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**Firebringer** · July 16th, 2016, 03:48 AM

[vote]m-fm Mccree[/vote]

**Firebringer** · July 16th, 2016, 03:47 AM

Sigh i should have just followed my gut.

"Well since we both arent scum , we must be town!", right.

Lynch Mccree and Torb. Mccree for his pathetic display of endgame he just performed and torb for heavily defending his lynch yesterday.

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:43 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Hanzo;626156]Lucio and Mei visited me if that's a consolation.[/QUOTE]

not really.

Now i wonder what roles are so important that they were hidden from the roleclaim.
I also hate the fact other masons can't recruit when the omnic! ML died.

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:40 AM

We have a lookout and he has nothing to offer ??? after 6 nights come on now

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:38 AM

Hanzo you really don't strike me as a guy who's trying to help town if i'm honest, being very complacent. Same way you reminded me D1.

Has there even been an omnic spotted by a TI or has it all been reads ?

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:35 AM

Could you give me a quick summary of claims ?

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:34 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Torbjorn;626140]roadhog really seems like he's trying to solve the game[/QUOTE]

i'm glad you have discovered the optimal strategy for both town and scum in Mafia

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:34 AM

Has the mass roleclaim happened yet ?

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:32 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Hanzo;626130]Unknown.[/QUOTE]

Good to know , if you do flip scum this game i'd say it was masterfully played.

That being said my method of solving these puzzles is to gather all the info and try to found the most reasonable solution.
I'm afraid i have no info this game. And thanks to the 3role mechanic (truly i despise it) its almost impossible.

I went to check our Sheriff last wills and they are worthless aswell (lucio said he voted for his cit rolecard every night ???)

But reading through posts the person pinging me most right now is funnily enough Roadhog

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:25 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Hanzo;626126]I was on it as well.[/QUOTE]

What is your COM ?

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:25 AM

We just looked at the same thing.

Mccree and soldier were on the same other person

Roadhoag didn't vote.

I'd be somewhat saddened if i was a complete town lynch but i've only seen that once before.

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:23 AM

If you look at my lynch D1 the only people still alive are Rein and Torb, nobody in my train has flipped Scum so far.
Very weird

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:21 AM

I meant the push today,

also no defense is needed of my D1 lynch , i don't care for it. My role was out there and saw no point in continueing the game. I made myself an easy target so other players could get information from it.
The weird thing is no matter how much of an arrogant prick i became day 1 and my random vote at the start it took like 8 hours to finalize a train, which in itself gives info towards scum.

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:19 AM

I'd actually like to hear torb explain why soldier is in the scum team but not Mccree or anybody else

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:18 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Hanzo;626112]If I can get a quick summary, mind explaining why?[/QUOTE]

Mccree simply because i can't recall good things from D1 and i actually never see him at the crucial times when i checked this game.

Torb doesn't give me a genuine town feel.

I wish i could give you my usual big analysis but i simply don't have the data to back it up. Playing a gut game.

Torb wanting me off the mccree vote was also a weird demand. But L1 is a dangerous game

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:16 AM

I don't know who pushed the lynch on me but i feel i should look into him , call it OMGUS but scum should know i am an easy lynch because i don't show up.
And who pushed the Junkrat lynch ?

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:14 AM

I havnt paid attention , but as said i find Mccree scummy and Soldier was solid D1,
the architect chat the previous dude had with him seemed fine but i didn't read into it.
Find this a very boring setup tbh.

Mccree and Torb are on the list

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:13 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Zarya;626107]This game or in insanity ?[/QUOTE]

nvm i know the answer

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:13 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Hanzo;626105]It's hard to believe I almost lynched the same person twice O.O.[/QUOTE]

This game or in insanity ?

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:12 AM

[unvote]unvote[/unvote]

sure but i believe them to be town

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:11 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Hanzo;626101]I think I know who you are :P[/QUOTE]

I already claimed my COM

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:10 AM

As i said yesterday the junkrat lynch felt forced because the people on the train weren't town at all when i last read them.
So i'm happy with a mccree lynch

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:10 AM

I was playing Insanity and didn't expect this one to really need my attention

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:05 AM

err

[vote]m-fm mccree[/vote]

**Firebringer** · July 14th, 2016, 10:03 AM

My lynch would lose you the game but i believe we have mostly lost
as stated i was mason/cit/cit with tracer. I got replaced so i lost most of this game but i was FM Mercy, so i know D1.
All i can defend myself with since i have no clue what the previous guy did is that i was against the Junkrat lynch

[vote]M-FM McCree[/vote]

**Firebringer** · July 9th, 2016, 04:16 AM

I can start posting actively when i'm home from work.

What i will say is that we have to be careful with junkrat lynch. As i said the gut feeling i got about his 3 lynchers doesn't feel right.
And i feel like you should think about it. Even you Tracer considering if you weren't town you should have been lynched for MLing a doctor after fake claiming sheriff.
You are being to stubborn this game with your narrative.

Yesterday i was ready to hang junkrat but today i'm not sure , i wanna look at the VC of yesterday to see if they were also so heavy in favor of lynching him then.
And i'll have to check if he was defending zenyatta over the course of the game.

I'm back from work around 1-2AM GMT+1 aka 12 hours ish

**Firebringer** · July 8th, 2016, 04:10 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Tracer;623907]You say that three of your town-reads aren't voting, then you claim that Junkrat is in hammer range for scum which doesn't make sense for you to say as you claim your town-reads aren't voting. Only checks out if you scum-read Reinhardt which you haven't brought up and she can't hammer by herself.

Why would scum out themselves for a quicklynch when town has 1-2 MLs on their hands, anyway?

I expect nothing less than a full reads list + a case on your strongest scum-read (who isn't Junkrat) by EOD, by the by.[/QUOTE]

I'll work on it but if you expect anything impressive you are mistaken, i won't read the other days because its not my jon to lead the town as a day 5 replacement.
You have followed the game, i'm sure you can tell me whats up.

All i'm saying is that these guys have been relatively quiet yet now they are leading a train out of nowhere

**Firebringer** · July 8th, 2016, 03:54 AM

Just realised we aren't sure of the number of scum left. But still enough scum to hammer the vote if they are quick.

**Firebringer** · July 8th, 2016, 03:53 AM

I havnt read the day yet because i just got here but i'll say i'm slightly amazed at the vote counter atm ...

Hanzo Tracer and soldier who are my town reads do not have a vote.

Meanwhile Roadhog Mccree and Torb have their votes on Junkrat while i can't remember them ever leading trains.

Are the 3 scum just hoping for the easy lynch here ?

**Firebringer** · July 5th, 2016, 06:36 AM

I have a party to attend to in roughly 3 hours so i'll place my vote before i leave and i'll place it on zenyatta,
throughout the game i've gotten scumvibes and i'm interested to see his alignment.

Tomorrow i'll be looking to lynch Junkrat. I feel at this late in the game the scum will be starting to defend each other because if they
don't the trains are quickly made.

Tracer gives me a town feel together with soldier.

Roadhog i'm rereading, i feel like i need to read other days for him.

**Firebringer** · July 4th, 2016, 10:16 AM

"Something like having the 1st letter of your 1st post start with W if it worked, 1st letter of your 1st post starting with P if it didn't?
"

is the only one i see with ctrl f code

**Firebringer** · July 4th, 2016, 10:08 AM

[QUOTE=M-FM Tracer;622253]:wm:

Winston tried to kill Mei on D4

So how's the Mason thing going for ya? :p[/QUOTE]

How did nobody believe Mei was town after a solid D1 boys come on.

and its tight if you must know.

**Firebringer** · July 4th, 2016, 10:00 AM

Also , widowmaker with the omnic Mason ML flip. Wouldnt be a FB game without it.

**Firebringer** · July 4th, 2016, 09:59 AM

Well i see you really never believed Mei to be town , shame on you Calix.

most interesting one is Zenyatta in the list again. Who did Winston try to sword ?

**Firebringer** · July 4th, 2016, 09:38 AM

Well reading the last few pages i don't like Zenyatta and Junkrat.
But i'll need to read more to get a better impression of both.

My assault mode is citizen.

Also for my COM , bae i'm sure you'll figure it out.

**Firebringer** · July 4th, 2016, 09:23 AM

I'm a replacement, ofcourse i won't be able to read through 289 pages so you'll have to give me a summary.

**Firebringer** · June 30th, 2016, 06:17 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;620712]Fuck it.

[Vote]M-FM McCree[/vote]

This or Hanzo or Roadhog is where I want to vote today.[/QUOTE]
I'm townreading both McCree and Hanzo very heavily.
Join me on Roadhog pls?

**Firebringer** · June 30th, 2016, 05:54 PM

What does a blacksmith do?

**Firebringer** · June 30th, 2016, 05:47 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;620699]This is an assault based setup...[/QUOTE]
Huh?

**Firebringer** · June 30th, 2016, 05:41 PM

What about all of those PRs seems unlikely to you?
(I'm absolutely horrible with set-up related things so I don't know how much use I'm going to be here.)

**Firebringer** · June 30th, 2016, 05:19 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;620688]This setup looks hinky to me. Do you think all the PRs are viable?[/QUOTE]
Do we have a list of claims anywhere?

**Firebringer** · June 30th, 2016, 05:09 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Roadhog;620674]You cannot expect ANYONE to replace into a 5k post game. No one is going to be able to play your slot better than you can right now. Please give everyone else who's put time and effort into this game the respect of not having your slot modkilled.[/QUOTE]
If that's true I'll stick around, otherwise I'm out.

**Firebringer** · June 30th, 2016, 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Zarya;620666]I was planning to reply to the first person who called me out on it with something along the lines of "Have you considered that maybe I know exactly what I'm doing? I'll say no more about this.". Nearly managed to do that with Mercy's [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37075-M-FM-Overwatch?p=614821&viewfull=1#post614821"]1609[/URL] but the thread was locked before I could submit.[/QUOTE]
Actually that first bit isn't quite accurate because I know some people said stuff about it before Mercy but I didn't really feel the timing was right.

**Firebringer** · June 30th, 2016, 05:00 PM

Yeah, still having trouble with this game. Sorry guys. :wondering:

[b]@mod[/b] - replace me please.

No idea why Symmetra's voting me, and I'm too lazy to check.
Since the premature claim thing has come up before and whoever takes this slot won't be able to explain it if it comes up again in future: it was deliberate WIFOM I was hoping to use to get myself nightkilled. I was planning to reply to the first person who called me out on it with something along the lines of "Have you considered that maybe I know exactly what I'm doing? I'll say no more about this.". Nearly managed to do that with Mercy's [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/37075-M-FM-Overwatch?p=614821&viewfull=1#post614821"]1609[/URL] but the thread was locked before I could submit.
Probably could have gone down that road the day after but I wasn't really feeling it anymore.

Since I've pestered the mod about Zenyatta needing a modkill and she still hasn't been killed, a lynch there probably isn't a completely horrific idea anymore. I'd still much prefer you lynch Roadhog though.

Good luck town!

**Firebringer** · June 29th, 2016, 07:09 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Roadhog;619989]I assume Hanzo only claimed miller after being investigated?[/QUOTE]
It's Bulletproof though so claiming it right away sort-of ruins its purpose. That's not alignment indicative.

**Firebringer** · June 29th, 2016, 07:08 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619866]Lying to the town to coast and provide no content...lying to do things against the town...and you're going to just repeatedly ask me why that is scummy? Do you seriously not get that? He's lying to avoid scum hunting?

They're relevant to the points you made. You claimed his or excused avoiding content. It doesn't.

Bad logic to justify not scumhunting is very scum indicative.

You didn't miss his excuse for not giving content. You're townreading him for it.

How do you explain a sherriff, lookout, neighborhood, and whatever the fuck Mei is in the same setup?[/QUOTE]
Clearly there's nothing I can say to convince you at this point so I'll just end this discussion here for now.

Ugh. I'm finding it really hard to get into this game. I'm not great with this pace. Might replace out after all. Idk. I'll sleep on it again.

**Firebringer** · June 29th, 2016, 06:04 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619832]Why is breaking promises to avoid content scummy? There's the whole AVOIDING CONTENT by LYING.[/QUOTE]
Which is scummy how?

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619832]Reinhardt's results did not warrant the survivalistic nature he displayed.[/QUOTE]
Irrelevant to the points I made.

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619832]Really, paranoia over scumreading scum? By mr. Lurks a lot. Murdering him would be a scumclaim.[/QUOTE]
Bad logic is still not a scum tell.

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619832]It's another stall tactic.[/QUOTE]
If you're going to make an excuse for not providing content you don't imply that excuse so subtly that everyone misses it. You're reaching. Hard.

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619832]How do you explain setup balance?[/QUOTE]
What?

**Firebringer** · June 29th, 2016, 05:55 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619789]1) fuck yeah. Especially when those promises excuse providing content.[/QUOTE]
Okay, why?

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619789]2) yeah, how is X visited Y who did not die going to get him nked?[/QUOTE]
What does that have to do with anything?
The quote reads "At this moment I do not want to say who I would like to see lynched as I know there is no chance in hell this person is going to be lynched today.".
That reads as paranoia over getting killed for scumreading scum.

**Firebringer** · June 29th, 2016, 05:44 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619743]Yeah, how is "I promise not to lurk" and then lurking not a breaking of that promise?[/QUOTE]
It isn't. Are you trying to tell me that breaking promises is scummy?

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619743]and had good information.[/QUOTE]
That's not what I said. What matters is that it sounds like he [i]thought[/i] he had information that could potentially get him nightkilled; whether it actually would or not is an entirely different and irrelevant matter.

**Firebringer** · June 29th, 2016, 05:28 PM

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619690]Really? I see a promise not to lurk, a complaint about Tracer's spamming and zero follow up on either.[/QUOTE]
Cool. I don't.
Wanna actually point out what's wrong with my perspective rather than just giving yours with no explanation why it makes more sense than mine?

[QUOTE=M-FM Symmetra;619690]If he had information worth a nightkill over, he would have outed it long ago. Second, do you believe masons, a lookout and a sheriff are all town aligned in setup 1? The withholding seems more like a blatant excuse to avoid reads. Second, the results Reinhardt claimed don't match up with this motive. Scum haven't been outed by his claim.

Reinhardt claimed prematurely, which is inconsistent with sitting on reads to protect himself.

There's no scumhunting either.[/QUOTE]
I can't follow half of what you're saying here at all. Break it down a bit further and explain like I'm five?

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