March 26th, 2023, 04:22 PM
[VOTE]Mizery[/VOTE]
-vote Mizery
November 5th, 2022, 07:53 PM
Yeeeeees! :D
Yeeeeees!
November 4th, 2022, 07:24 AM
I got nothing i want to talk about. My mind is made up.
If this loses us the game, im sorry town i tried otherwise gg.
I got nothing i want to talk about. My mind is made up.
If this loses us the game, im sorry town i tried otherwise gg.
November 3rd, 2022, 10:37 PM
Oh shit, it’s plurality at F3 too?
That sucks
Oh shit, it’s plurality at F3 too?
That sucks
November 3rd, 2022, 10:34 PM
Let’s hammer this shit.
I hope we got this.
[VOTE]Yayap[/VOTE]
Let’s hammer this shit.
I hope we got this.
-vote Yayap
November 3rd, 2022, 10:28 PM
[QUOTE=Mizery;972653]stubbornness is my biggest flaw
[VOTE]yapyap[/VOTE][/QUOTE]
Check the name
Originally Posted by
Mizery
stubbornness is my biggest flaw
-vote yapyap
Check the name
November 2nd, 2022, 12:28 PM
Fuck it. Im killing Helz
Sorry if Im wrong.
[VOTE]Helz[/VOTE]
Fuck it. Im killing Helz
Sorry if Im wrong.
-vote Helz
November 2nd, 2022, 12:26 PM
Ika you should have protected Stealth. I was willing to die, I told you guys that I play to die as fast as possible while making the most impact in as less time as possible, that should have given you the hint to protect Stealth on night 2, cause he has a better head at end game than I do and probably more time too.
Ika you should have protected Stealth. I was willing to die, I told you guys that I play to die as fast as possible while making the most impact in as less time as possible, that should have given you the hint to protect Stealth on night 2, cause he has a better head at end game than I do and probably more time too.
November 2nd, 2022, 12:24 PM
And I have to decide in 6 minutes cause I gotta go
And I have to decide in 6 minutes cause I gotta go
November 2nd, 2022, 12:23 PM
I don't know if your emotional AtE is indicates a desperate wolf or Yayap's lack fire indicates a wolf that has given up.
And Ika the confirmed townie is not helping me a lot.
I might as well just sheep Ika on Helz and hope for the best.
I don't know if your emotional AtE is indicates a desperate wolf or Yayap's lack fire indicates a wolf that has given up.
And Ika the confirmed townie is not helping me a lot.
I might as well just sheep Ika on Helz and hope for the best.
November 2nd, 2022, 12:21 PM
[QUOTE=Guillo;972638]Yah it looks like you two have given up and only you can be scum which is perplexing.[/QUOTE]
Only one of you*
Originally Posted by
Guillo
Yah it looks like you two have given up and only you can be scum which is perplexing.
Only one of you*
November 2nd, 2022, 12:21 PM
Yah it looks like you two have given up and only you can be scum which is perplexing.
Yah it looks like you two have given up and only you can be scum which is perplexing.
November 2nd, 2022, 12:17 PM
You know what? I'm gonna flip an 180 on Yayap and just kill him today yah.
You know what? I'm gonna flip an 180 on Yayap and just kill him today yah.
November 2nd, 2022, 12:12 PM
[QUOTE=Yayap;972565]Not gonna lie mizery but there is little I can say truthfully that would make me look towny. My town play and my scum play are near identical and to lynch me, you might as well flip a coin to read me. Helz knows that thus why I wouldn't expect any progression in his read on me Guillo (not trying to defend him but that part of your read is inaccurate). The reasons I find Helz scummy has nothing to do with his read on me but how he has been reading others and trying to influence them; focusing on mechanical endgame scenarios when it really didn't matter if we were aware of it or not, it would happen naturally; [B][SIZE=5]his claims that he would like to set up a trap for me is strange because he should know that I wouldn't fall for it[/SIZE][/B]... and if I did, I would have a perfectly reasonable explanation get myself out of it.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think the trap was set up for you and not Mizery or Ika at the time?
[VOTE]Yayap[/VOTE]
Originally Posted by
Yayap
Not gonna lie mizery but there is little I can say truthfully that would make me look towny. My town play and my scum play are near identical and to lynch me, you might as well flip a coin to read me. Helz knows that thus why I wouldn't expect any progression in his read on me Guillo (not trying to defend him but that part of your read is inaccurate). The reasons I find Helz scummy has nothing to do with his read on me but how he has been reading others and trying to influence them; focusing on mechanical endgame scenarios when it really didn't matter if we were aware of it or not, it would happen naturally; his claims that he would like to set up a trap for me is strange because he should know that I wouldn't fall for it... and if I did, I would have a perfectly reasonable explanation get myself out of it.
What makes you think the trap was set up for you and not Mizery or Ika at the time?
-vote Yayap
November 2nd, 2022, 12:07 PM
[QUOTE=Helz;972630]Lol. This is true.
I will flip town. I have never just let it happen but thought about it this morning and figured there is no point worrying about something I can not influence. To underscore it I won't even bother to self-pres. If players were asking me questions and trying to read me I could influence the outcome. Ironically the removal of the ability for scum to influence the outcome is exactly why I pushed for a follow the cop strat.
My money is on Yayap over Mizery. His shading when people are town read feels like an intention indicator and I feel like he is very intentionally misrepresenting the value of my mechanical play.
So saying its valid or not is one thing, but not focusing on the motivation for it is quite another. Even in a world where I am totally wrong and my deductive logic was shit the question should still have been 'why' I did what I did as opposed to 'what' I did. I just do not see that thought process in his posts. Instead its throwing shade to say 'Actually you shouldn't be read as town because your math was bad'[/QUOTE]
Then why aren't you voting Yayap?
Originally Posted by
Helz
Lol. This is true.
I will flip town. I have never just let it happen but thought about it this morning and figured there is no point worrying about something I can not influence. To underscore it I won't even bother to self-pres. If players were asking me questions and trying to read me I could influence the outcome. Ironically the removal of the ability for scum to influence the outcome is exactly why I pushed for a follow the cop strat.
My money is on Yayap over Mizery. His shading when people are town read feels like an intention indicator and I feel like he is very intentionally misrepresenting the value of my mechanical play.
So saying its valid or not is one thing, but not focusing on the motivation for it is quite another. Even in a world where I am totally wrong and my deductive logic was shit the question should still have been 'why' I did what I did as opposed to 'what' I did. I just do not see that thought process in his posts. Instead its throwing shade to say 'Actually you shouldn't be read as town because your math was bad'
Then why aren't you voting Yayap?
November 2nd, 2022, 11:49 AM
You know what's the best part of being confirmed town?
That I can act scummy as hell and scum can't push me for it lol.
You know what's the best part of being confirmed town?
That I can act scummy as hell and scum can't push me for it lol.
November 2nd, 2022, 11:47 AM
Now I'm out of here. Im hoping this ends it
Now I'm out of here. Im hoping this ends it
November 2nd, 2022, 11:46 AM
[QUOTE=Helz;972625]If the town block is decided that Mizery is off the table regardless and its me/yayap I do not think the order maters.
Could even just let it RNG between us but if the game is decided it is what it is
[unvote][/unvote] So it does not hit our beloved host : )[/QUOTE]
Ok then
[VOTE]Helz[/VOTE]
Rest assure you will get justice if you flip town.
Originally Posted by
Helz
If the town block is decided that Mizery is off the table regardless and its me/yayap I do not think the order maters.
Could even just let it RNG between us but if the game is decided it is what it is
-unvote
So it does not hit our beloved host : )
Ok then
-vote Helz
Rest assure you will get justice if you flip town.
November 2nd, 2022, 11:37 AM
[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] do you have a preference for whom we kill today?
@ikarusdk
do you have a preference for whom we kill today?
November 2nd, 2022, 11:35 AM
I'm down to killing either Yayap or Helz today.
Like I got reasons to townread and scum read both to be honest but in my opinion, this PoE wins the game so it does not matter who dies first, so lets consolidate on one.
I'm down to killing either Yayap or Helz today.
Like I got reasons to townread and scum read both to be honest but in my opinion, this PoE wins the game so it does not matter who dies first, so lets consolidate on one.
November 2nd, 2022, 11:32 AM
[QUOTE=Mizery;972620]yapyap why are you talking like you think killing helz won't end the game[/QUOTE]
Because he perspective slipped lol
Originally Posted by
Mizery
yapyap why are you talking like you think killing helz won't end the game
Because he perspective slipped lol
November 2nd, 2022, 10:25 AM
If we dont end the game today.
I changed my mind, i will mot make it to EoD cause of work, so this vote likely stays parked
[VOTE]Yayap[/VOTE]
If we dont end the game today.
I changed my mind, i will mot make it to EoD cause of work, so this vote likely stays parked
-vote Yayap
November 2nd, 2022, 10:24 AM
[VOTE]Unvote[/VOTE]
I think Mizery is town and belueve scum does not want to eliminate them today because Mizery is the designated mischop at lylo.
So it really comes down to Helz and Yayap
@ Priest. Tonight you protect me but if you somehow outlive me, treat Mizery as town at lylo.
-vote Unvote
I think Mizery is town and belueve scum does not want to eliminate them today because Mizery is the designated mischop at lylo.
So it really comes down to Helz and Yayap
@ Priest. Tonight you protect me but if you somehow outlive me, treat Mizery as town at lylo.
November 2nd, 2022, 10:11 AM
Let's kill Mizery then, if one of you two are scum, i rather lose to one of you who i least played the game, than losing to scum p!Mizery.
[VOTE]Misery[/VOTE]
Let's kill Mizery then, if one of you two are scum, i rather lose to one of you who i least played the game, than losing to scum p!Mizery.
-vote Misery
November 2nd, 2022, 12:15 AM
[VOTE]Unvote[/VOTE]
-vote Unvote
November 1st, 2022, 11:26 PM
[QUOTE=Helz;972604]To be very upfront I think even considering me at this point is really fucking stupid. I keep saying it over and over but in what world does a scum shove the doc onto a 2p town block while pointing out the scum has to kill there and then kill there?
If I was scum and did it to pull the doc off some other PR sure, makes sense.
If I was town and did it to push the doc in the right dirrection increasing the chances of a kill block- sure, makes sense
But as a scum who needs to kill in there to push the doc to cover the people I need to kill? Yeah. Im going to disrespect that window licking logic and say how stupid it is because I know if we simply lynch Mizery and Yayap the town 100% wins. The hilarious part of it is nobody has even bothered to suggest I did some epic level super high risk play to self town confirm to discredit the point. People just keep lethargically ignoring that it even happened without a care like a stoned cow in India.
Then past that hardly a point has been made I can even speak to. Its not like I have the town grilling me for reasoning on my plays. I was very transparent about them but the most substantial case has come from.. what.. Martian's play?
If the town was even fucking trying to sort me I would be less irritated about it. So straight up. Disrespect to the read on me (or apathetic lack of one) and when I flip recognize it was not my bad play or scums good play- it was shit play from town that made it happen.
/Ate[/QUOTE]
Helz, have some class please. If winning the game for you is more worth it than the fun and respect of your peers then go ahead and try to win, im not playing with you again. The Helz i played with at KRC and here are day and night, im very disappointed.
Im gonna kill you, because i scum read you. Because your progression on Yayap sucks, because killing Stealth instead of me points to someone who believed had me pocketed and that is between you and Mizery. Yayap has no reason to let me live when ive been completely tunneled on him, i even said yesterday that if Luona was not it, Yayap was gonna be next. Stealth said that it was almost the same line of thought he had.
Stealth would have pushed for your elimination before Yayap and if not he would pushed for Misery whom he also suspected. You and Mizery had every motive to kill Stealth.
Even with Yayap bailing out today, i dont think i will ever kill him in this game, if he is scum, well played, he snowed me.
And the worst indicator is your najor shift in behavior, when you thought you had me convinced you acted politely, tried to look helpful with mechanics deductions etc.
But now that you are getting pushed, boy all of that went out of the window and it’s even personally attacking us. Where did that leveled head go?
Originally Posted by
Helz
To be very upfront I think even considering me at this point is really fucking stupid. I keep saying it over and over but in what world does a scum shove the doc onto a 2p town block while pointing out the scum has to kill there and then kill there?
If I was scum and did it to pull the doc off some other PR sure, makes sense.
If I was town and did it to push the doc in the right dirrection increasing the chances of a kill block- sure, makes sense
But as a scum who needs to kill in there to push the doc to cover the people I need to kill? Yeah. Im going to disrespect that window licking logic and say how stupid it is because I know if we simply lynch Mizery and Yayap the town 100% wins. The hilarious part of it is nobody has even bothered to suggest I did some epic level super high risk play to self town confirm to discredit the point. People just keep lethargically ignoring that it even happened without a care like a stoned cow in India.
Then past that hardly a point has been made I can even speak to. Its not like I have the town grilling me for reasoning on my plays. I was very transparent about them but the most substantial case has come from.. what.. Martian's play?
If the town was even fucking trying to sort me I would be less irritated about it. So straight up. Disrespect to the read on me (or apathetic lack of one) and when I flip recognize it was not my bad play or scums good play- it was shit play from town that made it happen.
/Ate
Helz, have some class please. If winning the game for you is more worth it than the fun and respect of your peers then go ahead and try to win, im not playing with you again. The Helz i played with at KRC and here are day and night, im very disappointed.
Im gonna kill you, because i scum read you. Because your progression on Yayap sucks, because killing Stealth instead of me points to someone who believed had me pocketed and that is between you and Mizery. Yayap has no reason to let me live when ive been completely tunneled on him, i even said yesterday that if Luona was not it, Yayap was gonna be next. Stealth said that it was almost the same line of thought he had.
Stealth would have pushed for your elimination before Yayap and if not he would pushed for Misery whom he also suspected. You and Mizery had every motive to kill Stealth.
Even with Yayap bailing out today, i dont think i will ever kill him in this game, if he is scum, well played, he snowed me.
And the worst indicator is your najor shift in behavior, when you thought you had me convinced you acted politely, tried to look helpful with mechanics deductions etc.
But now that you are getting pushed, boy all of that went out of the window and it’s even personally attacking us. Where did that leveled head go?
November 1st, 2022, 04:55 PM
[QUOTE=Helz;972535]If its going to happen let me know and I will try to give you guys something for the Lylo. But ask yourself why in the world I would shove the doc twords healing the town block so hard and then attack in the town block if I was scum. That would be a really stupid play when I could have spent my time building reads and casting shade on the PoE while letting the doc heal between the entire player pool as a scum player.[/QUOTE]
It wouldnt have mattered because the recommended heal was between Stealth and I, you recommending outside of it would make you look sus
Originally Posted by
Helz
If its going to happen let me know and I will try to give you guys something for the Lylo. But ask yourself why in the world I would shove the doc twords healing the town block so hard and then attack in the town block if I was scum. That would be a really stupid play when I could have spent my time building reads and casting shade on the PoE while letting the doc heal between the entire player pool as a scum player.
It wouldnt have mattered because the recommended heal was between Stealth and I, you recommending outside of it would make you look sus
November 1st, 2022, 04:48 PM
What im not liking about [MENTION=9360]Yayap[/MENTION] is that he bailed out after i flipped on Helz. Like scum who is content that the town leader is tunneling a townie. That’s the impression i get I dont know
What im not liking about
@Yayap
is that he bailed out after i flipped on Helz. Like scum who is content that the town leader is tunneling a townie. That’s the impression i get I dont know
November 1st, 2022, 04:46 PM
[QUOTE=Helz;972583]Or shortly after
At the time it sounded like the 'I told you so' of a dying townie but post flip it was again, never mentioned.
Could he have been talking to Mizery who was online at the time? Responding to me who he had answered 2 posts ago or maybe Yayap who he was just talking about?[/QUOTE]
This is a reach, this is a forum not a live chat
[VOTE]Helz[/VOTE]
Originally Posted by
Helz
Or shortly after
At the time it sounded like the 'I told you so' of a dying townie but post flip it was again, never mentioned.
Could he have been talking to Mizery who was online at the time? Responding to me who he had answered 2 posts ago or maybe Yayap who he was just talking about?
This is a reach, this is a forum not a live chat
-vote Helz
November 1st, 2022, 01:53 PM
Why not? You are riding on the cred im giving you? You look like a wolf comfortable, bidding for time.
I agree that Helz AtEing sucks but maybe he is just frustrated town.
Prove me wrong
Why not? You are riding on the cred im giving you? You look like a wolf comfortable, bidding for time.
I agree that Helz AtEing sucks but maybe he is just frustrated town.
Prove me wrong
November 1st, 2022, 01:07 PM
Here... this is me compromising with the idea
[VOTE]Mizery[/VOTE]
Here... this is me compromising with the idea
-vote Mizery
November 1st, 2022, 01:07 PM
What if we just kill Mizery off and go into lylo with the three loudest voices in the game for a grand finale?
Who is in?
What if we just kill Mizery off and go into lylo with the three loudest voices in the game for a grand finale?
Who is in?
November 1st, 2022, 12:35 PM
[QUOTE=Mizery;972563]and yet i kinda don't like the "im just gonnna have to trust guillo and ikar made the right decision" bc like bro if helz isn't wolf in your mind it's just me and therefore ez[/QUOTE]
Mizery. I townread you.
I know you are not big into cases for what I've seen, but maybe this once?
Give me a comparison between Helz and Yayap and tell me who is likely scum between them two.
Originally Posted by
Mizery
and yet i kinda don't like the "im just gonnna have to trust guillo and ikar made the right decision" bc like bro if helz isn't wolf in your mind it's just me and therefore ez
Mizery. I townread you.
I know you are not big into cases for what I've seen, but maybe this once?
Give me a comparison between Helz and Yayap and tell me who is likely scum between them two.
November 1st, 2022, 12:30 PM
[VOTE]Helz[/VOTE]
-vote Helz
November 1st, 2022, 12:29 PM
I think I broke a quote there
I think I broke a quote there
November 1st, 2022, 12:28 PM
Let's take a look at Helz' reads on Yayap
Townread.
[QUOTE=Helz;972285][SIZE=3][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Yayap[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SPOILER=Spoiler]Good to see you again old friend. Its been too long : )[/SPOILER]
Slightly lean town. I feel like he would have withheld something specific I saw if he was scum and although its been a while I do feel that I should be able to recognize if he is not town as the days go on. He has a methodical process that can be rather useful to the town as the game goes on if he is town which also strongly makes me want to avoid considering him for D1.[/QUOTE]
Mindmeld with Yayap
[QUOTE=Helz;972296]That is a good point. Its also a very small game so note taking may not be a strong priority.
Im going back through the thread and mapping out interactions. Waiting for host confirmation if I can post my chart given there are no last wills. I did note that Stealth calling Guillo 'Lock Town' (25) also suggests they are not W/W and that I liked seeing the Oliver train was specifically created by Guillo and Stealth (62/67) which makes me more comfortable.[/QUOTE]
Townreads Yayap on Day 2
[QUOTE=Helz;972375]Ranking people just from the wagon (independent of reads):
[SIZE=3][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Yayap:[/COLOR][/SIZE]
Looks good. They pushed Oliver, voted them and then when asked about reasoning he had a post that both felt solid as well as felt consistent with his earlier reasoning.[/QUOTE]
Side note, this is not a townie thought. Why you'd fake a scum slip that you know would derail the game and cause your elimination. Town don't yhink like this.
[QUOTE=Helz;972385]If I knew D2 was going to go like this I would have faked a scum slip or something to generate content like we were breaking RVS.[/QUOTE]
Another site note. Advocates for policy lynch to eliminate Luona. In a game with very few executions that town cannot afford, this approach to Luona is outing. I voted Luona because I scum read her, she tried to CW Oliver by voting someone else, she bailed out like scum bails out when they feel they have no path to win.
[VOTE]luona[/VOTE]
As rare as it is for me to pressure vote if we have to go back to policy lynching to get participation I will go there.[/QUOTE]
Continuing with his treatment of Yayap. Sets it up for a push on Yayap next day.
[QUOTE=Helz;972418]So for Yayap I felt like he noticed something specific that he did not mention. Pretty much why I have not messed with him. Poke me on it tomorrow and I will explain if we are both alive.
As time goes on if he does not step up and push I would be more suspicious of him. He is generally a strong town leader and did not have a subtle presence D1 but he was on the right lynch.[/QUOTE]
And today he votes Yayap
[QUOTE=Helz;972519][VOTE]Yayap[/VOTE]
My gut is favoring Yayap over Mizery. The way he casted shade on me yesterday near the end of the day made me feel like he may have been a scum viewing me as having too much town credit and needing to dismantle that days before we could be in a 1v1.
Mizery's play has not just felt apathetic, it has felt very void of making plays with any focus on self preservation or benefit for a scum player.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=5][B]Where is the progression???[/B][/SIZE]
I will explain why this is important after work, I gotta go for now.
Let's take a look at Helz' reads on Yayap
Townread.
Originally Posted by
Helz
Yayap
Slightly lean town. I feel like he would have withheld something specific I saw if he was scum and although its been a while I do feel that I should be able to recognize if he is not town as the days go on. He has a methodical process that can be rather useful to the town as the game goes on if he is town which also strongly makes me want to avoid considering him for D1.
Mindmeld with Yayap
Originally Posted by
Helz
That is a good point. Its also a very small game so note taking may not be a strong priority.
Im going back through the thread and mapping out interactions. Waiting for host confirmation if I can post my chart given there are no last wills. I did note that Stealth calling Guillo 'Lock Town' (25) also suggests they are not W/W and that I liked seeing the Oliver train was specifically created by Guillo and Stealth (62/67) which makes me more comfortable.
Townreads Yayap on Day 2
Originally Posted by
Helz
Ranking people just from the wagon (independent of reads):
Yayap:
Looks good. They pushed Oliver, voted them and then when asked about reasoning he had a post that both felt solid as well as felt consistent with his earlier reasoning.
Side note, this is not a townie thought. Why you'd fake a scum slip that you know would derail the game and cause your elimination. Town don't yhink like this.
Originally Posted by
Helz
If I knew D2 was going to go like this I would have faked a scum slip or something to generate content like we were breaking RVS.
Another site note. Advocates for policy lynch to eliminate Luona. In a game with very few executions that town cannot afford, this approach to Luona is outing. I voted Luona because I scum read her, she tried to CW Oliver by voting someone else, she bailed out like scum bails out when they feel they have no path to win.
-vote luona
As rare as it is for me to pressure vote if we have to go back to policy lynching to get participation I will go there.[/QUOTE]
Continuing with his treatment of Yayap. Sets it up for a push on Yayap next day.
Originally Posted by
Helz
So for Yayap I felt like he noticed something specific that he did not mention. Pretty much why I have not messed with him. Poke me on it tomorrow and I will explain if we are both alive.
As time goes on if he does not step up and push I would be more suspicious of him. He is generally a strong town leader and did not have a subtle presence D1 but he was on the right lynch.
And today he votes Yayap
Originally Posted by
Helz
-vote Yayap
My gut is favoring Yayap over Mizery. The way he casted shade on me yesterday near the end of the day made me feel like he may have been a scum viewing me as having too much town credit and needing to dismantle that days before we could be in a 1v1.
Mizery's play has not just felt apathetic, it has felt very void of making plays with any focus on self preservation or benefit for a scum player.
Where is the progression???
I will explain why this is important after work, I gotta go for now.
November 1st, 2022, 10:40 AM
[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;972354]I have literally never seen [B]activity/post frequency lead to a successful scumread[/B] in a long form FM setting. I have been playing mafia for half of my life. It hasn't ever happened. Statistically it should've happened by now due to just dumb luck. But it simply hasn't happened.
Quite blankly, I do not believe this means anything.
That is because ikarus is a longform newbie (but an experienced shortform player I think?) who has been playing with the additional point of view of the literal mafia world champion.
Not a single thing in this post is alignment indicative.[/QUOTE]
By the way Stealthbomber, I have also played half of my life and ive seen this happening, there are players with volume tells and there are players who are incapable of reacting when their pocket make an 180 on them.
Luckily for us Ika is the priest and your read was correct, meaning you had to be killed for this, scum with you and ika at lylo means Scum would lose.
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
I have literally never seen activity/post frequency lead to a successful scumread in a long form FM setting. I have been playing mafia for half of my life. It hasn't ever happened. Statistically it should've happened by now due to just dumb luck. But it simply hasn't happened.
Quite blankly, I do not believe this means anything.
That is because ikarus is a longform newbie (but an experienced shortform player I think?) who has been playing with the additional point of view of the literal mafia world champion.
Not a single thing in this post is alignment indicative.
By the way Stealthbomber, I have also played half of my life and ive seen this happening, there are players with volume tells and there are players who are incapable of reacting when their pocket make an 180 on them.
Luckily for us Ika is the priest and your read was correct, meaning you had to be killed for this, scum with you and ika at lylo means Scum would lose.
November 1st, 2022, 10:36 AM
[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;972347]This feels incorrect. Aside from my personal doubts that a new player would purposefully sack their mafia partner in their first game, ikarus's worldview has aligned closely with my own throughout the game thus far.
You haven't dedicated many posts to Martin/Helz or Mizery yet this game. May I inquire as to why that is?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;972348]I have to assume that you're voting here with intent.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Guillo;972349]I dedicated enough on day 1. I dont buy his newbie card, his posts through day 1 have been a mixture of newbie play and points of view from an experienced player.
But the most important part here is that i voted him when he least expected it, he froze and bailed the fuck out. He has not comeback ever since.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Guillo;972350]And this reads like a wolf expecting to get cred from voting out their partner when they didnt have a choice.[/QUOTE]
Scum knowing that Ika is town, would see these series of posts and believe that Ika was the optimal player to take to lylo with me.
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
This feels incorrect. Aside from my personal doubts that a new player would purposefully sack their mafia partner in their first game, ikarus's worldview has aligned closely with my own throughout the game thus far.
You haven't dedicated many posts to Martin/Helz or Mizery yet this game. May I inquire as to why that is?
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
I have to assume that you're voting here with intent.
Originally Posted by
Guillo
I dedicated enough on day 1. I dont buy his newbie card, his posts through day 1 have been a mixture of newbie play and points of view from an experienced player.
But the most important part here is that i voted him when he least expected it, he froze and bailed the fuck out. He has not comeback ever since.
Originally Posted by
Guillo
And this reads like a wolf expecting to get cred from voting out their partner when they didnt have a choice.
Scum knowing that Ika is town, would see these series of posts and believe that Ika was the optimal player to take to lylo with me.
November 1st, 2022, 08:59 AM
The glaring thing i got on Helz will follow shortly
The glaring thing i got on Helz will follow shortly
November 1st, 2022, 08:58 AM
This is just Martin alone.
This is just Martin alone.
November 1st, 2022, 08:57 AM
[QUOTE=Yayap;972158]Ah, the classic "you are scum for thinking I'm scum" approach followed by cram that idea by spamming it so everyone is sure to see it. No where in any of these posts do you say why I'm scum... instead, you default to hardclaiming the ONLY PR role other than the doctor. Claiming Friendly Soldier was a nice touch to try to pocket Stealthbomber who has a 50% chance of being a citizen, its also little risk to fake claim since a rifleman can't shoot till n2 and probably can't kill you if the doc is on you (highly likely right now), a Sorceress can't do anything to stop the other mafia from doing the kill even if he is on you and a different Friendly Soldier would just bring us back to a 1v1 being your word against his which you can rescind your claim at any time as I've seen soo many times past games by other people.
Still hasn't given any reasons why I'm scum, but keeps promising that he will / I'm still waiting.
As Stealthbomber pointed out right after, me knowing the skill level of the people I'm interacting with is important so that I dont misjudge what I would consider scummy. This site as a whole has very scummy town plays.
You know scum has locked in roles that are not random, and the Friendly soldier is specifically given the name of a random FOOTMAN aka citizen so this post adds doubt to anyone who doesn''t read the setup.
Really trying hard to pocket SB, considering that he only answered the most obvious of replies.
Don't care what you think should happen, I was inquiring for myself and no I did not read the signup sheet for that info to whoever mentioned that... I looked at the first post with the names of who signed up and that was pretty much it. Didn't expect there would be something I missed in there.
I'm concerned that I would throw him into my scum reads too quickly for overestimating his skill lvl, not underestimating Lumi's
Yup, don't care.. haven't impressed me yet.
Really hogging that spotlight trying to ensure you get that doc on you eh?
Still waiting....
1- If mafia know exactly who will be protected by doc, its easy to avoid overlapping.
2- Look closely and you'll see that I said my reasons were BS but I guess you missed that detail.
3- Mostly the doctor is my concern, but if there is a sorc instead then you just made sure your buddy won't be affected by him
4a- Doctor getting a successful heal is huge for town, you just made that harder
4b- I don't want to die n1 and would rather the docs night action be harder to predict thus increasing my chances of survival
5- if no info was given at all before n1, wouldn't you pick someone to heal that could potentially be a good player than a newb?
6- I didn't say the respected titles were alignment indicative, I said it had a small pull on n1 actions... which I mentioned to wipe the slate clean so it would be even more vague what he should do.
Still don't see why that makes me scum, I am enjoying being the bait though, some other peoples reactions have been quite enlightening.
You seem pressed for time considering that you have yet to say why I'm scum, you've only threw out some generic questions that aren't alignment indicative at all.
Lol, you obviously didn't read what was posted there... because I use meta mostly just to judge skill ability.
Ah, my patience has paid off. Luona indicates that she would join the "wagon" of 1 vote on me, without even seeing a clear reason why. This would be sheeping / lazyness for someone who just made a big post just beforehand.
I'll be back in a few hours... I have a few things to say on other people but it can wait.[/QUOTE]
This entire posts oozes in towniness, this is a paranoid townie considering all angles of my claim and challenging me. Because yes, at the time i could have been a wolf playing a gambit betting on the Friendly Soldier to not exist, but his paranoia didnt allow him to think that if there was no rifleman, the sorceress or the real friendly could have CCed me and a back to back chop between me and the CC would guarantee a chop.
Originally Posted by
Yayap
Ah, the classic "you are scum for thinking I'm scum" approach followed by cram that idea by spamming it so everyone is sure to see it. No where in any of these posts do you say why I'm scum... instead, you default to hardclaiming the ONLY PR role other than the doctor. Claiming Friendly Soldier was a nice touch to try to pocket Stealthbomber who has a 50% chance of being a citizen, its also little risk to fake claim since a rifleman can't shoot till n2 and probably can't kill you if the doc is on you (highly likely right now), a Sorceress can't do anything to stop the other mafia from doing the kill even if he is on you and a different Friendly Soldier would just bring us back to a 1v1 being your word against his which you can rescind your claim at any time as I've seen soo many times past games by other people.
Still hasn't given any reasons why I'm scum, but keeps promising that he will / I'm still waiting.
As Stealthbomber pointed out right after, me knowing the skill level of the people I'm interacting with is important so that I dont misjudge what I would consider scummy. This site as a whole has very scummy town plays.
You know scum has locked in roles that are not random, and the Friendly soldier is specifically given the name of a random FOOTMAN aka citizen so this post adds doubt to anyone who doesn''t read the setup.
Really trying hard to pocket SB, considering that he only answered the most obvious of replies.
Don't care what you think should happen, I was inquiring for myself and no I did not read the signup sheet for that info to whoever mentioned that... I looked at the first post with the names of who signed up and that was pretty much it. Didn't expect there would be something I missed in there.
I'm concerned that I would throw him into my scum reads too quickly for overestimating his skill lvl, not underestimating Lumi's
Yup, don't care.. haven't impressed me yet.
Really hogging that spotlight trying to ensure you get that doc on you eh?
Still waiting....
1- If mafia know exactly who will be protected by doc, its easy to avoid overlapping.
2- Look closely and you'll see that I said my reasons were BS but I guess you missed that detail.
3- Mostly the doctor is my concern, but if there is a sorc instead then you just made sure your buddy won't be affected by him
4a- Doctor getting a successful heal is huge for town, you just made that harder
4b- I don't want to die n1 and would rather the docs night action be harder to predict thus increasing my chances of survival
5- if no info was given at all before n1, wouldn't you pick someone to heal that could potentially be a good player than a newb?
6- I didn't say the respected titles were alignment indicative, I said it had a small pull on n1 actions... which I mentioned to wipe the slate clean so it would be even more vague what he should do.
Still don't see why that makes me scum, I am enjoying being the bait though, some other peoples reactions have been quite enlightening.
You seem pressed for time considering that you have yet to say why I'm scum, you've only threw out some generic questions that aren't alignment indicative at all.
Lol, you obviously didn't read what was posted there... because I use meta mostly just to judge skill ability.
Ah, my patience has paid off. Luona indicates that she would join the "wagon" of 1 vote on me, without even seeing a clear reason why. This would be sheeping / lazyness for someone who just made a big post just beforehand.
I'll be back in a few hours... I have a few things to say on other people but it can wait.
This entire posts oozes in towniness, this is a paranoid townie considering all angles of my claim and challenging me. Because yes, at the time i could have been a wolf playing a gambit betting on the Friendly Soldier to not exist, but his paranoia didnt allow him to think that if there was no rifleman, the sorceress or the real friendly could have CCed me and a back to back chop between me and the CC would guarantee a chop.
November 1st, 2022, 08:42 AM
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972135]This is a good post coming from you imo
Almost sounds like admitting to wolfing (see colored; typically its wolves who are self-conscious) but I really doubt you have the guts or skill for that so soon after coming to a different format
Towns can also do that in general, though I tend to find its rarer with experience.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Guillo;972138]Why it cant be a slip from a newbie Martin?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972151]Lumi is possibly more honorable with their responsibilities than I.
Which says a lot if you know how seriously I take my own hosting responsiblities when I host FM games.
I have no doubt that they'll be doing what they said they would be doing.[/QUOTE]
This is an attempt to pocket Ika’s coach by acknowledging Lumi’s honorability.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
This is a good post coming from you imo
Almost sounds like admitting to wolfing (see colored; typically its wolves who are self-conscious) but I really doubt you have the guts or skill for that so soon after coming to a different format
Towns can also do that in general, though I tend to find its rarer with experience.
Originally Posted by
Guillo
Why it cant be a slip from a newbie Martin?
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Lumi is possibly more honorable with their responsibilities than I.
Which says a lot if you know how seriously I take my own hosting responsiblities when I host FM games.
I have no doubt that they'll be doing what they said they would be doing.
This is an attempt to pocket Ika’s coach by acknowledging Lumi’s honorability.
November 1st, 2022, 08:20 AM
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972135]This is a good post coming from you imo
Almost sounds like admitting to wolfing (see colored; typically its wolves who are self-conscious) but I really doubt you have the guts or skill for that so soon after coming to a different format
Towns can also do that in general, though I tend to find its rarer with experience.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Guillo;972138]Why it cant be a slip from a newbie Martin?[/QUOTE]
This is Martin TMIng Ika town.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
This is a good post coming from you imo
Almost sounds like admitting to wolfing (see colored; typically its wolves who are self-conscious) but I really doubt you have the guts or skill for that so soon after coming to a different format
Towns can also do that in general, though I tend to find its rarer with experience.
Originally Posted by
Guillo
Why it cant be a slip from a newbie Martin?
This is Martin TMIng Ika town.
November 1st, 2022, 08:17 AM
In these series of posts Martin brings attention on Mizery as being a slot hard to solve.
Asks town how we should we proceed as if in this game we should do it any differently than any other game, by reading the player.
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972127]Anyone got thoughts or plans on how to solve Mizery?
I think their slot will be the most difficult for me to confidently solve here given past experience[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Guillo;972128]What's the past experience?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972134]basically only ever time I've voted them correctly it was a mix of sheeping + PoE
and the one time I've pushed them out of my own initiative it was a bad tvt situation that prob played a decent part in a loss (if memory serves correctly)
so I kinda have little to go off of and I find their playstyle in general difficult to discern[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Guillo;972136]I think Mizery is town just based on this post.
Mizery here is putting a target on their back, is inviting people to question them on that because the claim is utterly ridiculous and they must know it is NAI, so why make that as their entrance if not to expect push back?[/QUOTE]
What’s more interesting is that Martin never ever challenged my read on Mizery, he treated my resolve as good as a green check.
In these series of posts Martin brings attention on Mizery as being a slot hard to solve.
Asks town how we should we proceed as if in this game we should do it any differently than any other game, by reading the player.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Anyone got thoughts or plans on how to solve Mizery?
I think their slot will be the most difficult for me to confidently solve here given past experience
Originally Posted by
Guillo
What's the past experience?
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
basically only ever time I've voted them correctly it was a mix of sheeping + PoE
and the one time I've pushed them out of my own initiative it was a bad tvt situation that prob played a decent part in a loss (if memory serves correctly)
so I kinda have little to go off of and I find their playstyle in general difficult to discern
Originally Posted by
Guillo
I think Mizery is town just based on this post.
Mizery here is putting a target on their back, is inviting people to question them on that because the claim is utterly ridiculous and they must know it is NAI, so why make that as their entrance if not to expect push back?
What’s more interesting is that Martin never ever challenged my read on Mizery, he treated my resolve as good as a green check.
November 1st, 2022, 08:07 AM
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972126]Oli is posting differently that's for sure
he didn't seem to care about my vote on him nor Yap's vote on you (who Oli seems to hold in high regard)
its lean bad but not really confident in it atm
YapYap I have good initial impressions of for a d1 so far, though most of that is based on "I've seen town do this more often" rather than "I think X or Y thing they did is good in this game's context". I'm primarily trying to get a feel for their skill level though, as that tends to make a big difference in my reads. Not entirely sure how to go about it though for someone who is completely new to most of the players here.[/QUOTE]
This hedgey read on Oli is what i classify as a soft distance. Enough to look unpartnered but also enough not to push there to hard and make it impossible for himself to get out of that read.
In this same post he attempts to pocket Yayap.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Oli is posting differently that's for sure
he didn't seem to care about my vote on him nor Yap's vote on you (who Oli seems to hold in high regard)
its lean bad but not really confident in it atm
YapYap I have good initial impressions of for a d1 so far, though most of that is based on "I've seen town do this more often" rather than "I think X or Y thing they did is good in this game's context". I'm primarily trying to get a feel for their skill level though, as that tends to make a big difference in my reads. Not entirely sure how to go about it though for someone who is completely new to most of the players here.
This hedgey read on Oli is what i classify as a soft distance. Enough to look unpartnered but also enough not to push there to hard and make it impossible for himself to get out of that read.
In this same post he attempts to pocket Yayap.
November 1st, 2022, 07:58 AM
[B]Let me begin that i have been sectetly townreading Yayap since Oliverz144 spewed him town. I have been making town theater with Yayap to make scum believe i was confbias on Yayap and tunneled on him but in reality, i was hard suspecting Luona, Martin/Helz and Ika.
This was my way of protecting you Yayap.
This was going to be my original strategy with Stealthbomber16, distancing from him, making scum believe we couldnt possibly be Friendly Soldier partners and that i was so tunneled on SB that scum would think that our rivalry was perfect for a lylo situation. But then i thought about a situation where i got SB mislynched by accident or close to being mislynched snd i’d have to claim to save him snd he’d mislynch me because my progression on him didnt make sense or some shit like that, so i went gor the safe route and claimed to green check him.[/B]
Ika revealing being the priest gives me a lot of clarity in my thoughts, because ika being town adds up to the reasons why Stealthbomber was killed instead of me. Stealthbomber shielded the newbie while my pride and ego would hate the idea of losing to a newbie so without Stealth shielding him ika probably would have died at lylo and we would have lost the game.
Now in the following posts im gonna explain why Martin/Helz make total sense as the last partner.
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972052]Guillo loves their higher activity games huh
feels like the millionth time they've said a game is dead at some point this year
also it's
[noparse][unvote][/unvote][/noparse]
Trying to vote "unvote" is equivalent to trying to vote a player named "Unvote".[/QUOTE]
This post seeks to make us look like distancing by shading me NAI reasons but in a friendly wat that would look like a partner not trying to accidentally cast too much suspicion on me.
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;972054]I have the inclination to vote Ikar, but I don't like voting out new-ish players on day 1.
So time to find an alternative
[vote]Oliverz144[/vote][/QUOTE]
This read and progression didnt make sense for town!Martin, because town Martin votes for whoever they suspect is a wolf regardless of how it looks. This post makes sense for scum!Martin where he tries to make Ika look associated with him and the lack of progression to opportunistically vote for Olivers would distance them both.
[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;972056][vote]MartinGG99[/vote]
Feels like there’s some projection here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;972077]Mental recap:
• I town locked Guillo in first post because playing on this site for forever has taught me how to read people who post nothingburgers. Calling it a town lock was intentionally misleading and I wanted to see what would happen. Guillo backing off on the gimmick I think reflects poorly on him but it feels bad to scumread someone for not shitposting so I’m gonna let that slide. I will abstain from commenting on the friendly soldier claim until someone inevitably counterclaims him.
• Yayap applies reasonable shade on me for the above circumstances. If you scumread Guillo a scumread on me feels completely natural from there. This can probably be faked but I don’t think it is yet, because I have my eyes on…
• Martin is a player that I have a lot of experience with, between archoning with him and sharing a chat with him in the hypixel game. Something about his thoughts on page 1 make me feel like he’s massively overthinking this game, and since there was nothing to overthink yet, I believe that’s a scum tell. I know from personal experience Martin does not overthink things as town but even independently of meta this looks very bad.[/QUOTE]
I agree that Martin was projecting and overthinking the game at a time he wouldnt be as town.
[QUOTE=oliverz144;972098][VOTE]yayap[/VOTE]
I trust guillo with that.
MU 1st game he did that aswell and was true.
Im happy he will explain his magic this time[/QUOTE]
Now Oliverz144 here knows that Yayap is town and is trying to feed my ego to get me to push on Yayap further.
[QUOTE=oliverz144;972100]If we lynch yayap and he flips town guillo is scum[/QUOTE]
This lack of progression on me to create a dichotomy between Yayap and myself after townreading me is what outs him and spews Yayap town. Why is it not a distance? Because Oliverz is not a good wolf and he was seeking to pocket me while also trying to get me executed next day if we flip Yayap and he flipped town.
Oliverz knew Guillo vs Yayap was a tvt battle.
Let me begin that i have been sectetly townreading Yayap since Oliverz144 spewed him town. I have been making town theater with Yayap to make scum believe i was confbias on Yayap and tunneled on him but in reality, i was hard suspecting Luona, Martin/Helz and Ika.
This was my way of protecting you Yayap.
This was going to be my original strategy with Stealthbomber16, distancing from him, making scum believe we couldnt possibly be Friendly Soldier partners and that i was so tunneled on SB that scum would think that our rivalry was perfect for a lylo situation. But then i thought about a situation where i got SB mislynched by accident or close to being mislynched snd i’d have to claim to save him snd he’d mislynch me because my progression on him didnt make sense or some shit like that, so i went gor the safe route and claimed to green check him.
Ika revealing being the priest gives me a lot of clarity in my thoughts, because ika being town adds up to the reasons why Stealthbomber was killed instead of me. Stealthbomber shielded the newbie while my pride and ego would hate the idea of losing to a newbie so without Stealth shielding him ika probably would have died at lylo and we would have lost the game.
Now in the following posts im gonna explain why Martin/Helz make total sense as the last partner.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Guillo loves their higher activity games huh
feels like the millionth time they've said a game is dead at some point this year
also it's
[unvote][/unvote]
Trying to vote "unvote" is equivalent to trying to vote a player named "Unvote".
This post seeks to make us look like distancing by shading me NAI reasons but in a friendly wat that would look like a partner not trying to accidentally cast too much suspicion on me.
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
I have the inclination to vote Ikar, but I don't like voting out new-ish players on day 1.
So time to find an alternative
-vote Oliverz144
This read and progression didnt make sense for town!Martin, because town Martin votes for whoever they suspect is a wolf regardless of how it looks. This post makes sense for scum!Martin where he tries to make Ika look associated with him and the lack of progression to opportunistically vote for Olivers would distance them both.
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
-vote MartinGG99
Feels like there’s some projection here.
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Mental recap:
• I town locked Guillo in first post because playing on this site for forever has taught me how to read people who post nothingburgers. Calling it a town lock was intentionally misleading and I wanted to see what would happen. Guillo backing off on the gimmick I think reflects poorly on him but it feels bad to scumread someone for not shitposting so I’m gonna let that slide. I will abstain from commenting on the friendly soldier claim until someone inevitably counterclaims him.
• Yayap applies reasonable shade on me for the above circumstances. If you scumread Guillo a scumread on me feels completely natural from there. This can probably be faked but I don’t think it is yet, because I have my eyes on…
• Martin is a player that I have a lot of experience with, between archoning with him and sharing a chat with him in the hypixel game. Something about his thoughts on page 1 make me feel like he’s massively overthinking this game, and since there was nothing to overthink yet, I believe that’s a scum tell. I know from personal experience Martin does not overthink things as town but even independently of meta this looks very bad.
I agree that Martin was projecting and overthinking the game at a time he wouldnt be as town.
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
-vote yayap
I trust guillo with that.
MU 1st game he did that aswell and was true.
Im happy he will explain his magic this time
Now Oliverz144 here knows that Yayap is town and is trying to feed my ego to get me to push on Yayap further.
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
If we lynch yayap and he flips town guillo is scum
This lack of progression on me to create a dichotomy between Yayap and myself after townreading me is what outs him and spews Yayap town. Why is it not a distance? Because Oliverz is not a good wolf and he was seeking to pocket me while also trying to get me executed next day if we flip Yayap and he flipped town.
Oliverz knew Guillo vs Yayap was a tvt battle.
November 1st, 2022, 07:13 AM
[VOTE]Helz[/VOTE]
-vote Helz
November 1st, 2022, 06:48 AM
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;972532]I need to sleep as well unfortunately but I'll be reading through posts again in my bed. I did think Martin was a bit weird day 1 so it's not an out of place feeling. But Helz has been providing us with breakdowns of what's gonna happen with mechanical strategy so I am unsure. I now feel Mizery is town, although SB did push for Mizery to be lynched.[/QUOTE]
Any wolf can talk about mechanical stuff.
There are other reasons that make me believe is the last scum which i will present shortly.
Originally Posted by
ikarusdk
I need to sleep as well unfortunately but I'll be reading through posts again in my bed. I did think Martin was a bit weird day 1 so it's not an out of place feeling. But Helz has been providing us with breakdowns of what's gonna happen with mechanical strategy so I am unsure. I now feel Mizery is town, although SB did push for Mizery to be lynched.
Any wolf can talk about mechanical stuff.
There are other reasons that make me believe is the last scum which i will present shortly.
October 31st, 2022, 11:31 PM
Alright. I got back from work but im tired so i will go to sleep instead.
I sawbthe claim. Ika, since you are sure to die if we dont execute right today, let's work together.
Im thinking Helz is most likely scum now need to reread the game though before parking on him.
Alright. I got back from work but im tired so i will go to sleep instead.
I sawbthe claim. Ika, since you are sure to die if we dont execute right today, let's work together.
Im thinking Helz is most likely scum now need to reread the game though before parking on him.
October 31st, 2022, 04:50 PM
If not, then we got a clear and we execute who is most likely the last scum
If not, then we got a clear and we execute who is most likely the last scum