Ashfall: 1-S2-1-445768; Azura: 1-S2-1-872666

[Lysergic]

Account Name: Azura
Account ID: 1-S2-1-872666
In-Game Name: n/a

Account Name: Ashfall
Account ID: 1-S2-1-445768
In-Game Name: n/a

Crimes Committed: Point Hacking

Your Account Name: Lysergic
Summary: Screenshot is attached. Both players have 21k+ points without being on the Donor list. Replay of game is attached (also, likely lag hacking during the game, causing a mass rage quit. Dunno who was lag hacking, since the boot screen only flickered up for less than a second each time).

[Ambient]

Well. Here is my data on ashfall
May: 8.2k | 154 W | 316 total
June: 10.6k | 240 W | 439 total
July: 13.5k | 347 W | 601 total
July: 18k | 512 W | 867 total
July: 21 k | 647 W | 1090 total

Rate of gain... definitely suggests hacking.


Looking up Azura next.

[ThatAwesomeDude]

Both players have 21k+ points without being on the Donor list.

I remember there being legal issues about something similar to this with Blizzard.

And to Ambient's data, did you think about achievements, how many games can be played in one day (not the full 24 hours, I'm not an insomniac), and how many points can be earned in one game? I earned at least an average of 200 points a day without achievements by doing nothing but playing mafia for 12 hours every day.

[Raptorblaze]

I remember there being legal issues about something similar to this with Blizzard.

And to Ambient's data, did you think about achievements, how many games can be played in one day (not the full 24 hours, I'm not an insomniac), and how many points can be earned in one game? I earned at least an average of 200 points a day without achievements by doing nothing but playing mafia for 12 hours every day.

Just based on the rate at which his wins accumulated, he gain 300 wins in less than a month's time, now assuming a typical mafia game of 30 minutes that would mean he spent 9000 minutes, or
150 hours just WINNING games. If I assume this is over the course of 28 days (which it was definitely less than) he would have had to spend approximately 5 1/2 hours per day just on games he was winning. Points be damned, his win rate alone is extremely unlikely.


Edit: This is about ashfall's

[ThatAwesomeDude]

Just based on the rate at which his wins accumulated, he gain 300 wins in less than a month's time, now assuming a typical mafia game of 30 minutes that would mean he spent 9000 minutes, or
150 hours just WINNING games. If I assume this is over the course of 28 days (which it was definitely less than) he would have had to spend approximately 5 1/2 hours per day just on games he was winning. Points be damned, his win rate alone is extremely unlikely.


Edit: This is about ashfall's

You are suggesting I am bad at Mafia, and that I am incapable of having a win rate of 59%. I have said in a different post that I have lost 5,000 points due to a HD wipe. I should have around 27,400 points right now. Do you think a person who has earned that many points would not be capable of a win rate of 59%? I have heard that somebody else has one of 60% or higher.

[Auckmid]

You are suggesting I am bad at Mafia, and that I am incapable of having a win rate of 59%. I have said in a different post that I have lost 5,000 points due to a HD wipe. I should have around 27,400 points right now. Do you think a person who has earned that many points would not be capable of a win rate of 59%? I have heard that somebody else has one of 60% or higher.

Lets assume that Ashfall has a win rate of 50%(Actualy farily high). He would still have to play around 10 hours of mafia everyday for a month. Sound reaslistic?

[Xen]

Well. Here is my data on ashfall
May: 8.2k | 154 W | 316 total
June: 10.6k | 240 W | 439 total
July: 13.5k | 347 W | 601 total
July: 18k | 512 W | 867 total
July: 21 k | 647 W | 1090 total

Rate of gain... definitely suggests hacking.


Looking up Azura next.

Just based on the rate at which his wins accumulated, he gain 300 wins in less than a month's time, now assuming a typical mafia game of 30 minutes that would mean he spent 9000 minutes, or
150 hours just WINNING games. If I assume this is over the course of 28 days (which it was definitely less than) he would have had to spend approximately 5 1/2 hours per day just on games he was winning. Points be damned, his win rate alone is extremely unlikely.


Edit: This is about ashfall's

"Rate of gain... definitely suggests hacking."...
"his win rate alone is extremely unlikely."

Is this seriously a joke? Is he being trolled by failing mods again?

This man is an entirely legitimate player.

And my win rate is easily higher than this. Mafia players are sheep. Sheep are easy to shepherd. ashfall plays like a shepherd.

[Raptorblaze]

You are suggesting I am bad at Mafia, and that I am incapable of having a win rate of 59%. I have said in a different post that I have lost 5,000 points due to a HD wipe. I should have around 27,400 points right now. Do you think a person who has earned that many points would not be capable of a win rate of 59%? I have heard that somebody else has one of 60% or higher.

I'm not talking about win rate as a percentage of games played, I'm talking about win rate as wins per day. Just totally ignoring games played and point gains, it's nigh impossible how fast he gained wins in July. Note, I'm assuming 28 days, in reality it's closer to 20 days because of the dates when the replays were from. This calculates out to 7.5 hours per day, even if he had a 75% win rate that would still require him to be playing 10 hours per day, assuming a more reasonable rate of 50% would be 15 hours per day. At that level of wins per day the only realistic explanations are a party throwing the game for him every time for hundreds of games, or modification of the bank file. Given that no one has reported him for suspicious activity I doubt any party cheating happened.

[Bruno]

"Rate of gain... definitely suggests hacking."...
"his win rate alone is extremely unlikely."

Is this seriously a joke? Is he being trolled by failing mods again?

This man is an entirely legitimate player.

And my win rate is easily higher than this. Mafia players are sheep. Sheep are easy to shepherd. ashfall plays like a shepherd.

Raptorblaze isn't a failing mod. You're incorrect and misinformed.

[Raptorblaze]

Raptorblaze isn't a failing mod. You're incorrect and misinformed.

He's just trolling me, hence why I ignored the post. Xen does that.

[McKinley]

You have to take in the account of a job, studies if college, eating, sleeping, social life, chores if he's a teenager/young adult with parents, personal hygine, and all that. In the span of during half a day, constantly playing Mafia, these factors would come into play dramatically. Espescially if you freaking work, man. Pretty much every job I know of has you working at least six hours a day.

There's just no way this could be done for an entire month. Something would come up IRL causing you to step away from the computer. Seriously, too much defense against this type of claim. I'm not trying to say you're life-less, no far from it. I'm saying you got caught.

[ThatAwesomeDude]

I have nothing to do over the summer. I am lifeless, I am not offended by that term.

[Nick]

WIN|LOSE POINTS GAIN

Well. Here is my data on ashfall
May: 8.2k | 154 W | 316 total
June: 10.6k | 240 W | 439 total86|76 2.4k
July: 13.5k | 347 W | 601 total107|55 2.9k
July: 18k | 512 W | 867 total 165|101 5.5k
July: 21 k | 647 W | 1090 total 135|88 3k

If lenient estimation 20 per win, 10 per loss...
1720+760 = 2.5k
2140+550 = 2.7k
3300+1010 = 4.3k
2700+880 = 3.6k

Incomplete info here.
https://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/...shfall/matches

Best is still using SC2 itself. And go through ALL the history. Easy because we can see number of wins, loss and left. For 3rd of August, the trend looked similar, ~50% win rate excluding games left.

[Cryptonic]

Also, remember achievements. He had all of them, so add up those points.

[Nick]

Lets assume that Ashfall has a win rate of 50%(Actualy farily high)

Sorry to say. But this statement is crap. 50% is THE AVERAGE win rate. Good players should get HIGHER than 50%. Anything below and you're a LIABILITY to the team.

Ambients' record is for game finished (win/lose) and does not include left.

I'm not talking about win rate as a percentage of games played, I'm talking about win rate as wins per day.

Evidence is in game history. Statement can be easily proved or disproved.

[ThatAwesomeDude]

Well. Here is my data on ashfall
May: 8.2k | 154 W | 316 total
June: 10.6k | 240 W | 439 total
July: 13.5k | 347 W | 601 total
July: 18k | 512 W | 867 total
July: 21 k | 647 W | 1090 total

Rate of gain... definitely suggests hacking.


Looking up Azura next.

I realize now that your data is incorrect. Starting on June 20 I kept my own data to calculate the average amount of points I was earning per day so I could know when I'd be getting role prefer. I wrote down the number of points I had at the end of each day. Some days I got lucky and won a lot more than usual, and I earned a few of the low-point achievements on a few of the days.
June 20 - 12,500 (I don't know if this is the exact amount or if I forgot to write my points down for that day and decided to write this down, I hit exactly 22,000 points a few days ago so this could be the exact amount)
June 22 - 12758 (I don't have "June 21" written down for some reason)
June 23 - 13,104
June 24 - 13,209
June 25 - 13,304
June 26 - 13,480
June 27 - 13,807
June 28 - 15,001 (I earned exactly 1,000 from achievements that day, the replay for each achievement can be found here (the replays have "MAG" in their names, standing for Mafia Achievement Group): https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...h-ashfall-s-RQ)
June 29 - 15,210
June 30 - 15,506
July 1 - 16,024
July 2 - 16,240
July 3 - 16,551
July 4 - 17033 (July 6 and 7 aren't the exact amounts I had, I used my daily point goal (200) to determine at least how many points I would have on the upcoming days and I forgot to change them to the amount of points I really had on those days. Also I made a mistake writing "17,633" and "17,833", both should be 200 less but I'm keeping it the same. I don't have July 8 written down.)
July 5 - 17,200
July 6 - 17,633
July 7 - 17,833
July 9 - 18,060
July 10 - 18,327
July 11 - 18,585
July 12 - 18,827
July 13 - 19,123
July 14 - 19,462
July 15 - 19,804 (I don't have July 16 written down or anything past that since I had gotten role prefer and didn't really care much about getting the last model (though I planned to start playing roulette after I got the last model))

I would like to know where your data came from.

[Ambient]

I would like to know where your data came from.

Reports replays.

[Fatalis]

I realize now that your data is incorrect. Starting on June 20 I kept my own data to calculate the average amount of points I was earning per day so I could know when I'd be getting role prefer. I wrote down the number of points I had at the end of each day. Some days I got lucky and won a lot more than usual, and I earned a few of the low-point achievements on a few of the days.
June 20 - 12,500 (I don't know if this is the exact amount or if I forgot to write my points down for that day and decided to write this down, I hit exactly 22,000 points a few days ago so this could be the exact amount)
June 22 - 12758 (I don't have "June 21" written down for some reason)
June 23 - 13,104
June 24 - 13,209
June 25 - 13,304
June 26 - 13,480
June 27 - 13,807
June 28 - 15,001 (I earned exactly 1,000 from achievements that day, the replay for each achievement can be found here (the replays have "MAG" in their names, standing for Mafia Achievement Group): https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...h-ashfall-s-RQ)
June 29 - 15,210
June 30 - 15,506
July 1 - 16,024
July 2 - 16,240
July 3 - 16,551
July 4 - 17033 (July 6 and 7 might not be correct as I used my daily point goal (200) to determine at least how many points I would have on the upcoming days and I may have forgotten to change them to the amount of points I really had on those days. I don't have July 8 written down)
July 5 - 17,200
July 6 - 17,633
July 7 - 17,833
July 9 - 18,060
July 10 - 18,327
July 11 - 18,585
July 12 - 18,827
July 13 - 19,123
July 14 - 19,462
July 15 - 19,804 (I don't have July 16 written down or anything past that since I had gotten role prefer and didn't really care much about getting the last model (though I planned to start playing roulette after I got the last model))

I would like to know where your data came from.

It doesn't really seem like he's hacking.. if you can provide the replays every now and then maybe they can remove the ban

[Nick]

It doesn't really seem like he's hacking.. if you can provide the replays every now and then maybe they can remove the ban

I don't think replays will help. Because the current accusations are:

1) Ambient: Rate of point gain too high for games played (win and loss)

2) RaptorBlaze: Too many games played to be possible

3) Auckmid: Win percentage too high.

To solve 1), we can calculate the expected points from Ambients data, but achievements can inflate your points, so knowing when/what achievements you get helps. To solve 2), they can easily check your game history, which should go back for a least a month. They can count win, loss and left game to see if it tallies. 3) can also be checked from game history.

As for hacking achievements, it can only be disproved with replays. By currently I don't think you are accused of that.