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[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;922672]Yes, it is an absolutely mystery he managed to survive that long (and forever) lol. I was quite amazed at poor and GOOFY Varcron getting lynched D2 instead of him.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, I was amazed too

I tunneled wayyyyy too hard on Mike and got myself a bigger target than he did.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Yes, it is an absolutely mystery he managed to survive that long (and forever) lol. I was quite amazed at poor and GOOFY Varcron getting lynched D2 instead of him.

Don't worry, I was amazed too

I tunneled wayyyyy too hard on Mike and got myself a bigger target than he did.

Likely at least two scum voting me, keep that in mind when I flip.

Likely at least two scum voting me, keep that in mind when I flip.

[QUOTE=Helz;922259]Yeah, First thing I did was evaluate if I really would push against your lynch and I figured out I couldn't justify doing as much. Im confident I would have pushed on Renegade in that situation though.

Sorry for the subtle psychological manipulation. I kinda do it without thinking at this point to be honest.[/QUOTE]

I would've answered either way, just makes it a bit easier to answer knowing someone may or may not change depending on the situation.

Originally Posted by Helz

Yeah, First thing I did was evaluate if I really would push against your lynch and I figured out I couldn't justify doing as much. Im confident I would have pushed on Renegade in that situation though.

Sorry for the subtle psychological manipulation. I kinda do it without thinking at this point to be honest.

I would've answered either way, just makes it a bit easier to answer knowing someone may or may not change depending on the situation.

[QUOTE=Helz;922253]Forgot to say it but the 'Bad cop' is the players stacking votes on him to lynch him while I stepped in as the 'good cop' poking at alternative lynch options to leverage a potential for survival while sympathizing with his position and being kind..[/QUOTE]

Options which will likely not happen.

Originally Posted by Helz

Forgot to say it but the 'Bad cop' is the players stacking votes on him to lynch him while I stepped in as the 'good cop' poking at alternative lynch options to leverage a potential for survival while sympathizing with his position and being kind..

Options which will likely not happen.

[QUOTE=Helz;922240]I do appreciate your responding. You did explain why you don't town read him but why exactly do you scum read him over any other player? Was there a specific post or interaction that stood out to you?[/QUOTE]

His interaction D1 with Blink/Mike made me inclined to scumread him with all three of them riding off eachother on my lynch. It didn't seem like a natural progression and I still believe that the sudden townread was really quite strange. Not a great reason except seeing where things are at I think my suspicion could be correct.

Originally Posted by Helz

I do appreciate your responding. You did explain why you don't town read him but why exactly do you scum read him over any other player? Was there a specific post or interaction that stood out to you?

His interaction D1 with Blink/Mike made me inclined to scumread him with all three of them riding off eachother on my lynch. It didn't seem like a natural progression and I still believe that the sudden townread was really quite strange. Not a great reason except seeing where things are at I think my suspicion could be correct.

[QUOTE=Helz;922237]Well a scum Janitor would very much want to stay alive until his charge was used. If a scum player was going to take a risk they would want to have that done prior to taking those risks.

You could equally argue his actions make sense for an actress (which is more probable than heartbreaker as Mike pointed out) but the timing of the Janitor charge used and Oberon going batshit wild lines up.[/QUOTE]

He would've stayed alive either way seeing as the attention for the past day was on me. It wouldn't necessarily have mattered.

[QUOTE=Helz]I have also considered the potential that this being his 2nd game could be a deception although I find that less likely given he came from the mod and if he was to get into forum mafia that it would make sense for him to start by playing here.[/QUOTE]

Most of the mod tricky tactics work here if applied correctly, it's just you have to be in a certain mindset to use them.

Originally Posted by Helz

Well a scum Janitor would very much want to stay alive until his charge was used. If a scum player was going to take a risk they would want to have that done prior to taking those risks.

You could equally argue his actions make sense for an actress (which is more probable than heartbreaker as Mike pointed out) but the timing of the Janitor charge used and Oberon going batshit wild lines up.

He would've stayed alive either way seeing as the attention for the past day was on me. It wouldn't necessarily have mattered.

Originally Posted by Helz

I have also considered the potential that this being his 2nd game could be a deception although I find that less likely given he came from the mod and if he was to get into forum mafia that it would make sense for him to start by playing here.

Most of the mod tricky tactics work here if applied correctly, it's just you have to be in a certain mindset to use them.

[QUOTE=Helz;922234]I don't believe so.

For me and I know at least for Blink its his behavior in context with this being his 2nd ever FM game. The way he has been playing just looks pretty townie to me. I personally do not believe he has some 'hidden information'[/QUOTE]

The problem with only using that to read him is we had the same sort of thing with Martin in his first game (if you played with him)

Very helpful attempting to solve for town, active, townread by everyone

Then at the end of the game he won as scum because he fooled everyone.

Originally Posted by Helz

I don't believe so.

For me and I know at least for Blink its his behavior in context with this being his 2nd ever FM game. The way he has been playing just looks pretty townie to me. I personally do not believe he has some 'hidden information'

The problem with only using that to read him is we had the same sort of thing with Martin in his first game (if you played with him)

Very helpful attempting to solve for town, active, townread by everyone

Then at the end of the game he won as scum because he fooled everyone.

[QUOTE=Helz;922233]A thought occurred to me just now.
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]
If Oberon is scum he could be Janitor. It would make sense that he did not go wild until after the Janitor charge was used...[/COLOR]

Not that it really matters but its notable enough to mention.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#00FFFF"]I don't understand the logic behind this[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Helz

A thought occurred to me just now.

If Oberon is scum he could be Janitor. It would make sense that he did not go wild until after the Janitor charge was used...

Not that it really matters but its notable enough to mention.

I don't understand the logic behind this

[QUOTE=Varcron;922231]Other than willingly trying to lead a random train on D1, I believe that the reason everyone thinks he has "info no one else does" is because he is scum

I don't see how that acting is townie in any ways personally.[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong except that is the main reason he is being townread by everyone, yes?

Originally Posted by Varcron

Other than willingly trying to lead a random train on D1, I believe that the reason everyone thinks he has "info no one else does" is because he is scum

I don't see how that acting is townie in any ways personally.

Correct me if I am wrong except that is the main reason he is being townread by everyone, yes?

[QUOTE=Helz;922230]Could you explain what it is in PQrNHack that makes you scum read them? I lean town there and many players I read as town do as well.[/QUOTE]

Other than willingly trying to lead a random train on D1, I believe that the reason everyone thinks he has "info no one else does" is because he is scum

I don't see how that acting is townie in any ways personally.

Originally Posted by Helz

Could you explain what it is in PQrNHack that makes you scum read them? I lean town there and many players I read as town do as well.

Other than willingly trying to lead a random train on D1, I believe that the reason everyone thinks he has "info no one else does" is because he is scum

I don't see how that acting is townie in any ways personally.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;922085][COLOR="#00FF00"]blinkskater[/COLOR] Holiday Patron
[COLOR="#00FF00"] mike (town aligned neutral)[/COLOR] Lover
[COLOR="#00FF00"] yagami (town aligned neutral)[/COLOR] Angel
[COLOR="#00FF00"]PQR[/COLOR] Holiday Patron / TPR
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Renegade[/COLOR] Holiday Patron/ TPR
[COLOR="#00FF00"]OzyWho[/COLOR] Holiday Patron / TPR
[COLOR="#00FF00"]helz[/COLOR] Holiday Patron / TPR
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Varcron[/COLOR] Consort / Janitor
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Oberon[/COLOR] Actress / Janitor / Consort / Town?
[COLOR="#FF0000"]bakermir[/COLOR] Actress/ Janitor / Consort / Town?
[COLOR="#FF0000"]superjack[/COLOR] Janitor / Consort / Town?

Remember this if I'm dead 2morrow[/QUOTE]

Oo I just caught this

Your one misread likely in this list would be me seeing as I am going to role as [COLOR="#00FF00"]Holiday Patron[/COLOR] in the next 2 hours, as well I think that SJ should be replaced with PQR. I can understand the logic to basically everything else here though.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

blinkskater Holiday Patron
mike (town aligned neutral) Lover
yagami (town aligned neutral) Angel
PQR Holiday Patron / TPR
Renegade Holiday Patron/ TPR
OzyWho Holiday Patron / TPR
helz Holiday Patron / TPR
Varcron Consort / Janitor
Oberon Actress / Janitor / Consort / Town?
bakermir Actress/ Janitor / Consort / Town?
superjack Janitor / Consort / Town?

Remember this if I'm dead 2morrow

Oo I just caught this

Your one misread likely in this list would be me seeing as I am going to role as Holiday Patron in the next 2 hours, as well I think that SJ should be replaced with PQR. I can understand the logic to basically everything else here though.

[QUOTE=Helz;922162][MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION] If you are town and you recognize you are about to be lynched would you like to take a moment to push your reads given in a few hours your flip would give them more significant weight?**^[/QUOTE]

I just posted my reads, you have ~2 hours to question me on them before I likely get lynched.

Originally Posted by Helz

@Varcron If you are town and you recognize you are about to be lynched would you like to take a moment to push your reads given in a few hours your flip would give them more significant weight?**^

I just posted my reads, you have ~2 hours to question me on them before I likely get lynched.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;922139]OK I apologize, I stand corrected on the missing post. There is nothing missing, I intended to reply to these 2 statements by Varcron made in his longer post. My bad. In my original reply, I was trying to quote only a subset of the original post and for some reason it would not publish, then I refreshed and somehow forgot that it was 2 statements @bottom of post and not standalone. Please accept my sincere apology for the false accusation, [MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION][/QUOTE]

You're okay, I went off the deep end for no reason there

I'll release an apology for derailing the game whenever it ends, as it was my fault we went off course for ~30 minutes.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

OK I apologize, I stand corrected on the missing post. There is nothing missing, I intended to reply to these 2 statements by Varcron made in his longer post. My bad. In my original reply, I was trying to quote only a subset of the original post and for some reason it would not publish, then I refreshed and somehow forgot that it was 2 statements @bottom of post and not standalone. Please accept my sincere apology for the false accusation, @Varcron

You're okay, I went off the deep end for no reason there

I'll release an apology for derailing the game whenever it ends, as it was my fault we went off course for ~30 minutes.

[QUOTE=OzyWho;922137][MENTION=8508]SuperJack[/MENTION]
This is your only read in the game?
[SPOILER= ][/SPOILER]

[MENTION=30852]Renegade[/MENTION]
You make posts like these, yet no reasonings or reads lists.
[SPOILER= ]
[/SPOILER]

[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION]
Press Mike's ISO and search for "Lover" - you'll find that he did indeed claim Lover.
Now with that out of the way:
[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Apart from your opinions on PQR's accusations towards you, do you have other reads than Mike=Scum?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#00FFFF"]Yes, yes I do.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Town:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Varcron[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Ozy[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Helz[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#008000"]Town lean:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#008000"]Ren[/COLOR] (still potential scum though)
[COLOR="#008000"]Blink[/COLOR] (same as Ren in this)


[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Null/Still Deciding[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]SJ[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Oberon[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Bake[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#0000FF"]Neutral:[/COLOR]
As much as I still don't like it, [COLOR="#0000FF"]Mike[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#B22222"]Scum Lean:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#B22222"]PNQ[/COLOR]



Third scum is obviously between the current CC, my current hard scum after re reading and un hard tunneling Mike would be PNQ, with teammates likely being between Bake/Oberon and Blink/Ren. Logically based off of the teaming I'd like to think that it would be PNQ/Blink however seeing as I don't think blink is that stupid to do that as scum, I'd be more inclined to think PNQ/Ren/ one of the other two in the pair.

As usual if I forgot someone mention me and I'll add you into the list, I have a habit of forgetting people in my lists.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

@SuperJack
This is your only read in the game?


@Renegade
You make posts like these, yet no reasonings or reads lists.

Spoiler : :

@Varcron
Press Mike's ISO and search for "Lover" - you'll find that he did indeed claim Lover.
Now with that out of the way:
Apart from your opinions on PQR's accusations towards you, do you have other reads than Mike=Scum?

Yes, yes I do.

Town:
Varcron
Ozy
Helz

Town lean:
Ren (still potential scum though)
Blink (same as Ren in this)


Null/Still Deciding
SJ
Oberon
Bake

Neutral:
As much as I still don't like it, Mike

Scum Lean:
PNQ



Third scum is obviously between the current CC, my current hard scum after re reading and un hard tunneling Mike would be PNQ, with teammates likely being between Bake/Oberon and Blink/Ren. Logically based off of the teaming I'd like to think that it would be PNQ/Blink however seeing as I don't think blink is that stupid to do that as scum, I'd be more inclined to think PNQ/Ren/ one of the other two in the pair.

As usual if I forgot someone mention me and I'll add you into the list, I have a habit of forgetting people in my lists.

I'll be back in a few hours

I need to cool off.

I'll be back in a few hours

I need to cool off.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;921978]You can look for it i'm not doing your work for you. And I have responded to that last time it was asked. To sum it up for a first/second time mafia player he's bleeding town all over the place, his tone is 100% pure and his solves make sense.[/QUOTE]

Personally I don't see how his solves make that much sense, but you do you at this point. False scumread and now accused of editting my posts, what a fucking joke.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

You can look for it i'm not doing your work for you. And I have responded to that last time it was asked. To sum it up for a first/second time mafia player he's bleeding town all over the place, his tone is 100% pure and his solves make sense.

Personally I don't see how his solves make that much sense, but you do you at this point. False scumread and now accused of editting my posts, what a fucking joke.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921977]I believe post 965 was revised.[/QUOTE]

In the bottom right of the post it would show an editted message along with a timestamp, I'd show you what I mean except that's strictly against the rules in a FM especially ladder game.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I believe post 965 was revised.

In the bottom right of the post it would show an editted message along with a timestamp, I'd show you what I mean except that's strictly against the rules in a FM especially ladder game.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921973]I am actually quite upset now. Did you really delete or edit your post??? That's pretty messed up man.[/QUOTE]

I already said I didn't, haven't touched any of my past posts apart from quoting them occasionally.

Pretty sure this is just to get a reaction from me.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I am actually quite upset now. Did you really delete or edit your post??? That's pretty messed up man.

I already said I didn't, haven't touched any of my past posts apart from quoting them occasionally.

Pretty sure this is just to get a reaction from me.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;921971]Nobody's claimed to have given you a carol.

Oberon/Varcron, who is their third baker or SJ?[/QUOTE]

Fuck it, vote me out so you can have your entire plan discarded

I'll flip Patron, it'll be the last laugh for me in the end. Bad reads all round.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

Nobody's claimed to have given you a carol.

Oberon/Varcron, who is their third baker or SJ?

Fuck it, vote me out so you can have your entire plan discarded

I'll flip Patron, it'll be the last laugh for me in the end. Bad reads all round.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;921969]This is actually pretty funny, Where's the Lover if mike is scum?

PQR is the most obvious town I've ever seen. I've been saying it all game, if you believe us to be scum with each other then you should be voting one of us[/QUOTE]

Where'd Mike claim lover? This is news to me.

What is your reason for townreading PQ? I don't believe you responded to this last time it was asked.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

This is actually pretty funny, Where's the Lover if mike is scum?

PQR is the most obvious town I've ever seen. I've been saying it all game, if you believe us to be scum with each other then you should be voting one of us

Where'd Mike claim lover? This is news to me.

What is your reason for townreading PQ? I don't believe you responded to this last time it was asked.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921907][MENTION=30663]OzyWho[/MENTION]
On D2, Varcron was about to get lynched with 3 votes (Blinkskater, Mike, and PQRnHack). No solid lead, but I pushed for town to get some votes rather than allow for Mafia to exercise their [up to 3] votes in last moment. And what I was afraid of sort-of happened (perhaps): with 1 min to go in the day, bakermir added a 3rd vote to NumberTwo to force a 50/50 tiebreaker, in which NumberTwo got lynched and flipped Holiday Patron. Varcron has not been very vocal or produced constructive feedback in my view, which is why I "randomed" him D2.

Refer to page 10. Posts 459 463 464 470 475[/QUOTE]

More like you ignored my responses to you yesterday and are now phrasing it as if I am the bad guy here, basically every single post you have directed to me I have responded to in some way, shape, or form.

I'd rather not sift through the past 1000 posts to give you examples.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

@OzyWho
On D2, Varcron was about to get lynched with 3 votes (Blinkskater, Mike, and PQRnHack). No solid lead, but I pushed for town to get some votes rather than allow for Mafia to exercise their [up to 3] votes in last moment. And what I was afraid of sort-of happened (perhaps): with 1 min to go in the day, bakermir added a 3rd vote to NumberTwo to force a 50/50 tiebreaker, in which NumberTwo got lynched and flipped Holiday Patron. Varcron has not been very vocal or produced constructive feedback in my view, which is why I "randomed" him D2.

Refer to page 10. Posts 459 463 464 470 475

More like you ignored my responses to you yesterday and are now phrasing it as if I am the bad guy here, basically every single post you have directed to me I have responded to in some way, shape, or form.

I'd rather not sift through the past 1000 posts to give you examples.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921962]I can no longer find the post I was replying to. I have no explanation for it, so asking Host to check it out.[/QUOTE]

#965 #966 still exists if you mean the post you quoted me for a few posts ago

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I can no longer find the post I was replying to. I have no explanation for it, so asking Host to check it out.

#965 #966 still exists if you mean the post you quoted me for a few posts ago

[QUOTE=Oberon;921957]Varcron, Bakermir, Blinkskater[/QUOTE]

So one of the two people who recieved carols artifically implemented me in there to implicate me as scum. That's good to hear.

If scum artificially planted me into their "carol" and both sides are calling me scum, can someone please re-iterate why I would be the most sus?

Originally Posted by Oberon

Varcron, Bakermir, Blinkskater

So one of the two people who recieved carols artifically implemented me in there to implicate me as scum. That's good to hear.

If scum artificially planted me into their "carol" and both sides are calling me scum, can someone please re-iterate why I would be the most sus?

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921958][MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION] may I please get a check around posts 965/966 (around that area) for any edits or deletions? I was trying to reply to Varcron's post that spoke about not going after CC'ers (and 2nd sentence, in contradiction, said to check CCers Oberon and Bakermir). My reply didnt go through and then I refreshed and replied a 2nd time but not to the post that i was intending to reply to. Now i can't even find that post. It had 2 paragraphs in it, 1 sentence each which is why I intended to say Re: 1st sentence.[/QUOTE]

So now you're accusing my of breaking FM rules and deleting/editting my posts? Nice.

That pisses me off more than your wonky reads.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

@Frinckles may I please get a check around posts 965/966 (around that area) for any edits or deletions? I was trying to reply to Varcron's post that spoke about not going after CC'ers (and 2nd sentence, in contradiction, said to check CCers Oberon and Bakermir). My reply didnt go through and then I refreshed and replied a 2nd time but not to the post that i was intending to reply to. Now i can't even find that post. It had 2 paragraphs in it, 1 sentence each which is why I intended to say Re: 1st sentence.

So now you're accusing my of breaking FM rules and deleting/editting my posts? Nice.

That pisses me off more than your wonky reads.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921951]Yeah so let's keep it simple, bakermir saved you D2 in the last minute. Why?[/QUOTE]

Because he felt like it? I have no clue dude, I just play mafia, not a mind reader.

[QUOTE=Oberon]@Varcron if you believe that vote SJ, not Mike. If Mike is town, there is a 0.0000000001% chance that Mafia aren't attacking the trio of blink/Mike/Yagami. So they're dead either way.
I'd rather vote SuperJack because blink is clearly trying to keep him alive by scumpainting him and me and calling us a team[/QUOTE]

In the interest of not being wrong and not costing town the game with my vote, I'll re read interactions before making my call on vote. Since Mike is clearly in no danger of lynching, my vote will remain on him for now as I genuinly believe he is probably scum from what I saw in D1/BD2 that I mention (B means beginning)

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Yeah so let's keep it simple, bakermir saved you D2 in the last minute. Why?

Because he felt like it? I have no clue dude, I just play mafia, not a mind reader.

Originally Posted by Oberon

@Varcron if you believe that vote SJ, not Mike. If Mike is town, there is a 0.0000000001% chance that Mafia aren't attacking the trio of blink/Mike/Yagami. So they're dead either way.
I'd rather vote SuperJack because blink is clearly trying to keep him alive by scumpainting him and me and calling us a team

In the interest of not being wrong and not costing town the game with my vote, I'll re read interactions before making my call on vote. Since Mike is clearly in no danger of lynching, my vote will remain on him for now as I genuinly believe he is probably scum from what I saw in D1/BD2 that I mention (B means beginning)

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921950]Re: 1st sentence: this is exactly why I urge everyone to ask themselves who are the likely teammates of the CC'ers and try to find potential teammates that are "common" to the CC'ers. For me, that is you, Varcron. Like in poker, I want to pick a card that gives me more "outs".

I sure hope Blink and I are a team, let's go town![/QUOTE]

You could be a town team, except the likelyhood is either you've been massively pocketted by blink, or you and blink are scum together. There's more too it then "we agree so we are town"

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Re: 1st sentence: this is exactly why I urge everyone to ask themselves who are the likely teammates of the CC'ers and try to find potential teammates that are "common" to the CC'ers. For me, that is you, Varcron. Like in poker, I want to pick a card that gives me more "outs".

I sure hope Blink and I are a team, let's go town!

You could be a town team, except the likelyhood is either you've been massively pocketted by blink, or you and blink are scum together. There's more too it then "we agree so we are town"

[QUOTE=Oberon;921949]Is nobody interested in the carol I received? :([/QUOTE]

Sure, go ahead and say who was in the carol.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Is nobody interested in the carol I received?

Sure, go ahead and say who was in the carol.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;921933]On the other side of the pillow, Bakers Caroler claim could be a ruse, as AUWT could be the real caroler, making baker likely the actress here. A baker+varcron team would really also make sense because of the way baker saved varcron from being lynched. A third team member would have to fit in there which is a lot less clear. Yagami could fit as janitor as could rene and even SJ.[/QUOTE]

You guys overcomplicate this shit too much

That's why we lose as town. For me it's pretty clear that team is likely still Mike/Blink/PQ after the D1 shenanigans that happened. Pretty bold play by scum to claim receiving carols and being caroller if they lose the argument.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

On the other side of the pillow, Bakers Caroler claim could be a ruse, as AUWT could be the real caroler, making baker likely the actress here. A baker+varcron team would really also make sense because of the way baker saved varcron from being lynched. A third team member would have to fit in there which is a lot less clear. Yagami could fit as janitor as could rene and even SJ.

You guys overcomplicate this shit too much

That's why we lose as town. For me it's pretty clear that team is likely still Mike/Blink/PQ after the D1 shenanigans that happened. Pretty bold play by scum to claim receiving carols and being caroller if they lose the argument.

[QUOTE=Mike;921625]Repeating

I received noght feed back. A Caroler sang a song to me last night. It mentioned [COLOR="#FF0000"][SIZE=6]Superjack, Varcron and Renegade[/SIZE][/COLOR]. At least one of which is not town.

One or more is 100% Mafia.

Town do not let mafia save there team here with WIFOM or misinformation. This is 100% facts.[/QUOTE]

I'd be inclined to believe SJ being scum over Ren, Ren hasn't given me any scum vibes as of yet

(Just responding to stuff that happened a bit ago as I go)

[QUOTE=Oberon]I doubt there's two carolers
-vote Mike[/QUOTE]

I concur with Oberon here, however I've seen Frinckles do some pretty goofy shit with roles.

[QUOTE=Oberon]is Varcron even alive? who is still alive lol[/QUOTE]

Not my fault you guys decide to post ~5 pages worth of content starting at 4 AM and ending when I woke up.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack]-vote Varcron

On the basis that:
a) if Oberon is Mafia, then given voting history and pushes, there aren't that many other choices left, Varcron fits as a teammate.
b) if bakermir is Mafia, then it's painfully obvious given how baker saved Varcron from D2 lynch. Sometimes, the simplest explanation can be the right explanation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=blinkskater]-vote varcron[/QUOTE]

You two are buddying up again almost as though you have eachothers roles confirmed. I've been ignoring the possibility if you two being a team except it's really, REALLY obvious at this point.

Blink is clearly sheeping whatever PQ says which is highly unusual, ontop of the fact that previously he was voting Oberon at one point then somehow is following Mikes "Carol" that he recieved with two carollers CCing eachother.

[QUOTE=OzyWho]Oberon (5 [L-2]):
blinkskater, SuperJack, bakermir, Mike, PQRnHack
Mike (1 [L-6]):
Varcron
SuperJack (1 [L-6]):
Oberon

ok 2 townreads on Oberon, good enough for me

-vote Oberon[/QUOTE]

Last time I was playing this entire shitshow with Oberon never happened, and I still think it's a bad idea to go after the CCed Carollers.

My vote is [COLOR="#FF0000"]remaining on Mike, I feel it would benefit town to hear more of the bakermir V Oberon before making a lynch on them.[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Mike

Repeating

I received noght feed back. A Caroler sang a song to me last night. It mentioned Superjack, Varcron and Renegade. At least one of which is not town.

One or more is 100% Mafia.

Town do not let mafia save there team here with WIFOM or misinformation. This is 100% facts.

I'd be inclined to believe SJ being scum over Ren, Ren hasn't given me any scum vibes as of yet

(Just responding to stuff that happened a bit ago as I go)

Originally Posted by Oberon

I doubt there's two carolers
-vote Mike

I concur with Oberon here, however I've seen Frinckles do some pretty goofy shit with roles.

Originally Posted by Oberon

is Varcron even alive? who is still alive lol

Not my fault you guys decide to post ~5 pages worth of content starting at 4 AM and ending when I woke up.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

-vote Varcron

On the basis that:
a) if Oberon is Mafia, then given voting history and pushes, there aren't that many other choices left, Varcron fits as a teammate.
b) if bakermir is Mafia, then it's painfully obvious given how baker saved Varcron from D2 lynch. Sometimes, the simplest explanation can be the right explanation.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

-vote varcron

You two are buddying up again almost as though you have eachothers roles confirmed. I've been ignoring the possibility if you two being a team except it's really, REALLY obvious at this point.

Blink is clearly sheeping whatever PQ says which is highly unusual, ontop of the fact that previously he was voting Oberon at one point then somehow is following Mikes "Carol" that he recieved with two carollers CCing eachother.

Originally Posted by OzyWho

Oberon (5 [L-2]):
blinkskater, SuperJack, bakermir, Mike, PQRnHack
Mike (1 [L-6]):
Varcron
SuperJack (1 [L-6]):
Oberon

ok 2 townreads on Oberon, good enough for me

-vote Oberon

Last time I was playing this entire shitshow with Oberon never happened, and I still think it's a bad idea to go after the CCed Carollers.

My vote is remaining on Mike, I feel it would benefit town to hear more of the bakermir V Oberon before making a lynch on them.

I'm [COLOR="#00FF00"]Holiday Patron[/COLOR] if my hint D1 wasn't obvious enough.

I'm Holiday Patron if my hint D1 wasn't obvious enough.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921478]I'd like to point out that Varcron replies to my "filler posts" but doesn't bother comment on my statements like #483 or 487[/QUOTE]

There's nothing to respond to in #483 or #487

You literally re-iterated your arguement in #483 which I already responded to, and in #487 you are accusing three different people of being scum with me, which by itself isn't right either.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I'd like to point out that Varcron replies to my "filler posts" but doesn't bother comment on my statements like #483 or 487

There's nothing to respond to in #483 or #487

You literally re-iterated your arguement in #483 which I already responded to, and in #487 you are accusing three different people of being scum with me, which by itself isn't right either.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921471]You are so FoS that you just *now* read the setup :)[/QUOTE]

If you mean read the setup again, particularly in the roles, no.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

You are so FoS that you just *now* read the setup

If you mean read the setup again, particularly in the roles, no.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921466]Understand your defense. But defenses are made by Town, Neuts, and Mafia. Doesn't mean much to me.[/QUOTE]

This post is useless, looks like it was used as filler to raise your post count this game to look like you're being useful.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Understand your defense. But defenses are made by Town, Neuts, and Mafia. Doesn't mean much to me.

This post is useless, looks like it was used as filler to raise your post count this game to look like you're being useful.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;921463]Guardian Angel Is Neutral Role[/QUOTE]

Oh lol I thought they meant doctor when they said Guardian Angel originally, woops.

I read the setup now and realized my error.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Guardian Angel Is Neutral Role

Oh lol I thought they meant doctor when they said Guardian Angel originally, woops.

I read the setup now and realized my error.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921460]Perhaps, Mike is a Neut who wants the town to not gang up on him, if town might be otherwise considering him for a Maf. I don't see Mike as one who would make a slip. TBH i had multiple tabs open trying to read everyone's posts, it's a lot to process. Misreads and errors happen, unless you all have bigger IQ than I :)[/QUOTE]

If he's a neut he isn't really doing the usual "Stay out of the spotlight" I'd expect especially if he were the Holiday Angel.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Perhaps, Mike is a Neut who wants the town to not gang up on him, if town might be otherwise considering him for a Maf. I don't see Mike as one who would make a slip. TBH i had multiple tabs open trying to read everyone's posts, it's a lot to process. Misreads and errors happen, unless you all have bigger IQ than I

If he's a neut he isn't really doing the usual "Stay out of the spotlight" I'd expect especially if he were the Holiday Angel.

Oh and btw whoever mentioned Guardian Angel

Do you mean doctor or is there a role called Guardian Angel in town?

Oh and btw whoever mentioned Guardian Angel

Do you mean doctor or is there a role called Guardian Angel in town?

[QUOTE=Helz;921454]He never claimed. I just actually read the game last night and pegged him.

I would push on blink but we need Mike to work with the town so I am not willing to lynch either Mike or Blink today (along with Baker and Light).[/QUOTE]

The fact that you said out loud that you think Mike is a PR role tells me one of two things

1. You want our PR's to die

2. You're his buddy in crime.

Originally Posted by Helz

He never claimed. I just actually read the game last night and pegged him.

I would push on blink but we need Mike to work with the town so I am not willing to lynch either Mike or Blink today (along with Baker and Light).

The fact that you said out loud that you think Mike is a PR role tells me one of two things

1. You want our PR's to die

2. You're his buddy in crime.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921243]My choice of Varcron is based on not a whole lot of contribution, he even said
"I have made 13 (including this one) posts this game, most of which early D1 since we decided to skip. If your scumread is because "something feels off" then you really need to re-evaluate"
[COLOR="#FF0000"]--> indeed, how can we scumread if there's not much to read there?[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]I can see Maf being relaxed and mainly asking silly questions (as he did D1), not a whole lot of substance. [/COLOR]

Not a fan of this statement either
"IDK what Ren is currently, null read, [B]but i'm your bog standard townie.[/B]"

I feel OK with a rather random lynch, 5/12 odds from where I sit, plus I feel like I can rule out some townies, which brings it closer to 50/50. Stir it up, create some votes, that will give us more clues later in the game based on what happens here. E.g., if he flips scum, we'll know who tried to deflect. If flips town, I will be sad, but should still be able to work through the voting patterns for those of us still alive this weekend when we might have more time to analyze (I am doing this while working FT).

ANd lastly, this late in the day, it's time to pick someone whom town might actually get enough votes on (instead of allowing Mafia to run it with up to 3 votes of their own).[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]You now have two largeish responses to go off of along with my usual banter, I'm surprised the first one wasn't enough for you to get a clear read off of.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#00FF00"]I was relaxed BD1 (Beginning of D1) as that is what I typically am, later in the day you received a fairly large post with responses to stuff I found intriguing. If you read my posts from near ED1 you would have seen the information you were demanded, along with my previous post.[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

My choice of Varcron is based on not a whole lot of contribution, he even said
"I have made 13 (including this one) posts this game, most of which early D1 since we decided to skip. If your scumread is because "something feels off" then you really need to re-evaluate"
--> indeed, how can we scumread if there's not much to read there?
I can see Maf being relaxed and mainly asking silly questions (as he did D1), not a whole lot of substance.

Not a fan of this statement either
"IDK what Ren is currently, null read, but i'm your bog standard townie."

I feel OK with a rather random lynch, 5/12 odds from where I sit, plus I feel like I can rule out some townies, which brings it closer to 50/50. Stir it up, create some votes, that will give us more clues later in the game based on what happens here. E.g., if he flips scum, we'll know who tried to deflect. If flips town, I will be sad, but should still be able to work through the voting patterns for those of us still alive this weekend when we might have more time to analyze (I am doing this while working FT).

ANd lastly, this late in the day, it's time to pick someone whom town might actually get enough votes on (instead of allowing Mafia to run it with up to 3 votes of their own).

You now have two largeish responses to go off of along with my usual banter, I'm surprised the first one wasn't enough for you to get a clear read off of.

I was relaxed BD1 (Beginning of D1) as that is what I typically am, later in the day you received a fairly large post with responses to stuff I found intriguing. If you read my posts from near ED1 you would have seen the information you were demanded, along with my previous post.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;921243]My choice of Varcron is based on not a whole lot of contribution, he even said
"I have made 13 (including this one) posts this game, most of which early D1 since we decided to skip. If your scumread is because "something feels off" then you really need to re-evaluate"
--> indeed, how can we scumread if there's not much to read there?
I can see Maf being relaxed and mainly asking silly questions (as he did D1), not a whole lot of substance.

Not a fan of this statement either
"IDK what Ren is currently, null read, [B]but i'm your bog standard townie.[/B]"

I feel OK with a rather random lynch, 5/12 odds from where I sit, plus I feel like I can rule out some townies, which brings it closer to 50/50. Stir it up, create some votes, that will give us more clues later in the game based on what happens here. E.g., if he flips scum, we'll know who tried to deflect. If flips town, I will be sad, but should still be able to work through the voting patterns for those of us still alive this weekend when we might have more time to analyze (I am doing this while working FT).

ANd lastly, this late in the day, it's time to pick someone whom town might actually get enough votes on (instead of allowing Mafia to run it with up to 3 votes of their own).[/QUOTE]

A random lynch is never good D1, especially when you just picked between two townies.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami]Im Aware Of That They Also Have A Confirmed Consort. So Odds Of Me Finding Anything At This Point Are Almost Zero. Why Kill Me When They Can Just Role Block Me Till End Of Game[/QUOTE]

There's a valid strategy in the mod to fake claim PR to attract consort attention but actually be citizen (patron). Personally if he is patron I think that is a smart play to bait mafia if that is the case. If it isn't the case, very, VERY dumb play.

[QUOTE=Mike]ohhh interesting
-vote Varcron
This looks like PQR has info we dont.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he has info we don't because he is either scum or received a carol with names on it and is guessing. Scum has who is and is not town. By pressuring me he forced a two way lynch between Numbertwo (Rolled as patron) and me.


[QUOTE=Helz]Varcron (3 [L-4]):
PQRnHack, blinkskater, Mike[/QUOTE]

I want to have a closer look at everyone in this batch of people.

[QUOTE=Mike]Helzs you are a condundrum. I do not know what to think about you. one second you are so town next you are scummy. I agree with the push on number 2 That is protown. But that last line makes me feel you are creating wifom for future lynches.

The delima I am having is that can be made from Town helz or mafia helz. Hard to decide which it is. This is why you are not in my town core anymore.

1 are you mafia?
2 are you town trying to be a little scummy so you are not night killed?

This is the delima I am trying to figure out on you. I do not want you lynched today.

People I would be ok with lynching today are Renegade, Number 2, maybe Oberon? I am not wanting to lynch varcron anymore. not pushing on Frostbyte do to knowing is MIA in RL.

Everyone else I would not want a lynch on.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]People are scumreading me because they are saying my reads are odd. Remember when I am mafia I make alot more since. since I have all the info. I am uninformed so I am trying to get reads from anything I can.

auwt, superjack, blink, Helz, Baker, Light, Varcron all I have not seen and agenda being pushed.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mike][COLOR="#FF0000"]Correction I have not seen them push any agenda making me town lean them[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Pretty quick correction for a phrase that appears very, VERY scummy. Especially considering two of the three people on the Varcron train along with if I am not mistaken one other person are implied to be pushing an agenda. I think this was a slip that should be investigated further.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Mike][COLOR="#FFD700"]I am town but off chance I was not town I would be Neutral meaning town aligned.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#FFD700"]Very interesting that you gave the "off chance" of being non town[/COLOR]

If I were to bet, I'd likely bet Mike is either neutral or scum based off of the above three quotes.

[QUOTE=Mike]I like this answer. This is so bloody town.[/QUOTE]

Yeah yeah keep buddying/pocketting away, I've been waiting for this since I read up last night. My vote will remain on Mike until further notice.

[vote]Mike[/vote]

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

My choice of Varcron is based on not a whole lot of contribution, he even said
"I have made 13 (including this one) posts this game, most of which early D1 since we decided to skip. If your scumread is because "something feels off" then you really need to re-evaluate"
--> indeed, how can we scumread if there's not much to read there?
I can see Maf being relaxed and mainly asking silly questions (as he did D1), not a whole lot of substance.

Not a fan of this statement either
"IDK what Ren is currently, null read, but i'm your bog standard townie."

I feel OK with a rather random lynch, 5/12 odds from where I sit, plus I feel like I can rule out some townies, which brings it closer to 50/50. Stir it up, create some votes, that will give us more clues later in the game based on what happens here. E.g., if he flips scum, we'll know who tried to deflect. If flips town, I will be sad, but should still be able to work through the voting patterns for those of us still alive this weekend when we might have more time to analyze (I am doing this while working FT).

ANd lastly, this late in the day, it's time to pick someone whom town might actually get enough votes on (instead of allowing Mafia to run it with up to 3 votes of their own).

A random lynch is never good D1, especially when you just picked between two townies.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Im Aware Of That They Also Have A Confirmed Consort. So Odds Of Me Finding Anything At This Point Are Almost Zero. Why Kill Me When They Can Just Role Block Me Till End Of Game

There's a valid strategy in the mod to fake claim PR to attract consort attention but actually be citizen (patron). Personally if he is patron I think that is a smart play to bait mafia if that is the case. If it isn't the case, very, VERY dumb play.

Originally Posted by Mike

ohhh interesting
-vote Varcron
This looks like PQR has info we dont.

Yeah, he has info we don't because he is either scum or received a carol with names on it and is guessing. Scum has who is and is not town. By pressuring me he forced a two way lynch between Numbertwo (Rolled as patron) and me.

Originally Posted by Helz

Varcron (3 [L-4]):
PQRnHack, blinkskater, Mike

I want to have a closer look at everyone in this batch of people.

Originally Posted by Mike

Helzs you are a condundrum. I do not know what to think about you. one second you are so town next you are scummy. I agree with the push on number 2 That is protown. But that last line makes me feel you are creating wifom for future lynches.

The delima I am having is that can be made from Town helz or mafia helz. Hard to decide which it is. This is why you are not in my town core anymore.

1 are you mafia?
2 are you town trying to be a little scummy so you are not night killed?

This is the delima I am trying to figure out on you. I do not want you lynched today.

People I would be ok with lynching today are Renegade, Number 2, maybe Oberon? I am not wanting to lynch varcron anymore. not pushing on Frostbyte do to knowing is MIA in RL.

Everyone else I would not want a lynch on.

People are scumreading me because they are saying my reads are odd. Remember when I am mafia I make alot more since. since I have all the info. I am uninformed so I am trying to get reads from anything I can.

auwt, superjack, blink, Helz, Baker, Light, Varcron all I have not seen and agenda being pushed.

Originally Posted by Mike

Correction I have not seen them push any agenda making me town lean them

Pretty quick correction for a phrase that appears very, VERY scummy. Especially considering two of the three people on the Varcron train along with if I am not mistaken one other person are implied to be pushing an agenda. I think this was a slip that should be investigated further.

Originally Posted by Mike

I am town but off chance I was not town I would be Neutral meaning town aligned.

Very interesting that you gave the "off chance" of being non town

If I were to bet, I'd likely bet Mike is either neutral or scum based off of the above three quotes.

Originally Posted by Mike

I like this answer. This is so bloody town.

Yeah yeah keep buddying/pocketting away, I've been waiting for this since I read up last night. My vote will remain on Mike until further notice.

-vote Mike

[QUOTE=Varcron]I do, they'll have a big target on their back if mafia thinks they are protecting town instead of a mafia member. I'm not sure if that's how that role works but yeah.[/QUOTE]

To expand on this a bit

Maf could also see them revealing and not target them, making town more likely to get hit.

Originally Posted by Varcron

I do, they'll have a big target on their back if mafia thinks they are protecting town instead of a mafia member. I'm not sure if that's how that role works but yeah.

To expand on this a bit

Maf could also see them revealing and not target them, making town more likely to get hit.

[QUOTE=Mike;921085]only one I truly no joke would ride or die as town is Light. Guy is bleeding town. Light is always so scummy day 1 IE why he gets mislynched a lot. I was scum reading Light day 1 to be honest. But I think town needs to ride or die with light as town. This is a Ladder game trust me I do not want to lose so I would not suggest this unless My read on him was good. If light flips mafia I deserve to lose this game lol. If we have any investigative roles. I suggest helz be checked If he is town as I suspect He is a powerful town player we can use. If he is Mafia we get him out.

I am town reading baker but what bothers me about baker is that whole outing lovers gambit that helps mafia more than town. I dont know what to think of that. Was it town baker doing an Opps or mafia baker trying to get 2k tonight. Baker is a strong town if he is town. I am undecided on if he should be a lynch as of now.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]vacron I am scum reading him I am happy to lynch him. I am felling off by him I cant place it but off. [/COLOR]

SuperJack I want to scum read him for how his posts I dont like it. But Would Scum superjack out himself like that day 1. I get the feeling he is town being scummy to not get Night killed. Again This is not a hard read just a gut feeling. So I would not lynch him today.

The new guy. Hell I have no clue if he is town or mafia or neutral. That guy is all over the place. I get the feeling he is just town trying to have fun. again this is just gut feeling. I can be way wrong on this guy as I said he is all over the place.

Rene. Null read at this time.

Auwt This is is a harder read. Dude is playing as Town no doubt. But what struck me as odd was his post where he said He felt I was Neutral. Why not call me mafia? Mafia is hunting the Neutrals if they kill the Lovers 2kp if the kill the GA less power to town.

Mag, I normaly can find MAg when he is town. I have not found him as town and it is day 2. That does not make him mafia just dont have a good read on him I am scum leaning on him you all may scum read me for haveing this read but oh well it it just my read.

This is my reads so fare if I missed some one Means they have not posted that much for me to get a read on.[/QUOTE]

I agree with some of your reads, specifically on Light/blink, however I do not see what your problem is with Mag/Auwt. I also don't see how you can scumread me but null read Ren when we have nearly equal participation.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]I have made 13 (including this one) posts this game, most of which early D1 since we decided to skip. If your scumread is because "something feels off" then you really need to re-evaluate[/COLOR]

I agree with your previous townread of light for this reason btw.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami]Skipping Is By Far The Best Thing Town Can Do Day 1 Always Leaves Them In A Better Position Day 2 And Avoids An Accidental Mis-Lynch On Day 1..[/QUOTE]

Skipping D1 is awesome to prevent a mislynch especially in a game where mafia can get a double kill, this screams town from Light

[QUOTE=blinkskater]-vote varcron


Sheeping my town read of pqr[/QUOTE]

I can't actually see where I sheeped your townread of PQR, if anything for me PQR is more scumlean because of that random vote.

[QUOTE=Mike]I have you as one of my town core what are your reads.[/QUOTE]

This looks like a pocket attempt by [COLOR="#FF0000"]mike[/COLOR] on [COLOR="#00FF00"]blinkskater[/COLOR], post #296. Looks like Blink disliked it aswell, so that gives townpoints to blink. I townread blink so far because of his reactions to Mike.

[QUOTE=Mike]Blink it is your reactions and how you are acting. I have been mafia with u and know how you act when you are mafia. You are so out of your mafia meta. But same time MM was one of my mafia reads and he fliped town. So I can be wrong but I have to pick my top town reads and go with them or else we stay in a paranoid world and that only helps mafia.[/QUOTE]

Only using meta to town or scumread someone is dangerous, read what they are saying and try to go between the lines. I don't think you're shallow enough of a player to only use meta.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami]I Guess In Mikes Mind Just Posting Is Enough To Get Town Cred?[/QUOTE]

I think that that may be the case, especially seeing his read on me looking like he just wants to hurl a bucket of paint.

[QUOTE=Renegade]I see no reason for the angel not to reveal.[/QUOTE]

I do, they'll have a big target on their back if mafia thinks they are protecting town instead of a mafia member. I'm not sure if that's how that role works but yeah.

[QUOTE=Mike]-vote superjack
I know 100% this dude is lieing We got one town.[/QUOTE]

Your spontaneous random voting is [COLOR="#FFD700"]weird[/COLOR], I'm not sure if you do it for a reaction except to me that read moreso as either confused town or scum that doesn't care.

Originally Posted by Mike

only one I truly no joke would ride or die as town is Light. Guy is bleeding town. Light is always so scummy day 1 IE why he gets mislynched a lot. I was scum reading Light day 1 to be honest. But I think town needs to ride or die with light as town. This is a Ladder game trust me I do not want to lose so I would not suggest this unless My read on him was good. If light flips mafia I deserve to lose this game lol. If we have any investigative roles. I suggest helz be checked If he is town as I suspect He is a powerful town player we can use. If he is Mafia we get him out.

I am town reading baker but what bothers me about baker is that whole outing lovers gambit that helps mafia more than town. I dont know what to think of that. Was it town baker doing an Opps or mafia baker trying to get 2k tonight. Baker is a strong town if he is town. I am undecided on if he should be a lynch as of now.

vacron I am scum reading him I am happy to lynch him. I am felling off by him I cant place it but off.

SuperJack I want to scum read him for how his posts I dont like it. But Would Scum superjack out himself like that day 1. I get the feeling he is town being scummy to not get Night killed. Again This is not a hard read just a gut feeling. So I would not lynch him today.

The new guy. Hell I have no clue if he is town or mafia or neutral. That guy is all over the place. I get the feeling he is just town trying to have fun. again this is just gut feeling. I can be way wrong on this guy as I said he is all over the place.

Rene. Null read at this time.

Auwt This is is a harder read. Dude is playing as Town no doubt. But what struck me as odd was his post where he said He felt I was Neutral. Why not call me mafia? Mafia is hunting the Neutrals if they kill the Lovers 2kp if the kill the GA less power to town.

Mag, I normaly can find MAg when he is town. I have not found him as town and it is day 2. That does not make him mafia just dont have a good read on him I am scum leaning on him you all may scum read me for haveing this read but oh well it it just my read.

This is my reads so fare if I missed some one Means they have not posted that much for me to get a read on.

I agree with some of your reads, specifically on Light/blink, however I do not see what your problem is with Mag/Auwt. I also don't see how you can scumread me but null read Ren when we have nearly equal participation.

I have made 13 (including this one) posts this game, most of which early D1 since we decided to skip. If your scumread is because "something feels off" then you really need to re-evaluate

I agree with your previous townread of light for this reason btw.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Skipping Is By Far The Best Thing Town Can Do Day 1 Always Leaves Them In A Better Position Day 2 And Avoids An Accidental Mis-Lynch On Day 1..

Skipping D1 is awesome to prevent a mislynch especially in a game where mafia can get a double kill, this screams town from Light

Originally Posted by blinkskater

-vote varcron


Sheeping my town read of pqr

I can't actually see where I sheeped your townread of PQR, if anything for me PQR is more scumlean because of that random vote.

Originally Posted by Mike

I have you as one of my town core what are your reads.

This looks like a pocket attempt by mike on blinkskater, post #296. Looks like Blink disliked it aswell, so that gives townpoints to blink. I townread blink so far because of his reactions to Mike.

Originally Posted by Mike

Blink it is your reactions and how you are acting. I have been mafia with u and know how you act when you are mafia. You are so out of your mafia meta. But same time MM was one of my mafia reads and he fliped town. So I can be wrong but I have to pick my top town reads and go with them or else we stay in a paranoid world and that only helps mafia.

Only using meta to town or scumread someone is dangerous, read what they are saying and try to go between the lines. I don't think you're shallow enough of a player to only use meta.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

I Guess In Mikes Mind Just Posting Is Enough To Get Town Cred?

I think that that may be the case, especially seeing his read on me looking like he just wants to hurl a bucket of paint.

Originally Posted by Renegade

I see no reason for the angel not to reveal.

I do, they'll have a big target on their back if mafia thinks they are protecting town instead of a mafia member. I'm not sure if that's how that role works but yeah.

Originally Posted by Mike

-vote superjack
I know 100% this dude is lieing We got one town.

Your spontaneous random voting is weird, I'm not sure if you do it for a reaction except to me that read moreso as either confused town or scum that doesn't care.

[QUOTE=Mike;921135]For post game cred I am calling at least 2 mafia Rene and vacron[/QUOTE]

Pretty bad post game cred, at least for your read on me

IDK what Ren is currently, null read, but i'm your bog standard townie.

Originally Posted by Mike

For post game cred I am calling at least 2 mafia Rene and vacron

Pretty bad post game cred, at least for your read on me

IDK what Ren is currently, null read, but i'm your bog standard townie.

I also had no feedback last night, figured i'd mention.

I also had no feedback last night, figured i'd mention.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;920999]Found another mafia

[vote]Varcron[/vote][/QUOTE]

Lol? Okay then

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Found another mafia

-vote Varcron

Lol? Okay then

[QUOTE=bakermir;920986]hi Rene[/QUOTE]

woah bake is here

This is weird having the three stooges in this game.

Originally Posted by bakermir

hi Rene

woah bake is here

This is weird having the three stooges in this game.

[QUOTE=Renegade;920980]Good evening. I'm still catching up a bit. I guess I have a clean slate since this slot didn't post anything d1 so that is nice.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=5][COLOR="#FF0000"][B]GOOOOOOOOOOOFYYYYYYYY[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]

Originally Posted by Renegade

Good evening. I'm still catching up a bit. I guess I have a clean slate since this slot didn't post anything d1 so that is nice.

GOOOOOOOOOOOFYYYYYYYY

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;920979][vote]NumberTwo[/vote]

Im Actually Quite Surprised I Wasnt The One Attacked.[/QUOTE]

Logic behind this? Don't turn into the situation from Eternal Conflict.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

-vote NumberTwo

Im Actually Quite Surprised I Wasnt The One Attacked.

Logic behind this? Don't turn into the situation from Eternal Conflict.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;920781]Screw You. [unvote][/unvote]

That makes [I]some[/I] sense, I guess. WHY ARE YOU EVEN CLAIMING THO :([/QUOTE]

At least he has the jolly spirit unlike you

Gottem there.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Screw You.

-unvote

That makes some sense, I guess. WHY ARE YOU EVEN CLAIMING THO

At least he has the jolly spirit unlike you

Gottem there.

[QUOTE=SuperJack;920652]What If there is no logic use involved?[/QUOTE]

Then by that logic his logic means your non logic seems like logic which is logically flawed.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

What If there is no logic use involved?

Then by that logic his logic means your non logic seems like logic which is logically flawed.

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;920645]Then Guess Im An Idiot?[/QUOTE]

I am too

Everyone is an idiot.

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Then Guess Im An Idiot?

I am too

Everyone is an idiot.