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[QUOTE]But now it has become clear how the Nazi regime dehumanised so many of their own troops[/QUOTE]

I'd push back on what you are saying by again saying, look to the people that initiated the directive. Like I said before we do not value these moralistic traits as a society. Nazi Germany did, and in turn molded people to do the same. Were these people who admitted to it predisposed to harboring these views than those that did not? I think that is a pretty fair assumption to make. I can link evidence of Nazi Germany troops feeling destroyed from killing that butts heads with that link.

We are creatures of our environment for the most part. I believe currently we (ordinary people) are not predisposed to kill and have been for a long time, but we are definitely susceptible to being manipulated whether its direct or indirect.

But now it has become clear how the Nazi regime dehumanised so many of their own troops

I'd push back on what you are saying by again saying, look to the people that initiated the directive. Like I said before we do not value these moralistic traits as a society. Nazi Germany did, and in turn molded people to do the same. Were these people who admitted to it predisposed to harboring these views than those that did not? I think that is a pretty fair assumption to make. I can link evidence of Nazi Germany troops feeling destroyed from killing that butts heads with that link.

We are creatures of our environment for the most part. I believe currently we (ordinary people) are not predisposed to kill and have been for a long time, but we are definitely susceptible to being manipulated whether its direct or indirect.

The people who initiated that directive yes. Why do you think they used gas chambers instead of firing squads? Efficiency wasn't the only reason

The people who initiated that directive yes. Why do you think they used gas chambers instead of firing squads? Efficiency wasn't the only reason

Yes seeing a human equivalent to an animal and killing them is psychopathic lol

Yes seeing a human equivalent to an animal and killing them is psychopathic lol

If we valued sociopathic traits and embraced them as a collective, the answer to this question would probably be yes because the "ordinary" man would be the man with the traits to be able to just kill. But we don't value those traits, morality, whatever and prune it from our human identity as best as we can.

If we valued sociopathic traits and embraced them as a collective, the answer to this question would probably be yes because the "ordinary" man would be the man with the traits to be able to just kill. But we don't value those traits, morality, whatever and prune it from our human identity as best as we can.

[QUOTE=aamirus;870912]That's interesting, i'd say that killing and empathy are both part of human nature[/QUOTE]

The definition on what killing is on this topic isn't defined. Are we killing in defense of something? Are we killing in service of something? Are we killing for fun? I believe every human is capable of doing it, don't get me wrong there. But we are by large a pretty empathetic species. I think our very own biology telling us to feel empathy is a telltale sign that killing isn't a default mode for us.

Originally Posted by aamirus

That's interesting, i'd say that killing and empathy are both part of human nature

The definition on what killing is on this topic isn't defined. Are we killing in defense of something? Are we killing in service of something? Are we killing for fun? I believe every human is capable of doing it, don't get me wrong there. But we are by large a pretty empathetic species. I think our very own biology telling us to feel empathy is a telltale sign that killing isn't a default mode for us.

Also I think you are reading into Peterson's statement wrong. Anyone can imagine themselves killing someone. It's probably a topic people never discuss seriously which is why it comes across as taboo to hear someone truthfully admit it, but I believe we can all easily picture ourselves killing someone. Now whether we act on it is where the meat of the topic is. To be able to just randomly kill someone shows an incredible lack of empathy, one of the telltale signs of a psychopath which I think would negate the subject being deemed an ordinary man.

Also I think you are reading into Peterson's statement wrong. Anyone can imagine themselves killing someone. It's probably a topic people never discuss seriously which is why it comes across as taboo to hear someone truthfully admit it, but I believe we can all easily picture ourselves killing someone. Now whether we act on it is where the meat of the topic is. To be able to just randomly kill someone shows an incredible lack of empathy, one of the telltale signs of a psychopath which I think would negate the subject being deemed an ordinary man.

To believe ordinary men can just kill is to probably also subscribe to the idea that empathy is a social construct, and I'd be inclined to assume you are a psychopath.

To believe ordinary men can just kill is to probably also subscribe to the idea that empathy is a social construct, and I'd be inclined to assume you are a psychopath.