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[QUOTE=MasterNinja;834838]the definition for griefing in the sc2maf rules needs an update. [url]https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNRIgzfiMUriioPvZzBTXCu53-oaKw%3A1574874242655&ei=gqzeXbnTJ8uGrwTXs7ioDg&q=griefing+meaning&oq=griefing+meaning&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i203l7j0i10i203j0i203.8553.9352..9480...0.2..0.80.700.11......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.G8Bw5Wg4LXc&ved=0ahUKEwi5nLLe74rmAhVLw4sKHdcZDuUQ4dUDCAo&uact=5[/url]

griefing is hitting on other people and ruining for them on purpose.[/QUOTE]

That google search you provided is rather ambiguous but ignoring the Urban Dictionary entry, I'd say our definition is in line with more reputable ones available.

We've provided three pages of open dialogue with multiple examples and viewpoints so I've decided to close this thread hoping we've reached an understanding.

I will look into implementing a name-change ban in a post-2.0 update.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

the definition for griefing in the sc2maf rules needs an update. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...4dUDCAo&uact=5

griefing is hitting on other people and ruining for them on purpose.

That google search you provided is rather ambiguous but ignoring the Urban Dictionary entry, I'd say our definition is in line with more reputable ones available.

We've provided three pages of open dialogue with multiple examples and viewpoints so I've decided to close this thread hoping we've reached an understanding.

I will look into implementing a name-change ban in a post-2.0 update.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;834827]you know ur killing someone by lynching them too.

so if none of those are griefing then whats griefing, something way less important and minor than getting someone killed? hmm didnt know that. news to me[/QUOTE]

I'm not really one for punishment-related inquiries but a definition we're commonly given is:

[QUOTE]Crime: Griefing
Griefing is similar to trolling, but actually results in the game being ruined. This is trolling taken too far.[/QUOTE]

I encourage you to check out examples of such behavior (both from this year) [url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45051-BlackPride-1-S2-1-4684264?highlight=griefing/]here[/url] and [url=https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45145-Abaddon-1-s2-1-10499081?highlight=player+offenses+griefing/]here.[/url]

You can find additional examples publicly available as well.

It's important to point out that in both these examples, the griefing players are:

1.) Excessively trolling, with little regard towards who.
2.) Still mechanically playing in an acceptable fashion.

If you drop the second point, your end result is usually game-throwing and the second example shows how closely related the two can be. Despite this, communication comes in different forms and it can be a tricky area to define what is actually excessive trolling or negligent rhetoric. A largely deciding metric for examining this is often the outcome of the game.

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But to be honest, much of that doesn't apply to your post from what I see. Griefing doesn't appear to be what's happening here.

We're aware that there are roles in the game like Jailor and Vigilante that can remove players from the game and I understand it can feel bad. But unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that they were game-throwing by killing a confirmed role for example, they could simply have been playing to win.

Simply put: They don't know who you are, unless you let them know. This could be your name, your colors, a tag you use and rarely -- the syntax you use.

I feel like I've played enough Mafia (EpicMafia, real-life Mafia and Forum Mafia etc.) to say that the SC2Mafia map give you more freedom over your identity than almost anywhere else. It even points this out on the loading screen. You're a new person, unless you choose not to be.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

you know ur killing someone by lynching them too.

so if none of those are griefing then whats griefing, something way less important and minor than getting someone killed? hmm didnt know that. news to me

I'm not really one for punishment-related inquiries but a definition we're commonly given is:

Crime: Griefing
Griefing is similar to trolling, but actually results in the game being ruined. This is trolling taken too far.

I encourage you to check out examples of such behavior (both from this year) here and here.

You can find additional examples publicly available as well.

It's important to point out that in both these examples, the griefing players are:

1.) Excessively trolling, with little regard towards who.
2.) Still mechanically playing in an acceptable fashion.

If you drop the second point, your end result is usually game-throwing and the second example shows how closely related the two can be. Despite this, communication comes in different forms and it can be a tricky area to define what is actually excessive trolling or negligent rhetoric. A largely deciding metric for examining this is often the outcome of the game.

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But to be honest, much of that doesn't apply to your post from what I see. Griefing doesn't appear to be what's happening here.

We're aware that there are roles in the game like Jailor and Vigilante that can remove players from the game and I understand it can feel bad. But unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that they were game-throwing by killing a confirmed role for example, they could simply have been playing to win.

Simply put: They don't know who you are, unless you let them know. This could be your name, your colors, a tag you use and rarely -- the syntax you use.

I feel like I've played enough Mafia (EpicMafia, real-life Mafia and Forum Mafia etc.) to say that the SC2Mafia map give you more freedom over your identity than almost anywhere else. It even points this out on the loading screen. You're a new person, unless you choose not to be.

Adding to this conversation:

There is also totally an option to disable name selection.

Adding to this conversation:

There is also totally an option to disable name selection.