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[QUOTE=Renegade;868151]By definition, at least in Christianity, science CAN'T prove God exists, because if you knew he existed, then you wouldn't have "faith", and having "faith" is the bedrock of the goofiness.

Strange stuff.[/QUOTE]

The ultimate loophole.

Originally Posted by Renegade

By definition, at least in Christianity, science CAN'T prove God exists, because if you knew he existed, then you wouldn't have "faith", and having "faith" is the bedrock of the goofiness.

Strange stuff.

The ultimate loophole.

[QUOTE=oops_ur_dead;868024]The Big Bang is not a theory for how the universe was created, it's a model for the very early history of the universe after the planck epoch. There are no legitimate empirically supported theories for what happened "before" the Big Bang, all known theories point to there being a singularity containing all energy in the universe before it expanded. The Big Bang is strongly supported by evidence, but nobody truly knows where the universe itself came from.[/QUOTE]

Yeah guys, a scientific theory isn't a hypothesis. C'mon now

[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory[/url]

Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead

The Big Bang is not a theory for how the universe was created, it's a model for the very early history of the universe after the planck epoch. There are no legitimate empirically supported theories for what happened "before" the Big Bang, all known theories point to there being a singularity containing all energy in the universe before it expanded. The Big Bang is strongly supported by evidence, but nobody truly knows where the universe itself came from.

Yeah guys, a scientific theory isn't a hypothesis. C'mon now

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

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[QUOTE=Cancer;867857]Whassap.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Cancer

Whassap.

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[QUOTE=Ganelon;867843]I honestly think that if I were a supreme being I would be waaay too fucking busy doing heavenly stuff to notice humanity. [/QUOTE]

As an atheist, I can accept this idea of an uncaring supreme being. It makes sense.

That being said, that type of being is not worth adoring or worshiping, so what does it matter?

Originally Posted by Ganelon

I honestly think that if I were a supreme being I would be waaay too fucking busy doing heavenly stuff to notice humanity.

As an atheist, I can accept this idea of an uncaring supreme being. It makes sense.

That being said, that type of being is not worth adoring or worshiping, so what does it matter?

[QUOTE=Ash;867841]Yes and no. Where did that pencil come from in the first place? A tree? Where did that tree come from, a seed? How was that seed made, how did all those particles come into existence in the first place?

[B]My point is that science will never be able to achieve an answer to all its questions[/B]. Even if we as a species survive for millions and millions of years, and discover how our Universe was made, there will always be the same question of "How?" So my question is, up to what point are you willing to accept that God is real? Scientifically speaking, it is impossible for the universe to exist from a complete void out of nothingness. Much like Newton's Laws of Motion, nothing will spontaneously happen just because it "can".

Yes you can say that there is no "proof" of God, just like there is no proof of a fourth dimension. What if they are the same? What if God is just on a much higher dimension and we cannot comprehend because we're stuck in a three-dimensional world? If you make a game, let's say you make a 2d sandbox game just like Minecraft and you have intelligent AI in it that act on their own, does that make you a God?[/QUOTE]

Well, DUH. The whole point of science is to study the universe and try to understand why things happen and how things work. There's no point to be made here by stating that lol

What we know from science though is achieved through the scientific method, and if you were to wipe out our species and force it to start all over, it would eventually come to understand that exact same things once again.

Can you say the same about religion? Given that science has proved certain points about the bible wrong/incorrect in a literal sense, religion has had to make the choice to either move the goal posts to fit what science has helped us come to understand (biblical stories aren't literal) or to deny scientific discoveries (evolution doesn't exist). If humanity was wiped out and had to start over, would the lessons and doctrines in the bible be the same? With all of the many differing ideas and contradictions that are contained in it?

(this goes for any religion btw)

Originally Posted by Ash

Yes and no. Where did that pencil come from in the first place? A tree? Where did that tree come from, a seed? How was that seed made, how did all those particles come into existence in the first place?

My point is that science will never be able to achieve an answer to all its questions. Even if we as a species survive for millions and millions of years, and discover how our Universe was made, there will always be the same question of "How?" So my question is, up to what point are you willing to accept that God is real? Scientifically speaking, it is impossible for the universe to exist from a complete void out of nothingness. Much like Newton's Laws of Motion, nothing will spontaneously happen just because it "can".

Yes you can say that there is no "proof" of God, just like there is no proof of a fourth dimension. What if they are the same? What if God is just on a much higher dimension and we cannot comprehend because we're stuck in a three-dimensional world? If you make a game, let's say you make a 2d sandbox game just like Minecraft and you have intelligent AI in it that act on their own, does that make you a God?

Well, DUH. The whole point of science is to study the universe and try to understand why things happen and how things work. There's no point to be made here by stating that lol

What we know from science though is achieved through the scientific method, and if you were to wipe out our species and force it to start all over, it would eventually come to understand that exact same things once again.

Can you say the same about religion? Given that science has proved certain points about the bible wrong/incorrect in a literal sense, religion has had to make the choice to either move the goal posts to fit what science has helped us come to understand (biblical stories aren't literal) or to deny scientific discoveries (evolution doesn't exist). If humanity was wiped out and had to start over, would the lessons and doctrines in the bible be the same? With all of the many differing ideas and contradictions that are contained in it?

(this goes for any religion btw)

Yeah no. If god exists, it's not the god of christianity. That god claims to be all knowing, all powerful, and all good. If the god of christianity exists, it is NOT all good and does not deserve worship, adoration, nor respect. I spit on the very thought of it.

If a god exists its some random being that gets a kick out of watching it's "children" (or science experiment) suffer.

Yeah no. If god exists, it's not the god of christianity. That god claims to be all knowing, all powerful, and all good. If the god of christianity exists, it is NOT all good and does not deserve worship, adoration, nor respect. I spit on the very thought of it.

If a god exists its some random being that gets a kick out of watching it's "children" (or science experiment) suffer.