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[QUOTE=OzyWho;944873]Will you marry me?[/QUOTE]

XD sure

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Will you marry me?

XD sure

[QUOTE=Exeter350;944863]Just trying to show solidarity for Helz's situation. Sorry I'm late to the party, I've been busy. :([/QUOTE]

Hey, I didn't express my disagreement ^^ it's just that it seems we're running in circles about something that is not positive, to say the least, and I'm not sure that's the best thing for the community.

Originally Posted by Exeter350

Just trying to show solidarity for Helz's situation. Sorry I'm late to the party, I've been busy.

Hey, I didn't express my disagreement ^^ it's just that it seems we're running in circles about something that is not positive, to say the least, and I'm not sure that's the best thing for the community.

Now, I don't want to ruin the fun, but aren't we currently beating the same point over and over with the same arguments (and with a consensual conclusion)? I have the deep feeling continuing this thread is pointless, at least at the moment.

Now, I don't want to ruin the fun, but aren't we currently beating the same point over and over with the same arguments (and with a consensual conclusion)? I have the deep feeling continuing this thread is pointless, at least at the moment.

[QUOTE=aamirus;944457]Alright MM try not to be so horny. Firebringer can pickle your cucumber in private[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by aamirus

Alright MM try not to be so horny. Firebringer can pickle your cucumber in private

[QUOTE=Oberon;944454]I don’t think anyone has actually expressed agreement with Helz getting banned? Rumox and oops both disagreed with what Helz said and both yet said they were complete bitches for banning him.[/QUOTE]

Hey, don't forget me! Although "complete bitches" may not have been anyone's wording or thought extent lol.

The only things that makes me say the ban was illegitimate [I]per MU standards[/I] (excluding the concept of who is right or whether or not the standards are legitimate themselves), even if it had been a temporary one, are:
- Warnings are a thing, and were given to other people (like people who have been consistently insulting and belittling others in games... I have a particular somebody in mind...).
- They're clearly not respecting their own rules/customs by extending the ban to the forums as well, and this without an even seemingly legitimate reason to do so. It's not like Helz did something significantly worse than "standard rulebreaks", afaik.
- As I already said, they have a public responsibility because of the platform nature of their site. If they didn't want that, then they had to... not be the hosts of the Championship and the general platform for FM.

Also, Firebringer, I would love to see you witch-hunt cucumbers into pickles XD.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I don’t think anyone has actually expressed agreement with Helz getting banned? Rumox and oops both disagreed with what Helz said and both yet said they were complete bitches for banning him.

Hey, don't forget me! Although "complete bitches" may not have been anyone's wording or thought extent lol.

The only things that makes me say the ban was illegitimate per MU standards (excluding the concept of who is right or whether or not the standards are legitimate themselves), even if it had been a temporary one, are:
- Warnings are a thing, and were given to other people (like people who have been consistently insulting and belittling others in games... I have a particular somebody in mind...).
- They're clearly not respecting their own rules/customs by extending the ban to the forums as well, and this without an even seemingly legitimate reason to do so. It's not like Helz did something significantly worse than "standard rulebreaks", afaik.
- As I already said, they have a public responsibility because of the platform nature of their site. If they didn't want that, then they had to... not be the hosts of the Championship and the general platform for FM.

Also, Firebringer, I would love to see you witch-hunt cucumbers into pickles XD.

[QUOTE=Oberon;944404]Disclaimer: My opinion’s reflect those of every user on the website (especially Marshmallow Marshall’s). The entire site speaks through me.

[COLOR="#008080"]Black culture doesn’t cause crime. That’s kinda like saying video games promote violence and aggression. It’s just that poor people are more likely to commit crime, and many blacks are poor in America.[/COLOR] Saying it’s a part of their culture is a bit meh. You could go as far as arguing that rap encourages ppl to join gangs, and that’s just as ridiculous IMO.

That being said, while I do think it’s a little racist to make that point, banning people for that reason is a huge overreaction IMO. ‘Retarded’ comes to mind as a term[/QUOTE]

Lmao <3

[COLOR="#008080"]Exactly this.[/COLOR] There's also that the term "black culture" is inaccurate, because being black doesn't come with a specific culture. If you're talking about specific cultural groups in some parts of the US composed of Afro-Americans, then that's different, because those things do exist. But saying they encourage crime and putting that as a cause of crime rates doesn't make sense, since those people have been discriminated pretty heavily since the creation of the US, and even though things are getting much better now, the weight of centuries of discrimination (and partly of literal slavery) certainly doesn't help.

Also, I just realized this was in FM Discussion. Moved it to General Discussion since it really has nothing to do with FM on the site and more to do with other sites and politics (not because it's not relevant or w/e).

Originally Posted by Oberon

Disclaimer: My opinion’s reflect those of every user on the website (especially Marshmallow Marshall’s). The entire site speaks through me.

Black culture doesn’t cause crime. That’s kinda like saying video games promote violence and aggression. It’s just that poor people are more likely to commit crime, and many blacks are poor in America. Saying it’s a part of their culture is a bit meh. You could go as far as arguing that rap encourages ppl to join gangs, and that’s just as ridiculous IMO.

That being said, while I do think it’s a little racist to make that point, banning people for that reason is a huge overreaction IMO. ‘Retarded’ comes to mind as a term

Lmao <3

Exactly this. There's also that the term "black culture" is inaccurate, because being black doesn't come with a specific culture. If you're talking about specific cultural groups in some parts of the US composed of Afro-Americans, then that's different, because those things do exist. But saying they encourage crime and putting that as a cause of crime rates doesn't make sense, since those people have been discriminated pretty heavily since the creation of the US, and even though things are getting much better now, the weight of centuries of discrimination (and partly of literal slavery) certainly doesn't help.

Also, I just realized this was in FM Discussion. Moved it to General Discussion since it really has nothing to do with FM on the site and more to do with other sites and politics (not because it's not relevant or w/e).

Mandatory disclaimer: This is my position only, not the staff's position. Although you can see where I stand on the matter, this engages noone but me and does not represent SC2 Mafia's views as a whole in any way or form.

Reason cannot argue with feelings unless it has a root in the interlocutor's feelings, i.e. unless the reasoning person knows the person acting strongly on feelings enough to create the wish to have a rational discussion. That is not your case here, sadly. It was clearly stated that they don't care about what you said, but rather about how others perceived it. Thus, without regard to who's right or wrong here, arguing with them is very probably pointless, so you should cross that off your to-do list :P.

I disagree with the stance about "Asian culture" and the like that got you banned, btw. I think you're oversimplifying and that such continental cultures simply don't exist. And eventually, what you're saying does lead to saying "black culture", assuming such a thing even exists, glorifies crime, i.e. that black people are inherently more criminal than others not because of factors external to themselves (socio-economic factors), but because of their very mentality associated to the "black mindset" or something like that. And that... is absolutely racist lol. I'm not saying that's what you meant, but I'm saying that's what it leads to.

But - and that is a massive [I]but[/I] - when it comes to permabanning someone without warning for saying something that eventually leads to a racist point of view when they probably didn't even realize it, that's a massive red flag in my moderator and human heart. I would say it's their right as long as their community supports it, though, and it seems to be the case... I would say that, but only if they weren't [B]the[/B] platform for cross-community events and home to the Championship. That makes them not a simple harmonious, homogeneous commune enforcing self-preservation rules, but rather something alike to a totalitarian state of FM. Of course, this is a bit of an exaggeration because it's not real life, but the principle remains. So, as a conclusion: this situation is sad. But there's not much we can do about it.

I do think you could ask to simply be unbanned and pledge not to talk about politics there anymore, though. That could work if all you want is to be able to play there.
Personally, I don't play on MU anymore unless I'm invited to a game in some way or form, because while I can understand the wish of having a safe space, it simply doesn't attract me, since I like freedom of thought, speech, and debate. That's also an option to consider if you just want to sleep at night, if I may suggest.

Mandatory disclaimer: This is my position only, not the staff's position. Although you can see where I stand on the matter, this engages noone but me and does not represent SC2 Mafia's views as a whole in any way or form.

Reason cannot argue with feelings unless it has a root in the interlocutor's feelings, i.e. unless the reasoning person knows the person acting strongly on feelings enough to create the wish to have a rational discussion. That is not your case here, sadly. It was clearly stated that they don't care about what you said, but rather about how others perceived it. Thus, without regard to who's right or wrong here, arguing with them is very probably pointless, so you should cross that off your to-do list :P.

I disagree with the stance about "Asian culture" and the like that got you banned, btw. I think you're oversimplifying and that such continental cultures simply don't exist. And eventually, what you're saying does lead to saying "black culture", assuming such a thing even exists, glorifies crime, i.e. that black people are inherently more criminal than others not because of factors external to themselves (socio-economic factors), but because of their very mentality associated to the "black mindset" or something like that. And that... is absolutely racist lol. I'm not saying that's what you meant, but I'm saying that's what it leads to.

But - and that is a massive but - when it comes to permabanning someone without warning for saying something that eventually leads to a racist point of view when they probably didn't even realize it, that's a massive red flag in my moderator and human heart. I would say it's their right as long as their community supports it, though, and it seems to be the case... I would say that, but only if they weren't the platform for cross-community events and home to the Championship. That makes them not a simple harmonious, homogeneous commune enforcing self-preservation rules, but rather something alike to a totalitarian state of FM. Of course, this is a bit of an exaggeration because it's not real life, but the principle remains. So, as a conclusion: this situation is sad. But there's not much we can do about it.

I do think you could ask to simply be unbanned and pledge not to talk about politics there anymore, though. That could work if all you want is to be able to play there.
Personally, I don't play on MU anymore unless I'm invited to a game in some way or form, because while I can understand the wish of having a safe space, it simply doesn't attract me, since I like freedom of thought, speech, and debate. That's also an option to consider if you just want to sleep at night, if I may suggest.