You're bad at what you do. Here's a suggestion...

[Xen]

SC2 Mafia is more of a mess than it's ever been.

Mods: it is your fault.

There are no consequences anymore and everyone knows this, even random pubs.

Players have been on watch, kv, and ban lists for months.

Blame 1.5 all you want, but the fact is: there is no 1.5. Can't blame what doesn't exist.

-lw failsc2mafia

If the "script" really is "full", delete shit, so this game can be managed once again. I've played games lately where almost the entire game is is just cheating and gamethrowing and typing about how it doesn't matter and nothing is going to happen. They're right too. I could report all the games I recorded. Nothing will happen.

-suggestion forget 1.5, go back to how things were by giving players a point to report people for legitimately ruining games

[cookies4you]

You can't delete things in Mafia without severe issues. For example, just removing a single role would break the interactions between that role and everything else.

Basically, it's a lot easier to put things in than it is to take it out.

[Damus_Graves]

Im surprised your not a red.card

[Xen]

You can't delete things in Mafia without severe issues. For example, just removing a single role would break the interactions between that role and everything else.

Basically, it's a lot easier to put things in than it is to take it out.

This game worked for a year with moderation.

End of argument. There is no argument. So, no end to any argument, because there is no argument, because an argument doesn't exist.

1.5 will not come out for at least a year. So is the plan: just keep waiting?

[cookies4you]

Im surprised your not a red.card

He hasn't done anything wrong yet, hence why he isn't a red card.

Emphasis on the yet.

[Lysergic]

Mods can't do anything when it comes to changing the map. We've beefed up in-game presence, but we can't be on all the time. There are consequences, though; when 1.5 goes live, those people who have multiple reports against them now will still be punished.

[RookRanger]

I support dammus
*RR punts a troll into next week*
god dam it that potion

[Lysergic]

1.5 will not come out for at least a year. So is the plan: just keep waiting?

I'm curious to know where you read this, because everything I've seen makes me think it will go live very shortly. Considering that 1.5 is priming the game for HotS and that is complete and pending release... seems like it'll be soon.

[RookRanger]

the fact is patch 1.5 will go live head vigilante forsees it

[Cryptonic]

OMG

Neither boring NOR a Keeper.

Is that why you joined sfm?

[cookies4you]

Mods can't do anything when it comes to changing the map. We've beefed up in-game presence, but we can't be on all the time. There are consequences, though; when 1.5 goes live, those people who have multiple reports against them now will still be punished.

Oh, since you're here, can you do me a favor?

Can I get my status bumped up to VIP? I seem to have missed the original wave of account upgrades. I'd like to see the R&D Department.

[Damus_Graves]

You kno you love me rr

[Xen]

Mods can't do anything when it comes to changing the map. We've beefed up in-game presence, but we can't be on all the time. There are consequences, though; when 1.5 goes live, those people who have multiple reports against them now will still be punished.

"can't do anything when it comes to changing the map"

Yet, the game was moderated before. There was a point in which everything applied to the game currently has applied to the game before while still being able to moderate cheating using watch, kv, and ban and keeping up with it. Nothing about the game itself has changed in the least from earlier this year to this day. It plays the same, everything is the same, yet, the game can't be moderated now while it was able to be then. So, whatever has been "added" to the point of "it's full", needs to be un-added for the sake of moderating. Things were fine earlier this year and last year.

"in-game presence"

Seriously? That's a rhetorical question.

"when 1.5 does live"

...

It's not going live. This is a Blizzard game and Activision merging sure hasn't sped up the rate in which the company does things.

Anyone know how long it took to get patch 1.08 after 1.07 on Starcraft: Brood War? Almost 2 years. That was the BW patch that added replays that changed everything.

There will be no 1.5 this year.

[Lysergic]

Oh, since you're here, can you do me a favor?

Can I get my status bumped up to VIP? I seem to have missed the original wave of account upgrades. I'd like to see the R&D Department.

I'll talk to someone about it. I can't bump your account since I don't have admin CP.

[Xen]

Also, as for HOTS... expect a few years and don't be surprised. This is Blizzard. I've kept up with this company for over 15 years. They are slow--it's why they (typically) do a good job. No reason to cease progress until they update though. That will be a long hiatus of chaos.

[cookies4you]

"can't do anything when it comes to changing the map"

Yet, the game was moderated before. There was a point in which everything applied to the game currently has applied to the game before while still being able to moderate cheating using watch, kv, and ban and keeping up with it. Nothing about the game itself has changed in the least from earlier this year to this day. It plays the same, everything is the same, yet, the game can't be moderated now while it was able to be then. So, whatever has been "added" to the point of "it's full", needs to be un-added for the sake of moderating. Things were fine earlier this year and last year.

"in-game presence"

Seriously? That's a rhetorical question.

"when 1.5 does live"

...

It's not going live. This is a Blizzard game and Activision merging sure hasn't sped up the rate in which the company does things.

Anyone know how long it took to get patch 1.08 after 1.07 on Starcraft: Brood War? Almost 2 years. That was the BW patch that added replays that changed everything.

There will be no 1.5 this year.

Dark modifies the Map itself in order to add bans, I believe. I'm sure there was an update when I volunteered for the kick-list in order to test a theory.

The moderators can only kick and silence players, not ban them completely.

[Xen]

Dark modifies the Map itself in order to add bans, I believe. I'm sure there was an update when I volunteered for the kick-list in order to test a theory.

The moderators can only kick and silence players, not ban them completely.

You believe wrong. I've had numerous PM correspondences with him this year. He claims nothing can be modified anymore and that the "script is full". If this is the case, mods should talk to him about this and have something done, or the "script" will be "full" for much longer.

I'm not talking about in-game moderation. I'm talking about the only moderation that means anything: watch, kv, and ban.

[Lysergic]

"can't do anything when it comes to changing the map"

Yet, the game was moderated before. There was a point in which everything applied to the game currently has applied to the game before while still being able to moderate cheating using watch, kv, and ban and keeping up with it.

The game is still moderated by in-game mods. However, mods cannot add or remove people from KV because we cannot edit the map. Only DR can edit the map, and thus only DR can add or remove people from Watch, KV, and ban lists.

Nothing about the game itself has changed in the least from earlier this year to this day. It plays the same, everything is the same, yet, the game can't be moderated now while it was able to be then. So, whatever has been "added" to the point of "it's full", needs to be un-added for the sake of moderating. Things were fine earlier this year and last year.

There have been bug fixes, people being added to Watch, KV, and banlists, etc. Those things take up space in the map, even though the users never "see" that the map has changed.

"in-game presence"

Seriously? That's a rhetorical question.

In-game as in moderators with kick powers playing games and warning / kicking people when they game throw or cheat. That's about all we can do to control the problem until the lists start getting updated again.

It's not going live. This is a Blizzard game and Activision merging sure hasn't sped up the rate in which the company does things.

Anyone know how long it took to get patch 1.08 after 1.07 on Starcraft: Brood War? Almost 2 years. That was the BW patch that added replays that changed everything.

There will be no 1.5 this year.

You can't say that with certainty because you don't know when HotS is getting released (none of us do). Patch 1.5 will go live BEFORE HotS. Also, the arcade version of 1.5 is already out; they're just bug fixing right now. Once that is complete, it will be released. Until then, there is literally nothing we can do about updating the lists (and we're not the people to ask in the first place - it's an issue that only DR can handle).

Also, as for HOTS... expect a few years and don't be surprised. This is Blizzard. I've kept up with this company for over 15 years. They are slow--it's why they do a good job. No reason to cease progress until they update though. That will be a long hiatus of chaos.

Again, it isn't that updates have stopped because the staff doesn't care. It's literally that the game cannot be updated until 1.5 is released.

[Damus_Graves]

this topic is at least interesting to read

[Duzero]

Xen, your posts don't match your avatar and sig...

[Xen]

The game is still moderated by in-game mods. However, mods cannot add or remove people from KV because we cannot edit the map. Only DR can edit the map, and thus only DR can add or remove people from Watch, KV, and ban lists.

This is my point. Whatever is preventing DR from editing the map needs to be reverted back to the point he can't edit the map.

That's all this is about. Right now and for a long time from now, if DR cannot "edit the map", things will be like this for a long time and this game will die.

Also, the idea of "punishing" someone for something they did far in the past is... do I even have to continue? Does that not sound completely fucking retarded? Especially when referring to a video game.

The scenarios will be:

Mod: "You [cheated in whatever way] 9 months ago in this game. You're being punished now."

Players: [offline for past 3 months]

Seriously, think about this. The idea of "punishing" and stacking punishments this way is retarded. People usually move on from one game to the next in months. It's only ever the loyal lovers who stick around and the vast majority of Mafia players are not loyal lovers of the game.

[Xen]

Xen, your posts don't match your avatar and sig...

No shit. I'm not playing Mafia right now and I hardly play anymore. The game is boring and ruined. Even in my downtime alone, before going to bed or something, I don't play anymore unless I catch a bunch of veteran players online together and form a big party or two for majority in-houses.

I'm bringing this up out of care for the game. None of this really applies to me much anymore since I don't play. I have an account on KV, but I'll always have additional accounts. I can go all Masters top 8 and sell 1 for 2 within a couple weeks like I've done twice before.

I still do miss it though--like how it used to be.

[Xen]

The fact is:

If you're waiting til 1.5 to do anything, it will be a LONG wait and the game will continue to suffer the entire time.

1.5 is not happening in 2012. Anyone want to make a bet on it? $100 Paypal.

[Damus_Graves]

You kinda sound mad. so your sig is false

[Xen]

You kinda sound mad. so your sig is false

Can you just go away? Go play with your penis, something, anything, really. You hear nothing when reading words. Reading anything I type makes no sound to you. There is no sound to sound "mad". If I were mad, I'd be working out or fucking my girlfriend or jacking off if she wasn't around, not typing on www.sc2mafia.com/forum.

[RookRanger]

that was some blunt wise words

[RookRanger]

the thing i lol is you fuck your gf when your mad thats very wierd

[cookies4you]

Can you just go away? Go play with your penis, something, anything, really. You hear nothing when reading words. Reading anything I type makes no sound to you. There is no sound to sound "mad". If I were mad, I'd be working out or fucking my girlfriend or jacking off if she wasn't around, not typing on www.sc2mafia.com/forum.

Red card in 3... 2.... 1.....

[RookRanger]

KABOOM

[Xen]

the thing i lol is you fuck your gf when your mad thats very wierd

And another one...

Red card in 3... 2.... 1.....

And another!



You're all going to live forever under your bridges if I keep feeding you. Is it really fun to "troll" when not playing a game--when there is no objective to win? Are your self-esteems that low? Is it that bad? Is "troll" a disease? Like "trollio" or "trollidis" or "bi-trollar"? Do I have "trollanoia"? Or are "trolls" just attracted to me?

Lysergic, get back here! Or better yet, stay out of here and talk to DR and the mods and do something about pre-1.5!

I'm done on here for awhile. I had a couple hours to kill before the rest of my day starts. Maybe I'll be back in a few days or sooner again.

[RookRanger]

LOL IM A VIGILANTE I ONLY SAW WHAT YOU SAID AND PUT IN A SENTENCE

[RookRanger]

In case you forgot or fell off I'm still hot - knock
your shell off
My money stack fat plus I can't turn the swell off
The franchise, doin' big bid'ness, I live this
It's automatic I win this - oh you hear those horns,
you finished
A soldier, and I stay under you fightin'
Plus I'm stormin' on you chumps like I'm thunder and
lightning
Ain't no way you breakin' me kid, I'm harder than nails
Plus I keep it on lock, like I'm part of the jail
I'm slaughtering stale, competition, I got the whole
block wishing
they could run with my division but they gone fishing -
- with no bait, kid your boy hold weight
I got my soul straight, I brush your mouth like Colgate
In any weather I'm never better your boy's so hot
you'll never catch me in the next man's sweater
If they hate, let 'em hate, I drop ya whole clan
Lay yo' ass down for the three seconds tan


So yeah pls xen shut up

[Lysergic]

Sorry; I'm at work, and I had to do something for my boss, and then get lunch two hours late.

This is my point. Whatever is preventing DR from editing the map needs to be reverted back to the point he can't edit the map.

That means losing all the work he's done on implementing the new roles for when 1.5 DOES go live (not to mention bug fixes and other issues).

Right now and for a long time from now, if DR cannot "edit the map", things will be like this for a long time and this game will die.

I doubt it will die. As far as this "rampant" problem goes, we've been receiving about the normal number of reports. Whether or not the amount of game throwing has increased, the problem will be dealt with soon.

Also, the idea of "punishing" someone for something they did far in the past is... do I even have to continue?

There's no statute of limitations on certain crimes in real life; the same is true in Mafia. I said multiple violators. As in, we'll be lenient on people who don't have a history of game throwing or who haven't been reported since, but the people who are doing it constantly (e.g. people who are abusing the fact that the map can't be updated to cheat) will see serious repercussions. That seems fair to me.

Mod: "You [cheated in whatever way] 9 months ago in this game. You're being punished now."

Players: [offline for past 3 months]

That's exactly what won't happen. It'll be more like:

Mod: "You [cheated in whatever way] 7 times over the past month, the last time being a week ago. You're being punished now."

Seriously, think about this. The idea of "punishing" and stacking punishments this way is retarded.

That's kind of how it works in the real world. The judiciary seems like a good basis for a fair way to enforce the rules.

People usually move on from one game to the next in months. It's only ever the loyal lovers who stick around and the vast majority of Mafia players are not loyal lovers of the game.

Is Archangel a loyal lover, because he's been ruining games for as long as I can remember. Same goes for all the serial trolls / throwers. There are a good number of them.

[AppleyNO]

Xen...
I was going to make a long post about how stupid you were, about how the Mods have been better than ever, and about how you are ridiculous.

Then I realized, you have to be trolling us... its the only way.....
Because no one with the low, low intelligence level that you are displaying, could use a computer.

Lysergic, I wouldn't worry about this guy, you have proven enough.

[cookies4you]

Xen, we know you're angry, but this a problem that we can't fix.

All in all, we'll just have to wait for patch 1.5. Once it's released, everything you're mad about will be fixed.

[Lysergic]

Xen...
I was going to make a long post about how stupid you were, about how the Mods have been better than ever, and about how you are ridiculous.

Then I realized, you have to be trolling us... its the only way.....
Because no one with the low, low intelligence level that you are displaying, could use a computer.

Lysergic, I wouldn't worry about this guy, you have proven enough.

Guys, let's not let this turn into a flame war. Xen is addressing a valid concern, and I can see how the lack of updates would be concerning from a user perspective. These are all points that are worth discussing, even if we don't necessarily agree with the way he sees it.

[Xen]

Sorry; I'm at work, and I had to do something for my boss, and then get lunch two hours late.



That means losing all the work he's done on implementing the new roles for when 1.5 DOES go live (not to mention bug fixes and other issues).



I doubt it will die. As far as this "rampant" problem goes, we've been receiving about the normal number of reports. Whether or not the amount of game throwing has increased, the problem will be dealt with soon.



There's no statute of limitations on certain crimes in real life; the same is true in Mafia. I said multiple violators. As in, we'll be lenient on people who don't have a history of game throwing or who haven't been reported since, but the people who are doing it constantly (e.g. people who are abusing the fact that the map can't be updated to cheat) will see serious repercussions. That seems fair to me.



That's exactly what won't happen. It'll be more like:

Mod: "You [cheated in whatever way] 7 times over the past month, the last time being a week ago. You're being punished now."



That's kind of how it works in the real world. The judiciary seems like a good basis for a fair way to enforce the rules.



Is Archangel a loyal lover, because he's been ruining games for as long as I can remember. Same goes for all the serial trolls / throwers. There are a good number of them.

This isn't real life, Lysergic. This is a game people play for joy. There are no "trolls" in real-life when there are real punishments, because people are afraid. I'm not looking for analogies or relativity, I'm telling the truth when I say:

1.5 is not happening this year.

Therefore, removing things (or saving a template of the updates and putting it later when 1.5 finally does release or something, there is always a plan B) for the sake of making this game worth playing competitively again makes sense.

And listen to what I'm saying.

This game is ruined. So many cheat. It's stupid. The loyal players and the newbies and the blatant cheaters. But there are degrees of "cheating". Some things make more sense to me when dealing with playing in this sort of environment. The sad part is, the only ones who will be affected by reports will be the loyal lovers, because they'll still be around. You completely missed the point of the scenario:

---
Mod: "You [cheated in whatever way] 9 months ago in this game. You're being punished now."

Players: [offline for past 3 months]"
---

What I'm saying here is the player will be gone. He will no longer be playing SC2 Mafia. Therefore, big deal to him if he's on kv or ban. HE NO LONGER PLAYS THE GAME, hence, [offline for past 3 months]--edit:--[and for the rest of his life except maybe one day a month here and there]

The players getting punished will be those who love playing the game and seek to play in purer waters.

I'll be honest, it's growing on me to just cheat to shit. Form a party and have everyone say their roles and play us vs. all the game-ruining pub. It's gotten that bad.

And I really like flying solo and finding my allies in the game, like how it's supposed to be. I love playing Mafia legitimately--it's quite a mindfuck of an entertaining experience. But Mafia full of veteran players is totally different from Mafia full of pubs and typical cheaters with no passion or consistency for playing the game.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? I'm trying to be realistic. Not trying to start up an argument (especially not with these idiots trying to give me trollio), I'm making a sincere suggestion here. I have no say to DR or any mods. You're all your own little 'band of brothers'. I'm just a player with a big following and reputation for activity. But I'm far less active now. I get on my other "Xen" account here and here and play for a couples hours tops if 10+ veteran players on my friends list are online and ready to go. But other than that, I have no more interest in joining pubs by myself. It's a completely different game.

Ever play ping-pong? There's a huge difference between playing with wooden paddles and rubber paddles. It's kind of like that. After learning rubber paddles (veteran Mafia), wooden paddles (public) just isn't the same.

And I actually feel for Archangel (at least I used to), because he's just a kid. A teenager, a child. Get a grip, video games is his escape and he likes playing and he's actually a good Mafia player when playing a legitimate game and not cheating. Many kids play this game. They keep it active and you should view their activity as an opportunity to impart the joy and wisdom of the game, not to punish them for lack of integrity, they're fucking children for god's sake. I'm 27. If I was a serial cheater, I should be permabanned. Archangel is almost half my age and he's been banned repeatedly. Perhaps, he's grown up a little and learned his lesson? OR: he NO LONGER PLAYS ANYMORE, because Diablo 3 came out, hence, exactly what I was saying earlier about delayed and stacked punishments.

Do not compare this to the real world. I could compare so many other things about Mafia and this situation in general like you're trying to do and point out how much of it applies in no way at all to the real world and the cases which do are great reasons for real world problems. Depending where you live on Earth, the "real world" is VERY different from each other. Live in America, now live in Spain, now live in Australia, now live in Africa, now live in North Korea. Which one is the "real world"? Which "real world" are you comparing the "world of SC2 Mafia" to? Get real and listen to what I'm trying to say instead of try and defend against every line I type as if I'm trying to make a debate here. I'm not. I'm saying this one thing:

1.5 is not coming out this year. Do something now to keep the game stable and moderated or let things get worse and worse, leading to more great players quitting. How long do one have to wait until realizing this? It's been half a year already. How long? A full year? Two years? It's possible: two years. Put nothing by Blizzard in terms of time frames. What you're saying about 1.5 in relation to HOTS has happened time and time again in other Blizzard games with delays over a year.

[Xen]

I can't stay here, man. I gotta go now; shit to do. I'll respond later tonight or something if you put something up. Take care.

[Damus_Graves]

Honestly, it's somewhat of a good thing that 1.5 isn't coming out soon (if Xen is correct) because i would like to have some more role suggestions come out and discuss them fullly to be sure of the implemention decisions. So that we have good fun roles instead of half thought out and buggy ones.

[Xen]

P.S. I forwarded this thread to DR.

[AppleyNO]

Xen, Lysergic just told you about punish... ah fuck it..

[Damus_Graves]

Xen, Lysergic just tole you about punish... ah fuck it..

You get points for trying

[creedkingsx]

Xen, there is literally no space. DR has already taken out everything he possible could, like tutorial and Watch-List, entirely; in order to free up script space in the past. I literally don't know what you expect anyone to do without breaking the whole map because the script was breached.

[Lysergic]

This isn't real life, Lysergic. This is a game people play for joy. There are no "trolls" in real-life when there are real punishments, because people are afraid.

12 dead people in Colorado might disagree about there not being trolls in real life, and those "trolls" certainly aren't afraid. But fine; I will avoid analogies and deal with what you're directly talking about.

I'm not looking for analogies or relativity, I'm telling the truth when I say:

1.5 is not happening this year.

I have yet to see any proof that this is true. The 1.5 beta has already been released.

Therefore, removing things (or saving a template of the updates and putting it later when 1.5 finally does release or something, there is always a plan B) for the sake of making this game worth playing competitively again makes sense.

If there isn't an older version saved already, then that's not really an option. As for deleting things, DR doesn't want to undo HOURS of work on the next version of the game. Plus, deleting things would mean deleting ROLES and MECHANICS that would cause the map to drop further in popularity. There is literally nothing left to remove aside from the Watch, KV, and Banlists (which need to get bigger, not shorter) and the actual roles currently implemented. The tutorial is already gone, if I'm not mistaken - removing it allowed DR to continue updating the lists for an extra few months.

This game is ruined. So many cheat. It's stupid. The loyal players and the newbies and the blatant cheaters. But there are degrees of "cheating". Some things make more sense to me when dealing with playing in this sort of environment. The sad part is, the only ones who will be affected by reports will be the loyal lovers, because they'll still be around. You completely missed the point of the scenario:

---
Mod: "You [cheated in whatever way] 9 months ago in this game. You're being punished now."

Players: [offline for past 3 months]"
---

What I'm saying here is the player will be gone. He will no longer be playing SC2 Mafia. Therefore, big deal to him if he's on kv or ban. HE NO LONGER PLAYS THE GAME, hence, [offline for past 3 months]--edit:--[and for the rest of his life except maybe one day a month here and there]

"Loyal lovers of the game" =/= cheaters. Those things are incompatible. The chronic cheaters will get punished one way or another. That's how we're doing it. Otherwise, we should just start deleting reports now.

The players getting punished will be those who love playing the game and seek to play in purer waters.

No, the players getting punished will be repeat offending cheaters.

I'll be honest, it's growing on me to just cheat to shit. Form a party and have everyone say their roles and play us vs. all the game-ruining pub. It's gotten that bad.

And if you do that and get reported a few times, you'll face KV or ban when the map is updated. So it's still not a good idea. That's the only deterrent we have right now.

And I really like flying solo and finding my allies in the game, like how it's supposed to be. I love playing Mafia legitimately--it's quite a mindfuck of an entertaining experience. But Mafia full of veteran players is totally different from Mafia full of pubs and typical cheaters with no passion or consistency for playing the game.

Dude, trust me - I understand that. I hate being in a game with throwers when I can't do anything about it. Hell, the reason I don't have in-game mod powers is because the script limit has been reached and DR can't give them to me. But again, there's really nothing we can do except continue processing reports and fixing the problem when it's actually fixable.

Do you see where I'm coming from here? I'm trying to be realistic. Not trying to start up an argument (especially not with these idiots trying to give me trollio), I'm making a sincere suggestion here. I have no say to DR or any mods. You're all your own little 'band of brothers'. I'm just a player with a big following and reputation for activity. But I'm far less active now. I get on my other "Xen" account here and here and play for a couples hours tops if 10+ veteran players on my friends list are online and ready to go. But other than that, I have no more interest in joining pubs by myself. It's a completely different game.

Ever play ping-pong? There's a huge difference between playing with wooden paddles and rubber paddles. It's kind of like that. After learning rubber paddles (veteran Mafia), wooden paddles (public) just isn't the same.

I totally see where you are coming from. I really wish there was something I could do right now to address the issue. But there is literally nothing. Trust me, staff has been over this again and again. It's frustrating waiting on Blizzard for 1.5, but we don't really have any choice in the matter.

That's the part of the post I'm going to directly reply to. I read the rest of it, but my response would be the same as what I have already said. Please believe me when I say that we're working to fix these issues, but our hands are pretty tied.

[Lysergic]

Honestly, it's somewhat of a good thing that 1.5 isn't coming out soon (if Xen is correct) because i would like to have some more role suggestions come out and discuss them fullly to be sure of the implemention decisions. So that we have good fun roles instead of half thought out and buggy ones.

Trust me, there will be plenty of time! 1.5 means that we can update again, but new roles will take a little while. The lists will be updated pretty quickly when 1.5 is out - the rest of it will come in the following weeks and months. Plus, 1.5 means regular updates again, so we can have multiple rounds of new roles.

[Burnteskimo IIl.]

Will I be unbanned in 1.5, lysergic?

[Lysergic]

Will I be unbanned in 1.5, lysergic?

Ask DR. Or, better yet, Ambient.

[creedkingsx]

Will I be unbanned in 1.5, lysergic?

probably. But next report would be insta ban list if legit.

[Xen]

Lysergic, if I were doing what you were doing right now. I could destroy your logic. I've been humble here and trying to take the fact that I'm typing on a site for a video game seriously by bringing up a legitimate concern for the game, yet, obviously, you're trying to make this an ego battle and fight me as if I care to 'keyboard battle' you.

So, I have no room here. I think it's funny you basically just called Archangel and all "trolls" (wtf does this word even mean? is there a universal understanding for its definition?) a random lost-hope killer. You take a young man from "current events" who could've been a brain surgeon, yet, somehow lost all hope in the sanctity of life, who decided to do what many in history have before and kill random people for no meaningful reason (such as: defending someone else's life and dying in the process, etc.), and you make try to make an analogy.

I can't respond to anything you say now, because my point is being so lost here. You sound like a moronic politician now. Obviously, I should've just asked DR directly, but I already know what he's said. So, obviously: ALL HOPE IS LOST! LET'S WALK INTO THE MOVIE THEATER FOR THE OPENING OF THE END OF SC2 MAFIA AND SHOOT OUR SUPER SOAKERS AT THE MOVIE SCREEN!

Obviously, my point is soaring above heads.

For the record, there is always something that can be done. If this game functioned with watch, kv, and ban moderation earlier this year, it can function now. Nothing has been added since then.

I absolutely have to leave the house now. I just put off a stop to reply to you and I've realized the "trolls" are right... I am an idiot. I never should've replied here thinking there was any hope in someone trying to fix this problem.

[cookies4you]

probably. But next report would be insta ban list if legit.

Inb4 staged by tr-

Oh er-...

Maybe if you behave?