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[QUOTE=BananaCucho;889796]More than one group of people can be right wing

Nazis are far right.[/QUOTE]

Stand by proud boys, I'm making nazism great again.

To oberon's credit though, oberon does a better job of disavowing nazis than trump.

Originally Posted by BananaCucho

More than one group of people can be right wing

Nazis are far right.

Stand by proud boys, I'm making nazism great again.

To oberon's credit though, oberon does a better job of disavowing nazis than trump.

Trump told the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by" in the debates today. Not stand down, but stand BY.

But here on sc2mafia we still wonder why people think the Republican Party is the party of the white supremacists.


Just in case you don't know who the Proud Boys are
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys[/url]

Trump told the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by" in the debates today. Not stand down, but stand BY.

But here on sc2mafia we still wonder why people think the Republican Party is the party of the white supremacists.


Just in case you don't know who the Proud Boys are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

[QUOTE=Voss;890787]I'm literally clarifying so I don't assume!!!!![/QUOTE]

The world may never know

Originally Posted by Voss

I'm literally clarifying so I don't assume!!!!!

The world may never know

[QUOTE=yzb25;890760]I get that we end up arguing about American politics a lot, but you can't just assume every conversation is happening in a strictly American context. That's rather silly lol

Also, though I get annoyed when he seems to concede a point as wrong then repeats it in a later convo, I don't think you should get annoyed when there's no serious movement in his opinion, generally speaking. With all due respect, we're probably like one one-hundredth of his information sources, with most of the rest giving a very different set of facts in a very different manner. "Winning" an argument with someone will just convince them they haven't read enough rather than all their prior information being wrong. If someone's mind is genuinely changed that's great, but I think realistically the most valuable thing we can get out of this is hearing from the other side.

Lastly, let's not lose perspective and bear in mind he's not even voting in the US election, so getting worked up about his American opinions is particularly meaningless.[/QUOTE]

I'm literally clarifying so I don't assume!!!!!

Originally Posted by yzb25

I get that we end up arguing about American politics a lot, but you can't just assume every conversation is happening in a strictly American context. That's rather silly lol

Also, though I get annoyed when he seems to concede a point as wrong then repeats it in a later convo, I don't think you should get annoyed when there's no serious movement in his opinion, generally speaking. With all due respect, we're probably like one one-hundredth of his information sources, with most of the rest giving a very different set of facts in a very different manner. "Winning" an argument with someone will just convince them they haven't read enough rather than all their prior information being wrong. If someone's mind is genuinely changed that's great, but I think realistically the most valuable thing we can get out of this is hearing from the other side.

Lastly, let's not lose perspective and bear in mind he's not even voting in the US election, so getting worked up about his American opinions is particularly meaningless.

I'm literally clarifying so I don't assume!!!!!

It's unclear to me whether or not the argument stated by oberon is if nazis are left/right on the american spectrum, or a more abstract global/philosophical spectrum.

If he's saying it's the latter, then I'll fuck off from this thread. If he's saying it's the former? I'll keep saying that he's spouting bulllshit Faux "News" drivel.

However, historically speaking, it's also very clear that Oberon will never commit himself to a position and this thread will be closed in approximately 5.24 pages. And then in 0.89 months later, we'll have some related discussion again where rinse and repeat ourselves.

It's unclear to me whether or not the argument stated by oberon is if nazis are left/right on the american spectrum, or a more abstract global/philosophical spectrum.

If he's saying it's the latter, then I'll fuck off from this thread. If he's saying it's the former? I'll keep saying that he's spouting bulllshit Faux "News" drivel.

However, historically speaking, it's also very clear that Oberon will never commit himself to a position and this thread will be closed in approximately 5.24 pages. And then in 0.89 months later, we'll have some related discussion again where rinse and repeat ourselves.

I'm not saying that nazis are necessarily clear cut on right winged on a universal/global definition.

I'm saying that, in american politics, nazis are in the republican right wing bc leaders like trump (but not limited to him) have not disavowed these groups.

I believe it was bernie sanders that got donations from white supremacists at one point last year. He did what every republican should do and donated that money/did not accept it.

You would NEVER even EXPECT for trump do this sort of thing. He would never risk offending his coalition. The one that includes nazis and white supremacists.

Anything contrary to the notion that nazis are not in the far right of american politics either doesn't follow american politics closely enough, or watches faux news

I'm not saying that nazis are necessarily clear cut on right winged on a universal/global definition.

I'm saying that, in american politics, nazis are in the republican right wing bc leaders like trump (but not limited to him) have not disavowed these groups.

I believe it was bernie sanders that got donations from white supremacists at one point last year. He did what every republican should do and donated that money/did not accept it.

You would NEVER even EXPECT for trump do this sort of thing. He would never risk offending his coalition. The one that includes nazis and white supremacists.

Anything contrary to the notion that nazis are not in the far right of american politics either doesn't follow american politics closely enough, or watches faux news

[QUOTE=Frinckles;889819]Sure I'll take a watch.[/QUOTE]

The podcast is called "Slow Burn". Season 4 is about David Duke. I personally listen to podcasts on the "Stitcher" app.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Sure I'll take a watch.

The podcast is called "Slow Burn". Season 4 is about David Duke. I personally listen to podcasts on the "Stitcher" app.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;889801]Can I get some context? I wasn't sure if you meant Trump or someone in 1940s European history.[/QUOTE]

Unite the Right rally. People waving nazi flags attended. Trump said that there were good people on both sides.

I can recommend an excellent podcast series on David Duke and his rise in the Louisiana Republican party.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Can I get some context? I wasn't sure if you meant Trump or someone in 1940s European history.

Unite the Right rally. People waving nazi flags attended. Trump said that there were good people on both sides.

I can recommend an excellent podcast series on David Duke and his rise in the Louisiana Republican party.

I was waiting for this thread to actually become political.

Nazis are definitely far right in American politics. The easiest and most indefensible reasons being that the head of right wing politics, the president called Nazis "good people".

I was waiting for this thread to actually become political.

Nazis are definitely far right in American politics. The easiest and most indefensible reasons being that the head of right wing politics, the president called Nazis "good people".