[QUOTE=Duzero;136932]I understand that you might try gambits during the game to get people lynched, but when you got lynched you should have been honest to avoid further confusion. If everyone left last wills that contained forged evidence against people they thought were scum then there wouldn't be a point of last wills.
It's better to leave accurate information so that the remaining players have something to work with.[/QUOTE]
*shrug*
I told everyone that they should read deeper into posts and I left a huge hint about my real results on Escaho. If you had looked through my posts more thoroughly, you'd have known exactly what I thought of Escaho and why.
I wanted to experiment a little bit to see how this would work out and I guess it didn't really do anything in the end. It didn't do the town any harm either way. Its positive effect was just nullified by Goremancer following him. If I had just said "Escaho is cit/GF, have fun" you would have gained nothing from it.
Originally Posted by Duzero
I understand that you might try gambits during the game to get people lynched, but when you got lynched you should have been honest to avoid further confusion. If everyone left last wills that contained forged evidence against people they thought were scum then there wouldn't be a point of last wills.
It's better to leave accurate information so that the remaining players have something to work with.
*shrug*
I told everyone that they should read deeper into posts and I left a huge hint about my real results on Escaho. If you had looked through my posts more thoroughly, you'd have known exactly what I thought of Escaho and why.
I wanted to experiment a little bit to see how this would work out and I guess it didn't really do anything in the end. It didn't do the town any harm either way. Its positive effect was just nullified by Goremancer following him. If I had just said "Escaho is cit/GF, have fun" you would have gained nothing from it.
[QUOTE=Duzero;136922]I think you did the biggest derp by giving false information intentionally.[/QUOTE]
Only because you don't understand why I did it and because you didn't read this post:
[QUOTE=BorkBot]And Escaho's reaction to my info on him should be taken into consideration, because a citizen wouldn't mind taking a bullet at night. A night immune godfather who mysteriously shared opinions with SirBlayzalot and decided to vote me out against his own reasoning from 1 page before might be worried about the SK's death notes, though.
[/QUOTE]
Pro town lies aren't derps. If it weren't for Goremancer tracking Escaho, Escaho might have been lynched as a result of my "info."
Originally Posted by Duzero
I think you did the biggest derp by giving false information intentionally.
Only because you don't understand why I did it and because you didn't read this post:
Originally Posted by BorkBot
And Escaho's reaction to my info on him should be taken into consideration, because a citizen wouldn't mind taking a bullet at night. A night immune godfather who mysteriously shared opinions with SirBlayzalot and decided to vote me out against his own reasoning from 1 page before might be worried about the SK's death notes, though.
Pro town lies aren't derps. If it weren't for Goremancer tracking Escaho, Escaho might have been lynched as a result of my "info."
[QUOTE=Rocshi;136915]They really did have no reason to lynch me.[/QUOTE]
Heh, they actually did. A town player was going to die if you were one of the people to open the crypt to fulfil your win condition.
[quote]Also, where is my promised "Ultimate Derp" award.
Also, CmG shot a claimed Survivor through a claim that had really no holes in it... DAMN YOU.[/quote]
When Luna flipped drug dealer, it was proven that the soul thieving was drugged... he made the right call when shooting the confirmed jester.
You derped but I think Gore derped harder :p
Originally Posted by Rocshi
They really did have no reason to lynch me.
Heh, they actually did. A town player was going to die if you were one of the people to open the crypt to fulfil your win condition.
Also, where is my promised "Ultimate Derp" award.
Also, CmG shot a claimed Survivor through a claim that had really no holes in it... DAMN YOU.
When Luna flipped drug dealer, it was proven that the soul thieving was drugged... he made the right call when shooting the confirmed jester.
[QUOTE]Plus, the cult had gained quite a few members by the time your trial came too.[/QUOTE]
Only shaded was cult.. the rest was already dead from suicides. Escaho is the only mafia who voted to lynch me... 5/7 of the votes that got me lynched before I could talk were townies and Goremancer and Ajkei definitely aren't new.
[QUOTE]I think if Borkbot didn't want to be lynched he should have acted less trollish instead of blaming the town. Honestly Sir Blayzalot did a better job of appearing like an investigator than Borkbot did. Borky you aren't really in a position to comment because you KNEW that you were the investigator and thus he was probably the cosigliere so you really don't have an objective view of things. I don't really either since I knew everything but the empirical evidence states that Blayz did a better job of being "pro town." [/QUOTE]
Ehm.. no. There is nothing suspicious about acting trollish if you're also actively scum hunting, which I was. It's not like I was acting like Viserys in FM12. It's called trying not to get shot at night. SirBlayzalot on the other hand was dropping scumtells left and right, some of which were the results of my scum hunting to unmask him. If people didn't take my attempts at unmasking him seriously that's entirely their fault, not mine. I asked plenty of questions to expose him and he let himself be exposed by poor choice of words under pressure.
Plus, the cult had gained quite a few members by the time your trial came too.
Only shaded was cult.. the rest was already dead from suicides. Escaho is the only mafia who voted to lynch me... 5/7 of the votes that got me lynched before I could talk were townies and Goremancer and Ajkei definitely aren't new.
I think if Borkbot didn't want to be lynched he should have acted less trollish instead of blaming the town. Honestly Sir Blayzalot did a better job of appearing like an investigator than Borkbot did. Borky you aren't really in a position to comment because you KNEW that you were the investigator and thus he was probably the cosigliere so you really don't have an objective view of things. I don't really either since I knew everything but the empirical evidence states that Blayz did a better job of being "pro town."
Ehm.. no. There is nothing suspicious about acting trollish if you're also actively scum hunting, which I was. It's not like I was acting like Viserys in FM12. It's called trying not to get shot at night. SirBlayzalot on the other hand was dropping scumtells left and right, some of which were the results of my scum hunting to unmask him. If people didn't take my attempts at unmasking him seriously that's entirely their fault, not mine. I asked plenty of questions to expose him and he let himself be exposed by poor choice of words under pressure.
Also special mention to Goremancer, who had evidence that Gingerape was lying in her last will And he STILL managed to use that as evidence to lynch me. (he tracked her to my place on the night she died, so she hadn't visited me before and couldn't have anything on me in her last will)
Liek wtf? U village idiot bro. Srsly.
Also special mention to Goremancer, who had evidence that Gingerape was lying in her last will And he STILL managed to use that as evidence to lynch me. (he tracked her to my place on the night she died, so she hadn't visited me before and couldn't have anything on me in her last will)
My opinions are in the dead chat. Unlike most of you, I was really disappointed with this game because the town just didn't try to get any decent reads, ignoring even the most basic scumtells and acting on a whim. Pretty much all the good players were scum. It really doesn't show promise for the future imo.
I agree with the MVP.
I think Shaded should've been given the best new player award (acting so super pro town that it was almost scummy, in order to avoid being killed at night, yet making all the right decisions vote-wise and willing to search for scum based on proper reads). SirBlayzalot's act was very transparent and that the town bought it says more about them than it does about him. So Shaded will get my player's choice vote because he deserves some recognition.
Ubernox was also good, but near the end he slipped up a bit. I guess he knew he had to be lynched at some point anyway.
My opinions are in the dead chat. Unlike most of you, I was really disappointed with this game because the town just didn't try to get any decent reads, ignoring even the most basic scumtells and acting on a whim. Pretty much all the good players were scum. It really doesn't show promise for the future imo.
I agree with the MVP.
I think Shaded should've been given the best new player award (acting so super pro town that it was almost scummy, in order to avoid being killed at night, yet making all the right decisions vote-wise and willing to search for scum based on proper reads). SirBlayzalot's act was very transparent and that the town bought it says more about them than it does about him. So Shaded will get my player's choice vote because he deserves some recognition.
Ubernox was also good, but near the end he slipped up a bit. I guess he knew he had to be lynched at some point anyway.
[QUOTE]I don't know what you think letting you speak in your defense would accomplish.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I might have talked some sense into you. Then again, maybe not.
[quote]IF you were really town, you would be making use of that opportunity to scumhunt and not hiding your results out of spite (which would be borderline gamethrowing if you indeed were town.)[/quote]
When I was actively scumhunting yesterday, I was ignored. I've said all there needs to be said about SirBlayzalot. I gave an explanation for Goremancer's behaviour.
And Escaho's reaction to my info on him should be taken into consideration, because a citizen wouldn't mind taking a bullet at night. A night immune godfather who mysteriously shared opinions with SirBlayzalot and decided to vote me out against his own reasoning from 1 page before might be worried about the SK's death notes, though.
I've done more scumhunting after my lynch alone than you did in the entire game, so don't speak out of turn.
I don't know what you think letting you speak in your defense would accomplish.
I dunno, I might have talked some sense into you. Then again, maybe not.
IF you were really town, you would be making use of that opportunity to scumhunt and not hiding your results out of spite (which would be borderline gamethrowing if you indeed were town.)
When I was actively scumhunting yesterday, I was ignored. I've said all there needs to be said about SirBlayzalot. I gave an explanation for Goremancer's behaviour.
And Escaho's reaction to my info on him should be taken into consideration, because a citizen wouldn't mind taking a bullet at night. A night immune godfather who mysteriously shared opinions with SirBlayzalot and decided to vote me out against his own reasoning from 1 page before might be worried about the SK's death notes, though.
I've done more scumhunting after my lynch alone than you did in the entire game, so don't speak out of turn.
[QUOTE=Cryptonic;135366]I found sirblayz to not be scum because he called out mafia.[/QUOTE]
You lack vision, nude little troll. He called out a mafia who was already getting lynched.
Bussing isn't anything new.
Originally Posted by Cryptonic
I found sirblayz to not be scum because he called out mafia.
You lack vision, nude little troll. He called out a mafia who was already getting lynched.
Nobody ever asked me or SirBlayzalot any questions or anything. You don't "just lynch" someone if there is no hard evidence against them and there is no urgency to get a lynch done. It was a brainless train, just admit it.
Nobody ever asked me or SirBlayzalot any questions or anything. You don't "just lynch" someone if there is no hard evidence against them and there is no urgency to get a lynch done. It was a brainless train, just admit it.
Regardless, it's still stupid that I got lynched without being able to say a word in my defense while SirBlayzalot was opportunistic and scummy as hell yesterday.
Regardless, it's still stupid that I got lynched without being able to say a word in my defense while SirBlayzalot was opportunistic and scummy as hell yesterday.
SirBlayzalot was much more obvious mafia than Luna to me. It's not like I was pushing for a mislynch and Goremancer could easily have tracked her instead like Shaded suggested. There was no way she would've gotten away with that doctor claim for another day. If we had lynched SirBlayzlot, we wouldn't have ended up with this brainless fail train.
If you honestly think that I would have defended Luna so much if I were her ally, think again.
SirBlayzalot was much more obvious mafia than Luna to me. It's not like I was pushing for a mislynch and Goremancer could easily have tracked her instead like Shaded suggested. There was no way she would've gotten away with that doctor claim for another day. If we had lynched SirBlayzlot, we wouldn't have ended up with this brainless fail train.
If you honestly think that I would have defended Luna so much if I were her ally, think again.
I had you pegged as sheriff/mafioso Ubernox. Your diplomatic ways are sly and subtle, and could've gotten you far in both cases. You were probably one of the more interesting players this game and I'm interested to see what you're going to flip.
I had you pegged as sheriff/mafioso Ubernox. Your diplomatic ways are sly and subtle, and could've gotten you far in both cases. You were probably one of the more interesting players this game and I'm interested to see what you're going to flip.
[QUOTE=Ubernox;135296]Well, you're respected now Brok. Does that make you feel any better?[/QUOTE]
Well, it's nice. But to be fair FM12 was full of derp, so I guess I got considered mostly because I'm a tryhard while many others failed miserably and didn't care. I guess the game masters appreciated that I never really gave up.
Originally Posted by Ubernox
Well, you're respected now Brok. Does that make you feel any better?
Well, it's nice. But to be fair FM12 was full of derp, so I guess I got considered mostly because I'm a tryhard while many others failed miserably and didn't care. I guess the game masters appreciated that I never really gave up.
But seriously, I'd jump in front of a train to save some kid if I got the chance. My life isn't worth that much. Maybe that's also why I take these games so seriously. I like to pretend that they matter.
Is that a trick question?
But seriously, I'd jump in front of a train to save some kid if I got the chance. My life isn't worth that much. Maybe that's also why I take these games so seriously. I like to pretend that they matter.
Escaho: [I]Your target is medically trained, they may be a[/I] [COLOR=#00ff00]Doctor[/COLOR]/[COLOR=#ee82ee]Serial Killer[/COLOR]/[COLOR=#ff0000]Drug Dealer[/COLOR]
Now skip the day already.
Escaho: Your target is medically trained, they may be a Doctor/Serial Killer/Drug Dealer
[QUOTE=Brendan;135259]Lol Gore is prob cult makes sense, not completely sure, he could've just not known about cult leader leaving one behind but I doubt it. My internet will be down until atleast Friday. Phone browsing is horrible, stupid fucking storms causing multiple power outages. Fried my modem.. Even if Bork returns out Mafia, we still should've given him an opportunity to defend himself. I would've unvoted if the site wasn't down while I was at school and my internet had not gone out earlier. Took an hour to read all of these posts...[/QUOTE]
Yep. The site was down for ages. If it weren't for that, I would've posted much sooner. It's stupid that nobody even takes that into account.
Originally Posted by Brendan
Lol Gore is prob cult makes sense, not completely sure, he could've just not known about cult leader leaving one behind but I doubt it. My internet will be down until atleast Friday. Phone browsing is horrible, stupid fucking storms causing multiple power outages. Fried my modem.. Even if Bork returns out Mafia, we still should've given him an opportunity to defend himself. I would've unvoted if the site wasn't down while I was at school and my internet had not gone out earlier. Took an hour to read all of these posts...
Yep. The site was down for ages. If it weren't for that, I would've posted much sooner. It's stupid that nobody even takes that into account.
[QUOTE=Ubernox;135252]Bork, do I not deserve some credit for literally being the ONLY one to try and stop this train? Why don't you give out your results on MY behalf, and maybe then we could have a CHANCE of winning the game for you. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.[/QUOTE]
I'm not even sure if you are town, but if you are then I suppose you're the only one who thinks before voting.
Also, I'm not feeling sorry for myself.. I'm just deeply disappointed that the quality of FMs and MFMs has gone downhill so much of late. Maybe I try to hard as you pointed out with the Shutter Island comment yesterday, but I feel that others aren't trying nearly hard enough to make the game enjoyable.
[QUOTE]Sorry Borkbot if you are... and I don't see where I slipped up... I said all my results as I got them... I odnt see where you are seeing these slip ups :-/ [/QUOTE]
I wasn't talking about straight lies. Straight lies aren't scummy. You slipped up when you confused me for executioner the previous day and didn't understand why I would possibly want to direct a lynch onto you.
Props for fooling the blind, though.
Originally Posted by Ubernox
Bork, do I not deserve some credit for literally being the ONLY one to try and stop this train? Why don't you give out your results on MY behalf, and maybe then we could have a CHANCE of winning the game for you. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
I'm not even sure if you are town, but if you are then I suppose you're the only one who thinks before voting.
Also, I'm not feeling sorry for myself.. I'm just deeply disappointed that the quality of FMs and MFMs has gone downhill so much of late. Maybe I try to hard as you pointed out with the Shutter Island comment yesterday, but I feel that others aren't trying nearly hard enough to make the game enjoyable.
Sorry Borkbot if you are... and I don't see where I slipped up... I said all my results as I got them... I odnt see where you are seeing these slip ups :-/
I wasn't talking about straight lies. Straight lies aren't scummy. You slipped up when you confused me for executioner the previous day and didn't understand why I would possibly want to direct a lynch onto you.
Sorry, but I enjoyed the time when I played with intelligent players who loved to seek explanations for the things that happened and who dared to scrounge posts for subtle scumtells rather than believing scum last wills and lynching people for lying without a second thought. That time is apparently over and I'm upset about that.
SC2Mafia is a good alternative for a quick fix of mafia, but forum mafia is supposed to have more depth than that. Especially if you look at the amount of time invested in these games.. this is all the town comes up with? Unbelievable.
Sorry, but I enjoyed the time when I played with intelligent players who loved to seek explanations for the things that happened and who dared to scrounge posts for subtle scumtells rather than believing scum last wills and lynching people for lying without a second thought. That time is apparently over and I'm upset about that.
SC2Mafia is a good alternative for a quick fix of mafia, but forum mafia is supposed to have more depth than that. Especially if you look at the amount of time invested in these games.. this is all the town comes up with? Unbelievable.
[QUOTE=Ubernox;135244]Are you telling me that Goremancer has been culted?
I will also be very impressed if Blayz turns out to be the consig. Well played.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? He slipped up HARD on day 3. Just nobody wants to see it because he found out what the role of his own teammate was... [I]who was already on the chopping block[/I].
Isn't it obvious?
Originally Posted by Ubernox
Are you telling me that Goremancer has been culted?
I will also be very impressed if Blayz turns out to be the consig. Well played.
Are you kidding me? He slipped up HARD on day 3. Just nobody wants to see it because he found out what the role of his own teammate was... who was already on the chopping block.
[QUOTE=Goremancer;135239]You mean trying to bring down the townleader before you die? ok ok.
OOOH I JUST HAD A WHAT IF SITUATION!
WHAT IF THE MAFIA FRAMES BORKBOT AND HE SHOWED UP AS CONSIG/INVEST
AND BORKBOT IS ACTUALLY AN ACTRESS!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
Explain how I knew Blazer/CmG's role then, idiot cultist. There would've been no space on the roles list for an actress besides a consigliere.
Originally Posted by Goremancer
You mean trying to bring down the townleader before you die? ok ok.
OOOH I JUST HAD A WHAT IF SITUATION!
WHAT IF THE MAFIA FRAMES BORKBOT AND HE SHOWED UP AS CONSIG/INVEST
AND BORKBOT IS ACTUALLY AN ACTRESS!!!!!!!!
Explain how I knew Blazer/CmG's role then, idiot cultist. There would've been no space on the roles list for an actress besides a consigliere.
[QUOTE=Duzero;135233]I know you're upset but we really need those results to make up for the loss of you.[/QUOTE]
You should've thought about that before training me without giving me a chance to respond.
I want this town to lose. Any other result would be retarded. It's as ridiculous as the Sumikoko train in Zack's SFM. The scum are all laughing so hard right now... I know I was, when I was mafia in that game and won.
This one should end the same way.
Originally Posted by Duzero
I know you're upset but we really need those results to make up for the loss of you.
You should've thought about that before training me without giving me a chance to respond.
I want this town to lose. Any other result would be retarded. It's as ridiculous as the Sumikoko train in Zack's SFM. The scum are all laughing so hard right now... I know I was, when I was mafia in that game and won.
[QUOTE=Goremancer;135226]Unfortunately, all cult members die when the cult leader dies. So if I was converted I would've killed myself in a fanatic emotism :([/QUOTE]
*the cult leader has a passive one time use vest that will be triggered if he gets attacked at night*
level 1: Recruits player to cult, changing their alignment. If the cult leader dies all cult members will suicide [B]except for one who will be the sole survivor and the cult's only chance of winning[/B].
level 2: cult leader has full night immunity
level 3: cult leader has detection immunity
level up: (2) have the cult reach the size of four members at one point (cult will retain night kill even if the size drops below 4 members), (3) have the cult reach the size of six members at one point
[/QUOTE]
Oops! No they don't. Glad I could expose you before biting the dust myself. You're not that smart.
Originally Posted by Goremancer
Unfortunately, all cult members die when the cult leader dies. So if I was converted I would've killed myself in a fanatic emotism
Cult Leader: Spoiler : Rolecard :
*the cult leader has a passive one time use vest that will be triggered if he gets attacked at night*
level 1: Recruits player to cult, changing their alignment. If the cult leader dies all cult members will suicide except for one who will be the sole survivor and the cult's only chance of winning.
level 2: cult leader has full night immunity
level 3: cult leader has detection immunity
level up: (2) have the cult reach the size of four members at one point (cult will retain night kill even if the size drops below 4 members), (3) have the cult reach the size of six members at one point
Oops! No they don't. Glad I could expose you before biting the dust myself. You're not that smart.
[QUOTE]We'll see what he flips. Sir Blayzalot and him both claim investigator. Because two investigator's are not possible, I voted for the most logical choice between the two of them for Consig. Lay this squarely at my feet if you want Ubernox, but it makes sense. [/QUOTE]
Yep, good job Oberyn v2.0. Props to you.
When will you expose your entire mafia?
We'll see what he flips. Sir Blayzalot and him both claim investigator. Because two investigator's are not possible, I voted for the most logical choice between the two of them for Consig. Lay this squarely at my feet if you want Ubernox, but it makes sense.
[QUOTE]Hmmm how interesting Bork, well I'll see for myself at the end of the day. Btw no more culting can happen anyway since cultleader is dead. cult is gone. dead. dead. and dead. Ploy failed :D[/QUOTE]
Culting happens BEFORE killing. You were culted last night and were the sole survivor after cultist suicides. It's so blatantly obvious...
Hmmm how interesting Bork, well I'll see for myself at the end of the day. Btw no more culting can happen anyway since cultleader is dead. cult is gone. dead. dead. and dead. Ploy failed
Culting happens BEFORE killing. You were culted last night and were the sole survivor after cultist suicides. It's so blatantly obvious...
Screw this. I was writing a really long post but my browser crashed and it's gone. And now I come back and I'm lynched. lol...
Long story short:
When I'm mafia, I never defend my allies. I always bus them and sometimes even provide the logic why they look so scummy. That is what wins you games when you play scum because newbs who have no vision beyond the length of their nose always believe the simplest explanation possible is the one that is true.
I was not certain of Luna's innocence yesterday, but I WAS certain of SirBlayzalot's guilt. Especially after he slipped up when I confused him a little. Luna hinted at it in day chat yesterday that she had a clue about my role. When I said if I were an executioner I would have made a better sheriff claim, she said that I was probably an investigator/sheriff before I had even claimed. First I thought it was just her insight in how I play, but after she flipped mafia it seems obvious that she knew because her consigliere buddy investigated me at night.
I thought about investigating Ubernox last night, but because he was hinting so strongly at being a sheriff who knew of my innocence, I figured he'd reveal today if he was one. But it turns out the sheriff was culted and is implicating me in her last will. And you're buying that? Lol... She is culted and I'm not, I'm her enemy regardless and because she realised that this town is full of headless chickens she took advantage of it and wanted to get a lynch on me after she died. Well done I guess. Because I bet that just like Luna yesterday, nobody actually dares to oppose popular opinion and think for themselves, hunt for scum or anything.
SirBlayzalot is the consigliere. Lynch him now and I'll still die tonight because I'm the only town investigative role left. Anyone consider the possibility that Goremancer got culted last night? Yep. Cultings happen before kills do! And goremancer was confirmed town! How convenient. Another fun fact for the SC2 mafia newbs here, the doctor does not prevent culting. Goremancer sure looked happy to start the lynch train on me and believing a CULTIST's last will. Kind of like how believing Bronn the CONSIGLIERE's last will and basing a lynch on it turned out so well for the town in FM 12. It's a noob strategy no competent player should fall for. I suppose Goremancer doesn't qualify even if he was town I guess, but that's besides the point. If I were a cultist, I would've converted him as well in this case. He is the last cult survivor. What does him tracking Gingerape last night have to do with her results on me in her last will being genuine? It's bullshit.
The remaining townies are serious morons for even joining this train without hearing me out first. The sire was down for ages today.
I will not give you my investigation results from last night, because you don't deserve to win this.
Screw this. I was writing a really long post but my browser crashed and it's gone. And now I come back and I'm lynched. lol...
Long story short:
When I'm mafia, I never defend my allies. I always bus them and sometimes even provide the logic why they look so scummy. That is what wins you games when you play scum because newbs who have no vision beyond the length of their nose always believe the simplest explanation possible is the one that is true.
I was not certain of Luna's innocence yesterday, but I WAS certain of SirBlayzalot's guilt. Especially after he slipped up when I confused him a little. Luna hinted at it in day chat yesterday that she had a clue about my role. When I said if I were an executioner I would have made a better sheriff claim, she said that I was probably an investigator/sheriff before I had even claimed. First I thought it was just her insight in how I play, but after she flipped mafia it seems obvious that she knew because her consigliere buddy investigated me at night.
I thought about investigating Ubernox last night, but because he was hinting so strongly at being a sheriff who knew of my innocence, I figured he'd reveal today if he was one. But it turns out the sheriff was culted and is implicating me in her last will. And you're buying that? Lol... She is culted and I'm not, I'm her enemy regardless and because she realised that this town is full of headless chickens she took advantage of it and wanted to get a lynch on me after she died. Well done I guess. Because I bet that just like Luna yesterday, nobody actually dares to oppose popular opinion and think for themselves, hunt for scum or anything.
SirBlayzalot is the consigliere. Lynch him now and I'll still die tonight because I'm the only town investigative role left. Anyone consider the possibility that Goremancer got culted last night? Yep. Cultings happen before kills do! And goremancer was confirmed town! How convenient. Another fun fact for the SC2 mafia newbs here, the doctor does not prevent culting. Goremancer sure looked happy to start the lynch train on me and believing a CULTIST's last will. Kind of like how believing Bronn the CONSIGLIERE's last will and basing a lynch on it turned out so well for the town in FM 12. It's a noob strategy no competent player should fall for. I suppose Goremancer doesn't qualify even if he was town I guess, but that's besides the point. If I were a cultist, I would've converted him as well in this case. He is the last cult survivor. What does him tracking Gingerape last night have to do with her results on me in her last will being genuine? It's bullshit.
[QUOTE]I'm not saying that SirBlayz is one thing or the other here, but ASSUMING that he hypothetically IS in the mafia. Don't you think that anyone in their right mind would have meticulously coached him on to how to stay quiet? [/QUOTE]
New players make strange leaps under pressure, when they think they're caught. I tried to take advantage of that and it seems to have worked :smile:
I can imagine the mafia night chat now...
"Golly, SirBlayz, you made me really nervous there for a second when you tripped up in day chat so much."
"Sorry guys... I'm new at this give me a break!"
"Well don't worry, people don't believe BorkBot anyway because he never plays a straight forward game and they don't know what to make of him. You should be good for another day and after that we'll take care of the problem."
Now, I'm not completely certain that SirBlayzalot didn't take this opportunity to "confirm" himself as investigator when he thought Luna was getting lynched anyway, but I'm inclined to believe Luna in this case because she isn't a newb who would claim doctor immediately when she becomes a suspect and she actually is a doctor.
I'm not saying that SirBlayz is one thing or the other here, but ASSUMING that he hypothetically IS in the mafia. Don't you think that anyone in their right mind would have meticulously coached him on to how to stay quiet?
New players make strange leaps under pressure, when they think they're caught. I tried to take advantage of that and it seems to have worked
I can imagine the mafia night chat now...
"Golly, SirBlayz, you made me really nervous there for a second when you tripped up in day chat so much."
"Sorry guys... I'm new at this give me a break!"
"Well don't worry, people don't believe BorkBot anyway because he never plays a straight forward game and they don't know what to make of him. You should be good for another day and after that we'll take care of the problem."
Now, I'm not completely certain that SirBlayzalot didn't take this opportunity to "confirm" himself as investigator when he thought Luna was getting lynched anyway, but I'm inclined to believe Luna in this case because she isn't a newb who would claim doctor immediately when she becomes a suspect and she actually is a doctor.
[QUOTE]Jus how many people have you accused now? I'm sure that if someone were to go back through your posts, They would find that the number is quite high.[/QUOTE]
I have accused:
[QUOTE=ajkei;134533]There also have been no witch claims from anyone other than the claimed jester.[/QUOTE]
While that's true, the jester may not be lying about everything (though I'll take everything he said with a grain of salt) and at that point of the day the majority of players still hadn't spoken yet. It was much more likely that someone would still come with a witched claim than it was that 2 bus driven claims would follow.
I sometimes flap out what I think on a whim and at that moment I thought Ubernox might be a WIFOMing witch. It wasn't a strong suspicion, just a possibility that occurred to me. Since then, he's raised a lot more warning flags.
Originally Posted by ajkei
There also have been no witch claims from anyone other than the claimed jester.
While that's true, the jester may not be lying about everything (though I'll take everything he said with a grain of salt) and at that point of the day the majority of players still hadn't spoken yet. It was much more likely that someone would still come with a witched claim than it was that 2 bus driven claims would follow.
I sometimes flap out what I think on a whim and at that moment I thought Ubernox might be a WIFOMing witch. It wasn't a strong suspicion, just a possibility that occurred to me. Since then, he's raised a lot more warning flags.
[QUOTE=Ubernox;134527]Even from the beginning of the day, you find some baseless, arbitrary reason to point fingers at me. What is it that you have got against me, Bork?[/QUOTE]
On day 1 you said you were going to get revenge for the Tycoon loss in the previous MFM. That to me screamed you were hinting at being bus driver/witch.
Then there were no bus driven claims and ajkei claimed blocked today and you did not. So I thought alright, maybe he's the witch after all then. Hence the comment. There wasn't much weight to it yet then, but after the training on Luna began I became more and more suspicious of you with everything you posted. And now you're FoS.
Originally Posted by Ubernox
Even from the beginning of the day, you find some baseless, arbitrary reason to point fingers at me. What is it that you have got against me, Bork?
On day 1 you said you were going to get revenge for the Tycoon loss in the previous MFM. That to me screamed you were hinting at being bus driver/witch.
Then there were no bus driven claims and ajkei claimed blocked today and you did not. So I thought alright, maybe he's the witch after all then. Hence the comment. There wasn't much weight to it yet then, but after the training on Luna began I became more and more suspicious of you with everything you posted. And now you're FoS.
[QUOTE]Also, I assume you think that Clementine is the drug dealer then Bork?[/QUOTE]
No, she's more likely the godfather for claiming citizen on day 1.
Also, I assume you think that Clementine is the drug dealer then Bork?
No, she's more likely the godfather for claiming citizen on day 1.
More discrediting attempts. This is just hilarious.
You said to me earlier today: "dude I know ur not scum, plz vote Luna with us."
What was that? Demanding the person you thought to be executioner to put a vote on your pile and not cause trouble to the mafia and you'll let me live?
You're not going to kill me tonight anyway, because it would implicate SirBlayzalot, who can't defend himself properly without slipping 3-4 times asking questions only ignorant scum would ask.
[QUOTE=Ajkei]Are you talking about the part where he said an executioner couldn't be targeted on him?
I interpret that as "I dont understand... if he was exe [with blazer as a target] why would he want to lynch me?"
And sure, everyone has the possibility of being scum. I was simply saying that blayz had [of course not 100%] confirmed correct results that he could only get from an investigator/consigliere on his team, while you had results that could have been made up, and that his reaction to your fake-claim gambit seemed mostly town, as much as you try to push scumminess on it. Also, meta-wise, you fake claim MUCH more than he does. [/QUOTE]
He said he didn't understand if I was executioner, how he could be my target at all. And yeah sure I fake claim a lot, but that doesn't make me scummy. Scum tends to try to act as normal as possible, or they troll and lurk. ESPECIALLY if they're new. Fake claims are too risky because you can get tied up in your own lies if you're not careful and if more than one person comes up with evidence against you, you're screwed.
More discrediting attempts. This is just hilarious.
You said to me earlier today: "dude I know ur not scum, plz vote Luna with us."
What was that? Demanding the person you thought to be executioner to put a vote on your pile and not cause trouble to the mafia and you'll let me live?
You're not going to kill me tonight anyway, because it would implicate SirBlayzalot, who can't defend himself properly without slipping 3-4 times asking questions only ignorant scum would ask.
Originally Posted by Ajkei
Are you talking about the part where he said an executioner couldn't be targeted on him?
I interpret that as "I dont understand... if he was exe [with blazer as a target] why would he want to lynch me?"
And sure, everyone has the possibility of being scum. I was simply saying that blayz had [of course not 100%] confirmed correct results that he could only get from an investigator/consigliere on his team, while you had results that could have been made up, and that his reaction to your fake-claim gambit seemed mostly town, as much as you try to push scumminess on it. Also, meta-wise, you fake claim MUCH more than he does.
He said he didn't understand if I was executioner, how he could be my target at all. And yeah sure I fake claim a lot, but that doesn't make me scummy. Scum tends to try to act as normal as possible, or they troll and lurk. ESPECIALLY if they're new. Fake claims are too risky because you can get tied up in your own lies if you're not careful and if more than one person comes up with evidence against you, you're screwed.
Yeah you'd better bring that up. I wasn't trying to split the vote, I wanted to see SirBlayzalot lynched to stop the mafia from getting any more information to fake claims with and to establish myself as the town investigator. We still had plenty of time to switch the votes to him. But that wasn't an option you even considered. You were perfectly fine with keeping the pile on the doctor. One less problem to worry about with your night kills!
Yeah you'd better bring that up. I wasn't trying to split the vote, I wanted to see SirBlayzalot lynched to stop the mafia from getting any more information to fake claims with and to establish myself as the town investigator. We still had plenty of time to switch the votes to him. But that wasn't an option you even considered. You were perfectly fine with keeping the pile on the doctor. One less problem to worry about with your night kills!
[QUOTE]I'm not sure what to think Sir Blaze's claim, but judging by this being his first game I am inclined to believe it.[/QUOTE]
Also way to go writing me off as someone not to trust, while herping derping consigliere SirBlayzalot aided in getting the doctor lynched seems "legit" to you WHILE YOU STILL THINK LUNA IS A SOUL THIEF. You didn't even read the results SirBlayzalot posted and you still say you think his claim is trustworthy?
Meh. Scumslip ahoy.
I'm not sure what to think Sir Blaze's claim, but judging by this being his first game I am inclined to believe it.
Also way to go writing me off as someone not to trust, while herping derping consigliere SirBlayzalot aided in getting the doctor lynched seems "legit" to you WHILE YOU STILL THINK LUNA IS A SOUL THIEF. You didn't even read the results SirBlayzalot posted and you still say you think his claim is trustworthy?
Ubernox still pretending he believes Luna to be a soul thief? Why, because he knows she isn't mafia?
Let me tell you something, your consigliere announced in day chat that she was a doctor, bro. I hope you didn't miss that.
Also ajkei, if you are town and didn't see ANYTHING scummy about SirBlayzalot's posts after I laid it all out for you, you royally suck.
[QUOTE=McJesus]No one else died that night but there was a shadow looming as the town woke up to the next day. Things should be interesting!
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I think McJesus predicted that this would happen. Lol... failtown. So easily manipulated.
Ubernox still pretending he believes Luna to be a soul thief? Why, because he knows she isn't mafia?
Let me tell you something, your consigliere announced in day chat that she was a doctor, bro. I hope you didn't miss that.
Also ajkei, if you are town and didn't see ANYTHING scummy about SirBlayzalot's posts after I laid it all out for you, you royally suck.
Originally Posted by McJesus
No one else died that night but there was a shadow looming as the town woke up to the next day. Things should be interesting!
I think McJesus predicted that this would happen. Lol... failtown. So easily manipulated.
I also knew he wouldn't get killed by mafia under any circumstances, so the value of such information would be worth something for a long time. Last night I investigated Sumikoko who was at risk of being killed, and it didn't pay off. Though in a way I'm glad she died, because otherwise I might have pushed for her lynch (no jailed claims, a confirmed mafioso in the setup and a possible interceptor)
I also knew he wouldn't get killed by mafia under any circumstances, so the value of such information would be worth something for a long time. Last night I investigated Sumikoko who was at risk of being killed, and it didn't pay off. Though in a way I'm glad she died, because otherwise I might have pushed for her lynch (no jailed claims, a confirmed mafioso in the setup and a possible interceptor)
Originally Posted by Ubernox
What did Gore do in M-FM VI again?
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