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Contrary to popular belief, I am actually a person who gets offended rather easily, and often times I come to the conclusion that I am unreasonable doing so. Most things are just jokes; treat them as such. Nuff said

Contrary to popular belief, I am actually a person who gets offended rather easily, and often times I come to the conclusion that I am unreasonable doing so. Most things are just jokes; treat them as such. Nuff said

I'm talking about sc2mafia and people spamming n**ger

I'm talking about sc2mafia and people spamming n**ger

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;925637]“Yeah, me being as purposefully offensive as possible is definitely not a problem. It’s not a problem that I’m trying to make people as mad as possible. The fact that you’re mad that I’m being a piece of shit is your problem, not mine. Fucking virgin.”[/QUOTE]
This is probably a better argument than "racism". At least it's more honest, which already makes it a better argument.

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

“Yeah, me being as purposefully offensive as possible is definitely not a problem. It’s not a problem that I’m trying to make people as mad as possible. The fact that you’re mad that I’m being a piece of shit is your problem, not mine. Fucking virgin.”

This is probably a better argument than "racism". At least it's more honest, which already makes it a better argument.

My hot take:

People have problems that they create for themselves. This does not make them "bad" and doesn't necessarily make them stupid. Some people just watch too much TV.
That being said, I do believe there is nothing wrong with saying the n word or pedo stuff, especially in SC2Mafia, which is a very trolly place.

My hot take:

People have problems that they create for themselves. This does not make them "bad" and doesn't necessarily make them stupid. Some people just watch too much TV.
That being said, I do believe there is nothing wrong with saying the n word or pedo stuff, especially in SC2Mafia, which is a very trolly place.

I agree 100% with it

I agree 100% with it

[QUOTE=ohheyitsjolo;925509]Getting offended is a choice. :)[/QUOTE]
This is sig worthy

Originally Posted by ohheyitsjolo

Getting offended is a choice.

This is sig worthy

[QUOTE=Renegade;925234]It is the same underlying principle. That being:

stupid excuses for bullshit.

You shouldn't be offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently taking issue with this behavior is a "mental problem", actually it is the reverse.[/QUOTE]
People create these "mental problems" themselves. I didn't say people were crazy lol

Originally Posted by Renegade

It is the same underlying principle. That being:

stupid excuses for bullshit.

You shouldn't be offended!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apparently taking issue with this behavior is a "mental problem", actually it is the reverse.

People create these "mental problems" themselves. I didn't say people were crazy lol

[QUOTE=theoneceko;925104]this has nothing to do with blizzard lmao. just aami, mostache and auwt.[/QUOTE]
Not sure what your problem with the last two is. They're pretty cool. :shrug:

Originally Posted by theoneceko

this has nothing to do with blizzard lmao. just aami, mostache and auwt.

Not sure what your problem with the last two is. They're pretty cool. :shrug:

as much as I disagree with Auwt at least he seems sincere. :shrug:

as much as I disagree with Auwt at least he seems sincere. :shrug:

[QUOTE=LagAttack;925394]Look at that, #10 out of the aforementioned 14 has joined the thread.

You use racial slurs in mafia more often than 98.7% of the playerbase, so your opinion that your behavior is a part of "internet culture" is certainly not reflective of SC2 Mafia culture as you are a far outlier there.

Actually, the fact that you consider frequent use of racial slurs and casual racism to be a part of "internet culture" speaks a lot to the parts of the internet that you frequent.

===

But I have to ask, why are you posting here? Defending your perceived right to use racial slurs and casual racism in game? What are you looking to gain?

I've played many game with you before, I've seen you in plenty of games just playing like a regular player - no racism, no slurs, just good fun.
Actually scratch that, most games I've seen you in, you play significantly better than the average player - so I know you're able to do it - able to play normally sans racism.

So I have to ask, what are you looking to gain here? Do you feel wronged for being punished for a behavior you thought was allowed?
If that's the case, I hold no grudge with you - I just don't want to see slurs, racism, or hateful speech in game. If you were genuinely apologetic, recognized that hateful speech is harmful, if you were looking to discontinue using it in game, and if you were looking to discourage others (rather than encouraging them like I've seen you do) from using hateful speech... then I would be the first person to advocate for your watchlists to be appealed.

But that's obviously not why you're here, as you defend your racial slur usage by saying it's okay because you "hate everyone equally"

[B][COLOR=#ff0000]I do hope you change your mind though, and if you do, please let me know so I can be the first to advocate on your behalf.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]
Wow, maybe you should become his lawyer too!
You could work out a contract!
Kappa

Originally Posted by LagAttack

Look at that, #10 out of the aforementioned 14 has joined the thread.

You use racial slurs in mafia more often than 98.7% of the playerbase, so your opinion that your behavior is a part of "internet culture" is certainly not reflective of SC2 Mafia culture as you are a far outlier there.

Actually, the fact that you consider frequent use of racial slurs and casual racism to be a part of "internet culture" speaks a lot to the parts of the internet that you frequent.

===

But I have to ask, why are you posting here? Defending your perceived right to use racial slurs and casual racism in game? What are you looking to gain?

I've played many game with you before, I've seen you in plenty of games just playing like a regular player - no racism, no slurs, just good fun.
Actually scratch that, most games I've seen you in, you play significantly better than the average player - so I know you're able to do it - able to play normally sans racism.

So I have to ask, what are you looking to gain here? Do you feel wronged for being punished for a behavior you thought was allowed?
If that's the case, I hold no grudge with you - I just don't want to see slurs, racism, or hateful speech in game. If you were genuinely apologetic, recognized that hateful speech is harmful, if you were looking to discontinue using it in game, and if you were looking to discourage others (rather than encouraging them like I've seen you do) from using hateful speech... then I would be the first person to advocate for your watchlists to be appealed.

But that's obviously not why you're here, as you defend your racial slur usage by saying it's okay because you "hate everyone equally"

I do hope you change your mind though, and if you do, please let me know so I can be the first to advocate on your behalf.

Wow, maybe you should become his lawyer too!
You could work out a contract!

I'm not sure if that's valid. For example, consider the case of the Christian bakeries that refused to bake cakes for gay people. The only reason the Supreme Court affirmed their right to refuse service is because of freedom of religion. What they did is otherwise absolutely illegal; they were providing a public service, and as such the people they were refusing service to were protected under the constitution.

I think that yes, it would technically be illegal for someone to be banned from a "forum" on the Internet (unless that forum is a private thing with private membership - like a club or something). The only difference between those and e.g. discord is that discord has more users, but legally that does not matter. However, I doubt that any court would prosecute.

I'm not sure if that's valid. For example, consider the case of the Christian bakeries that refused to bake cakes for gay people. The only reason the Supreme Court affirmed their right to refuse service is because of freedom of religion. What they did is otherwise absolutely illegal; they were providing a public service, and as such the people they were refusing service to were protected under the constitution.

I think that yes, it would technically be illegal for someone to be banned from a "forum" on the Internet (unless that forum is a private thing with private membership - like a club or something). The only difference between those and e.g. discord is that discord has more users, but legally that does not matter. However, I doubt that any court would prosecute.

Lmao
I mean any public forum. Online or otherwise.
You should probably change your name to oops. There's little difference between the two of you at this point :)

Lmao
I mean any public forum. Online or otherwise.
You should probably change your name to oops. There's little difference between the two of you at this point

Yes, but freedom of speech does not apply to a private game.
(it's debatable if it applies to a public forum.)

Yes, but freedom of speech does not apply to a private game.
(it's debatable if it applies to a public forum.)

[QUOTE=LagAttack;925310]Your inability to understand why people would take issue with the behavior you describe illustrates a profound lack of empathy.

And if this understanding is something you struggle to grasp, then I regret to inform you:

You are woefully underqualified to participate in a discussion on the topic.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't. I'm Jewish and it doesn't bother me in the game when people throw antisemitic remarks :P

Originally Posted by LagAttack

Your inability to understand why people would take issue with the behavior you describe illustrates a profound lack of empathy.

And if this understanding is something you struggle to grasp, then I regret to inform you:

You are woefully underqualified to participate in a discussion on the topic.

No it doesn't. I'm Jewish and it doesn't bother me in the game when people throw antisemitic remarks :P

I was wondering how long it would take you to get here.

I was wondering how long it would take you to get here.

[QUOTE=rumox;925294]Mmm yes attacking the point by saying the people who do not like it are ACHTUALY saying they think the people saying these things are ACHTUALY real rapists and racists. What the fuck is wrong with you? This is so besides the point being put forward I have no other way to take it other than you ignoring the point.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh no that's not what I said, actually. It's that them spamming pedo stuff IS NOT them raping your kids. It's literally that simple. People just choose to insert mental blocks in their minds for whatever reason.

Originally Posted by rumox

Mmm yes attacking the point by saying the people who do not like it are ACHTUALY saying they think the people saying these things are ACHTUALY real rapists and racists. What the fuck is wrong with you? This is so besides the point being put forward I have no other way to take it other than you ignoring the point.

Uhhh no that's not what I said, actually. It's that them spamming pedo stuff IS NOT them raping your kids. It's literally that simple. People just choose to insert mental blocks in their minds for whatever reason.

Free speech is a bad argument; it's too philosophical. I'm of the opinion that when people resort to such arguments it shows that they don't really have anything else to fall back on.
Meanwhile the point I brought up is entirely logical, and in fact has nothing to do with free speech. It's just like, if some random dude on Sc2Mafia says he's going to rape your kids, well... sorry, but he's not raping them :shrug:

Free speech is a bad argument; it's too philosophical. I'm of the opinion that when people resort to such arguments it shows that they don't really have anything else to fall back on.
Meanwhile the point I brought up is entirely logical, and in fact has nothing to do with free speech. It's just like, if some random dude on Sc2Mafia says he's going to rape your kids, well... sorry, but he's not raping them :shrug:

I ignore the point? Is that why I'm attacking the point in my literal first argument? :D

I ignore the point? Is that why I'm attacking the point in my literal first argument?

I love it how 3 different ppl have made the same argument against the same point I didn't even bring up. :smile:

I love it how 3 different ppl have made the same argument against the same point I didn't even bring up.

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;925268]everything else aside how is hacking "free speech" @[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=45595"]Oberon[/URL][/QUOTE]
Hackers usually out roles.

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

everything else aside how is hacking "free speech" @Oberon

Hackers usually out roles.

Not really. Gamethrowing, griefing and hacking are 100% "free speech" yet we ban them.
There's nothing wrong with taking issue with pedophilia and racism in general, but uh... people trolling in Arcade game? If you throw a racist/pedophile/homophobic joke it doesn't mean you're "oppressing" black people/abusing kids/oppressing gays. It is just a joke. :shrug:

Not really. Gamethrowing, griefing and hacking are 100% "free speech" yet we ban them.
There's nothing wrong with taking issue with pedophilia and racism in general, but uh... people trolling in Arcade game? If you throw a racist/pedophile/homophobic joke it doesn't mean you're "oppressing" black people/abusing kids/oppressing gays. It is just a joke. :shrug:

[QUOTE=Oberon;925218]I can't even begin to understand why what someone names themself in the game is an issue. I said this before with regards to the pedophilia spam, and I'll say it again. It seems to me people just created a mental problem for themselves wherein they see "spams racist stuff/says the n-word" -> encourages/(commits! even) racism/pedophilia. Throwing racist/pedophilia jokes/quips/ect does not mean you are committing either of those things... you are not raping children by naming yourself "I RAPE KIDS" or whatever.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I can make my point more succinctly than this, and if I did, I would just be repeating myself. My argument has nothing to do with free speech. As you both made arguments against a point I didn't make, I'm going to leave it at that.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I can't even begin to understand why what someone names themself in the game is an issue. I said this before with regards to the pedophilia spam, and I'll say it again. It seems to me people just created a mental problem for themselves wherein they see "spams racist stuff/says the n-word" -> encourages/(commits! even) racism/pedophilia. Throwing racist/pedophilia jokes/quips/ect does not mean you are committing either of those things... you are not raping children by naming yourself "I RAPE KIDS" or whatever.

I don't think I can make my point more succinctly than this, and if I did, I would just be repeating myself. My argument has nothing to do with free speech. As you both made arguments against a point I didn't make, I'm going to leave it at that.

[QUOTE=Renegade;925225]It is degeneracy at its most disgusting and I don't want to play a game with griefers who spam that shit.

Yeah yeah libertarian freeze peach yada yada nobody cares. People need to learn how to function in society, in the real world, and grow up from this shit.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t say anything about free speech. :D

Originally Posted by Renegade

It is degeneracy at its most disgusting and I don't want to play a game with griefers who spam that shit.

Yeah yeah libertarian freeze peach yada yada nobody cares. People need to learn how to function in society, in the real world, and grow up from this shit.

I didn’t say anything about free speech.

I can't even begin to understand why what someone names themself in the game is an issue. I said this before with regards to the pedophilia spam, and I'll say it again. It seems to me people just created a mental problem for themselves wherein they see "spams racist stuff/says the n-word" -> encourages/(commits! even) racism/pedophilia. Throwing racist/pedophilia jokes/quips/ect does not mean you are committing either of those things... you are not raping children by naming yourself "I RAPE KIDS" or whatever.

I can't even begin to understand why what someone names themself in the game is an issue. I said this before with regards to the pedophilia spam, and I'll say it again. It seems to me people just created a mental problem for themselves wherein they see "spams racist stuff/says the n-word" -> encourages/(commits! even) racism/pedophilia. Throwing racist/pedophilia jokes/quips/ect does not mean you are committing either of those things... you are not raping children by naming yourself "I RAPE KIDS" or whatever.

[QUOTE=Renegade;925151]Except when it was from the CHOOOO clan. "This report is 3 weeks old, too old -> ignored"[/QUOTE]
I can't believe you're still going off about that. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Renegade

Except when it was from the CHOOOO clan. "This report is 3 weeks old, too old -> ignored"

I can't believe you're still going off about that. :shrug:

Renegade I see you're in skwirl, can you actually find any instance of any "coordination" in the discord?

Renegade I see you're in skwirl, can you actually find any instance of any "coordination" in the discord?

[QUOTE=OzyWho;925114]The map uses music illegally already technically speak, along with countless other SC2 maps.
That's a [I]real[/I] juridical issue imho, and if that hasn't gotten the map banned then I don't think bigotry will.

Things will be different once SC2 gets under the same Blizzard branch that governs WC3. Then SC2 Arcade will be same as that of WC3 - basically dead. :laugh:[/QUOTE]
tru

Originally Posted by OzyWho

The map uses music illegally already technically speak, along with countless other SC2 maps.
That's a real juridical issue imho, and if that hasn't gotten the map banned then I don't think bigotry will.

Things will be different once SC2 gets under the same Blizzard branch that governs WC3. Then SC2 Arcade will be same as that of WC3 - basically dead.

tru

[QUOTE=Renegade;925112]Wow. Yeah skwirl is another griefer clan formed around the same time as so called "CHOOOO" who floods games with their clann members and then coordinates.

Goofy[/QUOTE]
... lol

Originally Posted by Renegade

Wow. Yeah skwirl is another griefer clan formed around the same time as so called "CHOOOO" who floods games with their clann members and then coordinates.

Goofy

... lol

[QUOTE=theoneceko;925109]Nah dude I’ve a right to be pissed, and I’ll keep on being a jackass just to spite the assholes in Skwirl (no longer publicly on this site) who bullied us both for about a year but are fucking hunky-dory on this site because they’re all fucking moderators[/QUOTE]
They're just idiots. :shrug:
If you let those kinds of things get to you, what are you gonna do when something truly tragic happens?
Besides. Everyone trolls a little, but if you try to see things from "their" perspective - to be honest, some people just have so much noise in their head that they have to "prove" they're not racist by calling you a racist. I don't think it's totally malicious. And even if it is, what good is it to take it so seriously? If you just think of people as idiots first and foremost and only then assholes, even if you're wrong, who cares? At least you're not letting some dumb thing someone said on the Internet get to you needlessly.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

Nah dude I’ve a right to be pissed, and I’ll keep on being a jackass just to spite the assholes in Skwirl (no longer publicly on this site) who bullied us both for about a year but are fucking hunky-dory on this site because they’re all fucking moderators

They're just idiots. :shrug:
If you let those kinds of things get to you, what are you gonna do when something truly tragic happens?
Besides. Everyone trolls a little, but if you try to see things from "their" perspective - to be honest, some people just have so much noise in their head that they have to "prove" they're not racist by calling you a racist. I don't think it's totally malicious. And even if it is, what good is it to take it so seriously? If you just think of people as idiots first and foremost and only then assholes, even if you're wrong, who cares? At least you're not letting some dumb thing someone said on the Internet get to you needlessly.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;925106]Because the "muted" users can talk in this map but can't in others?
Other than that, it's just another one of 1000+ other SC2 maps.[/QUOTE]
I'm just wondering. Blizzard might not be too happy to have "racism" in their game. Honestly you never know. What if someone gets reported for using a racist name, but we say "that's not against the rules", and then they report the map - and say that [I]we[/I] are racist? Maybe SC2Mafia could get "banned" from the Arcade. We're already breaking Terms of Service. Imagine if we broke Terms of Service and supported systemic racism on top of it! lol

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Because the "muted" users can talk in this map but can't in others?
Other than that, it's just another one of 1000+ other SC2 maps.

I'm just wondering. Blizzard might not be too happy to have "racism" in their game. Honestly you never know. What if someone gets reported for using a racist name, but we say "that's not against the rules", and then they report the map - and say that we are racist? Maybe SC2Mafia could get "banned" from the Arcade. We're already breaking Terms of Service. Imagine if we broke Terms of Service and supported systemic racism on top of it! lol

[QUOTE=theoneceko;925101]I honestly don’t care anymore and am just following the general trend the U.S. is going in. This site is becoming another Pokemon Showdown, I know because I just received my first infraction and am about to get banned.

I don’t give a shit, mods just do your fucking thing pls

I don’t know why it’s so hard for ppl to accept that others have different values. Fuck this thread and the shitstorm it will cause. Fuck Marshmallow Marsh for negative-repping me because “I’m anti-politics yet am aggressive on that very matter.”[/QUOTE]
You know it might be better if you calmed down a little. People on this site (which, the problem is with the entire Internet, not just this site in particular) aren't out to get you specifically; there is some malice involved but most of it is just plain old stupidity.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

I honestly don’t care anymore and am just following the general trend the U.S. is going in. This site is becoming another Pokemon Showdown, I know because I just received my first infraction and am about to get banned.

I don’t give a shit, mods just do your fucking thing pls

I don’t know why it’s so hard for ppl to accept that others have different values. Fuck this thread and the shitstorm it will cause. Fuck Marshmallow Marsh for negative-repping me because “I’m anti-politics yet am aggressive on that very matter.”

You know it might be better if you calmed down a little. People on this site (which, the problem is with the entire Internet, not just this site in particular) aren't out to get you specifically; there is some malice involved but most of it is just plain old stupidity.

I wonder if this isn't a problem on Blizzard's end rather than ours. In that, SC2Mafia could have a problem with Blizzard directly if they didn't ban these people.

I wonder if this isn't a problem on Blizzard's end rather than ours. In that, SC2Mafia could have a problem with Blizzard directly if they didn't ban these people.