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wolves turned that around really well

[vote]unknown1234[/vote]



what would be the best move here anyway?
I think we could have controlled the switcher maybe and went with DM yeet first? Difficult setup for sure [MENTION=29012]Auwt[/MENTION] well done


I wanted to leave a LW but then I kinda got afraid of helping triad more with one.. so I decided to leave it out because it was like N2 and the game felt like triad weren't sure about every tpr rolecard out there.



gg all

wolves turned that around really well

-vote unknown1234

what would be the best move here anyway?
I think we could have controlled the switcher maybe and went with DM yeet first? Difficult setup for sure @Auwt well done


I wanted to leave a LW but then I kinda got afraid of helping triad more with one.. so I decided to leave it out because it was like N2 and the game felt like triad weren't sure about every tpr rolecard out there.



gg all

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904715]I don't mind either way tbh.

I normally selfishly care about EoD/SoD only if I haven't been townread yet as either alignment LOL.[/QUOTE]

shitpost unlocked

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

I don't mind either way tbh.

I normally selfishly care about EoD/SoD only if I haven't been townread yet as either alignment LOL.

shitpost unlocked

Shall we end the day soon? It works better for me if the day started from now on

Shall we end the day soon? It works better for me if the day started from now on

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904711][vote]Deathworlds[/vote]

Putting them at L-2.

I'm not sure if anybody would have anything to say about my posts or the TvT that went on[/QUOTE]

I am unhappy with that smug butler claim and I am ok with dying instead of revealing a role here and give triad another hand. This is where helz puts himself at opposite of me in alignment with that claim clearance.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

-vote Deathworlds

Putting them at L-2.

I'm not sure if anybody would have anything to say about my posts or the TvT that went on

I am unhappy with that smug butler claim and I am ok with dying instead of revealing a role here and give triad another hand. This is where helz puts himself at opposite of me in alignment with that claim clearance.

I need my chocolate milk

brb

I need my chocolate milk

brb

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904687]Bias can be in the form of pessimism on others as well.

[B]If one cannot understand how one is contributing to the game
[/B]
then you're going to perceive them as being scummy by virtue of utility

or at least that's how it worked for me


If you look at Helz, litterally the only thing holding him back on Naz is the TPR claim lol[/QUOTE]


You are right Martin. Maybe Helz is just goofy and I am goofy but I stand behind my case against him. If he want's to go down that path then I am waiting for more than an "smug emoji" or repeating the mechanical solve we found out drunk and stoned last night LOL


This has nothing to do with me being in their PoE btw.. their posts today just ping me the wrong way and I am not sure if we can explain that as simple as you lay it out here; style difference.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Bias can be in the form of pessimism on others as well.

If one cannot understand how one is contributing to the game

then you're going to perceive them as being scummy by virtue of utility

or at least that's how it worked for me


If you look at Helz, litterally the only thing holding him back on Naz is the TPR claim lol

You are right Martin. Maybe Helz is just goofy and I am goofy but I stand behind my case against him. If he want's to go down that path then I am waiting for more than an "smug emoji" or repeating the mechanical solve we found out drunk and stoned last night LOL


This has nothing to do with me being in their PoE btw.. their posts today just ping me the wrong way and I am not sure if we can explain that as simple as you lay it out here; style difference.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904676]And to emphasize, I don't mean anything bad on Helz

but my last few months of playing Mafia almost constantly has made me more aware of my own biases and etc

and how easy it is to be influenced by them[/QUOTE]

isn't bias itself likely to involve opportunism on the side?

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

And to emphasize, I don't mean anything bad on Helz

but my last few months of playing Mafia almost constantly has made me more aware of my own biases and etc

and how easy it is to be influenced by them

isn't bias itself likely to involve opportunism on the side?

[QUOTE=Helz;904670]Sure:

Me- I remove myself because this is my PoE and I know I am town
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]MattZed- I remove MattZed because I am the Butler and got a N0 peek confirming that he is Town[/COLOR]
deathworlds- Remove him from the PoE because he will be dead in a few hours
Dark Magician- He is gona flip D3 so remove him because this is a PoE for D4
Frinckles- Remove him from the PoE under the almost certainty that Deathworlds will flip Switcher making him mechanically confirmed town
MartinGG99- Remove him from the PoE because the PoE is a mechanical crunch centered around role slots. His role claim has very strong merit as the CC on the D1 train
Naz- Remove her from the d4 PoE because if D4 we lynch a Triad Random Naz then becomes mechanically confirmed

That leaves:
bakermir
FrostByte
yzb25
Unknown1234
Renegade
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]
I then cut out the 2 most widly town read players (Unknown and Yzb25)[/COLOR] and we are left with what I posted. That will certainly shift around a bit after mass claim and has to be done so in connection with that role potential list I made in 1456 but this is how I made that PoE.[/QUOTE]


[COLOR="#FFFF00"]fake news[/COLOR]



you should have kept silent about your poe today.


you have given the perfect targets for a corrupted assessor out there, as well as DH. all of this is very anti-town of you.


I even asked this earlier to see who is going to jump on claim train and people were actually playing it out decently and not revealing for today

Originally Posted by Helz

Sure:

Me- I remove myself because this is my PoE and I know I am town
MattZed- I remove MattZed because I am the Butler and got a N0 peek confirming that he is Town
deathworlds- Remove him from the PoE because he will be dead in a few hours
Dark Magician- He is gona flip D3 so remove him because this is a PoE for D4
Frinckles- Remove him from the PoE under the almost certainty that Deathworlds will flip Switcher making him mechanically confirmed town
MartinGG99- Remove him from the PoE because the PoE is a mechanical crunch centered around role slots. His role claim has very strong merit as the CC on the D1 train
Naz- Remove her from the d4 PoE because if D4 we lynch a Triad Random Naz then becomes mechanically confirmed

That leaves:
bakermir
FrostByte
yzb25
Unknown1234
Renegade

I then cut out the 2 most widly town read players (Unknown and Yzb25) and we are left with what I posted. That will certainly shift around a bit after mass claim and has to be done so in connection with that role potential list I made in 1456 but this is how I made that PoE.

fake news



you should have kept silent about your poe today.


you have given the perfect targets for a corrupted assessor out there, as well as DH. all of this is very anti-town of you.


I even asked this earlier to see who is going to jump on claim train and people were actually playing it out decently and not revealing for today

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904665]Fmpov, Its because helz doesn't get along well with people who don't think or act similarly to him

which is quite natural tbh; i've had games where my only suspects are people who don't have a playstyle similar to mine

[SIZE=1][s]*cough cough bakermir dark magician cough cough*[/s][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

I don't think that's that.

I think Helz panicked today and wanted to stay relevant without arising any suspicions and now can't even explain their PoE but keeps repeating the mechanical solve we found without his help during day 2


so I am not really gonna take that emoji as an excuse for a very sensitive situation here regarding lynch order

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Fmpov, Its because helz doesn't get along well with people who don't think or act similarly to him

which is quite natural tbh; i've had games where my only suspects are people who don't have a playstyle similar to mine

*cough cough bakermir dark magician cough cough*

I don't think that's that.

I think Helz panicked today and wanted to stay relevant without arising any suspicions and now can't even explain their PoE but keeps repeating the mechanical solve we found without his help during day 2


so I am not really gonna take that emoji as an excuse for a very sensitive situation here regarding lynch order

I wanna hear helz why bakermir, Frostbyte and Renegade are first in their PoE SmugPepeSmugPepeSmugPepeSmugPepeSmugPepeSmugPepeSmugPepe

I wanna hear helz why bakermir, Frostbyte and Renegade are first in their PoE

[QUOTE=Helz;904660]Sure.

The way I am looking at it Bakermir, Frostbyte, Renegade, Naz, Unknown, and Yzb25 are mechanically the PoE. Naz can wait for a day because a Triad Random kill mechanically confirms her and I set aside Unknown and Yzb25 for being widly town read.

I suppose you could interchange one of those first three with Yzb25 or Unknown for D4 but I suspect the role claims will do that anyways. If no scum claims a citizen slot 2 names will be removed from those and there will only be 3 names left in the PoE mechanically speaking (and accounting for giving Naz a 1 day pass)

Let me know if I am missing something but I think my logic there is pretty sound.[/QUOTE]


This doesn't explain why bakermir frostbyte and renegade are first in your PoE again

stop dodging helz dammit

Originally Posted by Helz

Sure.

The way I am looking at it Bakermir, Frostbyte, Renegade, Naz, Unknown, and Yzb25 are mechanically the PoE. Naz can wait for a day because a Triad Random kill mechanically confirms her and I set aside Unknown and Yzb25 for being widly town read.

I suppose you could interchange one of those first three with Yzb25 or Unknown for D4 but I suspect the role claims will do that anyways. If no scum claims a citizen slot 2 names will be removed from those and there will only be 3 names left in the PoE mechanically speaking (and accounting for giving Naz a 1 day pass)

Let me know if I am missing something but I think my logic there is pretty sound.

This doesn't explain why bakermir frostbyte and renegade are first in your PoE again

stop dodging helz dammit

[QUOTE=Helz;904656]I thought thats what you were insinuating in your post 1485.


I really think you just need to re-read my posts. The smug emoji has absolutely nothing to do with you being in the PoE. I can just keep repeating that over and over if you would like.

I will also point out that PoE is not in any particular order at all. Its literally just crunching claims and known information to make a list of who will be the ones looked at on D4 (before considering how mass claim will change things around)[/QUOTE]

Helz SmugPepe


With all respect dude, you are the legendary Helz. Is this how you going to slip now?

What is your actual reasoning behind this PoE? Let's hear that out instead of you giving us a peek beyond your slot's obscurity into another obscurity in your head.

Originally Posted by Helz

I thought thats what you were insinuating in your post 1485.


I really think you just need to re-read my posts. The smug emoji has absolutely nothing to do with you being in the PoE. I can just keep repeating that over and over if you would like.

I will also point out that PoE is not in any particular order at all. Its literally just crunching claims and known information to make a list of who will be the ones looked at on D4 (before considering how mass claim will change things around)

Helz


With all respect dude, you are the legendary Helz. Is this how you going to slip now?

What is your actual reasoning behind this PoE? Let's hear that out instead of you giving us a peek beyond your slot's obscurity into another obscurity in your head.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904652]You're right in that it's not a good look

but in the same way with Renegade I just feel like this is bakermir being bakermir (who has used a lot of Pepe avatars in the past).

After all, he was responding to a guy who just admitted to possibly being influenced by beer and going "hahah"; could be perceived as an obvious joke.[/QUOTE]

bro if Frinckles has a beef with me, he is capable of handling that himself. he doesn't need a devil's advocate here

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

You're right in that it's not a good look

but in the same way with Renegade I just feel like this is bakermir being bakermir (who has used a lot of Pepe avatars in the past).

After all, he was responding to a guy who just admitted to possibly being influenced by beer and going "hahah"; could be perceived as an obvious joke.

bro if Frinckles has a beef with me, he is capable of handling that himself. he doesn't need a devil's advocate here

There is nothing transparent about your thought process here helz. I for one don't know if you are goofy or wolfy after that incredibly bad read progression you held against me based on a smug emoji. What are you claiming? Citizen? If that is true then why are you poking another slot for reactions at this point? HMMMMMMM

There is nothing transparent about your thought process here helz. I for one don't know if you are goofy or wolfy after that incredibly bad read progression you held against me based on a smug emoji. What are you claiming? Citizen? If that is true then why are you poking another slot for reactions at this point? HMMMMMMM

[QUOTE=Helz;904646]I am not sure how I can more simply describe that putting you in a PoE is an independent thought process from scum or town reading you. If you have a question feel free to ask it but I feel that my thought process is pretty transparent when you keep it in context. It only does make sense when you take the posts out of context and say [COLOR="#00FF00"]"He town read me here then put me in a PoE."[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Huh?[/COLOR]


Who said that LOL

Originally Posted by Helz

I am not sure how I can more simply describe that putting you in a PoE is an independent thought process from scum or town reading you. If you have a question feel free to ask it but I feel that my thought process is pretty transparent when you keep it in context. It only does make sense when you take the posts out of context and say "He town read me here then put me in a PoE."

Huh?


Who said that LOL

[QUOTE=Helz;904638][COLOR="#AFEEEE"]It just felt kinda tongue in cheek with that Emoji. I am not sure if thats what you intended.[/COLOR]

Well the PoE is very literally a process of elimination. The two main ways people scum hunt is either picking out scum or narrowing down the list of town. I do both, That post I made voicing your reasoning came from a town perspective felt very good and will be something I have to consider if I am still alive D4 [COLOR="#FFA07A"][SIZE=5]but[/SIZE] you existing in the PoE is a separate thought process.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#FFA07A"]Yeah thats a politician's answer though.[/COLOR] [COLOR="#AFEEEE"]I am here to answer any questions but I won't allow such shading.[/COLOR] In the case of you being town, you would never tie your slot to mine in this way. I expect more from you behind this bad emoji push either alignment and if it is as simple as PoE then yours is a guaranteed lose for town.

Originally Posted by Helz

It just felt kinda tongue in cheek with that Emoji. I am not sure if thats what you intended.

Well the PoE is very literally a process of elimination. The two main ways people scum hunt is either picking out scum or narrowing down the list of town. I do both, That post I made voicing your reasoning came from a town perspective felt very good and will be something I have to consider if I am still alive D4 but you existing in the PoE is a separate thought process.

Yeah thats a politician's answer though. I am here to answer any questions but I won't allow such shading. In the case of you being town, you would never tie your slot to mine in this way. I expect more from you behind this bad emoji push either alignment and if it is as simple as PoE then yours is a guaranteed lose for town.

[QUOTE=Helz;904572]This response with the Smug emoji feels bad.[/QUOTE]

Why does it feel bad?


[QUOTE=Helz;904585]After Dark Magician and deathworlds resolution my poe looks like this to start out:

[SIZE=4]bakermir
FrostByte
Renegade[/SIZE]

Naz can wait a day to see if Triad Random flips with the potential of expanding the Poe onto Unknown and Yzb25 based on claims.

Unless I am missing something once citizens clear that effectively places a 4 player POE with 2-3 scum D4 and slightly shifts depending on if we can grab Triad Random to clear Naz.[/QUOTE]

what a read progression. from disliking the smug emoji to number 1 poe


smh helz, thats the worst attack you could have ever made

Originally Posted by Helz

This response with the Smug emoji feels bad.

Why does it feel bad?

Originally Posted by Helz

After Dark Magician and deathworlds resolution my poe looks like this to start out:

bakermir
FrostByte
Renegade

Naz can wait a day to see if Triad Random flips with the potential of expanding the Poe onto Unknown and Yzb25 based on claims.

Unless I am missing something once citizens clear that effectively places a 4 player POE with 2-3 scum D4 and slightly shifts depending on if we can grab Triad Random to clear Naz.

what a read progression. from disliking the smug emoji to number 1 poe


smh helz, thats the worst attack you could have ever made

[QUOTE=MattZed;904506]For the record, I've never claimed to be Locksmith. I think bakermir was just filling that in his role-guesses.[/QUOTE]

yea sorry about that. it was based on what I saw between the messages of people. I am glad you guys cleared that out. I will include you to my ? list

Originally Posted by MattZed

For the record, I've never claimed to be Locksmith. I think bakermir was just filling that in his role-guesses.

yea sorry about that. it was based on what I saw between the messages of people. I am glad you guys cleared that out. I will include you to my ? list

[QUOTE=Helz;904498]I just about guarantee one~

Anyone want to make a ghost pepper bet that DM flips Triad?[/QUOTE]

yo that's wild but i don't have them ;/

Originally Posted by Helz

I just about guarantee one~

Anyone want to make a ghost pepper bet that DM flips Triad?

yo that's wild but i don't have them ;/

yea consider me voting DW near EoD based on the fact that it is a safe non-town elimination.


it is d2 though and we will still have DM to prove their new role tomorrow. not sure if we can cuck the DH again tonight. with a switcher alive, we can keep revealing slots during the day so I kinda have that wet dream of letting the switcher live today and we gamble a bit but I am just a sucker for high risk high reward.


i don't think triad benefits from letting switcher live but yeah im ok with either way.


if DM was town, he should have revealed earlier sooo as for DM i am never trusting him this game

yea consider me voting DW near EoD based on the fact that it is a safe non-town elimination.


it is d2 though and we will still have DM to prove their new role tomorrow. not sure if we can cuck the DH again tonight. with a switcher alive, we can keep revealing slots during the day so I kinda have that wet dream of letting the switcher live today and we gamble a bit but I am just a sucker for high risk high reward.


i don't think triad benefits from letting switcher live but yeah im ok with either way.


if DM was town, he should have revealed earlier sooo as for DM i am never trusting him this game

[QUOTE=Frinckles;904478]If you rolled town you are scummy as shit hahah[/QUOTE]

how so? lol

look where we are now SmugPepe

Originally Posted by Frinckles

If you rolled town you are scummy as shit hahah

how so? lol

look where we are now

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904476]No one has claimed that but Baker.

Probably on the basis of DW's claim of witching Matt onto me on N1.[/QUOTE]

yeah

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

No one has claimed that but Baker.

Probably on the basis of DW's claim of witching Matt onto me on N1.

yeah

[QUOTE=Helz;904456][UNVOTE][/UNVOTE]

I am not in support for cutting another day in half. It would be ok with me if there is no discussion but we have tons of players here and can work on solving other parts of the game.[/QUOTE]

I think DM's silence earlier makes me think we should look into lynching them first but I am just trying to scuff things here so DW is safer lynch DM is high risk high reward

Originally Posted by Helz

-unvote

I am not in support for cutting another day in half. It would be ok with me if there is no discussion but we have tons of players here and can work on solving other parts of the game.

I think DM's silence earlier makes me think we should look into lynching them first but I am just trying to scuff things here so DW is safer lynch DM is high risk high reward

[QUOTE=Helz;904445]Hold off for sure. There is no reason to reveal that information when we can not use it to lynch yet. It just helps the Dragon Head pick his targets.[/QUOTE]

we have so many reveals I think DH is fine tonight with the abundance already.. i was thinking of pushing the scum to panic claim before them having more information

Originally Posted by Helz

Hold off for sure. There is no reason to reveal that information when we can not use it to lynch yet. It just helps the Dragon Head pick his targets.

we have so many reveals I think DH is fine tonight with the abundance already.. i was thinking of pushing the scum to panic claim before them having more information

oberon > bd
frinckles > scientist
martin > bd
naz > stalker
mattz > locksmith
dw > switcher
dm > witch/stalker

baker > ?
unknown1234 > ?
frostbyte > ?
helz > ?
renegade > ?
yzb25 > ?


shall we massclaim? or hold on to that for tomorrow?

oberon > bd
frinckles > scientist
martin > bd
naz > stalker
mattz > locksmith
dw > switcher
dm > witch/stalker

baker > ?
unknown1234 > ?
frostbyte > ?
helz > ?
renegade > ?
yzb25 > ?


shall we massclaim? or hold on to that for tomorrow?

[QUOTE=Renegade;904411]It is so abundantly clear that DW needs to go today that I am very suspicious of anyone not voting him.[/QUOTE]

why the rush again rene

Originally Posted by Renegade

It is so abundantly clear that DW needs to go today that I am very suspicious of anyone not voting him.

why the rush again rene

[unvote][/unvote]

bruh

-unvote

bruh

[QUOTE=Helz;904249]I recognize that they are possible but I just do not see them as likely at all. It would be different if we were in MYLO or something.

As of right now Frinckles is extremely likely town. Our focus should not be on him. There will be time for that after Deathworlds and Dark Magician are sorted and we will have more information on him at that time.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure m8, it all smells very bad to me and still waiting on DM and DW side of the story

Originally Posted by Helz

I recognize that they are possible but I just do not see them as likely at all. It would be different if we were in MYLO or something.

As of right now Frinckles is extremely likely town. Our focus should not be on him. There will be time for that after Deathworlds and Dark Magician are sorted and we will have more information on him at that time.

I am not sure m8, it all smells very bad to me and still waiting on DM and DW side of the story

[QUOTE=Helz;904244]I really don't see a world where Frinckles is lying. The only situation would be if he was the DragonHead who got found and blocked but I do not see this setup running without a scientist so if he had lied about that claim he would be CCed by now.[/QUOTE]

the setup has it under town random, so you can't really dismiss other worlds here. dw lynch is trust fall here and sophisticated scum tend to abuse that.

Originally Posted by Helz

I really don't see a world where Frinckles is lying. The only situation would be if he was the DragonHead who got found and blocked but I do not see this setup running without a scientist so if he had lied about that claim he would be CCed by now.

the setup has it under town random, so you can't really dismiss other worlds here. dw lynch is trust fall here and sophisticated scum tend to abuse that.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904237]I guess pressure voting isn't a thing for you.

Which is fine, I guess. I usually don't pressure vote either.

But if I want to hear more from someone I generally don't attach these words.[/QUOTE]


Because all of them look scummy to me. Other people can vote too m8

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

I guess pressure voting isn't a thing for you.

Which is fine, I guess. I usually don't pressure vote either.

But if I want to hear more from someone I generally don't attach these words.

Because all of them look scummy to me. Other people can vote too m8

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;904226][MENTION=45327]bakermir[/MENTION] what is your thought process on Frinckles as of right now? Just asking because I noticed your vote is still on him.[/QUOTE]

guilty based on the fact that; they have some questionable posts which I don't believe to come from town mindset since some of their arguements are just ad hominem at tis core. Looking at samples from forum games of Frinckles, one could say "TWTBW" for their game so far here.. but, I am not going to let this slide. frinckles is scummy in one world based on their day actions, but town in another world (night). So, I still don't see why a town player TPR or VT turbo the day out?? plus, I feel that the heat on them was justified since it given us a lot of information on multiple slots such as martin, naz, dm, dw and a possible locker. I believed Frinckles to be a possible wolf here based on their position in the game and if they are the scientist then we find that out eventually. I don't mind if you guys want to give him another day here, which is probably what is going to happen if DM or DW doesn't speak up...




[SIZE=4][B]we need to hear from DM and DW before I can move my vote. guilty until proven otherwise.[/B][/SIZE]

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

@bakermir what is your thought process on Frinckles as of right now? Just asking because I noticed your vote is still on him.

guilty based on the fact that; they have some questionable posts which I don't believe to come from town mindset since some of their arguements are just ad hominem at tis core. Looking at samples from forum games of Frinckles, one could say "TWTBW" for their game so far here.. but, I am not going to let this slide. frinckles is scummy in one world based on their day actions, but town in another world (night). So, I still don't see why a town player TPR or VT turbo the day out?? plus, I feel that the heat on them was justified since it given us a lot of information on multiple slots such as martin, naz, dm, dw and a possible locker. I believed Frinckles to be a possible wolf here based on their position in the game and if they are the scientist then we find that out eventually. I don't mind if you guys want to give him another day here, which is probably what is going to happen if DM or DW doesn't speak up...




we need to hear from DM and DW before I can move my vote. guilty until proven otherwise.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;904207][Vote]deathworlds[/vote]

This is how the game plays out.

DW flips switcher
We know DM is triad
Naz is confirmed
I'm confirmed
If im alive, locksmith is confirmed
Martin would probably be confirmed

And the game is basically over. The only thing DH can do is shoot naz if they think they're real or aim for locksmith[/QUOTE]

DW elimination is trust fall here until they speak.

same goes to DM, they need to speak.

We have to consider all possibilities here despite how that day 1 horribly went..

Originally Posted by Frinckles

-vote deathworlds

This is how the game plays out.

DW flips switcher
We know DM is triad
Naz is confirmed
I'm confirmed
If im alive, locksmith is confirmed
Martin would probably be confirmed

And the game is basically over. The only thing DH can do is shoot naz if they think they're real or aim for locksmith

DW elimination is trust fall here until they speak.

same goes to DM, they need to speak.

We have to consider all possibilities here despite how that day 1 horribly went..

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;904136]So that means deathworlds has to be Switcher if Frinckles is telling the truth.[/QUOTE]

>martin busdrives himself with frinckles
>martin claims his target house was locked
>frinckles or martin was locked (this can be confirmed or not, up to locksmith/moulder)
>no triad kill
>frinckles claim DM was switcher once
>naz claim DM visited DW
>DM was "sure" with it


[MENTION=45531]Dark Magician[/MENTION] tell us everything

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

So that means deathworlds has to be Switcher if Frinckles is telling the truth.

>martin busdrives himself with frinckles
>martin claims his target house was locked
>frinckles or martin was locked (this can be confirmed or not, up to locksmith/moulder)
>no triad kill
>frinckles claim DM was switcher once
>naz claim DM visited DW
>DM was "sure" with it


@Dark Magician tell us everything

[QUOTE=Frinckles;904113]do you even know how locksmith/moulder works?[/QUOTE]

how?

Originally Posted by Frinckles

do you even know how locksmith/moulder works?

how?

[QUOTE=Frinckles;904084]Yeah and it got Martin to out too even though it's not a unique role. It was pure fuckery. It was the highest quality of fuckery and it ended how it should have. With his ass in the ground.[/QUOTE]

i agree their play was the worst but some votes on that turbo felt very much ad hominem and not even considering the BD claim or.. ending the day so early we get no more information. I mean, you were so sure the wagon had no scum in it before. do you still believe the same?

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Yeah and it got Martin to out too even though it's not a unique role. It was pure fuckery. It was the highest quality of fuckery and it ended how it should have. With his ass in the ground.

i agree their play was the worst but some votes on that turbo felt very much ad hominem and not even considering the BD claim or.. ending the day so early we get no more information. I mean, you were so sure the wagon had no scum in it before. do you still believe the same?

[QUOTE=Unknown1234;904066]One thing I want to know is why [MENTION=30382]naz[/MENTION] claimed who Dark Magician visited before they had the chance to say something for themselves. IMO that is a big misplay and there was virtually no reason to claim at this point.[/QUOTE]

isn't it better to not drag it? DM is one of the top wagon here and an important piece of the puzzle, with the correct information without speculations, we can all have a fair chance at figuring this out. why would you post this?

Originally Posted by Unknown1234

One thing I want to know is why @naz claimed who Dark Magician visited before they had the chance to say something for themselves. IMO that is a big misplay and there was virtually no reason to claim at this point.

isn't it better to not drag it? DM is one of the top wagon here and an important piece of the puzzle, with the correct information without speculations, we can all have a fair chance at figuring this out. why would you post this?

[QUOTE=FrostByte;904053]Go home, Baker, you're drunk[/QUOTE]

bish

im the drunk guy in front of an apartment in Moscow, 5AM morning.. fighting the scum and making some noise

Originally Posted by FrostByte

Go home, Baker, you're drunk

bish

im the drunk guy in front of an apartment in Moscow, 5AM morning.. fighting the scum and making some noise

holy shit why everyone is so scummy LMAO

holy shit why everyone is so scummy LMAO

i'm lost rn i need to reevaluate this i think

i'm lost rn i need to reevaluate this i think

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904032]Okay.

I tried to bus myself and Frinckles last night.

Meaning there's a slight chance of:

-Operator fucked us over
-If DH did attack, they attacked one of us
-Switcher did try to switch last night, but hit a locked house

etc etc etc


I'm gonna subscribe to occams razor and say the only g00fy thing that happened was DH hitting a locked house, and that locked house may have been mine.[/QUOTE]

ok i came into d2 sober and there was nothing but goofy read lists being posted and goofy frostbyte vs helz going on and now when I am no longer sober, martian drops some xeno stuff..

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Okay.

I tried to bus myself and Frinckles last night.

Meaning there's a slight chance of:

-Operator fucked us over
-If DH did attack, they attacked one of us
-Switcher did try to switch last night, but hit a locked house

etc etc etc


I'm gonna subscribe to occams razor and say the only g00fy thing that happened was DH hitting a locked house, and that locked house may have been mine.

ok i came into d2 sober and there was nothing but goofy read lists being posted and goofy frostbyte vs helz going on and now when I am no longer sober, martian drops some xeno stuff..

[QUOTE=Frinckles;904026]Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.[/QUOTE]

uh oh FeelsBadMan

it was my attempt at linking to my ISO

meh

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

uh oh

it was my attempt at linking to my ISO

meh

[QUOTE=Frinckles;904023]I mean admittedly, I have you marked as scum but I just wanted to know why :3[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3337227[/url]

Originally Posted by Frinckles

I mean admittedly, I have you marked as scum but I just wanted to know why :3

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/searc...archid=3337227

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;904016]Alright. So I've caught up.

I will refrain from announcing who I tried to busdriver on n1 until Auwt answers my question, as that will determine whether I share just one person I targeted or both of them.

[SIZE=1][s]I hope this is the smart move[/s][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

it is the smart move as long as you tell us who did you visit

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Alright. So I've caught up.

I will refrain from announcing who I tried to busdriver on n1 until Auwt answers my question, as that will determine whether I share just one person I targeted or both of them.

I hope this is the smart move

it is the smart move as long as you tell us who did you visit

[QUOTE=Frinckles;904004]dh probably just didn't want to kill a triad on accident.[/QUOTE]

Ay Tone, that's why DH is pseudo vigi

Originally Posted by Frinckles

dh probably just didn't want to kill a triad on accident.

Ay Tone, that's why DH is pseudo vigi

[QUOTE=FrostByte;903989]So if the scientist claim is true, DM was either switcher yesterday or he's switcher today[/QUOTE]

am I wrong about OoO?????

Originally Posted by FrostByte

So if the scientist claim is true, DM was either switcher yesterday or he's switcher today

am I wrong about OoO?????

[QUOTE=yzb25;903986]fyi, Auwt just clarified that despite what the OoO suggests, ppl who just became switchers are included in the scientist count.[/QUOTE]

thats not what I understand from the OoO.

switcher role swap happens last. switchers other actions are before invest actions so invests can still track them but scientist only knows the amount of someone being switcher, in this case DM was switcher once and that is only possible n0-d1 because scientist checked them on n1

Originally Posted by yzb25

fyi, Auwt just clarified that despite what the OoO suggests, ppl who just became switchers are included in the scientist count.

thats not what I understand from the OoO.

switcher role swap happens last. switchers other actions are before invest actions so invests can still track them but scientist only knows the amount of someone being switcher, in this case DM was switcher once and that is only possible n0-d1 because scientist checked them on n1

[QUOTE=Frinckles;903970]DM isn't going to budge. Anyway I found out he's been the switcher one time. Which, if im reading the role correctly means that he is the Switcher, because the original Switcher starts their tally at one?

So he was triad who is now switcher[/QUOTE]

he was switcher yesterday according to OoO and your check

Originally Posted by Frinckles

DM isn't going to budge. Anyway I found out he's been the switcher one time. Which, if im reading the role correctly means that he is the Switcher, because the original Switcher starts their tally at one?

So he was triad who is now switcher

he was switcher yesterday according to OoO and your check

[QUOTE=MattZed;903958]Skimming this on my phone, and have one important question for [MENTION=29012]Auwt[/MENTION]: If a scientist checks someone on the night they BECOME Switcher, what feedback will they get?

Unvoting until I get an answer.

[unvote][/unvote][/QUOTE]


???????

Originally Posted by MattZed

Skimming this on my phone, and have one important question for @Auwt : If a scientist checks someone on the night they BECOME Switcher, what feedback will they get?

Unvoting until I get an answer.

-unvote

???????

[QUOTE=FrostByte;903854]I like to think that if Frinckles were scum he wouldn't show us that much of his hand that quickly but given that scum doesn't know each other, his bullshit claim along with him pocketing people with his friends list might be just the right level of scummy to be signaling other scum.

It was so obvious though that it feels wrong to scumpaint him for it. Buuuut maybe it was supposed to be just a bit obvious in case his fellow scum were a little slow?

idfk, the WIFOM is tripping me up[/QUOTE]

there is no reason for town to behave that way unless you are frinckles right?

thats why I had him on 90% lol

I still think town!Frinckles could have played that waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better

Originally Posted by FrostByte

I like to think that if Frinckles were scum he wouldn't show us that much of his hand that quickly but given that scum doesn't know each other, his bullshit claim along with him pocketing people with his friends list might be just the right level of scummy to be signaling other scum.

It was so obvious though that it feels wrong to scumpaint him for it. Buuuut maybe it was supposed to be just a bit obvious in case his fellow scum were a little slow?

idfk, the WIFOM is tripping me up

there is no reason for town to behave that way unless you are frinckles right?

thats why I had him on 90% lol

I still think town!Frinckles could have played that waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better

also, I didn't read most of d2 posts but I will do so later tonight

also, I didn't read most of d2 posts but I will do so later tonight