Board Meeting Two: Death of A Familiar Face

[Jarvan IV]

It looks like my claim has actually made my look scummier. Oh my.

Damn fucking straight you (s)cummy fuck.

[Katarina]

I'm faking being worse than I really am.

There are only a few people with arrogance like that, and only one who would say such things as you have. You are definitely who I think you are

[Lee Sin]

There are only a few people with arrogance like that, and only one who would say such things as you have. You are definitely who I think you are

Don't mistake me for some bastard loser, like Rocshi. He's shit at this. Make sure you got it right.

[Fizz]

What? This is my firm FM? Are you guys continuing to think I'm Ubernox?

And anyways Fizz, its not just one vote. You, Jarvan, and also I have been listed as number one on many people's scum lists (Graves for instance). I just don't understand why I am the scummy one when there are so many lurkers/strange claims out there.

Ok... you pressure me to reveal my role, and then you claim that I am lying once I have claimed. Thank you for the support.

I don't care if you think I'm the drug dealer. Go fucking ahead. Lynch me. I dare you.

So much derp here.

Jarvan does not even have a vote on you, only me. 1 SINGLE VOTE. Do you get that as a power role you're supposed to keep your identity secret, yet with 17 votes to go before you could be lynched you decide shit's hitting the fan and you need to roleclaim? I'm not sure I can believe that anybody could seriously not get that.

You've claimed far too quickly. This makes you even more suspicious.

[Jarvan IV]

There are only a few people with arrogance like that, and only one who would say such things as you have. You are definitely who I think you are

A fly made of semen?

You (s)cummy fag

[Gangplank]

I just don't understand the logic on this. There are many other options to explore out there like Zilean or Karthus and yet I am being targeted for "pussyfooting" (when I actually did shit) and then for my escort role claim.

Ok. This makes a lot of sense to me.

[Jarvan IV]

I just don't understand the logic on this. There are many other options to explore out there like Zilean or Karthus and yet I am being targeted for "pussyfooting" (when I actually did shit) and then for my escort role claim.

Ok. This makes a lot of sense to me.

You gonna cry about it? :(

[Lee Sin]

I'm still waiting on Alistar's claim.

[Gangplank]

So much derp here.

Jarvan does not even have a vote on you, only me. 1 SINGLE VOTE. Do you get that as a power role you're supposed to keep your identity secret, yet with 17 votes to go before you could be lynched you decide shit's hitting the fan and you need to roleclaim? I'm not sure I can believe that anybody could seriously not get that.

You've claimed far too quickly. This makes you even more suspicious.

Forget about the damn votes. Everyone has me tagged as scum. If I didn't claim, then people would pile up on me until I did claim, wasting valuable time for the town.

If you guys wanna lynch me, just get the hammer done quick so that you can look at the other leads.

Kthxbai.

[Caitlyn]

It looks like my claim has actually made my look scummier. Oh my.

-vote Gangplank for LVP

ummm, what?
Are we supposed to believe that your'e a town player after you claimed?

[Jarvan IV]

I'm still waiting on Alistar's claim.

He's not going to do it. Everyone is too fucking dumb to vote him though, so I go for second scummiest drug dealer there is. Gangplank.

[Katarina]

Don't mistake me for some bastard loser, like Rocshi. He's shit at this. Make sure you got it right.

You began playing in FM5

[Gangplank]

Better me than our sheriffs/investigators/docs/Rikkin.

tbh I really just wanted to play citizen, but fate conspired against me.

[Lee Sin]

A pebble's skip across water makes ripples

[Sona]

THE BA'KU ARE HOPELESS.

IMMORTALITY WILL SOON BE OURS.

[Jarvan IV]

You began playing in FM5

STOP DETRACTING FROM THE FACT YOUR AVATAR IS A FLY MADE OF SEMEN.

WHAT IS YOUR ROLE? YOU KEEP TRYING TO DETRACT SUSPICION ON ALISTAR, YOU MAFIA FUCKER

[Fizz]

You began playing in FM5

Nah, it's not him.

[Gangplank]

-vote Gangplank for LVP

ummm, what?
Are we supposed to believe that your'e a town player after you claimed?

Ya I really did play like shit to be pegged as mafia on day 1 as a town PR.

Oh well. Lynch me and get it over with so I can wipe away the memory of this disaster.

[Jarvan IV]

Nah, it's not him.

No, but you're Ash.

[Renekton]

Gankplank if you are new and this is your first FM you could savely claim your COM because nobody gives a flying fuck about newcomers. But since you are not you surely can´t do this, because of the rules. Elixier would just step in and reveal your real com.

If you are speaking the truth you should just claim your COM. This would make your case much more believable.

Cheerio

[Caitlyn]

THE BA'KU ARE HOPELESS.

IMMORTALITY WILL SOON BE OURS.

Seriouslyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

stop trying to slip through the radar by jamming it......

[Lee Sin]

Nah, it's not him.

Fizz is right. I started playing before that.

[Fizz]

Better me than our sheriffs/investigators/docs/Rikkin.

tbh I really just wanted to play citizen, but fate conspired against me.

I swear I saw a rule stating you couldn't lie about forum identity but I can't find it now. Either way, let's hear your real forum name. Maybe somebody will counterclaim you if you lie.

[Gangplank]

Ummm Ok. My COM is Kovath. Irelia/Blazer can confirm this.

[Jarvan IV]

MY COM IS ::::::::::::::::

BRUNO

[Jarvan IV]

I swear I saw a rule stating you couldn't lie about forum identity but I can't find it now. Either way, let's hear your real forum name. Maybe somebody will counterclaim you if you lie.

ASH!?>!?!?!?!?!?!?!?21212!?@?!2!/21@?1@?1@!@?.12.;1@

[Gangplank]

But can someone please explain to me why I am so scummy, even before that whole mess with Fizz? Like why Graves had me down as #1 on his scumlist like on page 5?

At least let me understand and learn before I die tonight.

[Lee Sin]

Ummm Ok. My COM is Kovath. Irelia/Blazer can confirm this.

Too bad my FOS is on Irelia. That only adds to your scummyness in my eyes. But not enough to make me unvote Alistar. I'm still waiting...

[Jarvan IV]

But can someone please explain to me why I am so scummy, even before that whole mess with Fizz? Like why Graves had me down as #1 on his scumlist like on page 5?

At least let me understand and learn before I die tonight.

Because you're the Drug Dealer.

[Caitlyn]

But can someone please explain to me why I am so scummy, even before that whole mess with Fizz? Like why Graves had me down as #1 on his scumlist like on page 5?

At least let me understand and learn before I die tonight.

BEcause you over-reacted to a few players thinking you were scummy. The End.

[Lee Sin]

Because you're the Drug Dealer.

You forget so easily that he could be an consort. Orrianna could know for certain that she was role blocked by her role. And besides, a role block is certain to be shown as drugs if the player has a results PM coming for him. I think that he's the consort.

[Jarvan IV]

BEcause you over-reacted to a few players thinking you were scummy. The End.

+1, and I thought I looked scummy. Holy shit!

[Gangplank]

Lee Sin: If I was lying about my COM name then Elixir would step in I believe.

If I was a new player and the Drug Dealer, why the fuck would I be so active/accusatory toward strange claims? I would have had a better strategy than being instant scum in most people's eyes if I was in the mafia.

Whatever, lynch me all you want. I already failed uber hard anyway.

[Gangplank]

BEcause you over-reacted to a few players thinking you were scummy. The End.

I was already being called scum before then.

[Katarina]

But can someone please explain to me why I am so scummy, even before that whole mess with Fizz? Like why Graves had me down as #1 on his scumlist like on page 5?

At least let me understand and learn before I die tonight.

It is because right now you seem like one huge distraction meant to avert the town's attention to you from some other source, although I can't really judge considering my back and forth with Dust

[Lee Sin]

Lee Sin: If I was lying about my COM name then Elixir would step in I believe.

If I was a new player and the Drug Dealer, why the fuck would I be so active/accusatory toward strange claims? I would have had a better strategy than being instant scum in most people's eyes if I was in the mafia.

Whatever, lynch me all you want. I already failed uber hard anyway.

I'm not saying you're lying about your ID. I'm saying that having someone who can confirm you who is on my scum list is scummy.

[Sona]

Seriouslyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

stop trying to slip through the radar by jamming it......

THIS SPECIMEN COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. BE WARY BUT NOT TOO WARY.

ACCUSING THE SON'A WITHOUT DATA WILL NOT SUFFICE.

THE SON'A WILL BE AVENGED IF INJUSTICE IS DONE.

MARK OUR WORDS.

[Gangplank]

It is because right now you seem like one huge distraction meant to avert the town's attention to you from some other source, although I can't really judge considering my back and forth with Dust

I was actually trying to divert the town's attention to the unusual/problematic claims like Jarvan's jail claim and Zilean, but ok. If that's what you think.

[Lee Sin]

It is because right now you seem like one huge distraction meant to avert the town's attention to you from some other source, although I can't really judge considering my back and forth with Dust

You thought I was Dust? You really are retarded. Dust is a loser. His ego is too big. He's not a winner like me.

[Gangplank]

I'm not saying you're lying about your ID. I'm saying that having someone who can confirm you who is on my scum list is scummy.

Are you thinking that I'm saying Blazer could confirm my role? I was saying he could confirm my COM.

[Jarvan IV]

It is because right now you seem like one huge distraction meant to avert the town's attention to you from some other source, although I can't really judge considering my back and forth with Dust

Trolling aside, Katarina. I think he's trying to cover for Alistar. When people started wanting his role, he reveals his instead. Maybe Alistar is high ranking Assassin and Gangplank is a next to useless role?

PS: My jail claim is 100% FACT mother fucker.

Lynch me, watch me cry like you are now :(

[Lee Sin]

Are you thinking that I'm saying Blazer could confirm my role? I was saying he could confirm my COM.

That's what I mean, dumbshit.

[Alistar]

Alistar should claim. He's been accused by the best FM player.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/krevster/boromirroleclaim.jpg

[Caitlyn]

THIS SPECIMEN COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. BE WARY BUT NOT TOO WARY.

ACCUSING THE SON'A WITHOUT DATA WILL NOT SUFFICE.

THE SON'A WILL BE AVENGED IF INJUSTICE IS DONE.

MARK OUR WORDS.


Okay, trying to slip through the radar via invisible cloak + Jamming device + Smokescreen
Your attempts at slipping through the radar are too obvious.

[Lee Sin]

Alistar, claim now. The rest of the votes don't matter. Only my vote matters in this. Claim now. The town requires it.

[Jarvan IV]

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h184/krevster/boromirroleclaim.jpg

.. That's what you've been doing? A lot of people think you're scummy. A lot more than who think Gang is scummy. State your role or be lynched.

[Katarina]

Lee Sin: If I was lying about my COM name then Elixir would step in I believe.

If I was a new player and the Drug Dealer, why the fuck would I be so active/accusatory toward strange claims? I would have had a better strategy than being instant scum in most people's eyes if I was in the mafia.

Whatever, lynch me all you want. I already failed uber hard anyway.

It is because you are reacting the way you are from prosecutions that held no water. It seems like you are a scum player with no experience in the field and are flailing about in confusion because you are afraid of getting lynched. Therefore you want to cause as much confusion as possible before you die, similar to Lionel in FM7

[Alistar]

Alistar, claim now. The rest of the votes don't matter. Only my vote matters in this. Claim now. The town requires it.

Are you thejackofspades by any chance? That is the only person I could think of that would be so arrogant.

[Jarvan IV]

Are you thejackofspades by any chance? That is the only person I could think of that would be so arrogant.

For all you know Lee Sin is mayor or vig. If I were you, I'd claim. Erudito.

[Katarina]

Are you thejackofspades by any chance? That is the only person I could think of that would be so arrogant.

No he's Dust. 100%

[Lee Sin]

Are you thejackofspades by any chance? That is the only person I could think of that would be so arrogant.

The town requires your claim.

[Lee Sin]

No he's Dust. 100%

...And you're Yayap. No, I am not Dust.

[Gangplank]

It is because you are reacting the way you are from prosecutions that held no water. It seems like you are a scum player with no experience in the field and are flailing about in confusion because you are afraid of getting lynched. Therefore you want to cause as much confusion as possible before you die, similar to Lionel in FM7

O....K...

Prosecution that held no water? I have said this before, a LOT of people think I'm scum. Might as well get that shit out of the way.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[Jarvan IV]

Stop dodging the question Alistar.

[Lee Sin]

Alistar, claim or face the consequences.

[Gangplank]

How bout this: someone investigate me tonight. I think that will clear it all up really well.

Might as well die as a townie.

[Sona]

Okay, trying to slip through the radar via invisible cloak + Jamming device + Smokescreen
Your attempts at slipping through the radar are too obvious.

YOUR ATTEMPTS AT SCUM READING HAVE FAILED.

YOUR ATTEMPTS AT FAKING SCUM READS HAVE FAILED.

OUR HOLOSHIP STANDS FIRM.

REQUESTING ASSISTANCE IN THE TERMINATION OF FIDDLESTICKS' CONTRACT.

SIGN BELOW.

[Katarina]

Alistar, I suggest you not roleclaim yet. I have suspicions on a number of people who are accusing you, and it could be a scum attempt at a PR role claim, or PR bandwagon

[Jarvan IV]

Alistar, claim or face the consequences.

I agree with you if you kill him. Just saying, ATM all trolling aside, he is the scummiest person currently around by far.

Gangplank, you're not in spotlight anymore. Stop fucking bitching you melodramatic fuck.

[Renekton]

If he is Dust then his being jailed thing is nothing else than an act. Out of all players on the COM board he has the most xp at playing jailor. He wastes a lot of his time in inventing codes. This would explain the 3 jailor problem we have to face right now.
It´s no big deal for him to fake jail logs.

Cheerio

[Gangplank]

-vote Alistar

To be honest, I think it's just WIFOM but it's really such a distraction that it's not accomplishing anything for the town.

[Alistar]

I agree with you if you kill him. Just saying, ATM all trolling aside, he is the scummiest person currently around by far.

Gangplank, you're not in spotlight anymore. Stop fucking bitching you melodramatic fuck.

Jarvan would you watch your tone? You can't make one god damn post without swearing and personal insults. You are scummy yourself so your pressure means nothing to me and lee sin is just coming off as overly arrogant so I see no reason to claim for now. Claiming only helps the mafia, why are you so insistent on me roleclaiming Lee Sin? What do you seek to gain other than having more roles out in the open for the mafia to use?

[Katarina]

If he is Dust then his being jailed thing is nothing else than an act. Out of all players on the COM board he has the most xp at playing jailor. He wastes a lot of his time in inventing codes. This would explain the 3 jailor problem we have to face right now.
It´s no big deal for him to fake jail logs.

Cheerio

Now that you mention it, this is a very real possibility. He very well could have faked the entire log. Making up an animus supervisor number, and faking Quotes are very possible, which would explain Elixir's freak out, as many people believe quotes to be truth. Hmmmm. What a very interesting proposal.

[Caitlyn]

-vote Lee Sin

Do you REAALLLY want us all to claim like Gangplank did?

[Jarvan IV]

Jarvan would you watch your tone? You can't make one god damn post without swearing and personal insults. You are scummy yourself so your pressure means nothing to me and lee sin is just coming off as overly arrogant so I see no reason to claim for now. Claiming only helps the mafia, why are you so insistent on me roleclaiming Lee Sin? What do you seek to gain other than having more roles out in the open for the mafia to use?

Alistar, I'd type you a lengthy post of saying "I'm a citizen, I don't fucking care for you opinion, but it's too much effort to control c and control v that many times over, so I will give you a picture instead.

http://i39.tinypic.com/21k9g9e.jpg

[Lee Sin]

-vote Lee Sin

Do you REAALLLY want us all to claim like Gangplank did?

No. I want Alistar to claim. I am FOSing her.

[Lee Sin]

If he is Dust then his being jailed thing is nothing else than an act. Out of all players on the COM board he has the most xp at playing jailor. He wastes a lot of his time in inventing codes. This would explain the 3 jailor problem we have to face right now.
It´s no big deal for him to fake jail logs.

Cheerio

I did not fake the jailor chat. The only thing I did was paraphrase what I said.

[Lee Sin]

Jarvan would you watch your tone? You can't make one god damn post without swearing and personal insults. You are scummy yourself so your pressure means nothing to me and lee sin is just coming off as overly arrogant so I see no reason to claim for now. Claiming only helps the mafia, why are you so insistent on me roleclaiming Lee Sin? What do you seek to gain other than having more roles out in the open for the mafia to use?

You are acting scummy. I see that and I see you defending it like nobodies business. That is why I want you to claim.

[Nautilus]

-vote alistar

[Katarina]

I did not fake the jailor chat. The only thing I did was paraphrase what I said.

Right now its your word against someone else's. For all we know, you could be a mafia member, or even the serial killer. You could be pretending to be jailed, so that people don't suspect you are the serial killer. This would be a genius play.

[Lee Sin]

Right now its your word against someone else's. For all we know, you could be a mafia member, or even the serial killer. You could be pretending to be jailed, so that people don't suspect you are the serial killer. This would be a genius play.

Jail doesn't role block. Even that I've been jailed I'm not cleared of anything. You should realize that.

[Katarina]

Jail doesn't role block. Even that I've been jailed I'm not cleared of anything. You should realize that.

I'm just leaving everything up to a possibility. I do not want another reiteration of the mafia being the town leaders like in FM9

[Lee Sin]

I'm just leaving everything up to a possibility. I do not want another reiteration of the mafia being the town leaders like in FM9

Very prudent of you. I do not want to see that either.

[Lee Sin]

But now I want Alistar's claim

[Renekton]

If we lose this game i will stop bothering with FM. We can´t possibly lose this.

[Katarina]

If we lose this game i will stop bothering with FM. We can´t possibly lose this.

That seems rather presumptuous

[Renekton]

That seems rather presumptuous

Yeah right. Oh wait NO ITS NOT! :D

[Karthus]

Round and Round the sheep doth go
Moving so fast, refusing to grow
Escaping from logic at break neck speeds
With mafia dictators planting their seeds

Never before have I seen such a mess
It's just a bit hard for me to assess
The wonderful fleeting nature of fun
Being eclipsed by the wager of one

My Hope and My patience is all I've got left
You're much to distracted to deal with the theft
The theft of your dignity the theft of your pride
The theft that has created the greatest divide
The divide of our trust which is the one that's most strong
For without it, then we must be definitely wrong.

[Lee Sin]

Now give us real poetry.

[Gangplank]

Round and Round the sheep doth go
Moving so fast, refusing to grow
Escaping from logic at break neck speeds
With mafia dictators planting their seeds

Never before have I seen such a mess
It's just a bit hard for me to assess
The wonderful fleeting nature of fun
Being eclipsed by the wager of one

My Hope and My patience is all I've got left
You're much to distracted to deal with the theft
The theft of your dignity the theft of your pride
The theft that has created the greatest divide
The divide of our trust which is the one that's most strong
For without it, then we must be definitely wrong.

Was that supposed to be an English sonnet?

In any case, wtf are you trying to say?

[Lee Sin]

Was that supposed to be an English sonnet?

In any case, wtf are you trying to say?

He thinks the mafia are controlling the lynch targets right now.

[Lux]

Le sigh.

A girl can't see The Hunger Games without 150 more posts. murr

Gore/Lee Sin, just because I'm better than you at HoN doesn't mean I'm bad at FM.

[Lee Sin]

Le sigh.

A girl can't see The Hunger Games without 150 more posts. murr


How was it?
You're horrible at FM :p

[Gangplank]

How was it?
You're horrible at FM :p

Lol Lee you are so nice. Gotta appreciate them acts of kindness.

[Lux]

How was it?
You're horrible at FM :p

Bitch it was great.

May I bring you back to M-FMIII by any chance. "Hai im cit guiz"

[Lee Sin]

Lol Lee you are so nice. Gotta appreciate them acts of kindness.

How astute you must be to find invisible ink when I let you see it.

[Renekton]

I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
I sleep all night and I work all day
I cut down trees, I eat my lunch
I go to the lavat'ry
On Wednesdays I go shopping
And have buttered scones for tea

I cut down trees, I skip and jump
I like to press wild flow'rs
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars

I cut down trees, I wear high heels
Suspendies and a bra
I wish I'd been a girlie
Just like my dear papa

Oh dude just shut up, all you do whole day is pressing R. "Securing" kills. Then you just miss every fucking mine possible and blame the jungler because your starting item was a mana crystal...

Feeder!

[Lee Sin]

Alistar still needs to claim

[Gangplank]

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Oh dude just shut up, all you do whole day is pressing R. "Securing" kills. Then you just miss every fucking mine possible and blame the jungler because your starting item was a mana crystal...

Feeder!

I smell bad ziggs player. Boots 3 pots is best.

Anyways away from the trolling stuff, I like how Alistar has gone lurk mode.

[Katarina]

I do admit, while I disagree with him roleclaiming, he has been rather silent lately ever since a few people were asking for a role claim

[Nunu]

Lazy day for the Nunu. I'll make sure to vote quite a few hours before deadline, but I got to go right now.

[Alistar]

I do admit, while I disagree with him roleclaiming, he has been rather silent lately ever since a few people were asking for a role claim

Sorry I've been playing video games. I am not roleclaiming, I don't know what else to say.

[Jarvan IV]

How was it?
You're horrible at FM :p

Wait a minute. Are you Goremancer? My jailor said he was Goremancer. So either you're the jailor, or my jailor broke a rule and called a different COM.

[Lee Sin]

Alistar, you will claim.

[Lee Sin]

Wait a minute. Are you Goremancer? My jailor said he was Goremancer. So either you're the jailor, or my jailor broke a rule and called a different COM.

You're retarded. Learn to read.

[Jarvan IV]

No need for such violence, brah.

[Jarvan IV]

Why so defensive?

Come to think of it, Lee, what IS your COM?

[Lee Sin]

Why so defensive?

Come to think of it, Lee, what IS your COM?

Why do you need to know?

[Jarvan IV]

Why do you need to know?

Why won't you tell me?

[Lee Sin]

Why won't you tell me?

How long can we go before we stop asking questions and answer one of them?

[Renekton]

If i remember Goremancer was once before jailor in m-fm V hosted by Mcpwnage. There is a link in the V for Victory epilogue thread to the jail chat. You could compare the jailchat there with your last night experience.

Cheerio

[Jarvan IV]

How long can we go before we stop asking questions and answer one of them?

I've answered plenty of questions. Probably more than anyone here.
I want to know your role. You see, my jailor said his COM was Goremancer.
I asked if you're Goremancer, and you call me a retard and tell me to learn to read,
but in invisible in someone called you "HoN/Goremancer".
So what's your name, Lee?
What if your convenient story of being jailed is to cover the fact
you jailed me last night? Hmm?
You keep threatening people as if you have the ability to end their lives.
You've got explaining to do, Lee.

[Lee Sin]

I've answered plenty of questions. Probably more than anyone here.
I want to know your role. You see, my jailor said his COM was Goremancer.
I asked if you're Goremancer, and you call me a retard and tell me to learn to read,
but in invisible in someone called you "HoN/Goremancer".
So what's your name, Lee?
What if your convenient story of being jailed is to cover the fact
you jailed me last night? Hmm?
You keep threatening people as if you have the ability to end their lives.
You've got explaining to do, Lee.

I won't tell you my role. I would be retarded to claim right now. I will say that someone was right about my ID earlier. Lux is wrong. She was just trolling. HoN is the name of a game, but I don't know what the letters stand for.

[Ryze]

People who visit people = PRs
People who mafia like to kill = PRs

So you identify yourself as a PR but don't give us any of the information that you garnered from it? That doesn't make any sense. By claim to have visited Orianna you make yourself a mafia target so why would you not automatically disclose all information you have.

Unless of course, you're lying?

Interesting how Fizz's attitude towards the mafia's goals matches the attitude of Lee Sin's jailor.

Also, there is no rule against claiming a false COM name. Jarvan's jailor doesn't have to be Goremancer.

[Katarina]

I won't tell you my role. I would be retarded to claim right now. I will say that someone was right about my ID earlier. Lux is wrong. She was just trolling. HoN is the name of a game, but I don't know what the letters stand for.

To put things in perspective, what has Alistar done that is scummy?

[Jarvan IV]

I won't tell you my role. I would be retarded to claim right now. I will say that someone was right about my ID earlier. Lux is wrong. She was just trolling. HoN is the name of a game, but I don't know what the letters stand for.

Okay, understandable to not reveal your role. But what's your COM?
Don't play games, Lee.

PS: I thought someone said it was against the rules.

[Lee Sin]

To put things in perspective, what has Alistar done that is scummy?

Did you read my vote post? There was all of Alistar's day 2 posts up to that point plus one of her day 1 posts. That should answer your question.


Okay, understandable to not reveal your role. But what's your COM?
Don't play games, Lee.

PS: I thought someone said it was against the rules.
I can assure you that if you look hard enough in the thread you will see it.

.

[Renekton]

So who would possibly claim Goremancer instead? Gamefreak, Rocshi, Ash, Luna one of those.

Lix took that rule out. It was there to 100%

At least you could have stated it somewhere that you change rules on the fly.

[Fizz]

Interesting how Fizz's attitude towards the mafia's goals matches the attitude of Lee Sin's jailor.

Town can either be citizens or PRs. Unless you think the mafia are trying to kill citizens then I'm sure most people have the same attitude concerning "mafia goals".

[Jarvan IV]

If i remember Goremancer was once before jailor in m-fm V hosted by Mcpwnage. There is a link in the V for Victory epilogue thread to the jail chat. You could compare the jailchat there with your last night experience.

Cheerio

Is that to me?


Did you read my vote post? There was all of Alistar's day 2 posts up to that point plus one of her day 1 posts. That should answer your question.


I can assure you that if you look hard enough in the thread you will see it.

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Okay, you just can't be too certain, Lee. I will continue to vote against Alistar with you.

[Fizz]

Lix took that rule out. It was there to 100%

Rules disappearing without our being informed is rather tiresome. I'm going to make a copy of the rules now so I can at least tell when they change.

[Kennen]

I'm back now, and I'd still like an explanation from Soraka.

It would also be nice if Alistair could shed some light on his behavior.

[Jarvan IV]

If i remember Goremancer was once before jailor in m-fm V hosted by Mcpwnage. There is a link in the V for Victory epilogue thread to the jail chat. You could compare the jailchat there with your last night experience.

Cheerio

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So who would possibly claim Goremancer instead? Gamefreak, Rocshi, Ash, Luna one of those.

Lix took that rule out. It was there to 100%

At least you could have stated it somewhere that you change rules on the fly.

Oh, that's unfortunate :\

What was MFMV theme? I can't find it.

[Lee Sin]

Okay, you just can't be too certain, Lee. I will continue to vote against Alistar with you.
I think you just glanced over it.

[Jarvan IV]

I think you just glanced over it.

You never denied being called Jack Of Spades, so I'm assuming that's you.

[Lee Sin]

I am still awaiting Alistar's claim.

[Gangplank]

Did you read my vote post? There was all of Alistar's day 2 posts up to that point plus one of her day 1 posts. That should answer your question.


I can assure you that if you look hard enough in the thread you will see it.

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Perhaps I'm reading too much. What's with the period.

[Jarvan IV]

Perhaps I'm reading too much. What's with the period.

It's probably an accident you (s)cummy fuck.

[Lee Sin]

Gangplank saw it.

[Zilean]

I'm back awake now. Apparently I misunderestimated the time of the day, or my sleep. If anyone still cares, the reason I knew Poppy wasn't MagmaRam was because I'm MagmaRam. If I seem AFK, I'm probably practicing routes in Tribes. Sunstar is a bitch to get any real speed on, it's too flat for me.

[Nocturne]

Okie dokie!

All caught up now time to make a post. This is probably how I will play from now on btw.
Catching up then making a big post followed by a couple of smaller ones.
Be warned I will probably bring up old topics but I will never bring up something unrelated/already asked.

[Jarvan IV]

I'm back awake now. Apparently I misunderestimated the time of the day, or my sleep. If anyone still cares, the reason I knew Poppy wasn't MagmaRam was because I'm MagmaRam. If I seem AFK, I'm probably practicing routes in Tribes. Sunstar is a bitch to get any real speed on, it's too flat for me.

Tribes fucking sucks.

[Forum Mafia GM]

The rule was for no lying in team chats. I ended up revealing all com names in team chats so the rule was redundant. Jail chat com claiming has never been enforced ever. It's fair game. I'm at work so I can't respond to any other queries ATM.

You guys are very good at twisting words.

[Renekton]

The rule was for no lying in team chats. I ended up revealing all com names in team chats so the rule was redundant. Jail chat com claiming has never been enforced ever. It's fair game. I'm at work so I can't respond to any other queries ATM.

You guys are very good at twisting words.

Not really thats just how i understood it in the first place, cuz its make no friggin sense to me not claiming your true id in your own team chat...

[Jarvan IV]

Not really thats just how i understood it in the first place, cuz its make no friggin sense to me not claiming your true id in your own team chat...

What was the name of the FM where Goremancer was the jailor? I want to see if the typing style is at all similar.

[Renekton]

Oh boy why do i have to hold your hand?

Go check up the Mini Forum Mafia , Archieved Games then search for m-fm 5 Epilogue first post from Mcpwnage.

There you go.

[Jarvan IV]

Oh boy why do i have to hold your hand?

Go check up the Mini Forum Mafia , Archieved Games then search for m-fm 5 Epilogue first post from Mcpwnage.

There you go.

I've never participated in MFM. Thank you.

[Shaco]

Gangplank saw it.


Shaco questions if this hidden period would be a sign of Lee Sin's com name. Shaco, if correct, would assume you are either Escaho or Dust.

[Katarina]

Shaco questions if this hidden period would be a sign of Lee Sin's com name. Shaco, if correct, would assume you are either Escaho or Dust.

He is Dust.

[Lee Sin]

Katarina, shall I tell everyone your COM name? I am sure of it now.

[Katarina]

Katarina, shall I tell everyone your COM name? I am sure of it now.

Go right ahead. I'm not making an attempt to hide it.

[Lee Sin]

Deathfire

[Katarina]

Deathfire

Isn't that Leona?

[Lee Sin]

Isn't that Leona?

Anyone can get those photos.

[Renekton]

I bet 5 Dollahs on Gannondorf ^.^

[Katarina]

I bet 5 Dollahs on Gannondorf ^.^

I like you

[Renekton]

I recognize a Gentleman if i see one! :3


Cheerio

[Nocturne]

FAQ Questions still not answered:
Do we get one vote or multiple votes? (I.e. a new vote cancels the previous vote)

Is lying about your COM name against the rules? (sorta answered but still unclear)

Will we know if someone has been modkilled?

Can it be known forthwith that the colour RED be reserved for votes ONLY. It is harder to keep track of votes when people use the designated colour for their own posts *COUGH* Karthus *COUGH*

Will a ghost's role be revealed in the graveyard when he dies?


Next:


May I point out that I was the first to discern the issues in Jarvan's claim.

Show me where you are the first person to "discern the issues in Jarvan's claim"
My notes say nothing about you even talking much about Jarvan IV. All you've said thats worth note is that You are very sure that Jarvan IV's jailor is Lucy Stillman.
As everyone has stated you are acting strangely
A) Defenseive
B) Chaotic
C) Stupid
which lead me to believe you are an assassin on his heels trying to hint at jester or anything that will avoid you getting lynched.


Next:

Besides, vote tallying is scummy. I've read over a few FMs and whoever tallied votes was total scum. If people care bad enough, they'll go back and read through. None of their business, it's the business of the person being voted and therefore up to them to decide if they want to go through that kind of trouble :)

Not necessarily.
In FMX fm Nick and fm Narks were the main tally/list keepers. both were town.
fm HerrZynisch was trying to do it for a while but gave up. I can see why it seems scummy but someone has to do it.

P.S. Stop using red colour


It is worth noting how the attention has shifted from Lee sin, to Jarvan IV, to Gangplank, and now to Alistar.

Would anyone else like to claim they were bussed? This will help determine if we do have a bus driver or I was perhaps drugged. The knowledge of a bus driver will make the assassins more wary of hitting targets.


I find that we should also be questioning Leona, Udyr and Caitlyn
Leona has been sighted online during the night sequence a lot, and online during this day but has posted only once (I think). Udyr is in the same boat.

Caitlyn seems intent on butting heads with Sona (Though these 2 make one of the better bottom lane combos! :D) and doesn't contribute much. She votes sporadically for someone lurking so hard.

At this point I think there will be a couple of modkills tonight. 19 hours to go and quite a few number of people have contributed nothing or very VERY little.

Some of my information is only relevant depending on the answers to my FAQ questions so I will hold that in reserve for now.

[Lee Sin]

Alistar is required to claim.

[Katarina]

-vote Gangplank

The day's almost over and he is still the scummiest person on my radar and I don't think there is a better lynch option currently

[Nocturne]

The current vote tally depends on if multiple votes are allowed or only the most current vote is counted.

Tentatively I say
5 Alistar
2 Gangplank
2 Zilean
2 Fiddlesticks

I didn't count mulitple votes, and theres 3-4 people with only 1 vote on them

[Nocturne]

Err GP now has 3, thanks kat! my bad I guess :D

[Lee Sin]

I require sleep and Alistar is required to claim. Good night.

[Nocturne]

Guys I just thought of something worse than lynching a jester.

Lynching a ghost.

I re-read everything about that role and nothing good can come out of it.

He can possess one chosen person for one day for the REST of the game (like he can possess me day3, then someone else day 4, then another on day 5 etc.). If he becomes anti-town it could turn bad.

A ghost would act like jester during the day to get lynched to get to the real part of his role.

Just putting this out there. Maybe we should be forcing someone 'scummy' to be the hammer vote?

[Alistar]

The essence of this day...

Lee Sin: Claim!
Me: No!

[Jarvan IV]

And why don't you?

[Fiora]

And why don't you?

Why doesn't everyone role claim in their first post in every game?

[Forum Mafia GM]

FAQ Questions still not answered:
Do we get one vote or multiple votes? (I.e. a new vote cancels the previous vote)

Is lying about your COM name against the rules? (sorta answered but still unclear)

Will we know if someone has been modkilled?

Can it be known forthwith that the colour RED be reserved for votes ONLY. It is harder to keep track of votes when people use the designated colour for their own posts *COUGH* Karthus *COUGH*

Will a ghost's role be revealed in the graveyard when he dies?


No. 1 vote per person.

No. I've already ensured it has been dealt with where it can do harm. Lie as much as you like in Day and Jail.

Yes. I havent replaced anyone yet because of various uncertainties.

Karthus changed his colour to Orange on request. Your issue is Jarv now. But yes, if you could avoid red it would be appriciated when I have to go back and count. Same with Teal used for Skipping Day.

Yes. You will know if a ghost is killed. Unless they are force desync'd.

edit: Also on the ghost. They control you for that day, not the rest of the game as I saw someone say.

[Fiora]

I´ll go with Luna and vote Nick

You guys should think about a mass role claim day to finish this shit much more faster. Cult is already gone. Therefore the balance swinged heavy into Town´s favour. I don´t really see any realistic chances for Scum to win this.

I think Riven is indeed the sherriff.


-vote Zilean
I would like to bring attention to this post, it slipped by unnoticed. As Lux rightly pointed out, it is very interesting that Ranekton claims to know that Riven is Luna and Zilean is Nick. I would like to know where Ranekton based these claims on if it is not a slip by the mafia who know each other's COM names.
This would point to all three of Ranekton, Riven, and Zilean being scum together.
Also, according to Lux, Ranekton was on uninvisible at night. Possibly talking in night chat?

[Fiora]

This vote will only be removed if Ranekton gives us evidence that these people's COM identities could be determined from day chat.
Vote Ranekton

[Jarvan IV]

No. 1 vote per person.

No. I've already ensured it has been dealt with where it can do harm. Lie as much as you like in Day and Jail.

Yes. I havent replaced anyone yet because of various uncertainties.

Karthus changed his colour to Orange on request. Your issue is Jarv now. But yes, if you could avoid red it would be appriciated when I have to go back and count. Same with Teal used for Skipping Day.

Yes. You will know if a ghost is killed. Unless they are force desync'd.

edit: Also on the ghost. They control you for that day, not the rest of the game as I saw someone say.

Oh, sure I'll do it for you. I thought that Nocturne was bitching so I kept doing it to annoy him.

You got it, chief.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Dr Vidic is in the area to deal with any concerns of the Recruits for the next hour or so, please feel free to post them here in green or to PM me directly and I will endeavour to answer for you.

I will also be conducting a recount of all votes up to now before I leave.

[Katarina]

I would like to bring attention to this post, it slipped by unnoticed. As Lux rightly pointed out, it is very interesting that Ranekton claims to know that Riven is Luna and Zilean is Nick. I would like to know where Ranekton based these claims on if it is not a slip by the mafia who know each other's COM names.
This would point to all three of Ranekton, Riven, and Zilean being scum together.
Also, according to Lux, Ranekton was on uninvisible at night. Possibly talking in night chat?

There is one tiny problem with that line of thinking. If that quote, Renekton voted for Zilean

[Zilean]

Renekton doesn't even have my COM name right. It's not like I've tried to hide it or anything.

[Jarvan IV]

Renekton doesn't even have my COM name right. It's not like I've tried to hide it or anything.

Your signature has filled my mind with fuck.

[Zilean]

Your signature has filled my mind with fuck.
http://www.timecube.com

[Gangplank]

FAQ Questions still not answered:Do we get one vote or multiple votes? (I.e. a new vote cancels the previous vote)Is lying about your COM name against the rules? (sorta answered but still unclear)Will we know if someone has been modkilled?Can it be known forthwith that the colour RED be reserved for votes ONLY. It is harder to keep track of votes when people use the designated colour for their own posts *COUGH* Karthus *COUGH*Will a ghost's role be revealed in the graveyard when he dies?Next:Show me where you are the first person to "discern the issues in Jarvan's claim"My notes say nothing about you even talking much about Jarvan IV. All you've said thats worth note is that You are very sure that Jarvan IV's jailor is Lucy Stillman.As everyone has stated you are acting strangely A) DefenseiveB) ChaoticC) Stupidwhich lead me to believe you are an assassin on his heels trying to hint at jester or anything that will avoid you getting lynched.Next:Not necessarily.In FMX fm Nick and fm Narks were the main tally/list keepers. both were town.fm HerrZynisch was trying to do it for a while but gave up. I can see why it seems scummy but someone has to do it.P.S. Stop using red colourIt is worth noting how the attention has shifted from Lee sin, to Jarvan IV, to Gangplank, and now to Alistar.Would anyone else like to claim they were bussed? This will help determine if we do have a bus driver or I was perhaps drugged. The knowledge of a bus driver will make the assassins more wary of hitting targets.I find that we should also be questioning Leona, Udyr and CaitlynLeona has been sighted online during the night sequence a lot, and online during this day but has posted only once (I think). Udyr is in the same boat.Caitlyn seems intent on butting heads with Sona (Though these 2 make one of the better bottom lane combos! :D) and doesn't contribute much. She votes sporadically for someone lurking so hard.At this point I think there will be a couple of modkills tonight. 19 hours to go and quite a few number of people have contributed nothing or very VERY little.Some of my information is only relevant depending on the answers to my FAQ questions so I will hold that in reserve for now.Umm basically I asked Jarvan as to why his jailor was so trusting with him, sharing COM names and saying that the jailor will reveal himself if either is lynched. I said that was rather scummy considering that Jarvan had made a cit claim, the most common claim that a mafia would make at this particular point.As I have also said, I have moved on from that because at this point everyone seems to consider it rather irrelevant. I have also said that I now believe Lee's jailor is Lucy Stillman.Explain how I am "chaotic". I have been trying to get the town to organize their accusations and claims into coherent articles where it's easier to understand the accusation and the defense. Is that scummy in any way?Yes, I agree if I am stupid enough to get pegged as #1 scummy on day 1 as a town PR by trying to investigate claims where I am finding issues. I blame FM9 >.>By all means, go ahead and lynch me. We've been over this before.

[Gangplank]

Whatever, I'm going to sleep. I won't be surprised to wake up tomorrow being hammered, but whatever.

Do as you will.

[Fiora]

Renekton doesn't even have my COM name right. It's not like I've tried to hide it or anything.

Honestly, i think that token support on a hypothetical sheriff claim against a fellow mafia is not really decisive evidence against them being mafia together, especially since using this logic then Riven would be mafia with both of them.

[Fiora]

Whatever, I'm going to sleep. I won't be surprised to wake up tomorrow being hammered, but whatever.

Do as you will.
Why are you so confidant that town will think you are scum? Earlier on, you predicted yourself being jailed, and now you think you will be lynched. If you were really town, I would think you would have more faith in the town to not lynch you. This somewhat reminds me of HerrZynsich (who was witch) on the fifth day of FMX being convinced that town would lynch him. IMO Scum are more likely to fear and predict themselves being lynched because they know they are lying than town who are telling the truth.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Agents, This is the Contract Termination Tally at the time of this post:

Alistar (5): Orianna, Shaco, Lee Sin, Gangplank, Nautilus
Gangplank (3): Fizz, Jarvan IV, Katarina
Zilean (2): Riven, Renekton
Fiddlesticks (2): Sona, Garen
Renekton (2): Lux, Fiora
Nautlius (1): Alistar
Riven (1): Veigar
Lee Sin (1): Caitlyn

If you believe this is incorrect or your vote is misplaced, please place it again.

Thank you for your co-operation.

[Katarina]

Gm edit: Interesting catch :P. Fixed.

edit 2: and before I get asked by you meta gamers, apparently I had zilean voting for himself.

[Jarvan IV]

-vote Alistar

I thought I had been voting Alistar, but either way.

[Jarvan IV]

GIRL DIED IN 1993. The murderer chanted, "Toma sota balcu" as he buried her. Now that you have read the chant, you will meet this little girl. In the middle of the... night she will stand at the side of your bed starring straight into your eyes. She wil suffocate you... like she was suffocated. This story is sadly true If you post this 5 differnt events she will not bother u if u copy and paste this to ten events in the next ten minutes u will have the best day of ur life tomorrow. u will either get kissed or asked out, if u break this chain u will see a little dead girl in your room tonight. in 53 mins someone will say i love you or im sorry or i wanna go out

I DON'T WANT TO DIE OMG U GUISE THIS IS TRUE

[Nautilus]

We're letting the mafia walk all over us because we are too scared to put votes on people. We don't have much time left and Alistar needs to claim. Take a risk for once and get him to L-3 so he claims. In the unlikely event we force a jailor or mayor to claim then it's not much of a loss when we are almost guaranteed to win this with the start we've had.

With the Poppy leaving MagmaRam in her last will. She either did it because MagmaRam (Zilean) was her teammate who's COM identity was told to her in mafia chat and she wanted to mix their accounts up because she's a troll, tactics etc. or it was too risky to claim a COM name in her team so she picked a non-mafia newb instead. The latter is more probable but that doesn't rule out the former.

Alistar (6): Orianna, Shaco, Lee Sin, Gangplank, Nautilus, Jarvan IV

We need 18 votes for a lynch so stop giving excuses like "I don't want to be too hasty and lynch him before he can defend himself".

[Shaco]

Shaco would like to propose a hypothetical theory. Shaco is imagining that Jarvan is an assassin. Shaco realizes now (due to the GM's explanation) that all assassin's know each others COM names. Shaco thinks that the assassins may be attempting a ploy to establish Lucy as a town jailor. Shaco and many others have questioned why Jarvan and his jailor would trust each other enough to reveal their COM names. Shaco's theory would explain this, seeing as they already knew each others COM names through assassin chat.

[Nocturne]

@Gangplank:
Show me where you are the first person to "discern the issues in Jarvan's claim"
means show me, as in go find your post where you say this, and quote it for me so I can go see it. I don't care what you think you said or what you meant to say.




Given that false claiming a COM role being 'legal' to do so hasn't been proven till now, I want to believe the previous COM claims since their was an underlying threat of modkill for lying. This means

Irelia --> Blazer
Jarvan IV --> Bruno
Zilean -- MagmaRam

This being said Zilean stated very early in the day that Poppy wasn't MagmaRam. He claimed that COM name about half way through so I want to believe this is the truth and renekton is just FOS or wifoming something else. Maybe he hinted that Luna and Nick should know who he is. idk


I am all for lynching Gangplank today because we have no other CLEAR targets.
Alistar refusing to role claim isn't evidence enough to put him to the stake. Jarvan IV is probably a trolling citizen or a jester. Either way we shouldn't be lynching his fine ass.

-Vote GangPlank

The only reasons to go for zilean would be Rivens Wifom sheriff claim and renektons 'derp'. One of which I believe is false, and the other she won't confirm.

Fiddlesticks hasn't been in the light and the only person who said fiddle is truly bad is Sona who didn't give any supporting evidence.

[Nocturne]

With the Poppy leaving MagmaRam in her last will. She either did it because MagmaRam (Zilean) was her teammate who's COM identity was told to her in mafia chat and she wanted to mix their accounts up because she's a troll, tactics etc. or it was too risky to claim a COM name in her team so she picked a non-mafia newb instead. The latter is more probable but that doesn't rule out the former.


Yeah because Poppy was totally Assassin. ^.^

If I was scum I would false claim a role in my will. If it was Illegal then GM would remove it from will. If not, then I successfully put confusion into the town after my death.

[Nocturne]

Yeah because Poppy was totally Assassin. ^.^

If I was scum I would false claim a COM IDENTITY in my will. If it was Illegal then GM would remove it from will. If not, then I successfully put confusion into the town after my death.

Fixed

[Nocturne]

Put yourself into Zileans shoes.

Suppose he is indeed MagmaRam IRL. Someone dies and claims they are you, what do you do?

"Uh no you aren't" which is exactly what he did. Then it backfired when it clearly meant he either knew who magamaram was or he was magmaram.

[Nocturne]

Anyways I am sidetracking the important business.

I understand why people want to put pressure votes onto Alistar. I do.
But we can do that tomorrow when we actually have a full day to pressure vote baddies into claiming.
If he survives the night, we pressure him tomorrow morning. Makes a false claim from Alistar harder to do (2 nights actions over 1), especially if we pressure vote early tomorrow before information is released. Then he can't fake too many roles.


For now we should vote gangplank as he has demonstrated classic signs of first time mafia players.

Everyone who has ever played a mafia role in a fm will know that the first time is always the hardest.

Signs:

Somone who is active at first and tries to anti-scum hunt (Find scummier people than mafia)
Someone who tends to discredit strong town members who emerge before they are confirmed
Someone who is extremely defensive and not helpful.
Someone who polutes the day chat with a lot of misleading information to confuse town as much as they can.
Someone who realizes they are failing and switches tactics completely.
Someone who accepts they will die and is determined to waste as much time/attention as they can and spread paranoia/confusion and/or lies.


I think that Gangplank fits many of these signs.
One could argue Jarvan IV fits these signs too but Jarvan IV claimed citizen and Gangplank claimed Escort.

[LeBlanc]

Yes, I agree if I am stupid enough to get pegged as #1 scummy on day 1 as a town PR by trying to investigate claims where I am finding issues. I blame FM9 >.>

cant tell if lying about first time participant in FM or not. and why is this post so cluttered? alll your othre posts are nicely spaced and paragraphed

[Nautilus]

Gangplank has claimed a role so pressuring him with votes is pointless. If you are putting votes on him then you must intend to lynch him even though he has claimed escort and we have no evidence to disprove that.

Waiting until tomorrow to pressure vote Alistar means he can talk with his mafia teammates and formulate a good role claim. He is obviously struggling with this by himself because he has said he will only claim if the votes get high enough when he must claim before he is lynched.

On a day like this when we have no information from power roles we must use pressure votes to get that information. There is no sense being timid about voting people that could be but probably aren't power roles when we have already wiped out an entire faction and 1 mafia member is dead. I expect that Alistar will claim citizen and say he was holding off claiming to look like PR like so many did in FMX.

[Jarvan IV]

Anyways I am sidetracking the important business.

I understand why people want to put pressure votes onto Alistar. I do.
But we can do that tomorrow when we actually have a full day to pressure vote baddies into claiming.
If he survives the night, we pressure him tomorrow morning. Makes a false claim from Alistar harder to do (2 nights actions over 1), especially if we pressure vote early tomorrow before information is released. Then he can't fake too many roles.


For now we should vote gangplank as he has demonstrated classic signs of first time mafia players.

Everyone who has ever played a mafia role in a fm will know that the first time is always the hardest.

Signs:

Somone who is active at first and tries to anti-scum hunt (Find scummier people than mafia)
Someone who tends to discredit strong town members who emerge before they are confirmed
Someone who is extremely defensive and not helpful.
Someone who polutes the day chat with a lot of misleading information to confuse town as much as they can.
Someone who realizes they are failing and switches tactics completely.
Someone who accepts they will die and is determined to waste as much time/attention as they can and spread paranoia/confusion and/or lies.


I think that Gangplank fits many of these signs.
One could argue Jarvan IV fits these signs too but Jarvan IV claimed citizen and Gangplank claimed Escort.

The problem is that I fit EVERY SINGLE ONE of those prerequisites, and I'm not (s)cum :\

[Soraka]

Hello everyone.

Sorry for REALLY LONG abscence, but I was busy with my new computer. I recently bought myself a new computer with 64-bit Windows 7, and spent most of the time updating the system, drivers, and moving out important files from old computer to new one, so I barely had enough time to check day log. Now that most of the work is done, I can join the discussion again.

Nocturne is right, I am indeed european player, and some of you can probably figure out my COM idenity now. From here on, I'll take my first step here and put additional pressure on Alistar. If there is really an animus switcher, then we don't need to be afraid of witch anymore, so he needs to claim his role soon.

-vote Alistar

[Fizz]

It is extremely interesting that it has taken so long to get 4 votes, that's right 4 votes on Gangplank when Alistar picked up 5 votes (now 6) out of nowhere and for doing hardly anything?

Gangplank on the other hand has made a hopeless case for himself. There really is no reason for scum not to jump on his wagon, unless well... he's their teammate.

I want all of you to review the evidence and vote on somebody, because I really don't want this day ending without a lynch.

[Nautilus]

I understand why people want to put pressure votes onto Alistar. I do.
But we can do that tomorrow when we actually have a full day to pressure vote baddies into claiming.
If he survives the night, we pressure him tomorrow morning. Makes a false claim from Alistar harder to do (2 nights actions over 1), especially if we pressure vote early tomorrow before information is released. Then he can't fake too many roles.

Pressure him tomorrow instead of today? If he survives the night?

Sounds like Alistar is your disguiser.

[Zilean]

Pressure him tomorrow instead of today? If he survives the night?

Sounds like Alistar is your disguiser.
I agree, it's starting to sound like Alistar has some chance to get out of trouble tomorrow night. Pressure votes away to get him to finally tell?

-vote Alistar

[Alistar]

Gangplank has claimed a role so pressuring him with votes is pointless. If you are putting votes on him then you must intend to lynch him even though he has claimed escort and we have no evidence to disprove that.

Waiting until tomorrow to pressure vote Alistar means he can talk with his mafia teammates and formulate a good role claim. He is obviously struggling with this by himself because he has said he will only claim if the votes get high enough when he must claim before he is lynched.

On a day like this when we have no information from power roles we must use pressure votes to get that information. There is no sense being timid about voting people that could be but probably aren't power roles when we have already wiped out an entire faction and 1 mafia member is dead. I expect that Alistar will claim citizen and say he was holding off claiming to look like PR like so many did in FMX.

I love how your post auto assumes I am mafia. I am not "struggling" to claim I don't see a valid reason to. I make some troll posts and then lee sin starts the shit bandwagon on me by claiming that with my day 1 and day 2 posts "I'm an executioner" even though I said my "target" could be a jester and changed my vote. THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED! I won't claim until I have a valid reason to, however I will probably be jailed tonight and I intend on claiming to the jailer if I am. Hopefully it is the town jailer but mafia will keep me alive because I have heat on me and I'm not a role that makes the mafia shit in their pants. Also now you get theories about how I am the disguiser out of thin air, forum mafia is honestly just a retarded hive-mind when you boil it down.

[Orianna]

I love how your post auto assumes I am mafia. I am not "struggling" to claim I don't see a valid reason to. I make some troll posts and then lee sin starts the shit bandwagon on me by claiming that with my day 1 and day 2 posts "I'm an executioner" even though I said my "target" could be a jester and changed my vote. THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED! I won't claim until I have a valid reason to, however I will probably be jailed tonight and I intend on claiming to the jailer if I am. Hopefully it is the town jailer but mafia will keep me alive because I have heat on me and I'm not a role that makes the mafia shit in their pants. Also now you get theories about how I am the disguiser out of thin air, forum mafia is honestly just a retarded hive-mind when you boil it down.

You continue to hide your role and insinuate that it's not a very important one (to the mafia at least) if this is the case why are you so adamant about not revealing?

[Alan Rikkin]

Can anyone make a summary of whats happening?

sorry.. sorry for not paying attention.. i will make sure not to let it happen again!

[Alistar]

You continue to hide your role and insinuate that it's not a very important one (to the mafia at least) if this is the case why are you so adamant about not revealing?

Why are you people so adamant about me roleclaiming?

[Alan Rikkin]

By the way, mafia tend to appear invisible.

[Alan Rikkin]

By the way, mafia tend to appear invisible.


Denying this = scum. It's the truth and we all know it.

I need a summary of why people think Alistar is scum and the reason behind it. I can't waste time reading 14 pages.

[Orianna]

Why would mafia lie about being jailed if Lucy had jailed someone else? It doesn't make any sense so this is either a town/neutral gambit or there are 3 jailers. I hope we don't waste the whole day on the jailer problem as all 3 are probably not mafia.


-vote Jarvan IV

possibly the weakest bandwagon ever on Pantheon and for trying too hard to maintain his jailor is town alligned. With three
jailed claims someone is definetly lying and your jailed claim is the most suspicous. I wonder how truthful your citizen claim is?

-vote Alistar

Jumps on a bandwagon then disappears. It's slightly odd that people find Jarvan IV voting Pantheon suspicious but not me.

This was the original post that started the pressure voting on Alistar, I agreed with the reasoning and added my vote to pressure him.

[Orianna]

Not that there aren't a fair number of apparent scumslips going around, I'm trying to sit back and analyze but my schedule is making it difficult to keep up.

[Nocturne]

I am very disappointing by us EU players.

All we have accomplished is more votes on alistar who clearly won't claim until the very end. I feel like we can pressure him tomorrow and I vocalized this but no one listens.

Gangplank is a far better target for lynch. NOT pressure stupid nautilus. Everyone keeps taking what I say and twisting it. READ or GTFO

Keeping my vote on gangplank.

Also of note:
Leona is skyrocketing up my scum list to #1 position.
LeBlanc has made a new appearance on my scum list for being generally unhelpful and a waste of my time.

[Nocturne]

Scenario:

We pressure alistar to T-3 and he claims.

A) His claim is weak and we lynch

B) Everyone goes "Woah wtf UNVOTE NOW!" and no one gets lynched because this is very late in the day.

C) Everyone goes "Woah wtf UNVOTE NOW!" and a train is started on someone random (My guess would be like karthus or some random person no one has talked about in forever) and that player is lynched very quickly.


Outcomes:
A)
He flips town, we all derp derp derp
He flips mafia/neutral, hurray we did something!


B)
Absolutely nothing!



C)
We derped HARD. Big derp
Completely random train happens to hit a baddie. Huzzah!



Now what is the most likely outcome?
B.

Second most likely?
C with a negative outcome.


See my point here? Pressuring alistar will result in no lynch or a mis lynch. I don't picture us hammering him after a claim unless he fails biblically

[Riven]

I swear I saw a rule stating you couldn't lie about forum identity but I can't find it now. Either way, let's hear your real forum name. Maybe somebody will counterclaim you if you lie.

only if ur mafia lol

[Nocturne]

God damn browser sent it before I wanted.

Continuation:

So Nautilus (and everyone else on the Alistar train) tell me why getting 1 claim from alistar and a possible mislynch is better than lynching a failure like gangplank who could very well be consort or neutral/assassin taking oriana's claim of RB and running with it. Unless alistar is a disguiser he will either die or be around tomorrow for pressure votes.


Final Point:
Unless in the next 8 hours or so (12 hours till day ends) we see a lot of people on who we can pressure vote with and be smart about lynching at the end of the day, I will not remove my vote from gangplank.

[Nautilus]

Except you know that Gangplank would be the next lynch train in the event of C so you have nothing to lose by pressuring Alistar...

[Fizz]

What exactly is even the argument against Alistar? I'm not defending him in anyway but I've yet to see any reason whatsoever to vote for him.

This is ridiculous. Why are they all ignoring Gangplank?

I'm starting to think the role list is a lie and town consist of Nocturne and I against 30 mafia.

[Nautilus]

If you want to claim the escort that blocked Oriana we can lynch Gangplank. Otherwise he has done what was asked of him by role claiming and he is likely to be a blocking role. There is nothing more he can do to defend himself yet you want him lynched on day 2 when there is nothing to disprove his claim. Now that Gangplank has claimed the majority has control over his actions. If we tell him to block someone he better well do it or he will be lynched. Even if he is an assassin he has no choice but to work for the majority.

Alistar on the other hand refuses to role claim until he has enough votes. He obviously needs to the encouragement of a pressure vote to get him to talk or we won't get anything out of him on any day. I would rather he claims his role today rather than let a potential mafia member talk to his team about what his role claim should be. By the way you are adamant we should pressure him tomorrow instead of today and you saying "if he survives" when it is obvious he will as he is scummy makes me think you or him could be a disguiser that will run away tonight. I think both are scummy but I feel there is a chance that Gangplank is a town idiot while Alistar has more subtle scum tells.

You shouldn't be that worried about mislynches with the revolutionist dead and only 6 mafia left but if you are then you will lose an escort if Gangplank flips town. We don't know what we would lose if Alistar flips town because he won't claim his role but he said his role wasn't that important so the greater loss is if we mislynch Gangplank.


Pressuring alistar will result in no lynch or a mis lynch. I don't picture us hammering him after a claim unless he fails biblically

Why are you so sure that Alistar isn't scum? Do you have information about him that we don't?

[Riven]

Why is Alistar getting voted? Seeing how scum as fuck zilean placed his vote on him for no reason at all (like always) I think Alistar isn't necessarily his team.
Also notice Zileans voting patterns, he puts a second vote of the bandwagon on Karthus after some other fuck voted him, then feels unsure about it after the first fuck unvotes and removes his vote "to get rid of loose ends", proceeds with lurking like a boss and ignoring all the accusations, town still focuses on Alistar for no apparent reason just because Lee Sin thinks he is his jailor.

Also Fiora I'm not Luna I'm Philie. Close enough, though. I thought I should tell everyone since mafia knows it already (my com got leaked to a bunch of people on my login)

[Fizz]

Note also that Gangplank has his vote on Alistar, so you can't expect any of us who are voting Gangplank to change our votes to Alistar.

[Nautilus]

What exactly is even the argument against Alistar? I'm not defending him in anyway but I've yet to see any reason whatsoever to vote for him.

This is ridiculous. Why are they all ignoring Gangplank?

I'm starting to think the role list is a lie and town consist of Nocturne and I against 30 mafia.

He quickly jumps on the Jarvan IV bandwagon then disappears. I vote him, he then gets very defensive votes me back with little reasoning after I change my vote to Zilean. He remains defensive, lurks, claims jailor in invisible ink, trolls and contributes very little to the discussion


I love how your post auto assumes I am mafia. I am not "struggling" to claim I don't see a valid reason to. I make some troll posts and then lee sin starts the shit bandwagon on me by claiming that with my day 1 and day 2 posts "I'm an executioner" even though I said my "target" could be a jester and changed my vote. THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED! I won't claim until I have a valid reason to, however I will probably be jailed tonight and I intend on claiming to the jailer if I am. Hopefully it is the town jailer but mafia will keep me alive because I have heat on me and I'm not a role that makes the mafia shit in their pants. Also now you get theories about how I am the disguiser out of thin air, forum mafia is honestly just a retarded hive-mind when you boil it down.

In this post he gets very angry and starts saying that people are stupid thinking he is the executioner, drawing attention away from him being mafia which is what most of the people who have voted him think. He says mafia will keep him alive as an excuse for not dying to mafia but doesn't mention the sk. He won't claim even though he isn't an important role so he lets us waste a large part of the day discussion trying to get him to claim and wasting time and votes pressuring him. He ends by calling us retards.


Why are you people so adamant about me roleclaiming?

Maybe nothing but he says "you people" as if he is a minority.

[Nautilus]

Why is Alistar getting voted? Seeing how scum as fuck zilean placed his vote on him for no reason at all (like always) I think Alistar isn't necessarily his team.
Also notice Zileans voting patterns, he puts a second vote of the bandwagon on Karthus after some other fuck voted him, then feels unsure about it after the first fuck unvotes and removes his vote "to get rid of loose ends", proceeds with lurking like a boss and ignoring all the accusations, town still focuses on Alistar for no apparent reason just because Lee Sin thinks he is his jailor.

Also Fiora I'm not Luna I'm Philie. Close enough, though. I thought I should tell everyone since mafia knows it already (my com got leaked to a bunch of people on my login)

Scummy people do not always belong to the same faction. There is the witch, sk or spree killer and 2 other neutrals. Some PRs like the mayor and jailor in particular also like to look scummy.

[Fizz]

I'm going to be completely honest.

If he's scum then I can't see it in anything said thus far.

[Riven]

I'm going to be completely honest.

If he's scum then I can't see it in anything said thus far.

I second that. What do you think of Zilean, Daddy?

[Nautilus]

Note also that Gangplank has his vote on Alistar, so you can't expect any of us who are voting Gangplank to change our votes to Alistar.

They do not have to be on the same team to both be scum so you shouldn't be worried about that. Gangplank could be the consort and Alistar could be the witch or sk. They will still vote for each other.


This is ridiculous. Why are they all ignoring Gangplank?

Because he will block whoever we tell him to block and he is not a threat to us. If he blocks someone other than we have agreed then we will lynch him. After reading this I don't know why anyone would still have their vote on Gangplank.

If you still have your vote on Gangplank tell me why you want to lynch him on D2 instead of using him as a majority directed role block that we can lynch at any time?

[Nocturne]

Hm, Let's take a look at my notes for a second...


Ah Yes here it is, Nautilus has voted for (in order) Pantheon, Alistar, Zilean, Alistar.
May I ask why you changed your vote from ali to zil to ali?
You seem to be a lesser man who wavers in his opinion so easily.

I have said my opinion and I reserved my vote till I was sure about something and now I stick by my decision. I will not switch my vote based on speculative "he won't claim!" Why don't you claim? Why doesn't everyone claim? It has been said before.

I am all for pressure voting but now is not the time.

Please do not think I am defending Alistar because I am not. I merely think he is the lesser of two evils.






He quickly jumps on the Jarvan IV bandwagon then disappears. I vote him, he then gets very defensive votes me back with little reasoning after I change my vote to Zilean.

Is this not what you did to him?
Jarvan got super defensive and everyone has seemed to ignore him, who's to say the same thing won't happen with Alistar?
He claims cit and then attention sorta fades from everyone, then another train starts because someone rubbed someone the wrong way.

If the train on Alistar had a conductor you would be it. Right now I see you as more scummy than Alistar for leading this witch hunt with very little to go on.




If you still have your vote on Gangplank tell me why you want to lynch him on D2 instead of using him as a majority directed role block that we can lynch at any time?

Because at this moment we have no majority. There have been maybe 7 people online in the last 6 hours. Where is this majority with which we can pressure vote anyone quickly and then lynch someone else? Where is the majority to threaten Gangplank to RB someone of our choosing?

Please start taking notes. I have said this before (seeing as right now I'm the major voice against gangplank) that unless we get a majority conses of people online in the next 6-7 hours I think for now our best option is to lynch Gangplank.
Keep up buddy.

[Alistar]

just so we are clear I don't feel like I've done anything scummy, lee was like roleclaim and I was like fuck you. How is that scummy in any way? Now it has just become the cool thing to do because town doesn't have any other leads.

Wouldn't it be funny if I was just a simple citizen?

[Fizz]

They do not have to be on the same team to both be scum so you shouldn't be worried about that. Gangplank could be the consort and Alistar could be the witch or sk. They will still vote for each other.



Because he will block whoever we tell him to block and he is not a threat to us. If he blocks someone other than we have agreed then we will lynch him. After reading this I don't know why anyone would still have their vote on Gangplank.

If you still have your vote on Gangplank tell me why you want to lynch him on D2 instead of using him as a majority directed role block that we can lynch at any time?

Tell me what happens when the witch controls him and forces the action on another, or when a mafia consort blocks him and prevents his own role-block. I believe he's mafia so these things don't bother me, you on the other hand should be concerned by this because if you thought he was mafia you would vote for him. If you don't think he's mafia then you think he's an escort which means the badguys will manipulate him to block somebody else and force you to lynch him tomorrow because he didn't block who you ordered him to - tomorrow when we have a hell of a lot more information to utilize on targets than we did today. That's not to mention the most obvious failing in this whole idea. You inevitably want to use him to block mafia because blocking townies is generally a poor idea. If he and his target are mafia then what's to stop his target saying he was blocked when he wasn't and Gangblank going off and blocking some other townie which we then attribute to the Consort. This plan would be great if it worked, but it can't.

In regard to them not having to be on the same team. The people who are usually picked up early game as scum are mafia because they're attempting to manipulate the game. Neutrals are almost never detected this way and especially not on Day 2 because there's absolutely no reason for them to do anything controversial or dangerous. They're a neutral they can be as down the line and non suspicious as they want because their powers are at night time and they owe their allegiance to nobody.

Now, I implore you to reconsider.

[Nautilus]

Hm, Let's take a look at my notes for a second...


Ah Yes here it is, Nautilus has voted for (in order) Pantheon, Alistar, Zilean, Alistar.
May I ask why you changed your vote from ali to zil to ali?
You seem to be a lesser man who wavers in his opinion so easily.

Zilean wasn't getting enough votes for him to be pressured so when Alistar started getting more votes I thought there we might actually get somewhere with him. Don't take it for a change in opinion, I want both to claim their roles but Zilean wasn't getting the votes. Pantheon was an early pressure vote that I later changed my opinion on. I'm not so stubborn that I won't re-evaluate my views of people.

I have said my opinion and I reserved my vote till I was sure about something and now I stick by my decision. I will not switch my vote based on speculative "he won't claim!" Why don't you claim? Why doesn't everyone claim? It has been said before.

That is your playstyle but I think votes are a powerful tool and I will use them to get information.

I am all for pressure voting but now is not the time.

Please do not think I am defending Alistar because I am not. I merely think he is the lesser of two evils.


You seem too sure he will flip town for me to believe that.

Is this not what you did to him?

I don't feel any pressure to defend myself. I told you why I re-voted him.

Jarvan got super defensive and everyone has seemed to ignore him, who's to say the same thing won't happen with Alistar?

The same thing will happen if more people don't pressure vote him. Jarvan had no risk of being lynched.

He claims cit and then attention sorta fades from everyone, then another train starts because someone rubbed someone the wrong way.

If the train on Alistar had a conductor you would be it. Right now I see you as more scummy than Alistar for leading this witch hunt with very little to go on.

I don't know why you would after I have said why I think he is scum but ok. You have even less to go on with Gangplank because he has actually claimed his role. You also want to lynch him when all I want is for Alistar to claim his role which doesn't seem like such a big ask to me.

Because at this moment we have no majority. There have been maybe 7 people online in the last 6 hours. Where is this majority with which we can pressure vote anyone quickly and then lynch someone else? Where is the majority to threaten Gangplank to RB someone of our choosing?

Please start taking notes. I have said this before (seeing as right now I'm the major voice against gangplank) that unless we get a majority conses of people online in the next 6-7 hours I think for now our best option is to lynch Gangplank.
Keep up buddy.

It's simple really. You just -vote block Zilean and then make a tally.

Gangplank Block Tally

Zilean (1): Nautilus

The person with the highest number of the votes at the end of the day must be blocked by Gangplank. If he doesn't block that person he will have a guarantee that we will lynch him the next day. The bus driver can switch him to prevent any blocks or witchings from affecting him.

[Fizz]

The bus driver can switch him to prevent any blocks or witchings from affecting him.

Which bus driver would that be given that with <25% of day left only 1 person has claimed to have been bussed? Now you're staking this whole plan on the fact that there is a bus driver and that that bus driver will obey you.

[Nautilus]

Tell me what happens when the witch controls him and forces the action on another, or when a mafia consort blocks him and prevents his own role-block. I believe he's mafia so these things don't bother me, you on the other hand should be concerned by this because if you thought he was mafia you would vote for him. If you don't think he's mafia then you think he's an escort which means the badguys will manipulate him to block somebody else and force you to lynch him tomorrow because he didn't block who you ordered him to - tomorrow when we have a hell of a lot more information to utilize on targets than we did today. That's not to mention the most obvious failing in this whole idea. You inevitably want to use him to block mafia because blocking townies is generally a poor idea. If he and his target are mafia then what's to stop his target saying he was blocked when he wasn't and Gangblank going off and blocking some other townie which we then attribute to the Consort. This plan would be great if it worked, but it can't.

In regard to them not having to be on the same team. The people who are usually picked up early game as scum are mafia because they're attempting to manipulate the game. Neutrals are almost never detected this way and especially not on Day 2 because there's absolutely no reason for them to do anything controversial or dangerous. They're a neutral they can be as down the line and non suspicious as they want because their powers are at night time and they owe their allegiance to nobody.

Now, I implore you to reconsider.

If Gangplank and his mafia buddies lie about being blocked they will soon be found out. You seem to be forgetting we have detectives and lookouts to check up on this sort of thing. We can also use a bus driver (I think someone said they had been switched) to protect or wifom protect Gangplank from manipulation.

Alistar isn't trying to manipulate the game he is trying to hide from it by not contributing. Seems fairly neutral to me. Scum aren't usually the loud, stupid ones as they actually want to stay hidden, especially after a night of discussing tactics.

[Nautilus]

Which bus driver would that be given that with <25% of day left only 1 person has claimed to have been bussed? Now you're staking this whole plan on the fact that there is a bus driver and that that bus driver will obey you.

The plan is a nice idea but it isn't even a big reason why I don't want to lynch Gangplank. He claimed his role, he is most likely an escort/consort and he is an idiot that doesn't help town. You should use day 2 to pressure people into claiming not lynch them after they have made a perfectly sound claim with nothing to disprove it.

By tomorrow we should have information from power roles and Alistar will be ignored. No one will want to follow up on a pressure vote after a sheriff has got a mafia result on someone. Don't waste this day by possibly mislynching an escort when this is our best chance to get one of the scummiest players in the game to claim his role.

@Alistar If you want to lynch Gangplank and stop wasting our time then claim your role now because you will lose credibility by tomorrow. What you are doing his harming town by distracting us from the 'real scum' and all because you have a role that "doesn't mean shit to the mafia" that you want to keep from us.

[Fizz]

If Gangplank and his mafia buddies lie about being blocked they will soon be found out. You seem to be forgetting we have detectives and lookouts to check up on this sort of thing. We can also use a bus driver (I think someone said they had been switched) to protect or wifom protect Gangplank from manipulation.

How exactly do you know we have Lookouts and Detectives? Do we also have Spree Killers? Do we send all our power roles to the same place then send the Spree Killers there too? Is this a good idea?

In terms of bus drivers it takes two people saying they're bussed to indicate a bus driver. Only one has claimed being bussed. Until we hear another claim this suggests drug dealer more than anything.

I am worried that none of this stuff occurred to you, and I am perhaps more so worried that even after I point these things out you are still pushing for this plan.

[Nocturne]

All hail Nautilus
leader of our fair town...


I doubt anyone is going to listen to you.

[Nautilus]

How exactly do you know we have Lookouts and Detectives? Do we also have Spree Killers? Do we send all our power roles to the same place then send the Spree Killers there too? Is this a good idea?

In terms of bus drivers it takes two people saying they're bussed to indicate a bus driver. Only one has claimed being bussed. Until we hear another claim this suggests drug dealer more than anything.

I am worried that none of this stuff occurred to you, and I am perhaps more so worried that even after I point these things out you are still pushing for this plan.

It doesn't matter if there aren't these roles. The possibility of these roles either following Gangplank or watching his target should prevent them trying something like this because if they are found out that's 2 mafia dead.

A bus driver, if there is one, could choose to switch Gangplank or a lookout could choose to watch him. Whether the mafia want to risk it is up to them and a witch and especially a consort blocking Gangplank is hardly the end of the world anyway.

[Nautilus]

It doesn't matter if there aren't these roles. The possibility of these roles either following Gangplank or watching his target should prevent them trying something like this because if they are found out that's 2 mafia dead.

A bus driver, if there is one, could choose to switch Gangplank or a lookout could choose to watch him. Whether the mafia want to risk it is up to them and a witch and especially a consort blocking Gangplank is hardly the end of the world anyway.

tl;dr

wifom

[Fizz]

Dude, I don't want to be rude or anything, but it's becoming hard not to be.

If a spree killer visits somebody, everybody who visits him dies. That's whatever power role you encouraged to visit him.

You don't care if a witch or consort interferes with Gangplank? By your own logic you should believe this to be catastrophic. You said we lynch Gangplank if he doesn't block who we told him to. You don't think that's a bad thing?

You just introduced two distinct non-matching thought processes into the conversation.

[Ryze]

I don't understand why there is this massive circlejerk surrounding Alistar. Did someone randomly ask him to claim his role, and now it's suspicious all of a sudden that he isn't, or what? Because that's fucking stupid.

[Nocturne]

I don't understand why there is this massive circlejerk surrounding Alistar. Did someone randomly ask him to claim his role, and now it's suspicious all of a sudden that he isn't, or what? Because that's fucking stupid.

Pretty much.

[Fizz]

I don't understand why there is this massive circlejerk surrounding Alistar. Did someone randomly ask him to claim his role, and now it's suspicious all of a sudden that he isn't, or what? Because that's fucking stupid.

I know right.

[Nautilus]

Dude, I don't want to be rude or anything, but it's becoming hard not to be.

If a spree killer visits somebody, everybody who visits him dies. That's whatever power role you encouraged to visit him.

You don't care if a witch or consort interferes with Gangplank? By your own logic you should believe this to be catastrophic. You said we lynch Gangplank if he doesn't block who we told him to. You don't think that's a bad thing?

You just introduced two distinct non-matching thought processes into the conversation.

I don't think there is a spree killer and it's the PRs choice if they want to risk it. If Gangplank starts lying about why he failed to block someone it shouldn't be that hard to see through it. If he was actually witched or blocked we could decide what do to with him depending on what else is happening that day. I was saying that we would 100% lynch him if he failed to block someone to make sure he would do it but you don't understand wifom.

@Ryze Read Alistar's posts and tell me it was random.

[Fizz]

I don't think there is a spree killer and it's the PRs choice if they want to risk it. If Gangplank starts lying about why he failed to block someone it shouldn't be that hard to see through it. If he was actually witched or blocked we could decide what do to with him depending on what else is happening that day. I was saying that we would 100% lynch him if he failed to block someone to make sure he would do it but you don't understand wifom.

@Ryze Read Alistar's posts and tell me it was random.

So in summary, you don't actually have any plan whatsoever.

[Nautilus]

So in summary, you don't actually have any plan whatsoever.

I'm sure you can figure it out if you try hard enough.

[Fizz]

I'm sure you can figure it out if you try hard enough.

Destroy all Town?

[Forum Mafia GM]

Update before sleep:

Alistar ( 8 ): Orianna, Shaco, Lee Sin, Gangplank, Nautilus, Jarvan IV, Soraka, Zilean
Gangplank (3): Fizz, Katarina, Nocturne
Zilean (2): Riven, Renekton
Fiddlesticks (2): Sona, Garen
Renekton (2): Lux, Fiora
Nautlius (1): Alistar
Riven (1): Veigar
Lee Sin (1): Caitlyn

18 required for termination.

You have 10 hours agents.

[Gangplank]

I was going to block Zilean anyways, really.

I don't care what the fuck you guys will do with your PRs to confirm me or if I even go unconfirmed/block someone else cuz of witch and get lynched tomorrow.

Anyways, I probably will be witched. Hopefully it will let our sheriffs and investigators doing their jobs.

[Riven]

Coordinating escort actions at day is foolish. They will obviously not send Zilean to kill, and weren't going to anyway with the suspicion on him.
He still hadn't defended himself and is lurking like predicted. he would be our best bet today, and even though I'm not really sheriff i'm 90% sure he is scum (and not trying to appear scum). He is new to forum mafia like I expected and therefore making lots of obvious slip-ups. Please give it some consideration, read his posts, so that we can get somewhere today.
Alistar wagon is only based on Lee Sin's speculation that his jailor is Lucy and Alistar, and I'm not buying it yet. Alistar isn't acting particularly scummy in my book.

[Lee Sin]

Goooood Morning, everyone!

So many of you want to know why we are voting Alistar. I came into today with only one piece of information: I was jailed last night.

So when two other people claimed that they were jailed, I was skeptical. I snooped around and tried to look for people who absolutely believe one claim or another. Jarvan's claim had no firm believers. Irelia's claim had 3-4 firm believers. In my opinion, both claims gave next to the same amount of evidence.

Alistar was not one of the one's who firmly believed Irelia.

So when I went over Alistar's posts and voted for her, I was planning on just pressuring her. I'm not saying she is an executioner. I'm saying she's scummy. For those of you who think that I think that Alistar jailed me last night, I don't think so. I have my eyes watching another.

The fact that Gangplank claimed so close to when I accused Alistar and asked her to claim a role piqued my interest.

Gangplank was one of those who believed Irelia.

Irelia's claim seems rock solid to me.


Gangplank's claim brought the attention to himself. He is scummy, as well as Alistar. So when he takes attention away from Alistar when he has, what? 2 votes? That told me that they are connected, regardless of whether one voted the other.

I was not planning on bringing this up until tomorrow because I would be able to look and put together lists of people who believed any of the claims.

Lol, just reading over my arguments I should be voting Gangplank to show a connection. But that won't do anything right now because he claimed and it's possible we'll know if he's mafia on day 2. I'm in the belief that he is mafia.

[Lee Sin]

And remember, my last post is all legitimate even if Jarvan lied about being jailed.

[Gangplank]

Goooood Morning, everyone!

So many of you want to know why we are voting Alistar. I came into today with only one piece of information: I was jailed last night.

So when two other people claimed that they were jailed, I was skeptical. I snooped around and tried to look for people who absolutely believe one claim or another. Jarvan's claim had no firm believers. Irelia's claim had 3-4 firm believers. In my opinion, both claims gave next to the same amount of evidence.

Alistar was not one of the one's who firmly believed Irelia.

So when I went over Alistar's posts and voted for her, I was planning on just pressuring her. I'm not saying she is an executioner. I'm saying she's scummy. For those of you who think that I think that Alistar jailed me last night, I don't think so. I have my eyes watching another.

The fact that Gangplank claimed so close to when I accused Alistar and asked her to claim a role piqued my interest.

Gangplank was one of those who believed Irelia.


Gangplank's claim brought the attention to himself. He is scummy, as well as Alistar. So when he takes attention away from Alistar when he has, what? 2 votes? That told me that they are connected, regardless of whether one voted the other.

I was not planning on bringing this up until tomorrow because I would be able to look and put together lists of people who believed any of the claims.

Lol, just reading over my arguments I should be voting Gangplank to show a connection. But that won't do anything right now because he claimed and it's possible we'll know if he's mafia on day 2. I'm in the belief that he is mafia.

Ok. I'll tell you who I block tonight. If I have to block a citizen to prove myself as non-mafia I will.

Irelia's claim seemed solid because 1) she had confidence in her claim 2) the jailed pm which according to her is exactly the same as Jarvan's 3) the code

I mean, there must be a town jailor (I think?) and Jarvan's claim seemed a lot more suspicious to me than hers. And no, I did not take attention away from Alistar. I just claimed (I guess prematurely, I just didn't want to be hammered when asleep or something) because I was pressured and that occurred parallel to Alistar's pressuring.

We've been over this before. Vote me if you want.

[Riven]

You were in no danger of being hammered Gangplank, I even have trouble remembering if anyone payed you any attention tbh.
Is Lee Sin Kromos?

[Gangplank]

You were in no danger of being hammered Gangplank, I even have trouble remembering if anyone payed you any attention tbh.
Is Lee Sin Kromos?

Ya, that was just an amateur mistake on my part claiming so early (which seems to happen to us newbies in every FM >.>). But still, I think that you are underestimating the general scum feeling on me. Fizz and Jarvan were the most vocal, then Nautilus and multiple others who I remember had listed me as scum.

Perhaps not enough to be serious, but still not an inconsiderable amount. If I hadn't claimed I have no doubt I would be sitting at around 10 votes by now.

[Lee Sin]

So let me take your reasons and smash them to the ground.

1. Confidence
Anyone can have confidence. Did you know that when someone cons you he is a confidence man. No way around it. Just because someone is confident doesn't mean they are right and giving you all the facts. The best liars in FM always are confident in their lies. If you think that confidence is the one reason to believe her claim, then you must either be stupid or mafia.

2. Jailed PM
Tell me, when did Irelia say that her PM was like that of Jarvan's? It was after he paraphrased it. For all we know the mafia jailed Jarvan last night and so they know for a fact that Jarvan was jailed and so Irelia would have nothing to lose and everything to gain if she's lying about being jailed to claim she got the same PM.

3. Code
I already brought this up in an earlier post. Someone else did too. The code proves nothing about the alignment of the jailer nor does it prove that Irelia was jailed. Mafia can make up a code just as easily as a jailer. If the mafia authored that code then that would be a very bad thing for town jailer (s?). Just because there's a code doesn't prove that Irelia was jailed


Do you have other reasons to believe Irelia so I can crush them too?

[Gangplank]

Well that's definitely true Lee. I dunno, I guess her jailed claim just seemed more solid to me.

And anyways, I don't think her jailor was Lucy cuz of how Elixir freaked after you posted the pms.

[Riven]

This sounds very far-fetched. Are you Falsetruth?

[Lee Sin]

This sounds very far-fetched. Are you Falsetruth?

LOL

Read the thread

[Riven]

LOL

Read the thread

I find it harder to believe mafia went through all this trouble vs there being 2 town-aligned jailors. It requires creativity, something you've got plenty of to come up with this theory, but maybe not the mafia, and it certainly sounds risky as fuck because this way both jarvan and Irelia would be mafia and in spotlight.

[Lee Sin]

I find it harder to believe mafia went through all this trouble vs there being 2 town-aligned jailors. It requires creativity, something you've got plenty of to come up with this theory, but maybe not the mafia, and it certainly sounds risky as fuck because this way both jarvan and Irelia would be mafia and in spotlight.

Jarvan doesn't need to be mafia. Neither does Irelia, but it is possible. Jarvan may have been jailed by a fail town jailer (by his discription), or not jailed. Irelia could have been jailed by Lucy Stillman. But I think it much more likely that Irelia is scum And Jarvan was jailed.

[Riven]

Also why are you encouraging everyone to chase ghosts instead of pressuring Zilean? Do you find him a tiny bit scummy?

[Caitlyn]

Also why are you encouraging everyone to chase ghosts instead of pressuring Zilean? Do you find him a tiny bit scummy?

Are you claiming to have information that suggests that Zilean is an evil role / Alistar is innocent?

[Riven]

Are you claiming to have information that suggests that Zilean is an evil role / Alistar is innocent?

I have my analysis if Zilean. Just like you have your analysis of Alistar. Oh wait you don't. You just follow the flow.

[Lee Sin]

Also why are you encouraging everyone to chase ghosts instead of pressuring Zilean? Do you find him a tiny bit scummy?

The people who have been pressuring him are on my scum list. He is on my radar but not quite on my scumlist.

[Renekton]

Fiora
I would like to bring attention to this post, it slipped by unnoticed. As Lux rightly pointed out, it is very interesting that Ranekton claims to know that Riven is Luna and Zilean is Nick. I would like to know where Ranekton based these claims on if it is not a slip by the mafia who know each other's COM names.
This would point to all three of Ranekton, Riven, and Zilean being scum together.
Also, according to Lux, Ranekton was on uninvisible at night. Possibly talking in night chat?

It´s Renekton not Ranekton.

If you would pay any attention to this game you would know that those aren´t the COM id s i have stated. I just took 2 names and throw it into the day to get minor scum "like you" into voting me. Producing slip ups.

Maybe some less gay rp and some more productive posts if you are town.

If somebody tries to slip under the radar it´s you and your shitty pegasus :D

[Lee Sin]

I would like to bring this up:

I have no doubts about all 3 claims of jailing being genuine, except maybe jailors claiming jailed in coordination maybe with the jailees to swap roles around. That would require a great deal of trust though.
Off top of the hat I think Fiora and Irelia have had some lesbian business going down, but maybe I'm wrong. The post edit makes me think Irelia can also be a very important power role and needs protection.
I also believe GM's reaction hints strongly to Lee Sin's jailor being Lucy.

Orange needs little from me to really speak why you are trying to turn the attention away from Gangplank/Alistar/Irelia.

Blue is more a sticky point for me. If Jarvan is telling the truth then I think it more likely that his jailer was Lucy, not my jailer. If he's not then Irelia's jailer could be Lucy and that helps the mafia.

[Riven]

The people who have been pressuring him are on my scum list. He is on my radar but not quite on my scumlist.

Care to share with us your scumlist and reasoning? Except ofc Gangplank and Alistar.
Also no jailor shall dare to claim my comname, it will certainly be a lie.

[Caitlyn]

Care to share with us your scumlist and reasoning? Except ofc Gangplank and Alistar.
Also no jailor shall dare to claim my comname, it will certainly be a lie.

Whattt is this...

Anyways, what is it with you and Zilean ?

[Riven]

I would like to bring this up:


Orange needs little from me to really speak why you are trying to turn the attention away from Gangplank/Alistar/Irelia.

Blue is more a sticky point for me. If Jarvan is telling the truth then I think it more likely that his jailer was Lucy, not my jailer. If he's not then Irelia's jailer could be Lucy and that helps the mafia.

Can you really be sure? No you cannot. I don't believe we can derive which jailor is Lucy and who he is yet. All I had at that point was elixir's claim eh is maintaining "balance" by hastily introducing a pretty much useless rule as it turned out to be.
Jarvan hadn't yet even said what his jailor did, only that he fully trusts him.
And yes I'm diverting attention away from your trail of thought, that's all I'm doing - because I don't think it leads anywhere productive.

[Riven]

Whattt is this...

Anyways, what is it with you and Zilean ?
Do you read - at all? Zilean is scum as fuck and is our best bet today. If i made a real gambit and claimed sheriff, you sheep would already have hammered him. I gave you a choice, a possibility to come to it on your own, without using cheap methods to sway your opinion. Seeing how it turned out in fm9, a sheriff claim, even a counterclaimed one, would make town lynch even a doctor, so I hoped that maybe this can shed some light onto things without a real claim and a risk of lynching a townie should i be wrong. But all Zilean did is cave, and so I keep pushing for his lynch, without support it seems.

[Gangplank]

Do you read - at all? Zilean is scum as fuck and is our best bet today. If i made a real gambit and claimed sheriff, you sheep would already have hammered him. I gave you a choice, a possibility to come to it on your own, without using cheap methods to sway your opinion. Seeing how it turned out in fm9, a sheriff claim, even a counterclaimed one, would make town lynch even a doctor, so I hoped that maybe this can shed some light onto things without a real claim and a risk of lynching a townie should i be wrong. But all Zilean did is cave, and so I keep pushing for his lynch, without support it seems.

I was originally going to block Zilean tonight, but since it's already out there, I'll do it.

If I get blocked myself or witched then I think we can be safely certain that he is scum.

[Jarvan IV]

Can you really be sure? No you cannot. I don't believe we can derive which jailor is Lucy and who he is yet. All I had at that point was elixir's claim eh is maintaining "balance" by hastily introducing a pretty much useless rule as it turned out to be.
Jarvan hadn't yet even said what his jailor did, only that he fully trusts him.
And yes I'm diverting attention away from your trail of thought, that's all I'm doing - because I don't think it leads anywhere productive.

EY YO BITCHTITS!

YOU WANNA START A FIGHT, NUKKA?

[Jarvan IV]

PS: I don't trust my jailor anymore. I believe he was a fucking scummy piece of shit, he refused to talk about the game whenever I'd try he'd just detract from the conversation and ended up getting me to play a guessing game which he claimed to be Goremancer in the end of. That is all.

[Renekton]

Yo sir Spamalot did you read through the Gorecancer gaolr loggs?

[Jarvan IV]

Yo sir Spamalot did you read through the Gorecancer gaolr loggs?

Yeah. They were a 100% match.

[Renekton]

Yeah alright i hope he is Mafia, If he is Town its just a wasted town PR. LOL

[Jarvan IV]

Yeah alright i hope he is Mafia, If he is Town its just a wasted town PR. LOL

I lol'd. Poor Goremancer, everyone's making fun of him.