SK with "Kills Roleblockers - On" not killing a jailor that doesn't execute

[Tipzntrix]

Was this ever changed? I looked through the replay, and this occurred two nights in a row. I, Cade Brigade (Tipzntrix) was Jailor and Hank Hill (JooishDruid) was the SK I was jailing. I didn't execute him, but I didn't get killed in return either.

Otherwise, reporting as a bug

[Ambient]

It looks like he was also blocked by the consort and the escort. Interesting.

[Mugy]

What the hell... I think this is a bug, unless I've missed out something really obvious.
The kill Rber option was on, he didn't get roleblocked by escort or anything. The attack itself didn't happen

Edit: Owait now I see

[Ambient]

Too much blockage.

[Mugy]

So it is not intentional then...

[Elixir]

Blockception

[Dark.Revenant]

I think this is awesome enough not to fix. Seriously, a perfect roleblock plus two normal roleblocks layered on top of each other = what the fuck.

[Mugy]

I've always wondered but never experienced, what happens if two roleblockers target an sk?

[Cryptonic]

I've always wondered but never experienced, what happens if two roleblockers target an sk?

SK gets blocked, I'm pretty sure

[EliteMarine]

SK gets blocked, I'm pretty sure

That or the SK has a real fun night...

[Tipzntrix]

So if the Jailor gets blocked, the SK doesn't kill him?

EDIT: Actually day 1, neither the jailor nor the SK get blocked, unless I'm missing something. There was no "attractive person" message on either of us.

[Cryptonic]

So if the Jailor gets blocked, the SK doesn't kill him?

No, it's if the SK is blocked my multiple people.
In your case, it was Jailor, Escort, and Consort that blocked the SK.

[Damus_Graves]

Use Science and figure it out?

[Tipzntrix]

No, it's if the SK is blocked my multiple people.
In your case, it was Jailor, Escort, and Consort that blocked the SK.

I just checked day 1 and the SK didn't get any messages. Should I be looking at it from the escort and consort's point of view instead?

[Damus_Graves]

yes i think so.

[Cryptonic]

I just checked day 1 and the SK didn't get any messages. Should I be looking at it from the escort and consort's point of view instead?

Yes, the SK will not be notified of anything while in jail.
And science is not needed for this.

[EliteMarine]

So if SK gets blocked by:

Escort+Consort = no one dies?
Escort+Jailor = no one dies?
Jailor+Jailor = no one dies?
Jailor+Escort+Consort = no one dies?

So if the SK is blocked by 2 or more targets, it doesn't kill back?

[Cryptonic]

So if SK gets blocked by:

Escort+Consort = no one dies?
Escort+Jailor = no one dies?
Jailor+Jailor = no one dies?
Jailor+Escort+Consort = no one dies?

So if the SK is blocked by 2 or more targets, it doesn't kill back?

Yea, i'm fairly sure this was reported once before, and that this was the consensus reached by admin.

[Unskilled]

Well, it happened to me today. I jailed the sk and the consort blocked him the same night. Result : nobody died.

It kind of ruined the game since everyone was convinced the guy wasn't the sk and he ended up winning easily. I disagree with Dark revenant saying it shouldn't be fixed... I had a discussion on the Mafia chatroom with some experienced players, and most agreed with me.

If we have too much unknown variables it sucks, this just removes the certainty we usually have when some situations happen. The game has to have some reliable info we can use. And then, how the fuck would you be able to explain that a consort blocked him the same night to the town ? Nobody would believe you... ever. "SK kills roloblockers - ON" means he kills roleblockers, period, why should we not follow that rule DR ?

[Cryptonic]

Well, it happened to me today. I jailed the sk and the consort blocked him the same night. Result : nobody died.

It kinda ruined the game since everyone was convinced the guy wasn't the sk and he ended up winning easily. I disagree with Dark revenant saying it shouldn't be fixed... I had a discussion on the Mafia chatroom with some experienced players, and most agreed with me.

If we have too much unknown variables it sucks, this just removes the certainty we usually have when we jail a SK and he kills us. And then, how the fuck would you be able to explain that during a trial ? Nobody would believe you... ever. "SK kills roloblockers - ON" means he kills roleblockers, period, why should we not follow that rule DR ?

Say a SK kills 2 Escorts, Consort and a Jailor in 1 night.
Who would the detective follow the SK to?
and, if a lookout was at each of the 4, would they see the SK visit all 4?

[Unskilled]

Say a SK kills 2 Escorts, Consort and a Jailor in 1 night.
Who would the detective follow the SK to?
and, if a lookout was at each of the 4, would they see the SK visit all 4?

Hum. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that when someone was jailed, he was considered as idle ("did not visit anyone tonight"). The game actually considers that the role blockers went at him. So a lookout who visits a role blocker would see nothing, same for a detective who follows the SK. You would have to follow the role blocker as detective to see who was the SK. Or you would have to go to the SK as lookout to discover the roleblockers.
It's a bit complicated so I don't know if I was clear enough.

[Tipzntrix]

Say a SK kills 2 Escorts, Consort and a Jailor in 1 night.
Who would the detective follow the SK to?
and, if a lookout was at each of the 4, would they see the SK visit all 4?

I assume it's like veteran: SK doesn't visit any of them, they visit the SK just like Unskilled says.

As a side note: Don't you get notified of dousings and stuff when in jail?

[Unskilled]

We won't get any fix on this bug, seriously ?

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[creedkingsx]

We won't get any fix on this bug, seriously ?

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I wouldn't consider it a bug. The Serial Killer was double role-blocked. One being called, "the perfect roleblock." Only seems fair to stop him for choosing his kill and stop him from any kill.

[Ps2 Xtreme]

I think if I managed to have a free three-way with two attractive women the same night I was jailed I'd be content with not killing anybody.

[Cryptonic]

I think if I managed to have a free three-way with two attractive women the same night I was jailed I'd be content with not killing anybody.

lol wow, have some rep

[Tipzntrix]

Funny, but not intended really. I still think this should be changed so SK is coded like Vet, where he doesn't need to only kill 1 and just kills everyone who visits him as a roleblocker.

[EagleMan]

We won't get any fix on this bug, seriously ?

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It depends on how you view it. Is it a bug that two people attacking can override a heal?

[Mugy]

This is like an un-stoppable force vs an im-movable object

[Chane]

sk had a threesome in jail.

he was to busy to kill.

[Tipzntrix]

It depends on how you view it. Is it a bug that two people attacking can override a heal?

Is it a bug that having 2 invulnerabilities (being GF and in jail) doesn't prevent you from stopping an arsonist who ignores invulnerability?

Is it a bug that being invulnerable can stop you from being shot 9 times in one night?

Is it a bug that Veteran can kill 14 players in one night if they all visit?

It's about the wording of the role. If nothing else, the option should say "Kills if roleblocked once" or something like that to clear up the issues.

[creedkingsx]

Funny, but not intended really. I still think this should be changed so SK is coded like Vet, where he doesn't need to only kill 1 and just kills everyone who visits him as a roleblocker.

That would be OP in more sitautions more often than this specific situation actually arises.
If he gets jailed by 2 jailors, he will kill 1 of them
If he gets blocked by 2 Escorts, he will kill 1 of them
If he gets jailed and blocked by an Escort, he kills noone.
Escort's action comes before the Serial Killer in Order of Operations.
Here is how it plays out in OoO:
Jail SK preventing all night actions, and setting game up to kill Jailor by SK if Jailor doesn't Execute.
Escort blocks SK kill.
SK attempts to kill jailor that didn't execute, but was blocked instead.

[Tipzntrix]

That would be OP in more sitautions more often than this specific situation actually arises.
If he gets jailed by 2 jailors, he will kill 1 of them
If he gets blocked by 2 Escorts, he will kill 1 of them
If he gets jailed and blocked by an Escort, he kills noone.
Escort's action comes before the Serial Killer in Order of Operations.
Here is how it plays out in OoO:
Jail SK preventing all night actions, and setting game up to kill Jailor by SK if Jailor doesn't Execute.
Escort blocks SK kill.
SK attempts to kill jailor that didn't execute, but was blocked instead.

"was blocked instead"

even though he's supposed to kill roleblockers. SK isn't OP in any sense of the word and is probably the faction that loses more often than not. All the blockers gotta die.

EDIT: If the town has 2 jailors, they already have way more of an advantage then they need in most setups. Consorts/escorts are debatable, but you have to think the roleblockers know what they're getting into.

[creedkingsx]

"was blocked instead"

even though he's supposed to kill roleblockers. SK isn't OP in any sense of the word and is probably the faction that loses more often than not. All the blockers gotta die.

EDIT: If the town has 2 jailors, they already have way more of an advantage then they need in most setups. Consorts/escorts are debatable, but you have to think the roleblockers know what they're getting into.

You missed what I said. Him being jailed sets his target on the jailor indefinitely for the night. He can't kill anyone else since jailor is the first action in the Order of Operations. Escort prevents that.

[Damus_Graves]

You missed what I said. Him being jailed sets his target on the jailor indefinitely for the night. He can't kill anyone else since jailor is the first action in the Order of Operations. Escort prevents that.

This makes sense game wise.
Realism wise....
unless the jailor was expecting late night action

[Ambient]

Well, it happened to me today. I jailed the sk and the consort blocked him the same night. Result : nobody died.

It kind of ruined the game since everyone was convinced the guy wasn't the sk and he ended up winning easily. I disagree with Dark revenant saying it shouldn't be fixed... I had a discussion on the Mafia chatroom with some experienced players, and most agreed with me.

If we have too much unknown variables it sucks, this just removes the certainty we usually have when some situations happen. The game has to have some reliable info we can use. And then, how the fuck would you be able to explain that a consort blocked him the same night to the town ? Nobody would believe you... ever. "SK kills roloblockers - ON" means he kills roleblockers, period, why should we not follow that rule DR ?

You should never rely on one method to identify a players role. Always open the role list and check roles against the graveyard. Never assume anything.

[Unskilled]

You should never rely on one method to identify a players role. Always open the role list and check roles against the graveyard. Never assume anything.

Exactly, the role list didn't help in this game, and the graveyard didn't either. Another guy was claiming doctor, there was no way to know who was who. And since the jailor survived the jailing of the actual SK, we lynched the real doctor. Please open your mind and see that the game pushes the players in the wrong direction. Something is written in the setup and we have FACTS at our disposal. If we can't even rely on that, it makes no sense.

As Tipzntrix said, "It's about the wording of the role. If nothing else, the option should say "Kills if roleblocked once" or something like that to clear up the issues." I think it's really stupid not to make a slight change in the game for this, but whatever...

[Tipzntrix]