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Yeah gg.

Yeah gg.

Well what could I say, except congrats to the one who bussed Varcron?

Well what could I say, except congrats to the one who bussed Varcron?

I don't give a crap anymore.
I'm going to follow my scumlist order then.
At least until ceko opens his mind...
[vote]PQRnHack[/vote]

PQR apparently succeeded in converting ceko...
Sigh.

I don't give a crap anymore.
I'm going to follow my scumlist order then.
At least until ceko opens his mind...

-vote PQRnHack

PQR apparently succeeded in converting ceko...
Sigh.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931831]Nothing further, your honor.[/QUOTE]

Yeah...
For sure...

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Nothing further, your honor.

Yeah...
For sure...

This is insane.

This is insane.

Anyway good night.

Anyway good night.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931792]so my conclusion is Auwt's post was aimed at Ceko (what a shocker). Auwt already knows that neither I nor Frinckles accept it lol[/QUOTE]

The only posts I am directly aiming at ceko are the ones where I quote him or the following ones until I quote someone else.
I just find it odd you are able to lock someone as town, because I cannot "95%" lock someone right there apart from Ceko.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

so my conclusion is Auwt's post was aimed at Ceko (what a shocker). Auwt already knows that neither I nor Frinckles accept it lol

The only posts I am directly aiming at ceko are the ones where I quote him or the following ones until I quote someone else.
I just find it odd you are able to lock someone as town, because I cannot "95%" lock someone right there apart from Ceko.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931790]Ah yes, the classic of "answering" a question with a question.


OK, tell me which "possible team" I failed to suggest. It was actually your buddy Varcron that committed this crime, but not I.
And @[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849"]theoneceko[/URL] should know by now that it's a 2v2 (hard lines) and of course we will vote the same person as LTC teammates. but if you dont like that, I can vote you, Auwt, instead :)[/QUOTE]

Here it is :

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931717]I am LTC and we win together, along with Frinckles.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931791]If @Awut means the team of Frinckles+PQR, that is exactly the fake scum pairing mafia want Ceko to believe. Both Frinkles and I know that it cannot be possible, but Ceko does not know. But why would we, LTCs, ever "suggest: such a false pairing? get outtta here[/QUOTE]

If it such a false pairing why would Frinckles even state the Auwt+Frinckles team that is probably the least possible between all the other, but skipping PQR+Frinckles :

[QUOTE=Frinckles;931688]So now we need to figure out some teams <3 you auwt but im using your name for each to make it neater.


[B]Auwt+Me[/B] bus of the year can be tossed out the window. Nobody is buying that.


[B]Auwt+Varcron[/B] does make sense; the two almost exclusively never interacted before Blink's death. Auwt and Varcron slots had been averse to figuring out the last two Mafia if either had a town POV until PQR finally decided to play ball.


[B]Auwt+PQR[/B] makes little sense (as in, not a lot of sense), they had a hammer on Varcron last night -- the game would be over and I would just concede because that's just hammer blitz shenanigans.. Then again, maybe that's what this setup was made for since two people have a day chat? idk
[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Ah yes, the classic of "answering" a question with a question.


OK, tell me which "possible team" I failed to suggest. It was actually your buddy Varcron that committed this crime, but not I.
And @theoneceko should know by now that it's a 2v2 (hard lines) and of course we will vote the same person as LTC teammates. but if you dont like that, I can vote you, Auwt, instead

Here it is :

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I am LTC and we win together, along with Frinckles.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

If @Awut means the team of Frinckles+PQR, that is exactly the fake scum pairing mafia want Ceko to believe. Both Frinkles and I know that it cannot be possible, but Ceko does not know. But why would we, LTCs, ever "suggest: such a false pairing? get outtta here

If it such a false pairing why would Frinckles even state the Auwt+Frinckles team that is probably the least possible between all the other, but skipping PQR+Frinckles :

Originally Posted by Frinckles

So now we need to figure out some teams <3 you auwt but im using your name for each to make it neater.


Auwt+Me bus of the year can be tossed out the window. Nobody is buying that.


Auwt+Varcron does make sense; the two almost exclusively never interacted before Blink's death. Auwt and Varcron slots had been averse to figuring out the last two Mafia if either had a town POV until PQR finally decided to play ball.


Auwt+PQR makes little sense (as in, not a lot of sense), they had a hammer on Varcron last night -- the game would be over and I would just concede because that's just hammer blitz shenanigans.. Then again, maybe that's what this setup was made for since two people have a day chat? idk

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931786]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849"]theoneceko[/URL] my [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48830-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=931584#post931584"]scenario post[/URL] proves important. Notice how Auwt is trying to swap it from scenario 1 to scenario 2 (where he offers up Varcron to earn cred).

I don't even get Auwt's "t makes way more sense than actually seeing how PQR reacted with Frinckles, locking him as LTC, both forgetting to consider the PQR/Frinckles team, and so on."

How can an informed LTC "forget" an impossible combination? Get outta here lol[/QUOTE]

Informed LTC?
Impossible combination?

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

@theoneceko my scenario post proves important. Notice how Auwt is trying to swap it from scenario 1 to scenario 2 (where he offers up Varcron to earn cred).

I don't even get Auwt's "t makes way more sense than actually seeing how PQR reacted with Frinckles, locking him as LTC, both forgetting to consider the PQR/Frinckles team, and so on."

How can an informed LTC "forget" an impossible combination? Get outta here lol

Informed LTC?
Impossible combination?

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931784][COLOR=#00FF00]bruh, varcon is last in ur poe[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Yeah I would certainly put Varcron in first place whereas, there is this Oberon shaky unconsistent slot alongside both PQR locking Frinckles town skipping possible bussing, and each one of them forgetting to mention a possible team. And to add even more, both voting the same person right now ?

I would totally put a semi-afk slot first over the two others.....

Originally Posted by theoneceko

bruh, varcon is last in ur poe

Yeah I would certainly put Varcron in first place whereas, there is this Oberon shaky unconsistent slot alongside both PQR locking Frinckles town skipping possible bussing, and each one of them forgetting to mention a possible team. And to add even more, both voting the same person right now ?

I would totally put a semi-afk slot first over the two others.....

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931775]well, i'm pretty sure scum!auwt would not bus his partner.

so a varc and auwt team looks plausible[/QUOTE]

And "our" plan would be to send Varcron to an exilee island to make sure there is no answer from him, and I could solo the game, right?
It makes way more sense than actually seeing how PQR reacted with Frinckles, locking him as LTC, both forgetting to consider the PQR/Frinckles team, and so on.
It hurts to read such things.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

well, i'm pretty sure scum!auwt would not bus his partner.

so a varc and auwt team looks plausible

And "our" plan would be to send Varcron to an exilee island to make sure there is no answer from him, and I could solo the game, right?
It makes way more sense than actually seeing how PQR reacted with Frinckles, locking him as LTC, both forgetting to consider the PQR/Frinckles team, and so on.
It hurts to read such things.

I have no idea if Varcron is scum or town, in addition we haven't seen him around lately.
I have no idea if PQR is scum or town, but his way of siding with Frinckles is weird.
I believe Frinckles is one of the two scums.

That's where I'm currently at.

I have no idea if Varcron is scum or town, in addition we haven't seen him around lately.
I have no idea if PQR is scum or town, but his way of siding with Frinckles is weird.
I believe Frinckles is one of the two scums.

That's where I'm currently at.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931766]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29012"]Auwt[/URL] ur okay with lynching varcon right?[/QUOTE]

I don't f care anymore at this point.
Vote and I follow, or the opposite way around.

Yet, the preferable lynch order would in my opinion be Frinckles/Oberon > PQR > Varcron

Originally Posted by theoneceko

@Auwt ur okay with lynching varcon right?

I don't f care anymore at this point.
Vote and I follow, or the opposite way around.

Yet, the preferable lynch order would in my opinion be Frinckles/Oberon > PQR > Varcron

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931748]Load of BS. [SIZE=4][COLOR=#ff0000]I know Varcron is not team with Frinckles based on votes[/COLOR][/SIZE]. So remaining options Auwt+Frinckles or Auwt+Varcron. What a genius statement, guess why I said Auwt is the safest lynch?[/QUOTE]

Oh so I would have expected a self-person to just remove the pairing where this self-person is present.
But you are making a step further by adding this?
You must have a knowledge I don't or will you claim this is just a gambit/gut ?

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Load of BS. I know Varcron is not team with Frinckles based on votes. So remaining options Auwt+Frinckles or Auwt+Varcron. What a genius statement, guess why I said Auwt is the safest lynch?

Oh so I would have expected a self-person to just remove the pairing where this self-person is present.
But you are making a step further by adding this?
You must have a knowledge I don't or will you claim this is just a gambit/gut ?

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931742]Frinckles and I are both LTC's (90% is what I said, barring the wild case of Frinckles+Varcron team, which is frankly lower than the 10% so I should revise that to like 95). What are you trying to say here? Maybe you are slow on catching up on the setup, but Frinckles and I are two LTCs and Ceko is Sheriff.[/QUOTE]

To make you understand that giving an almost full town credibility to someone other than ceko in this exact case, cannot be considered pro-town at all.
You are either scum or hard gambling right there.

[SIZE=3][SPOILER="+"]

[SIZE=1]Especially in a lylo situation.....[/SIZE]

[/SPOILER]
[/SIZE]

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Frinckles and I are both LTC's (90% is what I said, barring the wild case of Frinckles+Varcron team, which is frankly lower than the 10% so I should revise that to like 95). What are you trying to say here? Maybe you are slow on catching up on the setup, but Frinckles and I are two LTCs and Ceko is Sheriff.

To make you understand that giving an almost full town credibility to someone other than ceko in this exact case, cannot be considered pro-town at all.
You are either scum or hard gambling right there.

Spoiler : + :

Especially in a lylo situation.....

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931740]Zero shits given to mafia trying to discredit me. [COLOR=#add8e6]I already know that I need to find nothing. It's for Ceko, not me.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=#add8e6]I mean you use question mark and a "Tell me" formula so uh.[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Zero shits given to mafia trying to discredit me. I already know that I need to find nothing. It's for Ceko, not me.

I mean you use question mark and a "Tell me" formula so uh.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931734]I'm freaking out because I know how to win the game and you do not (and I *KNOW* that you do not - this is the scenario #1 we're in). Frinckles is also being doubtful which I dont like, but like I said, Auwt is the safest lynch for sure. But I am 90% sure Frinckles is our other LTC here.[/QUOTE]

So we are going from :

[B][COLOR=#add8e6][I]I am LTC and we win together, along with Frinckles.[/I][/COLOR]


[/B]to :

[I][COLOR=#add8e6][B]But I am 90% sure Frinckles is our other LTC here.[/B][/COLOR][/I]

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I'm freaking out because I know how to win the game and you do not (and I *KNOW* that you do not - this is the scenario #1 we're in). Frinckles is also being doubtful which I dont like, but like I said, Auwt is the safest lynch for sure. But I am 90% sure Frinckles is our other LTC here.

So we are going from :

I am LTC and we win together, along with Frinckles.


to :

But I am 90% sure Frinckles is our other LTC here.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931731]Yeah, out of control for you because Ceko is waking up to reality.
Tell me which "two" and which "one" of them is potentially bussing? There has been zero bussing between me and Frinckles, I will not vote my LTC twin and I will not bus him. I know the solve.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Auwt;931675]Is it Varcron + PQR ? This is the one which might be the least likely. I haven't seen any scum!PQR in previous games though, so don't mark my word still.
Is it Frinckles + Varcron ? This one is already making more sense, as I seeing Frinckles leading the train would ultimately lead to Varcron's death + someone between PQR and me tomorrow (likely me in this case).
Is it Frinckles + PQR ? This one is also making sense, and I'm not erasing this option at all especially considering the voting pattern from this day.[/QUOTE]

Are you going to find it by yourself ?
I was not talking about a bussing between you and Frinckles though.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Yeah, out of control for you because Ceko is waking up to reality.
Tell me which "two" and which "one" of them is potentially bussing? There has been zero bussing between me and Frinckles, I will not vote my LTC twin and I will not bus him. I know the solve.

Originally Posted by Auwt

Is it Varcron + PQR ? This is the one which might be the least likely. I haven't seen any scum!PQR in previous games though, so don't mark my word still.
Is it Frinckles + Varcron ? This one is already making more sense, as I seeing Frinckles leading the train would ultimately lead to Varcron's death + someone between PQR and me tomorrow (likely me in this case).
Is it Frinckles + PQR ? This one is also making sense, and I'm not erasing this option at all especially considering the voting pattern from this day.

Are you going to find it by yourself ?
I was not talking about a bussing between you and Frinckles though.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;931688]so here's a thought experiment:


Player A and Player B are in a thunderdome but we already know player B loses. We find out later that player B is [COLOR=#00FF00]town[/COLOR].

I tried getting player B to not lose but it doesn't work.

Now I'm given the task to divine of 3 people (with a 66% chance of success) which two are scum.

*Question: What are the odds that Player A is scum?
[SPOILER=Answer]Pretty fucking high.[/SPOILER]

So now we need to figure out some teams <3 you auwt but im using your name for each to make it neater.

[B]Auwt+Me[/B] bus of the year can be tossed out the window. Nobody is buying that.

[B]Auwt+Varcron[/B] does make sense; the two almost exclusively never interacted before Blink's death. Auwt and Varcron slots had been averse to figuring out the last two Mafia if either had a town POV until PQR finally decided to play ball.

[B]Auwt+PQR[/B] makes little sense (as in, not a lot of sense), they had a hammer on Varcron last night -- the game would be over and I would just concede because that's just hammer blitz shenanigans.. Then again, maybe that's what this setup was made for since two people have a day chat? idk

If it wasn't apparent, Auwt is Player A in the top thought experiment.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Auwt;931697][B][COLOR=#add8e6]Looks like a team might be lacking in there.
Guess which.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frinckles;931699]Oh no no, you're absolutely correct. It'd be really unfair for me not to dispel a [COLOR=#add8e6][B]PQR/Frinckles[/B][/COLOR] scum team for you; In fact I had just started to but got caught up. (See my above post about my slots reads being consistent.)

I'll elaborate further, hold on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931717] @[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849"]theoneceko[/URL] you are reading into words too much, I guess that's what FM is about. But I am generally not emotional and much of what I said or did, esp. D1 is NAI. Now I am getting slightly emotional because I have the solve and I KNOW that you do not. But what the hell can I do to help you out here? I asked you earlier, if you view any of my comments or actions as sus, please list that out and I know I will be able to answer/defend because [COLOR=#add8e6][B]I am LTC and we win together, along with Frinckles.[/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#add8e6]Somehow I have to convince you that Auwt+Varcron are the mafia team.[/COLOR][/B][/QUOTE]



[COLOR=#add8e6][B]Why do I suddenly feel they are slipping or at least forgetting the possibility that one of the two is just bussing.
This is getting out of control.[/B][/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Frinckles

so here's a thought experiment:


Player A and Player B are in a thunderdome but we already know player B loses. We find out later that player B is town.

I tried getting player B to not lose but it doesn't work.

Now I'm given the task to divine of 3 people (with a 66% chance of success) which two are scum.

*Question: What are the odds that Player A is scum?

Spoiler : Answer :

Pretty fucking high.

So now we need to figure out some teams <3 you auwt but im using your name for each to make it neater.

Auwt+Me bus of the year can be tossed out the window. Nobody is buying that.

Auwt+Varcron does make sense; the two almost exclusively never interacted before Blink's death. Auwt and Varcron slots had been averse to figuring out the last two Mafia if either had a town POV until PQR finally decided to play ball.

Auwt+PQR makes little sense (as in, not a lot of sense), they had a hammer on Varcron last night -- the game would be over and I would just concede because that's just hammer blitz shenanigans.. Then again, maybe that's what this setup was made for since two people have a day chat? idk

If it wasn't apparent, Auwt is Player A in the top thought experiment.

Originally Posted by Auwt

Looks like a team might be lacking in there.
Guess which.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Oh no no, you're absolutely correct. It'd be really unfair for me not to dispel a PQR/Frinckles scum team for you; In fact I had just started to but got caught up. (See my above post about my slots reads being consistent.)

I'll elaborate further, hold on.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

@theoneceko you are reading into words too much, I guess that's what FM is about. But I am generally not emotional and much of what I said or did, esp. D1 is NAI. Now I am getting slightly emotional because I have the solve and I KNOW that you do not. But what the hell can I do to help you out here? I asked you earlier, if you view any of my comments or actions as sus, please list that out and I know I will be able to answer/defend because I am LTC and we win together, along with Frinckles. Somehow I have to convince you that Auwt+Varcron are the mafia team.

Why do I suddenly feel they are slipping or at least forgetting the possibility that one of the two is just bussing.
This is getting out of control.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;931688]so here's a thought experiment:


Player A and Player B are in a thunderdome but we already know player B loses. We find out later that player B is [COLOR=#00FF00]town[/COLOR].

I tried getting player B to not lose but it doesn't work.

Now I'm given the task to divine of 3 people (with a 66% chance of success) which two are scum.

*Question: What are the odds that Player A is scum?
[SPOILER=Answer]Pretty fucking high.[/SPOILER]

So now we need to figure out some teams <3 you auwt but im using your name for each to make it neater.

[B]Auwt+Me[/B] bus of the year can be tossed out the window. Nobody is buying that.

[B]Auwt+Varcron[/B] does make sense; the two almost exclusively never interacted before Blink's death. Auwt and Varcron slots had been averse to figuring out the last two Mafia if either had a town POV until PQR finally decided to play ball.

[B]Auwt+PQR[/B] makes little sense (as in, not a lot of sense), they had a hammer on Varcron last night -- the game would be over and I would just concede because that's just hammer blitz shenanigans.. Then again, maybe that's what this setup was made for since two people have a day chat? idk

If it wasn't apparent, Auwt is Player A in the top thought experiment.[/QUOTE]

Looks like a team might be lacking in there.
Guess which.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

so here's a thought experiment:


Player A and Player B are in a thunderdome but we already know player B loses. We find out later that player B is town.

I tried getting player B to not lose but it doesn't work.

Now I'm given the task to divine of 3 people (with a 66% chance of success) which two are scum.

*Question: What are the odds that Player A is scum?

Spoiler : Answer :

Pretty fucking high.

So now we need to figure out some teams <3 you auwt but im using your name for each to make it neater.

Auwt+Me bus of the year can be tossed out the window. Nobody is buying that.

Auwt+Varcron does make sense; the two almost exclusively never interacted before Blink's death. Auwt and Varcron slots had been averse to figuring out the last two Mafia if either had a town POV until PQR finally decided to play ball.

Auwt+PQR makes little sense (as in, not a lot of sense), they had a hammer on Varcron last night -- the game would be over and I would just concede because that's just hammer blitz shenanigans.. Then again, maybe that's what this setup was made for since two people have a day chat? idk

If it wasn't apparent, Auwt is Player A in the top thought experiment.

Looks like a team might be lacking in there.
Guess which.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931678]it's sad how lag's strategy got completely shot to the ground.

2 villagers and 2 mafia claimed sheriff, assuming lag-auwt is town (which i believe). however, one villager is dead (blink).

wait, does what i just said even make sense?

scum!lag would wisely not thunderdome, then hard-push for blink and oberon, who lag knows are both town and went against her "optimal strategy."

easy win for scum!lag[/QUOTE]

I can only agree with this post.
It's saddening to see numerous of Sheriff claims when the game could have easily been almost solved D1.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

it's sad how lag's strategy got completely shot to the ground.

2 villagers and 2 mafia claimed sheriff, assuming lag-auwt is town (which i believe). however, one villager is dead (blink).

wait, does what i just said even make sense?

scum!lag would wisely not thunderdome, then hard-push for blink and oberon, who lag knows are both town and went against her "optimal strategy."

easy win for scum!lag

I can only agree with this post.
It's saddening to see numerous of Sheriff claims when the game could have easily been almost solved D1.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931677]hmmmm

frinckles + varc (frinckles bussing varc)
frinckels + pqr (frinckles teaming with pq to lynch varc)

are both possible though, now that u say it.

however, u defending varc just makes u look like ur in a team with varc[/QUOTE]

I'm not here to defend Varcron, I'm just saying out of the possible pairing, Frinckles is the one that would fit the most with each one of PQR or Varcron.
If you add to it Oberon's behaviour, that IS the best possible lynch outta here.

I am however not saying Varcron is green.
Varcron and PQR are like unstable elements whereas Frinckles is a kind of certain one.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

hmmmm

frinckles + varc (frinckles bussing varc)
frinckels + pqr (frinckles teaming with pq to lynch varc)

are both possible though, now that u say it.

however, u defending varc just makes u look like ur in a team with varc

I'm not here to defend Varcron, I'm just saying out of the possible pairing, Frinckles is the one that would fit the most with each one of PQR or Varcron.
If you add to it Oberon's behaviour, that IS the best possible lynch outta here.

I am however not saying Varcron is green.
Varcron and PQR are like unstable elements whereas Frinckles is a kind of certain one.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931671]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29012"]Auwt[/URL] i assume u determined frinckles was scum on ur own. however, varcon's tunnel on frinckles makes no sense here, so don't let that sway you.

anyways here's why i think frinckles is town:



i think town!frinckles is more self-deprecating???

im okay with lynching frinckles, because it's possible that scum!oberon was on town!lag's train, but i still think varcon is the lynch for today.

my current poe is:

varc -> pqr -> frinckles -> auwt[/QUOTE]

I was not really willing to talk about the reasons that pushed someone to sub out.
But I understand Lag's reason as explained there :

[QUOTE=Auwt;931615]Ok I understand now why I am here.[/QUOTE]

I'm not scum, and you aren't either ceko.

That means there are 2 scums in the PQR/Frinckles/Varcron pool.

Is it Varcron + PQR ? This is the one which might be the least likely. I haven't seen any scum!PQR in previous games though, so don't mark my word still.
Is it Frinckles + Varcron ? This one is already making more sense, as I seeing Frinckles leading the train would ultimately lead to Varcron's death + someone between PQR and me tomorrow (likely me in this case).
Is it Frinckles + PQR ? This one is also making sense, and I'm not erasing this option at all especially considering the voting pattern from this day.

From my point of view Frinckles is the correct lynch today.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

@Auwt i assume u determined frinckles was scum on ur own. however, varcon's tunnel on frinckles makes no sense here, so don't let that sway you.

anyways here's why i think frinckles is town:



i think town!frinckles is more self-deprecating???

im okay with lynching frinckles, because it's possible that scum!oberon was on town!lag's train, but i still think varcon is the lynch for today.

my current poe is:

varc -> pqr -> frinckles -> auwt

I was not really willing to talk about the reasons that pushed someone to sub out.
But I understand Lag's reason as explained there :

Originally Posted by Auwt

Ok I understand now why I am here.

I'm not scum, and you aren't either ceko.

That means there are 2 scums in the PQR/Frinckles/Varcron pool.

Is it Varcron + PQR ? This is the one which might be the least likely. I haven't seen any scum!PQR in previous games though, so don't mark my word still.
Is it Frinckles + Varcron ? This one is already making more sense, as I seeing Frinckles leading the train would ultimately lead to Varcron's death + someone between PQR and me tomorrow (likely me in this case).
Is it Frinckles + PQR ? This one is also making sense, and I'm not erasing this option at all especially considering the voting pattern from this day.

From my point of view Frinckles is the correct lynch today.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931671]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29012"]Auwt[/URL] i assume u determined frinckles was scum on ur own. however, varcon's tunnel on frinckles makes no sense here, so don't let that sway you.

anyways here's why i think frinckles is town:



i think town!frinckles is more self-deprecating???

im okay with lynching frinckles, because it's possible that scum!oberon was on town!lag's train, but i still think varcon is the lynch for today.

my current poe is:

varc -> pqr -> frinckles -> auwt[/QUOTE]

Why would I be in last position if your best townread is Frinckles as previously stated ?
If you are truly putting me as the last one, you should realize something is off regarding PQR and Frinckles both voting Varcron (even though PQR did change to me).

Originally Posted by theoneceko

@Auwt i assume u determined frinckles was scum on ur own. however, varcon's tunnel on frinckles makes no sense here, so don't let that sway you.

anyways here's why i think frinckles is town:



i think town!frinckles is more self-deprecating???

im okay with lynching frinckles, because it's possible that scum!oberon was on town!lag's train, but i still think varcon is the lynch for today.

my current poe is:

varc -> pqr -> frinckles -> auwt

Why would I be in last position if your best townread is Frinckles as previously stated ?
If you are truly putting me as the last one, you should realize something is off regarding PQR and Frinckles both voting Varcron (even though PQR did change to me).

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931658][vote]Varcron[/vote]
@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=12998"]PQRnHack[/URL] u said varcron is a mafia member who voted you. you said the mafia team is lag-auwt + varcron. so u should have no problem voting varc.
@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29012"]Auwt[/URL] you have to unvote right now. frinckles is my strongest townread[/QUOTE]

Someone town reading/nai'ing what Oberon did, cannot have a town mindset.
I don't know how you could ever town read Frinckles' slot.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

-vote Varcron

@PQRnHack u said varcron is a mafia member who voted you. you said the mafia team is lag-auwt + varcron. so u should have no problem voting varc.
@Auwt you have to unvote right now. frinckles is my strongest townread

Someone town reading/nai'ing what Oberon did, cannot have a town mindset.
I don't know how you could ever town read Frinckles' slot.

In before Frinckles and PQR are both Mafia.

In before Frinckles and PQR are both Mafia.

Fine whatever, Frinckles should be sleeping anyway.

[unvote][/unvote]

Fine whatever, Frinckles should be sleeping anyway.

-unvote

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931647]hey @[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29012"]Auwt[/URL] did you read the entire thread? i won't blame if you didn't.

i trust lag, evry gam trst lag. so im writng u off as reee townie[/QUOTE]

I have read 90% of the thread I believe.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

hey @Auwt did you read the entire thread? i won't blame if you didn't.

i trust lag, evry gam trst lag. so im writng u off as reee townie

I have read 90% of the thread I believe.

[vote]Frinckles[/vote]

-vote Frinckles

Now to be honest I'm going to say, I have not much against you PQR.
It's just as it is because you followed Frinckles who previously was Oberon.
And that Oberon was not consistent at all regarding his read and his way of playing compared to other recent town games.

That's also why I am leaving the possibility that Varcron may eventually be scum and could have only one scum in his train (and so the other would be town).
This was stated in #620.
If this is true, then you would be the town over Frinckles.

What I am however certain of, is that I won't vote the one voted by Frinckles/Oberon due to prior elements.

Now to be honest I'm going to say, I have not much against you PQR.
It's just as it is because you followed Frinckles who previously was Oberon.
And that Oberon was not consistent at all regarding his read and his way of playing compared to other recent town games.

That's also why I am leaving the possibility that Varcron may eventually be scum and could have only one scum in his train (and so the other would be town).
This was stated in #620.
If this is true, then you would be the town over Frinckles.

What I am however certain of, is that I won't vote the one voted by Frinckles/Oberon due to prior elements.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931633]Let's see the evidence of me voting outside the thunderdome[/QUOTE]

Where is your vote then if not on Ceko nor Blinkskater?
I don't see it.
Did you take part in this thunderdome?
I don't see it.
So you are outside of it.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Let's see the evidence of me voting outside the thunderdome

Where is your vote then if not on Ceko nor Blinkskater?
I don't see it.
Did you take part in this thunderdome?
I don't see it.
So you are outside of it.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931632]Oberon(now Frinckles) votes Lag
Blink votes Lag
Ceko votes Blink
Lag votes Blink
Varcron hammers Blink[/QUOTE]

This is bs.
Oberon was not the first to vote.
Ceko/Lag casted their votes on blink way before, they just unvoted/revoted for like hours.
Oberon came WAY LATER into the game, when the thunderdome was ALREADY a thing.

I would have done exactly the same as Lag.
Being put at L-1 over a thunderdome is pitifull.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Oberon(now Frinckles) votes Lag
Blink votes Lag
Ceko votes Blink
Lag votes Blink
Varcron hammers Blink

This is bs.
Oberon was not the first to vote.
Ceko/Lag casted their votes on blink way before, they just unvoted/revoted for like hours.
Oberon came WAY LATER into the game, when the thunderdome was ALREADY a thing.

I would have done exactly the same as Lag.
Being put at L-1 over a thunderdome is pitifull.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931627]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29012"]Auwt[/URL], wanna vote Varcron? :D[/QUOTE]

*Right now both Frinckles and you are voting Varcron.

*Both Oberon and you voted out of the thunderdome between the two sheriff claims.

*I have to assume ceko is the only Sheriff here.

*I did not find any contradiction/consistency issues in Varcron's post whereas there has been in Oberon's ones.

*I know I am not scum.

So now that the situation is pretty clear,
It leaves little to no other possiblility :

Why would I vote Varcron when at least one if not two scums are in his wagon?

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

@Auwt, wanna vote Varcron?

*Right now both Frinckles and you are voting Varcron.

*Both Oberon and you voted out of the thunderdome between the two sheriff claims.

*I have to assume ceko is the only Sheriff here.

*I did not find any contradiction/consistency issues in Varcron's post whereas there has been in Oberon's ones.

*I know I am not scum.

So now that the situation is pretty clear,
It leaves little to no other possiblility :

Why would I vote Varcron when at least one if not two scums are in his wagon?

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931625]I am now certain that this is why Blink got hammered, because your slot was at L-1.[/QUOTE]

Wrong.
Lag has been pushing blink long before being put up at L-1.
Yesterday was Ceko vs Blink.
Guess who was out of this pool trying to deflect knowing what blink would flip?
Shall I recall you the votes ?

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I am now certain that this is why Blink got hammered, because your slot was at L-1.

Wrong.
Lag has been pushing blink long before being put up at L-1.
Yesterday was Ceko vs Blink.
Guess who was out of this pool trying to deflect knowing what blink would flip?
Shall I recall you the votes ?

[QUOTE=LagAttack;931386]Fucking at L-1 now myself. WHY AM I AT L-1 WHEN THERE'S LITERALLY A PERSON THAT HARD-CLAIMD SHERIFF JUST TO BACK OUT?[/QUOTE]

Ok I understand now why I am here.

Originally Posted by LagAttack

Fucking at L-1 now myself. WHY AM I AT L-1 WHEN THERE'S LITERALLY A PERSON THAT HARD-CLAIMD SHERIFF JUST TO BACK OUT?

Ok I understand now why I am here.

[QUOTE=Oberon;931289]Yeah PORNHack's Sheriff claim wasn't scummy he invalidated it in his first post. It's not the claim itself that's scummy. It's also not retracting that's scummy; it's the context. Claiming Sheriff as a joke, and then unclaiming a few minutes later is too pro-town. Which is why it's scummy. Scum do that to avoid pressure.[/QUOTE]

Look how Oberon backed up PQR's claim :

[COLOR=#ff0000][I]"It's not the claim itself that's scummy. It's also not retracting that's scummy; it's the context"

"Claiming Sheriff as a joke, and then unclaiming a few minutes later is too pro-town."

[/I][/COLOR]What's the deal of saying PQR is pro-town and Varcron is scummy for doing exactly the same??

[COLOR=#ffffff][B]Both claimed Sheriff, both retracted, both said it was for the meme.

Oberon's view on PQR : Town.
Oberon's view on Varcron : Scum.[/B][/COLOR]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Yeah PORNHack's Sheriff claim wasn't scummy he invalidated it in his first post. It's not the claim itself that's scummy. It's also not retracting that's scummy; it's the context. Claiming Sheriff as a joke, and then unclaiming a few minutes later is too pro-town. Which is why it's scummy. Scum do that to avoid pressure.

Look how Oberon backed up PQR's claim :

"It's not the claim itself that's scummy. It's also not retracting that's scummy; it's the context"

"Claiming Sheriff as a joke, and then unclaiming a few minutes later is too pro-town."

What's the deal of saying PQR is pro-town and Varcron is scummy for doing exactly the same??

Both claimed Sheriff, both retracted, both said it was for the meme.

Oberon's view on PQR : Town.
Oberon's view on Varcron : Scum.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931219]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=45595"]Oberon[/URL] don't vote early, it's L-3 for all (and mafia have 2 votes)[/QUOTE]

That's funny to read this, I have no idea why.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

@Oberon don't vote early, it's L-3 for all (and mafia have 2 votes)

That's funny to read this, I have no idea why.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931587]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29012"]Auwt[/URL][/QUOTE]

Well in that case you might be mistaking in my opinion.
Just have a look at this for instance :

[QUOTE=Oberon;931216][vote]Varcron[/vote]
Claiming Sheriff and then unclaiming it is kinda wolfy. You standing by the reasons here?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Auwt;931501]Not that I'm defending Varcron, but claiming and retracting is a play you are familiar with.
Consistency is lacking a bit there.[/QUOTE]

Would you honestly see a town!Oberon claiming that RETRACTING A CLAIM IS SCUMMY ?
That's seems to be way off.

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION]

Originally Posted by theoneceko

@Auwt

Well in that case you might be mistaking in my opinion.
Just have a look at this for instance :

Originally Posted by Oberon

-vote Varcron

Claiming Sheriff and then unclaiming it is kinda wolfy. You standing by the reasons here?

Originally Posted by Auwt

Not that I'm defending Varcron, but claiming and retracting is a play you are familiar with.
Consistency is lacking a bit there.

Would you honestly see a town!Oberon claiming that RETRACTING A CLAIM IS SCUMMY ?
That's seems to be way off.

@theoneceko

Anyway before attempting anything crazy,
I am going to head to dream land, and hopefully have a fresher mind tomorrow.

Anyway before attempting anything crazy,
I am going to head to dream land, and hopefully have a fresher mind tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;931502]How much do you like Occam's razor?

I didn't vote for Blink and wanted your slot lynched while you were in a thunderdome with Blink.

From the perspective of Varcron/PQRN both being town I would be bussing you in that scenario which we both know is untrue.

Therefore, one or both of them is scum from our perspectives. Not only this, but if you and PQRN are teamed up all it would take is your two votes to hammer him if he's town. Obviously PQRN isn't online but that could change rather quickly. Doesn't have high impact on the game at the moment, but it's worth mentioning.

Regardless, I don't see you teamed up with PQRN as I outlined to Ceko last page. I see you with Varcron here or Varcron with PQRN.

So, which one would you prefer we lynched? Varcron works in both worlds I see plausible, do you agree?[/QUOTE]

The thing is that, if you truly are town, then the solve should be Varcron/PQR.
But you are so eager to get a lynch that I'm starting doubting, especially considering Oberon's consistency throughout the different games he has played.

Another possibility would also be PQR and you, or even darker, Varcron and you, since Varcron has not been insta-hammered yet.
The fact that you voted someone to a L-2 shows you KNOW 100% what you are doing, but that's the kind of play I would see from a town!Frinckles or a scum!Frinckles.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

How much do you like Occam's razor?

I didn't vote for Blink and wanted your slot lynched while you were in a thunderdome with Blink.

From the perspective of Varcron/PQRN both being town I would be bussing you in that scenario which we both know is untrue.

Therefore, one or both of them is scum from our perspectives. Not only this, but if you and PQRN are teamed up all it would take is your two votes to hammer him if he's town. Obviously PQRN isn't online but that could change rather quickly. Doesn't have high impact on the game at the moment, but it's worth mentioning.

Regardless, I don't see you teamed up with PQRN as I outlined to Ceko last page. I see you with Varcron here or Varcron with PQRN.

So, which one would you prefer we lynched? Varcron works in both worlds I see plausible, do you agree?

The thing is that, if you truly are town, then the solve should be Varcron/PQR.
But you are so eager to get a lynch that I'm starting doubting, especially considering Oberon's consistency throughout the different games he has played.

Another possibility would also be PQR and you, or even darker, Varcron and you, since Varcron has not been insta-hammered yet.
The fact that you voted someone to a L-2 shows you KNOW 100% what you are doing, but that's the kind of play I would see from a town!Frinckles or a scum!Frinckles.

[QUOTE=Oberon;931216][vote]Varcron[/vote]
Claiming Sheriff and then unclaiming it is kinda wolfy. You standing by the reasons here?[/QUOTE]

Not that I'm defending Varcron, but claiming and retracting is a play you are familiar with.
Consistency is lacking a bit there.

Originally Posted by Oberon

-vote Varcron

Claiming Sheriff and then unclaiming it is kinda wolfy. You standing by the reasons here?

Not that I'm defending Varcron, but claiming and retracting is a play you are familiar with.
Consistency is lacking a bit there.

[QUOTE=Oberon;931212]Why do we have 3 sheriff claims?[/QUOTE]

Lmao.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Why do we have 3 sheriff claims?

Lmao.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;931497]So auwt it's Varcron and pqrn right?[/QUOTE]

Atm I haven't seen any post from Oberon or you.

The possible pairings that stand out are :

Varcron/PQR
PQR/Frinckles
Frinckles/Varcron

But that's only with the assumptions of having not seen any of your post AND that ceko is the uncced Sheriff right now.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

So auwt it's Varcron and pqrn right?

Atm I haven't seen any post from Oberon or you.

The possible pairings that stand out are :

Varcron/PQR
PQR/Frinckles
Frinckles/Varcron

But that's only with the assumptions of having not seen any of your post AND that ceko is the uncced Sheriff right now.

[QUOTE=Varcron;931205]Yeah this is 100% right from Ceko

I think lag overreacted by saying that it was only him that was getting shit thrown towards them, it was a group of us.

Do I think the amount of shit thrown was out of desperation? I kind of do, and that's why I'm not ruling out voting blink, however I don't think turbo is the way to go in any scenario with Lazy

IMO scum!blink I could see fake claiming sheriff and doing exactly what he did as a high risk-reward play.[/QUOTE]

Probably still some kind of grudges from previous game. (Lag/blink)

Originally Posted by Varcron

Yeah this is 100% right from Ceko

I think lag overreacted by saying that it was only him that was getting shit thrown towards them, it was a group of us.

Do I think the amount of shit thrown was out of desperation? I kind of do, and that's why I'm not ruling out voting blink, however I don't think turbo is the way to go in any scenario with Lazy

IMO scum!blink I could see fake claiming sheriff and doing exactly what he did as a high risk-reward play.

Probably still some kind of grudges from previous game. (Lag/blink)

[QUOTE=LagAttack;931183][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=#00FFFF]THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE WAY TO PLAY THIS SAVE:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
SHERIFF PUBLICALLY REVEALS

IF NO ONE COUNTER CLAIMS, GREAT, SHERIFF LEADS TOWN.

IF YOU GET TWO SHERIFF CLAIMS, EVEN BETTER, YOU LYNCH ONE SINCE THEY ARE SCUM AND THE OTHER IS REAL SHERIFF.

THAT WHOLE STRATEGY DOESN'T WORK IF YOU LET ONE OF THE COUNTER CLAIMS OUT OF IT. THAT'S HOW YOU LET MAFIA WIN MORE OFTEN THAN TOWN - THAT'S WHY HELZ SAID IN THE SETUP THREAD THAT HE THINKS THE SAVE IS TOO SCUM FAVORED - BECAUSE PEOPLE GET COLD FEET AND LET SCUM GET AWAY WITH SHIT.


But fuck me for wanting to stick to the optimal strategy, right? Apparently wanting to stick to the optimal strategy to win and pushing hard for the person I read to be far scummy in the thunderdome makes me scum.[/QUOTE]

Tbh this is the way to solve this setup.
I back up Lag's vote on blink, I would have totally voted blink if I had been here D1.
And at the time I'm reading this post more than 3+ people claimed it.
Supposingly either maf made an attempt or there are multiple trolling citizens.

Originally Posted by LagAttack

THE FUCKING OBJECTIVE WAY TO PLAY THIS SAVE:
SHERIFF PUBLICALLY REVEALS

IF NO ONE COUNTER CLAIMS, GREAT, SHERIFF LEADS TOWN.

IF YOU GET TWO SHERIFF CLAIMS, EVEN BETTER, YOU LYNCH ONE SINCE THEY ARE SCUM AND THE OTHER IS REAL SHERIFF.

THAT WHOLE STRATEGY DOESN'T WORK IF YOU LET ONE OF THE COUNTER CLAIMS OUT OF IT. THAT'S HOW YOU LET MAFIA WIN MORE OFTEN THAN TOWN - THAT'S WHY HELZ SAID IN THE SETUP THREAD THAT HE THINKS THE SAVE IS TOO SCUM FAVORED - BECAUSE PEOPLE GET COLD FEET AND LET SCUM GET AWAY WITH SHIT.


But fuck me for wanting to stick to the optimal strategy, right? Apparently wanting to stick to the optimal strategy to win and pushing hard for the person I read to be far scummy in the thunderdome makes me scum.

Tbh this is the way to solve this setup.
I back up Lag's vote on blink, I would have totally voted blink if I had been here D1.
And at the time I'm reading this post more than 3+ people claimed it.
Supposingly either maf made an attempt or there are multiple trolling citizens.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;931133]Lmao no you didn't even ask for my reasons for doing what i did, you just auto vote me and say i cant be town because im not sheriff. You are further outting yourself as scum here.[/QUOTE]

I still don't see the point of doing that as a Citizen.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

Lmao no you didn't even ask for my reasons for doing what i did, you just auto vote me and say i cant be town because im not sheriff. You are further outting yourself as scum here.

I still don't see the point of doing that as a Citizen.

[QUOTE=Varcron;931130]No, quite frankly, I can't guess what you're hard claiming.

If that's an attempt to divert the attention away from you after being moved to L-1 by some dumbass then that gives you scum credibility.[/QUOTE]

Blink voted you before entering L-1.
I don't think that was an attempt to divert the attention.
Anyway with Ceko ccing and forcing the thunderdome, it would not have changed the outcome imo...

Originally Posted by Varcron

No, quite frankly, I can't guess what you're hard claiming.

If that's an attempt to divert the attention away from you after being moved to L-1 by some dumbass then that gives you scum credibility.

Blink voted you before entering L-1.
I don't think that was an attempt to divert the attention.
Anyway with Ceko ccing and forcing the thunderdome, it would not have changed the outcome imo...

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931117]My vote will stand on ceko. It makes no sense for a pro player to consider a universe with the 2 mafia both claiming Sheriff.[/QUOTE]

Yup, I would not expect it either.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

My vote will stand on ceko. It makes no sense for a pro player to consider a universe with the 2 mafia both claiming Sheriff.

Yup, I would not expect it either.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;931081]If I had to take an associative guess on a team right now it would be Ceko + Lag[/QUOTE]

I don't know if my talk is worth something here.
But atm I find Ceko as a misguided townie.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

If I had to take an associative guess on a team right now it would be Ceko + Lag

I don't know if my talk is worth something here.
But atm I find Ceko as a misguided townie.

[QUOTE=Varcron;931050]Isn't that exactly what blink said a few posts back but with an uno reverso?[/QUOTE]

^ .

Originally Posted by Varcron

Isn't that exactly what blink said a few posts back but with an uno reverso?

^ .