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[QUOTE=bakermir;871772]I admit, I haven't done much reading on FM. It was all YOLO based on what experience I have from mod and party games. Thanks for the link[/QUOTE]

We all start somewhere :) I hope ya stick around for some more games!

Originally Posted by bakermir

I admit, I haven't done much reading on FM. It was all YOLO based on what experience I have from mod and party games. Thanks for the link

We all start somewhere I hope ya stick around for some more games!

[QUOTE=bakermir;871768]I always considered 1 TPR being citizen but very small chances. [COLOR="#FF0000"] I didn't know the setup principle would be like you describe it now. Wish I figured this out earlier tbh[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I purposely left it out earlier when I was talking about setup balance D2, because that would've probably outed ash and that would have been disadventagous.

For the sake of learning [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/22788-M-FM-Castle-Varen-the-most-balanced-game-on-site-ever?highlight=Castle+Varen"]here's the post[/URL] that discusses the game that is the holy grail of forum mafia

Originally Posted by bakermir

I always considered 1 TPR being citizen but very small chances. I didn't know the setup principle would be like you describe it now. Wish I figured this out earlier tbh

I purposely left it out earlier when I was talking about setup balance D2, because that would've probably outed ash and that would have been disadventagous.

For the sake of learning here's the post that discusses the game that is the holy grail of forum mafia

[QUOTE=bakermir;871764] [COLOR="#FFFF00"]Like I was certain the evil were going to try their best but then DW gave himself away with spiderman meme pretty good. I believe this was the right strategy for me but unfortunately I lost internet at that key voting moment and expected other townies to not leave votes on people. I think that was a very wrong play from town.[/COLOR]


I could have ended up voting Martin and losing but I would feel less shitty. I could have ended up voting DW and see what happens tomorrow. damn, it feels horrible to be robbed off like this. I hope the importance of votes on lylo is not forgotten next time. I had no plans of leading the votes today and just let it happen naturally.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]To be honest I was sick of being alive at MYLO, I've been there for three games in a row, and that's all it really devolved into. I probably would have done the same thing as town.[/COLOR]

Otherwise yes, it is a disadvantageous play to stick your vote down without considering every single possibility when scum could, in theory, turbohammer.

Originally Posted by bakermir

Like I was certain the evil were going to try their best but then DW gave himself away with spiderman meme pretty good. I believe this was the right strategy for me but unfortunately I lost internet at that key voting moment and expected other townies to not leave votes on people. I think that was a very wrong play from town.


I could have ended up voting Martin and losing but I would feel less shitty. I could have ended up voting DW and see what happens tomorrow. damn, it feels horrible to be robbed off like this. I hope the importance of votes on lylo is not forgotten next time. I had no plans of leading the votes today and just let it happen naturally.

To be honest I was sick of being alive at MYLO, I've been there for three games in a row, and that's all it really devolved into. I probably would have done the same thing as town.

Otherwise yes, it is a disadvantageous play to stick your vote down without considering every single possibility when scum could, in theory, turbohammer.

Some general advice for everyone,
consider EVERY possibility, I think that's the most valuable takeaway from this game.
Here's what the role list was posted as
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia Any
Mafia Any[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Town Any
Town Any
Town Any
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen[/COLOR]
Everyone assumed the "[COLOR="#00FF00"]Town Any[/COLOR]" would be rolled as TPR, when it was entirely possible they could be rolled as citizen, hell it was entirely possible it would've been a vanilla game with just mafioso and citizens.
As [COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia[/COLOR], Ash, dall, and I considered the possibility of splitting up our claims, so we avoid being in the same lynch box (boxing up groups of people for lynches is a totally valid thing to do btw bake). Instead of it being a 2v4, we were thinking it would be a 1v3 and a 1v3 at worst, which makes it much more difficult for town to pin down the scum.
Regardless, as an experienced host on this site setup balance principles tells us that the town and the scum should have a roughly equal amount of power roles, the amount of kills that can be performed by scum should be able to be countered by town via protectives (bus drivers, escorts, doctors, etc), and the amount of investigative ability should be matched (consig, agent, framer vs detective, sheriff, lookout). Having an extra TPR would make this setup much more favorable to town.
Yes this is setup/host meta, but it's a valid tool to be used by any player.

Some general advice for everyone,
consider EVERY possibility, I think that's the most valuable takeaway from this game.
Here's what the role list was posted as
Mafia Any
Mafia Any
Town Any
Town Any
Town Any
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Everyone assumed the "Town Any" would be rolled as TPR, when it was entirely possible they could be rolled as citizen, hell it was entirely possible it would've been a vanilla game with just mafioso and citizens.
As Mafia, Ash, dall, and I considered the possibility of splitting up our claims, so we avoid being in the same lynch box (boxing up groups of people for lynches is a totally valid thing to do btw bake). Instead of it being a 2v4, we were thinking it would be a 1v3 and a 1v3 at worst, which makes it much more difficult for town to pin down the scum.
Regardless, as an experienced host on this site setup balance principles tells us that the town and the scum should have a roughly equal amount of power roles, the amount of kills that can be performed by scum should be able to be countered by town via protectives (bus drivers, escorts, doctors, etc), and the amount of investigative ability should be matched (consig, agent, framer vs detective, sheriff, lookout). Having an extra TPR would make this setup much more favorable to town.
Yes this is setup/host meta, but it's a valid tool to be used by any player.

Martin I was super impressed by you this entire game,

you brought an extraordinary amount of preparation and effort that intimidated me and dall. I would love to see you in more games and have you around to help solve them :)

Martin I was super impressed by you this entire game,

you brought an extraordinary amount of preparation and effort that intimidated me and dall. I would love to see you in more games and have you around to help solve them

Good game everyone, truthfully, I was super nervous going into mylo

[QUOTE=Renegade;871709]
[MENTION=45374]Dallarian[/MENTION] [MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION]

Great job! Fun to see Dallarian totally panic as soon as Auwt said Dall/Ash team was a possibility, so much so that he needed to get subbed out for 'personal' reasons, only to have his papa mentor join the game. Talk about a switcheroo! A vet into a newbie game, wow the wolf did sneak into the hen house!

Oh and I loved how you two just giggled and laughed after that in your mentor chat: how dumb the poor newbie town players are! Insert laughing spaniard emoji here.

Give me a break. Total bullshit.[/QUOTE]

I'll have you know I respect every single player here, and I didn't just ask to be subbed in, it was requested of me.
I'm not going to hold any punches and purposely play sub-optimally for new players, that doesn't teach anyone anything.

Good game everyone, truthfully, I was super nervous going into mylo

Originally Posted by Renegade

@Dallarian @deathworlds

Great job! Fun to see Dallarian totally panic as soon as Auwt said Dall/Ash team was a possibility, so much so that he needed to get subbed out for 'personal' reasons, only to have his papa mentor join the game. Talk about a switcheroo! A vet into a newbie game, wow the wolf did sneak into the hen house!

Oh and I loved how you two just giggled and laughed after that in your mentor chat: how dumb the poor newbie town players are! Insert laughing spaniard emoji here.

Give me a break. Total bullshit.

I'll have you know I respect every single player here, and I didn't just ask to be subbed in, it was requested of me.
I'm not going to hold any punches and purposely play sub-optimally for new players, that doesn't teach anyone anything.

SCUM WIN
BOTTOM TEXT
[vote]Drizzt[/vote]

SCUM WIN
BOTTOM TEXT

-vote Drizzt

Fuckin' hell, I hate mylo

Fuckin' hell, I hate mylo

[vote]MartinGG99[/vote]

-vote MartinGG99

[QUOTE=bakermir;871646]My first FM game. Yeah, I agree it would have been pretty good content if I turned out to be godfather after all of this.




Who would you vote anyway? Ash/Martin/Bakermir/Drizzt[/QUOTE]

Martin's the safest bet from my PoV.
I have a hard time believing ash or you are scum based off of mechanics and claims.
Drizzt would be my 2nd choice in this scenario, strictly because he isn't mechanically disproven.
Martin's been scummy this whole game from my PoV.

Originally Posted by bakermir

My first FM game. Yeah, I agree it would have been pretty good content if I turned out to be godfather after all of this.




Who would you vote anyway? Ash/Martin/Bakermir/Drizzt

Martin's the safest bet from my PoV.
I have a hard time believing ash or you are scum based off of mechanics and claims.
Drizzt would be my 2nd choice in this scenario, strictly because he isn't mechanically disproven.
Martin's been scummy this whole game from my PoV.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;871640]We didn't have more than a few hours left. It was roughly around the time you said you were going to hammer him. I quoted that in my hammer vote.[/QUOTE]

I was going to hammer unless someone unvoted, as I said before, I mostly just wanted to make sure my vote was somewhere it would count by EoD

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

We didn't have more than a few hours left. It was roughly around the time you said you were going to hammer him. I quoted that in my hammer vote.

I was going to hammer unless someone unvoted, as I said before, I mostly just wanted to make sure my vote was somewhere it would count by EoD

[QUOTE=deathworlds;871639]Actually I do have one bit to add.

I'd still like to see Martin get lynched more than anything else, the way he hammered auwt when we still had more than a few hours left to go in the day left a sour taste in my mouth, in addition to my prior scum read on him.[/QUOTE]

We live in a timeline where it's POSSIBLE for bake to be scum, and drizz to be innocent. But there's no timeline where I see Martin being town

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Actually I do have one bit to add.

I'd still like to see Martin get lynched more than anything else, the way he hammered auwt when we still had more than a few hours left to go in the day left a sour taste in my mouth, in addition to my prior scum read on him.

We live in a timeline where it's POSSIBLE for bake to be scum, and drizz to be innocent. But there's no timeline where I see Martin being town

Actually I do have one bit to add.

I'd still like to see Martin get lynched more than anything else, the way he hammered auwt when we still had more than a few hours left to go in the day left a sour taste in my mouth, in addition to my prior scum read on him.

Actually I do have one bit to add.

I'd still like to see Martin get lynched more than anything else, the way he hammered auwt when we still had more than a few hours left to go in the day left a sour taste in my mouth, in addition to my prior scum read on him.

*obligatory self preservation statement*

*obligatory self preservation statement*

[QUOTE=Ash Lael;871630]Yeah there’s a tiny edge possibility of bakemir being exactly godfather, but I am never going to bet the game on that. Not when we have a 2/3 chance to hit scum in the non-insane world where it’s 2 of Martin/DW/Drizzt.[/QUOTE]

I remember when I got juked by betting on the non-cursed timeline.

Gods third line butterfly is going to haunt me for years to come

Originally Posted by Ash Lael

Yeah there’s a tiny edge possibility of bakemir being exactly godfather, but I am never going to bet the game on that. Not when we have a 2/3 chance to hit scum in the non-insane world where it’s 2 of Martin/DW/Drizzt.

I remember when I got juked by betting on the non-cursed timeline.

Gods third line butterfly is going to haunt me for years to come

[QUOTE=bakermir;871631]If you want, we can end this now[/QUOTE]

:crabrave:

Originally Posted by bakermir

If you want, we can end this now

I really hate this puzzle solving stage of the game

I really hate this puzzle solving stage of the game

[QUOTE=Drizzt;871619]I'd like to hear from Bake, Martin unvoted me, but at the end of the day I'll prob follow him as long as I agree with his logic. If we lose, we'll lose as a team.[/QUOTE]

Well I mean arguing in this 1v2 isn't going to get us anywhere because we'll all just point fingers at each other like the spiderman meme, it's probably best if we get input from bake and ash, because I'll just say you and martin are scum, martin will say that you and I are scum, and you will say that martin and I are scum. We all "know" that we're citizen.

Originally Posted by Drizzt

I'd like to hear from Bake, Martin unvoted me, but at the end of the day I'll prob follow him as long as I agree with his logic. If we lose, we'll lose as a team.

Well I mean arguing in this 1v2 isn't going to get us anywhere because we'll all just point fingers at each other like the spiderman meme, it's probably best if we get input from bake and ash, because I'll just say you and martin are scum, martin will say that you and I are scum, and you will say that martin and I are scum. We all "know" that we're citizen.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;871617]Well assuming you are citizen, like me, then there's[B][I] one [/I][/B]possibility, but i don't believe it likely. That would be Bakermir + Deathworlds. Like I said, Bakermir could've done nothing on N1 while scum, and that wouldn't have tipped off Grakylan the detective as scummy. Actually, that could make sense in some world. There was a slight reason for him to do nothing night 1, and that's because Auwt voted him day 1. Although that was just only 1 vote against Bakermir. If I were him and scum, that wouldn't convince me to do nothing. However, it is possible.[/QUOTE]

Well it's certainly possible that bake COULD be scum. He isn't mechanically disproven, but as I said before, the bloody stars would have had to align for him to get this far.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Well assuming you are citizen, like me, then there's one possibility, but i don't believe it likely. That would be Bakermir + Deathworlds. Like I said, Bakermir could've done nothing on N1 while scum, and that wouldn't have tipped off Grakylan the detective as scummy. Actually, that could make sense in some world. There was a slight reason for him to do nothing night 1, and that's because Auwt voted him day 1. Although that was just only 1 vote against Bakermir. If I were him and scum, that wouldn't convince me to do nothing. However, it is possible.

Well it's certainly possible that bake COULD be scum. He isn't mechanically disproven, but as I said before, the bloody stars would have had to align for him to get this far.

So ash is un CC'D tpr claim, bake didn't do anything n1, and we got two other unresolved citizen claims in Drizzt and Martin.

I really, REALLY want to believe that drizz is town, based off of Helltanis' play, but I can't imagine a world where mafia doesn't act on n1.
So that really does leave martin/drizzt, if we all agree that it isn't bake.

So ash is un CC'D tpr claim, bake didn't do anything n1, and we got two other unresolved citizen claims in Drizzt and Martin.

I really, REALLY want to believe that drizz is town, based off of Helltanis' play, but I can't imagine a world where mafia doesn't act on n1.
So that really does leave martin/drizzt, if we all agree that it isn't bake.

Well I can't say I'm totally shocked that scum decided to kill Grak, makes sense from a mechanical standpoint.
I am shocked that auwt didn't flip red

Well I can't say I'm totally shocked that scum decided to kill Grak, makes sense from a mechanical standpoint.
I am shocked that auwt didn't flip red

I'm placing my vote on auwt as soon as I get home, in about an hour

I'm placing my vote on auwt as soon as I get home, in about an hour

[QUOTE=deathworlds;871469]Gyrlander you dumb slut, you know better than to post in live games smhing my head[/QUOTE]

For legal reasons, I'm obliged to say that that phrase was mostly entirely sarcasm

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Gyrlander you dumb slut, you know better than to post in live games smhing my head

For legal reasons, I'm obliged to say that that phrase was mostly entirely sarcasm

Gyrlander you dumb slut, you know better than to post in live games smhing my head

Gyrlander you dumb slut, you know better than to post in live games smhing my head

[QUOTE=Auwt;871444]Oh and also, no one here is able to find me a valid team mate.
And I'm luring everyone's hate atm.
This should alert you. But will it?[/QUOTE]

I mean from my pov it's either Drizz, Martin, or bake.
I already said bake or drizz are unlikely scum candidates,
thus that leaves Martin.
Simple PoE, association reads are usually bogus anyhow

Originally Posted by Auwt

Oh and also, no one here is able to find me a valid team mate.
And I'm luring everyone's hate atm.
This should alert you. But will it?

I mean from my pov it's either Drizz, Martin, or bake.
I already said bake or drizz are unlikely scum candidates,
thus that leaves Martin.
Simple PoE, association reads are usually bogus anyhow

[QUOTE=deathworlds;871419][B][COLOR="#FF0000"]Consider my vote on Auwt for now, I will probably stick my vote down around 4ish hours from now, then I'm out for the rest of the day.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]

Whether or not that will result in a lynch or not is up to the rest of the voters because I want to make sure my vote is somewhere were I believe it will do work by EoD, which I won't be around for

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Consider my vote on Auwt for now, I will probably stick my vote down around 4ish hours from now, then I'm out for the rest of the day.

Whether or not that will result in a lynch or not is up to the rest of the voters because I want to make sure my vote is somewhere were I believe it will do work by EoD, which I won't be around for

[B][COLOR="#FF0000"]Consider my vote on Auwt for now, I will probably stick my vote down around 4ish hours from now, then I'm out for the rest of the day.[/COLOR][/B]

Consider my vote on Auwt for now, I will probably stick my vote down around 4ish hours from now, then I'm out for the rest of the day.

[QUOTE=bakermir;871413]Why would town lynch a TPR or someone confirmed by TPR?


There is no counter claim.


All of you fucks claimed citizen.


Now lambs to the slaughter.[/QUOTE]

I like your energy

Originally Posted by bakermir

Why would town lynch a TPR or someone confirmed by TPR?


There is no counter claim.


All of you fucks claimed citizen.


Now lambs to the slaughter.

I like your energy

Auwt you're going total tinfoil right now.
Grak and Ash are uncc'd TPRs
Grak claims detective that cleared bake
Ash remains unclaimed to put mafia in wifom hell presumably (at least that's what I'm getting from his crypticallity)
Drizzt, you, MartinGG, and myself all explicitly claim citizen.
There's one claim left, bake, who is confirmed to have NOT performed the mafia kill at minimum (unless they're a godfather, but I doubt there would be a godfather in a setup this small).

Here's the remaining rolelist
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Hidden scum
Hidden scum[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Hidden town
Hidden town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen[/COLOR]

Mix and match until you get what you want, but as per the status quo there are exactly two TPR claims that are resolved.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Hidden scum
Hidden scum[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Hidden town Grak, Detective
Hidden town Ash, TPR
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen[/COLOR]

Now to add myself as a self-confirming citizen claim

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Hidden scum
Hidden scum[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Hidden town Grak, Detective
Hidden town Ash, TPR
Citizen DW
Citizen
Citizen[/COLOR]

It's super easy auwt. the only ones left unresolved are Bake (who did not perform the mafia kill assuming grak is telling the truth), Drizzt (who is probably a townie based off their prior slot), Martin (Who hunts TPRs) and yourself who cannot puzzle solve, and attacks our TPR claims.

Auwt you're going total tinfoil right now.
Grak and Ash are uncc'd TPRs
Grak claims detective that cleared bake
Ash remains unclaimed to put mafia in wifom hell presumably (at least that's what I'm getting from his crypticallity)
Drizzt, you, MartinGG, and myself all explicitly claim citizen.
There's one claim left, bake, who is confirmed to have NOT performed the mafia kill at minimum (unless they're a godfather, but I doubt there would be a godfather in a setup this small).

Here's the remaining rolelist
Hidden scum
Hidden scum
Hidden town
Hidden town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Mix and match until you get what you want, but as per the status quo there are exactly two TPR claims that are resolved.

Hidden scum
Hidden scum
Hidden town Grak, Detective
Hidden town Ash, TPR
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Now to add myself as a self-confirming citizen claim

Hidden scum
Hidden scum
Hidden town Grak, Detective
Hidden town Ash, TPR
Citizen DW
Citizen
Citizen

It's super easy auwt. the only ones left unresolved are Bake (who did not perform the mafia kill assuming grak is telling the truth), Drizzt (who is probably a townie based off their prior slot), Martin (Who hunts TPRs) and yourself who cannot puzzle solve, and attacks our TPR claims.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;871234]Problem is, I don't see anything leading to a garunteed victory right now, due to knowing certain player's alignments already; and it seems either a lynch of me or a lynch of Drizzt is the most likely to lead to a victory. And if those aren't possible, and the consensus that we must lynch, then the next best option is you.[/QUOTE]

Well obviously our last choices for being lynched should be ourselves, as I explained before, to a town!pov, selflynching is basically a throw.
For me the list goes Martin/Auwt/Bake/Drizzts, in that order. with bake and drizzt being much further away than martin and auwt.
I have a hard time seeing drizzts being scum, because their previous slot was basically a headless noob townie (no offense mate, we were all like that once).
Bake is 90% confirmed (could be an actionless mafia, or a godfather or some dumb shit like that) unless grak is CC'd
Auwt has been TPR hunting and attacking our pretty much confirmed townie the entire day.
Martin also had a bit of TPR hunting, but his hyper-awareness makes me very hesitant to not throw him out of the game.
That being said I am very much willing to lynch Auwt, I'd very uncomfortably lynch bake or drizzt, but I would be pleased with a Martin or Auwt lynch.
I don't know who his partner would be because I don't hunt by association very often, as that is something that scum can manipulate.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;871185]Man we're spread out today aren't we?

If I'm reading the thread right, at this moment:

I want to lynch Auwt (but that might change)
Ash wants to lynch Auwt
Bakermir wants to lynch Deathworlds
Deathworlds wants to lynch MartinGG99
Drizzts wants to lynch...no one yet? He's probably still deciding. Maybe Deathworlds or Ash considering his recent posts.
Auwt was pressuring Ash on his last post, so I think he wants to lynch Ash.[/QUOTE]

I quoted this for some reason and I can't remember :thonk: OH I remember, it was to agree with the list at that moment.

[QUOTE=Grakylan;871229]
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but I targeted bake n2 cuz he was a null read for most people, and I wanted to clear up any neutral territory first: scum reads or town reads aren't worth the check at first.[/COLOR]
On another note...

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Also we gotta think for a second, why would Dallarian suddenly leave the game after hours where we were basically coming to a consensus to lynch Dallarian?[/COLOR] Helltanis was one thing, but Dallarian was way more active d1 then d2, so his excuse of not being able to keep up with many things seems disingenous. Especially considering I was having trouble keeping up at first but decided to stay in the game. But that also could be because I'm a town power. Even a citizen has his civic duty to vote scum out, so if a citizen leaves, not in the beginning, but in the MIDDLE of the game after a consensus against him was forming, what could that say? Could he be scum?

[COLOR="#FF0000"]And that's not to mention that deathworlds did not have such a good introduction, and is starting to give off toxic vibes.

Could be another Zedus situation, but at this point I say we take the chance, if we are to lynch anyone.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Okay that makes perfect sense now, that is something I would have 100% done.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Because of reasons that you can talk to SJ or Dall about post game.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]I would never stoop to Zedus' level, I'm not toxic, I play aggressively towards my scum-reads, and aggressively in general. Trying to advocate for my lynch for giving off "toxic vibes" when there are none to be found isn't a very cash money move.[/COLOR]

Oh and bake I saw that post, and, uh, yeah it was kinda damning, accusing not just one, but indirectly both of our unCC'd TPRs when there's a maximum of two TPRs left is ignorant of reality at best, and an attempt of hijacking the town in a super high-risk play at worst. It's super unlikely that bake is scum, the bloody stars would've had to align for him to be scum. I don't see how ash/bake could be a thing, because ash is more or less confirmed at this point.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Problem is, I don't see anything leading to a garunteed victory right now, due to knowing certain player's alignments already; and it seems either a lynch of me or a lynch of Drizzt is the most likely to lead to a victory. And if those aren't possible, and the consensus that we must lynch, then the next best option is you.

Well obviously our last choices for being lynched should be ourselves, as I explained before, to a town!pov, selflynching is basically a throw.
For me the list goes Martin/Auwt/Bake/Drizzts, in that order. with bake and drizzt being much further away than martin and auwt.
I have a hard time seeing drizzts being scum, because their previous slot was basically a headless noob townie (no offense mate, we were all like that once).
Bake is 90% confirmed (could be an actionless mafia, or a godfather or some dumb shit like that) unless grak is CC'd
Auwt has been TPR hunting and attacking our pretty much confirmed townie the entire day.
Martin also had a bit of TPR hunting, but his hyper-awareness makes me very hesitant to not throw him out of the game.
That being said I am very much willing to lynch Auwt, I'd very uncomfortably lynch bake or drizzt, but I would be pleased with a Martin or Auwt lynch.
I don't know who his partner would be because I don't hunt by association very often, as that is something that scum can manipulate.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Man we're spread out today aren't we?

If I'm reading the thread right, at this moment:

I want to lynch Auwt (but that might change)
Ash wants to lynch Auwt
Bakermir wants to lynch Deathworlds
Deathworlds wants to lynch MartinGG99
Drizzts wants to lynch...no one yet? He's probably still deciding. Maybe Deathworlds or Ash considering his recent posts.
Auwt was pressuring Ash on his last post, so I think he wants to lynch Ash.

I quoted this for some reason and I can't remember OH I remember, it was to agree with the list at that moment.

Originally Posted by Grakylan

I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but I targeted bake n2 cuz he was a null read for most people, and I wanted to clear up any neutral territory first: scum reads or town reads aren't worth the check at first.
On another note...

Also we gotta think for a second, why would Dallarian suddenly leave the game after hours where we were basically coming to a consensus to lynch Dallarian? Helltanis was one thing, but Dallarian was way more active d1 then d2, so his excuse of not being able to keep up with many things seems disingenous. Especially considering I was having trouble keeping up at first but decided to stay in the game. But that also could be because I'm a town power. Even a citizen has his civic duty to vote scum out, so if a citizen leaves, not in the beginning, but in the MIDDLE of the game after a consensus against him was forming, what could that say? Could he be scum?

And that's not to mention that deathworlds did not have such a good introduction, and is starting to give off toxic vibes.

Could be another Zedus situation, but at this point I say we take the chance, if we are to lynch anyone.

Okay that makes perfect sense now, that is something I would have 100% done.
Because of reasons that you can talk to SJ or Dall about post game.
I would never stoop to Zedus' level, I'm not toxic, I play aggressively towards my scum-reads, and aggressively in general. Trying to advocate for my lynch for giving off "toxic vibes" when there are none to be found isn't a very cash money move.

Oh and bake I saw that post, and, uh, yeah it was kinda damning, accusing not just one, but indirectly both of our unCC'd TPRs when there's a maximum of two TPRs left is ignorant of reality at best, and an attempt of hijacking the town in a super high-risk play at worst. It's super unlikely that bake is scum, the bloody stars would've had to align for him to be scum. I don't see how ash/bake could be a thing, because ash is more or less confirmed at this point.

WHOAH HOLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED AUWT WAS AT L-1

WHOAH HOLY SHIT I JUST REALIZED AUWT WAS AT L-1

Oh and Bake, I saw your post and I'll respond to it in a minute, I just got a little bit of downtime at work

Oh and Bake, I saw your post and I'll respond to it in a minute, I just got a little bit of downtime at work

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;871257]Also, since i pointed out that Auwt's been indirect power hunting by labelling citizens, even if he's town, that's anti-town stuff. Deathworlds said Zedus lynch justified, because he was acting anti-town, and honestly I wonder if he would vote to lynch Auwt.[/QUOTE]

Yeah looking back on it, I kind of glossed over the fact that Auwt was pretty much openly TPR hunting, and is still kind of doing it to ash, pressuring him to reveal what his role is.
Granted at this stage of the game I'd like Ash to reveal their actual role, but since no one else CC'd TPR I'm inclined to believe and trust ash.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Also, since i pointed out that Auwt's been indirect power hunting by labelling citizens, even if he's town, that's anti-town stuff. Deathworlds said Zedus lynch justified, because he was acting anti-town, and honestly I wonder if he would vote to lynch Auwt.

Yeah looking back on it, I kind of glossed over the fact that Auwt was pretty much openly TPR hunting, and is still kind of doing it to ash, pressuring him to reveal what his role is.
Granted at this stage of the game I'd like Ash to reveal their actual role, but since no one else CC'd TPR I'm inclined to believe and trust ash.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;871231]Looking at Grakylan's past reads list at 823#, we could have up 3 hypothetical votes on Deathworlds. Me, Drizzt, and Grakylan's, if we really decided that compared to all other options, Deathworlds was the best choice. That's be the strongest consensus so far that I've seen.[/QUOTE]

Town should never advocate for their own lynch unless they are 100% sure it's going to lead to a town victory.
From a town pov it's a guaranteed mislynch, literally any option is better

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Looking at Grakylan's past reads list at 823#, we could have up 3 hypothetical votes on Deathworlds. Me, Drizzt, and Grakylan's, if we really decided that compared to all other options, Deathworlds was the best choice. That's be the strongest consensus so far that I've seen.

Town should never advocate for their own lynch unless they are 100% sure it's going to lead to a town victory.
From a town pov it's a guaranteed mislynch, literally any option is better

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;871199][MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION]
EOD2 happens in 20 hours 30 mins I believe. For EST, that's 5PM tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm going to be asleep, I get off shift at 10EST (im PST) and I'm home usually an hour later.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

@deathworlds
EOD2 happens in 20 hours 30 mins I believe. For EST, that's 5PM tomorrow.

Yeah I'm going to be asleep, I get off shift at 10EST (im PST) and I'm home usually an hour later.

[QUOTE=Ash Lael;871194]Oh one last thing:

DW, Drizzt: please take the time left in the day to go back and build a proper case against one or two of the other slots in your four person group. Someone in this group is getting lynched and at least two are town. We need to be able to identify at least one of the group as town to have a winning POE, and helping us solve the group is the best way to show us that you’re the person we can afford to not lynch.[/QUOTE]

Ofc

Btw to everyone, I work funky shifts and am actually quite busy tonight. I'll keep reading and contributing throughout the rest of the day cyle, but I'm probably not gonna be here at EoD because I think I'm gonna be dead asleep by then, idk I haven't caught up to the day 2 countdown yet lmao

Originally Posted by Ash Lael

Oh one last thing:

DW, Drizzt: please take the time left in the day to go back and build a proper case against one or two of the other slots in your four person group. Someone in this group is getting lynched and at least two are town. We need to be able to identify at least one of the group as town to have a winning POE, and helping us solve the group is the best way to show us that you’re the person we can afford to not lynch.

Ofc

Btw to everyone, I work funky shifts and am actually quite busy tonight. I'll keep reading and contributing throughout the rest of the day cyle, but I'm probably not gonna be here at EoD because I think I'm gonna be dead asleep by then, idk I haven't caught up to the day 2 countdown yet lmao

[QUOTE=bakermir;871191]Fair point. However, his play has been consistent with how Helltanis played on Day One. You seem to have an entirely different approach than Dallarian. Now, let's not forget you know this game very well compared to most of us and it was Dallarian's first game. This is the only reason I am giving you time. Welcome to downtown.


What are your thoughts on Martin and Auwt?[/QUOTE]

I'm still catching up, I'm on post 478 but the more I read the more I like Auwt and am reminded of his gameplay in standoff.
I can't say the same of Martin unfortunately. Am I overanalzing? probably, but with the stage of the game we're in and how there's limited options to choose between I think Martin is the safest lynch.

Originally Posted by bakermir

Fair point. However, his play has been consistent with how Helltanis played on Day One. You seem to have an entirely different approach than Dallarian. Now, let's not forget you know this game very well compared to most of us and it was Dallarian's first game. This is the only reason I am giving you time. Welcome to downtown.


What are your thoughts on Martin and Auwt?

I'm still catching up, I'm on post 478 but the more I read the more I like Auwt and am reminded of his gameplay in standoff.
I can't say the same of Martin unfortunately. Am I overanalzing? probably, but with the stage of the game we're in and how there's limited options to choose between I think Martin is the safest lynch.

[QUOTE=deathworlds;871183]I'm more than aware that people are watching me and how my prior slot might've been considered suspicious. But trying to claim that I'm laying low, and that we shouldn't try to question and get valuable information out of our TPRs is right out bud.[/QUOTE]

Gods if you weren't a very likely town I'd suggest you try to poke the same kinda reactions out of Drizzt, you might get what your looking for then.

But I'm pretty sure this is just a mixture of town paranoia and being angy at the possibility of a null read being town

Originally Posted by deathworlds

I'm more than aware that people are watching me and how my prior slot might've been considered suspicious. But trying to claim that I'm laying low, and that we shouldn't try to question and get valuable information out of our TPRs is right out bud.

Gods if you weren't a very likely town I'd suggest you try to poke the same kinda reactions out of Drizzt, you might get what your looking for then.

But I'm pretty sure this is just a mixture of town paranoia and being angy at the possibility of a null read being town

[QUOTE=bakermir;871180]Nah mate, I am quite honest.


You have replaced a suspicious player and I believe I am not the only one in this; you trying to lay low, claiming citizen, claiming not reading key posts, not providing reads. Positioning yourself at the bottom of roles list and questioning our TPR's is a big no no.

You are first in line to get lynched here and the quicker you realize that, higher the chances you will avoid a lynch today.[/QUOTE]

I'm more than aware that people are watching me and how my prior slot might've been considered suspicious. But trying to claim that I'm laying low, and that we shouldn't try to question and get valuable information out of our TPRs is right out bud.

Originally Posted by bakermir

Nah mate, I am quite honest.


You have replaced a suspicious player and I believe I am not the only one in this; you trying to lay low, claiming citizen, claiming not reading key posts, not providing reads. Positioning yourself at the bottom of roles list and questioning our TPR's is a big no no.

You are first in line to get lynched here and the quicker you realize that, higher the chances you will avoid a lynch today.

I'm more than aware that people are watching me and how my prior slot might've been considered suspicious. But trying to claim that I'm laying low, and that we shouldn't try to question and get valuable information out of our TPRs is right out bud.

[QUOTE=Drizzt;871176]I believe you, but I need somebody to look at until I look at somebody else. Don't we have too many Citizens, methinks perhaps we should start with that list.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, assuming both TPR claims are true and accurate we lynch between
Drizzt, MartinGG99, Auwt, Bakemir, and myself I guess if we're considering everyone else's PoV.
I'm sticking on Martin for now for his scummy D1 play and his hyperattentiveness to how he presents himself, wolves try to be aware over how they present and type to try to avoid slipping.

Originally Posted by Drizzt

I believe you, but I need somebody to look at until I look at somebody else. Don't we have too many Citizens, methinks perhaps we should start with that list.

Yeah, assuming both TPR claims are true and accurate we lynch between
Drizzt, MartinGG99, Auwt, Bakemir, and myself I guess if we're considering everyone else's PoV.
I'm sticking on Martin for now for his scummy D1 play and his hyperattentiveness to how he presents himself, wolves try to be aware over how they present and type to try to avoid slipping.

[QUOTE=Drizzt;871147]Touché. Let me rephrase. Have you claimed a town role yet? We have so many citizens already.[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Drizzt;871128]My heart says Martin is town but my head remembers how he was nice to me so quickly after I accused him- I quickly claimed I did it to see who jumped on the accusation. He could have just been genuinely welcoming to me, or he could have been playing on my newb tendency to find someone nice to follow. So he is at a .5 sus.

DW, IDK. Some has been said, but i'll need to go back and see who he replaced and make a judgement then. He's right now my prime suspect.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Drizzt;871170]I've openly accused you twice and no reaction. Late to read my posts, or are you hoping they'll go away? Or maybe I just don't merit a response.[/QUOTE]

I answered the first quote in another post where I reinforced the citizen claim the prior player in my slot made, didn't feel a need to quote @you specifically.

As for the second one, I genuinely didn't see it. Why is a null slot your prime suspect?

Originally Posted by Drizzt

Touché. Let me rephrase. Have you claimed a town role yet? We have so many citizens already.

Originally Posted by Drizzt

My heart says Martin is town but my head remembers how he was nice to me so quickly after I accused him- I quickly claimed I did it to see who jumped on the accusation. He could have just been genuinely welcoming to me, or he could have been playing on my newb tendency to find someone nice to follow. So he is at a .5 sus.

DW, IDK. Some has been said, but i'll need to go back and see who he replaced and make a judgement then. He's right now my prime suspect.

Originally Posted by Drizzt

I've openly accused you twice and no reaction. Late to read my posts, or are you hoping they'll go away? Or maybe I just don't merit a response.

I answered the first quote in another post where I reinforced the citizen claim the prior player in my slot made, didn't feel a need to quote @you specifically.

As for the second one, I genuinely didn't see it. Why is a null slot your prime suspect?

[QUOTE=bakermir;871165]I personally questioned him for this earlier in Day Two.

I believe you were mentoring Dallarian here.

This is quite a low effort coming from a "notable" player. How the fuck you don't know the answer to this question?

I suggest you start spilling your reads or get voted. Your replacement didn't clear any suspicions we had over Dallarian and now you acting like you don't know shit makes it worse.[/QUOTE]

As a mentor it isn't my job to hold the hand of my student and tell him exactly what to say when, I provided advise when prompted, taught basic scumhunting, and kept somewhat up with the game, I know a decent amount about what happened but I wasn't watching the thread like a hawk.
This is a disingenuous argument and you know it.

Originally Posted by bakermir

I personally questioned him for this earlier in Day Two.

I believe you were mentoring Dallarian here.

This is quite a low effort coming from a "notable" player. How the fuck you don't know the answer to this question?

I suggest you start spilling your reads or get voted. Your replacement didn't clear any suspicions we had over Dallarian and now you acting like you don't know shit makes it worse.

As a mentor it isn't my job to hold the hand of my student and tell him exactly what to say when, I provided advise when prompted, taught basic scumhunting, and kept somewhat up with the game, I know a decent amount about what happened but I wasn't watching the thread like a hawk.
This is a disingenuous argument and you know it.

Did grak ever explain why he targeted bake?

It seems like a weird choice from my PoV

Did grak ever explain why he targeted bake?

It seems like a weird choice from my PoV

Oh and I also stand by the Zedus lynch, guy was anti-town as fuck, and I don't really care about D1 TPR claims. Scummy and anti-town behavior get you lynched, period
well unless you're mechanically confirmed town, which at that point fuck you for playing bad.

Oh and I also stand by the Zedus lynch, guy was anti-town as fuck, and I don't really care about D1 TPR claims. Scummy and anti-town behavior get you lynched, period
well unless you're mechanically confirmed town, which at that point fuck you for playing bad.

[QUOTE=Auwt;871151]Im just seeing someone claiming the easy role of Town Power, to get out of the Citizen block.
As long you do not claim your thing, you are still a potential scum.

Power can be scum or town, Citizen can only be town. There is a big difference between those kind of claims.
As we are trying to clear the Citizen side from an obvious scum, I do not consider claiming your power role is anti-town.[/QUOTE]

Yeah ash I gotta go with Auwt. We should be laying our cards on the table and try to solve the game, that includes bakermir.
In case anyone missed it earlier, Dallarain claimed [COLOR="#00FF00"]Citizen[/COLOR], and I'm reinforcing that claim.

Man, I really dislike when games enter the sort of puzzle solving stage this early, I like to see power role interactions a bit more.

Originally Posted by Auwt

Im just seeing someone claiming the easy role of Town Power, to get out of the Citizen block.
As long you do not claim your thing, you are still a potential scum.

Power can be scum or town, Citizen can only be town. There is a big difference between those kind of claims.
As we are trying to clear the Citizen side from an obvious scum, I do not consider claiming your power role is anti-town.

Yeah ash I gotta go with Auwt. We should be laying our cards on the table and try to solve the game, that includes bakermir.
In case anyone missed it earlier, Dallarain claimed Citizen, and I'm reinforcing that claim.

Man, I really dislike when games enter the sort of puzzle solving stage this early, I like to see power role interactions a bit more.

[QUOTE=bakermir;871143]
I have one more suggestion; maybe we can lynch Dallarian slot because I am getting the feeling that new player claiming citizen without reads is hella sus to me. Do we really have the time for him?
[/QUOTE]

I hate the fact that you're probably town and that we're stuck with you

Originally Posted by bakermir

I have one more suggestion; maybe we can lynch Dallarian slot because I am getting the feeling that new player claiming citizen without reads is hella sus to me. Do we really have the time for him?

I hate the fact that you're probably town and that we're stuck with you

Grak, you mind doing me a huge favor and explaining why exact you targeted bake?

Grak, you mind doing me a huge favor and explaining why exact you targeted bake?

[QUOTE=Drizzt;871138][COLOR="#00FFFF"]Have you claimed town yet?[/COLOR] I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted.[/QUOTE]

oh what's the alternative? he claims scum? lmao

Originally Posted by Drizzt

Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted.

oh what's the alternative? he claims scum? lmao

Fucking hell, well I'm too lazy to pick things back up from before #246, which was

[QUOTE=Dallarian;870136]Good night.
I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on.

I will leave you with one question.
Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin?[/QUOTE]

Is this where y'all thought Dall was softin' invest? Lmao, he was just tryin' ask if they were worth keeping alive for invests to check them, which our one invest claim didn't do Kappa

Fucking hell, well I'm too lazy to pick things back up from before #246, which was

Originally Posted by Dallarian

Good night.
I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on.

I will leave you with one question.
Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin?

Is this where y'all thought Dall was softin' invest? Lmao, he was just tryin' ask if they were worth keeping alive for invests to check them, which our one invest claim didn't do

fucking quoter broke fml

fucking quoter broke fml