November 6th, 2020, 12:48 AM
[QUOTE=Frinckles;901381]HE HAS TO BE STOPPED
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STOP FUCKING WITH OUR ELECTION TRANSLYVANIANS[/QUOTE]
What Trump really thinks when he says that is that he must stop the Count of Beijing in a CK2 mod.
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
What Trump really thinks when he says that is that he must stop the Count of Beijing in a CK2 mod.
November 5th, 2020, 07:19 PM
[QUOTE=Helz;901338]I was more thinking of the "Vote for me and I will give you a free phone/pay off your student loans/give you free healthcare" stuff. I suppose I would respect it a bit more if there was some economic plan for it working past racking up debt on Daddys credit card like a 16 year old girl for passion projects the country can't afford.
Republicans are 'Less incompetent' at this but not good at all. I think its particularly bad in Congress. If a side wants to pass a bill they will go to those who can be swayed and trade for their vote writing in a 'sweetheart package' into the bill. I use to read a really funny yearly report on the most insane things purchased in this way but I forgot how to access it years ago. You would find shit on it like "316,000 dollars for puppets in a hospital." This is how congress buys their votes. They can then funnel money into their communities. If anyone knows that list I am talking about please throw me the link. It was a hilarious read and made for a great conversation piece.
Oh for sure. I think Obama was probably the greatest global leader we have ever had. People blame him for not being tough enough but its just because he was not public about his actions. I think he did something like 10 times as many drone strikes each year as any other president. I just feel that he saw his obligation to humanity as a species more than to America. I still don't quite understand if I feel thats a good or bad thing considering it was a greater good but at the expense of American tax payers. Good by Utilitarianism but otherwise unethical maybe?
I agree but I think Americas downfall will be an economic collapse and not a diplomatic one. Increasing spending at an increasing rate is not a sustainable economy and we only function well now because we have the strongest market on the globe. When that changes and we can't afford our military we will neither be an economic or militaristic super power. The rhetoric of 'Human suffering exists and we can solve it with money' just plays too strongly in America for us to make financially competent decisions.
I think he will be a sugnificant improvement as long as he doesn't screw with the supreme court. The erosion of the checks and balances in our government will never stop once that starts.
Something nobody has mentioned that I am REALLY interested in is regardless of the election whats going to happen when Trumps debt gets called in 2 years from now? I understand he owes like 400 million dollars or something that he does not have to foreign entities and I am very curious to see how that will play out if he is president or if he is not.[/QUOTE]
"Free phone" is buying votes, indeed. "Free healthcare" as in "national healthcare option" is not, it's what developed countries in the world have and the US does not... :p
I somewhat agree with you on the economic collapse; what I was saying is that the diplomatic one would cause the economic one, at least partially.
100 % agreed, nothing else to add.
He wouldn't dare using the nation's money to pay it... right? I mean, he technically [I]couldn't[/I] do that, unless the American system is really weird.
Originally Posted by
Helz
I was more thinking of the "Vote for me and I will give you a free phone/pay off your student loans/give you free healthcare" stuff. I suppose I would respect it a bit more if there was some economic plan for it working past racking up debt on Daddys credit card like a 16 year old girl for passion projects the country can't afford.
Republicans are 'Less incompetent' at this but not good at all. I think its particularly bad in Congress. If a side wants to pass a bill they will go to those who can be swayed and trade for their vote writing in a 'sweetheart package' into the bill. I use to read a really funny yearly report on the most insane things purchased in this way but I forgot how to access it years ago. You would find shit on it like "316,000 dollars for puppets in a hospital." This is how congress buys their votes. They can then funnel money into their communities. If anyone knows that list I am talking about please throw me the link. It was a hilarious read and made for a great conversation piece.
Oh for sure. I think Obama was probably the greatest global leader we have ever had. People blame him for not being tough enough but its just because he was not public about his actions. I think he did something like 10 times as many drone strikes each year as any other president. I just feel that he saw his obligation to humanity as a species more than to America. I still don't quite understand if I feel thats a good or bad thing considering it was a greater good but at the expense of American tax payers. Good by Utilitarianism but otherwise unethical maybe?
I agree but I think Americas downfall will be an economic collapse and not a diplomatic one. Increasing spending at an increasing rate is not a sustainable economy and we only function well now because we have the strongest market on the globe. When that changes and we can't afford our military we will neither be an economic or militaristic super power. The rhetoric of 'Human suffering exists and we can solve it with money' just plays too strongly in America for us to make financially competent decisions.
I think he will be a sugnificant improvement as long as he doesn't screw with the supreme court. The erosion of the checks and balances in our government will never stop once that starts.
Something nobody has mentioned that I am REALLY interested in is regardless of the election whats going to happen when Trumps debt gets called in 2 years from now? I understand he owes like 400 million dollars or something that he does not have to foreign entities and I am very curious to see how that will play out if he is president or if he is not.
"Free phone" is buying votes, indeed. "Free healthcare" as in "national healthcare option" is not, it's what developed countries in the world have and the US does not... 
I somewhat agree with you on the economic collapse; what I was saying is that the diplomatic one would cause the economic one, at least partially.
100 % agreed, nothing else to add.
He wouldn't dare using the nation's money to pay it... right? I mean, he technically couldn't do that, unless the American system is really weird.
November 5th, 2020, 12:47 AM
[QUOTE=Helz;901275]Yeah. Chanting about stolen votes and such mostly.
The one thing I can say I respect more in republicans over democrats is their protests seem to stay 'peaceful' in their protests; although this kind of false news shit is so much worse than democrats in origin. At least when democrats spread hatred they base it off something sorta factual like 'black man killed by police' while leaving out 'while assaulting police and attempting to steal their gun'. Zealots are toxic
I really think Biden has this and I won't miss Trump but I still don't know which is worse. Democratic economic policy aimed at buying votes or Republican preservation of the ruling class. Democrats are probably the best for the world as a global leader while Republicans are the best for protecting American interests and fighting that absurd idea that American taxpayers should bear the cost for all evil existing in the world.[/QUOTE]
General people don't benefit much from dropping taxes on the rich, though. Yes, such an argument can buy votes, but it also is right lol. Being minimally presidential also can buy votes, but it also happens to be good for the country (better for diplomacy and for the nation's stability, as well as for COVID protection). When something is good for both the country and the party, it'd be crazy not to do it. That's what Biden is doing.
As for "protecting American interests", Trump's protectionism was nice for America on the short-term, indeed; but as you correctly highlighted, Democrats are probably best for global leadership. The thing is, if America loses its superpower status (and by this, I mean its supreme influence over the Western world), it will eventually lead to the fall of America itself. I'm gonna look like a brainwashed cold war guy here, but China [I]will[/I] take over what the US leave behind them, which threatens democracy, first of all, but which also happens to screw America's economy by reducing its ability to make deals in other countries. Of course, pure isolationism is [I]possible[/I] for some time, but other powers (such as China) would eventually take America's place and cause "the American way of life" to stop being possible.
Now, I'm not saying Biden will be the greatest president ever. He does look rather weak and old, independently from Trump's attacks :(
Originally Posted by
Helz
Yeah. Chanting about stolen votes and such mostly.
The one thing I can say I respect more in republicans over democrats is their protests seem to stay 'peaceful' in their protests; although this kind of false news shit is so much worse than democrats in origin. At least when democrats spread hatred they base it off something sorta factual like 'black man killed by police' while leaving out 'while assaulting police and attempting to steal their gun'. Zealots are toxic
I really think Biden has this and I won't miss Trump but I still don't know which is worse. Democratic economic policy aimed at buying votes or Republican preservation of the ruling class. Democrats are probably the best for the world as a global leader while Republicans are the best for protecting American interests and fighting that absurd idea that American taxpayers should bear the cost for all evil existing in the world.
General people don't benefit much from dropping taxes on the rich, though. Yes, such an argument can buy votes, but it also is right lol. Being minimally presidential also can buy votes, but it also happens to be good for the country (better for diplomacy and for the nation's stability, as well as for COVID protection). When something is good for both the country and the party, it'd be crazy not to do it. That's what Biden is doing.
As for "protecting American interests", Trump's protectionism was nice for America on the short-term, indeed; but as you correctly highlighted, Democrats are probably best for global leadership. The thing is, if America loses its superpower status (and by this, I mean its supreme influence over the Western world), it will eventually lead to the fall of America itself. I'm gonna look like a brainwashed cold war guy here, but China will take over what the US leave behind them, which threatens democracy, first of all, but which also happens to screw America's economy by reducing its ability to make deals in other countries. Of course, pure isolationism is possible for some time, but other powers (such as China) would eventually take America's place and cause "the American way of life" to stop being possible.
Now, I'm not saying Biden will be the greatest president ever. He does look rather weak and old, independently from Trump's attacks 
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