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    Anyway, I need to go now.

    I wish I could leave this thread saying „trust“ and leave you with this


    but currently I think the vibe is more like this



    Big trust, I believe in you guys anyway. Go big or go home. Peace out
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Autumn View Post
    bc that explanation about how it's improbable?
    how about the part where I call it close to impossible? It’s just my way of saying „lol funny but no“, how is that in any way AI? And don’t say you didn’t say that, calling it weird certainly implies something
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    I just had to laugh because it’s a silly claim that was meant in a silly way. But feel free to put into words why you consider it a weird reaction instead of just calling it that. I’d love to hear it
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Autumn View Post
    that's kinda weird reaction tbh
    Bruh everything I say today is a weird reaction to you
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    Imma say it

    It's Plat as 3p lol
    lol

    That’d be hilarious if not for the fact that it’s improbable or close to impossible
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    I might be able to check back in an hour or so but that’ll be for the last time for this day. Can’t be around close to EoD.

    Let me say this: going into this day I still was fine with just hoping it’s you, Autumn, and offering myself up to be lynched. I wasn’t very confident after Hippo flipped town cause I really thought it’d be him, but we drew up the plan so I stuck to it. Between Lassie, P2 and Lipstick I wouldn’t even know who the last wolf could be.

    The only reason I’m even as involved as I am (these posts I made this day phase are a lot more than I did these other days) is due to the fact that P2 decided to reveal himself to me and therefore to everyone else as well. This dramatically increases the chance of us winning just because now I know that it’s P2.

    The only problem is that the default outcome was already decided before the end of last day: lynching me. So straying off course is obviously very hard to do. But ask yourselves this: do you honestly believe I’ll flip wolf? Does this still feel like the most straightforward explanation after today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Autumn View Post
    why didn't you claim your armor until today btw?
    Wasn’t really relevant esp once the role flipped it became public knowledge. What would it have changed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Autumn View Post
    why did you not seem to really have much of a reaction to p2's claimed check on you? like if you're town in that situation, i'd kinda expect you have like. more interest to actually fight when you suddenly get told who's the last wolf and know that its someone who's not been about to die?
    Idk what world you live in where my immediate vote constitutes no reaction. For how I’ve been over this whole game, this is as much of a reaction as you could hope for.

    I don’t think there’s actually anything I could personally say that would have convinced anyone here today. Tell me what those magic words would be? Try and see it from my POV. P2 hasn’t really been SR in a few days and now he offers up information that conveniently fits together with the narrative. There’s not much to say here.

    What’s funny is that with some of the ISOs, Lipstick for example would rather believe that w v w hard pushes are way more unlikely than me being a stumbling, bumbling wolf even though it’s evident the last wolf has to be someone who’s involved in the game and was able to survive several rounds of lynches and shots? Aiming for those towncore spots by having big wolf v wolf arguments is the bread and butter of Mafia.

    Is it really that likely that I’d survive this far as the last wolf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo View Post
    P2 wolf doesn't make sense
    This will age badly lmao
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    I mean we knew the posts overall would be in P2‘s favour, no? There’s a reason we put P2 in the town core and not me lmao
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    I mean obviously that is all I'll say. It's the one thing that happened that really wasn't expected for today. As well as P2 revealing themselves to me by claiming their false result.

    If you land on the default plan of lynching me then whatever, but I didn't head into this day with any agenda. We only arrived here with people looking over ISOs again because of these inconsistencies. And thus this is the last chance to right the course. But as I keep saying, I'm not gonna change up how I've played so far right now 'cause that's not me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo View Post
    All of these wolfes were powerwolfing pretty hard (except choo choo which was kinda but not really powerwolfing)

    There's actually no fucking shot that they piled on P2 (a wolf) like this
    And you don't think Yellow Snow's frustration feels like it's overacted?
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    Also I'd like to remark again that if P2 were town then there surely wouldn't be any inconsistencies in Lassie's message and P2's claim. This is the one big thing IMO that acts as a clue for the rest of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Autumn View Post
    my math says you got shot at five times

    (and plat six)

    (seriously why couldnt those shots just kill you both lol)
    In my case it probably helped that I had a Level 2 Armor from the blessed tree gift thingy. As far as the wording goes I think that was still active and wasn't just active during the day that I chose to use my level 5 ITA
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    Lynching me is definitely the path of least resistance. I mean heck, even I was fine with it until P2 decided to come out and reveal himself to me. Otherwise I would’ve just stuck to praying it’s Autumn.

    Now it’s a question of the ultimate trust play
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    Me signing up thinking surely this will be a quick game for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Autumn View Post
    (i honestly was kinda expecting wolves to holster last night lol. kinda bc with the poison we'd still have to elim today. and. having more ppl alive would make it harder to actually hit the last wolf. but i'm like. apparently whoever's wolf didn't think about that and i'm kinda glad abt it bc i was tinfoiling lassie lol)
    I was actually thinking the same. They could've gone into the night with just Lass/P2/Lip and had a free kill I think. It works with the push to eliminate me though. If you're P2 and had to evaluate if his word will be trusted or mine, surely there's just one scenario to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    Actually
    I am the last wolf who holstered
    And I have the ability of making a false red to any investigation
    That I hold onto right until this moment
    And the only thing Lassie said in their message was
    peepeepoopoo
    topkek
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    Why does your posts sound so wolfy right now lol
    idk, bias? lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo View Post
    Counterpoint tho:

    We had agreed from yesterday that platypus was going to die today

    P2 knew i was tunnelled on autumn, and after I was announced treestump, they could have just sat back and let me push autumn/platy since thats who I wanted to kill yesterday

    Why come out swinging into a thunderdome now? Seems risky for no reason

    idk
    That's what I'm saying. It is unnecessary risk because it's what we would've done anyway if nothing interesting had happened. But it makes sense from a wolf POV to seal the deal imo. It's something they could claim and kind of in line with their role. But the Lassie message inconsistency is what makes this shaky
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    I wonder why in a world where P2 is town it's somehow hard to match up Lassie's message with what P2 is claiming what happened. I don't think it should be this way and Lassie is not the guy to mix up meanings or words of mechanics I don't think.
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    Guess there's no way to try and make a case mechanically then if it was N4.

    Honestly the only thing I could make a case for is the way I used my night action. I'd have to really been going for the image of uncoordinated wolf right from the start with the people I targeted. Poisoning Goldfish for example when I did is IMO not wolfy. And if it my poison were another wolf KPN then I probably would never have claimed and put it to better use.



    In a way it's surely the right play to make for wolf!P2 by locking in the push on me to seal the deal. But by doing so they put themselves in the spotlight. This is the only chance we got to win this thing because if he had not done that I would have struggled to close out the day any other way than by lynching me I guess.
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    I don't think P2 played this super accurately by claiming 2x killing action by me.

    Does anyone remember when P2 claimed to track me and saw no actions? Which other wolves were alive at that point? Does anyone have the list of claimed mechs at hand?
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    Honestly I don't think I can write lots of posts or quote things I said that make me look towny and try to look for posts P2 made that were scummy or even unravel the claimed mechanics so far to convince you that P2 is not mech cleared or whatever.

    The way P2 has decided to play this out means it's 100% between him and me. Those chances are better than I would have thought tbh.

    The only thing to do now is for you guys to decide if my play so far has been indicative of wolf play or not.
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    -vote FM-Player 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Player 2 View Post
    My investigate went through, Killing Action x2 from Platypus

    -vote FM-Platypus
    Well, atleast now I know that it's you lmao

    Only question is how do I convince everyone else that this is the win? Help me chat
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    Aaalright. So I somehow don't feel confident that we will win with Autumn dying (and lynching me today), but we have committed to the plan so I guess now we just see it through?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Autumn View Post
    you actually need to poison hippo tonight. really.

    and i just hope thats wolf who dies to it, or then ppl can figure out who's the actual wolf tomorrow
    Problem is poison will resolve at EoD so it will still be thrilling
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo View Post
    Proper capitalization is needed
    I don’t think so
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    -vote FM-Tiny Hippo


    Idk I feel like it’s then more than autumn
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Autumn View Post
    (your posts rn are scaring me)

    (but the issue is that its kinda similar way like chibi's posts yesterday were lol. like in the sense of you just insisting that its optimal to leave you alive instead of actually doing anything to help)
    I mean it always kind of has to be. I’m the only one that knows I’m not the right target. But in this case it’s also getting real hard for everyone else because I know I’m the LHF and it won’t resolve shit
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    If we go with the initial proposal we just need to pray we are right about the town core assumption. Getting rid of me has you all debating for another day most likely lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    Inb4 Lassie/P2 wins the game wowee
    Honestly that’s what you need to really think about if you lynch me today though. It’ll just be a lot harder to take an easier way out then
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    My glory disappeared right after D3

    My play hasn't been that great after that

    Being town is not a one player show anyway
    Honestly you got pretty close to a one man show though. I’ll probably always remember your shot
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    Nah

    I'd be good with that cause you haven't really helped all that much making it very obvious
    lol if it helps you sleep at night. I honestly just wanna see you win it out and be voted MVP for your efforts and part of that is sticking to your early read of me. It’s the whole glory package
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    Also there's the fact that both Hippo and Autumn slot has so incredibly much more going for them than Plat slot has
    But you’ll hate yourself even more if you decide to Lynch me tonight and I flip town. Because you knew it wasn’t the right play
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo View Post
    true

    doesn't mean they aren't trying.

    I don't like their play today

    and this dicussion isin't relevant anyways if you just agree to murder both of us
    True, I’m fine with that. Just hoping our assumption is true and that this is the right solve
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    Bros it’d hella suck if any of P2/Lassie/Lipstick were among the people we need to eliminate to win. But ultimately there is no one here who think that’s likely, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo View Post
    counterpoint: if autumn is a wolf, they have been laying basically optimally if you think of their objective as being in the "don't kill" side of the mass murder plan they suggested. And that plan involves

    a)keeping you

    b)keeping you as averse to poisoning them as possible
    That’d require them to be in the town core that directs my poison which in this case they aren’t
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    So if we lynch either Hippo or Autumn I should poison the other tonight, is that locked in, consensus, yay or nay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Tiny Hippo View Post
    i hate the logic in the start of this post but as long as the three of us end up dead i do not care
    I don’t see it. The way I judge things, if people decide to defend me from dying today then they chose to go the tough road but are seemingly doing so because they believe it’s the right way. And autumn has previously wanted to see me dead quite vocally. I mean I still will die but I think this is the slight thing that is making me unsure if we should vote up you or Autumn today. In the end I don’t really mind either way and will defer to the town core
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    I’ll give Autumn credit for not just pushing for me as the lynch target so I wouldn’t mind voting up Hippo. But the fact that there are various levels of mech clears going around is really making this difficult
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    Holy shit

    Is Autumn actually wolf

    Or is this whole game just the worst thing that has ever happened to me
    I mean if we both agree that P2 and Lassie are cleared and I just can’t see you as wolf then what else is there? Idc if we lynch Autumn or Hippo and I poison the other but it’s probably where I feel the last wolf should be (assuming it’s just one left)
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    Like I’m fine if y’all decide to kill me because the distrust just can’t be eliminated compared to the others, I’d just be glad to not die today though because I know it’s not going to help anybody else here solve the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Lipstick View Post
    If there is 2 wolves, I think it's Autumn and Plat
    Like that would be wild

    But Autumn wolf alone is also wild
    Hippo wolf alone is also wild

    What about
    @FM-Autumn Will you ever accept we kill you and @FM-Platypus poisons Hippo and if they don't poison Hippo we definitely kill Plat always always always (and then we also kill Plat but don't tell them that)

    Or are you going to be like weh Lip could be wolf
    That’d be in line with what I’m thinking
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    Hot damn nearly forgot day ends soon. Is it in 1h?
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    Not even sure we can solve this endgame with ISOs. We probably just need to agree on which targets, no matter how unlikely but still possible, we want to get rid of and then pray
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    If I could choose two people to never die it’d be Lipstick and P2 (somehow I trust you a lot right now).

    If I really had to say where I think I’d expect a wolf flip it’d either be Hippo or Autumn. Lassie I keep flip-flopping on but I don’t really know, it is kind of LHF compared to everyone else.

    And it’s not like I SR Hippo or Autumn but with Hippo I have a weird gutfeeling from the early game and with Autumn I feel like they were able to slot into a position with town-sided posts but it feels like the position a wolf could easily slot into.
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    Honestly optimal play for me would have been to keep poisoning I think since if I were wolf I’d know most targets we voted were town
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    Quote Originally Posted by FM-Player 2 View Post
    I feel like right now Lassie may be my top TR due to mech. Like to use the doc on me and no kill go off is some absurd level of WIFOM I dont think could comprehend it.

    Autumn just harped on Choo for so many days, and then the red check, like its just a wild unnecessary play when there are RBs/investigates still in the game its giving no wiggle room.

    Lipstick pushed and shot a LOT of wolves, like I think mech aside theyve got the most going for them in terms of pelts and pushes

    Hippo was straight up one of my earliest TRs and had a strong early game, the only thing that can cause doubt is the fact theyre still alive

    Plat just kinda has the least going for them, Plat where have you used your poisons real and fake this game?
    N1 fake poison Snuggles because I wanted to see their reaction, their D2 behaviour made me give them town cred
    N2 real poison Goldfish Bowl because he was on some shot list I think or someone SL them and I did as well. To their poor fortune, their D3 behaviour also made me give them town cred so it’s too bad they had to die at the end.
    N3 was fake again on Chibi due to me finding them sus but some mech interaction made them towny on D4
    N4 was too late but I wanted to poison Catnip lol
    N5 blocked and since then I holstered due to consensus
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