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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Was I really the 2nd bottom poster?? I guess some of my posts were longer than most people's because I use multiquote often enough and refrain from spamming, but still, strange. I was active enough to pretty much drive the "rational" side of the scum here afaik, PQ being the "chaos" driver and the other two being part of the chaos/unknowns and placing votes at the right time. I don't think I went "under the radar" at all, actually; that wasn't my strategy.

    Also, there were actually many reasonably good plays from townies, they just didn't manage to make them dominant, and the nonsense from some other townies drowned everyone into a sea of misguided reads.
    And I disagree I'm the only MVP-worthy outside of Loldebite here, too, for the "reasonably good plays from townies" reason mostly.
    You were kind of sparse this game, not in the lurker type of way but that's actually why I unvoted PQR when we had him at L-1 and Light was ready to hammer. You and JMW hadn't been online at the same time really and I wanted to see if there were any clues to pick up. Unfortunately it gave you a chance to unvote.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    The towny who solved the game the night he died and got killed for it, while being one of the most cooperative players when alive, is not under consideration?
    I guess early/first deaths tend to be forgotten in favor of recency bias? Is that's what's happening here?
    Not saying lold didn't deserve the MVP consideration. But him being the only one? I don't agree.

    MM played well, no question there. I personally think though that him being the bottom 2 poster had a non zero influence on being under radar. By comparison, I think it's more impressive being the top1 poster, by a large margin, yet still not even being considered as a wolf by the world builders who considered over half the players, and being like top4-5 scumreads for most others?
    Loldebite/Gikkle deserve town MVP more than me if that's even a consideration. They both dealt with unprecedented and exhausting levels of scum shitflinging and still started piecing things together.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    You guys can circle jerk and sniff each other's tails about who's the smartest all you want, I'm just here to play and win the game. All the plays this game from scum were very predictable. What was NOT predictable was MM being scum. He literally played this game like town.

    Loldebite was also very effective, especially during the last few days. I have rarely seen someone dismantle arguments head-on as he has.

    I guess the difference is I'm thinking in terms of great plays whereas everyone else is thinking in terms of 'better plays than the other players'. In which case yeah, maybe Mike, PHack weren't that bad. But let me tell you, having played thousands of mod games and many FM games, no, their play was shit. It's really not that hard to win as scum when town is shit. You can even be just a bit worse than them and still win.

    Just my 2c.
    The fact that I died first with a doctor alive who should be assumed to be healing me as he'd be protected and bussed but gave no indication of deciding not to even after voting pqr with me didn't ping you at all?

    MM and Luona both played well but I think there were some red flags there.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    And as always, thanks for the professional hosting you spoil us with @Lag
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    On a side note, some of you seem to have limitless patience. I think I would have kicked the scum team out of a 10th-story window if I had been left alive out of sheer anger. It was kind of fun to watch though.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Neat playing with and meeting some new people.

    Gikkle and Loldebite had some impressive townplay. Overall town couldn't get the game rolling quickly enough.

    Mike and PQR also played a strong game controlling the narrative and not letting a towncore form until the very last moments of the game.

    There's probably some lessons to learn from this game. While I thought I set everything up well in the event that I was targeted, I didn't explain to my townreads what I was thinking before I was killed. I focused too much on PQR and at one point even unvoted him just so I could use the remaining time to get more reads on JMW/MM. Even though I had a feeling Mike was scum because of the telegraphed check on Light, I did little to let anyone else know. I also gave too much leeway for MM/Luona to be left unaccountable for my death. So,

    -vote pqrnhack


    Gg
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Sure I am. I already stated multiple times, but it appears people don't read or pretend not to? The way Frinckles quickly focused on me without listing the other possible scenarios and trying to solve them, combined with him dismissing the possibility that he himself got healed, is very scummy and implies he knows something that most don't.
    Quote me doing this.

    I'll quote myself listing every single possibility for what could have happened last night.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    If Light is Mafia it instantly confirms one of (Luona, Mike) (possibly both) as Mafia. Luona being Mafia does not necessarily mean Light/Mike are Mafia.
    Mike would be the better lynch from that perspective.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Did I get all 12 of you off memory
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post


    Times Up... Explain Now..
    K this is off the top of my head, no notes. And I'll start with you specifically.

    I didn't nessecarily townread your d1 but I didn't scumread it. You were aggro so was MM but your towngame is way better than your scumgame. Your check on Mike made sense and felt honest.
    2. Luono: I didn't like the cutzy and almost out of touch vibe they gave off but I gotta admit they haven't said anything nessecarily wrong and on a scumteam I can't imagine a BD missing an opportunity to swing for an easy prot kill.
    3. MM: I didn't expect MM to play into a protection circle so easily but I'm certainly glad he did. His takes have been really good honestly, until like 7 hours ago but whatever.
    4: Loldebite: I don't remember a single word he said on d1. All I knew is that as soon as every other option was cleared, I needed to know why nobody died. He was never prompted to say a role like pqr and it seemed strangely reasonable.
    5: Gikkle: idk I didn't scumread him d1 although some of the jmw interactions seemed fake, I just can't tell from who but his role is useless so off with his hear.
    6. Mike: cool check on Light Yagami. I don't remember you do except trying to pocket me with some d1 mindmeld shit lol
    7. Auwt: reasonable until he isn't this game. Demoralizing for no reason. I don't think we're on the same team, at the very least not in mindset. Kind of sad because I wanted to help you carry like you did last game but I think you got scum this round.
    8. Oliver: not much on this slot. He said what I didn't think he'd say actually. I was anticipating that he'd say he was hit, y ou can check my iso. That's about it.
    9. Oberon: just fucking kill paopan next time
    10. Paopan: see above
    11. Jmw: I townread you now even though I think your d1 was shit, but so was everyone's. I trust you to man up and take the correct shot at night even if it's at my head but you need to get past the lethargy you have over bitching with Gikkle. And if he's reading this, he should do the same thing too. Both of the interactions look half asses for whatever reason you can deduce.
    12. Pqr: you never explained your tactic for your night chat. You never explained your reads. And as much as I appreciate the compliments, you are by experience a much better mafia player than me. Player. Now please fuck off and die.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    So @Frinckles All Bullshit Aside.. What Are Your Thoughts Over All On The Game Even Though PQ Is On Some Rampage.. I Want A Genuine Answer From You Ever Slot A Null Town Scum Lean Im Pretty Sure PQ Will Be Yours I Wanna See The Rest And Reasons For Them..
    I dont give reads lists. But I'll explain in like 10 min if that's cool
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    You Know Im Like A Well Seasoned Cast Iron Skillet Right... Your Shade Slides Right Off Of Me...
    :/ why do you miss the point of my banter so badly
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Oh yeah and Gikkle kept talking about tickles in mafia chat. I think we all remember that part. I guess the joke was gikkle rhymed with tickle??
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    So Either You Or PQ Wanna Vote With Me.. On IDK Look At The Vote Log.. Apparently I Stand Alone..



    Also The Part I Highlighted In Green Funny As Fuck Because That Never Happened.. You Fucker..
    Oh it didn't? Any idiot with a brain can iso you and see the codewords. Don't play coy.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Mike? He's compromised as fuck. Even I'm scared that he's on my scum team. Seriously why would he fake a green check on one of our own teammates? Sloppy at best.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Oliver you look shook. You remember you work for me right?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    And also, JMW and Gikkle, did you think that was scum theater? I might have for a moment until I remembered they both work for me!
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Twas I in fact, that told loldebite to specifically roleblock the town's card sharp. Let it be known that if the card Sharp's power were left unchecked- it could lead to my undoing!

    Therefore I devised such a schemingly scheming scheme insofar that I used my two hench(wo)men, MM and Luona to protect me in a seemingly innocent chain of mechanical implications.

    HOWEVER IT WAS ALL A RUSE.

    Did you think my scheming fell short there? Of course not. I also used codes to ask my fourth mafioso, Oberon to tell me whether Paopan was neutral or town. You didn't think I'd forget about a neutral role did you?

    But I'm not finished. I had Light Yagami code to me the target of his next fake lookout check based off the second letter of every youtube video he linked in this game.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Yes, this is all going exactly as my master plan had anticipated.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    So PQR.

    If I am a scum mastermind and you're town, let me tell you what I've accomplished.

    I told my Mafia teammates to not kill anyone. Allow the two investigatives and 3-4 protective roles to do whatever the fuck they wanted, uninhibited. Just so I could get you lynched, on the premise that I somehow knew you'd be roleblocked so I could get you lynched on that premise. But even if I didn't, I'd be able to sleep at night knowing that I killed the one and only... Card Sharp.

    How much sense does that make? You have the absolute fucking worst role in the game, by a longshot, especially for a scum player.

    I've told the doctor on me to not heal me in the event that you're town, and for the vigilante to shoot me. Either player, MM or JMW could be scum but I still don't give a shit. You never stopped to consider my side of things. Your only strategy is disparaging me by inciting paranoia over 'what i might be capable of.'

    So, if that's the case. Yeah, I don't give a shit if this is TvS, TvT or whatever the fuck you or anyone else wants to portray it as. You haven't done jack shit here. Nobody knows what your master plan for your night chat was because you never explained it, even before you were put up. You didn't need or care to. You don't remember why you scumread Gikkle because you never did. You can't, you're scum.

    Look at why JMW scumreads Gikkle. No seriously, read his ISO and why he feels how he does. It makes sense. It might not be applicable to you, but you can atleast say "yeah, those are some reasons I guess."

    Then go through your own ISO, one of the longest in the fucking game and figure out why you scumread Gikkle. Not as convincing is it?

    You want to win the game with overbearing confidence but it's not going to work. All you had to do was explain your side of things, or why you scumread Gikkle JUST LIKE AUWT ASKED YOU TO. But you didn't. Both of your roles are useless, and if my townreads still scumread I'm fine voting there.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Like, if you're so certain I'm scum and willing to die on the basis that I am shot and killed during the following night:

    Why are you still arguing? You're not trying to see me as Town. You're just wasting time. Theatrics. It's annoying and you've gotten 3 people to buy into it anyway.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    @Frinckles how are you gonna excuse yourself when I flip town? You gonna claim you got healed?
    You know I told MM not to heal me & for jmw to shoot me if you're town. Fuck off and die.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Your words mean nothing now. Move on, scumbag!
    Just fucking die already.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    whats lw im so confused pls
    LW means Last Will, basically a message left for everyone to see after you die.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Frinckles and LY actually is plausible. But why is LY voting Loldebite?
    Tell that to Mike.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I know that I don't. For this reason, I give us all the leads I can generate. Namely, I think Mafia skipped to frame me. And yeah enjoy being pocketed and dying to me N1. Move on, new game and we need to win this.
    Why the hell would mafia skip to frame your role? As opposed to any of the other ones?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    I'm open to criticism and other additions to this.
    I just want to know what your takeaway is. I like the worldbuilding though.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    And if you really think I'm scum, then town!Gikkle can grab BG out of the graveyard.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    You guys wanna give pqr 24 hours to try to another person besides himself killed? I'm saying I'm willing to die for this lynch so just do it.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Why?
    The dynamic is too polarizing now and exhausting. I'd rather be wrong and die so that the rest of the game can be solved.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    I'm just wondering why you don't think this could be T/T
    Even if it could be, it's not worth it to continue.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Why am I talking to mafia fuck off man
    you just said it was cool, 1-for-1, I'm scum to you right? You're certainly scum to me. So if I'm wrong I can die, no problem. don't back out.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Absolutely. i will take a 1-for-1.
    ok @Gikkle @Auwt here's the kicker. if he flips town, ill get shot. jmw and MM were pinged above now end the day.

    this dynamic wouldnt be healthy moving forward in the game anyway
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I know I flip town. So you think MM is town and therefore Vigi gets citizen'ed. So you just confirmed MM as town , nice
    yeah whatever, are you okay with that? we both die here if you flip town?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    No wonder you never acknowledged the possibility that MM-Doctor healed you. God damn you play a hard game, but im here to win.
    You know what PQR. If you flip town @jmw can shoot me @Marshmallow Marshall do not heal me, deal?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Unprofessional of you to do this.
    I quoted both posts for you.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    You're too close to a hammer and there are 24 hours left in the day.
    what else do you want out of the day? if he flips town you get shot. if you want us to lynch you and you flip town he gets shot. who else would we reasonably lynch here?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Quote it
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I ask you a simpler question: if there is a world in which im mafia, who are my teammates? Oh yes im Godfather and got RBed by Loldebite. you got me. Now what?
    I answered this..

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Notpaopan or even Oberon might make some sense as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Auwt+Mike make sense.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    he really did skip his mafia kill. this is why he has doesnt consider other possibilities. ofc no one will care hey im GF who got RBed by escort. this is how we LOSE. Use your heads.
    I have 60+ posts of considering other possibilities.. Where were you when we were talking about lynching Loldebite's RB target?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    -vote Frinckles

    Piss off. How do you handle a failure?
    I do not negotiate with terrorists.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    A lot of bamboozling in this thread in the past hour.
    When is this going to end?
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what useless role you want killed today? the other one is shot at night.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Notpaopan or even Oberon might make some sense as well.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Okay then humor me this: if you view me as mafia RBed by Lol. Who are partners? Please commit to naming 3 suspects or more.
    Auwt+Mike make sense.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Okay how about we do it democratic like

    @luona @Light_Yagami @Marshmallow Marshall who you want to lynch?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    you can pick the hammer, or ask luona / Light to pick one. your call. Town is winning this game already.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    You don't care about lynching the right people???
    ...
    of course i do, but i trust jmw to make a good shot here. if you TR pqr now because he's appealing to your emotion that's fine. jmw sees a world more likely where pqr is town.

    So, if two of my top townreads disagree with me, what choice do I have except to sit in this gridlock? We will get a flip, and a shot in the night and we see what happens next.
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