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I'd hop back in but I don't actually know what content is being debated.

I'd hop back in but I don't actually know what content is being debated.

The left hand path.

The left hand path.

I thought the thread was dead. And then it lit up like a Christmas tree.

I thought the thread was dead. And then it lit up like a Christmas tree.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869814]Tucker Carlon's a pretty cool dude, especially since he's not expected to report facts you know, just spew his diatribe that's protected by the 1st amendment. Facts don't matter.

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fox-news-tucker-carlson-facts-trump-playboy-model-a9573436.html[/URL]



They all fall right of center. Obama was a conservative.[/QUOTE]

There are plenty of journalists on both sides that say stupid shit. Rachel Maddow had a 10 million dollar lawsuit against herself 2 months before the one you posted was filed. Not to mention, that article outlining Tucker's lawsuit took a quote from Fox's lawyer out of context. The suit, like many others will just get thrown out.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Tucker Carlon's a pretty cool dude, especially since he's not expected to report facts you know, just spew his diatribe that's protected by the 1st amendment. Facts don't matter.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9573436.html



They all fall right of center. Obama was a conservative.

There are plenty of journalists on both sides that say stupid shit. Rachel Maddow had a 10 million dollar lawsuit against herself 2 months before the one you posted was filed. Not to mention, that article outlining Tucker's lawsuit took a quote from Fox's lawyer out of context. The suit, like many others will just get thrown out.

[QUOTE=Ganelon;869809]No. I am not very empathetic myself, but I do share many of the classical psychological markers they associate with the left - I am VERY disorderly, and (I believe) relatively high in openness to experience. That�s kinda why this dichotomy is important to me. It made me understand by own beliefs much better.
For example I am definitely pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage, and pro-guns (my position on social issues is, if doesn�t constitute a security risk or an infringement upon someone else�s freedom, why not?), but I also believe that religion and culture are nice and important. I believe American laws are, at least in part, based on fundamental religious values. I also think the ideas that are at the core of our society (individualism foremost among them) are extremely important, and that we shouldn�t abandon them. Does that make me a conservative?[/QUOTE]

Sounds libertarian.

Also I think pro-choice is a bit better sounding than pro-abortion.

Originally Posted by Ganelon

No. I am not very empathetic myself, but I do share many of the classical psychological markers they associate with the left - I am VERY disorderly, and (I believe) relatively high in openness to experience. That�s kinda why this dichotomy is important to me. It made me understand by own beliefs much better.
For example I am definitely pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage, and pro-guns (my position on social issues is, if doesn�t constitute a security risk or an infringement upon someone else�s freedom, why not?), but I also believe that religion and culture are nice and important. I believe American laws are, at least in part, based on fundamental religious values. I also think the ideas that are at the core of our society (individualism foremost among them) are extremely important, and that we shouldn�t abandon them. Does that make me a conservative?

Sounds libertarian.

Also I think pro-choice is a bit better sounding than pro-abortion.

[QUOTE=Ganelon;869806]That�s one aspect of it but apparently �orderliness� is too.[/QUOTE]

Well yeah. And even those foundations are used to polarize political positions more, especially by the media. For example, does having more empathy make you a better person? Does wanting to protect your country's interests first make you a bad person?

As far as two types of conservative, I'm sure there are a lot more.

Originally Posted by Ganelon

That�s one aspect of it but apparently �orderliness� is too.

Well yeah. And even those foundations are used to polarize political positions more, especially by the media. For example, does having more empathy make you a better person? Does wanting to protect your country's interests first make you a bad person?

As far as two types of conservative, I'm sure there are a lot more.

[QUOTE=Ganelon;869788]Honestly the reasons I initially made this thread were:
a) I suspect there are two different types of right wingers
b) I feel neither are particularly well seen by the mainstream media.
Its a bit bizarre you�d mention the title of the thread because I actually meant to contrast them to show that they weren�t the same thing, and didn�t say one was better than the other. I feel they shouldn�t be lumped together because they�re different.

Bizarrely enough not all studies I�ve read make this distinction. So maybe it�s a contentious issue.
Still it�s interesting to think that political leanings can be predicted on the basis of temperament.[/QUOTE]

There are plenty of types of political views in general; It doesn't matter what side of the spectrum you're on. I'm progressive on some issues and conservative on others. A few of us just showed our results from a political survey that shows this.

Not sure what you mean by temperament.

Originally Posted by Ganelon

Honestly the reasons I initially made this thread were:
a) I suspect there are two different types of right wingers
b) I feel neither are particularly well seen by the mainstream media.
Its a bit bizarre you�d mention the title of the thread because I actually meant to contrast them to show that they weren�t the same thing, and didn�t say one was better than the other. I feel they shouldn�t be lumped together because they�re different.

Bizarrely enough not all studies I�ve read make this distinction. So maybe it�s a contentious issue.
Still it�s interesting to think that political leanings can be predicted on the basis of temperament.

There are plenty of types of political views in general; It doesn't matter what side of the spectrum you're on. I'm progressive on some issues and conservative on others. A few of us just showed our results from a political survey that shows this.

Not sure what you mean by temperament.

[QUOTE=rumox;869794]Thread title has literally no connection to the discussion anyway we all just went off on a tangent[/QUOTE]

Well, we stayed in some scope of it when talking about viewpoints on actual issues.

Originally Posted by rumox

Thread title has literally no connection to the discussion anyway we all just went off on a tangent

Well, we stayed in some scope of it when talking about viewpoints on actual issues.

This is also my stance on economic and religious issues,

This is also my stance on economic and religious issues,

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869767]Wanna join my fuck web?[/QUOTE]

Umpah umpah umpah umpah
Umpah umpah umpah umpah
Here we go now! Umpah-pah huh yeah, uh yeah
경고하는데 조심해야 돼 깊을지도 몰라
여럿 봤는데 못 나오던데 왜? 나도 몰라
내게 묻지 마 얼마나 깊은지 내 눈은 못 보니까 (hoo hoo)
허우적대는 저 다른 애들과 넌 다르길 바라
막 답답하고 숨이 막히고 내게 빠진 거 맞지?
너무 겁먹지 마 난 바로 너야 넌
숨만 쉬어도 내 짝이 될 테니까
Feel the rhythm
몸이 기억하는 대로 좋아
Something unforgettable
바로 지금
맘이 흘러가는 대로 좋아
수평선 위를 나는 거야
Umpah umpah umpah umpah 호흡을 맞추고
Umpah umpah umpah umpah 두 눈을 맞추고
Umpah umpah umpah umpah
너와 나 좋아 something unforgettable
Let the beat drop
기분 so so hot hot, ooh yeah yeah

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Wanna join my fuck web?

Umpah umpah umpah umpah
Umpah umpah umpah umpah
Here we go now! Umpah-pah huh yeah, uh yeah
경고하는데 조심해야 돼 깊을지도 몰라
여럿 봤는데 못 나오던데 왜? 나도 몰라
내게 묻지 마 얼마나 깊은지 내 눈은 못 보니까 (hoo hoo)
허우적대는 저 다른 애들과 넌 다르길 바라
막 답답하고 숨이 막히고 내게 빠진 거 맞지?
너무 겁먹지 마 난 바로 너야 넌
숨만 쉬어도 내 짝이 될 테니까
Feel the rhythm
몸이 기억하는 대로 좋아
Something unforgettable
바로 지금
맘이 흘러가는 대로 좋아
수평선 위를 나는 거야
Umpah umpah umpah umpah 호흡을 맞추고
Umpah umpah umpah umpah 두 눈을 맞추고
Umpah umpah umpah umpah
너와 나 좋아 something unforgettable
Let the beat drop
기분 so so hot hot, ooh yeah yeah

Ah I'm out of gas tonight, just lurking btw

Ah I'm out of gas tonight, just lurking btw

[QUOTE=Frinckles;869758]What other factors did you have in mind?[/QUOTE]

also, not a trap Rumox. Just genuinely wanted to know your thoughts. <3

Originally Posted by Frinckles

What other factors did you have in mind?

also, not a trap Rumox. Just genuinely wanted to know your thoughts. <3

[QUOTE=rumox;869750]A child in a single parent household is a lot more susceptible to a life of poverty or general lower quality life. I think the evidence of this is overwhelming. When it comes to the black community, the single parent household number is incredibly high compared to others. Is this the defining reason for low socioeconomic standing for the black community? Debatable. There is definitely other factors to consider but I think this angle is important simply because you can look at single parent households across all races and see the trend of low socioeconomic standing.[/QUOTE]

What other factors did you have in mind?

Originally Posted by rumox

A child in a single parent household is a lot more susceptible to a life of poverty or general lower quality life. I think the evidence of this is overwhelming. When it comes to the black community, the single parent household number is incredibly high compared to others. Is this the defining reason for low socioeconomic standing for the black community? Debatable. There is definitely other factors to consider but I think this angle is important simply because you can look at single parent households across all races and see the trend of low socioeconomic standing.

What other factors did you have in mind?

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869719]Well said. Cheerio mate[/QUOTE]

Cheerleader. KappaRoss

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Well said. Cheerio mate

Cheerleader.

[QUOTE=aamirus;869717]I feel like I can only say:
"but is that trend you're talking about due to current black people being black or is it perhaps because their ancestors were slaves; getting emancipated with no money, education, and being forced to live in the worst communities; laws setup to put them in prison so they could continue to be used as slave labor.. etc..."
so many times.

Brown vs. Board of education was only in 1954. Even if you were to believe the system was 100% equal for everyone from that point onwards, you can't really argue that blacks should have regressed to the mean by now. It's been only a few generations...[/QUOTE]

I don�t know what the context of this is.

Originally Posted by aamirus

I feel like I can only say:
"but is that trend you're talking about due to current black people being black or is it perhaps because their ancestors were slaves; getting emancipated with no money, education, and being forced to live in the worst communities; laws setup to put them in prison so they could continue to be used as slave labor.. etc..."
so many times.

Brown vs. Board of education was only in 1954. Even if you were to believe the system was 100% equal for everyone from that point onwards, you can't really argue that blacks should have regressed to the mean by now. It's been only a few generations...

I don�t know what the context of this is.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869712]You guys can debate this topic for a bit, I'll step aside.

I had to interject at the religion stuff though, which is something that I am well versed in and feel comfortable holding my own in an argument lol[/QUOTE]

Not really a debate, we agree. Lol

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

You guys can debate this topic for a bit, I'll step aside.

I had to interject at the religion stuff though, which is something that I am well versed in and feel comfortable holding my own in an argument lol

Not really a debate, we agree. Lol

[QUOTE=secondpassing;869705]
Well, perhaps I was a bit careless with my wording. It definitely has to do with divorce rates though, but the problem of non-equal black outcomes also stems from black children growing up without both of their parents. One could chalk that up to divorce (like I did) or talk about lack of education on contraception or talk about black culture and it's influence on young males unwilling to pay child support or being sexually promiscuous or violent crimes creating widows and widowers, or victimization taking it's toll on the outlook of young males so they feel they should just do whatever.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your conclusions for the most part, but the way you've reached it is backwards. Fatherhood is simply a void in many black communities around the country and as Banana pointed out, a large number of black couples are not getting married at all. To the point where I would argue whether or not divorce is even as large a factor as your attributing.

Originally Posted by secondpassing

Well, perhaps I was a bit careless with my wording. It definitely has to do with divorce rates though, but the problem of non-equal black outcomes also stems from black children growing up without both of their parents. One could chalk that up to divorce (like I did) or talk about lack of education on contraception or talk about black culture and it's influence on young males unwilling to pay child support or being sexually promiscuous or violent crimes creating widows and widowers, or victimization taking it's toll on the outlook of young males so they feel they should just do whatever.

I agree with your conclusions for the most part, but the way you've reached it is backwards. Fatherhood is simply a void in many black communities around the country and as Banana pointed out, a large number of black couples are not getting married at all. To the point where I would argue whether or not divorce is even as large a factor as your attributing.

[QUOTE=secondpassing;869688]Systemic racism is indeed real, but the poor outcomes of a black person growing up are less because of systemic racism and more because of culture, upbringing, victimization, and other stuff like it. The Black Lives Matter movement ended quite a few things in my state, a neighboring city's governor stepped down, our police chief stepped down, they defunded school police in troubled districts, so the movement has been successful(?) in getting stuff done; however, this does not solve the moral gap people lack.

America, including black people, are left with a moral gap after the rejection of organized religion. I'm not saying those religions were "good", but they did have a societal function. Those regions (mainly Christianity) kept families together, got fathers to work for the welfare of the family, assigned roles to each member, and promoted the educating of the children by parents.

People are free to reject religion, it's their choice, but people still need families, communities, and a sense of belonging.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to re-argue my point on why the legitimacy of Systemic Racism is questionable at best. Besides, you seemed to have gotten some of the point by actually posting problems and even offering a solution.

Originally Posted by secondpassing

Systemic racism is indeed real, but the poor outcomes of a black person growing up are less because of systemic racism and more because of culture, upbringing, victimization, and other stuff like it. The Black Lives Matter movement ended quite a few things in my state, a neighboring city's governor stepped down, our police chief stepped down, they defunded school police in troubled districts, so the movement has been successful(?) in getting stuff done; however, this does not solve the moral gap people lack.

America, including black people, are left with a moral gap after the rejection of organized religion. I'm not saying those religions were "good", but they did have a societal function. Those regions (mainly Christianity) kept families together, got fathers to work for the welfare of the family, assigned roles to each member, and promoted the educating of the children by parents.

People are free to reject religion, it's their choice, but people still need families, communities, and a sense of belonging.

I'm not going to re-argue my point on why the legitimacy of Systemic Racism is questionable at best. Besides, you seemed to have gotten some of the point by actually posting problems and even offering a solution.

[QUOTE=naz;869670]only awesome borders were the bookstores RIP

pick one: hakeem olajuwon or yao ming[/QUOTE]

Non-question. Hakeem.

Originally Posted by naz

only awesome borders were the bookstores RIP

pick one: hakeem olajuwon or yao ming

Non-question. Hakeem.

[QUOTE=naz;869666]I thought there was a serious discussion board on here too ooopppppssieeeee. I still stand by american football being dumb tho😛

borders are dumb too whats the point of being patriotic ;3[/QUOTE]

Borders are awesome. And you know we like NBA around here.

Originally Posted by naz

I thought there was a serious discussion board on here too ooopppppssieeeee. I still stand by american football being dumb tho😛

borders are dumb too whats the point of being patriotic ;3

Borders are awesome. And you know we like NBA around here.

But Race, Culture, Patriotism, Foreign Policy -- those are things I like to talk about.

But Race, Culture, Patriotism, Foreign Policy -- those are things I like to talk about.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869635]I do like that Pringles has stopped lurking and started playing btw[/QUOTE]

Oh I understand what you mean now. Lol

Yeah well the last two political threads felt like circlejerks as opposed to discussion/debate. Plus as we learned last time I'm pretty politically neutral.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

I do like that Pringles has stopped lurking and started playing btw

Oh I understand what you mean now. Lol

Yeah well the last two political threads felt like circlejerks as opposed to discussion/debate. Plus as we learned last time I'm pretty politically neutral.

Absolutely derailed.

Absolutely derailed.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869635]I do like that Pringles has stopped lurking and started playing btw[/QUOTE]

I'm at work moving everything into boxes because our office is moving. :P despite the fact that we will be working from home anyway.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

I do like that Pringles has stopped lurking and started playing btw

I'm at work moving everything into boxes because our office is moving. :P despite the fact that we will be working from home anyway.

[QUOTE=rumox;869631]Personally I think it's more brand protection than systemic racism. When it comes to the commercial world it all comes down to protecting that $, hence why no other team took him on. I haven't read much into the situation so I won't pretend I am an expert, that's just my face value interpretation.[/QUOTE]

This is exactly why he got a tasty confidential settlement. Similar things have happened in the NBA.

Originally Posted by rumox

Personally I think it's more brand protection than systemic racism. When it comes to the commercial world it all comes down to protecting that $, hence why no other team took him on. I haven't read much into the situation so I won't pretend I am an expert, that's just my face value interpretation.

This is exactly why he got a tasty confidential settlement. Similar things have happened in the NBA.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869630]Sure, if I wanted to ask a rhetorical question.[/QUOTE]

So you don't think the response from the NFL would be the same? I just dont see the point in comparing apples to oranges that don't exist in your question.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Sure, if I wanted to ask a rhetorical question.

So you don't think the response from the NFL would be the same? I just dont see the point in comparing apples to oranges that don't exist in your question.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869628]Kaepernick was blackballed from the league for protesting systemic racism. Teams like my favorite team (the Steelers) played fucking "Duck" Hodges over taking a chance on Kaep. Fucking Duck Hodges. It was bad.

That would have not happened to a talented white player protesting "gun rights" or whatever.[/QUOTE]

Protesting police brutality is fine. That is the name of the issue.

Your second example does not make sense, by the way. Perhaps you could phrase it, "would this happen to a talented white player protesting police brutality?"

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Kaepernick was blackballed from the league for protesting systemic racism. Teams like my favorite team (the Steelers) played fucking "Duck" Hodges over taking a chance on Kaep. Fucking Duck Hodges. It was bad.

That would have not happened to a talented white player protesting "gun rights" or whatever.

Protesting police brutality is fine. That is the name of the issue.

Your second example does not make sense, by the way. Perhaps you could phrase it, "would this happen to a talented white player protesting police brutality?"

Damn I always wanted to use an archaic word in a sentence.

Damn I always wanted to use an archaic word in a sentence.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;869624]The clich� that I'm always up to somethings is greatly exaggerated.

I'm simply asking how you're tying the two together. Systemic Racism broadly explains away the shortcomings of communities of color and frames the world as against you at every level. It pushes you down. Systemic Racism is a boogie-man with no face because it is not tangible. Police brutality is tangible. Police brutality has a face. Thats my point.

Also he totally got a confidential settlement and is fine with it.[/QUOTE]

And in the same vein, what else is tangible? Black communities living impoverished paying taxes to public schools who get less than white schools is not an issue of white privilege or Systemic Racism. It is an issue of economics. It is an issue of black children growing up without a father. Hell, one of the best platforms that the BLM movement has is the desire to help children in these situations grow up with communal guidance. To find an alternative to the nuclear family because it has become more and more uncommon. This is another complicated issue, but people do not talk about it. People don't feel warrant or authority to talk about it. A child's failures are left up to this wistless idea that they were destined to fail. That is wrong, and its what we're teaching them.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

The clich� that I'm always up to somethings is greatly exaggerated.

I'm simply asking how you're tying the two together. Systemic Racism broadly explains away the shortcomings of communities of color and frames the world as against you at every level. It pushes you down. Systemic Racism is a boogie-man with no face because it is not tangible. Police brutality is tangible. Police brutality has a face. Thats my point.

Also he totally got a confidential settlement and is fine with it.

And in the same vein, what else is tangible? Black communities living impoverished paying taxes to public schools who get less than white schools is not an issue of white privilege or Systemic Racism. It is an issue of economics. It is an issue of black children growing up without a father. Hell, one of the best platforms that the BLM movement has is the desire to help children in these situations grow up with communal guidance. To find an alternative to the nuclear family because it has become more and more uncommon. This is another complicated issue, but people do not talk about it. People don't feel warrant or authority to talk about it. A child's failures are left up to this wistless idea that they were destined to fail. That is wrong, and its what we're teaching them.

[QUOTE=rumox;869623]Oh my god. That is incredibly hilarious and sad[/QUOTE]

It's fucking gold.

Originally Posted by rumox

Oh my god. That is incredibly hilarious and sad

It's fucking gold.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869619]Okay, so you're trying to quiz me lol.[/QUOTE]

The clich� that I'm always up to somethings is greatly exaggerated.

I'm simply asking how you're tying the two together. Systemic Racism broadly explains away the shortcomings of communities of color and frames the world as against you at every level. It pushes you down. Systemic Racism is a boogie-man with no face because it is not tangible. Police brutality is tangible. Police brutality has a face. Thats my point.

Also he totally got a confidential settlement and is fine with it.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Okay, so you're trying to quiz me lol.

The clich� that I'm always up to somethings is greatly exaggerated.

I'm simply asking how you're tying the two together. Systemic Racism broadly explains away the shortcomings of communities of color and frames the world as against you at every level. It pushes you down. Systemic Racism is a boogie-man with no face because it is not tangible. Police brutality is tangible. Police brutality has a face. Thats my point.

Also he totally got a confidential settlement and is fine with it.

[QUOTE=rumox;869620]Yeah David Webb's speech resonated with me the most. Well spoken.[/QUOTE]

Here's a related one as well I enjoyed.

[video=youtube;oi0jN-y6vfY]https://youtu.be/oi0jN-y6vfY[/video]

Originally Posted by rumox

Yeah David Webb's speech resonated with me the most. Well spoken.

Here's a related one as well I enjoyed.

[QUOTE=rumox;869613]I was watching some YouTube channel (OxfordUnion??? idk something pretentious like that) and they talked specifically about systemic racism. The room is divided left and right with people that agree and disagree with the topic of the day, and they speak. Really great listen I'll try and find it.[/QUOTE]

I watched all of those yesterday incidentally. David Webb is fantastic.

Originally Posted by rumox

I was watching some YouTube channel (OxfordUnion??? idk something pretentious like that) and they talked specifically about systemic racism. The room is divided left and right with people that agree and disagree with the topic of the day, and they speak. Really great listen I'll try and find it.

I watched all of those yesterday incidentally. David Webb is fantastic.

[QUOTE=oops_ur_dead;869603]I don't know about the fear statistic, but here's a couple of surprising ones: Americans (not just white Americans, also black Americans) are more likely to underestimate black people's pain: [url]https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0048546[/url]

This could partially explain why black people are less likely to receive pain medication than white people (medical bias and racism is an important topic that a lot of people forget about btw): [url]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196064400700990[/url]

Black people are also more likely to be seen by white people as superhuman. This could partially explain the difference in use of force by police, as they view black people are more physically capable than they really are: [url]https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550614553642[/url][/QUOTE]

Those studies are bizarre but interesting. Much of this looks like general stereotypes.

Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead

I don't know about the fear statistic, but here's a couple of surprising ones: Americans (not just white Americans, also black Americans) are more likely to underestimate black people's pain: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0048546

This could partially explain why black people are less likely to receive pain medication than white people (medical bias and racism is an important topic that a lot of people forget about btw): https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...96064400700990

Black people are also more likely to be seen by white people as superhuman. This could partially explain the difference in use of force by police, as they view black people are more physically capable than they really are: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs...48550614553642

Those studies are bizarre but interesting. Much of this looks like general stereotypes.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869612]"To you", what's the point of this question? Do you disagree with systemic racism existing? Or are you just trying to quiz me here?[/QUOTE]

I disagree with it yes. But I was curious what you thought of the concept and how it relates to a black man taking a knee.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

"To you", what's the point of this question? Do you disagree with systemic racism existing? Or are you just trying to quiz me here?

I disagree with it yes. But I was curious what you thought of the concept and how it relates to a black man taking a knee.

[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869604]The US has a long way to go still to combat systemic racism. Yes it has made strides. But here a talented black man can get blacklisted from the NFL for protesting peacefully by kneeling during the national anthem. That's fucked up.[/QUOTE]

Systemic Racism PogChamp

What exactly is systemic racism to you?

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

The US has a long way to go still to combat systemic racism. Yes it has made strides. But here a talented black man can get blacklisted from the NFL for protesting peacefully by kneeling during the national anthem. That's fucked up.

Systemic Racism

What exactly is systemic racism to you?

[QUOTE=rumox;869598]It's anecdotal for sure (x race is scared/uncomfortable of y race). I've heard it from different people from different races. It's not unique to white people.[/QUOTE]

My best friend's mom is terrified of black people and she is an illegal immigrant (Mexican.) Lol
Thats why I wanted the sauce on it.

Originally Posted by rumox

It's anecdotal for sure (x race is scared/uncomfortable of y race). I've heard it from different people from different races. It's not unique to white people.

My best friend's mom is terrified of black people and she is an illegal immigrant (Mexican.) Lol
Thats why I wanted the sauce on it.

[QUOTE=aamirus;869535]I�m surprised you agreed with Frinckles. What he said seemed to be akin to an �I don�t see race� type of argument.

�Why do we get caught up in the past�. Because black people were slaves so they naturally had no money or eduction, hence why their descendants are less likely to have money or education.


The past is 100% crucial here, considering the average bigot will use the same statistics I just mentioned to say that black people are stupid and violent.[/QUOTE]

I didn�t explain away the problem with "I don't see race." I made it a point that a lot of concepts brought up in the discussion commonly are at thier core, demoralizing, flawed and polarizing. Talking points that do not remedy the issue from doctors who do not want the patient to get well.

[QUOTE=aamirus;869537]�It�s an economic issue�. Like no. The average black is poorer than the average white, yes. But people inherently fear blacks more than they fear whites. You can�t seriously pretend the whole issue is economic.

The divide was created on purpose after this:
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner%27s_slave_rebellion[/url]

Because if you convince poor white people that they�re superior to poor black people, then they can�t team up anymore.[/QUOTE]

You literally just pointed out in your post before this that it was an economic issue or socioeconomic. That�s established. A 2009 poll showed Blacks make more on average than Hispanics, they make less than Whites who make less than Asians. In fact, this was a trend that Booker T. Washington recognized early on. He argued that sacrificing voting rights and submitting to racism in the short term, for education and Healthcare for Southern Blacks - would position the black community to be be able to finally push for a more comprehensive civil rights act. And they did. What is disingenuous is this trend of portraying civil rights as Black men in chains and then pivoting right up to MLK. If you want to make it about the past, there is far too much in between that's left forgotten. My argument is that overcoming these issues starts at the foundation of Black communities and the rhetoric that mainstream and social media uses to incorrectly portray the topic of race. Antiquated 'white vs X' does not work. It cannot work and it will not work. There is a difference between learning from our past and having an unhealthy obsession with it. It holds you back.

Give sauce on the fear statistic though please. <3

Originally Posted by aamirus

I�m surprised you agreed with Frinckles. What he said seemed to be akin to an �I don�t see race� type of argument.

�Why do we get caught up in the past�. Because black people were slaves so they naturally had no money or eduction, hence why their descendants are less likely to have money or education.


The past is 100% crucial here, considering the average bigot will use the same statistics I just mentioned to say that black people are stupid and violent.

I didn�t explain away the problem with "I don't see race." I made it a point that a lot of concepts brought up in the discussion commonly are at thier core, demoralizing, flawed and polarizing. Talking points that do not remedy the issue from doctors who do not want the patient to get well.

Originally Posted by aamirus

�It�s an economic issue�. Like no. The average black is poorer than the average white, yes. But people inherently fear blacks more than they fear whites. You can�t seriously pretend the whole issue is economic.

The divide was created on purpose after this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_...lave_rebellion

Because if you convince poor white people that they�re superior to poor black people, then they can�t team up anymore.

You literally just pointed out in your post before this that it was an economic issue or socioeconomic. That�s established. A 2009 poll showed Blacks make more on average than Hispanics, they make less than Whites who make less than Asians. In fact, this was a trend that Booker T. Washington recognized early on. He argued that sacrificing voting rights and submitting to racism in the short term, for education and Healthcare for Southern Blacks - would position the black community to be be able to finally push for a more comprehensive civil rights act. And they did. What is disingenuous is this trend of portraying civil rights as Black men in chains and then pivoting right up to MLK. If you want to make it about the past, there is far too much in between that's left forgotten. My argument is that overcoming these issues starts at the foundation of Black communities and the rhetoric that mainstream and social media uses to incorrectly portray the topic of race. Antiquated 'white vs X' does not work. It cannot work and it will not work. There is a difference between learning from our past and having an unhealthy obsession with it. It holds you back.

Give sauce on the fear statistic though please. <3

I've been biding my time tbh

I've been biding my time tbh

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If you're incapable of some satire, what I'm saying is there are a few racial constructs that I do not believe in. (Also my views do not represent sc2mafia in any way omegalul) But if people wanna bring this up and go half hearted on what the problem of racism is, where it stems from and how we can work together to fix it, the dialogue needs to be open.

If you're incapable of some satire, what I'm saying is there are a few racial constructs that I do not believe in. (Also my views do not represent sc2mafia in any way omegalul) But if people wanna bring this up and go half hearted on what the problem of racism is, where it stems from and how we can work together to fix it, the dialogue needs to be open.

And to elaborate, who am I as a human (or minority) to criticize you on your white priveledge? Why would I make the topic 'white vs everyone else?' That assumes I know every part of how extraordinary lucky (but omitting unlucky) you were and that I cannot attain it. Or rather that these are unattainable by minorities. It's flawed and its a demoralizing beacon. But now, we burn our history and our culture for what? To send a message that won't be recieved? How does this fix the issues of our communities? How does threatening the fabric of our safety of our children, family and friends fix these problems?

And to elaborate, who am I as a human (or minority) to criticize you on your white priveledge? Why would I make the topic 'white vs everyone else?' That assumes I know every part of how extraordinary lucky (but omitting unlucky) you were and that I cannot attain it. Or rather that these are unattainable by minorities. It's flawed and its a demoralizing beacon. But now, we burn our history and our culture for what? To send a message that won't be recieved? How does this fix the issues of our communities? How does threatening the fabric of our safety of our children, family and friends fix these problems?

But here's one solution:

Combat the issue directly. Find the foundation of the problem and do your best to eliminate it. Thats it. This is certainly (as to the credit of Rumox) an economical issue. But that's half of the story that perpetuates the media. Because its a problem within our communites that nobody feels warranted enough to talk about. And it should not be.

But here's one solution:

Combat the issue directly. Find the foundation of the problem and do your best to eliminate it. Thats it. This is certainly (as to the credit of Rumox) an economical issue. But that's half of the story that perpetuates the media. Because its a problem within our communites that nobody feels warranted enough to talk about. And it should not be.

[QUOTE=oops_ur_dead;869495]No its done by racist dipshits to show how much they hate blacks lmao[/QUOTE]

I've never reached that conclusion except with the occasional hillbilly in his Tonka Truck smoking meth. Anecdotes aside, I dont see it as an issue. How different is it than Antifa holding a sword and sickle flag? Who id add was a recognized nation. People have respect, animosity and some deep focus to regress to the past -- even if that past was not so great. This is seen in both left and right politics.

I think the focus on the past, racially, politically and hell, globally is what sets us back from creating any real progress that people hope to achieve. I'm aware of the quote, when we don't learn from our past -- yes whatever. But what do we get as a society, anywhere, when we do not get past it and redeem ourselves eventually? If I'm half white and black, does that make me half slave owner? Do I owe half the money in reperations? Do I get half the money, cut it even? Do I have half white privilege? Half white guilt? When does it fucking stop? This is an unwinnable war for everyone.

Its for these reasons that, its - difficult to come to a resolution. Because Racism, amongst others, is a complicated concept.

Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead

No its done by racist dipshits to show how much they hate blacks lmao

I've never reached that conclusion except with the occasional hillbilly in his Tonka Truck smoking meth. Anecdotes aside, I dont see it as an issue. How different is it than Antifa holding a sword and sickle flag? Who id add was a recognized nation. People have respect, animosity and some deep focus to regress to the past -- even if that past was not so great. This is seen in both left and right politics.

I think the focus on the past, racially, politically and hell, globally is what sets us back from creating any real progress that people hope to achieve. I'm aware of the quote, when we don't learn from our past -- yes whatever. But what do we get as a society, anywhere, when we do not get past it and redeem ourselves eventually? If I'm half white and black, does that make me half slave owner? Do I owe half the money in reperations? Do I get half the money, cut it even? Do I have half white privilege? Half white guilt? When does it fucking stop? This is an unwinnable war for everyone.

Its for these reasons that, its - difficult to come to a resolution. Because Racism, amongst others, is a complicated concept.

[QUOTE=deathworlds;869489]i'd say it baffles me when I see people that proudly wave the confederate flag declare themselves patriots, but it really doesn't when I consider how uninformed and for lack of a better phrase, [I]fuckin' stupid[/I] these people are. As oops said, the confederacy was literally a traitor state that rebelled against U.S. for the right to keep the institution of slavery. Another comparison would be if a Russian national started waving around the soviet flag and declared themselves a freedom fighter.
People in my state (Washington) wave the Stars & Bars, say somethin' about their heritage or what not, and hang their confederate flags on their trucks. Washington wasn't even a bloody state during the time of the civil war (and if it was it was too underdeveloped and removed from the conflict to have anything to do with it).[/QUOTE]

The Confederacy was never acknowledged by the Union. Also, I'm not sure why anyone in Washington would be hanging Confederate flags anyway. In Texas and other states, it's done mostly to show solidarity between other Southern states.

Originally Posted by deathworlds

i'd say it baffles me when I see people that proudly wave the confederate flag declare themselves patriots, but it really doesn't when I consider how uninformed and for lack of a better phrase, fuckin' stupid these people are. As oops said, the confederacy was literally a traitor state that rebelled against U.S. for the right to keep the institution of slavery. Another comparison would be if a Russian national started waving around the soviet flag and declared themselves a freedom fighter.
People in my state (Washington) wave the Stars & Bars, say somethin' about their heritage or what not, and hang their confederate flags on their trucks. Washington wasn't even a bloody state during the time of the civil war (and if it was it was too underdeveloped and removed from the conflict to have anything to do with it).

The Confederacy was never acknowledged by the Union. Also, I'm not sure why anyone in Washington would be hanging Confederate flags anyway. In Texas and other states, it's done mostly to show solidarity between other Southern states.

[QUOTE=rumox;869371]I don't want a communist state, I just don't want the rich having such a disproportionate amount of wealth compared to the majority. That is wealth in all forms - money, power, influence, opportunities. The game is glaringly rigged against the majority and attention is always being focused elsewhere, usually towards the ideological conflicts. Both "sides" are guilty of this.[/QUOTE]

This is smart.

Originally Posted by rumox

I don't want a communist state, I just don't want the rich having such a disproportionate amount of wealth compared to the majority. That is wealth in all forms - money, power, influence, opportunities. The game is glaringly rigged against the majority and attention is always being focused elsewhere, usually towards the ideological conflicts. Both "sides" are guilty of this.

This is smart.