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having the mafia chat as a discord chat potentially totally changed the feel of the game for mafia because they'd be answering to questions and pressure live, as opposed to normal forum mafia where you can piss off for an hour before answering if you want time to chill / clear your head.

having the mafia chat as a discord chat potentially totally changed the feel of the game for mafia because they'd be answering to questions and pressure live, as opposed to normal forum mafia where you can piss off for an hour before answering if you want time to chill / clear your head.

[QUOTE=FrostByte;911231]You had probably the most stressful role in the game. I honestly don't blame you for not wanted to play anymore. Maybe take a break and come back to it when you're refreshed?

Being consig with an illum GF would be hell imo. Scum is stressful enough without your teammate saying n1 that he wants you dead.

GG bro there was almost nothing you could have done. Sometimes it's just out of your hands.[/QUOTE]

MZ/baker must have had it hard too. Trying to balance multiple layers of snakery and micromanage associations with half the game must be tiring, or at least it would be for me. I don't know what mafia chat was like, but if I was mafia I'd do a no-nonsense interrogation of my teammate with pre-prepared questions to grill their loyalty in the nightchat, whether I was illuminati or not. The fear of going thru that had me praying I didn't get mafia cuz that sounds like hell lol.

Originally Posted by FrostByte

You had probably the most stressful role in the game. I honestly don't blame you for not wanted to play anymore. Maybe take a break and come back to it when you're refreshed?

Being consig with an illum GF would be hell imo. Scum is stressful enough without your teammate saying n1 that he wants you dead.

GG bro there was almost nothing you could have done. Sometimes it's just out of your hands.

MZ/baker must have had it hard too. Trying to balance multiple layers of snakery and micromanage associations with half the game must be tiring, or at least it would be for me. I don't know what mafia chat was like, but if I was mafia I'd do a no-nonsense interrogation of my teammate with pre-prepared questions to grill their loyalty in the nightchat, whether I was illuminati or not. The fear of going thru that had me praying I didn't get mafia cuz that sounds like hell lol.

ggwp

[QUOTE=Frinckles;911174]:3 my list was 3/4 btw

MartinGG99
Mesk514
Dark Magician
yzb25

Renegade
MattZed
Auwt
Marshmallow Marshall

ggwp I guess Mesk didn't technically lie about being a citizen![/QUOTE]

made literally the exact same cockup with the last illuminati slot.

was a craptonne of fun tho

ggwp

Originally Posted by Frinckles

:3 my list was 3/4 btw

MartinGG99
Mesk514
Dark Magician
yzb25

Renegade
MattZed
Auwt
Marshmallow Marshall

ggwp I guess Mesk didn't technically lie about being a citizen!

made literally the exact same cockup with the last illuminati slot.

was a craptonne of fun tho

anyway, look forward to seeing the flips. nn

anyway, look forward to seeing the flips. nn

[QUOTE=yzb25;911165]Yea, I see now. That looks like it was written by MZ on day 1. Trying to unravel what level of mindfuck he intends with that post isn't a trivial task tho lol[/QUOTE]

by "trivial" I mean easy. Misusing words

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;911163]TBF, without your contributions in this game I may or would have taken a different path.

Trying to figure all this shit out, without anyone as obvtown as you, is really difficult.[/QUOTE]

and ty <3

Originally Posted by yzb25

Yea, I see now. That looks like it was written by MZ on day 1. Trying to unravel what level of mindfuck he intends with that post isn't a trivial task tho lol

by "trivial" I mean easy. Misusing words

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

TBF, without your contributions in this game I may or would have taken a different path.

Trying to figure all this shit out, without anyone as obvtown as you, is really difficult.

and ty <3

[QUOTE=yzb25;911165]Yea, I see now. That looks like it was written by MZ on day 1. Trying to unravel what level of mindfuck he intends with that post isn't a trivial task tho lol[/QUOTE]

It may be intended to be disbelieved, because he makes the absurd suggestion of skipping every day in the 2nd paragraph.

Originally Posted by yzb25

Yea, I see now. That looks like it was written by MZ on day 1. Trying to unravel what level of mindfuck he intends with that post isn't a trivial task tho lol

It may be intended to be disbelieved, because he makes the absurd suggestion of skipping every day in the 2nd paragraph.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;911162]Did you see the LW of baker/MZ?

That was MZ's d1 LW (it would seem) trying to paint MM as consigliere and urging town to yeet them, in the chance that GF gets lynched d1.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I see now. That looks like it was written by MZ on day 1. Trying to unravel what level of mindfuck he intends with that post isn't a trivial task tho lol

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Did you see the LW of baker/MZ?

That was MZ's d1 LW (it would seem) trying to paint MM as consigliere and urging town to yeet them, in the chance that GF gets lynched d1.

Yea, I see now. That looks like it was written by MZ on day 1. Trying to unravel what level of mindfuck he intends with that post isn't a trivial task tho lol

man this game kinda made conspiracy theorist look op lol

man this game kinda made conspiracy theorist look op lol

my guesses remain the same as they were when I sent them to mike a couple IRL days ago

Rene - non-illuminati mafia
Matt/baker - illuminati mafia
Auwt - illuminati
MM - illuminati

my guesses remain the same as they were when I sent them to mike a couple IRL days ago

Rene - non-illuminati mafia
Matt/baker - illuminati mafia
Auwt - illuminati
MM - illuminati

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;911158]Thinking this should be my check order:

Mesk -> MM -> Stealthbomber/DM -> Yzb25

If Yzb25 or DM/Stealthbomber are illuminati I will be shocked.

MM I slightly doubt is illuminati. Then again I don't think I'm good at reading him confidently as town or scum...like ever lol.

Only time I was really confident was when I D1 bussed him in the Mildred's Horror game.[/QUOTE]

I think its MM over mesk, but I can get guessing mesk cuz of the timing of that renegade push - exactly when illuminati would want to off the non-illuminati mafia (assuming renegade was indeed non-illuminati)

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Thinking this should be my check order:

Mesk -> MM -> Stealthbomber/DM -> Yzb25

If Yzb25 or DM/Stealthbomber are illuminati I will be shocked.

MM I slightly doubt is illuminati. Then again I don't think I'm good at reading him confidently as town or scum...like ever lol.

Only time I was really confident was when I D1 bussed him in the Mildred's Horror game.

I think its MM over mesk, but I can get guessing mesk cuz of the timing of that renegade push - exactly when illuminati would want to off the non-illuminati mafia (assuming renegade was indeed non-illuminati)

scum froze so hard this game

scum froze so hard this game

omfg, my setup insight has been such garbage literally the entire game T_T. I even looked at the OoO and didn't make the connection conspiracy theorist kill actually comes before the other kills in this setup. Martin's solve is 1000x simpler and doesn't require any speed lynching (even with illuminati mayor they have at most 3 votes) so kudos to him. This is literally like when you have some wacky checkmate in 4 and your friend is like "bro just move the rook to A1 and get your ez win."

anyway, illuminati are objectively fcked at this point.

[SIZE=5]Illuminati, all of you can be checked over successive nights. It's time to surrender. Mislynching is impossible now.[/SIZE]

It's nice to wrap this up before xmas eve. Genuinely intrigued to see who the illuminati were exactly in the end, and which one will get a random win XD. I am by no means 100% certain about my guesses. Tho I genuinely did believe there was an illuminati.

Town played exceedingly well this game. I was tellin mike as much on discord. V little cannibalism and p good reads from the entire town. That, combined with extremely pro-town conspiracy theorist and competent checks won us the game.

[vote]Auwt[/vote]

omfg, my setup insight has been such garbage literally the entire game T_T. I even looked at the OoO and didn't make the connection conspiracy theorist kill actually comes before the other kills in this setup. Martin's solve is 1000x simpler and doesn't require any speed lynching (even with illuminati mayor they have at most 3 votes) so kudos to him. This is literally like when you have some wacky checkmate in 4 and your friend is like "bro just move the rook to A1 and get your ez win."

anyway, illuminati are objectively fcked at this point.

Illuminati, all of you can be checked over successive nights. It's time to surrender. Mislynching is impossible now.

It's nice to wrap this up before xmas eve. Genuinely intrigued to see who the illuminati were exactly in the end, and which one will get a random win XD. I am by no means 100% certain about my guesses. Tho I genuinely did believe there was an illuminati.

Town played exceedingly well this game. I was tellin mike as much on discord. V little cannibalism and p good reads from the entire town. That, combined with extremely pro-town conspiracy theorist and competent checks won us the game.

-vote Auwt

But whichever of rene or bakermir is illuminati isn't that important. That's the beauty in just lynching them both. No worries about accidentally keeping around the one that's illuminati.

I guess the setup induces this kind of paranoia naturally, but there's too much shenaniganry for an illuminati to [I]not[/I] exist. MM still hasn't done any serious push on a scumread the entire game. His reactions to things are towny, but that's it. He's been totally passive and his MZ read has morphed into a self-aware meme at this point. It's nothing like what he was doing last game as town, where he was pegging scums and raining hell. Maybe he's more busy, idk. Maybe Auwt also happened to be a natural illuminati read who got the illuminati check too, idk. I just find it all very implausible.

But whichever of rene or bakermir is illuminati isn't that important. That's the beauty in just lynching them both. No worries about accidentally keeping around the one that's illuminati.

I guess the setup induces this kind of paranoia naturally, but there's too much shenaniganry for an illuminati to not exist. MM still hasn't done any serious push on a scumread the entire game. His reactions to things are towny, but that's it. He's been totally passive and his MZ read has morphed into a self-aware meme at this point. It's nothing like what he was doing last game as town, where he was pegging scums and raining hell. Maybe he's more busy, idk. Maybe Auwt also happened to be a natural illuminati read who got the illuminati check too, idk. I just find it all very implausible.

I haven't bothered to share this, because I didn't think it was that relevant, but I think MZ/bakermir is the illuminati-mafia rather than Renegade. I just wasn't sure if I could convince you guys to lynch MZ/renegade over the actual red-check. the mafia/illuminati will be a player that half the game has a vested interest not to push day 1. A successful train on them (unless there's bussing) would require every town AND the conspiracy theorist to push through - in other words, it's a nearly impossible train. And the illuminati would be VERY determined to keep their illuminati in the mafia alive as he's the most critical member.

MZ/bakermir fit the bill in my eyes as someone who was unjustifiably hard to lynch, given his scumminess, to the point it did seem like half the game conveniently had an excuse not to vote him (I remember Auwt commiting to a Frinckles vote then immediately going to bed without even acknowledging the MZ or taking any questions on his decision. He had already stated he believed there was a scum in MZ/MM, so why not even consider the train?). But I'll admit that's clouded by a lot of bias given most ppl tend to feel that way about their scumreads.

Also, I can't help but wonder why Renegade wouldn't hop on the MZ train if he was really illuminati mafia, and showed absolutely no interest in doing so to "ensure at least some lynch goes through". If non-illuminati mafia got lynched d1, illuminati would have free reign over the nightkill. That's way too juicy not to be worth taking the gamble on, and tho MZ only came to L-2, you were still around to add your vote if someone else put him at L-1.

I think if one person could convince their mafia teammate they're not illuminati, it'd be MZ. He understood this setup inside out and how to play it in such a way to give the indication to his teammate that he really is a non-illuminati mafia. I think renegade not replying to the question was a sign of growing doubt in his mind towards MZ after two ppl had crawled out the woodwork to give sheriff red checks. You [I]have[/I] to get suspicious of a conspiracy to kill you and take the nightkill after that happens, or at least a conspiracy to off the consig and kill with impunity.

I haven't bothered to share this, because I didn't think it was that relevant, but I think MZ/bakermir is the illuminati-mafia rather than Renegade. I just wasn't sure if I could convince you guys to lynch MZ/renegade over the actual red-check. the mafia/illuminati will be a player that half the game has a vested interest not to push day 1. A successful train on them (unless there's bussing) would require every town AND the conspiracy theorist to push through - in other words, it's a nearly impossible train. And the illuminati would be VERY determined to keep their illuminati in the mafia alive as he's the most critical member.

MZ/bakermir fit the bill in my eyes as someone who was unjustifiably hard to lynch, given his scumminess, to the point it did seem like half the game conveniently had an excuse not to vote him (I remember Auwt commiting to a Frinckles vote then immediately going to bed without even acknowledging the MZ or taking any questions on his decision. He had already stated he believed there was a scum in MZ/MM, so why not even consider the train?). But I'll admit that's clouded by a lot of bias given most ppl tend to feel that way about their scumreads.

Also, I can't help but wonder why Renegade wouldn't hop on the MZ train if he was really illuminati mafia, and showed absolutely no interest in doing so to "ensure at least some lynch goes through". If non-illuminati mafia got lynched d1, illuminati would have free reign over the nightkill. That's way too juicy not to be worth taking the gamble on, and tho MZ only came to L-2, you were still around to add your vote if someone else put him at L-1.

I think if one person could convince their mafia teammate they're not illuminati, it'd be MZ. He understood this setup inside out and how to play it in such a way to give the indication to his teammate that he really is a non-illuminati mafia. I think renegade not replying to the question was a sign of growing doubt in his mind towards MZ after two ppl had crawled out the woodwork to give sheriff red checks. You have to get suspicious of a conspiracy to kill you and take the nightkill after that happens, or at least a conspiracy to off the consig and kill with impunity.

[QUOTE=Mesk514;911046]I would slightly argue otherwise as I'm pretty sure i have said the exact same thing as Auwt just did 101 times, if not more. It's just a slightly mute point imo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;911047]There's also the possible language barrier that would add to that.

Though I've been told in the past not to always trust language barriers.[/QUOTE]

meh, fair

Originally Posted by Mesk514

I would slightly argue otherwise as I'm pretty sure i have said the exact same thing as Auwt just did 101 times, if not more. It's just a slightly mute point imo

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

There's also the possible language barrier that would add to that.

Though I've been told in the past not to always trust language barriers.

meh, fair

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;911042]Tbh I should be sheeping you all game.

My scum-hunting is all whack this game, and its not intentional I swear ;-;[/QUOTE]

also I've been a mess this game too. I've missed so many critical details about the setup and at times magically fabricated my own details as you saw with the exe thing LOL.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Tbh I should be sheeping you all game.

My scum-hunting is all whack this game, and its not intentional I swear ;-;

also I've been a mess this game too. I've missed so many critical details about the setup and at times magically fabricated my own details as you saw with the exe thing LOL.

ppl I was paraphrasing the "you guys". "you guys" does not include oneself. Goddammit ppl T_T

ppl I was paraphrasing the "you guys". "you guys" does not include oneself. Goddammit ppl T_T

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;911039]I think I'm going to look at his past town games a bit more there.

Its his reaction and/or treatment of Frinckles that I can't tell is more scummy than towny or not.

GTH I thought he pressed his scum-reads (or fought for them) more. Back in our first game in the newbie game that happened in June I think, he was interacting a lot with Ash Lael (who was indeed a wolf but loltown lynched Auwt).

Obviously, that was a first game thing so he may have changed a lot since then.[/QUOTE]

I don't like the fact he spent his remaining motivation giving a long defense of a scumread on a dead town, that can effectively be summarized as "he was p much null until he made an opportunistic read on me", but that might be a player thing I suppose.

I was mainly thinking of the giving up thing he last posted tho. He said "your" win - didn't include himself in it. And he sounds awfully bummed and defeatist given in his town world mafias are about to get lynched and he's about to get an ez win.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

I think I'm going to look at his past town games a bit more there.

Its his reaction and/or treatment of Frinckles that I can't tell is more scummy than towny or not.

GTH I thought he pressed his scum-reads (or fought for them) more. Back in our first game in the newbie game that happened in June I think, he was interacting a lot with Ash Lael (who was indeed a wolf but loltown lynched Auwt).

Obviously, that was a first game thing so he may have changed a lot since then.

I don't like the fact he spent his remaining motivation giving a long defense of a scumread on a dead town, that can effectively be summarized as "he was p much null until he made an opportunistic read on me", but that might be a player thing I suppose.

I was mainly thinking of the giving up thing he last posted tho. He said "your" win - didn't include himself in it. And he sounds awfully bummed and defeatist given in his town world mafias are about to get lynched and he's about to get an ez win.

[QUOTE=Mesk514;911037]whatsup, just finished my final exam! woohooo, ya girl got all 90s this semester. time to catch up[/QUOTE]

Nerd :P

Originally Posted by Mesk514

whatsup, just finished my final exam! woohooo, ya girl got all 90s this semester. time to catch up

Nerd :P

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;911034]Yeah I'm definitely good with it if there's illuminati.

I think.

Problem is, is that is this is A/D and Renegade flips red then I could be screwing myself this game if we lynch mafia on d3 as well lol[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

That's a risk you have to weigh, and why you may decide to recant tonight if you think Auwt is town. I find it v hard to believe Auwt isn't illuminati after those recent posts tho LOL.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Yeah I'm definitely good with it if there's illuminati.

I think.

Problem is, is that is this is A/D and Renegade flips red then I could be screwing myself this game if we lynch mafia on d3 as well lol

Yeah.

That's a risk you have to weigh, and why you may decide to recant tonight if you think Auwt is town. I find it v hard to believe Auwt isn't illuminati after those recent posts tho LOL.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;911030]Well, most of it is based off on the MZ + MM interactions earlier on D1. I don't think scum usually creates or gets into that kind of situation often. However, MZ (your slot) is being suspected as of late as a partner to Rene and I think he was the one who started saying he was mind-melding with MM a lot. Which could lend itself to being a possible scum fabrication of a "mindmeld" when it really wasn't.

But, If MZ (your slot) is scum with Renegade as mafia alignment then honestly I think it looks better on MM because I think scum wouldn't open-wolf like that together. It would also imply, if there's illuminati, that MM isn't illuminati because fmpov since Renegade didn't participate, nor explain why he didn't participate, in the "If I am Mafia/Mason, I (do/don't) suspect my teammate" thingy, which just seems to suggest if there is illuminati in the mafia its probably Renegade.

And if its renegade, then it 100% cannot be his mafia teammate that's illuminati. Therefore, if !Scum MZ then MM is basically spewed town from that in all setup worlds.

But, as I've said, I haven't thought about MM too much. Often times that happens because nothing really pings me as scummy from them, or that I've been too lazy to fully read their (usually) paragraphs-long posts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yzb25]Here's how I think we should do this - We lynch renegade today, and then martin can shoot his check Auwt at night. Then, we try to be on for daystart tomorrow and lynch bakermir before mike can change the vote count for mayor (to avoid any mayor snipe shenaniganry). After that, I'm inclined to believe the illuminati is MM, but that doesn't matter. If all the mafias are dead, the final illuminati will have at most 2 votes with 4 players remaining. Martin can literally check all the remaining players one after the other before directing the final lynch.[/QUOTE]

Just to check, you good with this plan?

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Well, most of it is based off on the MZ + MM interactions earlier on D1. I don't think scum usually creates or gets into that kind of situation often. However, MZ (your slot) is being suspected as of late as a partner to Rene and I think he was the one who started saying he was mind-melding with MM a lot. Which could lend itself to being a possible scum fabrication of a "mindmeld" when it really wasn't.

But, If MZ (your slot) is scum with Renegade as mafia alignment then honestly I think it looks better on MM because I think scum wouldn't open-wolf like that together. It would also imply, if there's illuminati, that MM isn't illuminati because fmpov since Renegade didn't participate, nor explain why he didn't participate, in the "If I am Mafia/Mason, I (do/don't) suspect my teammate" thingy, which just seems to suggest if there is illuminati in the mafia its probably Renegade.

And if its renegade, then it 100% cannot be his mafia teammate that's illuminati. Therefore, if !Scum MZ then MM is basically spewed town from that in all setup worlds.

But, as I've said, I haven't thought about MM too much. Often times that happens because nothing really pings me as scummy from them, or that I've been too lazy to fully read their (usually) paragraphs-long posts.

Originally Posted by yzb25

Here's how I think we should do this - We lynch renegade today, and then martin can shoot his check Auwt at night. Then, we try to be on for daystart tomorrow and lynch bakermir before mike can change the vote count for mayor (to avoid any mayor snipe shenaniganry). After that, I'm inclined to believe the illuminati is MM, but that doesn't matter. If all the mafias are dead, the final illuminati will have at most 2 votes with 4 players remaining. Martin can literally check all the remaining players one after the other before directing the final lynch.

Just to check, you good with this plan?

The reason for shooting Auwt is, as was pointed out, if renegade is non-illuminati mafia the remaining illuminati mafia could pick off a town, make the game 3v3, and really fuck us up.

The reason for shooting Auwt is, as was pointed out, if renegade is non-illuminati mafia the remaining illuminati mafia could pick off a town, make the game 3v3, and really fuck us up.

To be honest, I was trying to be deliberately non-commital with my vote / beliefs about illuminati. But having thought about the town's position, I no longer think that's necessary. We're in a very good spot here.

I do believe there is an illuminati, yes. In fact, I'd be rather surprised if there wasn't, simply because of Auwt's behaviour. I find it really difficult to imagine a world where Auwt isn't caught scum by the way he's been acting. I'd expect town to be a lot more flustered / indignant and trying to "prove their townyness rn" and trying to build new scumreads after the death of Frinckles. Auwt has seemingly silently resigned themselves to the check - and made no effort during this ample time to do anything meaningful. I also trust the instincts of dead comrade Frinckles (may he forever live on in our hearts). The scumread on Auwt was the one substantive position he took in life, so we should honour it following his death ^^.

Here's how I think we should do this - We lynch renegade today, and then martin can shoot his check Auwt at night. Then, we try to be on for daystart tomorrow and lynch bakermir before mike can change the vote count for mayor (to avoid any mayor snipe shenaniganry). After that, I'm inclined to believe the illuminati is MM, but that doesn't matter. If all the mafias are dead, the final illuminati will have at most 2 votes with 4 players remaining. Martin can literally check all the remaining players one after the other before directing the final lynch.

In light of that, if anyone has any wish to defend Bakermir or Auwt (which really doesn't seem to be the case), now is the time to state your case. My vote is nominally on renegade, but I will not place the vote until 1:30AM UTC (unless everyone confirms they have nothing more to add).

To be honest, I was trying to be deliberately non-commital with my vote / beliefs about illuminati. But having thought about the town's position, I no longer think that's necessary. We're in a very good spot here.

I do believe there is an illuminati, yes. In fact, I'd be rather surprised if there wasn't, simply because of Auwt's behaviour. I find it really difficult to imagine a world where Auwt isn't caught scum by the way he's been acting. I'd expect town to be a lot more flustered / indignant and trying to "prove their townyness rn" and trying to build new scumreads after the death of Frinckles. Auwt has seemingly silently resigned themselves to the check - and made no effort during this ample time to do anything meaningful. I also trust the instincts of dead comrade Frinckles (may he forever live on in our hearts). The scumread on Auwt was the one substantive position he took in life, so we should honour it following his death ^^.

Here's how I think we should do this - We lynch renegade today, and then martin can shoot his check Auwt at night. Then, we try to be on for daystart tomorrow and lynch bakermir before mike can change the vote count for mayor (to avoid any mayor snipe shenaniganry). After that, I'm inclined to believe the illuminati is MM, but that doesn't matter. If all the mafias are dead, the final illuminati will have at most 2 votes with 4 players remaining. Martin can literally check all the remaining players one after the other before directing the final lynch.

In light of that, if anyone has any wish to defend Bakermir or Auwt (which really doesn't seem to be the case), now is the time to state your case. My vote is nominally on renegade, but I will not place the vote until 1:30AM UTC (unless everyone confirms they have nothing more to add).

It's already v late. For now, ima head to bed. I'll reply to responses when I wake, and do some computations.

I'm used to being in invisible mode, sorry ^^.

It's already v late. For now, ima head to bed. I'll reply to responses when I wake, and do some computations.

I'm used to being in invisible mode, sorry ^^.

The Q is whether there really is an illuminati (and I suppose will remain the Q for the rest of the game).

I could still be swayed either way, but various things indicate to me that there [I]is[/I] an illuminati. But I'll abstain from final judgement for now.

The Q is whether there really is an illuminati (and I suppose will remain the Q for the rest of the game).

I could still be swayed either way, but various things indicate to me that there is an illuminati. But I'll abstain from final judgement for now.

[I]ahem[/I]

[SIZE=4]I am sheriff, Renegade is mafia[/SIZE]

(for realzies this time)

ahem

I am sheriff, Renegade is mafia

(for realzies this time)

[MENTION=29012]Auwt[/MENTION]

Fine, I will help you out.

By some perverse coincidence, I actually checked renegade last night like mesk falsely claimed, and renegade did appear as mafia.

This is not a second gambit (that would be dumb). This is 100% serious. I tried to crumb yesterday (IRL yesterday) that I was also sheriff when I randomly brought up the possibility of 2 sherrifs to mesk. But I'm awful at softclaims and have no idea whether I did it well.

Anyway, this day is evidently not heading anywhere fast, and there's a good chance I'll be dead tomorrow with a wiped lw. So I may as well reveal this information now. Auwt, if you are town and townread me, you now know renegade is mafia and there is no illuminati. Your objective is clearly to ensure renegade is lynched today.

Perhaps I speak from a tunnel, but I struggle to imagine a world where the scumteam is not mattzed / renegade. Almost the only way matt interacted with renegade was to probe renegade about his voting interests. And it is certainly correct to probe your mafia teammate for their voting interests in this setup (or feign probing). He handled renegade with mitts for the entire day.

@Auwt

Fine, I will help you out.

By some perverse coincidence, I actually checked renegade last night like mesk falsely claimed, and renegade did appear as mafia.

This is not a second gambit (that would be dumb). This is 100% serious. I tried to crumb yesterday (IRL yesterday) that I was also sheriff when I randomly brought up the possibility of 2 sherrifs to mesk. But I'm awful at softclaims and have no idea whether I did it well.

Anyway, this day is evidently not heading anywhere fast, and there's a good chance I'll be dead tomorrow with a wiped lw. So I may as well reveal this information now. Auwt, if you are town and townread me, you now know renegade is mafia and there is no illuminati. Your objective is clearly to ensure renegade is lynched today.

Perhaps I speak from a tunnel, but I struggle to imagine a world where the scumteam is not mattzed / renegade. Almost the only way matt interacted with renegade was to probe renegade about his voting interests. And it is certainly correct to probe your mafia teammate for their voting interests in this setup (or feign probing). He handled renegade with mitts for the entire day.

Let's not forget how matt casually read rene's early play as town for the groundbreaking insight that citi claims are anti-town, and never seriously pushed the slot for the entire game. I have no idea how someone could [I]townread[/I] renegade's early play, putting aside whatever MM read from renegade's stream of consciousness later on.

Let's not forget how matt casually read rene's early play as town for the groundbreaking insight that citi claims are anti-town, and never seriously pushed the slot for the entire game. I have no idea how someone could townread renegade's early play, putting aside whatever MM read from renegade's stream of consciousness later on.

[QUOTE=Mesk514;910915]I have the same thought process as well, however, I just feel like if I was in his position I would have just slapped my vote down between either of us. Either way, both of us are scum from his PoV, why wait til someone else demands he votes? if he was hesitant to vote in the first place, why even slap your vote when called to place one given you're "unsure" which is the best course of action. MZ determined the best course of action for him when he was pinged to vote. not himself.

idk if that makes sense, but it does in my head[/QUOTE]

It does. And it's not the first time he's hopped on a train after being prompted by matt. Matt repeatedly prompted him to vote DM and he eventually got on in response to one prompt. He hopped on frinckles yesterday when MZ was the primary train.

Rene been matt's bitch

Originally Posted by Mesk514

I have the same thought process as well, however, I just feel like if I was in his position I would have just slapped my vote down between either of us. Either way, both of us are scum from his PoV, why wait til someone else demands he votes? if he was hesitant to vote in the first place, why even slap your vote when called to place one given you're "unsure" which is the best course of action. MZ determined the best course of action for him when he was pinged to vote. not himself.

idk if that makes sense, but it does in my head

It does. And it's not the first time he's hopped on a train after being prompted by matt. Matt repeatedly prompted him to vote DM and he eventually got on in response to one prompt. He hopped on frinckles yesterday when MZ was the primary train.

Rene been matt's bitch

Format "I do not suspect my teammate is illuminati"

"I suspect my teammate may be illuminati"

If you're mason, you can answer the corresponding way for mason, too. May as well make this multi-purpose.

Format "I do not suspect my teammate is illuminati"

"I suspect my teammate may be illuminati"

If you're mason, you can answer the corresponding way for mason, too. May as well make this multi-purpose.

baker too, but I'll let him catch up.

baker too, but I'll let him catch up.

[MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION] [MENTION=30852]Renegade[/MENTION]

It's kinda lame, but I'd appreciate it if you took part in this:

[QUOTE=yzb25;910721]I agree that addressing the illuminati threat takes priority, regardless of the veracity of mesk's claim.

the mafia had a discord chat with their teammate all night. Unless the hypothetical illuminati-mafia was very cautious, the mafia teammate should have some suspicion on their teammate if the teammate is indeed illuminati.

If there is an illuminati, then the mafia and the town have a common vested interest for the mafia to share their suspicion. But obviously the mafia wouldn't come out and share it because of the possibility of A/D.

This is what I'm wondering - is there some way of facilitating mafia to reveal that information without outing themselves? Perhaps we could all state a "peek" if we are mafia. I know in a normal game that sounds utterly absurd but I think it may make sense here.

[I]"If I am mafia, I do not think my teammmate is illuminati."[/I]

literally that?[/QUOTE]

I don't see how answering either way could be seen as AI.

@Stealthbomber16 @Renegade

It's kinda lame, but I'd appreciate it if you took part in this:

Originally Posted by yzb25

I agree that addressing the illuminati threat takes priority, regardless of the veracity of mesk's claim.

the mafia had a discord chat with their teammate all night. Unless the hypothetical illuminati-mafia was very cautious, the mafia teammate should have some suspicion on their teammate if the teammate is indeed illuminati.

If there is an illuminati, then the mafia and the town have a common vested interest for the mafia to share their suspicion. But obviously the mafia wouldn't come out and share it because of the possibility of A/D.

This is what I'm wondering - is there some way of facilitating mafia to reveal that information without outing themselves? Perhaps we could all state a "peek" if we are mafia. I know in a normal game that sounds utterly absurd but I think it may make sense here.

"If I am mafia, I do not think my teammmate is illuminati."

literally that?

I don't see how answering either way could be seen as AI.

are ppl okay with being on at the new EOD? I think it hits some time in the late morning / noon for you Americans now. Should we try to arrange a lynch a little earlier?

are ppl okay with being on at the new EOD? I think it hits some time in the late morning / noon for you Americans now. Should we try to arrange a lynch a little earlier?

[MENTION=29012]Auwt[/MENTION] if you are town, you are in a unique position to aid us, because you mechanically know far more about the true nature of this setup than any other town (likely), and you also have no need to be paranoid of half the players.

You should be sharing and pushing your mafia reads, while trying to swat down tinfoil conspiracies about illuminati groupings.

@Auwt if you are town, you are in a unique position to aid us, because you mechanically know far more about the true nature of this setup than any other town (likely), and you also have no need to be paranoid of half the players.

You should be sharing and pushing your mafia reads, while trying to swat down tinfoil conspiracies about illuminati groupings.

aight. I'm going to bed. pls be careful about voting cuz hypothetical loomynati may have scheduled times to check in and all speedvote. nn

aight. I'm going to bed. pls be careful about voting cuz hypothetical loomynati may have scheduled times to check in and all speedvote. nn

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;910741]This seems like a good idea

I don't see any harm in it, and anyone not participating in that may as well be seen as pro-illuminati/scum.

Obviously, I [I]can't[/I] participate on that since we all know I'm the CT.[/QUOTE]

[I][SIZE=3]If I am mafia, I confirm I had no suspicions of my mafia partner.[/SIZE][/I]

Well even if it's useless I agree I can't see a way it would hurt so I think we should do it.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

This seems like a good idea

I don't see any harm in it, and anyone not participating in that may as well be seen as pro-illuminati/scum.

Obviously, I can't participate on that since we all know I'm the CT.

If I am mafia, I confirm I had no suspicions of my mafia partner.

Well even if it's useless I agree I can't see a way it would hurt so I think we should do it.

Did you suspect maybe there was another sheriff checking slots? Or am I totally off here.

Cuz matt seemed like ur biggest scumread and u'd naturally want to check them???

Did you suspect maybe there was another sheriff checking slots? Or am I totally off here.

Cuz matt seemed like ur biggest scumread and u'd naturally want to check them???

[MENTION=28193]Mesk514[/MENTION] if I may ask, why renegade? Wouldn't you want to check a slot that got loads of attention the previous EOD like matt or frinckles so that slot would be resolved and we could move on?

@Mesk514 if I may ask, why renegade? Wouldn't you want to check a slot that got loads of attention the previous EOD like matt or frinckles so that slot would be resolved and we could move on?

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;910731][insert confbias disclosure statement]

Honestly

what if Frinckles was vigilante

I had hoped they wouldn't kill him n1 but

his suggestion for me or question about me to shoot on n1 earlier on D1 seemed odd


The reason why I wonder is because a Vigilante, in any setup, is 100% town (no illuminati counterpart), and considering they can kill I would imagine its more common in illuminati setups than not.

He did claim PR after all, too.[/QUOTE]

I have no idea what he was and I'm extremely frustrated he didn't at least make a roleclaim in his lw.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

[insert confbias disclosure statement]

Honestly

what if Frinckles was vigilante

I had hoped they wouldn't kill him n1 but

his suggestion for me or question about me to shoot on n1 earlier on D1 seemed odd


The reason why I wonder is because a Vigilante, in any setup, is 100% town (no illuminati counterpart), and considering they can kill I would imagine its more common in illuminati setups than not.

He did claim PR after all, too.

I have no idea what he was and I'm extremely frustrated he didn't at least make a roleclaim in his lw.

[QUOTE=yzb25;910721]I agree that addressing the illuminati threat takes priority, regardless of the veracity of mesk's claim.

the mafia had a discord chat with their teammate all night. Unless the hypothetical illuminati-mafia was very cautious, the mafia teammate should have some suspicion on their teammate if the teammate is indeed illuminati.

If there is an illuminati, then the mafia and the town have a common vested interest for the mafia to share their suspicion. But obviously the mafia wouldn't come out and share it because of the possibility of A/D.

This is what I'm wondering - is there some way of facilitating mafia to reveal that information without outing themselves? Perhaps we could all state a "peek" if we are mafia. I know in a normal game that sounds utterly absurd but I think it may make sense here.

[I]"If I am mafia, I do not think my teammmate is illuminati."[/I]

literally that?[/QUOTE]

due to day starting time I always find myself playing this while sleep deprived, but can someone with more brain cells tell me whether this would have any value whatsoever?

Originally Posted by yzb25

I agree that addressing the illuminati threat takes priority, regardless of the veracity of mesk's claim.

the mafia had a discord chat with their teammate all night. Unless the hypothetical illuminati-mafia was very cautious, the mafia teammate should have some suspicion on their teammate if the teammate is indeed illuminati.

If there is an illuminati, then the mafia and the town have a common vested interest for the mafia to share their suspicion. But obviously the mafia wouldn't come out and share it because of the possibility of A/D.

This is what I'm wondering - is there some way of facilitating mafia to reveal that information without outing themselves? Perhaps we could all state a "peek" if we are mafia. I know in a normal game that sounds utterly absurd but I think it may make sense here.

"If I am mafia, I do not think my teammmate is illuminati."

literally that?

due to day starting time I always find myself playing this while sleep deprived, but can someone with more brain cells tell me whether this would have any value whatsoever?

I need to go to bed soon, but regardless of how "obv scum" anyone seems I do [I]not[/I] want to see any speed hammers. There's shit that needs to be settled today, and in spite of what it may seem, noone is confirmed to be the best lynch for the town.

Martin could have recanted last night and gotten executioner on Auwt. It seems v unlikely but possible.

Mesk could have genuinely had a retard moment with the consig thing.

And irrespective of whether Rene is maf it is not necessarily in our best interests to lynch maf.

I need to go to bed soon, but regardless of how "obv scum" anyone seems I do not want to see any speed hammers. There's shit that needs to be settled today, and in spite of what it may seem, noone is confirmed to be the best lynch for the town.

Martin could have recanted last night and gotten executioner on Auwt. It seems v unlikely but possible.

Mesk could have genuinely had a retard moment with the consig thing.

And irrespective of whether Rene is maf it is not necessarily in our best interests to lynch maf.

I agree that addressing the illuminati threat takes priority, regardless of the veracity of mesk's claim.

the mafia had a discord chat with their teammate all night. Unless the hypothetical illuminati-mafia was very cautious, the mafia teammate should have some suspicion on their teammate if the teammate is indeed illuminati.

If there is an illuminati, then the mafia and the town have a common vested interest for the mafia to share their suspicion. But obviously the mafia wouldn't come out and share it because of the possibility of A/D.

This is what I'm wondering - is there some way of facilitating mafia to reveal that information without outing themselves? Perhaps we could all state a "peek" if we are mafia. I know in a normal game that sounds utterly absurd but I think it may make sense here.

[I]"If I am mafia, I do not think my teammmate is illuminati."[/I]

literally that?

I agree that addressing the illuminati threat takes priority, regardless of the veracity of mesk's claim.

the mafia had a discord chat with their teammate all night. Unless the hypothetical illuminati-mafia was very cautious, the mafia teammate should have some suspicion on their teammate if the teammate is indeed illuminati.

If there is an illuminati, then the mafia and the town have a common vested interest for the mafia to share their suspicion. But obviously the mafia wouldn't come out and share it because of the possibility of A/D.

This is what I'm wondering - is there some way of facilitating mafia to reveal that information without outing themselves? Perhaps we could all state a "peek" if we are mafia. I know in a normal game that sounds utterly absurd but I think it may make sense here.

"If I am mafia, I do not think my teammmate is illuminati."

literally that?

[QUOTE=Mesk514;910710]Godfather, consig, same shit[/QUOTE]

what do you propose we do. Should we lynch him.

Originally Posted by Mesk514

Godfather, consig, same shit

what do you propose we do. Should we lynch him.

[MENTION=28193]Mesk514[/MENTION]

[QUOTE=yzb25;910707]how do you know he's consig specifically[/QUOTE]

???

@Mesk514

Originally Posted by yzb25

how do you know he's consig specifically

???

[QUOTE=Mesk514;910704]BTW, sheriff here, Renegade is the consig[/QUOTE]

how do you know he's consig specifically

Originally Posted by Mesk514

BTW, sheriff here, Renegade is the consig

how do you know he's consig specifically

okay, well not having a lynch yesterday was garbage. Info was info. My instinct is to blame MM for not joining the Matt train when it was clear Frinckles wasn't going beyond L-2. Irrespective of his towny play, his decision cost us critical information on a slot he admitted had scumtells regardless of his earlier townread.

But this is also an opportunity to hear a less paniced explanation from mattzed of his actions so there is also opportunity and shit here. And I respect MM could easily "no u" what I just said and say I or others should have hopped on Frinckles. Tho, unless hindsight bias is getting in the way, I think it should be clear frinckles was being his usual slippery meta and there was nothing especially scummy about him.

okay, well not having a lynch yesterday was garbage. Info was info. My instinct is to blame MM for not joining the Matt train when it was clear Frinckles wasn't going beyond L-2. Irrespective of his towny play, his decision cost us critical information on a slot he admitted had scumtells regardless of his earlier townread.

But this is also an opportunity to hear a less paniced explanation from mattzed of his actions so there is also opportunity and shit here. And I respect MM could easily "no u" what I just said and say I or others should have hopped on Frinckles. Tho, unless hindsight bias is getting in the way, I think it should be clear frinckles was being his usual slippery meta and there was nothing especially scummy about him.

If that was all level 6 citizen WIFOM I'll nominate u for mvp in the postgame frinckles

If that was all level 6 citizen WIFOM I'll nominate u for mvp in the postgame frinckles

imagine being useless for an entire day because your playstyle revolves around avoiding the nightkill then getting nightkilled anyway

oh how the great have fallen ^^

imagine being useless for an entire day because your playstyle revolves around avoiding the nightkill then getting nightkilled anyway

oh how the great have fallen ^^

[MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION] [MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION] [MENTION=29012]Auwt[/MENTION]

15 mins to go. If you're still around, now is the time to commit.

@Frinckles @MartinGG99 @Auwt

15 mins to go. If you're still around, now is the time to commit.

[QUOTE=MattZed;910644]On my phone. At this point, I can get behind a Mesk or Frinckles yeet if y’all REALLY think SB is non-Illuminati town.

For the pings on “why did you switch from giving SB a pass to voting for him?” Two reasons: 1. I was hoping we’d have enough pressure to trial one of Mesk/Frinckles/Auwt/yzb, but that didnt happen. 2. I realized the math ONLY supports a no-yeet if I think there’s an Illuminati but the top suspects aren’t in it.[/QUOTE]

[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]

there you have it.

ask and you shall receive.

Originally Posted by MattZed

On my phone. At this point, I can get behind a Mesk or Frinckles yeet if y’all REALLY think SB is non-Illuminati town.

For the pings on “why did you switch from giving SB a pass to voting for him?” Two reasons: 1. I was hoping we’d have enough pressure to trial one of Mesk/Frinckles/Auwt/yzb, but that didnt happen. 2. I realized the math ONLY supports a no-yeet if I think there’s an Illuminati but the top suspects aren’t in it.

@Marshmallow Marshall

there you have it.

ask and you shall receive.