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[QUOTE=Frinckles;892870]
what is journalism anymore?[/QUOTE]

This is the thing that I push. I feel like there is a reason journalism has fallen into one of the least respected professions in America. Both sides are selling their message instead of providing information but they do love to evoke the respect and ethics that 'should have' come with their purported news.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

what is journalism anymore?

This is the thing that I push. I feel like there is a reason journalism has fallen into one of the least respected professions in America. Both sides are selling their message instead of providing information but they do love to evoke the respect and ethics that 'should have' come with their purported news.

[QUOTE=rumox;891163]What is the actual socialist system being pushed in america? All I hear is people talking about bringing healthcare in line with other countries such as my own[/QUOTE]

Socialist System in America: The VA
The doctors, nurses and staff are paid for by the government to provide a service. This service is provided to all vets free to them but at the cost of the tax payers

Subsidized Capitalism in America: Government insurance programs
The doctors, nurses, and staff work for a 'for profit' company and the cost is then spread around through subsidization and insurance costs enabling huge healthcare costs.

Comparing the American system and arguing it can be improved to be inline with an actual socialist healthcare system while pushing for the terrible practice of subsidized capitalism only benefits the profits of the healthcare industrys profits in many ways. In a word Socialist systems would be sooooo very much better than whats pushed for under the false flag of socialism (even though socialism is given a bad shake imo)

Specifically- The idea that healthcare costs are being brought in line with other countries via insurance and subsidization is a bullshit comparison when other countries actually have a socialist system and America is advocating for subsidizing capitalism (which enables higher profits for those providing healthcare at the cost of those receiving healthcare)

Hopefully that makes sense. There is a reason the same pill costs 40$ a pill in the US while you can source the same chemical quantity for 40$ for a thousand if you can track down a country that produces the chemical. Think about the difference like figuring out how to get everyone to pay that 40$ a pill vs figuring out how to source the chemical quantity for what it actually costs to make.

Originally Posted by rumox

What is the actual socialist system being pushed in america? All I hear is people talking about bringing healthcare in line with other countries such as my own

Socialist System in America: The VA
The doctors, nurses and staff are paid for by the government to provide a service. This service is provided to all vets free to them but at the cost of the tax payers

Subsidized Capitalism in America: Government insurance programs
The doctors, nurses, and staff work for a 'for profit' company and the cost is then spread around through subsidization and insurance costs enabling huge healthcare costs.

Comparing the American system and arguing it can be improved to be inline with an actual socialist healthcare system while pushing for the terrible practice of subsidized capitalism only benefits the profits of the healthcare industrys profits in many ways. In a word Socialist systems would be sooooo very much better than whats pushed for under the false flag of socialism (even though socialism is given a bad shake imo)

Specifically- The idea that healthcare costs are being brought in line with other countries via insurance and subsidization is a bullshit comparison when other countries actually have a socialist system and America is advocating for subsidizing capitalism (which enables higher profits for those providing healthcare at the cost of those receiving healthcare)

Hopefully that makes sense. There is a reason the same pill costs 40$ a pill in the US while you can source the same chemical quantity for 40$ for a thousand if you can track down a country that produces the chemical. Think about the difference like figuring out how to get everyone to pay that 40$ a pill vs figuring out how to source the chemical quantity for what it actually costs to make.

[QUOTE=rumox;891072]Min wage in Australia is ~$39,197 a year, or $753 a week. $783 from that yearly income goes towards taxes for public health care. That equates to $15 a week of health insurance in the public sector. Min wage full time workers here are hardly impacted by the cost of public health care. We aren't even taxed for it until we earn $18,000. Then comes a surcharge for anyone earning over $90,000 and STILL are in the public healthcare system when they can easily afford private insurance actively enticing people to unclog the public sector. Also, the yearly amount for welfare recipients is ~$15,000. This is below the income threshold where citizens begin to pay tax towards public healthcare so they don't pay anything, yet they still receive it.

Public healthcare can easily be funded and provided. The quality of the care is another debate but with my experience with public healthcare - it's fine [B]and[/B] affordable. I have been on numerous different income stream rates and can atest to it personally. Yes there are wait times for non critical things, but if it's urgent you aren't going to be put on a wait list or be bankrupt.[/QUOTE]

One of the most significant things I think people confuse is the ideas of socialism vs subsidized capitalism.

Yes- Socialist healthcare can work. -But-

There is a HUGE difference from America pushing Insurance to subsidize capitalistic healthcare and an actual socialist system.

I really hate how people confuse the two. Like we in america can just spread the cost around through insurance and subsidization and it will somehow some way magically equate to a socialist system while we simultaneously allow for capitalistic profits.

Spreading the cost does not reduce the cost in any way. Socialist economy's are fundamentally different from capitalistic ones and subsidized capitalism is the least effective structure of healthcare I have herd of but its insanely advocated for because people do not understand how to tell the difference between a practice that supports spreading the burden of payment to hold unjustifiable price points with a total restructure of a healthcare system. They are not the same and I wish more people would advocate the difference.

Originally Posted by rumox

Min wage in Australia is ~$39,197 a year, or $753 a week. $783 from that yearly income goes towards taxes for public health care. That equates to $15 a week of health insurance in the public sector. Min wage full time workers here are hardly impacted by the cost of public health care. We aren't even taxed for it until we earn $18,000. Then comes a surcharge for anyone earning over $90,000 and STILL are in the public healthcare system when they can easily afford private insurance actively enticing people to unclog the public sector. Also, the yearly amount for welfare recipients is ~$15,000. This is below the income threshold where citizens begin to pay tax towards public healthcare so they don't pay anything, yet they still receive it.

Public healthcare can easily be funded and provided. The quality of the care is another debate but with my experience with public healthcare - it's fine and affordable. I have been on numerous different income stream rates and can atest to it personally. Yes there are wait times for non critical things, but if it's urgent you aren't going to be put on a wait list or be bankrupt.

One of the most significant things I think people confuse is the ideas of socialism vs subsidized capitalism.

Yes- Socialist healthcare can work. -But-

There is a HUGE difference from America pushing Insurance to subsidize capitalistic healthcare and an actual socialist system.

I really hate how people confuse the two. Like we in america can just spread the cost around through insurance and subsidization and it will somehow some way magically equate to a socialist system while we simultaneously allow for capitalistic profits.

Spreading the cost does not reduce the cost in any way. Socialist economy's are fundamentally different from capitalistic ones and subsidized capitalism is the least effective structure of healthcare I have herd of but its insanely advocated for because people do not understand how to tell the difference between a practice that supports spreading the burden of payment to hold unjustifiable price points with a total restructure of a healthcare system. They are not the same and I wish more people would advocate the difference.

I really didnt like this quiz. Every 5th question made me cringe and wish I could throw a lot of context into the situation. For example:
"Is oppression by corporations is more of a concern than oppression by governments."
How is there any difference when I believe I live in a Corporatocracy? Or at the very least some hybrid of a Plutocracy or Oligarchy. The oppression of the wealthy or corporation is one and the same when they control the government..
This is how I felt for a huge amount of the questions. It asks deep questions with the limitations of shallow answers which just sucks.

I get what its trying to do but there was also quite a few questions that felt loaded.

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Those were my results for whatever thats worth.

I really didnt like this quiz. Every 5th question made me cringe and wish I could throw a lot of context into the situation. For example:
"Is oppression by corporations is more of a concern than oppression by governments."
How is there any difference when I believe I live in a Corporatocracy? Or at the very least some hybrid of a Plutocracy or Oligarchy. The oppression of the wealthy or corporation is one and the same when they control the government..
This is how I felt for a huge amount of the questions. It asks deep questions with the limitations of shallow answers which just sucks.

I get what its trying to do but there was also quite a few questions that felt loaded.



Those were my results for whatever thats worth.