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[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;932389]You seem to

EDIT: Yes, by being a belligerent asshole you are definitely holding him accountable. Where did I go so wrong?[/QUOTE]

Ah, everyone's favourite white knight is here to challenge my intellect.

I told you I don't give a shit who enters or leaves SC2 Mafia arcade. What I do give a shit about is this man's integrity where he says he's leaving, but he's still here like a metastasized cancer. Do you understand that now? Jesus, so you're those people who failed the academic English stream in high school.

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

You seem to

EDIT: Yes, by being a belligerent asshole you are definitely holding him accountable. Where did I go so wrong?

Ah, everyone's favourite white knight is here to challenge my intellect.

I told you I don't give a shit who enters or leaves SC2 Mafia arcade. What I do give a shit about is this man's integrity where he says he's leaving, but he's still here like a metastasized cancer. Do you understand that now? Jesus, so you're those people who failed the academic English stream in high school.

Well, good thing you're just a retired mod because you can't tell me what to do!

[SIZE=7]ZZOrange / Honest Man doesn't deserve this and should leave this entire community (forums and arcade) posthaste.[/SIZE]

Well, good thing you're just a retired mod because you can't tell me what to do!

ZZOrange / Honest Man doesn't deserve this and should leave this entire community (forums and arcade) posthaste.

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;932382]Why are you so bothered by him posting? He’s banned, you can move on and spend less time worrying about him. Continuing to respond to him is giving him more reason to stick around.[/QUOTE]

Because he said "goodbye", which is supposed to be a definitive farewell for any native English speaker. You know when everyone says their goodbyes and leaves the party? This is a guy who left the house but is still on premise watching you through the windows. I feel extremely upset and violated with this shitty player still being here. So that's why I'm confronting this two-facedness to 1) shit on his legacy, 2) highlight what a douchecanoe he is, and 3) call him out on his two-facedness.

I'm just making him accountable that when he says goodbye, he actually leaves. [url="https://youtu.be/VHm28NKfMDI"]This is an example of what I'm talking about.[/url]

But here we are with two people here, LagAttack and Oberon, to defend this miscreant's character as if that mattered. He is/was more of a net-negative than a net-positive and anyone who isn't a mouthbreather knows this.

[QUOTE=Varcron;932383]I think some people misinterpreted his post as leaving the site rather than the game.


Since he still plays FM on the site, but is unable to play the mod due to a permaban.[/QUOTE]

LOL, so he's not leaving the site? Why on earth did this warrant a goodbye post for arcade? No one gives a shit who enters or leaves there.

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

Why are you so bothered by him posting? He’s banned, you can move on and spend less time worrying about him. Continuing to respond to him is giving him more reason to stick around.

Because he said "goodbye", which is supposed to be a definitive farewell for any native English speaker. You know when everyone says their goodbyes and leaves the party? This is a guy who left the house but is still on premise watching you through the windows. I feel extremely upset and violated with this shitty player still being here. So that's why I'm confronting this two-facedness to 1) shit on his legacy, 2) highlight what a douchecanoe he is, and 3) call him out on his two-facedness.

I'm just making him accountable that when he says goodbye, he actually leaves. This is an example of what I'm talking about.

But here we are with two people here, LagAttack and Oberon, to defend this miscreant's character as if that mattered. He is/was more of a net-negative than a net-positive and anyone who isn't a mouthbreather knows this.

Originally Posted by Varcron

I think some people misinterpreted his post as leaving the site rather than the game.


Since he still plays FM on the site, but is unable to play the mod due to a permaban.

LOL, so he's not leaving the site? Why on earth did this warrant a goodbye post for arcade? No one gives a shit who enters or leaves there.

[QUOTE=ZZorange;932373]It was a post for the people I could no longer play the actual game with my guy. I also always played to win so I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest.[/QUOTE]

So? That still doesn't explain why you're here five days later. So why are you still here? Leave!

[QUOTE=Oberon;932374]I was looking at an old replay today and ZZorange was in it. He helped me Lynch an evil (with no leads, just a d2 random), whereas the rest of the town was just kinda... idk dumb? Also I had a default name and didn't get targeted.[/QUOTE]

WTF is this nonsense? Of course you don't react to random accusations with no leads. Everyone acted rationally to avoid newbie exec claims.

Originally Posted by ZZorange

It was a post for the people I could no longer play the actual game with my guy. I also always played to win so I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest.

So? That still doesn't explain why you're here five days later. So why are you still here? Leave!

Originally Posted by Oberon

I was looking at an old replay today and ZZorange was in it. He helped me Lynch an evil (with no leads, just a d2 random), whereas the rest of the town was just kinda... idk dumb? Also I had a default name and didn't get targeted.

WTF is this nonsense? Of course you don't react to random accusations with no leads. Everyone acted rationally to avoid newbie exec claims.

[QUOTE=ZZorange;932366]blah blah blah[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected. Your post here talked a lot more than LagAttack, but didn't say anything of value.

[quote]When you have people reporting you for things like when they executed you n1 as Jailor, or reporting you for gamethrowing a game that you won, and these reports are actually taken seriously, you tend to get permabanned.
[/quote]

I don't know, have you tried not breaking the rules? I don't and I've never been reported. People don't get accused of stealing if they never stole in the first place.

[quote]In an ideal world, joke reports would be met with joke responses, but most of these joke reports are taken as if they were real reports. In most of the threads you can see "He was also reported 2 other times" and other such comments by AAmirus and others.
[/quote]

The admins do a fantastic job and I 100% support their efforts in keeping this mentally ill, bottom-of-the-barrel community tolerable. Without the hard work they do, no one would be playing this game with a bunch of racists, trolls, and cheaters like you. They treat every report seriously, which is better than what some local police departments do.

[quote]
It also helps when you have a dedicated group of players attempting to get you banned constantly reporting you for nearly every game you lose on grounds of gamethrowing so they can get their rocks off. [/quote]

Persecution complex! If you don't break any rules, then their reports aren't legitimate to warrant a penalty for you!!

[quote]Like I said though others like LagAttack read the gimmick and just played around it and it's entirely that a gimmick. If everyone played the game like I did it would absolutely be boring I have no doubt about that, but that's a very unlikely scenario. [/quote]

"Yo are you maf?"
"yes"
"LYNCH HIM!"

Anyone who has any kind of foresight can see that from miles away.

[quote]blah blah blah[/quote]

You know how you could've avoided this? Stop playing like a troll and play normally to win. Again, preventable numerous times and something you should've picked up on in the last 4 months in 3 reports, but people like you are too foolish to learn from their lessons. Removing you from the player pool was a wise decision because now the average IQ of the remaining 199 player base has increased by 0.35 points to 120.

Also, when are you going to leave? LMAO at a 'goodbye' post but still coming back for another 5 days later to follow up. [url="https://youtu.be/-1ubyNK3xIk"]Reminds me of this video.[/url]

Originally Posted by ZZorange

blah blah blah

I stand corrected. Your post here talked a lot more than LagAttack, but didn't say anything of value.

When you have people reporting you for things like when they executed you n1 as Jailor, or reporting you for gamethrowing a game that you won, and these reports are actually taken seriously, you tend to get permabanned.

I don't know, have you tried not breaking the rules? I don't and I've never been reported. People don't get accused of stealing if they never stole in the first place.

In an ideal world, joke reports would be met with joke responses, but most of these joke reports are taken as if they were real reports. In most of the threads you can see "He was also reported 2 other times" and other such comments by AAmirus and others.

The admins do a fantastic job and I 100% support their efforts in keeping this mentally ill, bottom-of-the-barrel community tolerable. Without the hard work they do, no one would be playing this game with a bunch of racists, trolls, and cheaters like you. They treat every report seriously, which is better than what some local police departments do.

It also helps when you have a dedicated group of players attempting to get you banned constantly reporting you for nearly every game you lose on grounds of gamethrowing so they can get their rocks off.

Persecution complex! If you don't break any rules, then their reports aren't legitimate to warrant a penalty for you!!

Like I said though others like LagAttack read the gimmick and just played around it and it's entirely that a gimmick. If everyone played the game like I did it would absolutely be boring I have no doubt about that, but that's a very unlikely scenario.

"Yo are you maf?"
"yes"
"LYNCH HIM!"

Anyone who has any kind of foresight can see that from miles away.

blah blah blah

You know how you could've avoided this? Stop playing like a troll and play normally to win. Again, preventable numerous times and something you should've picked up on in the last 4 months in 3 reports, but people like you are too foolish to learn from their lessons. Removing you from the player pool was a wise decision because now the average IQ of the remaining 199 player base has increased by 0.35 points to 120.

Also, when are you going to leave? LMAO at a 'goodbye' post but still coming back for another 5 days later to follow up. Reminds me of this video.

[QUOTE=LagAttack;932355]And after his most recent permaban -> appeal, my town winrate with ZZorange was notably higher than my baseline town winrate. He was an easily confirmable town slot as all I had to do to find out if he was town was ask him if he was town. If he says he yes, then he's town. If he doesn't say yes, then he's not town. When I rolled town gov (which was pretty often because I prefer that role), he was an asset as he would be essentially a confirmed slot. He also had solid play elsewhere with reads, noticing voting patterns, etc.

So labeling him as an instantaneous deadweight feels a bit unfair. [/QUOTE]

I've never seen someone talk so much yet say so little. Nearly everyone answers honestly when they're town reporting into town government and vets will always notice voting patterns and expected % to deduce what is likely. Half the fun in Mafia is deciphering who is telling the truth and who isn't. If everyone played honestly like that, then you have a boring community, and even worse, a boring game. Get that postmodernism approach out of here. There are more people here with bad stories of ZZOrange than minorities like you who actually prefer being town government.

Originally Posted by LagAttack

And after his most recent permaban -> appeal, my town winrate with ZZorange was notably higher than my baseline town winrate. He was an easily confirmable town slot as all I had to do to find out if he was town was ask him if he was town. If he says he yes, then he's town. If he doesn't say yes, then he's not town. When I rolled town gov (which was pretty often because I prefer that role), he was an asset as he would be essentially a confirmed slot. He also had solid play elsewhere with reads, noticing voting patterns, etc.

So labeling him as an instantaneous deadweight feels a bit unfair.

I've never seen someone talk so much yet say so little. Nearly everyone answers honestly when they're town reporting into town government and vets will always notice voting patterns and expected % to deduce what is likely. Half the fun in Mafia is deciphering who is telling the truth and who isn't. If everyone played honestly like that, then you have a boring community, and even worse, a boring game. Get that postmodernism approach out of here. There are more people here with bad stories of ZZOrange than minorities like you who actually prefer being town government.

[QUOTE=Oberon;932332]are you sure you don't?[/QUOTE]

Umm no? That's what survivorship bias means?

Are you the type of player who reveals mayor/marshall on D1?

Originally Posted by Oberon

are you sure you don't?

Umm no? That's what survivorship bias means?

Are you the type of player who reveals mayor/marshall on D1?

[QUOTE=Varcron;932331]IMO Just because of his history doesn't mean you need to take time out of your day to bash him in a post. I'm not defending what he's done if that's what it appears like.[/quote]

Then let me bash? There's no harm in me doing so since this user is leaving anyway. There is no excuse to cheat and ruin the experience for others and to be a menace in other games. Having Honest Man on your team meant he was instantaneous deadweight. Like being forced to care for your aging parents who can't take care of themselves or if your child is born with a birth defect, but slightly less worse because I voluntarily play this game for fun.

Originally Posted by Varcron

IMO Just because of his history doesn't mean you need to take time out of your day to bash him in a post. I'm not defending what he's done if that's what it appears like.

Then let me bash? There's no harm in me doing so since this user is leaving anyway. There is no excuse to cheat and ruin the experience for others and to be a menace in other games. Having Honest Man on your team meant he was instantaneous deadweight. Like being forced to care for your aging parents who can't take care of themselves or if your child is born with a birth defect, but slightly less worse because I voluntarily play this game for fun.

^ Because he usually died N1/D2 for his gamethrowing history. Are you sure you don't have survivorship bias?

^ Because he usually died N1/D2 for his gamethrowing history. Are you sure you don't have survivorship bias?

[QUOTE=ZZorange;932317]Nah there's some good people who play this game and that's who the post was for. I don't think I've ever played with you so it's weird for someone I've never played with to come into a thread inserting themself somewhere to start shit.

I talk down to people like Altech because they're terrible human beings. I've been respectful to everyone in the community who has been respectful back.

Says a lot about your character randomly jumping in here though.

Anyway thanks for the posts Invictus alt account.[/QUOTE]

You don't remember playing with me, but I remember playing with you on multiple occasions. Always killed or lynched N1/D2 because you have a horrendous reputation as a bad player. I guess your message was intended for me because I've never been reported before, but as an audience of your message, I had to let you know the truth.

You have a reporting history that I'm sharing to further tarnish your reputation because you deserved it:

Summary: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48839-ZZOrange-1-S2-1-2701690?p=931825&viewfull=1#post931825[/url]

2013: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/19129-ZZorange-1-S2-1-2701690-ZZSzteto-1-S2-1-666463[/url]
2020: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47791-ZZorange-1-S2-1-2701690[/url]
Mar 2021: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48448-ZZorange-1-S2-1-2701690[/url]
May 2021: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48756-ZZorange-1-S2-1-2701690[/url]
June 2021: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48839-ZZOrange-1-S2-1-2701690?p=931825[/url]

How can one cheat so many times and not learn their ways? I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics one has to do to justify ruining games for multiple people just because "they're terrible human beings" and getting permabanned multiple times because you obviously don't respect the innocent players who had the displeasure of being in the same lobby as you. I'm not Invictus either because if it gives you the satisfaction of being able to fully dismiss my comments, I'll let you.

I love kicking bad people when they're on the ground suffering. I'm glad you're gone. Stop coming back to a forum that you said you'll be leaving. No one cares or will miss you. Your ZZOrange or Honest Man legacy sucks and I'm glad you're permanently leaving, you cancer.

Originally Posted by ZZorange

Nah there's some good people who play this game and that's who the post was for. I don't think I've ever played with you so it's weird for someone I've never played with to come into a thread inserting themself somewhere to start shit.

I talk down to people like Altech because they're terrible human beings. I've been respectful to everyone in the community who has been respectful back.

Says a lot about your character randomly jumping in here though.

Anyway thanks for the posts Invictus alt account.

You don't remember playing with me, but I remember playing with you on multiple occasions. Always killed or lynched N1/D2 because you have a horrendous reputation as a bad player. I guess your message was intended for me because I've never been reported before, but as an audience of your message, I had to let you know the truth.

You have a reporting history that I'm sharing to further tarnish your reputation because you deserved it:

Summary: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post931825

2013: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...-1-S2-1-666463
2020: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...1-S2-1-2701690
Mar 2021: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...1-S2-1-2701690
May 2021: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...1-S2-1-2701690
June 2021: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...01690?p=931825

How can one cheat so many times and not learn their ways? I don't know what kind of mental gymnastics one has to do to justify ruining games for multiple people just because "they're terrible human beings" and getting permabanned multiple times because you obviously don't respect the innocent players who had the displeasure of being in the same lobby as you. I'm not Invictus either because if it gives you the satisfaction of being able to fully dismiss my comments, I'll let you.

I love kicking bad people when they're on the ground suffering. I'm glad you're gone. Stop coming back to a forum that you said you'll be leaving. No one cares or will miss you. Your ZZOrange or Honest Man legacy sucks and I'm glad you're permanently leaving, you cancer.

[QUOTE=ZZorange;932301]Based on reports you've seen? So you're saying I've never even played a game with you?

Guess you're just gettin some pent up anger out on someone you've never even met?, or an alt account shadow warrior too afraid 2 publicly shit talk someone you hate.

Either way a weird flex 2 be sure.[/QUOTE]

Weird flex for YOU to make a 'goodbye' post to get emotionally erect at all the responses saying they'll miss you when I'm speaking the truth and saying you're a nobody and that no one will miss you.

We know you won't leave, as proven by how you came back here to reply in a holier-than-thou manner just as the rest of us miserable petty sacks playing this game would if we had the emotional fragility of a 4 year old kid before their first day of school.

I'm ChairmanMao on US West, come fight me, you terrible, terrible player. Oh wait, you might not be able to because you got banned! Haha!

Originally Posted by ZZorange

Based on reports you've seen? So you're saying I've never even played a game with you?

Guess you're just gettin some pent up anger out on someone you've never even met?, or an alt account shadow warrior too afraid 2 publicly shit talk someone you hate.

Either way a weird flex 2 be sure.

Weird flex for YOU to make a 'goodbye' post to get emotionally erect at all the responses saying they'll miss you when I'm speaking the truth and saying you're a nobody and that no one will miss you.

We know you won't leave, as proven by how you came back here to reply in a holier-than-thou manner just as the rest of us miserable petty sacks playing this game would if we had the emotional fragility of a 4 year old kid before their first day of school.

I'm ChairmanMao on US West, come fight me, you terrible, terrible player. Oh wait, you might not be able to because you got banned! Haha!

[QUOTE=Varcron;932296]No need for that.[/QUOTE]

If he/she was truly gone (LOL), then they wouldn't have seen the comment anyway. No harm done here except for their legacy, which still sucks as aforementioned by the reports. They were a cancer on the community.

Originally Posted by Varcron

No need for that.

If he/she was truly gone (LOL), then they wouldn't have seen the comment anyway. No harm done here except for their legacy, which still sucks as aforementioned by the reports. They were a cancer on the community.

Yeah, nobody cares and you were one of the worst players of all time given the amounts of reports I've seen. I hope you never ever come back, Shitty Man.

Yeah, nobody cares and you were one of the worst players of all time given the amounts of reports I've seen. I hope you never ever come back, Shitty Man.