[QUOTE=SuperJack;867661]Yet this does not excuse AFKing. If you join a game, you are taking the responsibility of taking part. If you fail to do so then you are failing all the players and the host. Wasting their time and effort which they have put in.
So if you are paying the minimum. Don't be surprised if people get angry and upset at you.
I did this during D2 & D3. I used the games emotional state to avoid participating in hoping to get away using an emotional get out of lynch card. Town had let me get away with it.
Although had I been pushed I would of pushed back.
I think what I'm trying to say is.
Sometimes people can give and expect too much.
Othertimes people can give and expect too little.
And there needs too be a middle ground and some understanding of people's situations and ability's.
There's only so much guidance a host or setup can give too this. As we should be able to accommodate different levels of play.
So it comes down to players to adapt and try and better the games.
Things like if you don't have enough time to give, don't do it then. Either make more time for the game, or become better at using the little time you have.
Or if you have too much time, find something else too do. Don't expect people too be able to get close to your levels.[/QUOTE]
amazing post, wholly agreed
Originally Posted by SuperJack
Yet this does not excuse AFKing. If you join a game, you are taking the responsibility of taking part. If you fail to do so then you are failing all the players and the host. Wasting their time and effort which they have put in.
So if you are paying the minimum. Don't be surprised if people get angry and upset at you.
I did this during D2 & D3. I used the games emotional state to avoid participating in hoping to get away using an emotional get out of lynch card. Town had let me get away with it.
Although had I been pushed I would of pushed back.
I think what I'm trying to say is.
Sometimes people can give and expect too much.
Othertimes people can give and expect too little.
And there needs too be a middle ground and some understanding of people's situations and ability's.
There's only so much guidance a host or setup can give too this. As we should be able to accommodate different levels of play.
So it comes down to players to adapt and try and better the games.
Things like if you don't have enough time to give, don't do it then. Either make more time for the game, or become better at using the little time you have.
Or if you have too much time, find something else too do. Don't expect people too be able to get close to your levels.
[QUOTE=naz;867656]I agree with you here though. The only reason why I did sign this time is bc I'm working from home and quarantined & knew I could keep up with the game. I'd like to take the discussion out of this thread, can u start the thread?🥰[/QUOTE]
I want to let marsh do it
Originally Posted by naz
I agree with you here though. The only reason why I did sign this time is bc I'm working from home and quarantined & knew I could keep up with the game. I'd like to take the discussion out of this thread, can u start the thread?🥰
[QUOTE=Ganelon;867637]Half baked idea tho. I suspect it won’t do much to solve these problems. One thing we could do is host games that have an extremely low max post count restriction per day (something like 50 posts/player). This will force players to make larger and more well thought-out posts.[/QUOTE]
like all the other suggestions, this encourages less activity. I genuinely feel like the people caring the most, spend the most time playing, and post the most etc etc. Is there no way to satisfy that demographic? Does everything have to be about encouraging people to barely play at all?
Originally Posted by Ganelon
Half baked idea tho. I suspect it won’t do much to solve these problems. One thing we could do is host games that have an extremely low max post count restriction per day (something like 50 posts/player). This will force players to make larger and more well thought-out posts.
like all the other suggestions, this encourages less activity. I genuinely feel like the people caring the most, spend the most time playing, and post the most etc etc. Is there no way to satisfy that demographic? Does everything have to be about encouraging people to barely play at all?
[QUOTE=BananaCucho;867584]Sure, its not okay to do an exaggerated thing that doesnt happen.
It IS okay to push people that sign for a game to at least attempt to play it, which we are all in agreement on, so I guess we'll just leave it at that[/QUOTE]
Our ragequits were unacceptable. And bitchy as fuck. It doesn't make it any less true that afking is a huge issue in games.
Of all 13 people playing I am 8/13 in posts. Ignoring replacements I am 7/10.
You were 5/13 and and 5/10 respectively.
For the entire game.
Something has to be done to reconcile people checking in once or twice a day vs. people posting all day. It just doesn't work with such enormous gaps in activity. Marsh please make that post you said you would about this topic, because we really need to discuss it as a community.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Sure, its not okay to do an exaggerated thing that doesnt happen.
It IS okay to push people that sign for a game to at least attempt to play it, which we are all in agreement on, so I guess we'll just leave it at that
Our ragequits were unacceptable. And bitchy as fuck. It doesn't make it any less true that afking is a huge issue in games.
Of all 13 people playing I am 8/13 in posts. Ignoring replacements I am 7/10.
You were 5/13 and and 5/10 respectively.
For the entire game.
Something has to be done to reconcile people checking in once or twice a day vs. people posting all day. It just doesn't work with such enormous gaps in activity. Marsh please make that post you said you would about this topic, because we really need to discuss it as a community.
[QUOTE=theoneceko;867423][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]i agree w u lol[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Correction: "ceko has no life, why tf would aami suggest ppl post even 1/10 as much as this loser. [B]uwu[/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
<3
Originally Posted by theoneceko
i agree w u lol
Correction: "ceko has no life, why tf would aami suggest ppl post even 1/10 as much as this loser. uwu
[QUOTE=secondpassing;866149]Your original post, quoted at the top has some good factual and contextual information, but the analysis I do not agree with. You are imagining a scenario where scum do the most obvious play. Scum often take a neutral stance. In fact, in our last game Varcron and ceko both took stances that would not place them into the spotlight, and they were both scum.
And as I said, I suspect not everyone scum was on Ganelon, it's more likely they unvoted or put their vote somewhere else to distance. Their [I]expectation [/I]was that renegade was going to die. I mean, come on. Renegade's posts did not save himself, and I'm pretty sure his teammates thought the same thing. Heck, he probably told them to scum read him.
BananaCucho's unvote was because he was asking for a replacement. There was a game with Toadette that I played where the replacing player left their vote on someone, replaced out, and that voted person was hammered. It's a courtesy that a sc2mafia player who also hosts would do. You, on the other hand unvoted for some other reason.
[U]Tell me why you unvoted.[/U] Probably wasn't because you knew you would be replaced soon.[/QUOTE]
BECause I FUCKKFN RAGE QUIT JUST LIKE UR SLOT DID. I JUST DIDNT ASK GYRLANDER FOR A REPLACEMWNT AND GHOSTED THE FAME FOR 2 DAYS UNTIL GYR PMED ME ON DISCORD ASKING WHY I WAS NOT LLSTING
Originally Posted by secondpassing
Your original post, quoted at the top has some good factual and contextual information, but the analysis I do not agree with. You are imagining a scenario where scum do the most obvious play. Scum often take a neutral stance. In fact, in our last game Varcron and ceko both took stances that would not place them into the spotlight, and they were both scum.
And as I said, I suspect not everyone scum was on Ganelon, it's more likely they unvoted or put their vote somewhere else to distance. Their expectation was that renegade was going to die. I mean, come on. Renegade's posts did not save himself, and I'm pretty sure his teammates thought the same thing. Heck, he probably told them to scum read him.
BananaCucho's unvote was because he was asking for a replacement. There was a game with Toadette that I played where the replacing player left their vote on someone, replaced out, and that voted person was hammered. It's a courtesy that a sc2mafia player who also hosts would do. You, on the other hand unvoted for some other reason.
Tell me why you unvoted. Probably wasn't because you knew you would be replaced soon.
BECause I FUCKKFN RAGE QUIT JUST LIKE UR SLOT DID. I JUST DIDNT ASK GYRLANDER FOR A REPLACEMWNT AND GHOSTED THE FAME FOR 2 DAYS UNTIL GYR PMED ME ON DISCORD ASKING WHY I WAS NOT LLSTING
I’ve noticed this pattern with players on the site. You start out as a noob, by the time you’re in your 3rd or 4th game you’re usually the one putting the most effort in and carrying the game. It lasts for however long and then you slowly get more and more disillusioned. Put less effort in and people will scum read you for not playing up to your meta of high effort. That forces you to quit or burn yourself out going all in which just makes people expect even more the next game.
I’ve noticed this pattern with players on the site. You start out as a noob, by the time you’re in your 3rd or 4th game you’re usually the one putting the most effort in and carrying the game. It lasts for however long and then you slowly get more and more disillusioned. Put less effort in and people will scum read you for not playing up to your meta of high effort. That forces you to quit or burn yourself out going all in which just makes people expect even more the next game.
[QUOTE=Ganelon;866137]Scum being annoyed at not being able to put in effort[/QUOTE]
I have had plenty of top poster top town read scum games. Same as town. And for both I’ve had low effort games and scum read all game. It feels like a toxic cycle because the only way to be “good” is to put a shit ton of effort in, but then when you do that it just is that much more of a bummer when the game is decided by which of 3 afk people get lynched. It’s why I resisted so hard on caving when people kept pinging me to sign, but then they were panicking about the game being cancelled so I gave in. But once again I regret it. Playing this doesn’t make me feel particularly good no matter which route I go, so I need to stop putting the site before myself.
Originally Posted by Ganelon
Scum being annoyed at not being able to put in effort
I have had plenty of top poster top town read scum games. Same as town. And for both I’ve had low effort games and scum read all game. It feels like a toxic cycle because the only way to be “good” is to put a shit ton of effort in, but then when you do that it just is that much more of a bummer when the game is decided by which of 3 afk people get lynched. It’s why I resisted so hard on caving when people kept pinging me to sign, but then they were panicking about the game being cancelled so I gave in. But once again I regret it. Playing this doesn’t make me feel particularly good no matter which route I go, so I need to stop putting the site before myself.
[QUOTE=Frinckles;866131]I cannot believe how easy this is. Im going to ruin you all as scum and I do not care if the world knows it. Perhaps the rest of you cannot be towny.[/QUOTE]
That’s what so annoying about 90% of people’s “reads”. It’s just who they feel put the most effort into the game is the most towny it’s so stupid
Originally Posted by Frinckles
I cannot believe how easy this is. Im going to ruin you all as scum and I do not care if the world knows it. Perhaps the rest of you cannot be towny.
That’s what so annoying about 90% of people’s “reads”. It’s just who they feel put the most effort into the game is the most towny it’s so stupid
[QUOTE=Ganelon;866117]Lmao if you really wanna hear me scream at people then sure I’ll play along:
Aamirus is 100% scum because of how she pointed out Renegade without actually trying to get him lynched. Her post to Frinckles reeks of manipulation (the one she just made). Also her tone is really weird. Usually town aamirus is really aggressive and very inquisitive but she more or less only faintly attacked him. Lastly her calling out Renegade could be seen as an attempt to both bus Renegade for toenpints and to pocket me, since I didn’t want to be lynched. Honestly couldn’t have worked better because I really had been getting weird vibes from Renegade over his statistics games and him lightly defending me.
naz is 100% scum because of how indecisive and very unwilling to point fingers she has been. She’s been trying to push fear lynched on Frinckles for a while now without actually having them gain any momentum at all. Lastly, the way she voted me instead of Renegade is really quite telling IMO.
SJ is 100% scum because he had a better reason, earlier on, than anyone else, to be voting Renegade. And then accused me of wanting to stifle discussion because I called out Ceko for trying too hard. Btw off note but I would fall that out every game lol. And, someone said that his table earned him town points? It should’ve earned him the EXACT opposite lol. Whenever you see people making tables and trying to be helpful and shit, they’re quite often scum... and then he bussed Renegade for mega town points.
the way aamirus has been pushing this thing with the nulls not being scum makes me think one of the nulls is her scum partner. Although she would notably be doing that too if she’s town, as she’s been AFK for most of the game.
there. I don’t want to write a post on noz because I don’t think she’s scum. Like at all lol. I’ve seen noz afk as scum before, and as town too, it isn’t AI for her.[/QUOTE]
I pushed renegade over and over again until he gave an actual detailed explanation for why he scumread me. I didn’t want to lynch him after that no...
Originally Posted by Ganelon
Lmao if you really wanna hear me scream at people then sure I’ll play along:
Aamirus is 100% scum because of how she pointed out Renegade without actually trying to get him lynched. Her post to Frinckles reeks of manipulation (the one she just made). Also her tone is really weird. Usually town aamirus is really aggressive and very inquisitive but she more or less only faintly attacked him. Lastly her calling out Renegade could be seen as an attempt to both bus Renegade for toenpints and to pocket me, since I didn’t want to be lynched. Honestly couldn’t have worked better because I really had been getting weird vibes from Renegade over his statistics games and him lightly defending me.
naz is 100% scum because of how indecisive and very unwilling to point fingers she has been. She’s been trying to push fear lynched on Frinckles for a while now without actually having them gain any momentum at all. Lastly, the way she voted me instead of Renegade is really quite telling IMO.
SJ is 100% scum because he had a better reason, earlier on, than anyone else, to be voting Renegade. And then accused me of wanting to stifle discussion because I called out Ceko for trying too hard. Btw off note but I would fall that out every game lol. And, someone said that his table earned him town points? It should’ve earned him the EXACT opposite lol. Whenever you see people making tables and trying to be helpful and shit, they’re quite often scum... and then he bussed Renegade for mega town points.
the way aamirus has been pushing this thing with the nulls not being scum makes me think one of the nulls is her scum partner. Although she would notably be doing that too if she’s town, as she’s been AFK for most of the game.
there. I don’t want to write a post on noz because I don’t think she’s scum. Like at all lol. I’ve seen noz afk as scum before, and as town too, it isn’t AI for her.
I pushed renegade over and over again until he gave an actual detailed explanation for why he scumread me. I didn’t want to lynch him after that no...
[QUOTE=secondpassing;866109]What if.. scum wasn't voting?
What if.. scum voting for someone outside those trains.
I think scum would more likely be scared to be pushing those agendas. That's expecting the scum to be obvious players.
I see it far more likely that a scum was not around often enough to use those voting tactics, come back, and assume the worst is going to happen.. which means Renegade will get lynched for his poor play (even I found him to be worth a second vigilante shot this game) and that they should [U]distance[/U]themselves as far as possible.
So if someone would bring up the vote count, perhaps there was a scum on ganelon, and to distance themselves from the scum voting ganelon, either another scum with a no-vote or a vote on someone else like naz or noz or varc or something.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the post you quoted lol? Also I don’t think there was any more votes. Maybe 1 random old vote somewhere? You’re talking about hypothetical scenarios that literally couldn’t have happened cuz there were was nobody else being voted. I guess before I left Frinckles got put to L-2 as an alternative to Renegade or myself... but IIIIIII was the first person to unvote Frinckles and derail that train (ur slot followed me) so it again makes zero sense for me to do that from a scum perspective.
Originally Posted by secondpassing
What if.. scum wasn't voting?
What if.. scum voting for someone outside those trains.
I think scum would more likely be scared to be pushing those agendas. That's expecting the scum to be obvious players.
I see it far more likely that a scum was not around often enough to use those voting tactics, come back, and assume the worst is going to happen.. which means Renegade will get lynched for his poor play (even I found him to be worth a second vigilante shot this game) and that they should distancethemselves as far as possible.
So if someone would bring up the vote count, perhaps there was a scum on ganelon, and to distance themselves from the scum voting ganelon, either another scum with a no-vote or a vote on someone else like naz or noz or varc or something.
Did you even read the post you quoted lol? Also I don’t think there was any more votes. Maybe 1 random old vote somewhere? You’re talking about hypothetical scenarios that literally couldn’t have happened cuz there were was nobody else being voted. I guess before I left Frinckles got put to L-2 as an alternative to Renegade or myself... but IIIIIII was the first person to unvote Frinckles and derail that train (ur slot followed me) so it again makes zero sense for me to do that from a scum perspective.
[QUOTE=aamirus;866056]And you know what? D1 ends in a 3 v 3 tie with renegade, a scum getting lynched. The scum have a chat and can ping each other. If the scum weren’t already on ganelon then why would they just sit there and let ren get lynched? The only reason to do that is if you get hard bus points on ren. But there’d be no value whatsoever from a scum POV in taking a neutral stance, unless literally both ren and ganelon are scum.
So really I can see only two scenarios that make sense:
1) All the scum either voted ganelon or hard bussed ren
2) Ganelon and ren are both scum
So I don’t even see how I can be in anybody’s POE.[/QUOTE]
So if I understand correctly we had:
Ganelon: Naz, Frinckles, Ren
Renegade: Ganelon, Ceko, Superjack
The votes placed by naz on ganelon and ganelon on renegade were fairly old by EOD1.
Frinckles openly pulled the Chinese fire drill to try to save Renegade. However it was so open that it’s hard to believe a scum would do that.
Ceko seemed to want renegade for awhile, whilst SuperJack appears to have jumped on hard while renegade was already in trouble.
I would say that in the scenario of bussing/saving, the most likely culprits of either would be Frinckles or SuperJack.
In the other scenario where both ren and gane were scum so there was nothing more they could do, gan would be scum of course.
So those 3 are my targets for now. Gan frinck SJ
Originally Posted by aamirus
And you know what? D1 ends in a 3 v 3 tie with renegade, a scum getting lynched. The scum have a chat and can ping each other. If the scum weren’t already on ganelon then why would they just sit there and let ren get lynched? The only reason to do that is if you get hard bus points on ren. But there’d be no value whatsoever from a scum POV in taking a neutral stance, unless literally both ren and ganelon are scum.
So really I can see only two scenarios that make sense:
1) All the scum either voted ganelon or hard bussed ren
2) Ganelon and ren are both scum
So I don’t even see how I can be in anybody’s POE.
So if I understand correctly we had:
Ganelon: Naz, Frinckles, Ren
Renegade: Ganelon, Ceko, Superjack
The votes placed by naz on ganelon and ganelon on renegade were fairly old by EOD1.
Frinckles openly pulled the Chinese fire drill to try to save Renegade. However it was so open that it’s hard to believe a scum would do that.
Ceko seemed to want renegade for awhile, whilst SuperJack appears to have jumped on hard while renegade was already in trouble.
I would say that in the scenario of bussing/saving, the most likely culprits of either would be Frinckles or SuperJack.
In the other scenario where both ren and gane were scum so there was nothing more they could do, gan would be scum of course.
And you know what? D1 ends in a 3 v 3 tie with renegade, a scum getting lynched. The scum have a chat and can ping each other. If the scum weren’t already on ganelon then why would they just sit there and let ren get lynched? The only reason to do that is if you get hard bus points on ren. But there’d be no value whatsoever from a scum POV in taking a neutral stance, unless literally both ren and ganelon are scum.
So really I can see only two scenarios that make sense:
1) All the scum either voted ganelon or hard bussed ren
2) Ganelon and ren are both scum
So I don’t even see how I can be in anybody’s POE.
And you know what? D1 ends in a 3 v 3 tie with renegade, a scum getting lynched. The scum have a chat and can ping each other. If the scum weren’t already on ganelon then why would they just sit there and let ren get lynched? The only reason to do that is if you get hard bus points on ren. But there’d be no value whatsoever from a scum POV in taking a neutral stance, unless literally both ren and ganelon are scum.
So really I can see only two scenarios that make sense:
1) All the scum either voted ganelon or hard bussed ren
2) Ganelon and ren are both scum
So I don’t even see how I can be in anybody’s POE.
[QUOTE=Ganelon;866033]Actually, you know what?
[vote]naz[/vote]
i just saw frinckles’ say ‘Naz avoids her scummates’. Oh my hw true that is.
like as far as I’m concerned, the only people who could be scum:
naz
aamirus
ceko
i legitimately don’t think it’s possible for anyone else to be scum. Literally just lynching in that PoE wins us the game. I don’t think naz has interacted with aamirus this game? Which is very strange. And I’m already scumreading aamirus for how hard she trolled about being scum on d1, and tried to steer the lynch away from Renegade lol. That is how I’d see a scummate defend another scum, nobody would engage in the blatant white knighting that Renegade did...[/QUOTE]
“Tried to steer the lynch away from renegade lol”
Can you explain how you think I did that? From my POV even without my vote on him, my pushing him got him lynched
Originally Posted by Ganelon
Actually, you know what?
-vote naz
i just saw frinckles’ say ‘Naz avoids her scummates’. Oh my hw true that is.
like as far as I’m concerned, the only people who could be scum:
naz
aamirus
ceko
i legitimately don’t think it’s possible for anyone else to be scum. Literally just lynching in that PoE wins us the game. I don’t think naz has interacted with aamirus this game? Which is very strange. And I’m already scumreading aamirus for how hard she trolled about being scum on d1, and tried to steer the lynch away from Renegade lol. That is how I’d see a scummate defend another scum, nobody would engage in the blatant white knighting that Renegade did...
“Tried to steer the lynch away from renegade lol”
Can you explain how you think I did that? From my POV even without my vote on him, my pushing him got him lynched
[QUOTE=Frinckles;866012]Eh, seems plausible. You four are the only ones I'm really looking at. I think Noz and Naz, name similarities aside -- both have this same 'untouchable' aura around them.
I probably do too to an extent, but atleast I'm trying to solve.[/QUOTE]
What seems plausible?
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Eh, seems plausible. You four are the only ones I'm really looking at. I think Noz and Naz, name similarities aside -- both have this same 'untouchable' aura around them.
I probably do too to an extent, but atleast I'm trying to solve.
[QUOTE=Frinckles;866008]So, my question to you is if you're not scum; convince me which two are scum in a pool of Naz/Noz/Ganelon.
Or ignore me and vote for me with Ceko because they've lost their fucking mind.
Obviously, Ganelon is the least likely of those two in that they had a vote on Renegade, though it was early. You can do research on that, they don't have many posts.
Banana (SP) probably isn't scum? For. Reasons.
And I'm not worldbuilding around myself.[/QUOTE]
Meh when I left in d1 I had basically the following reads:
Banana and ceko town
Ganelon and renegade neutral
Everyone else (including you): too little to say shit about them
Which is part of why I got really frustrated.
I found both ganelon and ren pretty scummy at first. Ganelon seemingly trying to gain major townpoints and or pocket you “AFK LYNCH 2 hours into day one is bad!!!” And renegade seemed to be trying to pocket ganelon and also sheeped a vote on me and couldn’t seem to come up with any actual reason he was voting me.
however when I thought about it with ganelon: like it would be scummy coming from someone else I think but from mag it’s kind of his standard stuff so I ended up finding it non alignment indicative for him
With ren I pushed him until he finally gave a more detailed reason for voting me and or finding me scummy, and then I felt like he could at least be off the hook for now.
Anyway I guess I have time to read up a bit and develop some actual reads
Originally Posted by Frinckles
So, my question to you is if you're not scum; convince me which two are scum in a pool of Naz/Noz/Ganelon.
Or ignore me and vote for me with Ceko because they've lost their fucking mind.
Obviously, Ganelon is the least likely of those two in that they had a vote on Renegade, though it was early. You can do research on that, they don't have many posts.
Banana (SP) probably isn't scum? For. Reasons.
And I'm not worldbuilding around myself.
Meh when I left in d1 I had basically the following reads:
Banana and ceko town
Ganelon and renegade neutral
Everyone else (including you): too little to say shit about them
Which is part of why I got really frustrated.
I found both ganelon and ren pretty scummy at first. Ganelon seemingly trying to gain major townpoints and or pocket you “AFK LYNCH 2 hours into day one is bad!!!” And renegade seemed to be trying to pocket ganelon and also sheeped a vote on me and couldn’t seem to come up with any actual reason he was voting me.
however when I thought about it with ganelon: like it would be scummy coming from someone else I think but from mag it’s kind of his standard stuff so I ended up finding it non alignment indicative for him
With ren I pushed him until he finally gave a more detailed reason for voting me and or finding me scummy, and then I felt like he could at least be off the hook for now.
Anyway I guess I have time to read up a bit and develop some actual reads
Mm so varcron was lynched and banana replaced so I’m still 4th most posts of anybody alive lmao. Although credit to you Frinckles that I guess you actually started playing
Mm so varcron was lynched and banana replaced so I’m still 4th most posts of anybody alive lmao. Although credit to you Frinckles that I guess you actually started playing
[QUOTE=Frinckles;865086]Infolynching me gives you zero info is one thing I can think of. You'd just backtrack into that group of five I mentioned originally and be lost there while me and Gyrlander post cat memes in the Cat Cave. Which, in a game with power roles for example -- might work. This is a bit more cutthroat than that, however. We don't really have the mislynches to do that.[/QUOTE]
Wow. Alright I quit [unvote][/unvote]
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Infolynching me gives you zero info is one thing I can think of. You'd just backtrack into that group of five I mentioned originally and be lost there while me and Gyrlander post cat memes in the Cat Cave. Which, in a game with power roles for example -- might work. This is a bit more cutthroat than that, however. We don't really have the mislynches to do that.
[QUOTE=BananaCucho;865076]Right, go back to lurking. In fact, why doesnt everyone start lurking? No point in posting if we all can just observe whats happening from a distance.[/QUOTE]
that sounds good!
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Right, go back to lurking. In fact, why doesnt everyone start lurking? No point in posting if we all can just observe whats happening from a distance.
[QUOTE=Frinckles;865068]Well, you had a good amount of people jump to and from your train after I posted my initial reads.
Overall I feel like your gameplay this round has been pinging me a bit. Like, you're not doing the "gotcha" thing as frequently. I've seen it perhaps once from you on a remark from Renegade. Everything else seems way too nonchalant.
I'm also pretty cautious about Banana here. Like I said, they're pretty good at feigning frustration and can maintain this with a high post count.
Also while writing this post I just realized Mafia don't have a nightkill. I planned to turbolynch Banana if they were alive tomorrow.
Anyway, yeah. I'm cool with lynching you here.[/QUOTE]
that's not a meta for me. sometimes I am much more or less active on either side. In this case, the game is dead af so I am too. The only people consistently around to talk to, ceko and banana, I have as town reads. You, varcron, naz, superjack, noz, have all been so afk, I can't even force activity out of you because you're straight up not there. Ganelon and renegade I've gotten to talk to a bit, didn't love either of those interactions but at least they had something to say.
If you can't be bothered to play, why should I? I am sapped from too many games where I put in hours and hours trying to solve this shit and then the game gets decided by who we lynch between 3 afks. I only signed because people were begging me.
Here, maybe this will convince you to fucking play? [vote]Frinckles[/vote]
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Well, you had a good amount of people jump to and from your train after I posted my initial reads.
Overall I feel like your gameplay this round has been pinging me a bit. Like, you're not doing the "gotcha" thing as frequently. I've seen it perhaps once from you on a remark from Renegade. Everything else seems way too nonchalant.
I'm also pretty cautious about Banana here. Like I said, they're pretty good at feigning frustration and can maintain this with a high post count.
Also while writing this post I just realized Mafia don't have a nightkill. I planned to turbolynch Banana if they were alive tomorrow.
Anyway, yeah. I'm cool with lynching you here.
that's not a meta for me. sometimes I am much more or less active on either side. In this case, the game is dead af so I am too. The only people consistently around to talk to, ceko and banana, I have as town reads. You, varcron, naz, superjack, noz, have all been so afk, I can't even force activity out of you because you're straight up not there. Ganelon and renegade I've gotten to talk to a bit, didn't love either of those interactions but at least they had something to say.
If you can't be bothered to play, why should I? I am sapped from too many games where I put in hours and hours trying to solve this shit and then the game gets decided by who we lynch between 3 afks. I only signed because people were begging me.
Here, maybe this will convince you to fucking play?
man so in all that time, we got a train on rene that was already basically starting when I logged off, and now 2 votes on frinckles? Damn this game is inactive af
man so in all that time, we got a train on rene that was already basically starting when I logged off, and now 2 votes on frinckles? Damn this game is inactive af
From what I read earlier, you basically afked when you were scum [MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION]
If you’re not scum now, how do you think you would act in your next scum game?
From what I read earlier, you basically afked when you were scum
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If you’re not scum now, how do you think you would act in your next scum game?
I mean to really address your point ceko... like scum know the town will be too wimpy to lynch a bunch of afks. So the ideal scum strategy is to just say nothing at all. But obviously people don’t do that. Most people want to win by actually outplaying the others than by default. For example I had a game where I was scum on a team with a distorted/blink archon. Voss had a sheriff lead on me but I managed to convince people to lynch him instead. Of course with his flip I was outed as mafia, and the obvious target for the next day lynch, with the smart strategy for my teammates to just bus me. Instead, they came up with a ridiculous idea to claim they were the neut killing (poisoner) and that I was already going to die, ultimately leading to the town lynching the real poisoner. Point being, they could have easily bussed me from the moment there was a sheriff lead, but instead they decided that we must win without losing any scum members.
So people don’t always play optimally. If they did, I honestly don’t have a clue how you could solve this game
I mean to really address your point ceko... like scum know the town will be too wimpy to lynch a bunch of afks. So the ideal scum strategy is to just say nothing at all. But obviously people don’t do that. Most people want to win by actually outplaying the others than by default. For example I had a game where I was scum on a team with a distorted/blink archon. Voss had a sheriff lead on me but I managed to convince people to lynch him instead. Of course with his flip I was outed as mafia, and the obvious target for the next day lynch, with the smart strategy for my teammates to just bus me. Instead, they came up with a ridiculous idea to claim they were the neut killing (poisoner) and that I was already going to die, ultimately leading to the town lynching the real poisoner. Point being, they could have easily bussed me from the moment there was a sheriff lead, but instead they decided that we must win without losing any scum members.
So people don’t always play optimally. If they did, I honestly don’t have a clue how you could solve this game
I really did not like this post. First of all, the dismissive tone puts me off, but let us set that aside.
Aamoorus is arguing the following: we must essentially start a train on every single person. Why? Varcron's point you responded to was very valid. In other games, the earliest trains were very much scum driven - and while following vote patterns is basically what we have to do this game, at some point starting a train on every single person for the hell of it creates more confusion in my opinion. I could be wrong though.
Statistically speaking, we are much more likely to mislynch than lynch a goonie. Additionally, do you not think that the scum would be wise to how the votes are so important here, and make sure they never were on the outside of the 6 votes needed to lynch?
I just don't like it. I am fine with an Aamirisu lynch for the time being.[/QUOTE]
To your first point:
Yes, I would like to train everybody here. There’s nothing I’d like more but for whatever reason people are super resistant to that. Is there really anything that moves the game forwards more than that though? That tells you how people claim to feel about everybody else?
To your second point:
Statistically we will lynch a town today, sure. Yes, scum would know to ignore these pushes and yet at the same time, people are dumb and they panic and let things slip they don’t have to. I really don’t understand how anybody could possibly solve this game without trains.
What you’re pointing out is exactly correct - the scums literally don’t have to do shit to win this game if they just act normally. I think the main thing that differentiates FM from the mod is that the primary way to catch the scums is because they DONT act normally, as opposed to some night actions that reveal alignments.
Banana made a great point earlier noting that the majority of shit people call alignment indicative means nothing. It’s quite true. But, nonetheless, there have to be some tells or else you wouldn’t have people calling themselves good at scumhunting, getting championship awards etc. part of the game is that the players are flawed, and will give away shit they don’t have to
Originally Posted by Renegade
Why I voted Aamirus.
I really did not like this post. First of all, the dismissive tone puts me off, but let us set that aside.
Aamoorus is arguing the following: we must essentially start a train on every single person. Why? Varcron's point you responded to was very valid. In other games, the earliest trains were very much scum driven - and while following vote patterns is basically what we have to do this game, at some point starting a train on every single person for the hell of it creates more confusion in my opinion. I could be wrong though.
Statistically speaking, we are much more likely to mislynch than lynch a goonie. Additionally, do you not think that the scum would be wise to how the votes are so important here, and make sure they never were on the outside of the 6 votes needed to lynch?
I just don't like it. I am fine with an Aamirisu lynch for the time being.
To your first point:
Yes, I would like to train everybody here. There’s nothing I’d like more but for whatever reason people are super resistant to that. Is there really anything that moves the game forwards more than that though? That tells you how people claim to feel about everybody else?
To your second point:
Statistically we will lynch a town today, sure. Yes, scum would know to ignore these pushes and yet at the same time, people are dumb and they panic and let things slip they don’t have to. I really don’t understand how anybody could possibly solve this game without trains.
What you’re pointing out is exactly correct - the scums literally don’t have to do shit to win this game if they just act normally. I think the main thing that differentiates FM from the mod is that the primary way to catch the scums is because they DONT act normally, as opposed to some night actions that reveal alignments.
Banana made a great point earlier noting that the majority of shit people call alignment indicative means nothing. It’s quite true. But, nonetheless, there have to be some tells or else you wouldn’t have people calling themselves good at scumhunting, getting championship awards etc. part of the game is that the players are flawed, and will give away shit they don’t have to
[QUOTE=theoneceko;864852]Okay, the only thing I'm worried about is appearing jumpy as hell (like a rabbit [B]UwU[/B]).
I'm still deciding whether aamirus or Ganelon is scummier.
My vote stays on Ren, but [B]I do not want him lynched.[/B] I want aamirus or Gane (in no particular order) to die today. Lynches from these two will give us the most info.[/QUOTE]
Why do you feel it’s between us? Feels like that came out of the blue
Originally Posted by theoneceko
Okay, the only thing I'm worried about is appearing jumpy as hell (like a rabbit UwU).
I'm still deciding whether aamirus or Ganelon is scummier.
My vote stays on Ren, but I do not want him lynched. I want aamirus or Gane (in no particular order) to die today. Lynches from these two will give us the most info.
Why do you feel it’s between us? Feels like that came out of the blue
[QUOTE=theoneceko;864839][COLOR="#FFA07A"]All lovers have arguments. I need more thinking to do, but right now I argue that you're in my scum list! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (uWu)[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#EE82EE"]Just seems like a weird thing to attack someone over. Although, maybe you're just mad at GOOFY Varc.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
How is it weird. His read was weak and he even admitted it?
Originally Posted by theoneceko
All lovers have arguments. I need more thinking to do, but right now I argue that you're in my scum list! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (uWu)
Just seems like a weird thing to attack someone over. Although, maybe you're just mad at GOOFY Varc.
How is it weird. His read was weak and he even admitted it?
Originally Posted by SuperJack
Yet this does not excuse AFKing. If you join a game, you are taking the responsibility of taking part. If you fail to do so then you are failing all the players and the host. Wasting their time and effort which they have put in.
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