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your shield doesn't block poison does it

hippo
your shield doesn't block poison does it

[QUOTE=FM-Lipstick;1019460]Uh

Isn't game ending now

Should be not make a decision?
[MENTION=46680]FM-Lassie[/MENTION] [MENTION=46694]FM-Player 2[/MENTION] ?[/QUOTE]

idk I'm bouncing back and forth

Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick

Uh

Isn't game ending now

Should be not make a decision?
@FM-Lassie @FM-Player 2 ?

idk I'm bouncing back and forth

[QUOTE=FM-Platypus;1019446]But you’ll hate yourself even more if you decide to Lynch me tonight and I flip town. Because you knew it wasn’t the right play[/QUOTE]

[S]I have kinda felt this way about Chibi[/S]

Originally Posted by FM-Platypus

But you’ll hate yourself even more if you decide to Lynch me tonight and I flip town. Because you knew it wasn’t the right play

I have kinda felt this way about Chibi

[QUOTE=FM-Lipstick;1019416]Wait what action do you have [MENTION=46694]FM-Player 2[/MENTION][/QUOTE]

this is. maybe better unspecified
but he's claimed it to me

Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick

Wait what action do you have @FM-Player 2

this is. maybe better unspecified
but he's claimed it to me

[MENTION=46694]FM-Player 2[/MENTION]
if we kill one of Autumn/Hippo today
and they're town
you should target Plat

@FM-Player 2
if we kill one of Autumn/Hippo today
and they're town
you should target Plat

[QUOTE=FM-Lipstick;1019383]Or it's Plat/Hippo and I just lose the game for town now with my suggestion

Would be just my luck

P2, Lassie, how do you lean?[/QUOTE]

I mean
If it's 2 wolves I will feel really dumb postgame but
I don't think it is
and in a 1-wolf world killing town Plat means we have to solve Hippo/Autumn
vs having a high chance of just killing all 3 and winning

Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick

Or it's Plat/Hippo and I just lose the game for town now with my suggestion

Would be just my luck

P2, Lassie, how do you lean?

I mean
If it's 2 wolves I will feel really dumb postgame but
I don't think it is
and in a 1-wolf world killing town Plat means we have to solve Hippo/Autumn
vs having a high chance of just killing all 3 and winning

[QUOTE=FM-Lipstick;1019382]No.



I don't even know what this is referring to halp[/QUOTE]

choo's role had a thing where they guess who players will vote
they couldn't guess players who were in wolfchat with him though
(or choo could just coordinate and get a bunch of points easily)

it's. possible choo told the truth and it's just plat
but that feels like way too big an oversight

Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick

No.



I don't even know what this is referring to halp

choo's role had a thing where they guess who players will vote
they couldn't guess players who were in wolfchat with him though
(or choo could just coordinate and get a bunch of points easily)

it's. possible choo told the truth and it's just plat
but that feels like way too big an oversight

[QUOTE=FM-Lipstick;1019371]What do you think about Hippo and Plat both being ok with this plan?[/QUOTE]

not directed to me but. idk
a bit of me worries whether wolves still have a factional roleblock left
because if they do. then if Hippo is wolf they roleblock Plat and we can only kill one of them

Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick

What do you think about Hippo and Plat both being ok with this plan?

not directed to me but. idk
a bit of me worries whether wolves still have a factional roleblock left
because if they do. then if Hippo is wolf they roleblock Plat and we can only kill one of them

[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1019352]i mean they wouldn't have been able to guess everything that happens lategame
and i'm mainly talking abt the last few kills, which have happened when we've had basically only choo+whoever's the last wolf alive[/QUOTE]

mmmmmmm
i mean, killing the roleblocker who's confirming people town seems like a good play regardless
the other kills. I can kinda see

but again
it's not hard to take advice from dead wolves
I guess there's the argument that for Plat those kills aren't great
but honestly Plat was more in upper POE since n4 (?) when they missed the poison
so they probably wouldn't feel as threatened by towncore

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

i mean they wouldn't have been able to guess everything that happens lategame
and i'm mainly talking abt the last few kills, which have happened when we've had basically only choo+whoever's the last wolf alive

mmmmmmm
i mean, killing the roleblocker who's confirming people town seems like a good play regardless
the other kills. I can kinda see

but again
it's not hard to take advice from dead wolves
I guess there's the argument that for Plat those kills aren't great
but honestly Plat was more in upper POE since n4 (?) when they missed the poison
so they probably wouldn't feel as threatened by towncore

[QUOTE=FM-Lipstick;1019353]This is a good way to think about it and expresses how I feel better

If we do live in a 2 wolf world, Plat is always one

Maybe I'm a coward, but I just don't want to lose today

And I'm all about procrastinating the problem if the wolf is either Autumn or Hippo

And maybe I'm lucky and will die before that

And in that world, if Hippo is the wolf, I will say that I was the one tinfoiling him the whole game
And if Autumn is the wolf, I will say that I was more suss of them in the end
So success[/QUOTE]

our wincon is to win, not feel less bad about losing
and like. yeah Plat is probably a wolf if there are 2 wolves
but there probably arent 2 wolves
and we sacrifice a kill by betting on it

Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick

This is a good way to think about it and expresses how I feel better

If we do live in a 2 wolf world, Plat is always one

Maybe I'm a coward, but I just don't want to lose today

And I'm all about procrastinating the problem if the wolf is either Autumn or Hippo

And maybe I'm lucky and will die before that

And in that world, if Hippo is the wolf, I will say that I was the one tinfoiling him the whole game
And if Autumn is the wolf, I will say that I was more suss of them in the end
So success

our wincon is to win, not feel less bad about losing
and like. yeah Plat is probably a wolf if there are 2 wolves
but there probably arent 2 wolves
and we sacrifice a kill by betting on it

[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1011607]i'm in a hood with mr clean and candy, and [B]candy's full rolecard has been posted there[/B]. and we know all of their actions. and i think the way they've acted around that and used their actions is just really towny (esp since from what i've seen, a lot of what candy's done this game was really just following the stuff that sss said in that hood. i dont think they have wolfchat to tell them what to do or anything, it feels like they've kept using that hood as kinda that "chat where they try to figure out how to play the game"?)

like i'm probably not able to explain it that well but i just really think they're towny based on their posting there

(it's literally the exact same reason than sss was shielding them for lol)[/QUOTE]

does this include what the role actually did
because that never flipped abilities
also is it mod-confirmed that it's the whole card, or was it Candy claiming they've posted everything

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

i'm in a hood with mr clean and candy, and candy's full rolecard has been posted there. and we know all of their actions. and i think the way they've acted around that and used their actions is just really towny (esp since from what i've seen, a lot of what candy's done this game was really just following the stuff that sss said in that hood. i dont think they have wolfchat to tell them what to do or anything, it feels like they've kept using that hood as kinda that "chat where they try to figure out how to play the game"?)

like i'm probably not able to explain it that well but i just really think they're towny based on their posting there

(it's literally the exact same reason than sss was shielding them for lol)

does this include what the role actually did
because that never flipped abilities
also is it mod-confirmed that it's the whole card, or was it Candy claiming they've posted everything

[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1019344]i mean i still keep having the feeling that it can't be plat because the mech (night kills etc) feel too planned, in a way which i think implies a wolf who's like. not plat lol?[/QUOTE]

this is. one of the reads that feels like TMI
like, there were many active, skilled wolves who likely gave advice while alive
it's probably at least. less likely Plat for it but
not a super strong point

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

i mean i still keep having the feeling that it can't be plat because the mech (night kills etc) feel too planned, in a way which i think implies a wolf who's like. not plat lol?

this is. one of the reads that feels like TMI
like, there were many active, skilled wolves who likely gave advice while alive
it's probably at least. less likely Plat for it but
not a super strong point

[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1019340].... if you actually get me into that f3 i'll make sure to murder you there completely regardless of what your alignment even is[/QUOTE]

is this a serious post

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

.... if you actually get me into that f3 i'll make sure to murder you there completely regardless of what your alignment even is

is this a serious post

Lip do you know when most wolves reacted to your push on Scarf? and specifically when wolves were making unsure reactions
because from what I remember Hippo initially didn't say too much about it, and wanted to consider Scarf the next day, but then they switched at like 12 something EST

Lip do you know when most wolves reacted to your push on Scarf? and specifically when wolves were making unsure reactions
because from what I remember Hippo initially didn't say too much about it, and wanted to consider Scarf the next day, but then they switched at like 12 something EST

[QUOTE=FM-Lassie;1019327]mmmmmmmmm[/QUOTE]

I can kinda see wolf Autumn here
but idk

like I can see the way they're townreading me/p2/plat as TMI-ish, especially on the last page
since some of the reasons there are a bit suspect
but then it's like. why wouldn't they provide more reasons, on people like P2, instead of just saying they're super towny
if they're being affected by TMI

Originally Posted by FM-Lassie

mmmmmmmmm

I can kinda see wolf Autumn here
but idk

like I can see the way they're townreading me/p2/plat as TMI-ish, especially on the last page
since some of the reasons there are a bit suspect
but then it's like. why wouldn't they provide more reasons, on people like P2, instead of just saying they're super towny
if they're being affected by TMI

mmmmmmmmm

mmmmmmmmm

as for. general thoughts on Hippo from today
their push on me does add up with Choo's push on me earlier.
Choo likely thought they might be able to get me killed before them
which makes sense if Hippo is a wolfmate, because wolf Hippo clearly thinks that, and Hippo was working off an older view of the game

same could probably be said of wolf plat
given their shot on me

as for. general thoughts on Hippo from today
their push on me does add up with Choo's push on me earlier.
Choo likely thought they might be able to get me killed before them
which makes sense if Hippo is a wolfmate, because wolf Hippo clearly thinks that, and Hippo was working off an older view of the game

same could probably be said of wolf plat
given their shot on me

while going through Hippo's ISO there were a good amount of pretty townsidey posts (like ones where they want to kill/vote wolf and wolf)
but there are also some wolfsidey posts
I have to sleep now but it is probably worth checking if the townsidey posts were disproportionately at times when it didn't matter as much

while going through Hippo's ISO there were a good amount of pretty townsidey posts (like ones where they want to kill/vote wolf and wolf)
but there are also some wolfsidey posts
I have to sleep now but it is probably worth checking if the townsidey posts were disproportionately at times when it didn't matter as much

[QUOTE=FM-Lassie;1019284][SPOILER=hippo][SPOILER=Hippo's progression on Scarf (D2 and a bit of D3), pre-wolfread]




































[/SPOILER]

Somewhat of a side note: I really don't like the way they encourage Scarf's shot list while also calling it bad:









I can understand the point of "people shouldn't be wolfreading Scarf just because the current flips have been town" but the first post is pretty clearly encouraging people to go with it? Which doesn't make a lot of sense if you disagree.

----------- Lipstick case happens


(above in response to Ring)





(gut bolded for later)







This post is only about 20 minutes after the reads list above.
They say Kirby was very towny (which is not at all mentioned in the reads list) and don’t mention Scarf here, despite having Scarf as top tier of green there. If they mixed up Kirby/Scarf, that’s still really strange? There’s very little progression on Scarf and they didn’t interact with Lipstick’s case at all.





(gut bolded for earlier)









I'm leaving off here, as at this point Scarf was very likely going over (and I need to finish this and sleep)

Hippo:
-Did not interact with Lipstick's case (at least not while it hadn't gain much traction)
-Swaps both read and gut feeling on Scarf, based on them defending wolves. But for a while, they saw Scarf defended wolves, and continued to TR him. Only after Scarf gained more suspicion did Hippo switch
-(Somewhat similar to above point) didn't really have much progression to flip this read

[SPOILER=tinfoil inside]






(this is not a very good point but I can’t help but notice it)


[/SPOILER][/SPOILER][/QUOTE]

[MENTION=46681]FM-Lipstick[/MENTION] can you look at the quotes I have on Hippo's progression on Scarf, around where you made your case? and look back at the thread at the time so you can see how the tides were turning when Hippo was making those posts
and tell me if it makes sense
because like. yeah I find it convincing but I've been as sure, and wrong, a lot this game

Originally Posted by FM-Lassie

Spoiler : hippo :

Spoiler : Hippo's progression on Scarf (D2 and a bit of D3), pre-wolfread :

Somewhat of a side note: I really don't like the way they encourage Scarf's shot list while also calling it bad:









I can understand the point of "people shouldn't be wolfreading Scarf just because the current flips have been town" but the first post is pretty clearly encouraging people to go with it? Which doesn't make a lot of sense if you disagree.

----------- Lipstick case happens


(above in response to Ring)





(gut bolded for later)







This post is only about 20 minutes after the reads list above.
They say Kirby was very towny (which is not at all mentioned in the reads list) and don’t mention Scarf here, despite having Scarf as top tier of green there. If they mixed up Kirby/Scarf, that’s still really strange? There’s very little progression on Scarf and they didn’t interact with Lipstick’s case at all.





(gut bolded for earlier)









I'm leaving off here, as at this point Scarf was very likely going over (and I need to finish this and sleep)

Hippo:
-Did not interact with Lipstick's case (at least not while it hadn't gain much traction)
-Swaps both read and gut feeling on Scarf, based on them defending wolves. But for a while, they saw Scarf defended wolves, and continued to TR him. Only after Scarf gained more suspicion did Hippo switch
-(Somewhat similar to above point) didn't really have much progression to flip this read

Spoiler : tinfoil inside :

(this is not a very good point but I can’t help but notice it)

@FM-Lipstick can you look at the quotes I have on Hippo's progression on Scarf, around where you made your case? and look back at the thread at the time so you can see how the tides were turning when Hippo was making those posts
and tell me if it makes sense
because like. yeah I find it convincing but I've been as sure, and wrong, a lot this game

more minor point:

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005828]LIST AS GIVEN TO ME:
[B]
FM-Popcorn Axolotl
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Old Lickilicky[/COLOR] This is ITA immune, should be removed in principle, but I wont waste my removal there.
FM-Monet Rocket
[COLOR="#00FF00"][S]FM-Pareidolia[/S][/COLOR] - removed by me, cus I vibe with them.
FM-Decepticon
FM-Platypus
[COLOR="#00FF00"][S]FM-The Great Flood[/S][/COLOR] I remember slightly vibing with them at one point and thats more than I can say for the rest of the mfing list. Removed
FM-Wakka Wakka
FM-Lassie
FM-ZOMG
FM-Thumbs Up
FM-Four Past Seven
[/B]

LIST AFTER REMOVALS
[B]FM-Popcorn Axolotl
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Old Lickilicky[/COLOR] This is ITA immune claim btw
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Decepticon
FM-Platypus
FM-Wakka Wakka
FM-Lassie
FM-ZOMG
FM-Thumbs Up
FM-Four Past Seven
[/B]
[MENTION=46705]FM-Space Pizza[/MENTION] - Remove 2, pass on to your top townread. The remaining few after this ends are our ITA 2 shot list[/QUOTE]

(Autumn pointed out the above earlier)

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1018922]Ok I want to defend myself real quick about this because i remember making this post now

First of all this listvwas fucking infested 5 wolfes (so far) flipped there out of 11 people (not counting ita immune claim) in the list. Also notice how my explanations were literally “i had a small vibe with them which is more than i can say for the rest of the list”. Fact is the whole list was just good kills

Also at that point pizza had just shot pyramid and confirmed me after i tried to shoot them so i kinda trusted them with my life[/QUOTE]

since Lickilicky had to be removed, if Hippo wasn't confident on removing anyone it feels strange to not take them out
(I see the counterargument that Hippo knew Licky would be removed by someone, and he would rather be in control of the other removes. which is why this is a minor point. but I still dont like it because if your reads on those players aren't strong, it makes more sense to trust your townreads, who likely do have stronger reads, to make better picks)

more minor point:

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

LIST AS GIVEN TO ME:

FM-Popcorn Axolotl
FM-Old Lickilicky This is ITA immune, should be removed in principle, but I wont waste my removal there.
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Pareidolia - removed by me, cus I vibe with them.
FM-Decepticon
FM-Platypus
FM-The Great Flood I remember slightly vibing with them at one point and thats more than I can say for the rest of the mfing list. Removed
FM-Wakka Wakka
FM-Lassie
FM-ZOMG
FM-Thumbs Up
FM-Four Past Seven


LIST AFTER REMOVALS
FM-Popcorn Axolotl
FM-Old Lickilicky This is ITA immune claim btw
FM-Monet Rocket
FM-Decepticon
FM-Platypus
FM-Wakka Wakka
FM-Lassie
FM-ZOMG
FM-Thumbs Up
FM-Four Past Seven

@FM-Space Pizza - Remove 2, pass on to your top townread. The remaining few after this ends are our ITA 2 shot list

(Autumn pointed out the above earlier)

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Ok I want to defend myself real quick about this because i remember making this post now

First of all this listvwas fucking infested 5 wolfes (so far) flipped there out of 11 people (not counting ita immune claim) in the list. Also notice how my explanations were literally “i had a small vibe with them which is more than i can say for the rest of the list”. Fact is the whole list was just good kills

Also at that point pizza had just shot pyramid and confirmed me after i tried to shoot them so i kinda trusted them with my life

since Lickilicky had to be removed, if Hippo wasn't confident on removing anyone it feels strange to not take them out
(I see the counterargument that Hippo knew Licky would be removed by someone, and he would rather be in control of the other removes. which is why this is a minor point. but I still dont like it because if your reads on those players aren't strong, it makes more sense to trust your townreads, who likely do have stronger reads, to make better picks)

[SPOILER=Hippo's progression on Scarf (D2 and a bit of D3), pre-wolfread]
[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005034][WARNING: Im about to make a wolfy post, but it mist be done]


“Guys yall townread this?”

-Scarf after I decided i disliked the shotlist and shot pizza[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005164][B]DO NOT GIVE UP ON SCARFS LIST JUST BECAUSE IF FLIPPED DOWN (ASSUMING YOU YOURSELF AGREED WITH THE LIST BEFORE THE FLIPS. IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING FOR THE UNFLIPPED ONES)[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005156]THIS IS FAIR.

TO BE CLEAR: I DISLIKE THE LIST, BUT ITS MORE BECAUSE I THINK ZOMG/PIZZA SHOULDVE BEEN THERE

If you had scumreads on the list before, the flips of others in said list should NOT influence it.[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005167]This is the team im on, but scarf had a valid concern so im signal boosting it

i personally didint like it before any flips[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005175]im not letting that happen. i didnt like the list, but ppl being too unfair on scarf[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005293]YOU KNEW THIS AND DIDN'T FUCKING HARD PUSH JOYCAT FOR ITAS??????

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005297]I know they were in the shotlist and all but also ????????????

You couldve at least made a effort to make them stand out ffs[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005299]Or hell even better, fucking matchstick for ITA????

To see who shoots there???[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005301]You literally couldve gotten people to shoot at match and whoever actually went for it inside a pool of 4 others is probably fine???

Like jesus christ scarf[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005308](thats why I said OR)

bruhhhhhhhhh[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005316]Im incredibly mad at how badly handled the assymetric info Scarf had was. Thats literally one of the strongest things you can have over wolfes (strong info they dont have) and it was like heavily missused.

With that being said im down to hang Matchsticks -> Joycat (if match is red) and we just fucking crucify scarf if match flips town[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005328]Scarfs hood managed to bamboozle matchstick into claiming wolf in private.

Scarf proceeds to see joycat "conditionally greencheck" matchstick puts joycat for ITA (good move) AND THEN DOESNT PUSH FOR THEM AND INSTEAD ENDS UP SHOOTING ELSEHWERE THEMSELVES LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

THEY HAD A GOLDMINE IF THEY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

THE AMMOUNT OF TOWNCRED WE COULDVE GIVEN OUT FOR SHOTS INTO JOYCAT

We fucking murder match here, and nail scarf if thats town[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005338]?????????????????

We are absolutely NOT voting scarf[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005367]
[QUOTE=FM-Scarf;1005362]hey people itt rn who here has had me within their top 5 town for a significant portion of the game?[/QUOTE]


*raises hand*[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005435][UNVOTE][/UNVOTE]

Fucking based play overall tbh. I will unvote in favor of the plan where we flip Joycat anyways (at some point) in exchange for +1 in the case for matchstick town (if joycat is town) and if they arent town we got a wolf anyways[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1003757]Based take, I also quite like scarf[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011529]These were my reads near SoD

Circle of Trust
Dredge
Naptime
Scarf
Ringmaster
Atumn
Matchstick
Protagonist
Bad Hair Day
Space Pizza

These my reads now

Dredge
Naptime
Scarf
Ringmaster
Atumn
Matchstick
Protagonist
Bad Hair Day
Space Pizza
Lipstick
The Hat

Im pretty confident those are mostly town/all town except MAYBE dredge and thats just dying soon anyways i reckon[/QUOTE]

[/SPOILER]

Somewhat of a side note: I really don't like the way they encourage Scarf's shot list while also calling it bad:

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005164][B]DO NOT GIVE UP ON SCARFS LIST JUST BECAUSE IF FLIPPED DOWN (ASSUMING YOU YOURSELF AGREED WITH THE LIST BEFORE THE FLIPS. IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING FOR THE UNFLIPPED ONES)[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005156]THIS IS FAIR.

TO BE CLEAR: I DISLIKE THE LIST, BUT ITS MORE BECAUSE I THINK ZOMG/PIZZA SHOULDVE BEEN THERE

If you had scumreads on the list before, the flips of others in said list should NOT influence it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005167]This is the team im on, but scarf had a valid concern so im signal boosting it

i personally didint like it before any flips[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1005175]im not letting that happen. i didnt like the list, but ppl being too unfair on scarf[/QUOTE]

I can understand the point of "people shouldn't be wolfreading Scarf just because the current flips have been town" but the first post is pretty clearly encouraging people to go with it? Which doesn't make a lot of sense if you disagree.

----------- Lipstick case happens

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011576]Honestly I do remember them protecting wolfes like twice now

and they are shielding candy as well

def not a good look, but we can worry about scarf tommorow i reckon?[/QUOTE]
(above in response to Ring)

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011586]morning scarf

people tell me you have taken a grand total of 3 wolfes out of shotlists pls explain[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011634]My toughts right now, someone gib opnions?

[COLOR="#008000"]FM-Autumn[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Bad Hair Day[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Breakup[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Candyfloss[/COLOR] - but is shielded by a strong TR
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Catnip[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Chibi Minnie[/COLOR] gut cus of something they gave me
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Choo-Choo[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Chromatography[/COLOR] gut
[COLOR="#008000"]FM-Dredge[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Droopy Snout[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Eyescream[/COLOR] gut
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Four Past Seven[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Goldfish Bowl[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Joycat[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Lassie[/COLOR] gut
[COLOR="#008000"]FM-Lipstick[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Mining Peep[/COLOR] gut
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Monet Rocket[/COLOR] gut [this is gonna backfire but idrc]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Mr Clean[/COLOR] gut + defended by strong TR
[COLOR="#008000"]FM-Old Lickilicky[/COLOR] hood + spewed by redcross + being willing to kill ZOMG upon being hung
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Peekaboo[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Platypus[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Player 2[/COLOR] gut
[COLOR="#008000"]@FM-Protagonist Hair[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#008000"]@FM-Ringmaster[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Scarf[/COLOR] [B]gut[/B], but might re-eval
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-Space Pizza[/COLOR] gut + shooting wolfes
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-The Great Flood[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]FM-The Hat[/COLOR] gut + i think they are spewed
[COLOR="#FF0000"]FM-Tiny Hippo[/COLOR] obvious wolf
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]FM-Yellow Snow[/COLOR] unsure, trended down past D1[/QUOTE]

(gut bolded for later)


[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011665]Mindmeld that I wasn't brave enough to post because scarf pinged me as very townie earlier into the game and my ego doesn't wanna admit I was wrong there[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011676]I don't know tbh, I have been trying to find town cus it was easier for me to do that this game

But gun to my head if I **HAD** to give names right now

Piss Kirby/Candyfloss/Joycat/Goldfish/scarf?

Yeah yeah I know kirby was VERY townie and all that shit but if I just let my brain type out names that come to mind as scummy those are it[/QUOTE]

This post is only about 20 minutes after the reads list above.
They say Kirby was very towny (which is not at all mentioned in the reads list) and don’t mention Scarf here, despite having Scarf as top tier of green there. If they mixed up Kirby/Scarf, that’s still really strange? There’s very little progression on Scarf and they didn’t interact with Lipstick’s case at all.

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011679]
[QUOTE=FM-Ringmaster;1011677]scarf try not to defend wolf challenge impossinble[/QUOTE]


I both hate and love that post by scarf

they are probably right, its conf bias, but im not convinced ringmaster is wrong[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011683]No like

its conf bias in the sense you are hugging that argument and riding it wherever it takes you

scarf defended a lot of wolfes.

I have once defended half the wolfteam in a game as town. (not an KRC game). So its possible it's not damming for them, but [B]gut says it's wolf[/B][/QUOTE]

(gut bolded for earlier)

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011700]Fuck it, im feeling bold

[VOTE]FM-Scarf[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011702]
[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1011701]i'm actually a bit worried about how scarf was acting during the d2 first ita now. like all that stuff about "knowing matchstick is wolf and wanting to kill joycat because they defended matchstick", but then not pushing either that much during the ITAs at all, and actually ended up shooting at a wolf outside of that also?

like idk i'm just worried that maybe it was because scarf was wolf who wanted to look good from pushing "correct" stuff during the ita? and that as town they'd have been more confident on just pushing whoever they think is wolf, especially when they believed they have mech info that others don't?[/QUOTE]



this is a solid point tbh[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011706]Ok so, spicy take here.

Peekaboo should day vig scarf, if they hop in right about now

Why? Bceause getting a instant scarf flip helps more than getting a instant monet flip. We can just wagon monet if yall really want to, but if its a w scarf flip im voting into someone else[/QUOTE]

I'm leaving off here, as at this point Scarf was very likely going over (and I need to finish this and sleep)

Hippo:
-Did not interact with Lipstick's case (at least not while it hadn't gain much traction)
-Swaps both read and gut feeling on Scarf, based on them defending wolves. But for a while, they saw Scarf defended wolves, and continued to TR him. Only after Scarf gained more suspicion did Hippo switch
-(Somewhat similar to above point) didn't really have much progression to flip this read

[SPOILER=tinfoil inside]


[QUOTE=FM-Lipstick;1011542]As a closing remark, there are some slots that are very unlikely teamed with Scarf. These includes
Hat (For obvious reasons. Scarf has kind of tunnelled them all game, a bit lethargically. Links Hat to RC before RC flips.)
Joycat (Actively trying to get Joycat shot at all game. Unlikely teamed unless Joycat is exactly and ITA immune role or something.)
Candy (#[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/51399-KRC-Sc2Mafia-13th-Anniversary-Game-(S-FM-357)?p=997980&viewfull=1#post997980"]1260[/URL] A bit weaker, but the language in this post suggests not teamed, especially for how early game it is)

If any here flip wolf, maybe ease up on Scarf.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1011581]I would liek to execute candy floss today tbh[/QUOTE]

(this is not a very good point but I can’t help but notice it)


[/SPOILER]

Spoiler : Hippo's progression on Scarf (D2 and a bit of D3), pre-wolfread :

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

[WARNING: Im about to make a wolfy post, but it mist be done]


“Guys yall townread this?”

-Scarf after I decided i disliked the shotlist and shot pizza

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

DO NOT GIVE UP ON SCARFS LIST JUST BECAUSE IF FLIPPED DOWN (ASSUMING YOU YOURSELF AGREED WITH THE LIST BEFORE THE FLIPS. IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING FOR THE UNFLIPPED ONES)

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

THIS IS FAIR.

TO BE CLEAR: I DISLIKE THE LIST, BUT ITS MORE BECAUSE I THINK ZOMG/PIZZA SHOULDVE BEEN THERE

If you had scumreads on the list before, the flips of others in said list should NOT influence it.

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

This is the team im on, but scarf had a valid concern so im signal boosting it

i personally didint like it before any flips

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

im not letting that happen. i didnt like the list, but ppl being too unfair on scarf

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

YOU KNEW THIS AND DIDN'T FUCKING HARD PUSH JOYCAT FOR ITAS??????

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

I know they were in the shotlist and all but also ????????????

You couldve at least made a effort to make them stand out ffs

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Or hell even better, fucking matchstick for ITA????

To see who shoots there???

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

You literally couldve gotten people to shoot at match and whoever actually went for it inside a pool of 4 others is probably fine???

Like jesus christ scarf

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

(thats why I said OR)

bruhhhhhhhhh

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Im incredibly mad at how badly handled the assymetric info Scarf had was. Thats literally one of the strongest things you can have over wolfes (strong info they dont have) and it was like heavily missused.

With that being said im down to hang Matchsticks -> Joycat (if match is red) and we just fucking crucify scarf if match flips town

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Scarfs hood managed to bamboozle matchstick into claiming wolf in private.

Scarf proceeds to see joycat "conditionally greencheck" matchstick puts joycat for ITA (good move) AND THEN DOESNT PUSH FOR THEM AND INSTEAD ENDS UP SHOOTING ELSEHWERE THEMSELVES LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

THEY HAD A GOLDMINE IF THEY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

THE AMMOUNT OF TOWNCRED WE COULDVE GIVEN OUT FOR SHOTS INTO JOYCAT

We fucking murder match here, and nail scarf if thats town

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

?????????????????

We are absolutely NOT voting scarf

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Originally Posted by FM-Scarf

hey people itt rn who here has had me within their top 5 town for a significant portion of the game?

*raises hand*

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

-unvote

Fucking based play overall tbh. I will unvote in favor of the plan where we flip Joycat anyways (at some point) in exchange for +1 in the case for matchstick town (if joycat is town) and if they arent town we got a wolf anyways

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Based take, I also quite like scarf

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

These were my reads near SoD

Circle of Trust
Dredge
Naptime
Scarf
Ringmaster
Atumn
Matchstick
Protagonist
Bad Hair Day
Space Pizza

These my reads now

Dredge
Naptime
Scarf
Ringmaster
Atumn
Matchstick
Protagonist
Bad Hair Day
Space Pizza
Lipstick
The Hat

Im pretty confident those are mostly town/all town except MAYBE dredge and thats just dying soon anyways i reckon

Somewhat of a side note: I really don't like the way they encourage Scarf's shot list while also calling it bad:

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

DO NOT GIVE UP ON SCARFS LIST JUST BECAUSE IF FLIPPED DOWN (ASSUMING YOU YOURSELF AGREED WITH THE LIST BEFORE THE FLIPS. IT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING FOR THE UNFLIPPED ONES)

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

THIS IS FAIR.

TO BE CLEAR: I DISLIKE THE LIST, BUT ITS MORE BECAUSE I THINK ZOMG/PIZZA SHOULDVE BEEN THERE

If you had scumreads on the list before, the flips of others in said list should NOT influence it.

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

This is the team im on, but scarf had a valid concern so im signal boosting it

i personally didint like it before any flips

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

im not letting that happen. i didnt like the list, but ppl being too unfair on scarf

I can understand the point of "people shouldn't be wolfreading Scarf just because the current flips have been town" but the first post is pretty clearly encouraging people to go with it? Which doesn't make a lot of sense if you disagree.

----------- Lipstick case happens

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Honestly I do remember them protecting wolfes like twice now

and they are shielding candy as well

def not a good look, but we can worry about scarf tommorow i reckon?

(above in response to Ring)

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

morning scarf

people tell me you have taken a grand total of 3 wolfes out of shotlists pls explain

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

My toughts right now, someone gib opnions?

FM-Autumn
FM-Bad Hair Day
FM-Breakup
FM-Candyfloss - but is shielded by a strong TR
FM-Catnip
FM-Chibi Minnie gut cus of something they gave me
FM-Choo-Choo
FM-Chromatography gut
FM-Dredge
FM-Droopy Snout
FM-Eyescream gut
FM-Four Past Seven
FM-Goldfish Bowl
FM-Joycat
FM-Lassie gut
FM-Lipstick
FM-Mining Peep gut
FM-Monet Rocket gut [this is gonna backfire but idrc]
FM-Mr Clean gut + defended by strong TR
FM-Old Lickilicky hood + spewed by redcross + being willing to kill ZOMG upon being hung
FM-Peekaboo
FM-Platypus
FM-Player 2 gut
@FM-Protagonist Hair
@FM-Ringmaster
FM-Scarf gut, but might re-eval
FM-Space Pizza gut + shooting wolfes
FM-The Great Flood
FM-The Hat gut + i think they are spewed
FM-Tiny Hippo obvious wolf
FM-Yellow Snow unsure, trended down past D1

(gut bolded for later)

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Mindmeld that I wasn't brave enough to post because scarf pinged me as very townie earlier into the game and my ego doesn't wanna admit I was wrong there

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

I don't know tbh, I have been trying to find town cus it was easier for me to do that this game

But gun to my head if I **HAD** to give names right now

Piss Kirby/Candyfloss/Joycat/Goldfish/scarf?

Yeah yeah I know kirby was VERY townie and all that shit but if I just let my brain type out names that come to mind as scummy those are it

This post is only about 20 minutes after the reads list above.
They say Kirby was very towny (which is not at all mentioned in the reads list) and don’t mention Scarf here, despite having Scarf as top tier of green there. If they mixed up Kirby/Scarf, that’s still really strange? There’s very little progression on Scarf and they didn’t interact with Lipstick’s case at all.

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Originally Posted by FM-Ringmaster

scarf try not to defend wolf challenge impossinble

I both hate and love that post by scarf

they are probably right, its conf bias, but im not convinced ringmaster is wrong

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

No like

its conf bias in the sense you are hugging that argument and riding it wherever it takes you

scarf defended a lot of wolfes.

I have once defended half the wolfteam in a game as town. (not an KRC game). So its possible it's not damming for them, but gut says it's wolf

(gut bolded for earlier)

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Fuck it, im feeling bold

-vote FM-Scarf

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

i'm actually a bit worried about how scarf was acting during the d2 first ita now. like all that stuff about "knowing matchstick is wolf and wanting to kill joycat because they defended matchstick", but then not pushing either that much during the ITAs at all, and actually ended up shooting at a wolf outside of that also?

like idk i'm just worried that maybe it was because scarf was wolf who wanted to look good from pushing "correct" stuff during the ita? and that as town they'd have been more confident on just pushing whoever they think is wolf, especially when they believed they have mech info that others don't?

this is a solid point tbh

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

Ok so, spicy take here.

Peekaboo should day vig scarf, if they hop in right about now

Why? Bceause getting a instant scarf flip helps more than getting a instant monet flip. We can just wagon monet if yall really want to, but if its a w scarf flip im voting into someone else

I'm leaving off here, as at this point Scarf was very likely going over (and I need to finish this and sleep)

Hippo:
-Did not interact with Lipstick's case (at least not while it hadn't gain much traction)
-Swaps both read and gut feeling on Scarf, based on them defending wolves. But for a while, they saw Scarf defended wolves, and continued to TR him. Only after Scarf gained more suspicion did Hippo switch
-(Somewhat similar to above point) didn't really have much progression to flip this read

Spoiler : tinfoil inside :

Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick

As a closing remark, there are some slots that are very unlikely teamed with Scarf. These includes
Hat (For obvious reasons. Scarf has kind of tunnelled them all game, a bit lethargically. Links Hat to RC before RC flips.)
Joycat (Actively trying to get Joycat shot at all game. Unlikely teamed unless Joycat is exactly and ITA immune role or something.)
Candy (#1260 A bit weaker, but the language in this post suggests not teamed, especially for how early game it is)

If any here flip wolf, maybe ease up on Scarf.

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

I would liek to execute candy floss today tbh

(this is not a very good point but I can’t help but notice it)

mmmm
[MENTION=46661]FM-Autumn[/MENTION]
Can you quote and explain some of the posts that make you confident P2 is town? not necessarily the generally convincing stuff
but whatever makes you feel warm and comfy about the read
even if it is not the kind of stuff that you think would sway us

mmmm
@FM-Autumn
Can you quote and explain some of the posts that make you confident P2 is town? not necessarily the generally convincing stuff
but whatever makes you feel warm and comfy about the read
even if it is not the kind of stuff that you think would sway us

overall where I'm at rn is. Lipstick I'm fully clearing.

We can only kill 3 people so if I have to choose another person to clear it'd be P2
that's partially based on how confident Autumn is there, though. and I am way less sure here than on Lipstick

Next towniest is Autumn imo
After pondering I can see the stuff about why they're not tinfoiling P2, while tinfoiling other people
like, no one's pushing there, so it's a lot easier to not tinfoil when no one disagrees
whereas with me, some people are pushing, so I can see them second-guessing themselves and trying to justify their townread
(though I can also see the frequent posts about me being town as pocketing me. and like it's kinda working; I feel a bit bad pushing here when they might just be correct town)

but. I still get pinged a bit by some of the joke-sounding posts
like [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/51399-KRC-Sc2Mafia-13th-Anniversary-Game-(S-FM-357)/page449[/url]
there are a few of these where it's an awkwardish joke in the midst of an otherwise serious conversation/push, from what I remember

idk what to think about their thoughts on Lipstick. like, it isn't unreasonable that, given we have 3 kills, and given me/p2 are town, for them to just want everyone but them + us killed
but like. it's hard to square it with not tinfoiling P2 at all
this might be my bias of townreading Lipstick a lot more but. idk

overall where I'm at rn is. Lipstick I'm fully clearing.

We can only kill 3 people so if I have to choose another person to clear it'd be P2
that's partially based on how confident Autumn is there, though. and I am way less sure here than on Lipstick

Next towniest is Autumn imo
After pondering I can see the stuff about why they're not tinfoiling P2, while tinfoiling other people
like, no one's pushing there, so it's a lot easier to not tinfoil when no one disagrees
whereas with me, some people are pushing, so I can see them second-guessing themselves and trying to justify their townread
(though I can also see the frequent posts about me being town as pocketing me. and like it's kinda working; I feel a bit bad pushing here when they might just be correct town)

but. I still get pinged a bit by some of the joke-sounding posts
like https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...M-357)/page449
there are a few of these where it's an awkwardish joke in the midst of an otherwise serious conversation/push, from what I remember

idk what to think about their thoughts on Lipstick. like, it isn't unreasonable that, given we have 3 kills, and given me/p2 are town, for them to just want everyone but them + us killed
but like. it's hard to square it with not tinfoiling P2 at all
this might be my bias of townreading Lipstick a lot more but. idk

[QUOTE=FM-Lassie;1019278]mmmmmmm
reading Hippo's ISO and just. not seeing things
like I can see townsidey/wolfsidey posts
and the push on Scarf
but that's stuff that's been talked about a lot[/QUOTE]

like I want some progression or lack thereof to jump out
or some really towny mindset
I'll have to comb through again looking specifically for stuff on Scarf

Originally Posted by FM-Lassie

mmmmmmm
reading Hippo's ISO and just. not seeing things
like I can see townsidey/wolfsidey posts
and the push on Scarf
but that's stuff that's been talked about a lot

like I want some progression or lack thereof to jump out
or some really towny mindset
I'll have to comb through again looking specifically for stuff on Scarf

mmmmmmm
reading Hippo's ISO and just. not seeing things
like I can see townsidey/wolfsidey posts
and the push on Scarf
but that's stuff that's been talked about a lot

mmmmmmm
reading Hippo's ISO and just. not seeing things
like I can see townsidey/wolfsidey posts
and the push on Scarf
but that's stuff that's been talked about a lot

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1019179]matchstick bait/hood with scarf is actually not a sellingpoint for me. Thats within something wolves realistically do if you ask me, and I can totally see wolves trying to focus everything into a few deep wolves, explaining why lassie didn't take the cred

anticlaim/holster thing doesn't need to be a problem if lassie simply is roleblock immune. We don't know their rolecard (unless im tripping?)

But I will admit my thing on lassie is mostly my gut going "this is smelly" but my gut is running on a pulse of the game that is pretty old by now ([B]around when we murked scarf, thats last time i had a good pulse[/B]) so it's def not the most accurate[/QUOTE]

at that time, you TRed me

[QUOTE=FM-Tiny Hippo;1012276]lassie is pocketed town i agree[/QUOTE]

so when and why did you change?

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

matchstick bait/hood with scarf is actually not a sellingpoint for me. Thats within something wolves realistically do if you ask me, and I can totally see wolves trying to focus everything into a few deep wolves, explaining why lassie didn't take the cred

anticlaim/holster thing doesn't need to be a problem if lassie simply is roleblock immune. We don't know their rolecard (unless im tripping?)

But I will admit my thing on lassie is mostly my gut going "this is smelly" but my gut is running on a pulse of the game that is pretty old by now (around when we murked scarf, thats last time i had a good pulse) so it's def not the most accurate

at that time, you TRed me

Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo

lassie is pocketed town i agree

so when and why did you change?

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[S]also part of me is thinking Scarf told Autumn to pocket me[/S]

also part of me is thinking Scarf told Autumn to pocket me

[MENTION=46661]FM-Autumn[/MENTION]

@FM-Autumn

[QUOTE=FM-Lassie;1019193]this is one thing bothering me about Autumn last night
specifically that they're assuming p2 gets cleared

also like... idk why they're not paranoid about p2
they've been paranoid about everyone else somewhat, and IDK what the towncase on p2 is other than getting hard pushed by wolves (which yeah is strong but like. idt that's so strong that there wouldn't be tinfoils, if there were tinfoils on Lipstick)[/QUOTE]

(@FM-Autumn can you explain your confidence on p2)

Originally Posted by FM-Lassie

this is one thing bothering me about Autumn last night
specifically that they're assuming p2 gets cleared

also like... idk why they're not paranoid about p2
they've been paranoid about everyone else somewhat, and IDK what the towncase on p2 is other than getting hard pushed by wolves (which yeah is strong but like. idt that's so strong that there wouldn't be tinfoils, if there were tinfoils on Lipstick)

(@FM-Autumn can you explain your confidence on p2)

[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1019045]tbh i don't think it's likely they have redirectors? or if they do, they probably can't use that ability every night?

because like. neither of the ppl who claimed investigative (me/p2) were redirected. chibi, also, seems to not have been redirected. and if wolves had redirector i think they'd have already started trying to mess with those "mech clears" last night?

but i also am atm just at. kill chibi today, if that flips town someone dies next night. then tomorrow kill hippo. if that's also town, then wolves can kill someone again and plat poisons lipstick. then we kill plat in f3. only way that fails is if somehow one of you/p2 is the last wolf and i really don't think that's the case ([B]and both of you are supposed to be cleared from those blocks anyway lol[/B]). (or if people don't want to trust me enough, in which case we'd need a third clear lol. but tbh i think i should be just blatantly obvtown from how i've played this game so yeah.)[/QUOTE]

this is one thing bothering me about Autumn last night
specifically that they're assuming p2 gets cleared

also like... idk why they're not paranoid about p2
they've been paranoid about everyone else somewhat, and IDK what the towncase on p2 is other than getting hard pushed by wolves (which yeah is strong but like. idt that's so strong that there wouldn't be tinfoils, if there were tinfoils on Lipstick)

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

tbh i don't think it's likely they have redirectors? or if they do, they probably can't use that ability every night?

because like. neither of the ppl who claimed investigative (me/p2) were redirected. chibi, also, seems to not have been redirected. and if wolves had redirector i think they'd have already started trying to mess with those "mech clears" last night?

but i also am atm just at. kill chibi today, if that flips town someone dies next night. then tomorrow kill hippo. if that's also town, then wolves can kill someone again and plat poisons lipstick. then we kill plat in f3. only way that fails is if somehow one of you/p2 is the last wolf and i really don't think that's the case (and both of you are supposed to be cleared from those blocks anyway lol). (or if people don't want to trust me enough, in which case we'd need a third clear lol. but tbh i think i should be just blatantly obvtown from how i've played this game so yeah.)

this is one thing bothering me about Autumn last night
specifically that they're assuming p2 gets cleared

also like... idk why they're not paranoid about p2
they've been paranoid about everyone else somewhat, and IDK what the towncase on p2 is other than getting hard pushed by wolves (which yeah is strong but like. idt that's so strong that there wouldn't be tinfoils, if there were tinfoils on Lipstick)

[QUOTE=FM-Player 2;1019191]Yeah confirming i got the message.

you have no way to tell if the protect absorbed something?[/QUOTE]

I can ask, but I've never seen the person who protects be able to know that
You should ask if you'd be informed if you were attacked and protected though

Originally Posted by FM-Player 2

Yeah confirming i got the message.

you have no way to tell if the protect absorbed something?

I can ask, but I've never seen the person who protects be able to know that
You should ask if you'd be informed if you were attacked and protected though

I protected P2 last night (and messaged him saying so)

thoughts there:

I couldn't protect myself (I said I could in thread so wolves wouldn't just kill me)
Plat/Hippo are realistically never dying

Which leaves P2, Autumn, and Lipstick. Part of me wanted to protect Autumn or Lipstick, because if I protected them and no kill went through, that would confirm one of three things:
-P2 is the wolf, who couldn't kill because of the mark (which means the person I protected was town)
-The wolf attacked who I protected (which again means they're town)
-The wolf holstered

But given P2 was claiming a strong invest role, and Autumn had previously tracked and may have more charges, it makes a lot of sense for someone like Lipstick/Autumn to holster there. They might not get tracked (though they could still be watched), but even so, doing a kill would then likely clear someone else, closing the poe further. So I wouldn't really be able to clear Lipstick/Autumn any more than I already do (also I am having more tinfoily thoughts on Autumn tbh)

If I protected P2, although no kill wouldn't confirm alignments (as P2 being marked or P2 being attacked are both possible), there was a good chance P2 would be able to use some invest action to clear someone, which is more valuable than an "uh maybe unless they holstered which is super possible" clear.

I protected P2 last night (and messaged him saying so)

thoughts there:

I couldn't protect myself (I said I could in thread so wolves wouldn't just kill me)
Plat/Hippo are realistically never dying

Which leaves P2, Autumn, and Lipstick. Part of me wanted to protect Autumn or Lipstick, because if I protected them and no kill went through, that would confirm one of three things:
-P2 is the wolf, who couldn't kill because of the mark (which means the person I protected was town)
-The wolf attacked who I protected (which again means they're town)
-The wolf holstered

But given P2 was claiming a strong invest role, and Autumn had previously tracked and may have more charges, it makes a lot of sense for someone like Lipstick/Autumn to holster there. They might not get tracked (though they could still be watched), but even so, doing a kill would then likely clear someone else, closing the poe further. So I wouldn't really be able to clear Lipstick/Autumn any more than I already do (also I am having more tinfoily thoughts on Autumn tbh)

If I protected P2, although no kill wouldn't confirm alignments (as P2 being marked or P2 being attacked are both possible), there was a good chance P2 would be able to use some invest action to clear someone, which is more valuable than an "uh maybe unless they holstered which is super possible" clear.

[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1019082]i actually don't remember what the pollination ability exactly was. or what ring was even talking about wrt that "bees make others appear like they visited someone else"[/QUOTE]

iirc this was just a theory

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

i actually don't remember what the pollination ability exactly was. or what ring was even talking about wrt that "bees make others appear like they visited someone else"

iirc this was just a theory

[QUOTE=FM-Lipstick;1019070]I'm failing to feel confident here on Chibi
Despite some incriminating posts

But there's also
I don't really understand how their powers would work as wolf
If they get to pick someone who they are wolf with for the hood for example
I guess that wouldn't be allowed maybe but

Also they did kill Yellow with Hippo
And still now they're worried about Autumn being wolf
I don't know
Could just be wolf doing what they should and never give up on trying to seem town but

I honestly have some doubts
Don't know if it's just because that's how my brain works

I also don't see a reasonable alternative[/QUOTE]

oh I was thinking about this earlier
I noticed all the people they've picked are either flipped town, or likely town
(and if Chibi is wolf then most likely everyone else is town so)

they've claimed they were able to pick wolves like choo though
it could be a lie of course but not any way to test that

Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick

I'm failing to feel confident here on Chibi
Despite some incriminating posts

But there's also
I don't really understand how their powers would work as wolf
If they get to pick someone who they are wolf with for the hood for example
I guess that wouldn't be allowed maybe but

Also they did kill Yellow with Hippo
And still now they're worried about Autumn being wolf
I don't know
Could just be wolf doing what they should and never give up on trying to seem town but

I honestly have some doubts
Don't know if it's just because that's how my brain works

I also don't see a reasonable alternative

oh I was thinking about this earlier
I noticed all the people they've picked are either flipped town, or likely town
(and if Chibi is wolf then most likely everyone else is town so)

they've claimed they were able to pick wolves like choo though
it could be a lie of course but not any way to test that

[QUOTE=FM-Platypus;1019060]I think this setup just wasn’t made with a 3p[/QUOTE]

looking at the previous KRCs 3ps are pretty common, especially in the larger games

though, an anti-town 3p at this point (which is the only type that'd be problematic) seems pretty awkward to have in a mash
it's not super reasonable to say 'hey your win condition requires survival. have fun trying to outlive 50+ players lol'

Originally Posted by FM-Platypus

I think this setup just wasn’t made with a 3p

looking at the previous KRCs 3ps are pretty common, especially in the larger games

though, an anti-town 3p at this point (which is the only type that'd be problematic) seems pretty awkward to have in a mash
it's not super reasonable to say 'hey your win condition requires survival. have fun trying to outlive 50+ players lol'

[MENTION=46661]FM-Autumn[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46681]FM-Lipstick[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46693]FM-Platypus[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46694]FM-Player 2[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46711]FM-Tiny Hippo[/MENTION]

dont forget to vote

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@FM-Player 2
@FM-Tiny Hippo

dont forget to vote

anyway [vote]FM-Chibi Minnie[/vote]
idk if I'll be on much more today

if you can manage it, going for Yggdrasil is probably optimal
don't hammer me while trying to do it though lol

anyway

-vote FM-Chibi Minnie

idk if I'll be on much more today

if you can manage it, going for Yggdrasil is probably optimal
don't hammer me while trying to do it though lol

[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1019045]tbh i don't think it's likely they have redirectors? or if they do, they probably can't use that ability every night?

because like. neither of the ppl who claimed investigative (me/p2) were redirected. chibi, also, seems to not have been redirected. and if wolves had redirector i think they'd have already started trying to mess with those "mech clears" last night?
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I think there were some unexplained redirects on earlier nights?

[QUOTE=FM-Autumn;1019045]but i also am atm just at. kill chibi today, if that flips town someone dies next night. then tomorrow kill hippo. if that's also town, then wolves can kill someone again and plat poisons lipstick. then we kill plat in f3. only way that fails is if somehow one of you/p2 is the last wolf and i really don't think that's the case (and both of you are supposed to be cleared from those blocks anyway lol). (or if people don't want to trust me enough, in which case we'd need a third clear lol. but tbh i think i should be just blatantly obvtown from how i've played this game so yeah.)[/QUOTE]

agree with this pmuch
if Plat gets redirected (or claims to be) then we need an extra clear but that can probably be Lipstick

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

tbh i don't think it's likely they have redirectors? or if they do, they probably can't use that ability every night?

because like. neither of the ppl who claimed investigative (me/p2) were redirected. chibi, also, seems to not have been redirected. and if wolves had redirector i think they'd have already started trying to mess with those "mech clears" last night?

I think there were some unexplained redirects on earlier nights?

Originally Posted by FM-Autumn

but i also am atm just at. kill chibi today, if that flips town someone dies next night. then tomorrow kill hippo. if that's also town, then wolves can kill someone again and plat poisons lipstick. then we kill plat in f3. only way that fails is if somehow one of you/p2 is the last wolf and i really don't think that's the case (and both of you are supposed to be cleared from those blocks anyway lol). (or if people don't want to trust me enough, in which case we'd need a third clear lol. but tbh i think i should be just blatantly obvtown from how i've played this game so yeah.)

agree with this pmuch
if Plat gets redirected (or claims to be) then we need an extra clear but that can probably be Lipstick

[QUOTE=FM-Chromatography;1019039]Well, I'm kind of sold on Chibi but still want to get at many different angles from everyone as possible to ensure I don't have a blindspot.

As for the use of the Yeggo my Eggo, I have no idea. Mechanics are quite a weakness for me.

If it were to be used, I think it will have to be activated this cycle though since three is asking to be hammered in future cycles.[/QUOTE]

yeah it's completely impossible to use with 5 or less players alive
and essentially impossible with 6
so is now or never

Originally Posted by FM-Chromatography

Well, I'm kind of sold on Chibi but still want to get at many different angles from everyone as possible to ensure I don't have a blindspot.

As for the use of the Yeggo my Eggo, I have no idea. Mechanics are quite a weakness for me.

If it were to be used, I think it will have to be activated this cycle though since three is asking to be hammered in future cycles.

yeah it's completely impossible to use with 5 or less players alive
and essentially impossible with 6
so is now or never

[QUOTE=FM-Chromatography;1019037]I did spend a lot of time each night cycle ensuring that I choose gift recipients to be most useful/least harmful in terms of impact.[/QUOTE]

what do you think is best here? both in terms of lim and whether we should go for Yggdrasil

Originally Posted by FM-Chromatography

I did spend a lot of time each night cycle ensuring that I choose gift recipients to be most useful/least harmful in terms of impact.

what do you think is best here? both in terms of lim and whether we should go for Yggdrasil

[QUOTE=FM-Lassie;1019035]I would say wolves would just kill me
but I can self-target with it so there's WIFOM there[/QUOTE]

best case it gives a clear and a prevented nk
which is probably enough to win
wolves probably wouldn't holster there, because it only helps when they were the one protected, while it's damaging if anyone else is

the clear does depend on me being alive to say who I protected, though I miiiiight have a way around that..

Originally Posted by FM-Lassie

I would say wolves would just kill me
but I can self-target with it so there's WIFOM there

best case it gives a clear and a prevented nk
which is probably enough to win
wolves probably wouldn't holster there, because it only helps when they were the one protected, while it's damaging if anyone else is

the clear does depend on me being alive to say who I protected, though I miiiiight have a way around that..

[QUOTE=FM-Lassie;1019034]there's an argument that if we're killing Chibi we should go for the Yggdrasil protect

this does depend on whether there's two wolves (since if there is it's pretty risky) and also depends on whether we can coordinate it
coordinating it would require putting 3 votes on me, and then hammering Chibi[/QUOTE]

I would say wolves would just kill me
but I can self-target with it so there's WIFOM there

Originally Posted by FM-Lassie

there's an argument that if we're killing Chibi we should go for the Yggdrasil protect

this does depend on whether there's two wolves (since if there is it's pretty risky) and also depends on whether we can coordinate it
coordinating it would require putting 3 votes on me, and then hammering Chibi

I would say wolves would just kill me
but I can self-target with it so there's WIFOM there

there's an argument that if we're killing Chibi we should go for the Yggdrasil protect

this does depend on whether there's two wolves (since if there is it's pretty risky) and also depends on whether we can coordinate it
coordinating it would require putting 3 votes on me, and then hammering Chibi

there's an argument that if we're killing Chibi we should go for the Yggdrasil protect

this does depend on whether there's two wolves (since if there is it's pretty risky) and also depends on whether we can coordinate it
coordinating it would require putting 3 votes on me, and then hammering Chibi

[QUOTE=FM-Lassie;1019032]if I ignored mech I'd definitely lim Chibi
but Chibi does kinda have a point about it being better to kill them tomorrow if they're town, and equally good if they're wolf[/QUOTE]

a little bit of me is paranoid about Chibi + someone else now though
like, Chibi did make that post of 'What if it's 4v3'
which.. yeah

and if it's 2 wolves then if they have an extra kill tonight they'd get parity

idk if 2 wolves is at all balanced though

Originally Posted by FM-Lassie

if I ignored mech I'd definitely lim Chibi
but Chibi does kinda have a point about it being better to kill them tomorrow if they're town, and equally good if they're wolf

a little bit of me is paranoid about Chibi + someone else now though
like, Chibi did make that post of 'What if it's 4v3'
which.. yeah

and if it's 2 wolves then if they have an extra kill tonight they'd get parity

idk if 2 wolves is at all balanced though

if I ignored mech I'd definitely lim Chibi
but Chibi does kinda have a point about it being better to kill them tomorrow if they're town, and equally good if they're wolf

if I ignored mech I'd definitely lim Chibi
but Chibi does kinda have a point about it being better to kill them tomorrow if they're town, and equally good if they're wolf

mmmmmmmmmmm
I think it's too risky to go for a mech win along the lines mentioned earlier
that whole plan falls apart if wolves have a redirector, and no wolf redirectors have flipped iirc

mmmmmmmmmmm
I think it's too risky to go for a mech win along the lines mentioned earlier
that whole plan falls apart if wolves have a redirector, and no wolf redirectors have flipped iirc

[QUOTE=FM-Chromatography;1018915]Okay but I am so lost how the blocking plan even got approved with this knowledge.[/QUOTE]

having no kill doesn't 100% confirm the blocked person/people as mafia, sure
but having a kill does confirm the blocked people as town.

also if wolves don't kill that still is helpful!

Originally Posted by FM-Chromatography

Okay but I am so lost how the blocking plan even got approved with this knowledge.

having no kill doesn't 100% confirm the blocked person/people as mafia, sure
but having a kill does confirm the blocked people as town.

also if wolves don't kill that still is helpful!

[QUOTE=FM-Chromatography;1018913]They can? Why the fuck did they kill last night then.[/QUOTE]

presumably because Licky can roleblock every night
so, if they wanted to go the safe route of not killing when there's a potential for RBs, they'd have to not nightkill for the entire game (which would be pretty bad)

Originally Posted by FM-Chromatography

They can? Why the fuck did they kill last night then.

presumably because Licky can roleblock every night
so, if they wanted to go the safe route of not killing when there's a potential for RBs, they'd have to not nightkill for the entire game (which would be pretty bad)

[QUOTE=FM-Lassie;1018910]though. having wolves holster their nk is very helpful too[/QUOTE]

so

if we killed hippo today and then wolves holstered at night.

we'd go into tomorrow with me/autumn/lipstick/chibi/platypus/p2 alive. I'm clear for being roleblocked, but no kill going through means there's no other clears. we can then kill any uncleared player other than chibi/platypus, say p2.

we go into night with me/autumn/lipstick/chibi/platypus, and chibi having only a kill as an option. chibi and co kills someone (say, platypus), platypus poisons someone other than the person chibi is killing (say, Chibi), and wolves may or may not nightkill.

If wolves do nightkill (presumably on me), then we go into F3 with chibi poisoned, and autumn/lipstick alive. So not a mechanically guarenteed win here.

If wolves don't nightkill, then we go into F4 with chibi poisoned, and me/autumn/lipstick alive. We have to eliminate, and once again we have both of autumn/lipstick uncleared

so it's not mechanically guaranteed
though it does look pretty good still

Originally Posted by FM-Lassie

though. having wolves holster their nk is very helpful too

so

if we killed hippo today and then wolves holstered at night.

we'd go into tomorrow with me/autumn/lipstick/chibi/platypus/p2 alive. I'm clear for being roleblocked, but no kill going through means there's no other clears. we can then kill any uncleared player other than chibi/platypus, say p2.

we go into night with me/autumn/lipstick/chibi/platypus, and chibi having only a kill as an option. chibi and co kills someone (say, platypus), platypus poisons someone other than the person chibi is killing (say, Chibi), and wolves may or may not nightkill.

If wolves do nightkill (presumably on me), then we go into F3 with chibi poisoned, and autumn/lipstick alive. So not a mechanically guarenteed win here.

If wolves don't nightkill, then we go into F4 with chibi poisoned, and me/autumn/lipstick alive. We have to eliminate, and once again we have both of autumn/lipstick uncleared

so it's not mechanically guaranteed
though it does look pretty good still