reaches three living members you may target one player to kill per night.

N1 denzien recruited, N2 denizen recruited, N3 the very first night they could kill.

That's why i want to hear from Duncan if Sheanna got recruited.

Herpderp much?

The mason's last will stated that Atlas targeted them on night 1. Therefore, given that Atlas was the only living cultist at the beginning of the game, the revos could not possibly begin killing until night 4. Meaning Kynes was killed by targeting Atlas, SK, or Maf.

Please don't lynch Sheeana yet. We need more discussion first.

[Torynn]

Oh wait the Mason lw herpaderp. Shit you guys get me stupid too. Fuck! Going to bed! :-P

[Tessia]

Moar not being such a lurker!

I'm trying :c

[Mohiam]

I think Sheeana is Atlas from the death description and I doubt the revs had 2 recruits last night. She's not so confirmed that she can be lynched before speaking though.

I don't like the way the masons have been picking their targets. Recruiting claimed cits reduces the chance of the revolutionists recruiting and gives you a team member who is unlikely to die. You don't need to hide like the revolutionaries.

I half regret not voting Tylwyth yesterday. His explanations for the first two days are bullshit, he changes into a town leader overnight and he has a freudian slip(?) "our consort". On the other hand he seems too clueless to have a mafia team talking to him.

I'll post more when I'm not so tired.

[Darwi]

I think Sheeana is Atlas from the death description and I doubt the revs had 2 recruits last night. She's not so confirmed that she can be lynched before speaking though.

I don't like the way the masons have been picking their targets. Recruiting claimed cits reduces the chance of the revolutionists recruiting and gives you a team member who is unlikely to die. You don't need to hide like the revolutionaries.

I half regret not voting Tylwyth yesterday. His explanations for the first two days are bullshit, he changes into a town leader overnight and he has a freudian slip(?) "our consort". On the other hand he seems too clueless to have a mafia team talking to him.

I'll post more when I'm not so tired.

On the contrary, unless Sheeana was bussed last night with someone other than me, despite me having received a bussing notification last night, (and assuming that Kynes didn't lie in his will) Sheeana is 100% confirmed to be cult, maf, or sk. All of which we need to lynch.

I do however agree that we don't want to lynch her yet. I just wanted to clarify that she is guaranteed scum.