[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990570]So [MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION], let me invite you to my world, since you seem to be entirely not seeing it lol. Here's why I'm going for a Wisp/DM world, with Arrow as likely 3rd.
[SPOILER=Quoting my own posts to sum up my world]
[/SPOILER]
There. This also should give you an idea of why I don't get why you and Stellaria seem to think of me as some kind of useless background decoration or something lol.[/QUOTE]
[SPOILER=da bulletpoint]
> Like, I don't understand Wisp's vote pattern from a town perspective.
I do, cuz I would've been in a situation where I don't want to yeet either mac or banana.
> This is possible scum theatre. I don't see the "gaslighting" Wisp referred to
Again, I do get what wisp means here (or maybe I'm self-deluding enough to think I do, idk, nusuth.)
> his interaction just makes so little sense, especially since it isn't followed by anything real (i.e. votes), despite being at EOD.
little sense to you*. I do get it. We'll probably see similar stuff today, with multiple people discussing stuff for tomorrow but staying on kuti.
> Lynching Arrow over Banana would have been such a good move in hindsight.
No, no, get up there's no need to get on yours knees and... Anyway, that's obviously a belief I share.[/SPOILER]
Yeah this is about the same as I remembered tbh.
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990572]New list!
[B][U]
Towncore[/U][/B]
MM
Mac
Stellaria
Debbie
[B][U]Townreads[/U][/B]
Ikarus
Ultra
POD? (depends on DM flip, but assuming DM is scum, POD should be town; POD is mildly towny in a vacuum)
[B][U]Neutral there's no reason to lynch[/U][/B]
Achro
[B][U]Scum leans[/U][/B]
Arrow
[B][U]Scumreads[/U][/B]
DM
Wisp[/QUOTE]
Stellaria's not towncore IMO, and I probably shouldn't be either but sure, thanks. Other than that, sure I guess. PoD is higher than DM IMO even without taking the carol in consideration.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
So
@Loldebite
, let me invite you to my world, since you seem to be entirely not seeing it lol. Here's why I'm going for a Wisp/DM world, with Arrow as likely 3rd.
Spoiler : Quoting my own posts to sum up my world :
There. This also should give you an idea of why I don't get why you and Stellaria seem to think of me as some kind of useless background decoration or something lol.
Spoiler : da bulletpoint :
> Like, I don't understand Wisp's vote pattern from a town perspective.
I do, cuz I would've been in a situation where I don't want to yeet either mac or banana.
> This is possible scum theatre. I don't see the "gaslighting" Wisp referred to
Again, I do get what wisp means here (or maybe I'm self-deluding enough to think I do, idk, nusuth.)
> his interaction just makes so little sense, especially since it isn't followed by anything real (i.e. votes), despite being at EOD.
little sense to you*. I do get it. We'll probably see similar stuff today, with multiple people discussing stuff for tomorrow but staying on kuti.
> Lynching Arrow over Banana would have been such a good move in hindsight.
No, no, get up there's no need to get on yours knees and... Anyway, that's obviously a belief I share.
Yeah this is about the same as I remembered tbh.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
New list!
Towncore
MM
Mac
Stellaria
Debbie
Townreads
Ikarus
Ultra
POD? (depends on DM flip, but assuming DM is scum, POD should be town; POD is mildly towny in a vacuum)
Neutral there's no reason to lynch
Achro
Scum leans
Arrow
Scumreads
DM
Wisp
Stellaria's not towncore IMO, and I probably shouldn't be either but sure, thanks. Other than that, sure I guess. PoD is higher than DM IMO even without taking the carol in consideration.
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990570]So [MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION], let me invite you to my world, since you seem to be entirely not seeing it lol. Here's why I'm going for a Wisp/DM world, with Arrow as likely 3rd.
[SPOILER=Quoting my own posts to sum up my world]
[/SPOILER]
There. This also should give you an idea of why I don't get why you and Stellaria seem to think of me as some kind of useless background decoration or something lol.[/QUOTE]
Well first of all I have to tell that dark blue on a dark gray background is what scum does but FINE, I'll read it
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
So
@Loldebite
, let me invite you to my world, since you seem to be entirely not seeing it lol. Here's why I'm going for a Wisp/DM world, with Arrow as likely 3rd.
Spoiler : Quoting my own posts to sum up my world :
There. This also should give you an idea of why I don't get why you and Stellaria seem to think of me as some kind of useless background decoration or something lol.
Well first of all I have to tell that dark blue on a dark gray background is what scum does but FINE, I'll read it
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990561]I just read my own ISO to make sure I was not overestimating my presence and my action in the thread, and honestly, I don't get why you thought that lmao. Like, I tried to be objective, and it doesn't look unmemorable AT ALL. Perhaps it's because you only arrived in the thread to be more active [I]after I went to sleep[/I], so we never really interacted? Bleh.
As for pushes, the achro push and the ultra one are really obvious if you just look a tiny little bit at my ISO, come on :(
Also, I like that you're mindmelding with Stellaria and are telling me that in this manner ("hate to break it to you") : it feels like you're actually trying to show me something, and it's genuine-looking.
[SIZE=1]And now you're going to go full paranoïe and think I'm trying to pocket you and you're going to scumread me even harder. And it's gonna be sad. And I cry.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Mayyyyyyybe it was because I skimmed, I [I]gueeeess[/I]... Still think you fall in that same place as I always seem to do, like "they're here, they do stuff. Meh, sure, but I'm not sold".
I have no idea what that "trying to show me something" bit means lol, but sure !
Oh and don't worry I can't scumread you more than I do atm (that's your answer if you're that desperate for one, ika) :)
[SIZE=1]but knowing me it'll backflip a couple more times before EoD arrives so yeah[/SIZE]
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
I just read my own ISO to make sure I was not overestimating my presence and my action in the thread, and honestly, I don't get why you thought that lmao. Like, I tried to be objective, and it doesn't look unmemorable AT ALL. Perhaps it's because you only arrived in the thread to be more active after I went to sleep, so we never really interacted? Bleh.
As for pushes, the achro push and the ultra one are really obvious if you just look a tiny little bit at my ISO, come on
Also, I like that you're mindmelding with Stellaria and are telling me that in this manner ("hate to break it to you") : it feels like you're actually trying to show me something, and it's genuine-looking.
And now you're going to go full paranoïe and think I'm trying to pocket you and you're going to scumread me even harder. And it's gonna be sad. And I cry.
Mayyyyyyybe it was because I skimmed, I gueeeess... Still think you fall in that same place as I always seem to do, like "they're here, they do stuff. Meh, sure, but I'm not sold".
I have no idea what that "trying to show me something" bit means lol, but sure !
Oh and don't worry I can't scumread you more than I do atm (that's your answer if you're that desperate for one, ika)
but knowing me it'll backflip a couple more times before EoD arrives so yeah
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990549]Unfortunately, I don't think we can get a consensus outside of Kuti unless they come back and [I]say something[/I], considering how everyone apparently hates me for saying we shouldn't lynch them lol.
About my one scum vote: well, if we're going inside the carol (which is probably wise), it's DM, unsurprisingly lol. Overall, though, just looking at behavior and disregarding mechanics, my highest scumread is Wisp; but I fear that will be for much later, and am not even sure I'll be alive to see it. If I die one way or another, though, do lynch Wisp at some point.[/QUOTE]
Hey, I am now everyone *puts cool kid sunglasses on*
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Unfortunately, I don't think we can get a consensus outside of Kuti unless they come back and say something, considering how everyone apparently hates me for saying we shouldn't lynch them lol.
About my one scum vote: well, if we're going inside the carol (which is probably wise), it's DM, unsurprisingly lol. Overall, though, just looking at behavior and disregarding mechanics, my highest scumread is Wisp; but I fear that will be for much later, and am not even sure I'll be alive to see it. If I die one way or another, though, do lynch Wisp at some point.
Hey, I am now everyone *puts cool kid sunglasses on*
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990544]- About myself (and you, I guess): I mean, that's very surprising, considering I generated pushes, consistently gave reads, etc. It's not like I have been sitting in a corner doing nothing uncontroversial lol, so just blanket saying that my ISO is "unimpressive" just feels wrong? I am obviously biased there, but like, it makes very little sense to me. [stuff about stellaria that idc about][/QUOTE]
Hate to break it to you but I had the exact same read of you before our recent clash of sorts. Like I can't recall what push you've made—let alone pushes, plural—and like giving reads is, uh, kinda the strict minimum ?
That being said I agree that stellaria's assessment of PoD is a bit downwards biased imo. I do like the list tho, and tbh I'm in a similar position atm, especially the "hey mac's doing all the work let's sheep that guy" part ngl
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
- About myself (and you, I guess): I mean, that's very surprising, considering I generated pushes, consistently gave reads, etc. It's not like I have been sitting in a corner doing nothing uncontroversial lol, so just blanket saying that my ISO is "unimpressive" just feels wrong? I am obviously biased there, but like, it makes very little sense to me. [stuff about stellaria that idc about]
Hate to break it to you but I had the exact same read of you before our recent clash of sorts. Like I can't recall what push you've made—let alone pushes, plural—and like giving reads is, uh, kinda the strict minimum ?
That being said I agree that stellaria's assessment of PoD is a bit downwards biased imo. I do like the list tho, and tbh I'm in a similar position atm, especially the "hey mac's doing all the work let's sheep that guy" part ngl
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990542]because people are super weird (yes, that's you among others, debbie)[/QUOTE]
Awww thanks ! You too UwU
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990542]BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE A "SUICIDE" BECAUSE WHAT I'M DOING ISN'T EVEN REMOTELY SCUMMY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
... *Ahem.* I mean, I sincerely believe I'm doing what's right here lol.[/QUOTE]
It's not scummy as much as it's anti-town. Because it's stoopid. We simply can't leave such a player around, we've gotta clear that slot outta the poe [SIZE=1]and well without ren to replace into let's just say I don't have much trust in potential replaces to be any better[/SIZE]
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
because people are super weird (yes, that's you among others, debbie)
Awww thanks ! You too UwU
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE A "SUICIDE" BECAUSE WHAT I'M DOING ISN'T EVEN REMOTELY SCUMMY
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
... *Ahem.* I mean, I sincerely believe I'm doing what's right here lol.
It's not scummy as much as it's anti-town. Because it's stoopid. We simply can't leave such a player around, we've gotta clear that slot outta the poe and well without ren to replace into let's just say I don't have much trust in potential replaces to be any better
[QUOTE=Loldebite;990535]I mean sorry but know it's safe to say that they don't care lol. As achro said, they're not even bothering with the bare minimum expect from a townie in such a position, so we [I]have[/I] to assume they're fine with getting yeet'd. And the reason for that is completely irrelevant lol, it matters not if they're busy or not and you know it perfectly lol.
And sorry but people refusing to elaborate and leaving the thread completely would be new to me. I've seen some refusing to argue, I've seen some scream nonsense, I've seen some spam the same fucking giggling mew picture over and over again but I've never seen one just LEAVE.
Like EVEN IF they were town that's not fucking okay lol so what the fuck are you doing ?
Well it really DOES seem like you are FMPOV, that's why I put it out this way.[/QUOTE]
ugh lots of typos it hurts
Originally Posted by Loldebite
I mean sorry but know it's safe to say that they don't care lol. As achro said, they're not even bothering with the bare minimum expect from a townie in such a position, so we have to assume they're fine with getting yeet'd. And the reason for that is completely irrelevant lol, it matters not if they're busy or not and you know it perfectly lol.
And sorry but people refusing to elaborate and leaving the thread completely would be new to me. I've seen some refusing to argue, I've seen some scream nonsense, I've seen some spam the same fucking giggling mew picture over and over again but I've never seen one just LEAVE.
Like EVEN IF they were town that's not fucking okay lol so what the fuck are you doing ?
Well it really DOES seem like you are FMPOV, that's why I put it out this way.
[QUOTE=Stellaria;990534]For starters, you don't have any right to tell me how to feel. Want me to not be hurt? Stop being rude.
Secondly, I'll explain my reads in a moment. Let me do a write-up.[/QUOTE]
tbh to get the context straight cuz I'm pretty sure both of you have forgotten it, from the looks of it, MM did not call you "stellaris", he made a joke about the game of the same name after someone else did (achro IIRC?)
Originally Posted by Stellaria
For starters, you don't have any right to tell me how to feel. Want me to not be hurt? Stop being rude.
Secondly, I'll explain my reads in a moment. Let me do a write-up.
tbh to get the context straight cuz I'm pretty sure both of you have forgotten it, from the looks of it, MM did not call you "stellaris", he made a joke about the game of the same name after someone else did (achro IIRC?)
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990529]Because I believe that "against their wishes" (which isnt even something you KNOW, kuti might just be busy, apparently they are according to Wisp) isn't necessarily SCUM. People acting like this as town is far from unheard of[/QUOTE]
I mean sorry but know it's safe to say that they don't care lol. As achro said, they're not even bothering with the bare minimum expect from a townie in such a position, so we [I]have[/I] to assume they're fine with getting yeet'd. And the reason for that is completely irrelevant lol, it matters not if they're busy or not and you know it perfectly lol.
And sorry but people refusing to elaborate and leaving the thread completely would be new to me. I've seen some refusing to argue, I've seen some scream nonsense, I've seen some spam the same fucking giggling mew picture over and over again but I've never seen one just LEAVE.
Like EVEN IF they were town that's not fucking okay lol so what the fuck are you doing ?
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990529]At this point though, it seems I'm basically suiciding for Kuti, which is absolutely not what I wish lmao. Do w/e you want, my hands are clean from their blood.[/QUOTE]
Well it really DOES seem like you are FMPOV, that's why I put it out this way.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Because I believe that "against their wishes" (which isnt even something you KNOW, kuti might just be busy, apparently they are according to Wisp) isn't necessarily SCUM. People acting like this as town is far from unheard of
I mean sorry but know it's safe to say that they don't care lol. As achro said, they're not even bothering with the bare minimum expect from a townie in such a position, so we have to assume they're fine with getting yeet'd. And the reason for that is completely irrelevant lol, it matters not if they're busy or not and you know it perfectly lol.
And sorry but people refusing to elaborate and leaving the thread completely would be new to me. I've seen some refusing to argue, I've seen some scream nonsense, I've seen some spam the same fucking giggling mew picture over and over again but I've never seen one just LEAVE.
Like EVEN IF they were town that's not fucking okay lol so what the fuck are you doing ?
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
At this point though, it seems I'm basically suiciding for Kuti, which is absolutely not what I wish lmao. Do w/e you want, my hands are clean from their blood.
Well it really DOES seem like you are FMPOV, that's why I put it out this way.
like from my POV you're literally defending someone [B]against their wishes[/B] which I kinda have to assume is either interested or TMI because why the fuck else
like from my POV you're literally defending someone against their wishes which I kinda have to assume is either interested or TMI because why the fuck else
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990526]I'm playing HotS right now but just go check my ISO on D1, I was already not getting the argument to lynch Kuti iirc
AND NO I'M NOT PULLING A GAMBIT DAMNIT
And you of all people should know me better than that -_-[/QUOTE]
idc about your D1 one, if anything the fact that your stance hasn't change despite kuti literally alt+f4ing is a point against, not for, you
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
I'm playing HotS right now but just go check my ISO on D1, I was already not getting the argument to lynch Kuti iirc
AND NO I'M NOT PULLING A GAMBIT DAMNIT
And you of all people should know me better than that
idc about your D1 one, if anything the fact that your stance hasn't change despite kuti literally alt+f4ing is a point against, not for, you
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990511]Hm, I must admit that from an external point of view basing on the carol, this is a pretty good plan. Note that I am absolutely always happy with lynching DM here though (and if you're gonna say "but medium!!", know that scum medium can just tell his scum team who Martin's clear is so that wolves kill the clear first, so I fear all of this is useless as hell).[/QUOTE]
Well I'm not sure that it's possible for scum to do that, if all that stuff happens at EoD after action lock, there's no window of opportunity for that to happen, is there ?
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Hm, I must admit that from an external point of view basing on the carol, this is a pretty good plan. Note that I am absolutely always happy with lynching DM here though (and if you're gonna say "but medium!!", know that scum medium can just tell his scum team who Martin's clear is so that wolves kill the clear first, so I fear all of this is useless as hell).
Well I'm not sure that it's possible for scum to do that, if all that stuff happens at EoD after action lock, there's no window of opportunity for that to happen, is there ?
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990501]I am not saying Kuti is playing optimally, because it's obviously not true lmao. But playing suboptimally =/= being scum
At this point, though, there's only so much I can do to convince y'all if Kuti doesn't just come and speak for themselves.[/QUOTE]
Lol you're pushing that "lets defend the obvious scum so I look like very confused TWTBAW townie" gambit much too far.
Whatever your argument is you could've made it [I]before[/I] kuti went and threw in the towel but doing it [I]afterwards[/I] is like ???? it makes no sense at all, so I'm betting it's a gambit cuz I don't think you're that confused.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
I am not saying Kuti is playing optimally, because it's obviously not true lmao. But playing suboptimally =/= being scum
At this point, though, there's only so much I can do to convince y'all if Kuti doesn't just come and speak for themselves.
Lol you're pushing that "lets defend the obvious scum so I look like very confused TWTBAW townie" gambit much too far.
Whatever your argument is you could've made it before kuti went and threw in the towel but doing it afterwards is like ???? it makes no sense at all, so I'm betting it's a gambit cuz I don't think you're that confused.
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;990499]Yes. Gun to head, the ? is Arrow (he's relatively scummy/commits the heinous crime of not being towny/fits in pretty much every possible scum team).
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Yes, wolves bus too, but it feels like Kuti [I]never[/I] had any resistance to their lynch (barring myself). Noone ever really defended them or distracted from them actively, as far as I can tell. That isn't normal.[/COLOR]
[MENTION=45380]macdougall[/MENTION] not trying isn't necessarily antispew, it can be tons of stuff
Like, I'm not 100 % confident Kuti is town, but I'm far from convinced of the opposite. And if they flip town, we're just going to be in a state of deep sorrow. [MENTION=46237]Kutiplz[/MENTION] you ought to come here and show you're town.
In the event Kuti just doesn't come back at all in a reasonable timespan today, I'll be forced to consider their lynch, simply because we'll never be able to trust them fully and the whole thread is just going to have their noses stuck on Kuti instead of solving. Until then, no.[/QUOTE]
Wow you're actually just scum. That's your textbook defense of a scummate, you did almost the exact same with with PQR in Once Upon a Town in the West. You're next in my poe.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Yes. Gun to head, the ? is Arrow (he's relatively scummy/commits the heinous crime of not being towny/fits in pretty much every possible scum team).
Yes, wolves bus too, but it feels like Kuti never had any resistance to their lynch (barring myself). Noone ever really defended them or distracted from them actively, as far as I can tell. That isn't normal.
@macdougall
not trying isn't necessarily antispew, it can be tons of stuff
Like, I'm not 100 % confident Kuti is town, but I'm far from convinced of the opposite. And if they flip town, we're just going to be in a state of deep sorrow.
@Kutiplz
you ought to come here and show you're town.
In the event Kuti just doesn't come back at all in a reasonable timespan today, I'll be forced to consider their lynch, simply because we'll never be able to trust them fully and the whole thread is just going to have their noses stuck on Kuti instead of solving. Until then, no.
Wow you're actually just scum. That's your textbook defense of a scummate, you did almost the exact same with with PQR in Once Upon a Town in the West. You're next in my poe.
[QUOTE=Wiisp;990496]there isnt anything townie by being the opposition in the way u are, which is basically just shading the gamestate before u dont know anything[/QUOTE]
This lol
Originally Posted by Wiisp
there isnt anything townie by being the opposition in the way u are, which is basically just shading the gamestate before u dont know anything
[QUOTE=Dark Magician;990445]PoD is Even Night, Banana was Odd Night Giver and I am always in there at night. I am Frostmiser or whatever it’s called where whoever they choose would become Heatmiser.
I am always there at night and I can show post from dead as confirmed.
I only have 1 shot left of which I’ll be using on Martin.
Also to respond to Bite, I’ve given my PoE.[/QUOTE]
And a red ika flip doesn't change it at all ? I'm asking because that's not what I assumed. If so, what'd you do if ika flips green ?
Originally Posted by Dark Magician
PoD is Even Night, Banana was Odd Night Giver and I am always in there at night. I am Frostmiser or whatever it’s called where whoever they choose would become Heatmiser.
I am always there at night and I can show post from dead as confirmed.
I only have 1 shot left of which I’ll be using on Martin.
Also to respond to Bite, I’ve given my PoE.
And a red ika flip doesn't change it at all ? I'm asking because that's not what I assumed. If so, what'd you do if ika flips green ?
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;990437]Maybe I should ask for clarification
How do mediums work here? Can they speak with the dead every night? Or are they assigned odd and even nights?[/QUOTE]
From what I understood they all have like 50 layers of complexity added on top, so probably none of them can speak every night and all of them probably have some kind of restriction. I admit I've been too lazy to study banana's flip in detail so I haven't cross-validated DM's claim nor used that to speculate more about PoD's role.
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
Maybe I should ask for clarification
How do mediums work here? Can they speak with the dead every night? Or are they assigned odd and even nights?
From what I understood they all have like 50 layers of complexity added on top, so probably none of them can speak every night and all of them probably have some kind of restriction. I admit I've been too lazy to study banana's flip in detail so I haven't cross-validated DM's claim nor used that to speculate more about PoD's role.
[QUOTE=Loldebite;990432]I don't see anyone seriously considering getting either of you mediums on the chopping block today, so what's wrong with preparing for a green kuti flip ?
Inversely, if kuti flips green AND you believe all mediums are town, then who's scum ? I guess you think ika is among those, but who'd be with them ?[/QUOTE]
Ah I had forgotten MM... Still, I don't get why you're getting that defensive
Originally Posted by Loldebite
I don't see anyone seriously considering getting either of you mediums on the chopping block today, so what's wrong with preparing for a green kuti flip ?
Inversely, if kuti flips green AND you believe all mediums are town, then who's scum ? I guess you think ika is among those, but who'd be with them ?
Ah I had forgotten MM... Still, I don't get why you're getting that defensive
[QUOTE=Dark Magician;990430]If PoD is town that’s what wolves want you to do.[/QUOTE]
I don't see anyone seriously considering getting either of you mediums on the chopping block today, so what's wrong with preparing for a green kuti flip ?
Inversely, if kuti flips green AND you believe all mediums are town, then who's scum ? I guess you think ika is among those, but who'd be with them ?
Originally Posted by Dark Magician
If PoD is town that’s what wolves want you to do.
I don't see anyone seriously considering getting either of you mediums on the chopping block today, so what's wrong with preparing for a green kuti flip ?
Inversely, if kuti flips green AND you believe all mediums are town, then who's scum ? I guess you think ika is among those, but who'd be with them ?
[QUOTE=Arrow;990412]Deb voted me and checked out; and I'm not really sure what he was trying to accomplish other than a possible miselim. If he was pressuring me, he'd need to stick around to get the response.[/QUOTE]
just parking a vote on my top suspect before going to sleep. I considered voting mac to protect banana or voting achro but yeeting the neutral felt like it'd yield little information and mac did convince me he was a bad lynch to, and I had to go to sleep so I had to pick [I]someone[/I] or go voteless. I learned the hard way that not voting is, in fact, not an option so you got it. That's basically it.
btw PoE = path of elimination (no, not that hack & slash)
Originally Posted by Arrow
Deb voted me and checked out; and I'm not really sure what he was trying to accomplish other than a possible miselim. If he was pressuring me, he'd need to stick around to get the response.
just parking a vote on my top suspect before going to sleep. I considered voting mac to protect banana or voting achro but yeeting the neutral felt like it'd yield little information and mac did convince me he was a bad lynch to, and I had to go to sleep so I had to pick someone or go voteless. I learned the hard way that not voting is, in fact, not an option so you got it. That's basically it.
btw PoE = path of elimination (no, not that hack & slash)
[QUOTE=Loldebite;990406]PoD's faint cover of bananacucho could be scum trying to get trying town cred while keeping a safe distance, if that makes sense[/QUOTE]
keeping his distance could've been crucial cuz he could've had bananacucho as 3P
Originally Posted by Loldebite
PoD's faint cover of bananacucho could be scum trying to get trying town cred while keeping a safe distance, if that makes sense
keeping his distance could've been crucial cuz he could've had bananacucho as 3P
Yeah that reminds me that I don't think I've seen arrow make a post that didn't involve mechanics or the setup in some fashion, and I wanted to say that. It seems they're badly struggling to produce content, especially reads, but maybe I missed some crucial post of theirs.
As for 3rd mate, in no particular order :
wisp seems plausible FMPOV
same about MM but mac has a good opinion of him now and he's quite certainly better at reading him than I am so [I]eh[/I]
Stellaria is possible but I feel pretty okay about them for now
And a scum medium is still possible so one of DM/PoD. ATM I'd lean heavily towards PoD because DM's in the carol, and PoD's faint cover of bananacucho could be scum trying to get trying town cred while keeping a safe distance, if that makes sense
Anyway that's where my thoughts are at for now
Yeah that reminds me that I don't think I've seen arrow make a post that didn't involve mechanics or the setup in some fashion, and I wanted to say that. It seems they're badly struggling to produce content, especially reads, but maybe I missed some crucial post of theirs.
As for 3rd mate, in no particular order :
wisp seems plausible FMPOV
same about MM but mac has a good opinion of him now and he's quite certainly better at reading him than I am so eh
Stellaria is possible but I feel pretty okay about them for now
And a scum medium is still possible so one of DM/PoD. ATM I'd lean heavily towards PoD because DM's in the carol, and PoD's faint cover of bananacucho could be scum trying to get trying town cred while keeping a safe distance, if that makes sense
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;990401]in day 1 im the town's worst enemy, i probably caused like at least 5 towns dead on day 1 since the first time it happened.[/QUOTE]
well tbh I wouldn't count that against you since there's usually about twice as many townies as there are scum, so even with a rate fairly above 50-50 you'd still end up lynching a bunch of townies D1. And D1 is definitely the one day where reads are closest to pure rand IMO. So don't get [I]too[/I] hard on yourself for that lol
But seeing two townies rip themselves apart for having different views of what the game should be is painful
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
in day 1 im the town's worst enemy, i probably caused like at least 5 towns dead on day 1 since the first time it happened.
well tbh I wouldn't count that against you since there's usually about twice as many townies as there are scum, so even with a rate fairly above 50-50 you'd still end up lynching a bunch of townies D1. And D1 is definitely the one day where reads are closest to pure rand IMO. So don't get too hard on yourself for that lol
But seeing two townies rip themselves apart for having different views of what the game should be is painful
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;990395]If we are looking at chopping one of banana voters, as banana said himself, we should look for those that hopped on the wagon late without giving any reasoning, rather than pushing someone who had reasons you don't agree with.[/QUOTE]
You had no real reason. But whatever.
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;990397]But I won't give excuses for when loldebite said I always lynch a town for similar reasons lol. I do.
But I've caught scums for exactly the same reasons so.... it's more like 70-80% failure rate, not 100%[/QUOTE]
Hey I'm actually glad that it's not just in my head lol thanks
Anyway yeah so you're town, thus I don't doubt your carrol anymore. Vote kuti ty
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
If we are looking at chopping one of banana voters, as banana said himself, we should look for those that hopped on the wagon late without giving any reasoning, rather than pushing someone who had reasons you don't agree with.
You had no real reason. But whatever.
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
But I won't give excuses for when loldebite said I always lynch a town for similar reasons lol. I do.
But I've caught scums for exactly the same reasons so.... it's more like 70-80% failure rate, not 100%
Hey I'm actually glad that it's not just in my head lol thanks
Anyway yeah so you're town, thus I don't doubt your carrol anymore. Vote kuti ty
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;990392]No I did not miss that part. I voted Kutiplz at SoD which reflects what I was thinking about the slot, then as I started to talk to DM, I voted DM because I wanted his raw reaction from my vote, to which T!DM's eyes would be outrageous, and it did get his reaction out of him.
I would like to say that while I disliked his tones, I do think they could be genuine which makes me feel better about DM even if I am still scumleaning him. The reason for still scumleaning DM is because while Stellaria (?) also had Kuti/DM/Pod in their poe when I asked, DM pretty much ignored all that and townread stellaria, whereas his initial reaction towards me did a 180 flip and immediately started pushing me, which was not surprising since people OMGUS all the time but did not think he would react that severely. I pointed it out that I maybe hit the sore spot (used that word to get more reaction), and he started tunneling about me till people intervened and pretty much said we are probably TvT.
And if we are AtEing, where was everyone else when Banana was on the chopping block? I was 1st or 2nd (i think kutiplz already had initial vote) to vote for banana and it had been like at elast 10 hours before EoD because I went to bed not long after my vote. I didn't see the counter argument about banana as I see now. Again, hindsight is 20/20 and this game is the perfect example of it.[/QUOTE]
So if I'm understanding you, you got the reaction you wanted and it satisfies you... but you're still voting him ?
I have no idea what that AtE bit is about. And I'm not saying that there was anyone even remotely defending banana lol, that was pretty much what I was pissed off at.
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
No I did not miss that part. I voted Kutiplz at SoD which reflects what I was thinking about the slot, then as I started to talk to DM, I voted DM because I wanted his raw reaction from my vote, to which T!DM's eyes would be outrageous, and it did get his reaction out of him.
I would like to say that while I disliked his tones, I do think they could be genuine which makes me feel better about DM even if I am still scumleaning him. The reason for still scumleaning DM is because while Stellaria (?) also had Kuti/DM/Pod in their poe when I asked, DM pretty much ignored all that and townread stellaria, whereas his initial reaction towards me did a 180 flip and immediately started pushing me, which was not surprising since people OMGUS all the time but did not think he would react that severely. I pointed it out that I maybe hit the sore spot (used that word to get more reaction), and he started tunneling about me till people intervened and pretty much said we are probably TvT.
And if we are AtEing, where was everyone else when Banana was on the chopping block? I was 1st or 2nd (i think kutiplz already had initial vote) to vote for banana and it had been like at elast 10 hours before EoD because I went to bed not long after my vote. I didn't see the counter argument about banana as I see now. Again, hindsight is 20/20 and this game is the perfect example of it.
So if I'm understanding you, you got the reaction you wanted and it satisfies you... but you're still voting him ?
I have no idea what that AtE bit is about. And I'm not saying that there was anyone even remotely defending banana lol, that was pretty much what I was pissed off at.
[QUOTE=Ultra;990377]I am outlining to you how their vote was exactly that, not even arguably since they admitted that's what they were doing you silly goose.[/QUOTE]
Omfg. "let's jump onto that ALREADY ESTABLISHED train". my bad.
Originally Posted by Ultra
I am outlining to you how their vote was exactly that, not even arguably since they admitted that's what they were doing you silly goose.
Omfg. "let's jump onto that ALREADY ESTABLISHED train". my bad.
Kuti's vote placements, by [B]their own admission[/B] were serving as counterwagon to DM/WISP, it's why they pivoted to mac and then back to banana
Where is this interpretation coming from? No matter how you spin it, even if you think she's town that's not a whoopsie, it was explicitly purposeful. Opportunistic by definition. I don't think you put any thought into this, which I'm going to note.[/QUOTE]
*rolls eye* every vote is opportunistic by definition, we're all trying to win the game. I mean it was not a "let's jump onto that train, it's fine" vote.
Originally Posted by Ultra
...what?
Kuti's vote placements, by their own admission were serving as counterwagon to DM/WISP, it's why they pivoted to mac and then back to banana
Where is this interpretation coming from? No matter how you spin it, even if you think she's town that's not a whoopsie, it was explicitly purposeful. Opportunistic by definition. I don't think you put any thought into this, which I'm going to note.
*rolls eye* every vote is opportunistic by definition, we're all trying to win the game. I mean it was not a "let's jump onto that train, it's fine" vote.
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;990361]Let me make it clear - I do not think Kuti is town - and I think the slot is either neutral or mafia.
Day 1 - I scumleaned DM. I townread MM.
I wanted to explore the possiblility of DM being mafia because while Kuti being non town satisfies the carol, there is also possibility another player is also non-town. Had it mentioned players like Kutiplz/Ultra/Mac - I wouldn't even go to the other ones.[/QUOTE]
Did you miss the part where we want martin's greencheck and for that we need a medium alive and for that we need to not yeet any of them, even if one is scum ? Voting DM is straight up a mechanical mistake and you're justifying it with "Kuti's scummier but I wanna explore DM" this makes little sense to me. It's not like DM's been coasting, they're active and engaging so what do you actually think voting will achieve ? Idk I don't follow
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
Let me make it clear - I do not think Kuti is town - and I think the slot is either neutral or mafia.
Day 1 - I scumleaned DM. I townread MM.
I wanted to explore the possiblility of DM being mafia because while Kuti being non town satisfies the carol, there is also possibility another player is also non-town. Had it mentioned players like Kutiplz/Ultra/Mac - I wouldn't even go to the other ones.
Did you miss the part where we want martin's greencheck and for that we need a medium alive and for that we need to not yeet any of them, even if one is scum ? Voting DM is straight up a mechanical mistake and you're justifying it with "Kuti's scummier but I wanna explore DM" this makes little sense to me. It's not like DM's been coasting, they're active and engaging so what do you actually think voting will achieve ? Idk I don't follow
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;990349]POD was talking to Stellaria about how a bunch of us were in his POE because Banana was 'an obvious PR' (because he slipped the role 'Ghost of Banana past') and we yeeted him. He was arguing that banana was an obvious PR as if we should've trusted his claim after all. Both Stellaria and I argued how we could've known and TRUSTED his claim especially when I don't know how banana plays (dont know about stellaria), and banana's trolling on day 1 made it just hard to know what is the truth and what is not? Perhaps players here who knows banana knows better, but I simply don't. That is why I did not trust the claim of a troll - as PoD describes. If that makes me the worst town player, then so be it.
And this is coming from a post flip discussion. NOBODY tried to actively advocate the votes away from Banana during EoD. Hindsight is 20/20 and anyone can be the best player in the game if they argue how they were right after someone flipped.[/QUOTE]
Sorry but when someone insists not one, not twice but THRICE for people not to claim in his name, you SHOULD pay attention. They were very likely PR from that alone, and since PoD had already outed their Ghost of Christmas Past hint they were pretty much obvious FMPOV yes, but that's beside the point. I'm not mad about you not trusting the claim or whatever, I'm mad because your entire reasoning for yeet them is "but they trolled :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:" and that is just not good enough, sorry. There were people with a worse than trolly D1.
And I was away at EoD but were I not, I would've screamed, believe me. Glad that macdoug's alive tho, so I guess it turned out pretty good.
Anyway...
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;990360]1) - I've been fine about pursuing Kutiplz. I stated as much. DM is second person to go after because I SL DM day 1 anyway, while I TR MM. I didn't explore Kutiplz here because my mind was more or less settled on lynching Kutiplz (hence my initial kuti vote) but rather wanted to explore into Dark and get some information about the slot by shading him hard. I do admit my mistake of misreading one of his posts.
2) - Why not? I wanted to hold off revealing the carol before I start asking questions because I wanted to read what they had to say in SoD. Aside form Kutiplz, I wasn't all the certain about Dark or MM regardless of my day 1 reads. So I waited, realise MM wasn't coming at that point in time, then revealed.
3) Not directed at me, but yes, w!ikarus could've easily forged the carol. But if your paranoia about my forged carol is justified, yet my paranoia about dark's SoD post possibily being tempered with is a ridiculous idea, then there is hypocrisy there. How (un)likely do you think we have 3 mediums?[/QUOTE]
1. If DM is the SECOND why are you voting HIM ????
2. What did you expect for town to gain by withholding ? If you didn't expect anything, that was just scummy. But I guess wanting to see "natural" SoD reactions is valid, that kinda answers 3.
3. I don't get your point at all. PoD called out bananacucho's role name pre-flip so it's quite obvious we have 2 at the very least.
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
POD was talking to Stellaria about how a bunch of us were in his POE because Banana was 'an obvious PR' (because he slipped the role 'Ghost of Banana past') and we yeeted him. He was arguing that banana was an obvious PR as if we should've trusted his claim after all. Both Stellaria and I argued how we could've known and TRUSTED his claim especially when I don't know how banana plays (dont know about stellaria), and banana's trolling on day 1 made it just hard to know what is the truth and what is not? Perhaps players here who knows banana knows better, but I simply don't. That is why I did not trust the claim of a troll - as PoD describes. If that makes me the worst town player, then so be it.
And this is coming from a post flip discussion. NOBODY tried to actively advocate the votes away from Banana during EoD. Hindsight is 20/20 and anyone can be the best player in the game if they argue how they were right after someone flipped.
Sorry but when someone insists not one, not twice but THRICE for people not to claim in his name, you SHOULD pay attention. They were very likely PR from that alone, and since PoD had already outed their Ghost of Christmas Past hint they were pretty much obvious FMPOV yes, but that's beside the point. I'm not mad about you not trusting the claim or whatever, I'm mad because your entire reasoning for yeet them is "but they trolled " and that is just not good enough, sorry. There were people with a worse than trolly D1.
And I was away at EoD but were I not, I would've screamed, believe me. Glad that macdoug's alive tho, so I guess it turned out pretty good.
Anyway...
Originally Posted by ikarusdk
1) - I've been fine about pursuing Kutiplz. I stated as much. DM is second person to go after because I SL DM day 1 anyway, while I TR MM. I didn't explore Kutiplz here because my mind was more or less settled on lynching Kutiplz (hence my initial kuti vote) but rather wanted to explore into Dark and get some information about the slot by shading him hard. I do admit my mistake of misreading one of his posts.
2) - Why not? I wanted to hold off revealing the carol before I start asking questions because I wanted to read what they had to say in SoD. Aside form Kutiplz, I wasn't all the certain about Dark or MM regardless of my day 1 reads. So I waited, realise MM wasn't coming at that point in time, then revealed.
3) Not directed at me, but yes, w!ikarus could've easily forged the carol. But if your paranoia about my forged carol is justified, yet my paranoia about dark's SoD post possibily being tempered with is a ridiculous idea, then there is hypocrisy there. How (un)likely do you think we have 3 mediums?
1. If DM is the SECOND why are you voting HIM ????
2. What did you expect for town to gain by withholding ? If you didn't expect anything, that was just scummy. But I guess wanting to see "natural" SoD reactions is valid, that kinda answers 3.
3. I don't get your point at all. PoD called out bananacucho's role name pre-flip so it's quite obvious we have 2 at the very least.