New Random System

[Voss]

First of all, from a quick overview of the random system, it looks very nice, intuitive. Can't wait to see how this affects the balance in custom saves.

Anyway, (i hope this is the right place to post this)

-Coroner doesn't seem to have a place except if you put it in random town, or actually put it in the save.
-There is no random neutral, you have to force it with random any (exclude town, mafia)

Comments? Was this intentional?

[ALL HAIL CTHULHU]

-There is no random neutral, you have to force it with random any (exclude town, mafia)

Wat

Neuts have all the same options as random towns

[Cryptonic]

There is random neutral...

and:

Coroner ONLY spawns without janitor if the option to have him see every night action a player made is turned on.

[Chane]

he means no way to have a random neutral when you already have random neutral exclude non-killing roles.

[Cryptonic]

he means no way to have a random neutral when you already have random neutral exclude non-killing roles.

Oh, yea, that's when you put random any exclude town mafia killing. It's just the same :o

[Voss]

There is no option named random neutral, like there is with random town, random any, and random mafia.
ANNNDD
the role cards in the setup haven't been updated. Sheriffs are still called power basic.

[Voss]

Oh, yea, that's when you put random any exclude town mafia killing. It's just the same :o

but what if i want any random neutral, then a random any excluding mafia roles?

[Cryptonic]

but what if i want any random neutral, then a random any excluding mafia roles?

lol, Then you need to stop being so picky

[Chane]

btw there is a normal rand. neutral. its just like rand. town but you can't exclude power / support you mean?

[Voss]

btw there is a normal rand. neutral. its just like rand. town but you can't exclude power / support you mean?

there is no 'random neutral' role.

[Voss]

i guess it's intentional, but slightly disappointing. =(

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth.../10730-Randoms

[Cryptonic]

i guess it's intentional, but slightly disappointing. =(

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth.../10730-Randoms

Was it removed???? Weird, I can't wait to see the new saves.

[Yayap]

the role cards in the setup haven't been updated. Sheriffs are still called power basic.

This update went in this morning, it's a work in progress... please be patient as we iron out all the changes.

[SPazZTiK]

FYI, now that it's been implemented, copying this from the R&D forum since I haven't seen it anywhere else:

Neutral Benign: Jester, Executioner, Survivor, Amnesiac
Neutral Evil: Cultist, Witch, Serial Killer, Mass Murderer, Arsonist
Neutral Killing: Serial Killer, Mass Murderer, Arsonist

Random Town: (All Town - only way to random Spy or Coroner)
Town Core: Citizen, Mason, Sheriff, Doctor
Town Killing: Vigilante, Bodyguard, Veteran, Jailor
Town Investigative: Sheriff, Investigator, Lookout, Detective
Town Protective: Doctor, Escort, Bodyguard, Bus Driver
Town Power: Mayor, Jailor, Mason Leader, Veteran

Random Mafia: (All Mafia)
Mafia Killing: Godfather, Mafioso, Disguiser
Mafia Deception: Janitor, Framer, Disguiser
Mafia Support: Consigliere, Consort, Blackmailer

[Cryptonic]

FYI, now that it's been implemented, copying this from the R&D forum since I haven't seen it anywhere else:

Neutral Benign: Jester, Executioner, Survivor, Amnesiac
Neutral Evil: Cultist, Witch, Serial Killer, Mass Murderer, Arsonist
Neutral Killing: Serial Killer, Mass Murderer, Arsonist

Random Town: (All Town - only way to random Spy or Coroner)
Town Core: Citizen, Mason, Sheriff, Doctor
Town Killing: Vigilante, Bodyguard, Veteran, Jailor
Town Investigative: Sheriff, Investigator, Lookout, Detective
Town Protective: Doctor, Escort, Bodyguard, Bus Driver
Town Power: Mayor, Jailor, Mason Leader, Veteran

Random Mafia: (All Mafia)
Mafia Killing: Godfather, Mafioso, Disguiser
Mafia Deception: Janitor, Framer, Disguiser
Mafia Support: Consigliere, Consort, Blackmailer

So, MM is implemented too?

[Dark.Revenant]

No, it's pretty much as intended.

There is but one Random Any slot. And you can use it to make a Random Neutral. What I don't want is people having slots where you don't know the alignment of that slot. Having a variable number of friends or foes makes setups less balanced. None of the regular Neutral slots have ambiguous alignments: Killing, Evil, Benign. You know if they are bad or good. Random Any is the ONLY slot that has the potential for variable alignment and I'm keeping it that way.

Spy and Coroner are not in any of the random slots except Random Town. Those two roles are something you don't need multiple of in any setup so I wanted the chance of having one low. Also, they have limited use in some setups, so I'd rather have their inclusion in a setup be deliberate.

[Cryptonic]

None of the regular Neutral slots have ambiguous alignments: Killing, Evil, Benign. You know if they are bad or good.

Random Any is the ONLY slot that has the potential for variable alignment and I'm keeping it that way.

Spy and Coroner are not in any of the random slots except Random Town. Those two roles are something you don't need multiple of in any setup so I wanted the chance of having one low.

Sounds good, Boss.

[EliteMarine]

Why not keep just standard random neutral? We kept random mafia and random town, might as well keep random neutral.

[creedkingsx]

Why not keep just standard random neutral? We kept random mafia and random town, might as well keep random neutral.

Due to the limited number of spaces. Random Any is the same thing but more versatile.

[LeaD]

i believe this system will be better with more roles coming soon, with the current amount of the roles in each roster (neutrals mostly) it would seem a bit weird to not have a rand neut category, but that should prove itself once the 3 neutral categories will fill up a bit.

[Chane]

ohhh NA has a newer version I forgot...

[maccabbe]

No, it's pretty much as intended.
Spy and Coroner are not in any of the random slots except Random Town. Those two roles are something you don't need multiple of in any setup so I wanted the chance of having one low. Also, they have limited use in some setups, so I'd rather have their inclusion in a setup be deliberate.

By that logic mayor and mason leader should also not be any of the random slots except random town. Incidentally would only leave jailor and veteran in town power which are already grouped together as killing roles. Why not change town power to town special and put in mayor, mason leader, coroner, and spy?

[Mugy]

By that logic mayor and mason leader should also not be any of the random slots except random town. Incidentally would only leave jailor and veteran in town power which are already grouped together as killing roles. Why not change town power to town special and put in mayor, mason leader, coroner, and spy?

You can only have one of each in the first place, no need to put them in random town to make sure they don't appear multiple times.

[Chane]

disregard everything I said in this thread. EU has now been updated.