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    Quote Originally Posted by 10000JellyDoughnuts View Post
    Pretty sure I explained everything I could, not sure what you are confused about.


    I'm pretty confident that I'll flip town, so I'm not really worried I'll die. My will gives better reasoning, but I targeted Aporia N1 and received information. I did some calculations in my head, and determine while the slot was scummy, the mechanics track. TL;DR: Less likely scum, I'll be happy to reveal in my will.



    Missed quoting the post, but I think Oliver said Clowns and I have to be scum because opening post says maf don't get daychat, and ours closed middle of day 2? That's a bad argument. If a chat is exclusive to a phase, it doesn't... not be exclusive for half of a phase.
    You are "pretty sure" you flip town?!?
    Claiming coroner now?!??!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    Skipped over some of the most recent posts for now but I just read the attack on Frinckles/Clowns

    And I'm still more than content to stick with Oliver, who I believe has a much stronger case

    If Oliver flips scum, then Frinckles/Clowns becomes less likely

    Because both "town will be shaken and destroyed" and "coaching" must have come from scum chat

    I've narrowed down "coaching" to Aporia.
    Now, if Aporia is scum, then that means the pairing would be Aporia/Clowns/Frinckles
    But then "town being shaken and destroyed," which most likely came from Oliver, isn't possible.

    Also Aporia was replaced by Stealthbomber and I don't see why he'd make an entire case on his other 2 scummates and push them so hard

    But if Oliver flips town, then Frinckles/Clowns is still unlikely

    Because then there's nobody which the "coaching" thing could have come from

    Ultimately, even if I'm wrong about "shaken and destroyed" being from Oliver, it must have at least come from Clowns then. But then Aporia, who is now Stealthbomber, must have written the message about coaching. And as I covered before, it's extremely unlikely that he wrote an entire case on the rest of his scumteam and is pushing them so hard

    That was a little messy but I'm sure I got the general point across

    Frinckles/Clowns isn't possible here, and Oliver is still the best lynch by far
    Bruh.
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    Ez first try
    And you failed hammering
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    -vote 10000jellydoughnuts
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    Remember they said that their chat went to mid d2?!?
    And now look at the op sayin only night chat is a thing
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    Wait omg
    Jelly and clowns are scum
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    Ok yeah that aint fittin
    Smbdy neut x scum
    Or atleast fakeclaim in private chat
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    Rookie: "omg halp im so new and i was sussed and he voted me and wants a read list"
    Exp scum :" dw man "
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    Then anybody would say it.
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    What if it was directed to smbdy really new?
    Like from the sc2 community like drizzt or tauntshaman or ashoka??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    Ayo just got online and reading up rn

    The "coaching" thing wasn't from my chat lol

    I can tell y'all who it was with if you want. We didn't talk about anything important
    Unless you consider robbing the First National Bank of America important, idk I don't judge

    As for who the coaching did come from, I'll state it once more:
    1. It had to have come from scumchat
    2. Aporia's the only plausible person I can see using it.

    I don't know why you'd think it isn't "Aporia's way of typing" to use the word coaching. Imo Aporia's typing style fits the bill perfectly. Iirc coaching was used mostly in older games. Clowns isn't experienced enough to coach and hasn't even really seen the word come up often. Jelly knows of the word but I can't see any situation in which Jelly would coach someone. It's unlike her. But Aporia is 100% someone who I could see using the word "coaching" unironically.
    What happened to me?!? Wasnt i your prime sispect like what 8h ago?!
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    Sub 14 in trainong
    Im happy minded pls dont destroy that
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    Guys maybe some thread consnensus in a lynch ??? Eyyyooooo whos here
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    Its oli moving the attention of this great fing town away!!+!1! Hes suspext1!+!!#&*#*$
    Yeah sure man i aint no clown
    Or coach
    Lurker
    Nor liar
    Not afk nor nai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Do I think that ewian's last will is completely fake? No. Do I think that it's worth spending the entirety of day 3 analyzing and elimming from? Fuck no, that's stupid. We have two and a half days of content to review to make our decision.
    Ah yeah agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    My slot did believe so. I can understand why DW got elimed in a vacuum. I do not understand why DW was elimed over Clowns. But I am always a strong proponent for removing low-activity players on day 1 over "information lynches".



    Key differences here. You have actively voted for Jelly. You have been a strong vocal proponent for eliming Jelly this game. You have not been the same for Clowns.

    I remember giving MM a pass for something during my backread, but I don't remember what it is and you deserve a better answer than "something" so I'll try to go back and find it before EoD.



    Yeah, you could try to argue that I'm on a scum team with Jelly. I think the thing that makes that argument worse than mine is that I have no fucking idea what Jelly is right now. I don't see anything immediately actionably scummy from him, whereas when I reviewed Clowns they had a few posts that I actively disliked. I don't have a scumread on Jelly that I'm idling on, whereas you do have a self confessed scumread on Clowns that you have not pursued once this game.


    Has anybody here considered that the information in ewian's last will might not be reliable, complete or actionable? He's scum. He gets no benefit for aiding town. I could see myself putting a bunch of fake shit in my will to troll town if I were a neutral. I feel like that's something I have already done.
    A. He had no wincon
    B. Hola and jmw were proven
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    So ill just keep short and simple because I'm formatting this on the phone.


    DW was scummy. Scummy people get pushed off cliffs. I thought so, Jelly thought so, your slot thought so. Even Eevee/MM(*?) believed so. Clowns was virtually non-existent D1 besides a shitty reads list that I wrote off as trolling/"leave me alone until D2". It could have been Tauntshaman or Drizzt(snom) in that position and I would have done the exact same thing. Hell we even talked about the issues that always happen when we lynch afk/troll slots so why the fuck would I vote with my fos (Ewian) on one? Ewian was scum btw.

    So when D2 rolled around and jelly/clowns had some whack ass chat yeah, I wasn't very impressed with the slot or my vote the previous day but hindsight is 20/20. I said my bad to DW in spec chat and that's it. We moved on and lynched scum.

    The rest of your post seems like a big mischaracterization of a few things that even you would type from time to time like referring to a player as "this" or generally ignoring a troll slot when you have strong scumreads on other players.

    Swap Jelly out for clowns in your post. Swap me out for MM. Swap me out for yourself etc.

    The thing that feels whack about this is that nearly everything in your post could apply to multiple players, including yourself. Like the votes, or the lack of interaction, or the lack of reciprocated reads etc.

    If you want to yeet clowns, go for it. It's D3 and I got one scum lynched so far so i know we're not in bad shape. But you need to make a case against Clowns for that and if you can't (and you're actually town) then you need to be looking at what we actually can work with aka, Ewian's LW.
    Agree that it works on everyone
    Tgats why i wanted to do it on mm
    But i gave up
    Not even trying
    Olo
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    Now that we are posting walls
    I wanna do one too
    Lets get MM!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    This seems like a natural transition into revealing the rest of my thoughts.

    I am 99% sure that we are dealing with a Frinckles + TheClowns scumteam.

    Spoiler : Rather large post :
    Point 1: VCA
    I'm coloring these vote counts based on my reads and what we know.

    TheClowns (4 [L-4]):
    jmw, ewianking, deathworlds, MartinGG99

    deathworlds (4 [L-4]):
    10000JellyDoughnuts, Frinckles, Aporia, TheClowns

    Tauntshaman (2 [L-6]):
    Marshmallow Marshall, Bakura1

    Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-7]):
    oliverz144

    Frinckles (1 [L-7]):
    Mreevee

    Bakura1 (1 [L-7]):
    Tauntshaman

    Notable part of this vote count is that Frinckles specifically voted DW over TheClowns at EoD1, forcing a tie and saving Clowns. Frinckles had 0 interaction with Clowns earlier in the day.

    Ewianking (5 [L-2]):
    10000JellyDoughnuts, MartinGG99, jmw, Frinckles, Aporia

    10000JellyDoughnuts (5 [L-2]):
    Marshmallow Marshall, Ashoka Tano, ewianking, Mreevee, Bakura1

    Marshmallow Marshall (1 [L-6]):
    oliverz144

    Notably there is no clowns vote here, but they did attempt to capitalize on the early elim day 2 (albiet to no benefit).

    I think both of these vote counts point to an extremely likely Frinckles/Clowns/(Ashoka, MM) team.

    Point 2: Frinckles to Clowns interactions

    Neither Frinckles nor Clowns have had any actual interaction with each other all game. I think this is because Clowns has been on the hot seat for most of the game and Frinckles is afraid of putting too much pressure on them. Frinckles first acknowledgement of Clowns was at the end of day 1. And it lead to nothing.

    This is Frinckles responding negatively to Clowns' reads list on day 1. Frinckles proceeded to choose to keep Clowns alive over tying the vote with DW.


    Frinckles' next interaction with Clowns happens on day 2 when he corrects a mechanical mistake Clowns makes.


    Frinckles explains his reasoning for voting clowns, which completely overlooks the major point that I, my previous self, several other people, and himself pointed out for being a major reason to elim clowns at the end of day 1- the terrible reads list. Something that a lot of newer or less experienced scum players will struggle with is creating a fake reads list. Clowns' reads list is objectively pretty terrible. Quite simply, I think Frinckles is a good enough player to recognize that and capitalize on it. This is not a very good justification of the vote.


    Frinckles' next interaction with clowns, a completely empty post.

    And that's it. That's every post Frinckles has made in relation to Clowns. All four of them. There's another post justifying his vote on DW but it doesn't actually focus on Clowns at all. It's like he's viewing keeping Clowns alive as keeping a slot alive rather than keeping a player alive. That is not a pro-town POV.

    3. Clowns to Frinckles interactions

    I've already written about why Clowns is independently scummy in reference to their one addition to day 1, an absolutely abysmal reads list. I will not be covering that again here. Go find that post, I've made like 10, it won't be hard. I will be focusing on Clowns in relation to Frinckles.


    I've covered extensively why Clowns' reads list is terrible at this point, but this absolutely nothingburger of a read of Frinckles doesn't feel very genuine to me. I'd love to hear with other Hypixelians thought about Frinckles after day 1 and whether your views align with this.

    Clowns proceeds to never acknowledge Frinckles again until day 3, where they say these things


    A scumread that appears to have materialized out of thin air. I take issue with this. There is no thought process here. My theory is that they decided they needed to be bussing Frinckles because Frinckles was bussing them.


    If anyone has any questions about this please ask. I will be here for EoD.
    -vote theclowns
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    Also Oliver just has not been getting any better

    he's basically disappeared compared to his D1/what I'd expect from T!Oliver at this point
    Duh. Maybe because its 2 AM FOR ME
    and im getting a neew kitchen ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    Oliver's been overly defensive, his thread presence has diminished significantly since D1, and overall his tone is just hedgy/more in line with his scum self.

    Additionally, his attempt at eliminating the idea that he could've written the "town will be shaken and destroyed" was awful and just makes him seem like scared scum

    I can link the posts where I go over it in more detail if you want, but that's the rundown


    What is this hot garbage?
    Whahahat?!?!??!?
    Diminishin presence?! R u ok!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw View Post
    Maybe Stealthbomber and Martin?

    It's been a minute since I've been in a mafia game with temporary chat creating roles so I'm not too sure on whether pairing with the same townreads would be better or chatting with new people. I'm inclined to say new people as it can help develop reads.

    I'm pretty solid on T!Martin but the mech can be useful. Considering it's a 3 person chat and mech discussion might be risky, either MM + Martin for mech discussion, or Stealthbomber and (Jelly/Bakura) to help me read them.

    Up to you but I'm down for a chat with basically anyone. I guess final answer is a pair of MM/Martin or Stealthbomber/Jelly?
    Me me me
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw View Post
    Okay, regarding Ewian's will, this is some of the message analysis from my LW but slightly modified:

    I am 90% on n2, either jmw targeted mm with an action, mm targeted jmw with an action, or scum targeted scum with an action - I'm assuming he actually means N1 here? Since N2 hadn't even happened yet. The reason he mentioned me, MM, or scum is most likely because until D2, it was not known that there had been chats other than MM/me and the scumchat. I don't know what this comes from, most the fruit chat message? MM did ask me if I wanted to receive a fruit from him, and I said yes.

    one of the msgs I received was hola, I would look into people who use that phrase - this almost definitely refers to Bakura, he's referenced spanish several times this game. p#525 both demonstrates this and claims he was in a chat, so this is something that needs to be looked at D3.

    Someone said I won’t let it get smth far once more so dunno what it means - I don't know what this comes from, but doesn't look like anything from mine and MM's chat.

    Seems like there was an explaination because someone said smth made sense - could be from my chat with MM. As I mentioned before, MM initially didn't know the cause of the chat and responded with "makes sense" when I told him AT claimed it in thread. The full message was actually "makes sense, I'll put it in then", referring to his will, so this message might not have come from our chat, or Ewian didn't get all of it, or Ewian cut that part out.

    I’m assuming this msg is a ghost because they were like: I HaVE BECOME FREe of EARTH or smth - I don't know if Ewian can see spectator chat, seeing chats at all is probably way more than 2/10 on a bastard scale, but could come from spec chat. I would expect a roleplay-ish message like this one not to come from Eevee or Aporia. I can see this type of message coming from Jelly, Clowns (both heads, Fishy and CJ), Oliver, or Bakura. Might not be important but that's who I think would/wouldn't say that.

    Scum chat: what’s up my scum mates in arms as in more than one so there is 3 or more - this comment reads like a Bakura comment honestly. "scum mates in arms" is definitely *not* something Aporia would say, I doubt Eevee would say it but not impossible. Like the ghost comment, could be Oliver/Bakura/Clowns/Jelly if it's from a hypixel player.

    Want to have my fruit, is a phrase only from a fruit vendor - this came from my chat with MM. I don't want to expose MM's role but this message is already out. The wording isn't 100% the same so I assume Ewian is paraphrasing. MM gave me a fruit N1.

    Someone said they got Todd howarded - no idea what this means. I searched for "todd howard" and he's a game designer, if I had to guess as to the origin of this it's referring to Todd Howard's tendency to lie/oversell, but I don't know what the origin is. Could come from scum chat, so keep in mind people that know of todd howard and would send a message like this.

    someone said they would blend their shoe and consume it (I don’t know who tf posted this but it is funny)I am 99% sure this comes from the jmw mm chat - did not come from my chat with MM. No idea where this came from, I did say in champs that I would cook and eat my shoe live if I was wrong, so it's possible a hypixelian spectating picked up on that?

    Deathproof suicidal town alt - No idea what this means, possible fakeclaim or just memeing? Deathproof and suicidal modifiers are usually attached to joke claims. Not from my chat with MM.

    Sure they will mention smth by eod3 - Future planning? My first thought is scum planning around town noticing something by EoD3 and doing something about it. Not from my chat with MM.

    Paraphrasing , let’s create an alliance I will coach and protect you, we vote together, join me and town will be shaken and destroyed - Reads like a neutral, I suspect a Mentor role. It explicitly references coaching, I don't know if that terminology is common here but it very much so is on HPM. The "town will be shaken and destroyed" is not something that ever comes from Aporia or Eevee. The pool of players I'd suspect is the same one I mentioned in earlier messages - HPM players more likely to play along with lore / roleplay in messages. Bakura is prime suspect here. Not from my chat with MM.

    Someone will claim hider - Most likely scumchat setting up a fakeclaim, be wary of roles that can act like hiders or emulate hider properties (a commuter mayhaps). Not from my chat with MM.

    A scum did not show up for day startThis elims MartinEeveeDrizzt MeAnd clowns from being mafia A - I'm assuming Ewian saw a message saying a scum didn't show up for day start. This isn't useful immediately but can definitely be helpful later on, so don't forget this.
    Eminem has a todd howarded line i think
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    Maaaaan why do yall portray me a clownish son of a b
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw View Post
    Okay, regarding Ewian's will, this is some of the message analysis from my LW but slightly modified:

    I am 90% on n2, either jmw targeted mm with an action, mm targeted jmw with an action, or scum targeted scum with an action - I'm assuming he actually means N1 here? Since N2 hadn't even happened yet. The reason he mentioned me, MM, or scum is most likely because until D2, it was not known that there had been chats other than MM/me and the scumchat. I don't know what this comes from, most the fruit chat message? MM did ask me if I wanted to receive a fruit from him, and I said yes.

    one of the msgs I received was hola, I would look into people who use that phrase - this almost definitely refers to Bakura, he's referenced spanish several times this game. p#525 both demonstrates this and claims he was in a chat, so this is something that needs to be looked at D3.

    Someone said I won’t let it get smth far once more so dunno what it means - I don't know what this comes from, but doesn't look like anything from mine and MM's chat.

    Seems like there was an explaination because someone said smth made sense - could be from my chat with MM. As I mentioned before, MM initially didn't know the cause of the chat and responded with "makes sense" when I told him AT claimed it in thread. The full message was actually "makes sense, I'll put it in then", referring to his will, so this message might not have come from our chat, or Ewian didn't get all of it, or Ewian cut that part out.

    I’m assuming this msg is a ghost because they were like: I HaVE BECOME FREe of EARTH or smth - I don't know if Ewian can see spectator chat, seeing chats at all is probably way more than 2/10 on a bastard scale, but could come from spec chat. I would expect a roleplay-ish message like this one not to come from Eevee or Aporia. I can see this type of message coming from Jelly, Clowns (both heads, Fishy and CJ), Oliver, or Bakura. Might not be important but that's who I think would/wouldn't say that.

    Scum chat: what’s up my scum mates in arms as in more than one so there is 3 or more - this comment reads like a Bakura comment honestly. "scum mates in arms" is definitely *not* something Aporia would say, I doubt Eevee would say it but not impossible. Like the ghost comment, could be Oliver/Bakura/Clowns/Jelly if it's from a hypixel player.

    Want to have my fruit, is a phrase only from a fruit vendor - this came from my chat with MM. I don't want to expose MM's role but this message is already out. The wording isn't 100% the same so I assume Ewian is paraphrasing. MM gave me a fruit N1.

    Someone said they got Todd howarded - no idea what this means. I searched for "todd howard" and he's a game designer, if I had to guess as to the origin of this it's referring to Todd Howard's tendency to lie/oversell, but I don't know what the origin is. Could come from scum chat, so keep in mind people that know of todd howard and would send a message like this.

    someone said they would blend their shoe and consume it (I don’t know who tf posted this but it is funny)I am 99% sure this comes from the jmw mm chat - did not come from my chat with MM. No idea where this came from, I did say in champs that I would cook and eat my shoe live if I was wrong, so it's possible a hypixelian spectating picked up on that?

    Deathproof suicidal town alt - No idea what this means, possible fakeclaim or just memeing? Deathproof and suicidal modifiers are usually attached to joke claims. Not from my chat with MM.

    Sure they will mention smth by eod3 - Future planning? My first thought is scum planning around town noticing something by EoD3 and doing something about it. Not from my chat with MM.

    Paraphrasing , let’s create an alliance I will coach and protect you, we vote together, join me and town will be shaken and destroyed - Reads like a neutral, I suspect a Mentor role. It explicitly references coaching, I don't know if that terminology is common here but it very much so is on HPM. The "town will be shaken and destroyed" is not something that ever comes from Aporia or Eevee. The pool of players I'd suspect is the same one I mentioned in earlier messages - HPM players more likely to play along with lore / roleplay in messages. Bakura is prime suspect here. Not from my chat with MM.

    Someone will claim hider - Most likely scumchat setting up a fakeclaim, be wary of roles that can act like hiders or emulate hider properties (a commuter mayhaps). Not from my chat with MM.

    A scum did not show up for day startThis elims MartinEeveeDrizzt MeAnd clowns from being mafia A - I'm assuming Ewian saw a message saying a scum didn't show up for day start. This isn't useful immediately but can definitely be helpful later on, so don't forget this.
    Ive also never been roleplay ish like free from earth
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw View Post
    Okay, regarding Ewian's will, this is some of the message analysis from my LW but slightly modified:

    I am 90% on n2, either jmw targeted mm with an action, mm targeted jmw with an action, or scum targeted scum with an action - I'm assuming he actually means N1 here? Since N2 hadn't even happened yet. The reason he mentioned me, MM, or scum is most likely because until D2, it was not known that there had been chats other than MM/me and the scumchat. I don't know what this comes from, most the fruit chat message? MM did ask me if I wanted to receive a fruit from him, and I said yes.

    one of the msgs I received was hola, I would look into people who use that phrase - this almost definitely refers to Bakura, he's referenced spanish several times this game. p#525 both demonstrates this and claims he was in a chat, so this is something that needs to be looked at D3.

    Someone said I won’t let it get smth far once more so dunno what it means - I don't know what this comes from, but doesn't look like anything from mine and MM's chat.

    Seems like there was an explaination because someone said smth made sense - could be from my chat with MM. As I mentioned before, MM initially didn't know the cause of the chat and responded with "makes sense" when I told him AT claimed it in thread. The full message was actually "makes sense, I'll put it in then", referring to his will, so this message might not have come from our chat, or Ewian didn't get all of it, or Ewian cut that part out.

    I’m assuming this msg is a ghost because they were like: I HaVE BECOME FREe of EARTH or smth - I don't know if Ewian can see spectator chat, seeing chats at all is probably way more than 2/10 on a bastard scale, but could come from spec chat. I would expect a roleplay-ish message like this one not to come from Eevee or Aporia. I can see this type of message coming from Jelly, Clowns (both heads, Fishy and CJ), Oliver, or Bakura. Might not be important but that's who I think would/wouldn't say that.

    Scum chat: what’s up my scum mates in arms as in more than one so there is 3 or more - this comment reads like a Bakura comment honestly. "scum mates in arms" is definitely *not* something Aporia would say, I doubt Eevee would say it but not impossible. Like the ghost comment, could be Oliver/Bakura/Clowns/Jelly if it's from a hypixel player.

    Want to have my fruit, is a phrase only from a fruit vendor - this came from my chat with MM. I don't want to expose MM's role but this message is already out. The wording isn't 100% the same so I assume Ewian is paraphrasing. MM gave me a fruit N1.

    Someone said they got Todd howarded - no idea what this means. I searched for "todd howard" and he's a game designer, if I had to guess as to the origin of this it's referring to Todd Howard's tendency to lie/oversell, but I don't know what the origin is. Could come from scum chat, so keep in mind people that know of todd howard and would send a message like this.

    someone said they would blend their shoe and consume it (I don’t know who tf posted this but it is funny)I am 99% sure this comes from the jmw mm chat - did not come from my chat with MM. No idea where this came from, I did say in champs that I would cook and eat my shoe live if I was wrong, so it's possible a hypixelian spectating picked up on that?

    Deathproof suicidal town alt - No idea what this means, possible fakeclaim or just memeing? Deathproof and suicidal modifiers are usually attached to joke claims. Not from my chat with MM.

    Sure they will mention smth by eod3 - Future planning? My first thought is scum planning around town noticing something by EoD3 and doing something about it. Not from my chat with MM.

    Paraphrasing , let’s create an alliance I will coach and protect you, we vote together, join me and town will be shaken and destroyed - Reads like a neutral, I suspect a Mentor role. It explicitly references coaching, I don't know if that terminology is common here but it very much so is on HPM. The "town will be shaken and destroyed" is not something that ever comes from Aporia or Eevee. The pool of players I'd suspect is the same one I mentioned in earlier messages - HPM players more likely to play along with lore / roleplay in messages. Bakura is prime suspect here. Not from my chat with MM.

    Someone will claim hider - Most likely scumchat setting up a fakeclaim, be wary of roles that can act like hiders or emulate hider properties (a commuter mayhaps). Not from my chat with MM.

    A scum did not show up for day startThis elims MartinEeveeDrizzt MeAnd clowns from being mafia A - I'm assuming Ewian saw a message saying a scum didn't show up for day start. This isn't useful immediately but can definitely be helpful later on, so don't forget this.
    Whahahat?!?
    @MartinGG99
    Is mm now communicative or fruit vendor?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    what

    well could you at least explain that read to me

    I'll probably leave him alone on the basis that if you're town then I trust your strong reads, given our Bisected Souls game last year
    Omg i love that game
    I played with Lumi
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    You dont believe that yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    More sarcasm. You wrote an entire wall in Spanish. When I saw "Hola" I just laughed.

    Possible Oliver wrote it. That implies he's coaching/protecting somebody then.
    Me?!? Coaching?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    This is a really bad defense as for why you couldn't have written it and honestly makes me think you wrote it

    instead of rejecting the notion that you could've written it, you basically rely on us trusting a story you made about yourself and your typing preferences

    seems more like scum trying to cover their behind but doesn't actually know how to respond to the argument so they just deflect it


    No those were terrible points
    MM probably didn't write it




    reminder that I'm not immediately scum for a townread of Clowns here

    because you seem to keep bringing up that I look really bad for doing so without giving any reasons
    The message was written towards you.
    You are scum and trying to push a mislim on me
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    Mm jmw wouldnt write it
    Clowns jelly wouldnt write it
    XXX to Bakeua? Yes to coaching
    And then it was or is a hpm player
    Or a hpm player mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Ironically enough, MM has a quote from Oliver (about me) in his signature that shows similar energy.

    Don't get me wrong. I COULD type like that, but I'm not really in the destroy everyone mindset this game and my choice of words would be different.
    Lol
    Yea but that was on purpose like a news reporter
    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    yeah "shaken and destroyed" is almost certainly Oliver imo

    it *could* be Clowns, but Oliver is more likely
    d
    Duh show were

    Quote Originally Posted by TheClowns View Post
    You can’t say one flip will help determine a lot of other slots without having SOME sort of read on that slot. Sure, my slot hasn’t been the most active, but if that’s the case then why does my slot determine so many other reads? How does my NAI, lazy, not very active slot help determine a multitude of other slots without even having a read on ourself! It’s trying to pin the lynch on someone without actually giving reasoning.
    hmm

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Too bad, I just said it.

    .
    .
    .

    Okay, for real though:


    It's not really a read on your slot if you flip town or wolf or whatever. Let me elaborate:

    Seeing how people interact with others under certain circumstances can be grounds for a read regardless of whatever you read on another person. In this case, I'm trying to figure out what those circumstances are, in order to better tell X or Y. This is because in one of those cases they have a better knowledge of those circumstances. Thus, saying that won't be useful is just wrong as the relevancy is obvious. Really the only challenge to this could be whether or not I am capable of differing X from Y or Y from X in this.



    In connection to what I've said above, you were nearly yeeted day 1 and almost completely ignored day 2 lol. Practically everyone has interacted with your slot or has said something about it. There can be a lot of analysis, especially if you happen to flip red.

    You also have not really interacted with people except in cases like this in an attempt to either defend yourself or to falsely imply that, on grounds of pure reasoning, that yeeting you is unjustified or unreasonable.



    If you're saying its an unusual yeet, then yes it certainly is.

    But is it a senseless one? No. But people are free to disagree with it, like you obviously for reasons regardless of your alignment.
    Yeah if you arent s/s with everynody then you can tbe in a scumteam
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    its lumi

    not lag
    Sry my old habjt

    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    I can confirm that the "hola" was from me in my private N1 chat
    Who was your chat mate
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    okay over-simplification time

    lets assume MM is scum

    1. I was on MM's case and even when I wasn't I suggest him to be on day 2's agenda
    2. I rarely am on MM's case and so that makes me a more unpredictable situation in MM's eyes

    Your hypothesis suggests MM, with #1 and #2 in mind, wrote this on n1:



    I don't see this being plausible at all. Things only turned out good for MM when I checked him, and he would have to be taking a leap of faith to expect that + JMW's defense in order to save him.
    Hmm
    Bakura has to reveal the other chatter NOW
    -vote BAKURA1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Without delving into your reads yet, I can tell you now I don't speak with that rhetoric.

    "Shaken and destroyed" is a bit cheesy. The theatrics say MM/Bakura/Oliver to me. I can quote theatrical fluff from MM if you'd like.

    -vote Marshmallow Marshall
    Nah man.
    You are EITHER shaked OR destroyed.
    If it is destroyed, then theres nothing to shake.
    If it is just shaked, it is far from being destroyed.
    I didnt know im perceived as theatralic, but im far from having illogical statements.
    Its like "shocked and dead"
    If you are shocked, you are alive. If you are dead, you aint gonna be shocked never again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Ironically I could see SB16 having that sort of energy to say town will be shaken and destroyed (in fact he came into this day with that same sort of energy against scum lol) but he wasnt in the game when Ewian wrote his LW.

    I doubt aporia saying it becauss of thread presence and other issues and Aproia doesn't seem the kind to evaluate themselves as being strong.

    I'm personally seeing it as circumstantial evidence at best though. Chance that Ewian was beingmessed with by the hosts, or even if we know that LW was fullly written by himself. I mean, I could see it being a thematic/flavorful thing to alter the LW a bit given the strangeness kf the role and mentions of "voices".
    That aint bastarrd 2/10 more like 8/10
    Trust me i jnow lag and she wont do such a thing EVER
    She once splved an entire mech game sod 5 with her lw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    Yeah I guess so

    idk if anyone's actually done it though lol
    hasn't come up much, at least not in a long while

    I doubt the word even comes to oliver's mind
    Jelly might coach but I doubt it
    I doubt Clowns would coach as he's probably the least experienced one in scumchat
    Aporia I could see using that word though

    I have almost no experience reading S!Aporia though

    There was one game a while back where he was obvscum by EoD1 but that was a small, HPM-only game where the game overall had a meta and I was in the zone

    Imo stealth's a good hit lynch here
    I was "in the zone"
    Haha watched the star trek episode just yesterday ROFLOL
    also im an esl yes but im not that bad that i dont use the word lol
    I am p sure i used it atleast thrice?!
    Also cj is a good player
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    At HPM we use the word coaching a lot. Idk how often we actually do it, but that was most likely from one of our players. So that would mean it's either Jelly, Clowns, Oliver, or Aporia

    I heavily doubt that Oliver would even use that word though, and I don't think Jelly or Clowns would coach anyone either. I think it's very likely to be Aporia, and Bomber's play here is to quickly get a town leader position.

    Also hecking Eevee why no last will
    I agree.
    Also i think that martin leaving reads behind he didnt state in thread yet is kinda stoopid
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    This maybe isnt a revolutionary take but Martin isnt todays lynch
    I like to postpone difficult questions
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    Im trying out mixed kebab
    As brave and experimental as my fps
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    Man i even had a fakeclaim role pm ready
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Your feedback? Oh no, what shall I do? Guess I gotta full reveal now, but wait, I seem to recall you having a mentor of sorts....



    Oh yeah. The guy who makes fake-claims (namely fake cop-checks and other investigative info) all the time as practically any alignment.
    Having Guillo as my dedicated Mentor would be a honor.
    I simply analysed many scum players movements to get that sheet.

    And yeah, you are right. Good.
    [VOTE]Unvote[/unVOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    What made you specifically choose Martin for whatever this is?

    Not touching your gambit/claim/whatever with a 10 foot pole but your choice of person intrigues me.
    My feedback ?!
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    -vote MARTINGG99
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    @MartinGG99

    CLAIM ALL NIGHT ACTIONS AND ROLE

    NOW
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    w/e not my problrm
    solive this muricans
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    i could go todrizzt maybe
    but hes new so that wouldnt be ok
    frink is v
    ahghghhg mark is con v
    mm aint goig over
    bak is v
    jmw ewi eve all con v
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    w/e
    bb
    cu l8r d3
    dont forget to do last wills
    and lynch scum today
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    DW mechanic speculating isn't weird. It was how he was doing it that made me reconsider how I read his slot.

    The n0 thing was a big one.
    The multi faction thing was another one.
    And there was a third one I forgot.

    If you're saying: Jelly must be scum because meta-wise DW was playing normally and Town!Jelly would not have a reason to come to the conclusion that DW was suspicious -- I disagree. DW deserved that lynch because that shit seemed whack imo. But there are like two other slots who would have been on that wagon if they'd been online. Mreevee and (I think?) MM.

    Though at the same time, you say would have not been on that wagon if you were online. Weird.

    (Hey finally some decent vca)
    dude the day was dead

    36h and 100 posts max

    i posted a lot of shit aswell just so someone would maybe attack me atleast
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10000JellyDoughnuts View Post
    I was placed into a chat with clowns. They claimed to be responsible for it. The chat remains open

    Exactly. I think we got a liar here, suspicious why Clowns didn't CC, but you know...

    Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm hesitant to believe there would be two chats.

    Yea, super busy, but I'llshare what I said to Clowns.

    That's fine. I just wanted the other one to discuss. Aswell as how you feel about Ashoka


    No. Let's avoid clowns for right now.

    Top Town is Clowns and jmw. Aphoria is top scum to me.

    -vote Aphoria
    @10000JellyDoughnuts

    Wanna elaborate?
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