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[QUOTE=Banshis;399645]Not for me. I was pretty sure you were Katara after ur refusal to believe Due's roleblock claim. That is why I kept blocking you.[/QUOTE]

Ahh. I'm surprised you didn't kill me. I suppose I should have been much more subtle.

Originally Posted by Banshis

Not for me. I was pretty sure you were Katara after ur refusal to believe Due's roleblock claim. That is why I kept blocking you.

Ahh. I'm surprised you didn't kill me. I suppose I should have been much more subtle.

[QUOTE=Lion Turtle;395553]I know ^.^ I tried to be. When I learned I was the WT Cit, I had a really bad sneaking suspicion that Host made me Tui cause I've always survived to the late-game in every FM I've played in so far.

:P I remember, and I shall.



Lol XD[/QUOTE]


Sorry I kinda screwed you out of the jailor protection. I was kinda setting myself up for a cult win there and half thought my moves would get the consort off me by that point. Might have been a poor move on my part but I also thought there was quite a bit more cult. Jet had almost as bad luck as the avatar did this game.

Originally Posted by Lion Turtle

I know I tried to be. When I learned I was the WT Cit, I had a really bad sneaking suspicion that Host made me Tui cause I've always survived to the late-game in every FM I've played in so far.

:P I remember, and I shall.



Lol XD

Sorry I kinda screwed you out of the jailor protection. I was kinda setting myself up for a cult win there and half thought my moves would get the consort off me by that point. Might have been a poor move on my part but I also thought there was quite a bit more cult. Jet had almost as bad luck as the avatar did this game.

[QUOTE=Yangchen;395493]I am very sad I didn't get recruited. I am very sad that the revealed citizens from day two never got converted.[/QUOTE]

Your early hammers had me laughing pretty hard

Originally Posted by Yangchen

I am very sad I didn't get recruited. I am very sad that the revealed citizens from day two never got converted.

Your early hammers had me laughing pretty hard

[QUOTE=Hama;395492]I thought you played really well early game when you had access to your computer, but your contributions (understandably) dropped off when you could only post via your phone. But if your early game is indicative of your standard, then I was impressed.[/QUOTE]

Honestly this was my third FM game ever. I have quite a bit of learning to do. D1 I probably did more com hunting than anything else until I found bunny and got the vibe that com hunting was bm. D2 I posted my night feedback before I read through the forum and claiming encouraged did very little to help shake the tpr trail from me. Also one of the days I almost lost all the fingers on my left hand so I got drunk with the crew to celebrate and somehow thought it was a good idea to participate. I won't do that again.

Honestly I dont think I will sign for another unless I know I won't get called in. After I lost access to the computer I worked 100 hours in the next 7 days. It was pretty rough keeping up with the posts and I was doing all my hunting from memory. That got pretty frustrating.
All in all this was crazy fun. I definitely want to do it again. I think the bunny mod kill saved us. The way she was playing I would've been fooled the rest of the game.

Originally Posted by Hama

I thought you played really well early game when you had access to your computer, but your contributions (understandably) dropped off when you could only post via your phone. But if your early game is indicative of your standard, then I was impressed.

Honestly this was my third FM game ever. I have quite a bit of learning to do. D1 I probably did more com hunting than anything else until I found bunny and got the vibe that com hunting was bm. D2 I posted my night feedback before I read through the forum and claiming encouraged did very little to help shake the tpr trail from me. Also one of the days I almost lost all the fingers on my left hand so I got drunk with the crew to celebrate and somehow thought it was a good idea to participate. I won't do that again.

Honestly I dont think I will sign for another unless I know I won't get called in. After I lost access to the computer I worked 100 hours in the next 7 days. It was pretty rough keeping up with the posts and I was doing all my hunting from memory. That got pretty frustrating.
All in all this was crazy fun. I definitely want to do it again. I think the bunny mod kill saved us. The way she was playing I would've been fooled the rest of the game.

[QUOTE=Wan Shi Tong;395401]You know what I was wondering? If Kuruk accidentally got KW#3 killed because due to Kuruk's wording in his roleclaim it seemed to Hama for example that Kuruk said that he false claimed to have been encouraged and I thought maybe KW#3 changed her fake N1 target according to that.. LOL

Even if not, hey, fun times.[/QUOTE]

My wording there was intentional. I waited until after pathic made his move because I wanted to see what he would do. As soon as the tpr was counter claimed I knew who the real one was. We needed some reads to go off of.

On a side note I feel like I blundered a few times this game. This game was a great learning experience. It was fun as hell. I would really appreciate any feedback on my playing. Dont be afraid to tell me where I fucked up~

Originally Posted by Wan Shi Tong

You know what I was wondering? If Kuruk accidentally got KW#3 killed because due to Kuruk's wording in his roleclaim it seemed to Hama for example that Kuruk said that he false claimed to have been encouraged and I thought maybe KW#3 changed her fake N1 target according to that.. LOL

Even if not, hey, fun times.

My wording there was intentional. I waited until after pathic made his move because I wanted to see what he would do. As soon as the tpr was counter claimed I knew who the real one was. We needed some reads to go off of.

On a side note I feel like I blundered a few times this game. This game was a great learning experience. It was fun as hell. I would really appreciate any feedback on my playing. Dont be afraid to tell me where I fucked up~

I think things are starting to come together for us today. Hana, due and yangchen are pretty suspect for mafia.
Sangok and Huu still have my cult pegg


Also note that if the cult is developed enough the former town players will never be town again. So If KW3 flips Jet then keep that in mind. I am hoping he will flip mafia as that it will help us find the rest of the mafia in good time. Thanks to KW3s slip things are really starting to look better for us.

I think things are starting to come together for us today. Hana, due and yangchen are pretty suspect for mafia.
Sangok and Huu still have my cult pegg


Also note that if the cult is developed enough the former town players will never be town again. So If KW3 flips Jet then keep that in mind. I am hoping he will flip mafia as that it will help us find the rest of the mafia in good time. Thanks to KW3s slip things are really starting to look better for us.

[vote]Kyoshi Warrior #3[/vote]

Kyoshi has a pretty decent defence but there is a problem here. I really was encouraged n1. Kyoshis claims are all on dead players that can't verify his role. Wan shi tong claims to have target due n1 which is in line with my night feedback. Do not vote Wan Shi Tong. He is our real town power role here. We need to lynch KW3 and hunt through those on the wan shi tong train for the rest of the mafia.

I am 100% certain that KW3 is lying here. Get off of Wan Shi Tong. He borderline claimed TPR yesterday and KW3s bread crumb trail shows he was role fishing. Not that he is town.

-vote Kyoshi Warrior #3

Kyoshi has a pretty decent defence but there is a problem here. I really was encouraged n1. Kyoshis claims are all on dead players that can't verify his role. Wan shi tong claims to have target due n1 which is in line with my night feedback. Do not vote Wan Shi Tong. He is our real town power role here. We need to lynch KW3 and hunt through those on the wan shi tong train for the rest of the mafia.

I am 100% certain that KW3 is lying here. Get off of Wan Shi Tong. He borderline claimed TPR yesterday and KW3s bread crumb trail shows he was role fishing. Not that he is town.

Anyways I was indeed encouraged N1.

Anyways I was indeed encouraged N1.

[QUOTE=Wei Jin;393149]We have a jailor. Lynch one and Zuko can jail the other. If one flips scum then he protects the real Sokka for a night. If Sokka flips then Zuko can execute the scum.[/QUOTE]

This is a good fall back plan if we can't make a decision but I really want 2 dead mafia today.

Originally Posted by Wei Jin

We have a jailor. Lynch one and Zuko can jail the other. If one flips scum then he protects the real Sokka for a night. If Sokka flips then Zuko can execute the scum.

This is a good fall back plan if we can't make a decision but I really want 2 dead mafia today.

[QUOTE=Wan Shi Tong;393145]But we did.. I somehw feel like something is off about you today, tired or something? lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I was hardly awake working through a 16 hour shift and trying to multi task last night..

Originally Posted by Wan Shi Tong

But we did.. I somehw feel like something is off about you today, tired or something? lol

Yeah. I was hardly awake working through a 16 hour shift and trying to multi task last night..

[QUOTE=Due;393140]KW3 and Kuruk's fight is based on bad evidence, but I feel it's town v town.

Let's concentrate our energies on finding the last two scum.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good. But one of them should die as our first lynch. I think it will work itself out when they have to give players to back themselves up.

Originally Posted by Due

KW3 and Kuruk's fight is based on bad evidence, but I feel it's town v town.

Let's concentrate our energies on finding the last two scum.

Sounds good. But one of them should die as our first lynch. I think it will work itself out when they have to give players to back themselves up.

I dont get why neither of you will just claim in the format I posted when this could confirm you..

I dont get why neither of you will just claim in the format I posted when this could confirm you..

[QUOTE=Kyoshi Warrior #3;393135]Part of my argument is in my most recent post. Please read that and tell me what you think about it.

You not voting Wan Shi Tong makes me think that you are not actually Katara and are newbie scum who doesn't want to vote a scum partner.[/QUOTE]

Lol. I'm a dead man and could give a shit what you think. If you encouraged players n2 and n3 this should be easy to prove. So either do it or convince someone to lie for you. I like the second option as that it helps me find scum but either way lies have a way of catching up to you. Not that this should matter if you are telling the truth. Very foolish move for one of you either way.

Originally Posted by Kyoshi Warrior #3

Part of my argument is in my most recent post. Please read that and tell me what you think about it.

You not voting Wan Shi Tong makes me think that you are not actually Katara and are newbie scum who doesn't want to vote a scum partner.

Lol. I'm a dead man and could give a shit what you think. If you encouraged players n2 and n3 this should be easy to prove. So either do it or convince someone to lie for you. I like the second option as that it helps me find scum but either way lies have a way of catching up to you. Not that this should matter if you are telling the truth. Very foolish move for one of you either way.

[QUOTE=Jin Wei;393128]Right well, I'm going to jail someone else, so if town would decide which of you two to lynch, that'd be awesome.[/QUOTE]

Dont bother with them. The real one will be real obvious In the end because o
nobody claimed encouraged. Let them sort out their storylines and we can go from there.

Originally Posted by Jin Wei

Right well, I'm going to jail someone else, so if town would decide which of you two to lynch, that'd be awesome.

Dont bother with them. The real one will be real obvious In the end because o
nobody claimed encouraged. Let them sort out their storylines and we can go from there.

[QUOTE=Kyoshi Warrior #3;393108]Do you need me to go back through every single one of my posts and explain how they all make sense from a Sokka Point of View? I am really interested.[/QUOTE]

Yes. You are a counter claimed power role. This is a very rare event especially in our game. I expect you to give an infallible line of logic against the player calling you scum given that one of you is without a doubt fire nation. I dont care for a play by play but I REALLY care about your argument here.

Originally Posted by Kyoshi Warrior #3

Do you need me to go back through every single one of my posts and explain how they all make sense from a Sokka Point of View? I am really interested.

Yes. You are a counter claimed power role. This is a very rare event especially in our game. I expect you to give an infallible line of logic against the player calling you scum given that one of you is without a doubt fire nation. I dont care for a play by play but I REALLY care about your argument here.

[QUOTE=Yangchen;393116]BTW Hama Fake voted Wan Shi Tong from waht I saw[/QUOTE]

Post #?

Originally Posted by Yangchen

BTW Hama Fake voted Wan Shi Tong from waht I saw

Post #?

I want both of you to post your targets In this format: N1 (exact player name) N2 (exact player name) N3 (exact player name).
Refusal to do this is grounds for a lynch or exe.

I want both of you to post your targets In this format: N1 (exact player name) N2 (exact player name) N3 (exact player name).
Refusal to do this is grounds for a lynch or exe.

[QUOTE=Hama;393110]Lol.

Didn't Kuruk already say he faked the encouraged claim on n1?[/QUOTE]

No. I never said anything of the sort. Let them work out their storylines and we can come in later with quotes and logic to prove re real player. This is our easy scum kill. We need to focus on who is left.

Originally Posted by Hama

Lol.

Didn't Kuruk already say he faked the encouraged claim on n1?

No. I never said anything of the sort. Let them work out their storylines and we can come in later with quotes and logic to prove re real player. This is our easy scum kill. We need to focus on who is left.

[QUOTE=Due;393104][QUOTE=Due;393051]I don't know?

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Confirmed Not Mafia
[/COLOR]
Due - Town
Jin Wei - Zuko
Kuruk - Katara
Kyoshi Warrior #3 - Sokka

[COLOR="#008000"]Unlikely to be Mafia based on unaligned pairs[/COLOR]
Huu
Sangok
Yangchen
Hama

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Remaining players left[/COLOR]
Koh
Pathik
Wei Jin
Wan Shi Tong

Most sure about Wei Jin and WST being mafia (Wei Jin because opportunistic vote on KW3, plus low # of interactions with Gyatso)

Not sure about Pathik or Koh. Need to reread.

Should we eliminate the mafia first, or pare down cult and mafia simultaneously?[/QUOTE]

This is the one and only day we should ignore the cult. We need 2 mafia kills for a chance of town / cult win. We need to take heavy notes on suspected cult players but we need the mafia to take a big hit for us to have a shot at all

[QUOTE=Due;393104]

Originally Posted by Due

I don't know?

Confirmed Not Mafia

Due - Town
Jin Wei - Zuko
Kuruk - Katara
Kyoshi Warrior #3 - Sokka

Unlikely to be Mafia based on unaligned pairs
Huu
Sangok
Yangchen
Hama

Remaining players left
Koh
Pathik
Wei Jin
Wan Shi Tong

Most sure about Wei Jin and WST being mafia (Wei Jin because opportunistic vote on KW3, plus low # of interactions with Gyatso)

Not sure about Pathik or Koh. Need to reread.

Should we eliminate the mafia first, or pare down cult and mafia simultaneously?

This is the one and only day we should ignore the cult. We need 2 mafia kills for a chance of town / cult win. We need to take heavy notes on suspected cult players but we need the mafia to take a big hit for us to have a shot at all

[QUOTE=Jin Wei;393095]Alright well, Wan Shi Tong claimed Sokka. I suggest lynching him, freeing me to jail someone else. I'm HOPING we manage to stop the consort. If Katara can keep me alive one more night we might at the very least be able to shut down the mafia. It'll take a perfect alignment of night actions for us to win this thing though.[/QUOTE]

This was exactly the ace I mentioned earlier. I want to hear his defense before we vote on it as that one wrong move = a loss. A heavy breakdown on the two players claiming this role could very well determine the game.

Originally Posted by Jin Wei

Alright well, Wan Shi Tong claimed Sokka. I suggest lynching him, freeing me to jail someone else. I'm HOPING we manage to stop the consort. If Katara can keep me alive one more night we might at the very least be able to shut down the mafia. It'll take a perfect alignment of night actions for us to win this thing though.

This was exactly the ace I mentioned earlier. I want to hear his defense before we vote on it as that one wrong move = a loss. A heavy breakdown on the two players claiming this role could very well determine the game.

[QUOTE=Yangchen;393090]I'm smellerbee dumbas[/QUOTE]

This takes care of the whole cult issue in one post. Very well played.

Originally Posted by Yangchen

I'm smellerbee dumbas

This takes care of the whole cult issue in one post. Very well played.

Sounds like we have a core of 3 players we can say are not mafia. I propose we use our league of confirmation to sort through the information at hand. To be honest it makes sense for the mafia to kill the jailor first. I have a ton of respect for his sacrifice to start this movement with his reveal.

To win this fight we need participation. Regardless of your skill level your actions will show through so you have nothing to fear if you are town. Give your reads on the living players with reason on your mafia leads especially.

Sounds like we have a core of 3 players we can say are not mafia. I propose we use our league of confirmation to sort through the information at hand. To be honest it makes sense for the mafia to kill the jailor first. I have a ton of respect for his sacrifice to start this movement with his reveal.

To win this fight we need participation. Regardless of your skill level your actions will show through so you have nothing to fear if you are town. Give your reads on the living players with reason on your mafia leads especially.

[QUOTE=Sangok;393069]Something else might've happened in the Town's stupid mislynches without considering that people are stupid sometimes (or new)[/QUOTE]

This right here.. This is a one of those points of logic I have been waiting to hear that makes me wonder why other players wouldn't point it out. There has been a good bit of this game and it could be the towns trail to the mafia.

Originally Posted by Sangok

Something else might've happened in the Town's stupid mislynches without considering that people are stupid sometimes (or new)

This right here.. This is a one of those points of logic I have been waiting to hear that makes me wonder why other players wouldn't point it out. There has been a good bit of this game and it could be the towns trail to the mafia.

[QUOTE=Wei Jin;393070]
Also I don't really get why Kuruk was pressured like he was. He has claimed roleblocked for 3 days straight so how could he be FN unless he was trying to play a stupid gambit.[/QUOTE]

More on this later.. : )

Originally Posted by Wei Jin

Also I don't really get why Kuruk was pressured like he was. He has claimed roleblocked for 3 days straight so how could he be FN unless he was trying to play a stupid gambit.

More on this later.. : )

[QUOTE=Sangok;393067]So while Wei Jin reads the day posts, we need to figure out who's Jet and who he's recruited these past nights. Pathik is a possible suspect, but we still need to find out who was culted. If the culted guys are on the possible lynch/execution list, this will be a bit easier. As long as Zuko does his job with the jail and the execution tonight, and what happens this night, the next day will support the evidence in the suspect list. To my opinion, Kyoshi Warrior #3 has changed a lot from Day 1. Unless she becomes more active and comes back to explain herself, she will be marked. Pathik has stayed constant all this time, but there's no other way of telling what he might do since he is a viable suspect. I'm not really sure about Due being Iroh since he packed up alot from his previous cat related pictographs and started some serious discussion after the deaths of all the Citizens. He makes very contributing posts by analysis and I'm pretty sure a neutral wouldn't be posting like that. My guess would be that Yangchen is Iroh. I'll have to read the setup again to get back to this, but for now here's the role list.

[s][COLOR="#FF0000"]Admiral Zhao[/COLOR][/s] - [B]Monk Gyatso[/B]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia[/COLOR] - [B]Wan Shi Tong[/B]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia[/COLOR] - [B]Koh[/B]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Mafia[/COLOR] - [B]Kyoshi Warrior 3[/B]

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Zuko[/COLOR] - [B]Jin Wei[/B]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Uncle Iroh[/COLOR] - [B]Yangchen[/B]

- Team Avatar -
[s][COLOR="#00FF00"]Aang[/COLOR][/s] - [B]La[/B]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Katara[/COLOR] - [B]Kuruk[/B]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Sokka[/COLOR] - [B]Wei Jin[/B] / [B]Hama[/B] / [B]Due[/B]
[s][COLOR="#00FF00"]Appa[/COLOR][/s] - [B]Kyoshi[/B]
[s][COLOR="#00FF00"]Water Tribe Citizen[/COLOR][/s] - [B]June[/B]
[s][COLOR="#00FF00"]Water Tribe Citizen[/COLOR][/s] - [B]Lion Turtle[/B]
[s][COLOR="#00FF00"]Water Tribe Citizen[/COLOR][/s] - [B]Wang Fire[/B]

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]*///////////////////////////////* MUST DECIDE WHO THE HELL IS CULTED. THREE POSS, MAYBE TWO[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Earth Kingdom Citizen[/COLOR] - [B]Sangok[/B]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Earth Kingdom Citizen[/COLOR] - [B]Huu[/B]
[s][COLOR="#00FF00"]Earth Kingdom Citizen[/COLOR][/s] - [B]Tho[/B]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Earth Kingdom Citizen[/COLOR] - [B]Hama[/B]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Earth Kingdom Citizen[/COLOR] - [B]Due[/B]

[COLOR="#800080"]Jet[/COLOR] - [B]Pathik[/B]
[COLOR="#800080"]?[/COLOR] - [B]Wei Jin[/B] / [B]Huu[/B] / [B]Hama[/B] / [B]Due[/B]
[COLOR="#800080"]?[/COLOR] - [B]Wei Jin[/B] / [B]Huu[/B] / [B]Hama[/B] / [B]Due[/B]
[COLOR="#800080"]?[/COLOR] - [B]Wei Jin[/B] / [B]Huu[/B] / [B]Hama[/B] / [B]Due[/B]

[s][COLOR="#00FFFF"]Cabbage Merchant[/COLOR][/s] - [B]Momo[/B]

I would recommend people start suspecting Huu, Wei Jin, Hama and Due for cult unless somebody would like to reject this.[/QUOTE]

Cool. But my focus and what should be the focus of all players right now is the mafia. Why do you think those players are mafia?

I really appreciate you taking the time to put this read list together and I wish other players would have the consideration to our living community to do the same.

Originally Posted by Sangok

So while Wei Jin reads the day posts, we need to figure out who's Jet and who he's recruited these past nights. Pathik is a possible suspect, but we still need to find out who was culted. If the culted guys are on the possible lynch/execution list, this will be a bit easier. As long as Zuko does his job with the jail and the execution tonight, and what happens this night, the next day will support the evidence in the suspect list. To my opinion, Kyoshi Warrior #3 has changed a lot from Day 1. Unless she becomes more active and comes back to explain herself, she will be marked. Pathik has stayed constant all this time, but there's no other way of telling what he might do since he is a viable suspect. I'm not really sure about Due being Iroh since he packed up alot from his previous cat related pictographs and started some serious discussion after the deaths of all the Citizens. He makes very contributing posts by analysis and I'm pretty sure a neutral wouldn't be posting like that. My guess would be that Yangchen is Iroh. I'll have to read the setup again to get back to this, but for now here's the role list.

Admiral Zhao - Monk Gyatso
Mafia - Wan Shi Tong
Mafia - Koh
Mafia - Kyoshi Warrior 3

Zuko - Jin Wei
Uncle Iroh - Yangchen

- Team Avatar -
Aang - La
Katara - Kuruk
Sokka - Wei Jin / Hama / Due
Appa - Kyoshi
Water Tribe Citizen - June
Water Tribe Citizen - Lion Turtle
Water Tribe Citizen - Wang Fire

*///////////////////////////////* MUST DECIDE WHO THE HELL IS CULTED. THREE POSS, MAYBE TWO
Earth Kingdom Citizen - Sangok
Earth Kingdom Citizen - Huu
Earth Kingdom Citizen - Tho
Earth Kingdom Citizen - Hama
Earth Kingdom Citizen - Due

Jet - Pathik
? - Wei Jin / Huu / Hama / Due
? - Wei Jin / Huu / Hama / Due
? - Wei Jin / Huu / Hama / Due

Cabbage Merchant - Momo

I would recommend people start suspecting Huu, Wei Jin, Hama and Due for cult unless somebody would like to reject this.

Cool. But my focus and what should be the focus of all players right now is the mafia. Why do you think those players are mafia?

I really appreciate you taking the time to put this read list together and I wish other players would have the consideration to our living community to do the same.

[QUOTE=Due;393066]Agreed with this. I wonder how would the game have gone if I didn't decide to play my meta-game Days 1 and 2.

It's just that town in this game hasn't put in the work to be evident town to others, and that's why mislynches happen. Wang Fire and Tho were terrible townies. We had to compromise on a Momo lynch. etc.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't have said it better myself. I have had a lot of trouble distinguishing bad players from scum. Wan shi tong flirts with this on quite a few levels but had an ace that saves him from my focus. I love your logic and although you are my jet peg I think destroying the mafia here is in both our interest. I have no illusion that you are confirmed jet and that there is in no way you could be confirmed town but what I am sure of is that you have a real ability to read players and that you could help make things come together here.

Originally Posted by Due

Agreed with this. I wonder how would the game have gone if I didn't decide to play my meta-game Days 1 and 2.

It's just that town in this game hasn't put in the work to be evident town to others, and that's why mislynches happen. Wang Fire and Tho were terrible townies. We had to compromise on a Momo lynch. etc.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I have had a lot of trouble distinguishing bad players from scum. Wan shi tong flirts with this on quite a few levels but had an ace that saves him from my focus. I love your logic and although you are my jet peg I think destroying the mafia here is in both our interest. I have no illusion that you are confirmed jet and that there is in no way you could be confirmed town but what I am sure of is that you have a real ability to read players and that you could help make things come together here.

[QUOTE=Wei Jin;393061]Yea most likely I will die, but working on reads for KY#3 and Pathik right now.

Also Due is most likely Iroh. It would explain why he lost his "motivation" to play the game.[/QUOTE]

Could be. I know this game has been frustrating as hell for most of the town. Maybe we should consider a lack of frustration as a tell. As that things have gone great for the mafia.

Originally Posted by Wei Jin

Yea most likely I will die, but working on reads for KY#3 and Pathik right now.

Also Due is most likely Iroh. It would explain why he lost his "motivation" to play the game.

Could be. I know this game has been frustrating as hell for most of the town. Maybe we should consider a lack of frustration as a tell. As that things have gone great for the mafia.

[QUOTE=Jin Wei;393057]It's you or me brother (sister?) and since they have you locked down I'm a more imminent threat than you. Just do me proud tomorrow. I'll hopefully execute the consort tonight in which case you could heal me.[/QUOTE]

That would be sick if we pulled that off. For now I trust you over any of my town peggs. Its sad that this game has come to that but it is what it is..

Originally Posted by Jin Wei

It's you or me brother (sister?) and since they have you locked down I'm a more imminent threat than you. Just do me proud tomorrow. I'll hopefully execute the consort tonight in which case you could heal me.

That would be sick if we pulled that off. For now I trust you over any of my town peggs. Its sad that this game has come to that but it is what it is..

[QUOTE=Sangok;393056]Please post your readings on KW#3 and Pathik, my read wall's coming up.[/QUOTE]

I want your reads sangok. My read on you regardless of role right now is a snake. You hide in the shadows and five only what is required of you. If you are town step out and play some team work. For now I think you are scum at worst and cult at best. Prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by Sangok

Please post your readings on KW#3 and Pathik, my read wall's coming up.

I want your reads sangok. My read on you regardless of role right now is a snake. You hide in the shadows and five only what is required of you. If you are town step out and play some team work. For now I think you are scum at worst and cult at best. Prove me wrong.

[QUOTE=Wei Jin;393053]I am here now. My internet got knocked out by a storm and has been acting up very bad now. Reading the day.[/QUOTE]

Then again the move you made makes you just as much of a dead man as me... Glad I won't be alone in avatar hell.
What do you think players should hunt for in a mafia player? What do you think their tells will be?

Originally Posted by Wei Jin

I am here now. My internet got knocked out by a storm and has been acting up very bad now. Reading the day.

Then again the move you made makes you just as much of a dead man as me... Glad I won't be alone in avatar hell.
What do you think players should hunt for in a mafia player? What do you think their tells will be?

[QUOTE=Wei Jin;393053]I am here now. My internet got knocked out by a storm and has been acting up very bad now. Reading the day.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad you are back. As that I am dead tomorow feel free to pick my mind on any player. Hopefully we can get some real work done d4.

Originally Posted by Wei Jin

I am here now. My internet got knocked out by a storm and has been acting up very bad now. Reading the day.

I'm glad you are back. As that I am dead tomorow feel free to pick my mind on any player. Hopefully we can get some real work done d4.

[QUOTE=Due;393051]I don't know?

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Confirmed Not Mafia
[/COLOR]
Due - Town
Jin Wei - Zuko
Kuruk - Katara

[COLOR="#008000"]Unlikely to be Mafia based on unaligned pairs[/COLOR]
Hama
Huu
Sangok
Yangchen

[COLOR="#0000FF"]Somewhat town because bad breadcrumb[/COLOR]
Wan Shi Tong

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Remaining players left[/COLOR]
Koh
Kyoshi Warrior #3
Pathik
Wei Jin

...Man, I really need to get a case rolling on KW3 at some point.[/QUOTE]

Posted the last before reading this. I really expected some kind of in depth read given the time you say you have spent on building a read wall. This looks like the kind of hip shot I have been giving sense loosing access to a computer but I will not rule out the idea that I could just have my reads backwards. My question is why do you have these reads and what posts by the scum players gave you the read of scum?

Originally Posted by Due

I don't know?

Confirmed Not Mafia

Due - Town
Jin Wei - Zuko
Kuruk - Katara

Unlikely to be Mafia based on unaligned pairs
Hama
Huu
Sangok
Yangchen

Somewhat town because bad breadcrumb
Wan Shi Tong

Remaining players left
Koh
Kyoshi Warrior #3
Pathik
Wei Jin

...Man, I really need to get a case rolling on KW3 at some point.

Posted the last before reading this. I really expected some kind of in depth read given the time you say you have spent on building a read wall. This looks like the kind of hip shot I have been giving sense loosing access to a computer but I will not rule out the idea that I could just have my reads backwards. My question is why do you have these reads and what posts by the scum players gave you the read of scum?

[QUOTE=Hama;393047]What do you mean by this? Did he communicate to you that he knew you were Katara? That might explain why you keep getting role-blocked.[/QUOTE]

Read his posts through d2. Its either trying to buddy me to avoid my fos or he had a reason to keep me alive by suspecting my role. Him and KW3 are my favorite towns right now. In spite of my lack of ability to do so many things with a phone limitation kw3 was the first player I had pegged as town to zero in on me and challenge me. His sticking with it to the start of today makes puts him in a very good place in my book.


To be blunt I want to see the players that have been a real power this game challenge etch other more. On that not sangok still has a cult/mafia peg from me because of the ability I have read in him vs what he has done.

Originally Posted by Hama

What do you mean by this? Did he communicate to you that he knew you were Katara? That might explain why you keep getting role-blocked.

Read his posts through d2. Its either trying to buddy me to avoid my fos or he had a reason to keep me alive by suspecting my role. Him and KW3 are my favorite towns right now. In spite of my lack of ability to do so many things with a phone limitation kw3 was the first player I had pegged as town to zero in on me and challenge me. His sticking with it to the start of today makes puts him in a very good place in my book.


To be blunt I want to see the players that have been a real power this game challenge etch other more. On that not sangok still has a cult/mafia peg from me because of the ability I have read in him vs what he has done.

[QUOTE=Due;393048]Sorry for my declining activity - I have lost almost all motivation to play this game because apparently I can't read people.

I'll do process of elimination tonight.[/QUOTE]

We are all frustrated with this. Just give what notes you can

Originally Posted by Due

Sorry for my declining activity - I have lost almost all motivation to play this game because apparently I can't read people.

I'll do process of elimination tonight.

We are all frustrated with this. Just give what notes you can

Reading that post I sound like cult.. Lol. All I can say for now is that I am not cult and I have been hunting cult pretty hard because of the implications that come with my conversion.

Reading that post I sound like cult.. Lol. All I can say for now is that I am not cult and I have been hunting cult pretty hard because of the implications that come with my conversion.

[QUOTE=Hama;393036]The only suspicious thing I can think of about Pathik is his Players of the Hour. Target 1 was the Cabbage Merchant and Target 2 was Zuko. Yet, his objective analysis was so flawless that we could never blame him for that because he explained everything along the way. But it makes me wonder, if he tries so hard, and is so good, maybe he just chose people that would look suspicious once analysed. Given my impression of his abilities, I would have expected him to net some serious scum (not half scum like Zuko and Mrs Cabbage). Otherwise, he's played a perfect game. Due, I just think is Iroh.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I give him a harder look than any other player. Regardless he had my role pegged before any other player and he made moves to keep me alive. He could be jet but jet or not we need to find mafia today. In the event we can only lock down one target for killing I would ask for this player to be a protected jail target for tonight. If the jailor didn't like what he hears he could exe. But I feel like myself or the jailor will be killed tonight. And my hope is that we can end up with 2 mafia kills tonight. Unfortunately if this happens and I live I will need to be killed as a cult in a few nights anyways but I think its worth the risk.

Originally Posted by Hama

The only suspicious thing I can think of about Pathik is his Players of the Hour. Target 1 was the Cabbage Merchant and Target 2 was Zuko. Yet, his objective analysis was so flawless that we could never blame him for that because he explained everything along the way. But it makes me wonder, if he tries so hard, and is so good, maybe he just chose people that would look suspicious once analysed. Given my impression of his abilities, I would have expected him to net some serious scum (not half scum like Zuko and Mrs Cabbage). Otherwise, he's played a perfect game. Due, I just think is Iroh.

I agree. I give him a harder look than any other player. Regardless he had my role pegged before any other player and he made moves to keep me alive. He could be jet but jet or not we need to find mafia today. In the event we can only lock down one target for killing I would ask for this player to be a protected jail target for tonight. If the jailor didn't like what he hears he could exe. But I feel like myself or the jailor will be killed tonight. And my hope is that we can end up with 2 mafia kills tonight. Unfortunately if this happens and I live I will need to be killed as a cult in a few nights anyways but I think its worth the risk.

[QUOTE=Yangchen;393031]Pathik is more reasonable since Due's style called too much attention.[/QUOTE]
More reasonable for...?

Originally Posted by Yangchen

Pathik is more reasonable since Due's style called too much attention.

More reasonable for...?

[QUOTE=Hama;393028]But like I couldn't figure out with you, what could the motivation be to fake role-blocked at this stage of the game?

I was role-blocked. You say you were role-blocked.

Which is even more confusing. Because I thought Due was Iroh so why would he lie about being role-blocked? But could Due have been role-blocked by Sokka, and me and you by Consorts?[/QUOTE]

Lets just step back and look at the living players. Huu and sangok are obviously cult but we have to ignore them for now. Just for a sanity check what do you think of due and pathik's play style?

I really think sloal put one real solid player on each team. This makes one of them town and the other.... Not town.

Originally Posted by Hama

But like I couldn't figure out with you, what could the motivation be to fake role-blocked at this stage of the game?

I was role-blocked. You say you were role-blocked.

Which is even more confusing. Because I thought Due was Iroh so why would he lie about being role-blocked? But could Due have been role-blocked by Sokka, and me and you by Consorts?

Lets just step back and look at the living players. Huu and sangok are obviously cult but we have to ignore them for now. Just for a sanity check what do you think of due and pathik's play style?

I really think sloal put one real solid player on each team. This makes one of them town and the other.... Not town.

[QUOTE=Hama;393026]So I guess against the odds you weren't lying, which means the Mafia does have a Fire mage and that Fire mage did happen to become a second consort.[/QUOTE]

This is what I think.
1) You and due faked your claims
2) There was 2 consorts all along. (I doubt this)
3) You are correct which just means just due was lying

Originally Posted by Hama

So I guess against the odds you weren't lying, which means the Mafia does have a Fire mage and that Fire mage did happen to become a second consort.

This is what I think.
1) You and due faked your claims
2) There was 2 consorts all along. (I doubt this)
3) You are correct which just means just due was lying

[QUOTE=Hama;393022][vote]unvote[/vote][/QUOTE]

I hate the lack of reason with your vote. Can you give some leads WITH reason to them?

Originally Posted by Hama

-vote unvote

I hate the lack of reason with your vote. Can you give some leads WITH reason to them?

I dont have time for this crap. I am katara. I have been banging the consort every night instead of healing. If this were not the case we would have 2 more town alive.
Remember d2 when I kept saying due faked his role block claim? Yeah. This is why. KW3- We are thinking along the same lines with the due/hana combo. This is why I pushed for a jailor conformation. N2 I had Hana pegged as a little scummy but wanted more info.

You may ask yourself why I pushed for lion to be healed instead of jailed given my role block status. Here is why-
1- Lions role was suspect as hell in my book. Claiming cit by mistake.. Ok. But going as far as to confirm he was water was just shitty on his part.
2- I was rb n1 by random. I claimed encouraged to make it look like I was not a tpr. (I hoped the mafia would say no power role would claimed encouraged) After the n2 role block I figured they were just playing it safe.) D3 I made an effort to make myself look a bit more like scum trying to control the town. Also pushing the argument to heal lion instead of jailing for protection I hoped would shake the katara trail off me. Obviously I failed or the mafia thought I was the other tpr claiming encouraged as a gambit.
3- Mafia's win condition evolving unites the town and cult against the mafia. I would have wanted lion dead just for that reason if I could have confirmed he was tui. I REALLY think we have a very big cult problem that for some reason everyone ignores. Well now is the time to ignore it.

@Cult- If you can reveal jet and you can return to the town. This is now your best chance of winning.
@Jet- recruit me and I will throw you to the wolves. Recruit someone else and you will make yourself loose.


Now that everyone but 3 players want the mafia lets talk about what to look for. The mafia player will not really want cult dead. Bunny was running them for 2 nights and probably had a plan of evolving the win condition from the start.

Lets find the mafia. And unvote me you idiots.

I dont have time for this crap. I am katara. I have been banging the consort every night instead of healing. If this were not the case we would have 2 more town alive.
Remember d2 when I kept saying due faked his role block claim? Yeah. This is why. KW3- We are thinking along the same lines with the due/hana combo. This is why I pushed for a jailor conformation. N2 I had Hana pegged as a little scummy but wanted more info.

You may ask yourself why I pushed for lion to be healed instead of jailed given my role block status. Here is why-
1- Lions role was suspect as hell in my book. Claiming cit by mistake.. Ok. But going as far as to confirm he was water was just shitty on his part.
2- I was rb n1 by random. I claimed encouraged to make it look like I was not a tpr. (I hoped the mafia would say no power role would claimed encouraged) After the n2 role block I figured they were just playing it safe.) D3 I made an effort to make myself look a bit more like scum trying to control the town. Also pushing the argument to heal lion instead of jailing for protection I hoped would shake the katara trail off me. Obviously I failed or the mafia thought I was the other tpr claiming encouraged as a gambit.
3- Mafia's win condition evolving unites the town and cult against the mafia. I would have wanted lion dead just for that reason if I could have confirmed he was tui. I REALLY think we have a very big cult problem that for some reason everyone ignores. Well now is the time to ignore it.

@Cult- If you can reveal jet and you can return to the town. This is now your best chance of winning.
@Jet- recruit me and I will throw you to the wolves. Recruit someone else and you will make yourself loose.


Now that everyone but 3 players want the mafia lets talk about what to look for. The mafia player will not really want cult dead. Bunny was running them for 2 nights and probably had a plan of evolving the win condition from the start.

Lets find the mafia. And unvote me you idiots.

I'm still waiting for a shred of logic for me being jet or mafia.

I claimed role blocked every night which makes me mafia..? Please come up with something to move the concept along or unvote me

I'm still waiting for a shred of logic for me being jet or mafia.

I claimed role blocked every night which makes me mafia..? Please come up with something to move the concept along or unvote me

[QUOTE=Pathik;392930]Oh for Roku's sake, if [COLOR="#FF0000"]Gyatso [/COLOR]wasn't modkilled I think we'd basically be screwed at this point. We may still be.

For anyone who for some reason hasn't realized, FN Win Conditions have evolved folks - that means if TA is eliminated, FN wins and game ends. Which is possible in 1-6 more specific deaths (the only perma-confirmable TA member left right now being Sokka).[/QUOTE]

What are your thoughts on the roll call?

Originally Posted by Pathik

Oh for Roku's sake, if Gyatso wasn't modkilled I think we'd basically be screwed at this point. We may still be.

For anyone who for some reason hasn't realized, FN Win Conditions have evolved folks - that means if TA is eliminated, FN wins and game ends. Which is possible in 1-6 more specific deaths (the only perma-confirmable TA member left right now being Sokka).

What are your thoughts on the roll call?

If you find 2 consorts so unlikely why didn't you say so d2 when I pushed that note very hard. Also, n1 2 role block claims. N2 1 told block claim. N3 2 role block claims. What is missing here. @Koh who else has been 'locked down' the whole game? And it is very hard for me to hunt for posts on a phone.

If I am scum what am I? Why do you think I am scum?
What the hell is with these players voting without reason..

I personally doubt 2 consorts. Hence me pushing so hard on due d2. On the bright side I think that we can get somewhere today.

Repost from a few hours ago..

If you find 2 consorts so unlikely why didn't you say so d2 when I pushed that note very hard. Also, n1 2 role block claims. N2 1 told block claim. N3 2 role block claims. What is missing here. @Koh who else has been 'locked down' the whole game? And it is very hard for me to hunt for posts on a phone.

If I am scum what am I? Why do you think I am scum?
What the hell is with these players voting without reason..

I personally doubt 2 consorts. Hence me pushing so hard on due d2. On the bright side I think that we can get somewhere today.

Repost from a few hours ago..

For the record
I think huu is probably culted as well.
I was role blocked
I am about to go to work and probably can't sneak around today to post. We will see..

For the record
I think huu is probably culted as well.
I was role blocked
I am about to go to work and probably can't sneak around today to post. We will see..

[QUOTE=Koh;392916]You are no longer required for their victory but you're still a serial jailor that has vowed to kill them. You're still the most logical target.

FN other targets are an AFK/Locked-Down Katara, Sokka who is most likely going to encourage you and ≤4 people with the potential to no longer be required kill targets.



I'm an earth cit. I wanted to remain anonymous to give Jet a harder time.
Seriously claiming earth cit with so 4 living earth cits is useless. Even if 6 people claim out of a possible pool of 4 you chances are still greater to kill TA over Scum. I would have preferred to wait to counter claim till after Jet died or when there were fewer possible cits but I know how forced role claiming goes with a jailor/mayor. The person that stays silent if almost always lynched.

At the very least you can be sure I'm not the consort as you all should be aware that no one was playing this account till near the end of day 2.[/QUOTE]

I believe this is the second time you have insinuated that I am katara. Why would you hunt for a town power role?

Originally Posted by Koh

You are no longer required for their victory but you're still a serial jailor that has vowed to kill them. You're still the most logical target.

FN other targets are an AFK/Locked-Down Katara, Sokka who is most likely going to encourage you and ≤4 people with the potential to no longer be required kill targets.



I'm an earth cit. I wanted to remain anonymous to give Jet a harder time.
Seriously claiming earth cit with so 4 living earth cits is useless. Even if 6 people claim out of a possible pool of 4 you chances are still greater to kill TA over Scum. I would have preferred to wait to counter claim till after Jet died or when there were fewer possible cits but I know how forced role claiming goes with a jailor/mayor. The person that stays silent if almost always lynched.

At the very least you can be sure I'm not the consort as you all should be aware that no one was playing this account till near the end of day 2.

I believe this is the second time you have insinuated that I am katara. Why would you hunt for a town power role?

We could do a role call given our dire state as town but is the benefit of using it to scum bunt worth th cost of allowing scum to hand pick their targets? This would probably seal the towns fate.. I think we have a very real cult problem. I think both sangok and huu are culted. And I find it silly that some players have taken to calling me Jet after I started FoSing players as potential cult suspects. I find it even more suspicious that these players refuse to give any real logic to their reasoning, almost as if they are fumbling for a reason to call me cult just to avoid defending themselves.

Sangok- Revealed to be cit d2 the very first thing and advocated for the cult. This players move seemed to be either waiving a flag to the cult to get converted or an attempt to get other citizens to claim and become cult targets. I really can't note any real scum hunting from this player unless pressure is applied. Notable buddy actions with huu would be semi-confirming his role d2 to get him off the hot seat when huu choked defending himself d2. D3 huu threw out a pretty list and sangok pushed guys accusation that I am jet after I applyed pressure to both players. As I kept pushing on sangok his defense also seemed angled to give huu a cover. It seemed like he refused to even consider that huu could be culted and kept pushing that jet must be an afk player or have been role blocked. I would also note getting this player to have a real conversation on the subject has been very hard to do. He may be in a different time zone but he still has a real bad habit of running off at very convenient times. D4 this casting suspicion on huu looks like a huge change of play style. Bussing that the cult came up with in night chat?

@Sangok- Care to comment on your actions? And what's with your 'I know you are but what am I' defense tag team with huu when I said players should consider you culted?

We could do a role call given our dire state as town but is the benefit of using it to scum bunt worth th cost of allowing scum to hand pick their targets? This would probably seal the towns fate.. I think we have a very real cult problem. I think both sangok and huu are culted. And I find it silly that some players have taken to calling me Jet after I started FoSing players as potential cult suspects. I find it even more suspicious that these players refuse to give any real logic to their reasoning, almost as if they are fumbling for a reason to call me cult just to avoid defending themselves.

Sangok- Revealed to be cit d2 the very first thing and advocated for the cult. This players move seemed to be either waiving a flag to the cult to get converted or an attempt to get other citizens to claim and become cult targets. I really can't note any real scum hunting from this player unless pressure is applied. Notable buddy actions with huu would be semi-confirming his role d2 to get him off the hot seat when huu choked defending himself d2. D3 huu threw out a pretty list and sangok pushed guys accusation that I am jet after I applyed pressure to both players. As I kept pushing on sangok his defense also seemed angled to give huu a cover. It seemed like he refused to even consider that huu could be culted and kept pushing that jet must be an afk player or have been role blocked. I would also note getting this player to have a real conversation on the subject has been very hard to do. He may be in a different time zone but he still has a real bad habit of running off at very convenient times. D4 this casting suspicion on huu looks like a huge change of play style. Bussing that the cult came up with in night chat?

@Sangok- Care to comment on your actions? And what's with your 'I know you are but what am I' defense tag team with huu when I said players should consider you culted?

Well I was really confused by your reveal there Jin. Could you explain why you want a role claim from me?

Also I have a very strong feeling that due and pathik can not be on the same team. This is not to say that they are both town either but I am not saying they are both scum.
Given my total failure to successfully peg advocate a single scum this game I started looking at other things I could use. In this case I jumped to host meta.

Well I was really confused by your reveal there Jin. Could you explain why you want a role claim from me?

Also I have a very strong feeling that due and pathik can not be on the same team. This is not to say that they are both town either but I am not saying they are both scum.
Given my total failure to successfully peg advocate a single scum this game I started looking at other things I could use. In this case I jumped to host meta.

[QUOTE=Sangok;392910]I've got no feedback, which either means

1) Jet recruited one of the unclaimed people
2) Jet recruited Huu
3) Jet could not recruit because he was jailed
4) Jet could not recruit because he was roleblocked
5) Jet could not recruit because he is AFK.[/QUOTE]

6) Jet could not recruit you because you were recruited n2
7) You are jet and your reveal d2 was to get other players to reveal


Still waiting to hear if you care to confirm my analysis of your FoS on me by the way.

Originally Posted by Sangok

I've got no feedback, which either means

1) Jet recruited one of the unclaimed people
2) Jet recruited Huu
3) Jet could not recruit because he was jailed
4) Jet could not recruit because he was roleblocked
5) Jet could not recruit because he is AFK.

6) Jet could not recruit you because you were recruited n2
7) You are jet and your reveal d2 was to get other players to reveal


Still waiting to hear if you care to confirm my analysis of your FoS on me by the way.

Phone died. Almost didn't make it back on. Hammer?

Phone died. Almost didn't make it back on. Hammer?