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[QUOTE=OzyWho;936478]I think, in order to be treated well from your fellow FM folks, a good start would be to reach post count minimums a single game day without relying on spamming game unrelated stuff.[/QUOTE]

I mean Day 1 is just useless spam neway and a couple guys smelling their own farts. So I just mixed up the spam game. I could go *Puts spectacles on* *cue inception Music* If you'll notice in Cekos post they used a capital T when they didn't need to. Capital T, what else begins with a capital T? That's right Tylenol, what is Tylenol for? That's right preventing pain without having to see a Doctor. Doctor. What are doctors for? Preventing people from dying to the Mafia at night. Mafia... A common role in a game of Forum Mafia. That's right.... Ceko is Mafia confirmed! *music reaches crescendo* But that kinda stuff is pretty cringe so I chose to mix it up on what I spammed.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

I think, in order to be treated well from your fellow FM folks, a good start would be to reach post count minimums a single game day without relying on spamming game unrelated stuff.

I mean Day 1 is just useless spam neway and a couple guys smelling their own farts. So I just mixed up the spam game. I could go *Puts spectacles on* *cue inception Music* If you'll notice in Cekos post they used a capital T when they didn't need to. Capital T, what else begins with a capital T? That's right Tylenol, what is Tylenol for? That's right preventing pain without having to see a Doctor. Doctor. What are doctors for? Preventing people from dying to the Mafia at night. Mafia... A common role in a game of Forum Mafia. That's right.... Ceko is Mafia confirmed! *music reaches crescendo* But that kinda stuff is pretty cringe so I chose to mix it up on what I spammed.

[QUOTE=Oberon;936464]There's no such rule ceko is just pulling your leg[/QUOTE]

Awe darn, so the forum mafia regulars will never let people into their treehouse eh? That sucks, I figured if one stuck around long enough they'd eventually treat you like a person and not a sub human. Oh well that's a shame.

Originally Posted by Oberon

There's no such rule ceko is just pulling your leg

Awe darn, so the forum mafia regulars will never let people into their treehouse eh? That sucks, I figured if one stuck around long enough they'd eventually treat you like a person and not a sub human. Oh well that's a shame.

[QUOTE=HentaiManOfPeace;936463]Is English not your native language? You said to "all of Mafia". Last time I checked, "all of Mafia" would imply the entire SC2 Mafia community that encompasses both the SC2 Mafia custom map AND the SC2 Mafia forums. Talk about a disingenuous goodbye if you're goodbyeing to one half and still sticking around for the other. I don't say "goodbye, fellow co-workers!" only to work for the sister company in the same building when I leave my job.[/QUOTE]

I mean for the most part the mod community is the mafia community, save a few forum mafia elitists. So saying goodbye to the mod is basically saying it to most of the mafia community. Context is important here since I was clarifying that it wasn't like the 72222 post, but i guess reading comprehension is hard. I could never leave entirely because reading the poorly thought out posts made by you and others is far too much entertainment.

Man is it entertaining watching you jump into threads to try to pile on people who don't even know who you are. I mean I know you're just doing it for a reaction to give your life some meaning, but it doesn't mean it isn't entertaining.

Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace

Is English not your native language? You said to "all of Mafia". Last time I checked, "all of Mafia" would imply the entire SC2 Mafia community that encompasses both the SC2 Mafia custom map AND the SC2 Mafia forums. Talk about a disingenuous goodbye if you're goodbyeing to one half and still sticking around for the other. I don't say "goodbye, fellow co-workers!" only to work for the sister company in the same building when I leave my job.

I mean for the most part the mod community is the mafia community, save a few forum mafia elitists. So saying goodbye to the mod is basically saying it to most of the mafia community. Context is important here since I was clarifying that it wasn't like the 72222 post, but i guess reading comprehension is hard. I could never leave entirely because reading the poorly thought out posts made by you and others is far too much entertainment.

Man is it entertaining watching you jump into threads to try to pile on people who don't even know who you are. I mean I know you're just doing it for a reaction to give your life some meaning, but it doesn't mean it isn't entertaining.

Srry SuperJack I'm workin on gettin more forum mafia games under my belt, Neko told me the number of games until I'm allowed to use gambits like a regular forum mafia player instead of getting modkilled is 25, so I gotta grind those out. Kinda weird rule but I respect the honesty so I gotta hit the grind.

Srry SuperJack I'm workin on gettin more forum mafia games under my belt, Neko told me the number of games until I'm allowed to use gambits like a regular forum mafia player instead of getting modkilled is 25, so I gotta grind those out. Kinda weird rule but I respect the honesty so I gotta hit the grind.

[QUOTE=HentaiManOfPeace;936424]Even after you quit SC2 Mafia, you still retain the IQ of a DH who forgot to maintain a LW on day 4.

I don't care that no one knows me. That's a non-sequitur. What I do care about is that you got permabanned yet here you still are hanging around the forums like a pimple after the age of 20. When you said you're leaving, I will make sure you'll leave. So please leave.[/QUOTE]

You know that was in reference to leaving the sc2mafia mod community since I wasn't allowed to play the game right. I never said anything about leaving here why not being able to annoy you would be no fun.

Originally Posted by HentaiManOfPeace

Even after you quit SC2 Mafia, you still retain the IQ of a DH who forgot to maintain a LW on day 4.

I don't care that no one knows me. That's a non-sequitur. What I do care about is that you got permabanned yet here you still are hanging around the forums like a pimple after the age of 20. When you said you're leaving, I will make sure you'll leave. So please leave.

You know that was in reference to leaving the sc2mafia mod community since I wasn't allowed to play the game right. I never said anything about leaving here why not being able to annoy you would be no fun.

Now look what you've done, now that guy nobody remembers is jealous of you guys trying to slide into my dms. Smh my head.

Now look what you've done, now that guy nobody remembers is jealous of you guys trying to slide into my dms. Smh my head.

Attempts the pivot, Ooohhh ouch, that one looked like it hurt SuperTroll goes down. Well Jerry at the very least you can say SuperTroll gave it his all out there today.

Attempts the pivot, Ooohhh ouch, that one looked like it hurt SuperTroll goes down. Well Jerry at the very least you can say SuperTroll gave it his all out there today.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;936411]So rather than try to help fix the game and make the suggestions you abuse these mechanics instead?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZZorange;924603]I will agree that Blacklist as it currently stands is extremely powerful and should probably be toned down. I cannot remember the last time I was given a role that is on my blacklist, if my blacklist loaded in at the start of the game. However in regards to LagAttacks assessment that it doesn't overly impact the meta I would agree. For it to impact the meta that would require a majority of players to know of and then use said lists to their advantage which just doesn't happen.

If the game worked that way I would never be n1 jailed or shot by vigilante since I roll town 90% of the time, but that just simply isn't the reality of the situation and I got the 200+ n1 execute replays to prove it.

I like the prefer because it allows you to get the good roles more like coroner, but the fact that it doesn't auto give you the role is good, you frequently get roles not on your prefer, even when you have 10 roles selected there's a reasonable chance you won't get any of them. If blacklist were made similar to prefer, where there was still a small chance 2 get those hated rolls as opposed to virtually never, it would probably be fine.

Alternatively it could be adjusted that you would have 2 that had to be of a different alignment, such that you could only blacklist 8 mafia for example giving you the chance to become mafia even if you really really didn't want to be.[/QUOTE]


Mission failed SuperTroll, we'll get em next time.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

So rather than try to help fix the game and make the suggestions you abuse these mechanics instead?

Originally Posted by ZZorange

I will agree that Blacklist as it currently stands is extremely powerful and should probably be toned down. I cannot remember the last time I was given a role that is on my blacklist, if my blacklist loaded in at the start of the game. However in regards to LagAttacks assessment that it doesn't overly impact the meta I would agree. For it to impact the meta that would require a majority of players to know of and then use said lists to their advantage which just doesn't happen.

If the game worked that way I would never be n1 jailed or shot by vigilante since I roll town 90% of the time, but that just simply isn't the reality of the situation and I got the 200+ n1 execute replays to prove it.

I like the prefer because it allows you to get the good roles more like coroner, but the fact that it doesn't auto give you the role is good, you frequently get roles not on your prefer, even when you have 10 roles selected there's a reasonable chance you won't get any of them. If blacklist were made similar to prefer, where there was still a small chance 2 get those hated rolls as opposed to virtually never, it would probably be fine.

Alternatively it could be adjusted that you would have 2 that had to be of a different alignment, such that you could only blacklist 8 mafia for example giving you the chance to become mafia even if you really really didn't want to be.

Mission failed SuperTroll, we'll get em next time.

[QUOTE=Auwt;936409]Well basically talking about prefer/blacklist of a certain player is considered as angleshooting/spirit breaking, especially when achieved in order to defend yourself.
If I remember correctly I've already seen some replay where your defense has been designed around "I always prefer town so [insert a complement]".
That is external info that happens pre-game.
The real game starts at the moment you choose a name.
Talking during the actual game, about events that have happened before it, is very likely to bite the game spirit breaking / angleshooting line.[/QUOTE]

It's not a defense it's just pure statistics. Honest Man spends 95% of his games as Town isn't a defense its just stating a well known fact. How people choose to use this information is up to them.

Here I'll give an example not about me so you can see what I mean. I'm a veteran player so I know the prefer lists of other regular players. Certain players like to play certain roles and some of those players often enjoy using the same names, enabling you to see who they are in game.

Anyway in one hypothetical game there's an amnesiac gone Jailor and its a 2v1 and both are claiming it, except the catch is one of the claimers is Toast who everyone knows prefers Amnesiac. Is it angleshooting to lean towards believing toast because you know it's more probable they are amnesiac in a game with no other major tells? You can't help but know these things when you play that long, so would it be punishable to act on this outside knowledge and if so why. It's not like we can just give ourselves Amnesia to enforce fair play.

99% Of the angleshooting claims in here wouldn't be an issue if prefer and blacklist were not as strong as they are and yet you attack the person abusing the abuseable system instead of attacking the system itself. Fix the system and you won't have any of what you believe to be angleshooting, or just keep getting angry at people using the broken system in place and punishing them for all of eternity. Talk about insanity right der.

I've never been reported for being the Honest Man gimmick and never telling lies, so if it is illegal then I should have been banned for it long ago. Aslong as blacklist prefer exists in its current state there will be others who use it this way, and to punish those players for using a system in game is no offense pretty fuckin dumb.

Originally Posted by Auwt

Well basically talking about prefer/blacklist of a certain player is considered as angleshooting/spirit breaking, especially when achieved in order to defend yourself.
If I remember correctly I've already seen some replay where your defense has been designed around "I always prefer town so [insert a complement]".
That is external info that happens pre-game.
The real game starts at the moment you choose a name.
Talking during the actual game, about events that have happened before it, is very likely to bite the game spirit breaking / angleshooting line.

It's not a defense it's just pure statistics. Honest Man spends 95% of his games as Town isn't a defense its just stating a well known fact. How people choose to use this information is up to them.

Here I'll give an example not about me so you can see what I mean. I'm a veteran player so I know the prefer lists of other regular players. Certain players like to play certain roles and some of those players often enjoy using the same names, enabling you to see who they are in game.

Anyway in one hypothetical game there's an amnesiac gone Jailor and its a 2v1 and both are claiming it, except the catch is one of the claimers is Toast who everyone knows prefers Amnesiac. Is it angleshooting to lean towards believing toast because you know it's more probable they are amnesiac in a game with no other major tells? You can't help but know these things when you play that long, so would it be punishable to act on this outside knowledge and if so why. It's not like we can just give ourselves Amnesia to enforce fair play.

99% Of the angleshooting claims in here wouldn't be an issue if prefer and blacklist were not as strong as they are and yet you attack the person abusing the abuseable system instead of attacking the system itself. Fix the system and you won't have any of what you believe to be angleshooting, or just keep getting angry at people using the broken system in place and punishing them for all of eternity. Talk about insanity right der.

I've never been reported for being the Honest Man gimmick and never telling lies, so if it is illegal then I should have been banned for it long ago. Aslong as blacklist prefer exists in its current state there will be others who use it this way, and to punish those players for using a system in game is no offense pretty fuckin dumb.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;936401]You were talking about always blacklisting mafia roles and preferring town roles whilst picking same name - and never claim your role in order to teach everyone that you're always town. You yourself admited to have done it before and to keep doing in the future all for the purpose of what was described in the last sentence.
How is that not angleshooting?

Besides, that's what I reported you for but that's not for what you got punished.
You didn't claim in jail in order to "teach a lesson" - thereby violating 2 of your appeal conditions. Which was your actual offense of that game.


Honestly, these mental gymnastics you're pulling to twist reality to your desire - don't you ever get tired of it?[/QUOTE]

Neither Auwts or mine own appeal #2 required claiming in jail, so I'm not sure what you thought I violated there. What I said in death chat was simply an explanation of why I take the actions I did in game. The lesson being that if you want to jail and execute Honest Man n1, you're perfectly allowed to but you will have a high chance of failoring and if failoring occurs, that is on you. That's the lesson not that "People must learn I'm always town". I've already explained the logic behind not claiming as an Honest player as it's very different from playing as a player that can lie.

You can use hyperbole all you want, but the truth remains the truth.

In order to angleshoot I kind of have to use it to have some impact on the game. Discussing it after any impact has already been removed isn't angleshooting it's just discussing basic pattern recognition. Like I see someone with the name "please be patient i have autism" in colourful teal letters it isn't angleshooting to know that player is Toast. That's just basic pattern recognition. If someone executes Honest Man n1 and he flips Marshall it's not angleshooting it's realizing the basic pattern that blacklists and prefers are public knowledge and they've been posted on this forum before. Again, you actual problem here is Blacklist/Prefer can impact the game way too much to which I agree. But it's not angleshooting.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

You were talking about always blacklisting mafia roles and preferring town roles whilst picking same name - and never claim your role in order to teach everyone that you're always town. You yourself admited to have done it before and to keep doing in the future all for the purpose of what was described in the last sentence.
How is that not angleshooting?

Besides, that's what I reported you for but that's not for what you got punished.
You didn't claim in jail in order to "teach a lesson" - thereby violating 2 of your appeal conditions. Which was your actual offense of that game.


Honestly, these mental gymnastics you're pulling to twist reality to your desire - don't you ever get tired of it?

Neither Auwts or mine own appeal #2 required claiming in jail, so I'm not sure what you thought I violated there. What I said in death chat was simply an explanation of why I take the actions I did in game. The lesson being that if you want to jail and execute Honest Man n1, you're perfectly allowed to but you will have a high chance of failoring and if failoring occurs, that is on you. That's the lesson not that "People must learn I'm always town". I've already explained the logic behind not claiming as an Honest player as it's very different from playing as a player that can lie.

You can use hyperbole all you want, but the truth remains the truth.

In order to angleshoot I kind of have to use it to have some impact on the game. Discussing it after any impact has already been removed isn't angleshooting it's just discussing basic pattern recognition. Like I see someone with the name "please be patient i have autism" in colourful teal letters it isn't angleshooting to know that player is Toast. That's just basic pattern recognition. If someone executes Honest Man n1 and he flips Marshall it's not angleshooting it's realizing the basic pattern that blacklists and prefers are public knowledge and they've been posted on this forum before. Again, you actual problem here is Blacklist/Prefer can impact the game way too much to which I agree. But it's not angleshooting.

[QUOTE=Helz;936370]I am not going to say there is no witch hunt going on for you but I do still feel like your invalidating the feedback that is given to you.

Perhaps you can reject the feedback here but later in life take a moment to accept it in hind sight of this situation. Although by that time I doubt any person who has participated in this chat will care about this chat in the slightest or even remember this conversation happened.[/QUOTE]

Again it's a fairly simple concept that everyone on this world does. People reject feedback that doesn't come from sources they believe to be legitimate. Some surgeon doesn't go ahead and take the random advice of a guy who's played Surgeon Simulator for 20000 hours. In the same vein if a chronic gamethrower reports you for gamethrowing you're not going to take it seriously.

I don't know how I can make it more simple, if any of the reports had come from upstanding people in the mafia community it'd be easy to respect their grievances, but none of them had, it's that simple. I've read every report, know every single reporter. That's all it is.

Originally Posted by Helz

I am not going to say there is no witch hunt going on for you but I do still feel like your invalidating the feedback that is given to you.

Perhaps you can reject the feedback here but later in life take a moment to accept it in hind sight of this situation. Although by that time I doubt any person who has participated in this chat will care about this chat in the slightest or even remember this conversation happened.

Again it's a fairly simple concept that everyone on this world does. People reject feedback that doesn't come from sources they believe to be legitimate. Some surgeon doesn't go ahead and take the random advice of a guy who's played Surgeon Simulator for 20000 hours. In the same vein if a chronic gamethrower reports you for gamethrowing you're not going to take it seriously.

I don't know how I can make it more simple, if any of the reports had come from upstanding people in the mafia community it'd be easy to respect their grievances, but none of them had, it's that simple. I've read every report, know every single reporter. That's all it is.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;936372]The whole blacklist/prefer thing you just said is exactly what angleshooting.....[/QUOTE]

Yeah but angleshooting is intentional, the fact that I had 10 mafia roles blacklisted and 7 preferred was just a well known fact. Everything I got reported for in that OzyWho game was after I was already dead and by definition couldn't be angleshooting lol. So IDK why you're so hung up on this.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

The whole blacklist/prefer thing you just said is exactly what angleshooting.....

Yeah but angleshooting is intentional, the fact that I had 10 mafia roles blacklisted and 7 preferred was just a well known fact. Everything I got reported for in that OzyWho game was after I was already dead and by definition couldn't be angleshooting lol. So IDK why you're so hung up on this.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;936280]We have a term in Forum Mafia called Angleshooting.

Its bascially, where something isn't technically against the rules. But its still wrong.



And thats basically what you've been doing.[/QUOTE]

I mean, prefer and blacklist are in the game. Personally I'd remove or heavily nerf them, but they're in the game and they're extremely effective. It's not really angle shooting when people can look up your prefers and blacklists and if you use the same name every game. Saying I'm 95% of the time Town isn't really angleshooting it's just kind of an accepted fact since prefer and blacklist are too strong as it currently stands. Now if you're talkin about where I said the Jailors deserve to get punished for jailing me that's entirely true. It's no secret I don't give roles to anyone night one in Jail, so any long term player ie most of them who jailed me, would knowingly jail someone they know wouldn't give a role. Now this isn't against the rules, but many of the people who hated me knew this and still spite jailed me it's kinda funny because IMHO knowingly jailing someone you know isn't going to give you anything repeatedly, while also knowing they are likely town isn't against the rules. However it is lowkey somewhere on the gamethrow scale since your knowingly making a bad play. Like even if you hate me a lot, playing enough games with me to know jailing me night one isn't profitable but doing it anyway pretty sus.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

We have a term in Forum Mafia called Angleshooting.

Its bascially, where something isn't technically against the rules. But its still wrong.



And thats basically what you've been doing.

I mean, prefer and blacklist are in the game. Personally I'd remove or heavily nerf them, but they're in the game and they're extremely effective. It's not really angle shooting when people can look up your prefers and blacklists and if you use the same name every game. Saying I'm 95% of the time Town isn't really angleshooting it's just kind of an accepted fact since prefer and blacklist are too strong as it currently stands. Now if you're talkin about where I said the Jailors deserve to get punished for jailing me that's entirely true. It's no secret I don't give roles to anyone night one in Jail, so any long term player ie most of them who jailed me, would knowingly jail someone they know wouldn't give a role. Now this isn't against the rules, but many of the people who hated me knew this and still spite jailed me it's kinda funny because IMHO knowingly jailing someone you know isn't going to give you anything repeatedly, while also knowing they are likely town isn't against the rules. However it is lowkey somewhere on the gamethrow scale since your knowingly making a bad play. Like even if you hate me a lot, playing enough games with me to know jailing me night one isn't profitable but doing it anyway pretty sus.

[QUOTE=Helz;936260]To your personal question, yes; I am 100% an alcoholic. I do understand addiction and its cost but I would rather not outlive my body and mind. They are mine and I will do with them as I please.

To your situation I do understand. But you should look at the greater context of your own situation.

Maybe 3 or so years back I met this guy in a bar who was a detective and a master of neuro linguistic programming. Its one of those conversations I will never forget. He introduced a concept to me I felt was very profound. He walked me through how people focus on 1 event as the 'problem' while that single event was itself just the end of a long path.

Consider me. In 2013 I got a DWI. It was a single event and I could point to it and say 'this one event is why I have to pay monies and do court bullshit;' while in reality, it was just the result of my lifestyle. I chose to go out and drink, then drive instead of calling a cab. I made a decision to do it far away from my home and I got away with it for wayy too long. The day I got a DWI was kinda bullshit. I worked a 16 hour shift then drove 6 hours up from south Texas, then had like 3 beers with friends in Austin on my way home to Round Rock. But I was so exhausted I fell asleep at a traffic light.
I was not even mad about it. I knew there were too many times I had no business driving and to this day I am thankful that happened before I hurt someone being a dumbass. But that is because I looked at that situation not as a single 'event;' but rather the result of a pattern of behavior.

In this situation I would challenge you to do the same. Sure, maybe theres a group of players who have decided to take a set against you. Thats not fair. Out of context its straight up bullying. But take a moment to reflect on how you have chosen to behave with the people around you. Consider your history and reputation and how you got there. Consider how you made them feel to get to the point where there is literally a group of regular players who want you out of the game.

At the end of the day playing a game is about having fun with the people around you. I did all kinds of off the wall plays and such but I was always considerate to make sure the people I was playing with had fun and I was not just having fun at their expense. I think you have not been so considerate and I think you have trouble accepting your personal character flaws to the point that you would rather shift blame.

Take my feedback or dont. But understand the reason I have spent a bit of time speaking with you is simply because I do feel like you can use this situation for personal growth and that carries well outside of this video game we are rambling about.[/QUOTE]

Nah I have taken the feedback but if your hypothesis was correct I'd shy away from the times I've actually fucked up and was rightfully punished in the past. But I've never hid those games or denied them I've been 100% Honest about everytime I've legitimately fucked up. If the reports were A) Coming from respectable mafia players B) about offenses actually listed on this website and C) Offenses I've actually done, I wouldn't have fought them. Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that there was a witch hunt on and my days were numbered. I've definitely pissed a lot of bad mafia players off with the Honest Man gimmick, but I don't have it in me to feel shame for the things I've done to bad mafia players, never have. The good ones though, I'd take a report by them seriously if they ever came.

Originally Posted by Helz

To your personal question, yes; I am 100% an alcoholic. I do understand addiction and its cost but I would rather not outlive my body and mind. They are mine and I will do with them as I please.

To your situation I do understand. But you should look at the greater context of your own situation.

Maybe 3 or so years back I met this guy in a bar who was a detective and a master of neuro linguistic programming. Its one of those conversations I will never forget. He introduced a concept to me I felt was very profound. He walked me through how people focus on 1 event as the 'problem' while that single event was itself just the end of a long path.

Consider me. In 2013 I got a DWI. It was a single event and I could point to it and say 'this one event is why I have to pay monies and do court bullshit;' while in reality, it was just the result of my lifestyle. I chose to go out and drink, then drive instead of calling a cab. I made a decision to do it far away from my home and I got away with it for wayy too long. The day I got a DWI was kinda bullshit. I worked a 16 hour shift then drove 6 hours up from south Texas, then had like 3 beers with friends in Austin on my way home to Round Rock. But I was so exhausted I fell asleep at a traffic light.
I was not even mad about it. I knew there were too many times I had no business driving and to this day I am thankful that happened before I hurt someone being a dumbass. But that is because I looked at that situation not as a single 'event;' but rather the result of a pattern of behavior.

In this situation I would challenge you to do the same. Sure, maybe theres a group of players who have decided to take a set against you. Thats not fair. Out of context its straight up bullying. But take a moment to reflect on how you have chosen to behave with the people around you. Consider your history and reputation and how you got there. Consider how you made them feel to get to the point where there is literally a group of regular players who want you out of the game.

At the end of the day playing a game is about having fun with the people around you. I did all kinds of off the wall plays and such but I was always considerate to make sure the people I was playing with had fun and I was not just having fun at their expense. I think you have not been so considerate and I think you have trouble accepting your personal character flaws to the point that you would rather shift blame.

Take my feedback or dont. But understand the reason I have spent a bit of time speaking with you is simply because I do feel like you can use this situation for personal growth and that carries well outside of this video game we are rambling about.

Nah I have taken the feedback but if your hypothesis was correct I'd shy away from the times I've actually fucked up and was rightfully punished in the past. But I've never hid those games or denied them I've been 100% Honest about everytime I've legitimately fucked up. If the reports were A) Coming from respectable mafia players B) about offenses actually listed on this website and C) Offenses I've actually done, I wouldn't have fought them. Unfortunately the reality of the situation is that there was a witch hunt on and my days were numbered. I've definitely pissed a lot of bad mafia players off with the Honest Man gimmick, but I don't have it in me to feel shame for the things I've done to bad mafia players, never have. The good ones though, I'd take a report by them seriously if they ever came.

I mean reputation plays a large part in it, as well as how you decide to play the game. If you play the game with the same name every game, people are going to remember the name and remember each single mistake you ever make even if its not a lot of the time. If you play the game using default names / random names and you fuck up rarely people aren't going to remember it as easily. Secondly if you follow the meta and do everything "proper" always claim role in jail etc... etc.... you will be reported less. If you play the game still legally but with a different playstyle or use a gimmick you'll get reported. Many of my haters are from the "Honest Man" gimmick, for instance those who understand the gimmick would know I wasn't able to tell lies and it would make the game easier for them, but for weaker players who didn't understand the gimmick they would often believe things that superior players wouldn't. Other things like choosing to not claim a role in jail (A defense mechanism due to extremely high being jailed % reactionary to outside circumstances. Finally if you manage to get a group of players that hate you, they'll constantly say how much you are a chronic game thrower, and this influences public opinion greatly. You see someone make a bad call in game, you may not be that likely to report them, but if the game is prefaced by one of their haters "X is a thrower" you might instead believe that mistake is intentional and report the player. My play style sans the gimmick and legal playstyle alterations would not be enough to get me mass reported. I know this because I don't adjust my play on alternate accounts and do not get reported, so much of it stems from reputation.

Some of my past reports are clear evidence of this reputation playing a part as they are reports for situations that are novelties and haven't been seen on the site before.

Directly after my last ban appeal success I was told by Altech and others in no uncertain terms "We are going to get you rebanned" no matter what I did, I would eventually make an error in game and get reported and banned it was only a matter of time unless I just never made a mistake. Now technically possible to never make a single mistake always lynch Mafias in game. But if I was that good at Mafia it wouldn't be fun to play the game so eventually i made an error and was banned, and my detractors got what they wanted.

I think If this happened to you, you'd be able to understand what I'm saying a lot easier. All that said, drinking solo and spending time drunk posting on a forum seems like a slippery slope to alcoholism, I do enjoy a good beer but if you get to the point where you're drunk posting on a random sc2mafia forum it might be time to cool it on the sauce.

I mean reputation plays a large part in it, as well as how you decide to play the game. If you play the game with the same name every game, people are going to remember the name and remember each single mistake you ever make even if its not a lot of the time. If you play the game using default names / random names and you fuck up rarely people aren't going to remember it as easily. Secondly if you follow the meta and do everything "proper" always claim role in jail etc... etc.... you will be reported less. If you play the game still legally but with a different playstyle or use a gimmick you'll get reported. Many of my haters are from the "Honest Man" gimmick, for instance those who understand the gimmick would know I wasn't able to tell lies and it would make the game easier for them, but for weaker players who didn't understand the gimmick they would often believe things that superior players wouldn't. Other things like choosing to not claim a role in jail (A defense mechanism due to extremely high being jailed % reactionary to outside circumstances. Finally if you manage to get a group of players that hate you, they'll constantly say how much you are a chronic game thrower, and this influences public opinion greatly. You see someone make a bad call in game, you may not be that likely to report them, but if the game is prefaced by one of their haters "X is a thrower" you might instead believe that mistake is intentional and report the player. My play style sans the gimmick and legal playstyle alterations would not be enough to get me mass reported. I know this because I don't adjust my play on alternate accounts and do not get reported, so much of it stems from reputation.

Some of my past reports are clear evidence of this reputation playing a part as they are reports for situations that are novelties and haven't been seen on the site before.

Directly after my last ban appeal success I was told by Altech and others in no uncertain terms "We are going to get you rebanned" no matter what I did, I would eventually make an error in game and get reported and banned it was only a matter of time unless I just never made a mistake. Now technically possible to never make a single mistake always lynch Mafias in game. But if I was that good at Mafia it wouldn't be fun to play the game so eventually i made an error and was banned, and my detractors got what they wanted.

I think If this happened to you, you'd be able to understand what I'm saying a lot easier. All that said, drinking solo and spending time drunk posting on a forum seems like a slippery slope to alcoholism, I do enjoy a good beer but if you get to the point where you're drunk posting on a random sc2mafia forum it might be time to cool it on the sauce.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;935816]With the amount of reports you have on your name, you should agree with Helz if even just 50% of them were tbh.

Quick reminder that you're likely the record holder for getting the most permanent bans (4), with the earliest dating back to 2013.

But nah, it's not you it's 'them'. With the 'them' being almost everyone else. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/QUOTE]

With most of them accrued by the same 3-4 players. You're the outlier in that.

If all my reports had been from seperate parties and respectable parties I would 100% agree with your opinion Ozy. The funny thing is the two reports I have that aren't from my hate group is yours and cekos where one is because I targetted ceko which has no rule against it, and you who reported me for when I got failor'd. So both non hate bloc reports we're basically innocent verdicts. If I had reports coming in from good folks who play the game clean and don't throw I'd 100% agree with your opinion, unfortunately OzyWho when they send their reporters, they're not sending their best.

Like if I just ordered a bunch of Neo Nazis on fiver to come in and report you OzyWho I pray to god the reports wouldn't get taken seriously just because they filed a lot of them yknow?

Also to clarify it's not "Everyone Else" there are plenty of legitimate good mafia players out there, it's not like I'm fighting against a huge Majority here, just a few people with hate boners.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

With the amount of reports you have on your name, you should agree with Helz if even just 50% of them were tbh.

Quick reminder that you're likely the record holder for getting the most permanent bans (4), with the earliest dating back to 2013.

But nah, it's not you it's 'them'. With the 'them' being almost everyone else. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

With most of them accrued by the same 3-4 players. You're the outlier in that.

If all my reports had been from seperate parties and respectable parties I would 100% agree with your opinion Ozy. The funny thing is the two reports I have that aren't from my hate group is yours and cekos where one is because I targetted ceko which has no rule against it, and you who reported me for when I got failor'd. So both non hate bloc reports we're basically innocent verdicts. If I had reports coming in from good folks who play the game clean and don't throw I'd 100% agree with your opinion, unfortunately OzyWho when they send their reporters, they're not sending their best.

Like if I just ordered a bunch of Neo Nazis on fiver to come in and report you OzyWho I pray to god the reports wouldn't get taken seriously just because they filed a lot of them yknow?

Also to clarify it's not "Everyone Else" there are plenty of legitimate good mafia players out there, it's not like I'm fighting against a huge Majority here, just a few people with hate boners.

[QUOTE=Helz;935796]If I could ask, could you clarify what you think about the mods?

At one point you suggested they were power tripping and abusing power. Then at another you said it was a result from multiple people having personal issues with you and spam reporting you until mods took action (with the thinking that multiple reports create a situation where they need to be addressed), and then here you said they fucked up and you called them out on it.

I kinda feel that these positions are mutually exclusive and am a bit confused as to what your point is.

On a side note as I said before, when multiple people take issue with you, you are the common factor. I’m sure some blame can be attributed to others but in my personal life when I receive the same feedback from multiple sources I try to be introspective and see if I can grow from it as a person.[/QUOTE]


Nah those ideas aren't mutally exclusive. You can hve mods who enjoy powertripping colluding with sc2mafia players who hate you, it's fairly easy to see how they aren't things that disallow the other from existing.

I agree with your last point that if people are telling you the same feedback maybe you did something wrong, but Helz would you think the same way if it was a group of Neo Nazis who were telling you, you need to hate blacks more? If there had been a common trend for respectable people and not people who are known for mass reporting here there would be a lot more weight to the complaints.

Like if a chronic gamethrower accusing you of gamethrowing you're not going to take their opinion as seriously as a player who doesn't right.

If all of my reports were from respectable humans I would 100% agree with your logic here.

Originally Posted by Helz

If I could ask, could you clarify what you think about the mods?

At one point you suggested they were power tripping and abusing power. Then at another you said it was a result from multiple people having personal issues with you and spam reporting you until mods took action (with the thinking that multiple reports create a situation where they need to be addressed), and then here you said they fucked up and you called them out on it.

I kinda feel that these positions are mutually exclusive and am a bit confused as to what your point is.

On a side note as I said before, when multiple people take issue with you, you are the common factor. I’m sure some blame can be attributed to others but in my personal life when I receive the same feedback from multiple sources I try to be introspective and see if I can grow from it as a person.

Nah those ideas aren't mutally exclusive. You can hve mods who enjoy powertripping colluding with sc2mafia players who hate you, it's fairly easy to see how they aren't things that disallow the other from existing.

I agree with your last point that if people are telling you the same feedback maybe you did something wrong, but Helz would you think the same way if it was a group of Neo Nazis who were telling you, you need to hate blacks more? If there had been a common trend for respectable people and not people who are known for mass reporting here there would be a lot more weight to the complaints.

Like if a chronic gamethrower accusing you of gamethrowing you're not going to take their opinion as seriously as a player who doesn't right.

If all of my reports were from respectable humans I would 100% agree with your logic here.

So in your mind mocking people who called out Mods when they objectively fucked up is a good look? If you stand with that, then that's all I really need to know.

So in your mind mocking people who called out Mods when they objectively fucked up is a good look? If you stand with that, then that's all I really need to know.

I mean he made a satirical post about a thread where's mods objectively made and then thankfully corrected a mistake as if sticking up for Paopan when the mods actually did something wrong, was something to ridicule.

Like the fact that I don't like it when power tripping mods powertrip is something funny. When I asked him seriously about his views and challenges him on any point he just deflects so, obviously he has some things he wants to say, he's just too lazy/scared whatever to post them.

I mean he made a satirical post about a thread where's mods objectively made and then thankfully corrected a mistake as if sticking up for Paopan when the mods actually did something wrong, was something to ridicule.

Like the fact that I don't like it when power tripping mods powertrip is something funny. When I asked him seriously about his views and challenges him on any point he just deflects so, obviously he has some things he wants to say, he's just too lazy/scared whatever to post them.

IDK Why Jack is unable to just say what's on his mind as if he's fearful of an internet fight over a difference of opinion. I guess it's just that if he seriously articulated his points he doubts he would be able to defend them.

Weasely Brit Bongers gonna Weasel i guess.

IDK Why Jack is unable to just say what's on his mind as if he's fearful of an internet fight over a difference of opinion. I guess it's just that if he seriously articulated his points he doubts he would be able to defend them.

Weasely Brit Bongers gonna Weasel i guess.