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[QUOTE=TheDarkestLight;578916]Because math says so, there is no other reason.[/QUOTE]

I like how you are not even bothering to push against this. You just keep focusing on the idea of going for the TvS and town picking the wrong slot. You know your fucked bro. Just go belly up. No need for the nonsense.

Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight

Because math says so, there is no other reason.

I like how you are not even bothering to push against this. You just keep focusing on the idea of going for the TvS and town picking the wrong slot. You know your fucked bro. Just go belly up. No need for the nonsense.

[QUOTE=TheDarkestLight;578908]Oh joy, rather than lynch among the two contested players, you're going to lynch someone completely different.

I submitted Mass Murderer and got...

Mass Healer, basically the same thing but rather than killing I heal. So I'm OP as fuck, I can't be healed myself however unless I get a single successful heal, and after four successful heals I turn into a Citizen.

There you go guys. Maybe you won't be stupid and not lynch between the two conflicting people.[/QUOTE]

Why shoot 50/50 when you know you have a 100% lynch in front of you. If you really were town at the very least you would push your reasoning that "Orpz is obvious scum" at this point.

Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight

Oh joy, rather than lynch among the two contested players, you're going to lynch someone completely different.

I submitted Mass Murderer and got...

Mass Healer, basically the same thing but rather than killing I heal. So I'm OP as fuck, I can't be healed myself however unless I get a single successful heal, and after four successful heals I turn into a Citizen.

There you go guys. Maybe you won't be stupid and not lynch between the two conflicting people.

Why shoot 50/50 when you know you have a 100% lynch in front of you. If you really were town at the very least you would push your reasoning that "Orpz is obvious scum" at this point.

[QUOTE=Nicolas Cage;578905]I think someone should un-vote.[/QUOTE]

Nobody is going to quick hammer TDL. He is mafia and the neutral knows it.

Originally Posted by Nicolas Cage

I think someone should un-vote.

Nobody is going to quick hammer TDL. He is mafia and the neutral knows it.

Either cage or RLVG is scum but its something we can deal with tomorrow. Either Calette RB's the right player and nobody dies or she does not and 1 of us dies. If we die we can still buy another day by lynching OrpZedWorlds or we can decide between Cage and RLVG with the additional time to analyze and use night actions.

Either cage or RLVG is scum but its something we can deal with tomorrow. Either Calette RB's the right player and nobody dies or she does not and 1 of us dies. If we die we can still buy another day by lynching OrpZedWorlds or we can decide between Cage and RLVG with the additional time to analyze and use night actions.

[SIZE=3][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Cage Vs RLVG[/COLOR][/SIZE]
This is two slots who have both stayed out of the spotlight. Here are the situations:

Cage is town with a peek on scum RLVG- RLVG claims being viewed as scum while Cage claims Detective seeing RLVG kill tank. In this situation RLVG is scum who killed tank and Cage is town detective

Cage is scum trying to mislynch RLVG- Scum only needs this 1 bad lynch to win and scum cage used this to hard claim feedback and lock in their win. RLVG claimed a soft role which makes little sense for scum to claim in this situation.

Cage is town and RLVG is town- Pretty much impossible but it would require some kind of witch nonsense. I do not really consider this because its extremely unlikely and requires multiple night actions as well as going directly against what I hold to be true given reads of other players.

With this in mind Cage/RLVG is TvS.


[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][SIZE=3]Calette+Empathy+Me[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Empathy's role is 100% confirmed to me- He identified my role exactly and his check on me makes huge sense from a town perspective. By checking me he verify both myself and Calette. This is optimal use of his night action and townie as hell. In addition to that we have already gone over how he was semi mechanically confirmed town. Very strong town read.

Calette- Straight up town peek on her slot from my night action that was verified by Empathy. Pretty unquestionable but that aside her interactions today are heavily town. She is pushing in the right ways and providing original reasoning that has very low potential to come from a scum perspective. Confirmed town from my perspective

Me- I know I am town. I am not going to bother making a case : )

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][SIZE=3]Situation[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Short of Mafia killing Neutral tonight we have to correctly lynch or the game is over for us. Accepting that Empathy+Calette+Me are semi-confirmed town that leaves 3 scum in OrpZedWorlds+RLVG+TDL+Cage. Accepting that Cage+TDL is TvS there is a 50% chance between them but it also means that because Empathy+Calette+Me are semi-confirmed town that both OrpZedWorlds and TDL must both be scum. Now lets break those two down..

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][SIZE=3]OrpZedWorlds[/SIZE][/COLOR]

-Insane contradictions within the hydra. This is scummy because putting multiple scum in a slot makes it harder for them to keep their lies straight. Exactly who said what and why is challenging. On top of that they were voting a slot that 2/3 of the Hydra did not scum read. The only excuse for this is that the more passive heads allowed the more aggressive one to push the vote. And to be clear- this was a lynch push. Not a pressure push.
-Willingness to flip trains for a lynch in the event his current train did not pan out
-Blatant flailing on trial with a fake role claim to 'stay alive'
-Extreme survival focus in the night chat only focusing defensively justifying actions, taking reads on his slot into a tangent, and discrediting pushes against him
-Today even with a revealed night action against a player suggesting it is scum the slot chose to try to discredit the Calette+Empathy+Me group beguiling the situation. This is a critical lynch and the slots focus was to put more people into the lynch pool as opposed to locking down the most likely scum player.
-Gives me 20 more minutes to post with tons of time left when I say "Be careful because scum can hammer"

Survival focus + truckloads of non-town actions = Neutral

[SIZE=3][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]TheDarkestLight[/COLOR][/SIZE]

-Very opportunistic plays early on bidding for Empathy's loyalty and swapping reads under pressure. This is flat out a scum play that I pointed out in my first posts this game
-In night chat he basically called OrpZedWorlds super obvious scum but then pushed with OrpZedWorlds
-Today his focus has been on everything but the slot he called obvious scum the night prior. He has been pushing to break the town block and ignore the Cage vs RLVG situation in favor of insane tangents with weak reasoning.
-Also 'Town read' by OrpZedWorlds who is crazy obvious neutral
-Holds back vote so he can scum hammer

Contradictions+Super scummy day pushes with a desire to keep slots alive he scum reads and avoiding blatant information = Mafia

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][SIZE=3]Summary[/SIZE][/COLOR]
I really rushed this last bit on TDL because apparently I am on the clock by the neutral but in general Orpz is the neutral, TDL is Mafia and either Cage or RLVG is the 2nd mafia. I strongly believe our best course of action is to lynch TDL today especially given that Calette has the ability to RB. She has a 50/50 chance of preventing a NK tonight with this plan.

[vote]TheDarkestLight[/vote]

Cage Vs RLVG
This is two slots who have both stayed out of the spotlight. Here are the situations:

Cage is town with a peek on scum RLVG- RLVG claims being viewed as scum while Cage claims Detective seeing RLVG kill tank. In this situation RLVG is scum who killed tank and Cage is town detective

Cage is scum trying to mislynch RLVG- Scum only needs this 1 bad lynch to win and scum cage used this to hard claim feedback and lock in their win. RLVG claimed a soft role which makes little sense for scum to claim in this situation.

Cage is town and RLVG is town- Pretty much impossible but it would require some kind of witch nonsense. I do not really consider this because its extremely unlikely and requires multiple night actions as well as going directly against what I hold to be true given reads of other players.

With this in mind Cage/RLVG is TvS.


Calette+Empathy+Me

Empathy's role is 100% confirmed to me- He identified my role exactly and his check on me makes huge sense from a town perspective. By checking me he verify both myself and Calette. This is optimal use of his night action and townie as hell. In addition to that we have already gone over how he was semi mechanically confirmed town. Very strong town read.

Calette- Straight up town peek on her slot from my night action that was verified by Empathy. Pretty unquestionable but that aside her interactions today are heavily town. She is pushing in the right ways and providing original reasoning that has very low potential to come from a scum perspective. Confirmed town from my perspective

Me- I know I am town. I am not going to bother making a case : )

Situation

Short of Mafia killing Neutral tonight we have to correctly lynch or the game is over for us. Accepting that Empathy+Calette+Me are semi-confirmed town that leaves 3 scum in OrpZedWorlds+RLVG+TDL+Cage. Accepting that Cage+TDL is TvS there is a 50% chance between them but it also means that because Empathy+Calette+Me are semi-confirmed town that both OrpZedWorlds and TDL must both be scum. Now lets break those two down..

OrpZedWorlds

-Insane contradictions within the hydra. This is scummy because putting multiple scum in a slot makes it harder for them to keep their lies straight. Exactly who said what and why is challenging. On top of that they were voting a slot that 2/3 of the Hydra did not scum read. The only excuse for this is that the more passive heads allowed the more aggressive one to push the vote. And to be clear- this was a lynch push. Not a pressure push.
-Willingness to flip trains for a lynch in the event his current train did not pan out
-Blatant flailing on trial with a fake role claim to 'stay alive'
-Extreme survival focus in the night chat only focusing defensively justifying actions, taking reads on his slot into a tangent, and discrediting pushes against him
-Today even with a revealed night action against a player suggesting it is scum the slot chose to try to discredit the Calette+Empathy+Me group beguiling the situation. This is a critical lynch and the slots focus was to put more people into the lynch pool as opposed to locking down the most likely scum player.
-Gives me 20 more minutes to post with tons of time left when I say "Be careful because scum can hammer"

Survival focus + truckloads of non-town actions = Neutral

TheDarkestLight

-Very opportunistic plays early on bidding for Empathy's loyalty and swapping reads under pressure. This is flat out a scum play that I pointed out in my first posts this game
-In night chat he basically called OrpZedWorlds super obvious scum but then pushed with OrpZedWorlds
-Today his focus has been on everything but the slot he called obvious scum the night prior. He has been pushing to break the town block and ignore the Cage vs RLVG situation in favor of insane tangents with weak reasoning.
-Also 'Town read' by OrpZedWorlds who is crazy obvious neutral
-Holds back vote so he can scum hammer

Contradictions+Super scummy day pushes with a desire to keep slots alive he scum reads and avoiding blatant information = Mafia

Summary
I really rushed this last bit on TDL because apparently I am on the clock by the neutral but in general Orpz is the neutral, TDL is Mafia and either Cage or RLVG is the 2nd mafia. I strongly believe our best course of action is to lynch TDL today especially given that Calette has the ability to RB. She has a 50/50 chance of preventing a NK tonight with this plan.

-vote TheDarkestLight

Seriously. The scum can hammer so quick... be careful with that shit.

Seriously. The scum can hammer so quick... be careful with that shit.

Guys.. Please just don't put a stupid vote for a second. Give me time to wrap this up..

Guys.. Please just don't put a stupid vote for a second. Give me time to wrap this up..

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578852]Have you actually considered us to be on the chopping block?

~deathworlds[/QUOTE]

Yeah, You would have been an excellent D1 lynch. I regret giving you time when I flat out bet your claim was bullshit and we would end up lynching you today.

Anyways. I will post my slots proposed course of action in a bit. We have been chasing down possibilities in between distractions so its taking me a bit longer than it should.

-Helz

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

Have you actually considered us to be on the chopping block?

~deathworlds

Yeah, You would have been an excellent D1 lynch. I regret giving you time when I flat out bet your claim was bullshit and we would end up lynching you today.

Anyways. I will post my slots proposed course of action in a bit. We have been chasing down possibilities in between distractions so its taking me a bit longer than it should.

-Helz

[QUOTE=Calette;578837]I have no idea what +EV is

But me, you, and empathy are town. That means one town is left from the other four.

Neutral is prob Orpz

Scum is TDL+Nic/RLVG

TDL honestly feels like the safest lynch to peg scum.[/QUOTE]

+EV is better than expected value taking into consideration mechanical clears, and night actions for mechanical clears.

-EV is basically suboptimal play.

Originally Posted by Calette

I have no idea what +EV is

But me, you, and empathy are town. That means one town is left from the other four.

Neutral is prob Orpz

Scum is TDL+Nic/RLVG

TDL honestly feels like the safest lynch to peg scum.

+EV is better than expected value taking into consideration mechanical clears, and night actions for mechanical clears.

-EV is basically suboptimal play.

@Cage
What are your thoughts on TDL?

-Helz

@Cage
What are your thoughts on TDL?

-Helz

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[COLOR="#DDA0DD"]2 lurkers, reveal yourselves. I know you're not Hell Frog.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Maybe it's my fault when I switch between accounts. I just hopped over to Frog for a couple of minutes.

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

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2 lurkers, reveal yourselves. I know you're not Hell Frog.

Maybe it's my fault when I switch between accounts. I just hopped over to Frog for a couple of minutes.

I speed read, but i haven't seen more than 2 votes on any player so far exlucding calette/empathy/hell frog votes, correct?

I speed read, but i haven't seen more than 2 votes on any player so far exlucding calette/empathy/hell frog votes, correct?

Don't go for second best! Put your love to the test! Lol - this bar song

Don't go for second best! Put your love to the test! Lol - this bar song

@Calette - thanks for clarification

This is Frog, and was Frog.

@Empathy @Ika @Silverwolf

We need to concensus - thoughts on +EV lynches?

@Calette - thanks for clarification

This is Frog, and was Frog.

@Empathy @Ika @Silverwolf

We need to concensus - thoughts on +EV lynches?

Yeah. Putting a bunch of shit together. I do have one very specific question

@Calette
Would you favor a TDL lynch over a RLVG lynch?

Yeah. Putting a bunch of shit together. I do have one very specific question

@Calette
Would you favor a TDL lynch over a RLVG lynch?

@Empathy - Silverwolf/Ika
@Calette - Calix/Toadette

We need to come up with a concensus and we think this can lock it.

1) Calette - after your night chat with RLVG, how confident are you on the slot V/W?

@Empathy - Silverwolf/Ika
@Calette - Calix/Toadette

We need to come up with a concensus and we think this can lock it.

1) Calette - after your night chat with RLVG, how confident are you on the slot V/W?

after chatting, we think there's an easy way to clear this up. Helz will explain, i dont know which of us is more drunk, but i'll defer to Helz

-Frog

after chatting, we think there's an easy way to clear this up. Helz will explain, i dont know which of us is more drunk, but i'll defer to Helz

-Frog

@Calix- Watch your comms...

@Calix- Watch your comms...

[QUOTE=RLVG;578723]Shitty host meta is fucking shitty.

In this same logic, why can't Nic Cage be scum for having that 1v1 gladiator ability?[/QUOTE]

This is something I considered. A detective is a pretty strong role, Gladiator ability is a pretty strong utility. Its an odd pairing but that is host meta..[QUOTE=Empathy17;578724]do you realize with your won logic you rpesent that tdl still falls in every set you list?[/QUOTE]

Yup. And I have been looking at that slot sense my very first posts in this game. We still should not just jump to a lynch in this situation. We have time.

Originally Posted by RLVG

Shitty host meta is fucking shitty.

In this same logic, why can't Nic Cage be scum for having that 1v1 gladiator ability?

This is something I considered. A detective is a pretty strong role, Gladiator ability is a pretty strong utility. Its an odd pairing but that is host meta..

Originally Posted by Empathy17

do you realize with your won logic you rpesent that tdl still falls in every set you list?

Yup. And I have been looking at that slot sense my very first posts in this game. We still should not just jump to a lynch in this situation. We have time.

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578721]I've been spending a lot of time chasing the logic tree. You+Me+Empathy+Calette as the town team is incredibly weird, because it means TDL+RLVG+Cage are the scum/neut. Only sensible way of out that is Cage/RLVG are opposite teams. I could see RLVG as a neutral amnesiac faking town and Cage as gambiting.

Alternative hypothesis:
Say I somehow accept you as town. Calette automatically town. Empathy, however, isn't mechanically cleared by anyone; a role cop on scum seems quite feasible. TDL is focused hard on you; let's say he's exec for now. Then that leaves last scum as RLVG/Cage. Between them, I'd say Cage has the honest detective lead, and RLVG is bullshitting amnesiac.

It really is better for town if we play this game publicly instead of keeping it to ourselves.

-Matt[/QUOTE]

Yeah, You are right. There is still some potential of empathy being scum but I really doubt it. I won't consider him for a lynch today at all. It should be You, TDL, Cage or RLVG.

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

I've been spending a lot of time chasing the logic tree. You+Me+Empathy+Calette as the town team is incredibly weird, because it means TDL+RLVG+Cage are the scum/neut. Only sensible way of out that is Cage/RLVG are opposite teams. I could see RLVG as a neutral amnesiac faking town and Cage as gambiting.

Alternative hypothesis:
Say I somehow accept you as town. Calette automatically town. Empathy, however, isn't mechanically cleared by anyone; a role cop on scum seems quite feasible. TDL is focused hard on you; let's say he's exec for now. Then that leaves last scum as RLVG/Cage. Between them, I'd say Cage has the honest detective lead, and RLVG is bullshitting amnesiac.

It really is better for town if we play this game publicly instead of keeping it to ourselves.

-Matt

Yeah, You are right. There is still some potential of empathy being scum but I really doubt it. I won't consider him for a lynch today at all. It should be You, TDL, Cage or RLVG.

[QUOTE=Empathy17;578719][vote]thedarkestlight[/vote]

lets ust lynch this and be done withn it he basicly falls in every triangle of sucm that we have listed right now[/QUOTE]

I would rather take our time with this. Even with a 75% chance we can still loose with that 25% and there is 3 scum in play to manipulate this vote. Be careful with your vote bro

If we assume that the Cage+RLVG situation is TvS and there are 3 scum out of Cage, TDL, Orpz, and RLVG then it strongly suggest that both TDL and Orpz must be scum.

-Helz

Originally Posted by Empathy17

-vote thedarkestlight

lets ust lynch this and be done withn it he basicly falls in every triangle of sucm that we have listed right now

I would rather take our time with this. Even with a 75% chance we can still loose with that 25% and there is 3 scum in play to manipulate this vote. Be careful with your vote bro

If we assume that the Cage+RLVG situation is TvS and there are 3 scum out of Cage, TDL, Orpz, and RLVG then it strongly suggest that both TDL and Orpz must be scum.

-Helz

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578712]About how long until you finish your first ISO, if that's actually what you're doing?

-Matt[/QUOTE]

Sometime before days end. And straight up I am having trouble not throwing out the Cage vs RLVG situation in favor of just lynching you. Everything in me constantly draws back to scum reading you and I do have quite a bit of faith in my ability to read players. You are straight up retarded if you think Calette, Empathy or myself could be scum. I would chase that logic tree down but its been thrown around enough already. Why don't you do something useful like analyzing the Cage vs RLVG situation instead of trying to cast doubt on the most likely town players in a lynch or loose situation? You are very literally focusing on all the wrong shit. Frog keeps saying its game because there is a 3 player town block with 4 players outside of it and 3 scum alive. This means that if we blind lynched we would be shooting at 75%. [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]The only way you are town is if both Cage and RLVG are scum.[/COLOR]

-Helz

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

About how long until you finish your first ISO, if that's actually what you're doing?

-Matt

Sometime before days end. And straight up I am having trouble not throwing out the Cage vs RLVG situation in favor of just lynching you. Everything in me constantly draws back to scum reading you and I do have quite a bit of faith in my ability to read players. You are straight up retarded if you think Calette, Empathy or myself could be scum. I would chase that logic tree down but its been thrown around enough already. Why don't you do something useful like analyzing the Cage vs RLVG situation instead of trying to cast doubt on the most likely town players in a lynch or loose situation? You are very literally focusing on all the wrong shit. Frog keeps saying its game because there is a 3 player town block with 4 players outside of it and 3 scum alive. This means that if we blind lynched we would be shooting at 75%. The only way you are town is if both Cage and RLVG are scum.

-Helz

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578702]So, you have a clear on a town player and you've been holding this back for the first 24 hours of LYLO because...? What would town actually gain from spending an extra 24 hours of possibly trying to put a train on someone you can clear?

-Matt[/QUOTE]

Alright, I will reveal. Theres really no sense in holding it back now. I did not reveal the other peek because it is dead.

The train was Tank+Me+Calette on TDL @ post 353. Results were that there were 0 scum. We did crumb it a few times. Post 410 Frog said it with something about vote counts. My end of D1 reads list reflected it and I pretty much flat out claimed it in post #717
[QUOTE=Hell Frog;577687]Helz Here.

I left because I wanted to pass out. It was like 1 or 2 AM last night and I had been hitting that bottle pretty good. You can try to twist that shit into a scum tell if you want to but I don't give a fuck how you read me. This is still my thoughts.

You have 3 experienced heads in that Hydra yet you have done zero real scum hunting. When flat out asked to point out a single scum tell last night you avoided the question. I never said "Detailed scum reads" I just asked you to specifically give reasoning for any read. Your slot is constantly throwing shit around like "This player is my top XXXXX read" but there is never any reasoning with it. All you have done is push on Empathy while saying all kinds of conflicting bullshit about how you guys read the slot. If 2/3 of your hydra town reads the slot why the hell would you allow your 3rd to push on it? That is just batshit insane.
In a word- I do see tons of scummy behavior from your slot and I also agree with Frog that Empathy pretty much can't be team scum. Heres your unvote just because of your role claim, but if you are lying I am going to be all over your ass again tomorrow.
[unvote][/unvote]
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]I will not be willing to vote either Calette or Tank today[/COLOR].[/QUOTE]

Hopefully this will clear that up beyond any shadow of a doubt but I could go more into interactions. I am working up some ISO's right now so I am not really looking to push hard for more interactions. It would be great if you were actually analyzing players instead of trying to paint them as scummy but thats just your prerogative as as scum so w/e

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

So, you have a clear on a town player and you've been holding this back for the first 24 hours of LYLO because...? What would town actually gain from spending an extra 24 hours of possibly trying to put a train on someone you can clear?

-Matt

Alright, I will reveal. Theres really no sense in holding it back now. I did not reveal the other peek because it is dead.

The train was Tank+Me+Calette on TDL @ post 353. Results were that there were 0 scum. We did crumb it a few times. Post 410 Frog said it with something about vote counts. My end of D1 reads list reflected it and I pretty much flat out claimed it in post #717

Originally Posted by Hell Frog

Helz Here.

I left because I wanted to pass out. It was like 1 or 2 AM last night and I had been hitting that bottle pretty good. You can try to twist that shit into a scum tell if you want to but I don't give a fuck how you read me. This is still my thoughts.

You have 3 experienced heads in that Hydra yet you have done zero real scum hunting. When flat out asked to point out a single scum tell last night you avoided the question. I never said "Detailed scum reads" I just asked you to specifically give reasoning for any read. Your slot is constantly throwing shit around like "This player is my top XXXXX read" but there is never any reasoning with it. All you have done is push on Empathy while saying all kinds of conflicting bullshit about how you guys read the slot. If 2/3 of your hydra town reads the slot why the hell would you allow your 3rd to push on it? That is just batshit insane.
In a word- I do see tons of scummy behavior from your slot and I also agree with Frog that Empathy pretty much can't be team scum. Heres your unvote just because of your role claim, but if you are lying I am going to be all over your ass again tomorrow.

-unvote

I will not be willing to vote either Calette or Tank today.

Hopefully this will clear that up beyond any shadow of a doubt but I could go more into interactions. I am working up some ISO's right now so I am not really looking to push hard for more interactions. It would be great if you were actually analyzing players instead of trying to paint them as scummy but thats just your prerogative as as scum so w/e

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578703]Go ahead and explain yourself, Hell Frog. I'll be waiting.

-Matt[/QUOTE]

lmfao. you don't get it. You're 75% likely to flip scum. You get zero answers. Wolf hunt or get lynched.

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

Go ahead and explain yourself, Hell Frog. I'll be waiting.

-Matt

lmfao. you don't get it. You're 75% likely to flip scum. You get zero answers. Wolf hunt or get lynched.

Or I should say, 'IF' I had another peek

Or I should say, 'IF' I had another peek

[QUOTE=MattZed;578680]While we're sorting all of this out:

[COLOR="#DDA0DD"]Hell Frog, please confirm or disconfirm what Empathy said about your role: That you are a Wagon Cop, that you used your ability D1 on a wagon that only had Calette on it, and that you detected there was no scum on the wagon.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Helz Here

I have already said we are a Wagon Sensor. We did use our ability D1 but it was on a wagon that had Calette + _____ on it and yes, There was no scum on that wagon.
Also, We do detect Neutral as Scum. Although it is not stated in the role card.
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Would a Wagon Sensor detect a Neutral alignment as a scum player[/COLOR] (Just so its clear)

If you guys really want I can reveal the exact shit but I was kind holding it for a bit. Wanted to keep scum from jumping up and saying "This guy is mafia" because they are not sure exactly who my other peek was.

Originally Posted by MattZed

While we're sorting all of this out:

Hell Frog, please confirm or disconfirm what Empathy said about your role: That you are a Wagon Cop, that you used your ability D1 on a wagon that only had Calette on it, and that you detected there was no scum on the wagon.

Helz Here

I have already said we are a Wagon Sensor. We did use our ability D1 but it was on a wagon that had Calette + _____ on it and yes, There was no scum on that wagon.
Also, We do detect Neutral as Scum. Although it is not stated in the role card.
Would a Wagon Sensor detect a Neutral alignment as a scum player (Just so its clear)

If you guys really want I can reveal the exact shit but I was kind holding it for a bit. Wanted to keep scum from jumping up and saying "This guy is mafia" because they are not sure exactly who my other peek was.

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578695]You're literally asking for it, and you need to start talking more. Repeating over and over that the game is solved without actually making it so is not how town should play LYLO.

[vote]Hell Frog[/vote]
Why do you keep saying Wolf hunt? Scum in this game are called mafia.

We're at LYLO and trying to PoE every role together. Everyone trying to figure out this game should be at least considering who the neut is; that's a third person who has no incentive to be telling us the truth right now, and if we're going to be figuring out what to do today, we need to know who might just be lying their asses off.

-Matt[/QUOTE]

BAHAHAHAHA. This should be easy now. :-)

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

You're literally asking for it, and you need to start talking more. Repeating over and over that the game is solved without actually making it so is not how town should play LYLO.

-vote Hell Frog

Why do you keep saying Wolf hunt? Scum in this game are called mafia.

We're at LYLO and trying to PoE every role together. Everyone trying to figure out this game should be at least considering who the neut is; that's a third person who has no incentive to be telling us the truth right now, and if we're going to be figuring out what to do today, we need to know who might just be lying their asses off.

-Matt

BAHAHAHAHA. This should be easy now. :-)

[QUOTE=Nicolas Cage;578691]Tbh I agree with OZW.

Stop constantly hiding and avoiding answering.[/QUOTE]

short answer - read my posts again. I already confirmed Empathy's NA, I already confirmed Calette is never a lynch. It's all in the open.

Long Answer - try ISO

Originally Posted by Nicolas Cage

Tbh I agree with OZW.

Stop constantly hiding and avoiding answering.

short answer - read my posts again. I already confirmed Empathy's NA, I already confirmed Calette is never a lynch. It's all in the open.

Long Answer - try ISO

[QUOTE=Nicolas Cage;578689]@ Empathy17 & RLVG

Did it state you where a miller in your rolecard?[/QUOTE]

I read they both stated they would show up as scum

Originally Posted by Nicolas Cage

@ Empathy17 & RLVG

Did it state you where a miller in your rolecard?

I read they both stated they would show up as scum

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578686]Frankly, I'd like you to confirm that the three things I said are true.


Could you please stop acting like private information only you have clears people?

Calette has confirmed she used a night chat ability on TDL last night. Seeming more neut by the hour.

-Matt[/QUOTE]

Why don't you vote right now and find out?

Also, why are you neutral hunting? Wolf hunt.

Meh, Helz wants to reveal.

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

Frankly, I'd like you to confirm that the three things I said are true.


Could you please stop acting like private information only you have clears people?

Calette has confirmed she used a night chat ability on TDL last night. Seeming more neut by the hour.

-Matt

Why don't you vote right now and find out?

Also, why are you neutral hunting? Wolf hunt.

Meh, Helz wants to reveal.

I'm working through why Empathy would action my slot, which was pretty badass.

Why would this not be town?
Empathy wanted to confirm my role breadcrumbs that created a chain. I think it's not not town, I think they used their role very effectively. I mean, even if they wanted to pocket our slot, we were already pocketed via mechanics, so it'd be completely unnecessary. Empathy is pretty much a never lynch.

I'm working through why Empathy would action my slot, which was pretty badass.

Why would this not be town?
Empathy wanted to confirm my role breadcrumbs that created a chain. I think it's not not town, I think they used their role very effectively. I mean, even if they wanted to pocket our slot, we were already pocketed via mechanics, so it'd be completely unnecessary. Empathy is pretty much a never lynch.

Well... Empathy is basically mechanically cleared, but pretty much out of the POE. Calette is never a lynch.

Well... Empathy is basically mechanically cleared, but pretty much out of the POE. Calette is never a lynch.

[QUOTE=MattZed;578680]While we're sorting all of this out:

[COLOR="#DDA0DD"]Hell Frog, please confirm or disconfirm what Empathy said about your role: That you are a Wagon Cop, that you used your ability D1 on a wagon that only had Calette on it, and that you detected there was no scum on the wagon.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

You wanna take a guess? We aren't lynching Empathy or Calette. I'd like to see your reasoning otherwise.

Originally Posted by MattZed

While we're sorting all of this out:

Hell Frog, please confirm or disconfirm what Empathy said about your role: That you are a Wagon Cop, that you used your ability D1 on a wagon that only had Calette on it, and that you detected there was no scum on the wagon.

You wanna take a guess? We aren't lynching Empathy or Calette. I'd like to see your reasoning otherwise.

Frog here, checking in. sorry i've been so afk. just too fucking low to have the motivation to play. Helz should be able to lock the game now for what it's worth. Again, sorry for my shitty contribution.

Frog here, checking in. sorry i've been so afk. just too fucking low to have the motivation to play. Helz should be able to lock the game now for what it's worth. Again, sorry for my shitty contribution.

One very safe assumption for today is that either Nicolas Cage or RLVG is scum. This is something we have to dig into. Scum have no reason not to put themselves in a 1v1 situation given that if they pull off a lynch on town the game is pretty much over.

One very safe assumption for today is that either Nicolas Cage or RLVG is scum. This is something we have to dig into. Scum have no reason not to put themselves in a 1v1 situation given that if they pull off a lynch on town the game is pretty much over.

Please unvote for a bit. This is lynch or loose and 1 hammer could end the game. I am here but holding off for a bit before I drop my info. I will reveal that Empathy's peek on me is correct. But please be very conservative with your votes.

Please unvote for a bit. This is lynch or loose and 1 hammer could end the game. I am here but holding off for a bit before I drop my info. I will reveal that Empathy's peek on me is correct. But please be very conservative with your votes.

[QUOTE=Spearheading Female Tank;578173]We're here in the bedroom while the scum pretend they aren't scum in the living room.

By the by, I'm having some real booze (and hopefully some real ladies) tonight, and then I'll be out for most of the day tomorrow, so I'll just leave this here:
[SIZE=5][COLOR="#EE82EE"]Tomorrow's lynch should be Calette.[/COLOR][/SIZE]:toadette:
Calette and Hell Frog will try to paint OrpZedWorlds as the best lynch target, due to the lies. OrpZedWorlds are the neutral. Don't allow them to manipulate you with that.

Optionally, if we have a Vig, Calette could use a bullet between their eyes.
If we have a roleblocker, go for Hell Frog.

We should be able to win either way, but having a useful flip tonight would certainly help.

Those are my suggestions. Do whatever the fuck you want as long as you're dancing and drinking.
[hr][/hr]
I'll leave you in the hands of GameFreak and Paladin.
Have a good weekend.

[video=youtube;IMDSey7EKEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMDSey7EKEc[/video][/QUOTE]

I am starting to consider Tank as a 3rd scum..

Originally Posted by Spearheading Female Tank

We're here in the bedroom while the scum pretend they aren't scum in the living room.

By the by, I'm having some real booze (and hopefully some real ladies) tonight, and then I'll be out for most of the day tomorrow, so I'll just leave this here:
Tomorrow's lynch should be Calette.
Calette and Hell Frog will try to paint OrpZedWorlds as the best lynch target, due to the lies. OrpZedWorlds are the neutral. Don't allow them to manipulate you with that.

Optionally, if we have a Vig, Calette could use a bullet between their eyes.
If we have a roleblocker, go for Hell Frog.

We should be able to win either way, but having a useful flip tonight would certainly help.

Those are my suggestions. Do whatever the fuck you want as long as you're dancing and drinking.

---

I'll leave you in the hands of GameFreak and Paladin.
Have a good weekend.

I am starting to consider Tank as a 3rd scum..

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578217]It gave us a flip that, if nothing else, made Empathy's claim seem a LOT more credible.

Back to part of a previous post of yours:

Yeah, no, you don't get to shit on the only train going if you don't have an alternative course of action in mind. In the final hours of day, [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]all you did was prod people to do the real work.[/COLOR]

You can say you didn't like the lynch, but that's worth shit unless you actually try to stop it. If you were actually town and had a better idea on what to do, you'd have been leading it. Call that lynch on Funcall what you want, you [I]let[/I] the train build, and when the lynch almost didn't happen, you ensured it did.

-Matt[/QUOTE]

Ok. This is straight up bullshit. I did not put in the work? Of the 3 real trains in that day I quarterbacked 2 of them. I dug through posts and I presented reasoning that players agreed with. It put both you and TDL to L1 (With TDL getting fake lynched which arguably saved him.) Even though I scum read TDL I still expressed anger at the fact he was lynched when he was. My reasoning at the time was nowhere near strong enough to justify a full lynch ESPECIALLY with 24 hours left in the day. Don't tell me I am taking a piss and making others do the leg work in this game. That is objectively fucked in 9 ways.

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

It gave us a flip that, if nothing else, made Empathy's claim seem a LOT more credible.

Back to part of a previous post of yours:

Yeah, no, you don't get to shit on the only train going if you don't have an alternative course of action in mind. In the final hours of day, all you did was prod people to do the real work.

You can say you didn't like the lynch, but that's worth shit unless you actually try to stop it. If you were actually town and had a better idea on what to do, you'd have been leading it. Call that lynch on Funcall what you want, you let the train build, and when the lynch almost didn't happen, you ensured it did.

-Matt

Ok. This is straight up bullshit. I did not put in the work? Of the 3 real trains in that day I quarterbacked 2 of them. I dug through posts and I presented reasoning that players agreed with. It put both you and TDL to L1 (With TDL getting fake lynched which arguably saved him.) Even though I scum read TDL I still expressed anger at the fact he was lynched when he was. My reasoning at the time was nowhere near strong enough to justify a full lynch ESPECIALLY with 24 hours left in the day. Don't tell me I am taking a piss and making others do the leg work in this game. That is objectively fucked in 9 ways.

[QUOTE=TheDarkestLight;578164]If Calette flips town, you ARE NOT cleared unless somehow their role says that you are.

Reasoning being? Because of course the scum will know who to call Town. A scum will know exactly who to call town and then "claim" that they knew from before.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Calette showed up dead and you used it as some pathetic excuse to clear yourself.[/QUOTE]

You are forgetting perspective. From my slots perspective Empathy, Calette, and Myself are all town. This is what Frog was saying. Believe me or don't but it does not matter. Your scum buddy will die soon enough. We have not quite figured out if you two are on the same team or if you were able to confirm yourself to etch other but I am sure we will. I am not going to dig into you hardcore until tomorrow. If you want to keep that from happening kill me but our last will will present the same case for us unless you really want me to open up in this night chat.

Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight

If Calette flips town, you ARE NOT cleared unless somehow their role says that you are.

Reasoning being? Because of course the scum will know who to call Town. A scum will know exactly who to call town and then "claim" that they knew from before.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Calette showed up dead and you used it as some pathetic excuse to clear yourself.

You are forgetting perspective. From my slots perspective Empathy, Calette, and Myself are all town. This is what Frog was saying. Believe me or don't but it does not matter. Your scum buddy will die soon enough. We have not quite figured out if you two are on the same team or if you were able to confirm yourself to etch other but I am sure we will. I am not going to dig into you hardcore until tomorrow. If you want to keep that from happening kill me but our last will will present the same case for us unless you really want me to open up in this night chat.

Well Frog said Confirmed with the exception of something. I say Semi-Confirmed. Same shit

Well Frog said Confirmed with the exception of something. I say Semi-Confirmed. Same shit

Ok. I see it. Post #991

Quoted the wrong post. That was me on this hydra (Helz) but 100% meant to quote OrpzZedWorlds in that comment. As we have been saying you are semi-confirmed via mechanical analysis town. My bad.

Ok. I see it. Post #991

Quoted the wrong post. That was me on this hydra (Helz) but 100% meant to quote OrpzZedWorlds in that comment. As we have been saying you are semi-confirmed via mechanical analysis town. My bad.

[QUOTE=Empathy17;578208]Here's where you said it to us?

~SW[/QUOTE]

I said that to OrpZedWorlds

Originally Posted by Empathy17

Here's where you said it to us?

~SW

I said that to OrpZedWorlds

Kinda game unrelated but I legit believe that our community is top 10 of the mafia communities out there. We are able to work with complex setups and mechanics that are found nowhere else and have a ton of very skilled players. I just get mad when I see such blatant bad play and I know for a fucking fact there is so many skilled players in this game. Sure that lynch had scum in it but still. It was an awful play in every single sense of the word. We are better than that and there is no excuse for us pulling that kind of trash.

Kinda game unrelated but I legit believe that our community is top 10 of the mafia communities out there. We are able to work with complex setups and mechanics that are found nowhere else and have a ton of very skilled players. I just get mad when I see such blatant bad play and I know for a fucking fact there is so many skilled players in this game. Sure that lynch had scum in it but still. It was an awful play in every single sense of the word. We are better than that and there is no excuse for us pulling that kind of trash.

[QUOTE=Empathy17;578206]Yeah, well look at the fact that funcall played scummy, didn't hardly post, and didn't come in here and even defend themselves or claim. If you have a problem with it, fight the lynch sooner and give your lecture sooner.

Also, explain why you called us the neutral with a communication role? You don't sign your hydras so I have no idea who is who.

~SW[/QUOTE]

I did give that lecture sooner. But apparently was not mean enough for it to stick out. I even quoted the posts of me doing so in this very night chat.

I don't think my slot ever said you were a neutral with a communication role and I know for a fact I never said as much. I originally suggested it half way through D1 hinting at the fact that the host told me Neutrals knew their alignment prior to picking a role. The communication part of it came from my belief that a neutral would pick a communication role. It would allow them to confirm their role which is very useful for scum as well as allow them to create a block with the mafia insulating them from a night kill and locking in their win condition. Its the optimal neutral role. This is something I revealed right after the day was extended D1

Originally Posted by Empathy17

Yeah, well look at the fact that funcall played scummy, didn't hardly post, and didn't come in here and even defend themselves or claim. If you have a problem with it, fight the lynch sooner and give your lecture sooner.

Also, explain why you called us the neutral with a communication role? You don't sign your hydras so I have no idea who is who.

~SW

I did give that lecture sooner. But apparently was not mean enough for it to stick out. I even quoted the posts of me doing so in this very night chat.

I don't think my slot ever said you were a neutral with a communication role and I know for a fact I never said as much. I originally suggested it half way through D1 hinting at the fact that the host told me Neutrals knew their alignment prior to picking a role. The communication part of it came from my belief that a neutral would pick a communication role. It would allow them to confirm their role which is very useful for scum as well as allow them to create a block with the mafia insulating them from a night kill and locking in their win condition. Its the optimal neutral role. This is something I revealed right after the day was extended D1

Straight up. I don't want to be a dick head but this is basic shit. Think before you act. If you are going to do something like kill a slot think about how it will help your win con regardless of its flip. Random lynches are only a good idea when the flip provides information on the train the following day. This lynch killed a powerful town role and gave us fucking nothing

Straight up. I don't want to be a dick head but this is basic shit. Think before you act. If you are going to do something like kill a slot think about how it will help your win con regardless of its flip. Random lynches are only a good idea when the flip provides information on the train the following day. This lynch killed a powerful town role and gave us fucking nothing

[QUOTE=Calette;577898]1 hour. I'll hammer the lynchbait.

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Intent to hammer Funcall.[/COLOR][/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheDarkestLight;577901]Nothing else to say really, I'd be happy to hammer a well.[/QUOTE]
2 people willing to hammer when the slot is at L1[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;577914][B][COLOR="#FF0000"]-vote Funcall[/COLOR][/B]

No can do. Hammer time!

t. Orpz[/QUOTE]
Slot unvoted then fake hammered expressing interest in hammering. I read this and was correct as shown here[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578086][3/31/2016 8:34:20 PM] MZ: Hamemring now.
[3/31/2016 8:35:08 PM] me: LOL
[3/31/2016 8:35:12 PM] MZ: Damn, Frog beat me
[3/31/2016 8:35:19 PM] me: Hell Frog cucked both you and Calette
[3/31/2016 8:35:35 PM] MZ: This is what I get for waiting 20 seconds to let you object.
[3/31/2016 8:35:46 PM] me: I had no objections
[3/31/2016 8:35:56 PM] MZ: YOU DIDN’T SAY THAT.[/QUOTE]
And here I hammer
[QUOTE=Hell Frog;577925]Nah. You guys dont get to do something fucking retarded like lynch an AFK and pretend its ok because you waited a few more minutes. Fuck that dumb shit


HAMMMAAAAAHHHHH JACKKKKEEDDDDD


[vote]FunCall[/vote][/QUOTE]

One thing I love about the hammer is that post is what is seen by everyone that looks at the forum until chat opens again. I saw that the slot was going to be hammered no matter what even if 1 player backed out and I jumped on it with less than 5 mins left in the day. Reference my previous games and you will find I sometimes go agro on everyone for lynches even if they flip scum when its a shit play. This was 100% a fucking terrible play regardless of what the flip was and I wanted to make the town feel straight up ashamed of themselves for doing this bullshit. Totally irrelevant of if it flipped scum or not it was shit and I am pissed about it. Even if that slot flipped scum I would be pissed about it. This is not how town should lynch players. The entire concept of a D1 lynch is based on good players ability to identify scum tells D1 or information gained from the lynch to be used in later days. The former was not the case what so ever at all and the ladder is only really true in larger games AND if players give reasoning with their votes.

So yeah. Fuck that lynch and I stole that fucking hammer : )

Originally Posted by Calette

1 hour. I'll hammer the lynchbait.

Intent to hammer Funcall.

Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight

Nothing else to say really, I'd be happy to hammer a well.

2 people willing to hammer when the slot is at L1

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

-vote Funcall

No can do. Hammer time!

t. Orpz

Slot unvoted then fake hammered expressing interest in hammering. I read this and was correct as shown here

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

[3/31/2016 8:34:20 PM] MZ: Hamemring now.
[3/31/2016 8:35:08 PM] me: LOL
[3/31/2016 8:35:12 PM] MZ: Damn, Frog beat me
[3/31/2016 8:35:19 PM] me: Hell Frog cucked both you and Calette
[3/31/2016 8:35:35 PM] MZ: This is what I get for waiting 20 seconds to let you object.
[3/31/2016 8:35:46 PM] me: I had no objections
[3/31/2016 8:35:56 PM] MZ: YOU DIDN’T SAY THAT.

And here I hammer

Originally Posted by Hell Frog

Nah. You guys dont get to do something fucking retarded like lynch an AFK and pretend its ok because you waited a few more minutes. Fuck that dumb shit


HAMMMAAAAAHHHHH JACKKKKEEDDDDD

-vote FunCall

One thing I love about the hammer is that post is what is seen by everyone that looks at the forum until chat opens again. I saw that the slot was going to be hammered no matter what even if 1 player backed out and I jumped on it with less than 5 mins left in the day. Reference my previous games and you will find I sometimes go agro on everyone for lynches even if they flip scum when its a shit play. This was 100% a fucking terrible play regardless of what the flip was and I wanted to make the town feel straight up ashamed of themselves for doing this bullshit. Totally irrelevant of if it flipped scum or not it was shit and I am pissed about it. Even if that slot flipped scum I would be pissed about it. This is not how town should lynch players. The entire concept of a D1 lynch is based on good players ability to identify scum tells D1 or information gained from the lynch to be used in later days. The former was not the case what so ever at all and the ladder is only really true in larger games AND if players give reasoning with their votes.

So yeah. Fuck that lynch and I stole that fucking hammer : )

Btw. Helz here

Btw. Helz here

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578187]I would very much like Hell Frog to answer this.[/QUOTE]

Sure. Give me a second. Doing stuffs and shit but I will respond with quotes even though I think its a retarded point

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

I would very much like Hell Frog to answer this.

Sure. Give me a second. Doing stuffs and shit but I will respond with quotes even though I think its a retarded point

[QUOTE=OrpZedWorlds;578163]TDL had a completely valid point: You opposed the Mike lynch as low-hanging fruit, but then you hammered at last minute when it seemed we just might let it float by. You get to follow that up by saying "I told you so?" You don't get to call us on anything when you're the hammer voter.

We're 5v2v1 right now, likely 4v2v1 in the morning. Scum only needs one more mislynch, and you're going for the easiest target you can paint. We were an uncoordinated hydra D1, and now you're just taking the easy pickings. "I told you so" = "You should have listened to me and lynched the Orpz hydra... let's do that now." Following up on your first readwall and just sticking to it is the easiest thing you can go for. I know both of you are better players as town than to never deviate from an initial readwall.

And then there's this:


Your "clears" are yourself, someone your rolecard allegedly cleared, and then the person no one in their right mind would think was a scum claiming miller. And then, you act surprised people haven't come to your same conclusion, which uses two clears that no one other than you could even in principal have?

The game isn't "locked" and you know it. If you were town, you'd have realized that even if your suspicions were right, you need to convince the rest of the town that your information is valid. Instead, you're just sitting here acting as if Fire himself told everyone you and Calette were town and that EVERYONE SHOULD STOP TRYING. Seriously, what? NIGHT 1 has hardly begun, and you're trying to talk people out of trying to play D2. There is no way this is town Helz/Frog.

-Matt[/QUOTE]

TLDR - flail hard

Originally Posted by OrpZedWorlds

TDL had a completely valid point: You opposed the Mike lynch as low-hanging fruit, but then you hammered at last minute when it seemed we just might let it float by. You get to follow that up by saying "I told you so?" You don't get to call us on anything when you're the hammer voter.

We're 5v2v1 right now, likely 4v2v1 in the morning. Scum only needs one more mislynch, and you're going for the easiest target you can paint. We were an uncoordinated hydra D1, and now you're just taking the easy pickings. "I told you so" = "You should have listened to me and lynched the Orpz hydra... let's do that now." Following up on your first readwall and just sticking to it is the easiest thing you can go for. I know both of you are better players as town than to never deviate from an initial readwall.

And then there's this:


Your "clears" are yourself, someone your rolecard allegedly cleared, and then the person no one in their right mind would think was a scum claiming miller. And then, you act surprised people haven't come to your same conclusion, which uses two clears that no one other than you could even in principal have?

The game isn't "locked" and you know it. If you were town, you'd have realized that even if your suspicions were right, you need to convince the rest of the town that your information is valid. Instead, you're just sitting here acting as if Fire himself told everyone you and Calette were town and that EVERYONE SHOULD STOP TRYING. Seriously, what? NIGHT 1 has hardly begun, and you're trying to talk people out of trying to play D2. There is no way this is town Helz/Frog.

-Matt

TLDR - flail hard

im drunk as fuck now too -frog

anything goes. game is locked. lmfao. #wolfflail

im drunk as fuck now too -frog

anything goes. game is locked. lmfao. #wolfflail