M-FM VII Gamethread

[CmG]

What I'm saying is that mafia members rarely get modkilled by the host, but replacement requests from mafia members are more common compared to other roles.

Your argument that "checking modkilled players isn't useful because modkills are usually citizens" doesn't fly for replacement requests. Checking replaced players does make sense.

Dude i wont vote you, no matter what you do. Try harder please.

[Ubernox]

I am very tempted to vote BorkBot.

[Phyr]

Well, it's another no lynch day. And I don't like it. At all.

[Sumikoko]

Lol, I'm tempted to just go down the role list and randomly pick someone to lynch. It's practically a 50/50 chance of lynching scum. The problem with this chat is that everyone is going in circles because you have Mafia accusing other Mafia members, unlike the usual town vs. Mafia members we usually have. Just pick someone, and go with it. We can't afford another no-lynch day.

There is no way for town to win unless there's a Veteran, Gunsmith, or Vigilante in this setup. Or unless the Mafia start a turf war with each other.

[Goremancer]

Looks like you people want us to stop lurking. Too bad. We're bored. we would advise you guys to not shoot us or lynch us. Or you can do that and feel like an idiot. I'm pretty sure Nick already knows my role anyway.

[Goremancer]

Looks like you people want us to stop lurking. Too bad. We're bored. we would advise you guys to not shoot us or lynch us. Or you can do that and feel like an idiot. We're pretty sure Nick already knows us role anyway.

Disregard the previous post. First conjugation plural.

[Blazer]

Ok, I wasn't going to post this in order to protect myself, but I promise you guys I am not scummy! It would be a waste of people's night abilities to check me tonight, so please do not feel like you need to. (Although this declaration on my part is probably raising some red flags... please don't waste time checking me anyway >.> ) It really hurts my feelings that you guys don't believe me!! I don't know what more there is to do to prove my innocence. CmG, I promise you I am town. Dust is probably trying to buddy with me or whatever term you are so fond of using. I don't know Dust's motivations, but I don't know why he is maliciously trying to pressure me into revealing my role. It's REALLY not very nice, because now people think I am suspicious, and so ok, I will be completely honest with you guys just to prove myself. There is nothing more I can do. and I guess you guys will believe me or you won't. ! At this point if I claim citizen, masons will most likely try to recruit me and then out me when I am unable to be recruited, so... Plus there are way too many citizen claimers for them to deal with already in this game. The best I can think of is to claim and hope for a doc. :[ I'm SO disappointed that my first forum mafia game is going to end with everyone distrusting me and pressuring me for my role. :[ I am not mafia. Why won't people believe me!?

You wanted a role declaration?
Ok. Fine.
I am town investigator.
N1: Mopin - Journalist/Corrupt Journalist
N2: Blazer - Citizen/Mason/Veteran/Godfather/Actress/Lawyer
N3: Dust -

I was interviewed Day 1, Article 2, and tried to convince whichever journalist that I was consig instead of investigator because I really wanted to know if there was a corrupt journalist in the setting, and I wanted to possibly try to get him to out himself to me. I am new to forum mafia and just scribbled down a few codes I made up, that is why they are not particularly subtle or anything. Now that I think about it, a huge block of numbers would look really suspicious and people would most likely start asking questions. I didn't think much of it at the time... If mopin was corrupt journalist and interviewed me, idk, I would think that he would take the chance to out himself just to try to establish connections with the mafia. Whoever is regular journalist can silently confirm this. Digression:Oh, also to answer one of nick's earlier points, I matched up journalist articles based on sentence structure, not journalist comment length. Commentary length is perhaps the easiest thing to change, but people are not likely to change their stentence structure unless they are consciously thinking about it.

This is why I voted Blazer. He is one of the roles I listed, or he was framed. In either case we have new info: Masons can recruit him tonight, or we can confirm the presence of a framer. I was trying to be subtle about this earlier, but it seemed like nobody was listening, so I tried to be more and more obvious, which I guess was suspicious to some people. This is honestly so distressing to me. I can't believe Dust would pressure me to reveal my role. That is honestly the rudest thing I have ever dealt with. I don't like people in sc2 mafia who call for role calls either unless they are jailor or it's near the end of the game. This is ridiculous and hopefully will prove my innocence and cast Dust under suspicion, because honestly WHY would he want to out me. WHY. I think that's the biggest question here. I dont' understand him, but maybe some of you guys who have played with him longer have some metagame reasoning behind what he is doing. Does he know my role? In that case, he is way likely to be consig. I have tried, and I can't think of any scenarios in which what he has done to me is pro town in the slightest.
Told you I was godfather.

[Kony]

clementine is baby keel her

[Phyr]

Well, then make them vote somebody!

[Phyr]

25 mins for a quicky

[CmG]

clementine is baby keel her

OmG Kony is a disguiser he was disguised! Kony would never kill babies, he would abduct them!

[Blazer]

25 mins for a quicky

That's what your mom said last night.

[Phyr]

Looks like you people want us to stop lurking. Too bad. We're bored. we would advise you guys to not shoot us or lynch us. Or you can do that and feel like an idiot. I'm pretty sure Nick already knows my role anyway.
Why would I feel like an idiot, if you brought NOTHING to the table. I reread your post and they are basically NOTHING. Unless you claim through pictures and videos (that I can't watch) in a way that eludes me. I'm up to see you dead. And GriM will die! Shot right between the eyes!

[Sumikoko]

Who has the most number of votes right now?

[Kromos]

Blazer (2) : clementine, BorkBot
clementine (1) : Kony
Nick (2) : Blazer, CmG
BorkBot (1) : Deathfire123
Ubernox (1) : Fragos
Goremancer (4) : Nick, Phyr, Ubernox, Rihfok
Kony (2) : GriM-DeMoN, Rocshi

You have 20 minutes until the day ends.

[Phyr]

Lol, I'm tempted to just go down the role list and randomly pick someone to lynch. It's practically a 50/50 chance of lynching scum. The problem with this chat is that everyone is going in circles because you have Mafia accusing other Mafia members, unlike the usual town vs. Mafia members we usually have. Just pick someone, and go with it. We can't afford another no-lynch day.
Why don't you vote then?
Here the tally:
Blazer (2) : clementine, BorkBot
Goremancer (4) : Nick, Phyr, Ubernox, Rihfok
clementine (1) : Kony
Nick (2) : Blazer, CmG
BorkBot (1) : Deathfire123
Ubernox (1) : Fragos
Kony (2) : GriM-DeMoN, Rocshi

[Ubernox]

We should probably start shifting our votes on to Goremancer.... I mean, like now.

[Blazer]

-VOTE GOREMANCER!

Your time will come Nick.... Mark my words.

MARK THEM WELL!!!!!!!!!!!

[clementine]

Err so what's the plan?

[clementine]

vote goremancer

[Phyr]

Well, Goremancer really might be Citizen :(
Blazer (1) : BorkBot
Goremancer (6) : Nick, Phyr, Ubernox, Rihfok, Blazer, clementine
clementine (1) : Kony
Nick (1) : CmG
BorkBot (1) : Deathfire123
Ubernox (1) : Fragos
Kony (2) : GriM-DeMoN, Rocshi

[Kony]

clementine is bad keel her instead

[Ubernox]

Goremancer is at L-3. We can make this happen. Why don't these supposed "masons" give us a hand? I'm looking at you, dear Sumi.

[clementine]

I feel weird voting the same person with blazer... >.>

[Sumikoko]

-vote Goremancer

If he is a citizen, the Masons will take the loss.

[Blazer]

I feel weird voting the same person with blazer... >.>

Shut up before I keel you next.

[Phyr]

I'm displeased with the situation as a whole. Goremancer showed up way too late :(

[Ubernox]

Two hours left...

[Phyr]

more like 1 minute

[Sumikoko]

And the sad thing is, all the people here have already voted, most likely.

[Kromos]

Night Three: Indecision


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn2XD42R5DE



Another day passed and another night followed. The citizens of Hedmark discussed much but did little. A push was made to lynch Goremancer late in the day but it failed to gain enough support before night fell. Perhaps tomorrow would yield more results... and more bodies.



Final Vote Tally:

Blazer (1) : BorkBot
clementine (1) : Kony
Nick (1) : CmG
BorkBot (1) : Deathfire123
Ubernox (1) : Fragos
Goremancer (7) : Nick, Phyr, Ubernox, Rihfok, Blazer, clementine, Sumikoko
Kony (2) : GriM-DeMoN, Rocshi

A majority was not reached. No one was lynched.



Night Three will be 25 hours long.

Night Three will end at this time. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=11+pm+GMT++%7C++Thursday%2C+April+12%2C+2012)



Role List:

Godfather (Anders Westrum)
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Neutral Role
Hidden Neutral Role
Cop / Insane Cop
Investigator
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Citizen / Journalist
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Possible Hidden Mafia Roles: Actress, Blackmailer, Consigliere, Consort, Dirty Sleuth, Drug Dealer, Fabricator, Framer, Janitor, Lawyer, Mafioso

Possible Hidden Neutral Roles: Corrupt Journalist, Executioner, Jester, Witch

Possible Hidden Town Roles: Armoursmith, Bodyguard, Citizen, Cop, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Gunsmith, Insane Cop, Investigator, Journalist, Lookout, Mason, Medical Student, Sleuth, Veteran, Vigilante



Hedmark Population:

Rihfok
Nick
Rocshi
Goremancer
clementine
FrostByte
GriM-DeMoN
BorkBot
Deathfire123 (replaced creedkingsx)
Phyr
CmG
Blazer (replaced trineroks)
Sumikoko
Dust
Fragos
Ubernox
Kony (replaced ajkei)



Hedmark Burial Mound:

Halfdan Geirstad (Jarl of Hedmark): Died Night 0 - Shot in the head by Anders Westrum, leader of the Preservers.
Luna (Preserver Soldier): Died Night 0 - Head chopped off by a Vestfold Warrior.
Crimson (Preserver Soldier): Died Night 0 - Beaten to a pulp by a Vestfold Warrior.
TheWaaagh (Vestfold Warrior): Died Night 0 - Shot multiple times by a Preserver Soldier.
Kovath (Vestfold Warrior): Died Night 0 - Shot in the head by a Preserver Soldier.
Hedmark Citizens (Citizens): Died Night 0 - Killed in the Great Fire.
Escaho (replaced DramaLlama) (Sleuth): Died Night 1 - Found with a Vestfold arrow embedded in his skull.
McPwnage (Citizen): Died Night 1 - Throat slit while stargazing.
Mopin (Corrupt Journalist): Died Night 2 - Cleaved in two by a Vestfold axe.

[Kromos]

Night will end one hour early (so 24 hour night instead of 25 hour).

Night Three will end at: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+pm+GMT++%7C++Thursday%2C+April+12%2C+2012

[Kromos]

Day Four: A Costly Mistake


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im22nKsR0Rc



Sumi slip on icy patch, break head. Icy patch put there by preservers.

Phyr got runny nose. Nose froze then fell off so died. Nose made runny by vestfold soup. No nose so dunno role. Then left note on head.

Death note:


Red mafia faked orange kill

Rihfok is immune



The Hedmark Times:

Article:

No article was submitted.

Comments from the editor:

The editor did not make any comments.



Last Wills:

Sumikoko:


We sent Grim to recruit Blazer last night, in junction with Clementine's "Investigations." If the recruitment failed, then if you trust Clementine, Blazer is Mafia. Or you can believe that Clementine is lying, which doesn't clear Blazer of suspicion, but alleviates immediate incrimination.

I bid town good luck. Can you escape this whirlpool of a town loss?

Phyr:

???



Day Four will end at this time (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+pm+GMT++%7C++Saturday%2C+April+14%2C+2012) OR when someone is lynched.

It will take 8 votes to lynch someone.



Role List:

Godfather (Anders Westrum)
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Neutral Role
Hidden Neutral Role
Cop / Insane Cop
Investigator
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Citizen / Journalist
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Possible Hidden Mafia Roles: Actress, Blackmailer, Consigliere, Consort, Dirty Sleuth, Drug Dealer, Fabricator, Framer, Janitor, Lawyer, Mafioso

Possible Hidden Neutral Roles: Corrupt Journalist, Executioner, Jester, Witch

Possible Hidden Town Roles: Armoursmith, Bodyguard, Citizen, Cop, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Gunsmith, Insane Cop, Investigator, Journalist, Lookout, Mason, Medical Student, Sleuth, Veteran, Vigilante



Hedmark Population:

Rihfok
Nick
Rocshi
Goremancer
clementine
FrostByte
GriM-DeMoN
BorkBot
Deathfire123 (replaced creedkingsx)
CmG
Blazer (replaced trineroks)
Dust
Fragos
Ubernox
Kony (replaced ajkei)



Hedmark Burial Mound:

Halfdan Geirstad (Jarl of Hedmark): Died Night 0 - Shot in the head by Anders Westrum, leader of the Preservers.
Luna (Preserver Soldier): Died Night 0 - Head chopped off by a Vestfold Warrior.
Crimson (Preserver Soldier): Died Night 0 - Beaten to a pulp by a Vestfold Warrior.
TheWaaagh (Vestfold Warrior): Died Night 0 - Shot multiple times by a Preserver Soldier.
Kovath (Vestfold Warrior): Died Night 0 - Shot in the head by a Preserver Soldier.
Hedmark Citizens (Citizens): Died Night 0 - Killed in the Great Fire.
Escaho (replaced DramaLlama) (Sleuth): Died Night 1 - Found with a Vestfold arrow embedded in his skull.
McPwnage (Citizen): Died Night 1 - Throat slit while stargazing.
Mopin (Corrupt Journalist): Died Night 2 - Cleaved in two by a Vestfold axe.
Sumikoko (Mason): Died Night 3 - Killed by the Preservers.
Phyr (???): Died Night 3 - Killed by the Vestfold.

[GriM-DeMoN]

-Vote Blazer
Failed to recruit this guy

[The Tally
Blazer: GriM-DeMoN

[GriM-DeMoN]

Rihfok is immune also Oh dare.
We need to get to those Mafia

[Blazer]

NO SUMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[FrostByte]

-Vote Blazer
Failed to recruit this guy

[The Tally
Blazer: GriM-DeMoN

Since when did you claim Mason?

[Blazer]

Since when did you claim Mason?

He didn't. He is saying that the Masons failed to recruit me (Sumi)

[BorkBot]

Since when did you claim Mason?

You are way behind..

Too bad the other mafia didn't kill you. I kind of hoped that they would.


Rihfok is immune also Oh dare.
We need to get to those Mafia
Mafia death notes can be lies.

And Blazer could be a jester, but we can take the risk. Either way we should still use this day to get more information, so don't rush a lynch.

The masons aren't as smart as I had hoped. Oh well.

[Blazer]

I can't believe they would attempt such a dangerous event like this. Convert the GF? Oh plz.

[BorkBot]

Godfather (Anders Westrum)
Can send a member of the mafia or himself to kill someone. He cannot be tracked and appears to be a citizen to investigative roles.

Says nothing about nightkill immunity.

So that leaves a few possibilities:
- The death note is a lie (highly likely, but I still think Rihfok is mafia)
- The orange mafia hit someone with an armoursmith vest. Nobody has reported to have received any, so we have no evidence that an armoursmith exists.
- The orange mafia attacked a veteran and was healed (lolwut)

[Kromos]

The Godfather is immune to night kills. I'll update the role card. Sorry for the confusion.

[BorkBot]

Alright.

Then:
Vote Rihfok

Inb4 people start accusing me of protecting him.

[BorkBot]

Note that I still think that death note is probably a lie, because a godfather AND a fabricator on one team seems overkill of roles that are mainly useful if they are sent to kill.

The orange mafia is more likely to have a fabricator, as CmG already stated.

[Blazer]

I am the godfather you derp. Not Rihfok. Rihfok is my minion...

[FrostByte]

You are way behind..

Too bad the other mafia didn't kill you. I kind of hoped that they would.


Mafia death notes can be lies.

And Blazer could be a jester, but we can take the risk. Either way we should still use this day to get more information, so don't rush a lynch.

The masons aren't as smart as I had hoped. Oh well.
Oh goodness. I did touch a nerve yesterday, didn't I?

[BorkBot]

I think there's a greater chance of you being a jester and Rihfok being "cleared" by a WIFOM death note from his own mafia.

We should've lynched you yesterday though. Then the masons wouldn't have wasted a recruit on you.

By the by, clementine deserves some scrutiny too. I don't believe that investigator claim.

[BorkBot]

Oh goodness. I did touch a nerve yesterday, didn't I?

Yes. You annoy me with your attention deflection strategies. You should be proud.

[Blazer]

I think there's a greater chance of you being a jester and Rihfok being "cleared" by a WIFOM death note from his own mafia.

We should've lynched you yesterday though. Then the masons wouldn't have wasted a recruit on you.

By the by, clementine deserves some scrutiny too. I don't believe that investigator claim.
That's bull and you know it. You can't honestly believe I'm jester. I mean COME ON! How horrible of a Jester I would be.....(notice how I'm saying im not jester so am i wifoming as jester omg im so confused.):>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>:>

[BorkBot]

Godfather (Anders Westrum)
Consigliere/Dirty Sleuth?
Hidden Mafia Role
Janitor
Dirty Sleuth/Consigliere?
Framer?
Hidden Neutral Role
Cop / Insane Cop
Investigator
Mason (Grim)
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Journalist
Citizen
Citizen

I hope Phyr was red mafia. If not, we have lost this unless the mafias decide to massacre each other in the near future.

[Blazer]

Godfather (Anders Westrum)
Consigliere/Dirty Sleuth?
Hidden Mafia Role
Janitor
Dirty Sleuth/Consigliere?
Framer?
Hidden Neutral Role
Cop / Insane Cop
Investigator
Mason (Grim)
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Hidden Town Role
Journalist
Citizen
Citizen

I hope Phyr was red mafia. If not, we have lost this unless the mafias decide to massacre each other in the near future.

He wasn't red mafia. And I don't plan on killing orange anytime soon...Maybe the next night after this one....

[Deathfire123]

-Vote Blazer

Sumi validates Grim, Grim incriminates Blazer

[Blazer]

-Vote Blazer

Sumi validates Grim, Grim incriminates Blazer

Finally someone with half a brain. (Your still a douche <3)

[BorkBot]

-Vote Blazer

Sumi validates Grim, Grim incriminates Blazer

You're not trying very hard to hide that you benefit from a lack of discussion, are you?

[Blazer]

You're not trying very hard to hide that you benefit from a lack of discussion, are you?

This dude is good

[BorkBot]

Clementine orange consig, Blazer red actress that took on some PR to get us to lynch clementine afterwards.

U so brilliant Blazer.

[BorkBot]

Tbh, that scenario wouldn't be bad for us.

[Blazer]

U so brilliant Blazer.

i know ;) that's what EVERYONE says....or doesn't say.....I don't remember.....

[Deathfire123]

You're not trying very hard to hide that you benefit from a lack of discussion, are you?

Its the second vote, nowhere near the lynch majority amount, yeah, I'm really trying to hurry things up

[Ubernox]

-vote Blazer sry bro

[clementine]

Hey! That's typecasting! Just because my name is clementine doesn't mean I play for the orange team!! :[
vote Blazer

Other town PR, Grim and I can't be the only ones with leads. Step it up and share something.
Borkbot, why don't you believe my claim? Please let me know I'd be happy to clear up your confusion.

[FrostByte]

Sumi's supposed last will -
We sent Grim to recruit Blazer last night, in junction with Clementine's "Investigations." If the recruitment failed, then if you trust Clementine, Blazer is Mafia. Or you can believe that Clementine is lying, which doesn't clear Blazer of suspicion, but alleviates immediate incrimination.

I bid town good luck. Can you escape this whirlpool of a town loss?

Have we considered the possibility of a lawyer being in the game? Why is there no kufufu or chainsaw references?

[clementine]

To me it sounds like the language sumikoko uses. To be completely honest I don't know the way she talks very well, but Grim's post about Blazer not being able to be recruited confirms (to me) that her last will is real.

Honestly, I think Phyr may have been mafia, but I'm not sure. He just as easily could have flipped town PR in my mind. Thoughts?

[clementine]

also @Borkbot I changed my avatar to my orange bunny hello kitty plushie! Her name is clementine. Sorry, I got bored of the clementineman picture that you posted for me to use. :P

clementine is an expert disguiser. Who was able to notice that she was actually hello kitty!?

[Blazer]

also @Borkbot I changed my avatar to my orange bunny hello kitty plushie! Her name is clementine. Sorry, I got bored of the clementineman picture that you posted for me to use. :P

clementine is an expert disguiser. Who was able to notice that she was actually hello kitty!?

Ninja claim mafia. And a non-existant role to boot.

[Blazer]

-vote Blazer sry bro

<3 nothing but love

[CmG]

Lol that Lawyer shit. U Kidding right? It makes no sense to lawyer a mason with other masons around. They can´t even investigate. Mason or missmason thats what its about.
Hey Bork do you pull the same shit again like in the Tormentor game with the Death note? Btw it´s a really cool idea for a Death note. Who did this was no new player or an amateur.

Since it wasn´t me it was either Dust, Borkbot or Fragos. The rest are sheep.

Or maybe Rihfok is indeed the Godfather or a town/neutral/mafia with a vest. We should look into this today as well.

If we have a Vigilante claim today. You are the only one who can win this for us anymore so you are the only one who should get heals and vests.

[Dust]

A great day for freedom: Today. I will be making an epic role claim today. I just need to write it up.

PREPARE YOURSELVES!

[Blazer]

A great day for freedom: Today. I will be making an epic role claim today. I just need to write it up.

PREPARE YOURSELVES!

Prepared ten hours ago and still waiting.....

[CmG]

inb4 he claims dirty mexian

[CmG]

Oh i mean Dirty Mexican Sherriff

[BorkBot]

Its the second vote, nowhere near the lynch majority amount, yeah, I'm really trying to hurry things up

What I mean is that you say almost nothing and just leave with a vote.

Tbh CmG I was suspecting you of that death note. Or maybe Ubernox or Nick.

[CmG]

Nope not my shit. This Death note is too stupid that it is good again. The killer claims that Red has a Godfather and a Fabricator. This might be but it is rather unlikely only the red team knows this for sure. So how do you expect how team red will act to it? This is too easy to look through it. They try to convince us that Rihfok is indeed Mafia and we lynch him today.

Both teams with Fabricators? I don´t think so. 1 Team with a fabricator? I don´t think so, I see no Vigilante claim or a 3. kill. Where would a Fabricator make any sense here?

None exactly.

That´s why i want to hear from Rihfok today because the mafia starts now to kill themselves off i guess.

[Blazer]

so we got 4 ppl on and no discussion going. wtf is up with that. start posting you losers. stop lurking.

[BorkBot]

Borkbot, why don't you believe my claim? Please let me know I'd be happy to clear up your confusion.
There was a lot of weird scumminess/WIFOM in your claim, in the very same post.

You promised CmG you were town. You swore that you had absolutely nothing to do with Dust and that people shouldn't trust him. You ask others not to check you. You announce your next investigation target even though there might be a framer. You claim at the very end of the day and provide information, when very little time is left to deliberate what to do with that claim. You say how you are oh so scared that the masons will try to recruit you. You suggest that the masons waste a recruit on someone who is useless to them even if he was a citizen, and who didn't behave like a citizen at all.

All in all it just seemed fishy to me. Like someone who was trying to pose as something important enough to kill, or manipulating to steer town roles in the wrong direction. I can't specifically point out any fallacies in the post, though I don't trust it.

We should have lynched Blazer yesterday to get a better read on you.

[BorkBot]

Another curious thing... Why did the journalist not interview anyone? Is Rocshi the journalist? (he seems more or less AFK)

[BorkBot]

That, or the person who was interviewed didn't submit anything. If that were the case, the journalist should have left a comment saying whom they interviewed so we'd know who was being shady.

[Blazer]

Maybe there was only the corrupt journalist?

[BorkBot]

Maybe there was only the corrupt journalist?

We had 2 articles before Mopin died. So there's one journalist left.

[CmG]

because the journalist died last night? DUN DUN DUN!

[Rocshi]

I'm not journalist.

-vote Blazer

You're a PR, actions pls.

[Rocshi]

because the journalist died last night? DUN DUN DUN!

Actually, Phyr did seem like he could be the journalist, the editor on Day 1 Article 2 sounded fairly like him.

[Blazer]

Maybe Phyr was town journalist :O
Rocshi, use your enigma skills to figure out what i am. OWNED!

[BorkBot]

I checked the order of operations, and he would have been able to publish his article before he got killed. Talkative as he was I doubt Phyr neglected an opportunity to submit an article.

[BorkBot]

1 Journalist Interview
2 Put on vest
3 Veteran goes on alert
4 Witching
5 Blocking
6 Lookout/Detective (Can see blocks/witching, but can also be affected by those actions)
7 Jester Visitation
8 Actress chooses role to act as
9 Give Guns/Armour
10 Framing
11 Mason recruit
12 Cop / Insane Cop / Investigator / Consigliere / Coroner / Sleuth / Dirty Sleuth
13 Drug Dealer
14 Blackmailer
15 Journalist publishes article
16 Bodyguard (+1 to life bar)
17 Kills (-1 to life bar)
18 Heals (+1 to life bar)
19 Janitor Cleans / Lawyer changes last will

[Dust]

I claim jailor. I jailed CmG last night and I executed him. So you can thank me for that. I used a neat forum trick. I looked and noticed when the mafia posted and when one mafia didn't post, I sent in my action. Look where we are. 2 mafia dead and one more to go. A SK on the loose isn't so bad. I think BorkBot is the SK so when he claims sheriff we should lynch him. Kromos and TheWaaagh are the scummiest people atm but I'll lynch McPwnage if enough suspicion is thrown on him.

trololol

I'm actually the Investigator. I was worried that I would be as bad as I was in FM11 with the sheriff but I found that I could do some things with investigator that I couldn't do with sheriff.

I wrote the very first article, the one where everyone was try to figure out what it meant. It means this: Each loop is equal to 1. Thus 8 = 2, B = 2, 2 = 0, d = 1,

Add it all together is 5

clementine was player 5 from the top at that time.

Night 1 I checked clementine. He (she?) seemed like a competent player and so I wanted a read on his (her) role since I can't use my standard reads on vets around here. She came up as "Citizen / Mason / Veteran / Godfather / Actress / Lawyer."

What I did on day 3 to clementine was give him (her?) an opportunity to take a bullet for the town if he (she?) was mafia. Since he (she?) claimed investigator and did not die, even with his (her?) results on Blazer that either the mafia teams had different priorities, didn't believe him (her?), or knew he (she?) was lying or that the doctor was on him (her?). I don't know but it's scummy.

On night 2 I checked Fragos because I had a feeling that he's scum. I'm not going to put out what I found on him right now. I might later. But for what you need to know, he's not in the citizen category.

On night 3 I checked CmG because I was getting mixed readings from him. He also came up as "Citizen / Mason / Veteran / Godfather / Actress / Lawyer."

So this brings the citizen numbers up to:
Citizen / Journalist - (I don't know who the journalist it, but for this accusation to work I think Kromos would have used this slot for journalist and not a town PR slot)
Citizen / Mason - Rocshi (his saying that he could not confirm nor deny on Sumi's advice confirmed it. If he was not recruited then he would have denied it)
Citizen / Mason - Sumikoko (dead)
Citizen - Clementine OR CmG
Citizen - McPwnage (dead)

So I say that either clementine or CmG is the godfather. I really doubt the death note is telling the truth.

So yeah, Clementine/CmG, defend yourselves!

[Blazer]

So then wtf happened to our article?

[clementine]

See FAQ:

35) Can the publishing of an article be blocked?
Yes.

Escort/consort must have blocked whoever journalist is. You might as well claim now because mafia knows who you are. Masons can get you tonight. If nobody claims, Phyr was journalist and was rb'ed and couldn't publish article.

There, problem solved.

And I'll respond to Dust shortly.

[clementine]

Mafia role list:

Godfather
Hidden Mafia Role
Hidden Mafia Role
Consort
Janitor
Hidden Mafia Role (Sent to kill Phyr)

[Blazer]

See FAQ:

35) Can the publishing of an article be blocked?
Yes.

Escort/consort must have blocked whoever journalist is. You might as well claim now because mafia knows who you are. Masons can get you tonight. If nobody claims, Phyr was journalist and was rb'ed and couldn't publish article.

There, problem solved.

And I'll respond to Dust shortly.

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[Blazer]

Kromos can i fix that please!?!?!??!?!?!?!

[clementine]

This is how I see it:

I can confirm that Dust is an investigative role. I am, indeed either citizen/mason/veteran/godfather/actress/lawyer That makes him either
A. Town investigator
B. Orange Mafia Investigator
C. Red Mafia Investigator

Let me go through the possibilities.
A. Town Investigator - Dust could very well be town investigator, trying to present to us a likely mafia lynch target (either CmG or myself), but something doesn't sit well with me with his claim. Honestly, the only way for town to force mafia to turn on each other is not for us to take out the preserver's godfather with a daytime lynch. This wouldn't make sense for town in the slightest. We should NOT lynch the immune at night godfather in order to FORCE the orange mafia to try to kill off the rest of the red mafia on their own. (I'm fine with lynching other random red mafia roles, just not the godfather at this point) In the case of a "tie" with only mafia left over at the end, red mafia has the advantage with an immune at night role. Orange mafia has incentive to position themselves in a situation where they have the power of the vote to lynch the red mafia's godfather in the daytime because they cannot kill him. Orange mafia should be targeting red mafia members, excepting the godfather in order to thin the numbers of red mafia to best position themselves for their end game.

I digress a little. Anyway, IF Dust is town investigator he will agree with what I have said. In his post he agrees there could be slots available for 2 more citizens (me and CmG) I'm not saying that I believe CmG is also a citizen, but I think masons should have a shot at CmG before we move to lynch. Dust is correct, I am citizen. Masons come and get me please. I was lying about being investigator, but since Blazer failed to be recruited, I believe we should press him anyway.

B. Orange Mafia Investigator - Honestly this option makes the most sense to me by far. This honestly would prove the part of the orange mafia death note that the red mafia team has a fabricator. N2, orange mafia tries to kill CmG. Dust, if he is orange mafia, is consig, and has investigated me n1. That much, I know is true. He then knows what CmG's result would come up as, seeing as his team just tried to kill the GF and failed because he was night immune. Today, Dust presents his results, TRYING TO GET US TO LYNCH RED MAFIA GF FOR THE ORANGE MAFIA TEAM. This raises so many alarm bells. Why are we helping orange mafia win? Orange mafia should be KILLING RED MAFIA right now. If we lynch godfather right now, we are just paving the road for orange mafia to win. This is the last trump card I can think of that town has. If we just DONT lynch godfather for a while in order to pressure orange mafia to kill off red support mafia, then maybe town has a chance. Just maybe. That is the only way we have a hope.

C. Red mafia consigliere - Why would Dust try to out himself and potential godfather. The only way this works is if CmG is NOT godfather and claims citizen (and CmG and I are both citizens). This would clear Dust as a town PR role, receiving night protection, and the like. In this instance, CmG and I should not be lynched, simply attempted to be recruited by the masons. I don't doubt the validity of CmG and my investigative messages.

tl;dr Masons should recruit myself (tonight please!) and CmG tomorrow. I am citizen, CmG may be citizen. Force orange mafia to kill off red mafia at night and not kill town. Dust is confirmed invest/consig OR is on a mafia team with a consig.

If Dust pushes for a CmG or clementine lynch today, he is confirmed orange mafia.

[Blazer]

To bad i'm going to kill you tonight Clementine.

[clementine]

err....

Edit to part C:
This would falsely clear Dust of suspicion and establish him as a trusted town PR role, receiving night protection, and the like.

GriM, recruit me please, I'm sorry I lied about being investigator, but I am citizen. We should still attempt to pressure Blazer into role claiming because it might bring up some new leads and help us jump to more conclusions.

Mason to do list: (suggested)
Tonight - Recruit Clementine & Report back to town
Tomorrow night - Recruit CmG & report back to town

IF CmG is Godfather, we want to have the power in numbers to not lynch him and force orange mafia to start killing red mafia if they want to win. (This means there would only be 1 town death per night)

also, inb4 people think I'm scummy for not wanting to lynch godfather. Think about it though. It's the only way we have any leverage over the orange mafia team.

[Blazer]

Wait. So clementine is still pushing a vote on me claiming she got some results about me and that I should die. Now she claims citizen and that I should still be lynched? She doesn't correct herself on her lynching pattern? Interesting.....If you are a citizen you deserve to die. You are scum.

[clementine]

Blazer, would you care to role claim?
If you claim you are godfather, I do not want to lynch you.
If you are jester, I'd claim something else... Like actress or lawyer...
(Just a tip) :P

[Blazer]

Blazer, would you care to role claim?
If you claim you are godfather, I do not want to lynch you.
If you are jester, I'd claim something else... Like actress or lawyer...
(Just a tip) :P

How about no. Don't try and test me. You won't get anywhere, trust me.

[Blazer]

-vote Clementine

[clementine]

Masons got a result on you when you failed to be recruited. I was bluffing, but now we have solid mason evidence to show that you are not town. You are therefore either Town PR or mafia or neutral (jester?)

The results of my bluff produced a result, and while the original bluff reason for my vote is no longer valid, the fail to be recruited by masons is, I believe, a valid reason to pressure you and/or lynch you.

Maybe I'm just upset that you didn't let me replace into your Death Note S-FM :P

[Dust]

uhh... We should lynch scum. I don't want to have another no lynch day. Right now this is the best lead (imo) Blazer being GF is only brought on by a false claim by clementine so....yeah. The death note is likely a lie and so we should follow my lead and lynch either CmG or clementine.

And BTW, actress/laywer are in that investigation result too. I'm not accusing either of you of being the GF, just of being mafia.

[Blazer]

Masons got a result on you when you failed to be recruited. I was bluffing, but now we have solid mason evidence to show that you are not town. You are therefore either Town PR or mafia or neutral (jester?)

The results of my bluff produced a result, and while the original bluff reason for my vote is no longer valid, the fail to be recruited by masons is, I believe, a valid reason to pressure you and/or lynch you.

Maybe I'm just upset that you didn't let me replace into your Death Note S-FM :P

You contradict yourself. You are definitely not town. Either that or a useless town role.

[clementine]

I still think it is a mistake to lynch potential GF. That' is the only leverage town has over orange mafia. Regardless of what CmG is, here is what I think mafia roles are:


Godfather -
Fabricator -
Hidden Mafia Role -

Janitor -
Consort - Blazer
Consig - Dust

Possible names to fill in my list: Rihfok, BorkBot, Nick, Goremancer, CmG.... Nothing yet is conclusive.

I'd be anxious to see what CmG, Nick, BorkBot, and FrostByte have to think about all this, as I think their previous experience in forum mafia might shed some light where I have none (regarding metagame, etc) and if they think my theory is valid.

[Blazer]

I say we pressure Clementine today and see how much she squeals. If worst come to worst, we can lynch her.
She already has no credibility so I would like to see how to tries to wiggle out of being lynched. Will she then say oh no i jking im a town PR dun lynch me plz?

[Dust]

I still think it is a mistake to lynch potential GF. That' is the only leverage town has over orange mafia. Regardless of what CmG is, here is what I think mafia roles are:


Godfather -
Fabricator -
Hidden Mafia Role -

Janitor -
Consort - Blazer
Consig - Dust

Possible names to fill in my list: Rihfok, BorkBot, Nick, Goremancer, CmG.... Nothing yet is conclusive.

I'd be anxious to see what CmG, Nick, BorkBot, and FrostByte have to think about all this, as I think their previous experience in forum mafia might shed some light where I have none (regarding metagame, etc) and if they think my theory is valid.

Why do you believe the death note? It's from the mafia. Do you know something we don't?

[Dust]

Why do you believe the death note? It's from the mafia. Do you know something we don't?

talking about the fabricator in the red mafia

[Blazer]

You already know all of the OJ mafia roles eh? Interesting.

[clementine]

Either:
A. You are orange mafia consig, and Red mafia has a fabricator
OR
B. You are town investigator and it is inconclusive whether red mafia has a fabricator or not.

I'm inclined to believe A, because it honestly makes the most sense to me. Why else would you and Blazer be pushing to lynch me or CmG if you were not orange mafia. You guys NEED town to lynch the godfather or else in the event of a mafia on mafia scenario, red mafia WINS because of godfather night immunity. The only way town can hold this leverage over you not to kill us is by forcing orange mafia to kill red mafia while red mafia kills town or orange mafia.

Doesn't anybody else see this? I would rather random lynch somebody who has no chance of being masoned in the hopes that they are a support member of the mafia before I would lynch the godfather, at least at this point. Don't help the orange mafia. This is the only way! We can get red mafia later.

[clementine]

I have nothing to lose. I will be masoned tonight and cleared of suspicion.

My "claiming investigator" gambit has paid off and revealed two of the orange mafia. :]

I will claim again in case Grim didn't see this yet.
I AM CITIZEN. GriM, please recruit me tonight! :]
Also Grim, please respond to this post to indicate that you saw my plea for recruitment. :]

[clementine]

You already know all of the OJ mafia roles eh? Interesting.

Because I am smart. Point out a flaw in my logic and I will acknowledge it and re-evaluate my opinion. Claiming it's interesting because I have pieced together connections about what has happened does nothing to change my point of view. It does deepen my opinion of you and Dust's guilt. Please respond. Tell me where I am wrong. Tell me how this doesn't make sense. Tell me why you are NOT consort or janitor. If you are not, then I am missing vital information that could clear you and implicate someone else.

[CmG]

My thoughts are clear about this read my scum lists i posted on Day1 and the list i posted on Day 3 when i was interviewed. Also Its funny how everybody thinks there was only 1 Mason from start in this setup and totaly neglected the possibility of 2 starting Masons.

I highly doubt that Dust is the investigator at this point he was too much of a middle field player over 4 Days. Keep in mind that it is a better strategy for the Mafia to find the other Mafia members first because they are only 3 instead of possible TPR and neutrals. In the end you will only win if you eliminate Town and Mafia. Since the Godfather has night immunity they try to lynch their suspect. A lynched cit is a huge boon as well since the Masons are the strongest force town has in this setup.

I don´t believe your claim and i don´t believe that you have investigated me at this point. I believe Phyr was probably the investigator and you try a gambit at this point.

Does somebody feel the urge to counterclaim?

[Blazer]

Because I am smart. Point out a flaw in my logic and I will acknowledge it and re-evaluate my opinion. Claiming it's interesting because I have pieced together connections about what has happened does nothing to change my point of view. It does deepen my opinion of you and Dust's guilt. Please respond. Tell me where I am wrong. Tell me how this doesn't make sense. Tell me why you are NOT consort or janitor. If you are not, then I am missing vital information that could clear you and implicate someone else.

Kill me and you will be shown teh facts. I am not OJ mafia. You will look like a dumba** lololol. Kill me plz. I want to show Clementine how retarded he is! <3

[Dust]

If I weren't mistaken, you seem to focus solely on the GF part of that investigation message. I am looking at a holistic approach. In my experience, people tend to focus on their own role (I did it early on in my games).

It's scummy as hell.

Clementine's change in demeanor and her accusations of me lead me to believe that I investigated scum on night 1.

-vote clementine

CmG, do you disagree with your investigation message? If you do then that's scummy because I am the investigator. I can prove it by telling the result on Fragos.

[clementine]

Note: My role list makes the assumption that Phyr was journalist and was both role blocked and killed and cleaned last night by mafia. If someone else here is journalist we will know tomorrow, and that means that consort won't necessarily be a role on the orange mafia team. It could even be an escort, for all I know.

Because Blazer has been pretending to be jester all game, if town wants to go for a safe lynch, we can go for Dust instead. What do people think?

[Blazer]

Note: My role list makes the assumption that Phyr was journalist and was both role blocked and killed and cleaned last night by mafia. If someone else here is journalist we will know tomorrow, and that means that consort won't necessarily be a role on the orange mafia team. It could even be an escort, for all I know.

Because Blazer has been pretending to be jester all game, if town wants to go for a safe lynch, we can go for Dust instead. What do people think?

Actually I haven't pretended to be anything. You just don't understand.

[Dust]

Note: My role list makes the assumption that Phyr was journalist and was both role blocked and killed and cleaned last night by mafia. If someone else here is journalist we will know tomorrow, and that means that consort won't necessarily be a role on the orange mafia team. It could even be an escort, for all I know.

Because Blazer has been pretending to be jester all game, if town wants to go for a safe lynch, we can go for Dust instead. What do people think?

You must be smoking something. I am the investigator. Just because you think that I'm orange mafia and trying to lynch the GF doesn't make me orange mafia. I'm the invest trying to lynch scum. You're only putting suspicion on me today, when having the masons come and recruit you (if you are indeed a citizen, which I doubt now) and perhaps confirm or lynch you tomorrow.

Take some of your own advice. Wait. And perhaps another investigation role has another lead so we can put this off. At the moment, it's you and CmG.

[Dust]

CmG, you do realize that you sound scummy when you doubt my claim when clementine confirmed that I was an investigative role? This is no gambit. This is me, telling you that I'm investigator and that I have a lynch group today because roles don't match up.

And to the metagaming part of your doubt, I always try different things each game. I happened to not have a lot of time during this M-FM so I made a compromise (I had another tactic I wanted to try out), I would stay in the mid-field.

Want me to reveal what type of role Fragos is so he can either confirm or deny what I've said?

[BorkBot]

I am slightly worried that clementine is steering for a double mason recruit failure, seeing as they are apparently easy to manipulate. Your suggestion to recruit Blazer based on nothing is extremely scummy.

Dust, what's your opinion on Nick?

[CmG]

I wont agree nor deny at this point out of obvious reasons you seem to neglect at this point my Friend.

[Rihfok]

I'm back from sleep, but I'll be going to school in an hour, so I ask you to not hammer anyone for the next 10 hours, once I come back from school, I will have very important things to say, and I want to be ready to answer to any questions that will come.

As I have just said, I will not be voting anyone right now.
Please be patient.
Dust claiming Inves messed up my thoughts.

[Dust]

I am slightly worried that clementine is steering for a double mason recruit failure, seeing as they are apparently easy to manipulate. Your suggestion to recruit Blazer based on nothing is extremely scummy.

Dust, what's your opinion on Nick?

He needs to claim something soon or I will be more suspicious of him than I am already. He hasn't posted yet so I don't know when that'll be.

I might check him tonight if he doesn't claim.

[Dust]

I wont agree nor deny at this point out of obvious reasons you seem to neglect at this point my Friend.

About lynching the GF part? I thought I answered that in my interaction with clementine. I just know that one of you is scum. GF is one of the possible roles, yes. But isn't lynching a possible scum better than letting him go?

[Rihfok]

About lynching the GF part? I thought I answered that in my interaction with clementine. I just know that one of you is scum. GF is one of the possible roles, yes. But isn't lynching a possible scum better than letting him go?

It might be better, but losing another town to lynch would be fatal, and I promise that you will have much to think after I write my big post after school.

[CmG]

Well you assume. That one of us is scum. There is a difference my friend. Even if we pretend that the citize slot was filled with the journalist there is still the possibility of 2 starting masons and the masons actually failed to recruit on a night and never mentioned it, or there is 1 additional mason around.

Also the possibility of a framer comes to my mind as well.

Like i said lets wait a bit. I can claim any time its not a big deal. The question is if its neccesary at this point.

Btw your claim took its time.

[Blazer]

This is the make it or break it time. Town is running out of options. We must act.

[Rihfok]

This is the make it or break it time. Town is running out of options. We must act.

It is, but I once again ask you to wait some more hours, I will have the whole evening free, it will be VERY important.

[Blazer]

It is, but I once again ask you to wait some more hours, I will have the whole evening free, it will be VERY important.

Ok. I will go to sleep, wake up, take an exam, come back.

[Fragos]

Good morning everyone.

Dust, are you really town investigator? Do you already figured out who I am? Do you understand what I tried to do in the following two days?

[Fragos]

Since one of the mafia groups has a janitor that can clean last wills, I will reveal my role to town soon.

I'm not going to do this now, but after I return from work, a large wall of text will be incoming. So don't lynch anyone yet, I need to collect more information from Day 3 discussion.

[Fragos]

And Dust, I don't believe yet that you are town investigator, especially after seeing clementine's false claim, so that's why I'm going to do this soon.

Just for goodness sake don't lynch anyone until I return from work. This should be done in 10 hours.

[clementine]

GriM I am citizen. Recruit me plz! :]

[Fragos]

clementine lied. He lied about Blazer's role, so why we should even believe him now?

At the same time, I would also like to hear what will CmG says in his defense. Unless he was the hidden mason recruited by Grim.

[clementine]

clementine lied. He lied about Blazer's role, so why we should even believe him now?


T.T isn't that what you call WIFOM? T.T
Trying to be a target to die and protect town PR and let them work. :]
I was wifoming pr as citizen. I kept hinting that sumikoko should recruit me tho... If you look back through my posts you can see me hinting at it.... Yet I was never recruited yet... So might as well be as blatant as possible yeah?

GriM, I am citizen. Please recruit me!

[Fragos]

Grim, what do you think? Is clementine really citizen? We need your responce as well.

[GriM-DeMoN]

Ill recruit Clementine tonight.
I Think Blazer is Mafia we were saying to recruit him in Mason Chat because we belived he was Citizen failed to recruit him though.
Then ill try CMG.

Right now my Scum list is
Blazer,CmG

[clementine]

Yay, thanks GriM! :]

[Kony]

hello kony here

[Goremancer]

Hi guys. We are here. We believe CmG is scum. Because he is always scum.

[Kromos]

Blazer (5) : GriM-DeMoN, Deathfire123, Ubernox, clementine, Rocshi
Rihfok (1) : BorkBot
clementine (2) : Blazer, Dust

You need 8 votes to lynch. Remember that a lynch will end the day early.

[GriM-DeMoN]

I say we lynch Blazer I can take a Jester win.
We need to lynch

[clementine]

unvote Blazer

Hey, I'm gonna unvote just because I want to hear from Rihfok and Fragos who said they had something urgent to share. I don't want day to end before they get a chance to come back.

[Rihfok]

I'm back for the moment.
I know this will cause chaos and many won't believe me...
I am Investigator
I was trying to not get to anyone's radar, but that failed.
Night 1 I didn't know who to check, so I went random, and checked BorkBot.
It came out as Citizen / Mason / Veteran / Godfather / Actress / Lawyer, so I decided to keep an eye on him.
Night 2 I checked Dust, since he was suspicioous to me, and I got Investigator / Consigliere, I wanted to make a surprise with this today, but he beat me by time and announced himself, so I can only confirm that he is some kind of investigative role.
BorkBot was blocked night 2, as he claimed, and since there was no Preserver attack, and the Preservers have a Godfather, it was the alarm for me and I tried to press him, but I failed since I had no real arguments against him without revealing.
Night 3 I checked Nick, since he was suspicious too... and I got Coroner / Janitor, and I was surprised when we had a Janitor clean this day, so it also rings for me that Nick is one of the Mafia.
I didn't got interviewed or attacked, so Preservers are trying to throw guilt at me, as I think Bor was the GF and got blocked.
Naturally I now say that Dust is Consigliere, and he will say the same to me, but this will be difficult for me to win, as both Nick and BorkBot will try to defend cleverly (if they really are Mafia), try to WIFOM and seem to believe, or perhaps they are Town, but I doubt it, I don't think anyone got framed, since roughly everything fits, although I could be wrong.

I am ready to answer any questions.

[Rihfok]

I also know that even if I die noone might trust me, as I might get cleaned after death leaving confusion.

[GriM-DeMoN]

Nick is Janitor Borkbot is Godfather Dust is consigliere good leads.
If theres a Vigilanite shoot nick.

For now -Vote Borkbot
Gf first

[Rihfok]

Nick is Janitor Borkbot is Godfather Dust is consigliere good leads.
If theres a Vigilanite shoot nick.

For now -Vote Borkbot
Gf first

Well, I'm kinda surprised that you suddenly agreed with me and not Dust, as I was expecting a lot of distrust.
Well, in my eyes this is the right thing to do:
-vote BorkBot

[clementine]

Rihfok, I believe you. Your story makes a lot more sense to me than Dust's. (Especially after Dust and Blazer started trying to lynch me...) >.>

With your new information, here is what I believe the mafia roles to look like:

Godfather - Bork Bot
Fabricator -
Hidden Mafia -(Dirty Sleuth?)


Janitor - Nick
Consigliere - Dust
Consort - Blazer


And GriM, did you read my posts? At this point, I believe the best action for the town is to NOT lynch suspected godfather, but to lynch a different mafia member. Remember, the godfather can only kill (and is night immune), so the godfather won't be able to investigate our roles or role block us or sanitize our last wills. What we should do today is take out either Janitor, Consig, or consort in order to force the orange mafia to attack non-godfather red mafia at night (or else orange mafia is sure to lose.) This is honestly the only strategy I can think of for town because I don't think we have a vigi. (Hopefully we do). Of course, if orange mafia decides to just attack town anyway, then idk.... I have to think about this a little more. I seriously think we should consider lynching the Janitor or Consort first though.

[clementine]

PLEASE! We need to think about this before we lynch godfather. If we help orange mafia lynch godfather, then they have no incentive to kill red mafia instead of town!

[Rihfok]

Alright.
-unvote BorkBot
This is a critical choice and we need to think this through.

[Rihfok]

I will first like to hear something from Nick, but taking out the Janitor might be a huge plus, since from that moment we will always know the role of the dead person.
I don't know yet, I need to think this through right now.

[clementine]

Let me break it down for you:
Today: 3 red mafia, 3 orange mafia, 1 neutral, 8 town.

Town wants to position so that we maintain majority until the end so we can lynch (because I don't think we have a vigi. We need orange or red mafia to turn on the other and start killing.
Orange mafia doesn't want to end up 1v1 vs the godfather because he is immune at night, and would "break the tie" if numbers are even. Because of this, orange mafia either has to ally with the neutral or go into the last lynch day 2orange vs. 1 red (gf) OR last night 2 orange vs. 1 red mafia not godfather so they can kill at night
It is my opinion that orange mafia NEEDS town's help to lynch the godfather because we have number advantage at this point. It sure sounds good to lynch the godfather, but honestly, we could get rid of a role blocker to let our doctor have unblocked heals. We could get rid of the janitor to be able to see people's roles. We will need to get rid of the godfather at some point, but I think it's best to wait as long as possible to see the orange mafia members get nervous. They'll start worrying that they'll end up in an unwinnable situation simply because godfather is invulnerable at night. This is a weakness that we MUST exploit to the best of our abilities.

Red mafia has to make it to the end in equal numbers or less to win. 3red vs. 3 town/oj mafia. Either way they win because they have the kills and immunity. They are the most powerful right now, especially since we have not confirmed hardly any of their members yet.

The way we need to frame this is to make a lynch that puts orange mafia in an increasingly uncomfortable position until they are forced to ally with the town. In this way, orange mafia will have incentive NOT to target town because they need our votes to help them get the godfather (and we WILL help lynch the godfather, but this should be done later rather than sooner).

I guess I just fear that unless we start applying pressure on the orange mafia SOON, we will suffer 2 town deaths per night. Right now, I feel like our best option might be to lynch 1 orange mafia today and threaten to lynch another unless they attack a red mafia member tonight. Then we can start going after red mafia with orange mafia on board. Has anyone else thought forward to the end game of this forum mafia? Quite honestly I haven't had a chance to map out all the possible scenarios to make a 100% informed decision, but after the consideration I have put in so far, lynching orange mafia today seems like our best bet.

[clementine]

To everybody, please post your opinion on who we should lynch today.

In honor of Phyr... :[
Vote:
Janitor - clementine
Consort - clementine
Godfather -
Other (please add to this list) -

[Rihfok]

Vote:
Janitor (2) - clementine, Rihfok
Consort (1) - clementine
Godfather -
Other (please add to this list) -

We must still wait for Nick, because there are very high chances that there is a Coroner in play too, though it seems like Janitor to me.

[clementine]

Oh yeah. I hadn't thought of that possiblity since Nick has been borderline suspicious to me that I was quick to believe he could be janitor. Maybe Fragos who I think also said had information to share can help enlighten us in some way about Nick or anybody else.

We definitely should hear from him first. I hope we have a doc left, Rihfok. :[
We need u to survive!!

[clementine]

BLARG.

If Dust is consig and orange mafia knows who godfather is, why would he say CmG is cit/mason/vet/gf/actress/lawyer and not BorkBot who Rihfok thinks is godfather with the "role blocked" claim...

Halp meeeeee. I'm confusedddd.

[Rihfok]

BLARG.

If Dust is consig and orange mafia knows who godfather is, why would he say CmG is cit/mason/vet/gf/actress/lawyer and not BorkBot who Rihfok thinks is godfather with the "role blocked" claim...

Halp meeeeee. I'm confusedddd.

Maybe they didn't really know, but checked CmG and found someone dangerous?
Maybe they had some specific plans?
Maybe they weren't sure who is the GF and decided to make a gambit and hope that he is?
I'm not entirely sure.

[Dust]

Maybe they didn't really know, but checked CmG and found someone dangerous?
Maybe they had some specific plans?
Maybe they weren't sure who is the GF and decided to make a gambit and hope that he is?
I'm not entirely sure.

For one thing, I'm not the orange consigliere; I'm the investigator. I haven't accused either clementine or CmG specifically of being GF. I only accused one of them that one of them is a Godfather / Actress / Lawyer since it's a physical impossibility that both can be citizens. Now that Rihfok has claimed, with the death note effectively clearing him (WIFOM on orange mafia's part. Is he cleared of being in the orange mafia or is he not?) from being in the orange mafia and then he adds yet another lynch target in the category of "possible GF/Actress/Lawyer". It is interesting. I shall ponder this greatly.

And CmG about the possibility of 2 starting masons, I think that's very improbable. If they tried to fake having recruited a starting mason, when they had tried to recruit someone else (unless he was citizen) then that person would have called the masons out. Before you come back with the reply that "the masons could have had a night where they didn't recruit" I say to that: bullshit. If I were mason I would try to gain members asap so I would be a thorn in the side of the mafia.

Since Fragos will reveal here's what I got on him:
Cop / Insane Cop / Executioner / Jester / Mafioso.

So when I said yesterday that I thought I knew who had written the cop claim article that was why.

Rihfok, you weren't interviewed? Hmm. Then where is that third investigator claimer? Personally, I thought Phyr was the author of the investigator article (besides mine). So I don't know if I believe you. I can only say that yes, I am in the investigator / consigliere investigation message but only those who doubted my claim (*cough* CmG *cough*) would find that to be news. I don't know how the other investigation results match up so I cannot verify your claim.

Clementine, either we lynch a scum today or we're going to have a hard day. You focusing on how lynching the GF is good for the orange mafia is very scummy. I have a feeling that you could be in either mafia and trying to save yourself from a lynch by stating that lynching one of the roles you are accused of is good for one mafia. But it should not work because you could also be an Actress or a Lawyer, I didn't say that you or CmG is the GF. (That's you, believing the death note. You shouldn't believe everything you read in a death note unless you're certain of it. I find it unlikely that the death note is true.) I said one of you was scum. Now stop crying about how it helps orange mafia. Yes I know it helps orange mafia but the thing is, we, as town, need to lynch SOMEONE today and imo either you or CmG would be the best bet because I've got the best leads right now.

http://i.imgur.com/qrqYA.jpg

We should not let scum go. I am reluctant to believe Rihfok's claim because, well, it's likely he's a consigliere. While his claim certainly implicates people I suspect, I don't think it's in the best interest of the town to follow Rihfok.

tl;dr
I am accusing people of being scum, not the GF specifically.
2 mason theory is bullshit because recruit fail would likely cry out on the masons.
Fragos is Cop / Insane Cop / Executioner / Jester / Mafioso
I don't know if I believe Rihfok
Either we lynch scum today or we have a really bad time
I have the best leads today

[Blazer]

-UNVOTE CLEMENTINE
-VOTE NICK[/U]]
Sorry Nick, I love you and all :/

[Blazer]

-UNVOTE CLEMENTINE
-VOTE NICK
Sorry Nick, I love you and all :/

[BorkBot]

With the masons being tools and hardly any town players putting in any effort at all, I think it's time for my claim.

Rihfok lies. I'm a Cop. I lied about being roleblocked as well to see how people would react. And to see if some scum would take the bait when the mafia reached critical mass and call me out as godfather with some fake investigator find on me. Nick was "godfathering" me on the same day I claimed blocked and now Rihfok claims investigator who has checked me on night 1 and he investigated Nick... Now he suggests to lynch him first on clementine's tally and not me. Why? Because lynching Nick will "prove" his role and he isn't sure if his result on me is correct.

Night 1, Dust came up as a member of the mafia.

Night 2, Nick came up as not suspicious.

Night 3, Clementine came up as not suspicious.

Despite the odds, I actually think it's more likely that both Nick and Clementine are mafia. Not necessarily in the same faction. It's probably Rihfok and Clementine together, actually.

However, I'm more than happy to help one mafia team lynch another's janitor.

Unvote Rihfok
Vote Nick

[Kromos]

Blazer (3) : Deathfire123, Ubernox, Rocshi
clementine (1) : Dust
BorkBot (1) : GriM-DeMoN
Nick (2) : Blazer, BorkBot

[Rocshi]

Fragos is going to claim Cop.

Now we have... 4 COP CLAIMS WOOHOO.


-vote clementine

I think it's really scummy that he is trying super hard to get recruited by the masons, a real citizen would be pretty vague.

He also has Dust and BorkBot's claims against him.

[Rihfok]

-vote Nick
I don't want to come to a hammer just yet though, and, as expected, distrust came.
What can I say? Unless Bor was framed, he is probably one of the evil roles.
I would be more than happy to eliminate the Janitor and almost preferably die just to show who's lying.
I'm also having wild thoughts of having 2 Investigators in the game, but I doubt it.

[Rihfok]

Fragos is going to claim Cop.

Now we have... 4 COP CLAIMS WOOHOO.


-vote clementine

I think it's really scummy that he is trying super hard to get recruited by the masons, a real citizen would be pretty vague.

He also has Dust and BorkBot's claims against him.

I myself too find clementine suspicious, even though I know you probably don't trust me, I didn't check because of the possibility of getting framed.
It's hard to fight against other people words when you do not possos the required skills.
Having English as native would help too.

[Rihfok]

Now the funny thing is that I lost the fear of getting killed at night, even if I was a member of the Mafia, the other team would probably try to keep me alive for some time to deny my findings.
I don't think I'm on the lynch line in the Mafia too because of evidence etc.
Though this will quickly change once Hedmark members are on the lower side.
Irregarldless of my alignment I will probably get killed/lynched when scum will be the majority, unless they will be taking gambits and hope that I'm not really an enemy Consigliere.
Seems funny, actually.

[Ubernox]

inb4 Fragos claims cop.

My vote is valuable. Lay your claims before me and I shall chose which of you to vote with.

[Rihfok]

lol the "RP" that Kromos now put up.
It may have been there for a quite long time, but I didn't notice it.
If I had died last night I would've went mad for that kind of deaths.

[clementine]

please don't kill me until GriM has a chance to recruit me :P

Also I want to hear Nick talk please before we lynch him >:(

[clementine]

Lol from the RP it becomes obvious that KONY is behind this!
:P

[Blazer]

You must kill Nick first, then Clementine. (Depending on who dies at night and was results we get back ofc.)

[Fragos]

Well, I'm back. I'm going to tell you the summary of events. I am a Cop as well. So does that means we have 2 Cops or BorkBot lies?

Also, there 2 types of cops in this game: Normal Cop and Insane Cop. Which type are each of us?

Here are the results of my night actions:

Night 1, Rocshi came up as not suspicious.
Night 2, Ubernox came up as member of Mafia.
Night 3, Goremancer came up as member of Mafia as well.

If clementine is really the citizen/godather, then BorkBot is Normal Cop and I am Insane Cop. Which means Ubernox and Goremancer are town and Rocshi is mafia.

The real problem comes up if clementine is actually an Actress or Lawyer. That would make BorkBot Insaner Cop and me as Normal Cop. This would mean that Ubernox, Goremancer, clementine and Nick are Mafia while Dust and Rocshi are town. Of course right now I am denying such a possiblity and insist that we lynch Dust today.

There is also another issue: What if we are both normal cops? I don't know what was in Kromos's mind, but I was sure that he would include two Cops in this game. I'll state my previous actions soon.

[Blazer]

Well, I'm back. I'm going to tell you the summary of events. I am a Cop as well. So does that means we have 2 Cops or BorkBot lies?

Also, there 2 types of cops in this game: Normal Cop and Insane Cop. Which type are each of us?

Here are the results of my night actions:

Night 1, Rocshi came up as not suspicious.
Night 2, Ubernox came up as member of Mafia.
Night 3, Goremancer came up as member of Mafia as well.

If clementine is really the citizen/godather, then BorkBot is Normal Cop and I am Insane Cop. Which means Ubernox and Goremancer are town and Rocshi is mafia.

The real problem comes up if clementine is actually an Actress or Lawyer. That would make BorkBot Insaner Cop and me as Normal Cop. This would mean that Ubernox, Goremancer, clementine and Nick are Mafia while Dust and Rocshi are town. Of course right now I am denying such a possiblity and insist that we lynch Dust today.

There is also another issue: What if we are both normal cops? I don't know what was in Kromos's mind, but I was sure that he would include two Cops in this game. I'll state my previous actions soon.

Just vote Nick for now.

[Rihfok]

Well, I'm back. I'm going to tell you the summary of events. I am a Cop as well. So does that means we have 2 Cops or BorkBot lies?

Also, there 2 types of cops in this game: Normal Cop and Insane Cop. Which type are each of us?

Here are the results of my night actions:

Night 1, Rocshi came up as not suspicious.
Night 2, Ubernox came up as member of Mafia.
Night 3, Goremancer came up as member of Mafia as well.

If clementine is really the citizen/godather, then BorkBot is Normal Cop and I am Insane Cop. Which means Ubernox and Goremancer are town and Rocshi is mafia.

The real problem comes up if clementine is actually an Actress or Lawyer. That would make BorkBot Insaner Cop and me as Normal Cop. This would mean that Ubernox, Goremancer, clementine and Nick are Mafia while Dust and Rocshi are town. Of course right now I am denying such a possiblity and insist that we lynch Dust today.

There is also another issue: What if we are both normal cops? I don't know what was in Kromos's mind, but I was sure that he would include two Cops in this game. I'll state my previous actions soon.

You also forgot that he might not be a cop at all.
That is my opinion.
This is getting too confusing...

[Fragos]

Well I am the real Cop, after all. Here what I did in the last few days:

On Night 1 I checked Rocshi. He came us as "not suspicious". So when on Day 2 Ubernox claimed himself "sheriff" and that he found Sumikoko NS, I came to thought that he is normal cop, Sumi is mason, and I am Insane cop while Rocshi is actually mafia. So I pulled some pressure on Rocshi until he claimed himself "citizen". After hearing his defense I decided to check Ubernox second night.

Ubernox came up as "member of Mafia". I immediately pulled some pressure on him and wanted to share with you some of my thoughts, but then Day 3 turned into a troll day. I decided to stay silent until I could able to acquire more infromation. I chose Goremancer as my Night 3 investigation target.

Goremancer showed up the same result as Ubernox. But then oranges cleaned Phyr's role. And Dust revealed himself as so-called investigator and said that he checked me on Night 2. I had no choice but to claim my role today before mafia has any chance to silence me.

[Fragos]

So if BorkBot is not a cop then Dust is town?

[Rihfok]

So if BorkBot is not a cop then Dust is town?

I'm confused myself now.
And now I must remind that some of our results might be fake, if there is a Framer.
I also had the idea of Kromos putting in 2 Investigators just to mess up town.
I really don't know. With so many claims and so many results I'm mixed up and I can't make out who is saying the truth and who is not.
Dust right now is my biggest mystery, and I will continue to say that Bork is not a cop.
You might check Dust tonight, and if you get the same result as Bork claims to get, you will know that something is wrong.
Though it is also risky because he might be framed tonight (if there is framer).

[clementine]

Hey I just remembered nick said he would be afk starting today(found this in my notes) Is anyone going to replace him? Hopefully he is able to log
In and post. :(

[Rihfok]

Hey I just remembered nick said he would be afk starting today(found this in my notes) Is anyone going to replace him? Hopefully he is able to log
In and post. :(

Ohhhhhhhh...
I just remembered that myself.
Is he sick or something?
I'm not sure what should we do now...

[BorkBot]

Fragos, why do you not consider the possibility that both of us are insane cops?

And tsssk.. one investigator claimer trying to direct the other to double check his previous target. When he sees me as cop you'll just go "oh, BorkBot must have been framed night 1."

You're scum, Rihfok. Sorry that your attempt to get me to claim citizen failed. I'm not a tool like Blazer who plays along with a fake claim to avoid being killed (if he's not mafia, that is). You should've picked someone else to WIFOM with.

Because I'm not the witch you thought I was. If i were, I would have set up a code to tell you my night actions.

Last will:

If you're reading this, then I got my message across and you're contacting me. Great.

I'm the witch. I manipulated Dust to visit clementine, but he made no mention of it. If he's not in your mafia then he's probably mafia in the other team. Or maybe the corrupt journalist.

If you want to avoid being manipulated, use the following code:

In your Xth post, start your second paragraph with the word "Please"

X should correspond with the number of the day in the topic title.

I hope you're not going to be jackasses and sacrifice me to gain the town's trust. You're the only mafia team I can communicate with so my money is on you.

GL HF

By the way, unless I overlooked something, nobody used the code.

[Blazer]

Kill him

[Rihfok]

Fragos, why do you not consider the possibility that both of us are insane cops?

And tsssk.. one investigator claimer trying to direct the other to double check his previous target. When he sees me as cop you'll just go "oh, BorkBot must have been framed night 1."

You're scum, Rihfok. Sorry that your attempt to get me to claim citizen failed. I'm not a tool like Blazer who plays along with a fake claim to avoid being killed (if he's not mafia, that is). You should've picked someone else to WIFOM with.

Because I'm not the witch you thought I was. If i were, I would have set up a code to tell you my night actions.

The more you talk about it all, the more I see scum in you.
You are also using me because I can't come up with good defenses or explanations to things.
I am now confident that Fragos is a cop and you are GF. Dust is on the unknown, in case there are actually 2 investigators.
I also believe that Dust might be in the sake team as you, and you are possibly trying to protect him.
If Phyr wasn't Doctor, no mater if the doctor trusts me or not, heal someone else, protect someone more valuable. They WILL keep me alive if Janitor dies.
I'm sad to see myself so pathetic, I literally can't defend against other people claims or defenses.
This is going to end soon.

[Fragos]

I'm sure that Dust can investigate people because he knows my role, and his investigations are correct with clementine's claims. But I don't know if he is mafia or not. I am not believing Rihfok or BorkBot's words now.

Dust is the only one who can confirm me as cop/insane cop, but there are no players that can confirm Rihfok/BorkBot's claims.

I need to know my sanity status now, and I am afraid that the best way to learn it is to interrogate Ubernox/Goremancer.

[clementine]

Fragos, I think u are regular cop. Dont you remember the whole thing with GriM welcoming Rocshi to the masons the sumikoko quickly said wait no we may or may not have recruited him. I believe Rocshi is town so u are most likely sane cop. GriM can confirm if u need.

[clementine]

That is probably the easiest way to find out. Just ask GriM. Also, if Rocshi wasn't a mason by now, don't you think GriM would have pointed it out right away?

[Fragos]

So that means that Ubernox and Goremancer are mafia?

[CmG]

This is a lot of claims with a lot of information. Which is wrong which is right? 4 Hours to go and our best lynch seems to be Nick the Janitor at this point. If Borkbot is Godfather he can wait another day i think. Somebody explain to me why Blazer is possibly consort?

@Dust: Where did i say that the masons not recruit or fail recruited? If you have 2 Masons from start and you recruit a 3. the next night u would tell the Town that there are now 2 Masons but in reality they are 3 and the 3. is wifoming TPR to get killed. I miss the point where this strategy is stupid.

To be honest i believe Dust´s claim more because he wasnt mentioned in a death note. Nick said something about that he will logg in on Friday to post something.

I ll give him 2 hours before i will vote him.

[Rihfok]

This is a lot of claims with a lot of information. Which is wrong which is right? 4 Hours to go and our best lynch seems to be Nick the Janitor at this point. If Borkbot is Godfather he can wait another day i think. Somebody explain to me why Blazer is possibly consort?

@Dust: Where did i say that the masons not recruit or fail recruited? If you have 2 Masons from start and you recruit a 3. the next night u would tell the Town that there are now 2 Masons but in reality they are 3 and the 3. is wifoming TPR to get killed. I miss the point where this strategy is stupid.

To be honest i believe Dust´s claim more because he wasnt mentioned in a death note. Nick said something about that he will logg in on Friday to post something.

I ll give him 2 hours before i will vote him.

Time is still 48 hours, not 24, so there is technically plenty of time.

[CmG]

Oh ok. then nevermind. We can afford to wait for Nick then.

[Rihfok]

Going to sleep.

[Blazer]

Going to sleep.

Nighty night.

[CmG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCfod1XT7E

[GriM-DeMoN]

-Vote Nick
We need to lynch.
Janitor not being able to see roles/Last wills is annoying.
Consort not a big deal.
Consigliere get him next.

[Dust]

Okay so somebody was wondering about Rocshi's status as town. I believe that he is a mason based on a question I asked him and his answer. I asked him if he would confirm or deny being in the masons. He neither confirmed nor denied it stating that Sumikoko was smart and gave good advice. If he was NOT recruited he would have denied being recruited. He would have outed them if he wasn't recruited so that's why I think he's mason.

I made a graph for this:


Name
Role
Night 1 results
Night 2 Results
Night 3 results


Dust
Investigator
clementine - cit result
Fragos - cop result
CmG - cit result


Rihfok
Investigator
BorkBot - cit result
Dust - Investigator result
Nick - coroner result


BorkBot
Cop
Dust - suspicious
Nick - not suspicious
clementine - not suspicious


Fragos
Cop
Rocshi - not suspicious
Ubernox - suspicious
Goremancer - suspicious



So some of these actions clash. Rihfok's night 1 result on BorkBot clearly clashes with BorkBot's claim. If BorkBot is not any of those roles in the citizen result message then Rihfok is either
A. Lying about everything
B. Telling the truth but BorkBot was framed (as a citizen?)
C. Telling the truth about being investigator but making a gambit (I don't know how this makes sense)

BorkBot's claim only seems legit if he's insane (to me, at least) and if there's the parallelism that Fragos has mentioned then it's entirely possible. Fragos makes more sense if he's a sane cop because of the reason I said earlier in this post (Rocshi in the masons).

My night 2 result verifies that Fragos is possibly a cop (I'm inclined to believe he's the sane cop if he's telling the truth about being cop). Clementine verified that I can investigate people with his (her?) citizen claim.

I still don't like the number of citizen results and the total number of citizens out and about. It worries me. While I was out I now see something that clementine clearly glossed over in his (her?) argument over lynching a GF suspect: If the GF was lynched then the red mafia would likely try to kill the orange mafia, clearly nullifying her point and showing that red mafia-centric viewpoint of hers (I'll just assume clementine is a "she" from now on. It's too annoying to write "him (her?)" over and over again.)

But for the moment I shall muse over these events and use this information to formulate a list of who is implicated and who is not.

[clementine]

Hey Dust, I think you misunderstand my points about not wanting to kill godfather right away.

As town, we cannot kill at night (barring vigi), but I'll assume we do not have one unless new evidence is presented. In this case, it does not matter to us that godfather is invulnerable at night because we cannot kill him at night anyways since we don't have a gunsmith as far as I know. The godfather being invulnerable thing is most important to orange mafia who know they need to end up in a situation where they can lynch the godfather or they lose. Since town cannot kill the immune at night godfather anyway, it makes much more sense for us to eliminate consort, janitor, consig, etc. BEFORE godfather because all he can do is kill.

The other mafia roles have a potential to mess with us in a way that is detrimental to our own investigative roles. If, after hearing my argument you still believe we should vote to lynch the godfather over janitor or consig or consort, that solidifies my opinion of you as orange mafia. I'm not saying we should never lynch the godfather; rather I am saying while we have masons, let them try to recruit. We will lynch other mafia roles first and get to the godfather later after janitor and consort are gone. It is considering that the orange mafia most likely has a janitor that I believe we can use the janitor lynch to pressure orange mafia into killing red mafia at night for us.

You guys haven't played with me before, so you are confused and think I am mafia lol. I'm so glad I will be recruited tonight and cleared of all guilt. What a relief!

[Dust]

Hey Dust, I think you misunderstand my points about not wanting to kill godfather right away.

As town, we cannot kill at night (barring vigi), but I'll assume we do not have one unless new evidence is presented. In this case, it does not matter to us that godfather is invulnerable at night because we cannot kill him at night anyways since we don't have a gunsmith as far as I know. The godfather being invulnerable thing is most important to orange mafia who know they need to end up in a situation where they can lynch the godfather or they lose. Since town cannot kill the immune at night godfather anyway, it makes much more sense for us to eliminate consort, janitor, consig, etc. BEFORE godfather because all he can do is kill.

The other mafia roles have a potential to mess with us in a way that is detrimental to our own investigative roles. If, after hearing my argument you still believe we should vote to lynch the godfather over janitor or consig or consort, that solidifies my opinion of you as orange mafia. I'm not saying we should never lynch the godfather; rather I am saying while we have masons, let them try to recruit. We will lynch other mafia roles first and get to the godfather later after janitor and consort are gone. It is considering that the orange mafia most likely has a janitor that I believe we can use the janitor lynch to pressure orange mafia into killing red mafia at night for us.

You guys haven't played with me before, so you are confused and think I am mafia lol. I'm so glad I will be recruited tonight and cleared of all guilt. What a relief!

I must have misunderstood it because it seemed like you were advocating for doing nothing today and letting potential scum loose.

Other mafia roles do have the ability to mess with the town. BUT can you assure me that we'll have enough town members to lynch a godfather later on in the game? I would much rather do it today, when scum are still outnumbered, than in a day or two when 1 to 4 (unless a miracle happens) more voters die.

In my experience, being pessimistic pays off while being optimistic screws the town over.

And I think that you mean "cleared of all suspicion". Cleared of guilt means you did something wrong and you are now not guilty of something.

[clementine]

How is having the numbers to lynch godfather any different than having the numbers to lynch any other mafia member. Town cannot kill at night, so lynching is all we have. It's best for us to not lunch godfather because godfather has no night actions he can exploit to his team's advantage besides killing.

Everybody, please ask yourself why Dust is pushing so hard to lynch cit/gf potentials. Masons should try to recruit them and we should lynch mafia PR like janitor first.

I am not advocating for doing nothing. I want nick to talk and I want us to lynch him if he doesn't have a really good excuse.
Where is Nick!?!?!?!?!

[CmG]

How is having the numbers to lynch godfather any different than having the numbers to lynch any other mafia member. Town cannot kill at night, so lynching is all we have. It's best for us to not lunch godfather because godfather has no night actions he can exploit to his team's advantage besides killing.

Everybody, please ask yourself why Dust is pushing so hard to lynch cit/gf potentials. Masons should try to recruit them and we should lynch mafia PR like janitor first.

I am not advocating for doing nothing. I want nick to talk and I want us to lynch him if he doesn't have a really good excuse.
Where is Nick!?!?!?!?!

SMUUUUUUUUUUUU[SIZE=5]U[/SIZEUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURF!!!

[CmG]

He is working on my new pair of Sneakers. He will be back soon!

[Dust]

How is having the numbers to lynch godfather any different than having the numbers to lynch any other mafia member. Town cannot kill at night, so lynching is all we have. It's best for us to not lunch godfather because godfather has no night actions he can exploit to his team's advantage besides killing.

Everybody, please ask yourself why Dust is pushing so hard to lynch cit/gf potentials. Masons should try to recruit them and we should lynch mafia PR like janitor first.

I am not advocating for doing nothing. I want nick to talk and I want us to lynch him if he doesn't have a really good excuse.
Where is Nick!?!?!?!?!

I'm advocating a lynch based on my own information. Right now I'm still trying to make sense of the mess of claims right now.

[GriM-DeMoN]

I have a feeling Town will lose this game.
If we Don't Lynch some Mafia.

[Dust]

Okay so here's how the claims match up with each other:

1. If Dust is town, Rihfok is scum, BorkBot is scum, and Fragos is scum:
-CmG or clementine are scum
-BorkBot is trying to buddy with Dust, while implicate Nick and clementine
-Rihfok is putting suspicion on BorkBot, Dust, and Nick
-Fragos is implicating Ubernox and Goremancer

2. If Dust is town, Rihfok is town, BorkBot is scum, and Fragos is scum:
-CmG or clementine or BorkBot are scum (Dust's Rihfok's investigations) with Nick very likely to be scum
-Rihfok is putting suspicion on Dust, another town investigator
-BorkBot is trying to buddy with Dust, while implicate Nick and clementine
-Fragos is implicating Ubernox and Goremancer

3. If Dust is town, Rihfok is town, BorkBot is town, and Fragos is scum:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OY8da5qNp3E/Tuj3yijwqUI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/HL5unaUChVk/s1600/impossibru.jpg
Because of Rihfok's investigation on BorkBot.

Thus, Rihfok and BorkBot cannot both be town. One must be lying or someone was framed.

4. If Dust is town, Rihfok is town, BorkBot is scum, Fragos is town:
-CmG or clementine or BorkBot are scum (Dust's Rihfok's investigations) with Nick very likely to be scum as well as Ubernox and Goremancer
-Rihfok is putting suspicion on Dust, another town investigator
-BorkBot is trying to buddy with Dust, while implicate Nick and clementine
-Fragos is sane because of Rocshi's interaction with Dust during day 3

5. If Dust is town, Rihfok is scum, BorkBot is town, Fragos is town:
-Ubernox, Goremancer, Nick, and clementine are all scum (BorkBot's investigation of clementine nullifies the ambiguity of CmG/clementine problem)
-Rihfok is putting suspicion on BorkBot, Dust, and Nick
-BorkBot is insane and Fragos is sane (based on my role for BorkBot's sanity and Rocshi's role for Fragos')

6 .If Dust is scum, Rihfok is scum, BorkBot is scum, Fragos is town:
-Ubernox and Goremancer are both scum
-Dust is implicating CmG and clementine
-Rihfok is implicating BorkBot, Dust, and Nick
-Borkbot is defending Dust while implicating Nick and clementine
-Fragos is sane

7. If Dust is scum, Rihfok is scum, BorkBot is town, and Fragos is town:
-Both BorkBot and Fragos would be sane
-Dust, Ubernox, and Goremancer are scum
-Dust is implicating CmG and clementine
-Rihfok is implicating BorkBot, Dust, and Nick
-Nick and clementine are cleared

8. If Dust is scum, Rihfok is town, BorkBot is town and Fragos is town:
Also
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OY8da5qNp3E/Tuj3yijwqUI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/HL5unaUChVk/s1600/impossibru.jpg
Because of Rihfok's investigation on BorkBot.

Thus, Rihfok and BorkBot cannot both be town. One must be lying or someone was framed.

9. If Dust is scum, Rihfok is town, BorkBot is scum, and Fragos is town:
-BorkBot, Ubernox, and Goremancer are scum with Nick likely to be scum as well as Dust
-Dust is implicating CmG and clementine
-Borkbot is defending Dust while implicating Nick and clementine
-Fragos is sane

10. If Dust is town, Rihfok is scum, BorkBot is scum, and Fragos is town:
-CmG or clementine is scum as well as Ubernox and Goremancer
-Rihfok is implicating BorkBot, Dust, and Nick
-Borkbot is defending Dust while implicating Nick and clementine
-Fragos is sane

Did I miss any scenarios? I feel like I did. Please tell me or just write up the implications of that scenario yourself. It's not that hard.

I personally feel that scenario 5 is the most likely.

[GriM-DeMoN]

I say the best thing so we know for sure is to Lynch Dust.
Then Lynch Nick(The Janitor)

[Dust]

I say the best thing so we know for sure is to Lynch Dust.
Then Lynch Nick(The Janitor)

I appreciate your willingness to use reason and logic to come to your conclusions. Perhaps, oh so wise master, you could write out your logic so that we can pretend to understand it all?

/sarcasm

But really, I give you two targets to try to mason. Take your pick. If he or she isn't recruited then voila! we have a mafia member. If he or she is recruited voila! the other is mafia.

It's really that simple.

[GriM-DeMoN]

GOnna try BorkBot

[BorkBot]

I appreciate your willingness to use reason and logic to come to your conclusions. Perhaps, oh so wise master, you could write out your logic so that we can pretend to understand it all?

/sarcasm

But really, I give you two targets to try to mason. Take your pick. If he or she isn't recruited then voila! we have a mafia member. If he or she is recruited voila! the other is mafia.

It's really that simple.

No, it really isn't that simple.

Possible Hidden Town Roles: Armoursmith, Bodyguard, CITIZEN, Cop, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Gunsmith, Insane Cop, Investigator, Journalist, Lookout, Mason, Medical Student, Sleuth, Veteran, Vigilante

[Dust]

GOnna try BorkBot

lolwut? He claimed cop.


No, it really isn't that simple.

Possible Hidden Town Roles: Armoursmith, Bodyguard, CITIZEN, Cop, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Gunsmith, Insane Cop, Investigator, Journalist, Lookout, Mason, Medical Student, Sleuth, Veteran, Vigilante

What lol. I feel so stupid now for not seeing that. Well then. A lot of the implications need to be rewritten now...

WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME THIS EARLIER?

[BorkBot]

By the way... If we assume that Fragos' claim is true, then Ubernox seems like a safe lynch if Grim confirms Rocshi as mason.

It seems unlikely that he got framed. Goremancer is more likely to be framed because he was almost lynched day 3.

[BorkBot]

What lol. I feel so stupid now for not seeing that. Well then. A lot of the implications need to be rewritten now...

WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME THIS EARLIER?

Because it's interesting to watch everyone come up with plans and see what they may be holding back.

[Dust]

By the way... If we assume that Fragos' claim is true, then Ubernox seems like a safe lynch if Grim confirms Rocshi as mason.

It seems unlikely that he got framed. Goremancer is more likely to be framed because he was almost lynched day 3.

That's my thought now that you brought up the random citizen issue. My check on Fragos nearly confirms him as cop for me and your check of me clears me (since it looks like you're insane from what I see of reactions and other claims).

[CmG]

And don´t forget the last neutral who is around. You definetly should add a witch in every of your scenarios . Cya tomorrow! :D

[GriM-DeMoN]

Who do you guys want me to try Recruit.

[Dust]

Who do you guys want me to try Recruit.

either CmG or clementine

[Fragos]

Dust, if you are still here, I would like to hear your opinion about possible hidden Mafia roles.

We know that oranges have a confirmed janitor. The consigliere can be either red or orange. But what about other roles?

[Nick]

I'm back from some personal matters. Sorry for not posting yesterday.

[Goremancer]

By the way... If we assume that Fragos' claim is true, then Ubernox seems like a safe lynch if Grim confirms Rocshi as mason.

It seems unlikely that he got framed. Goremancer is more likely to be framed because he was almost lynched day 3.

Droppin in!

Idk either we got framed or Fragos is insane bro. INSANE!!!!!

BUT YEAH. UBERNOX IS LURKING HARD.
SO I'M GOING BACK TO LURKING HARD.
BTW DUST AREN'T YOU TRYING TOO HARD TO PIN PEOPLE DOWN AS SCUM? (ASS CUM) WE FIND YOU SUSPICIOUS!!!

[Rihfok]

Well, now we will have to wait for Nick to say what he thinks about the situation.
As well as my investigation results.

[clementine]

GriM please mason me instead of Bork Bot!

[clementine]

Also Nick, there have been allegations that you might be janitor. What do you have to say about this?

[GriM-DeMoN]

Fine Ill Mason u then

This is who I think Mafia is

Godfather- BorkBot
Hidden
Dirty Sleuth

Janitor-Nick
Consigliere
Consort - Blazer

[Blazer]

Fine Ill Mason u then

This is who I think Mafia is

Godfather- BorkBot
Hidden
Dirty Sleuth

Janitor-Nick
Consigliere
Consort - Blazer

oookkk....yes. I am totally the consort....totally...cuz im total scum...and people have been roleblocked....totally.......

[Nick]

I'm still reading...

[Nick]

Even Fragos claimed Cop? What is this?

[Fragos]

What do you claim yourself Nick? Rihfok says that he is investigator and you are coroner/janitor.

[Nick]

Wow. This certainly brings a new low to metagame. Accuse someone when they specifically said that they will be away earlier.


Talking about sick. I will be AFK from Friday onwards. If not AFK, zero contribution. I'll try to log in once a day though.

I'm the Cop. I checked the new players because I don't have reads on them.
N1: Phyr - not suspicious (just a fail plan)
N2: Frostbyte - not suspicious (Borkbot not Cop/Investigator)
N3: Rihfok - suspicious (not helping town)
And Fragos is not the Investigator?

Current voting status. Either 8town-6mafia-1neutral if Phyr is town or 9town-6mafia. Or 9town-5mafia-1neut. Might be lynch or lose today because town will lose majority tomorrow.

Someone needs to check the voting patterns and claim timings. From what I see, on Day3, pressure votes:
Borkbot on Frostbyte
Rihfok bandwagons, on me but never on Dust???
Nick on everyone
Dust on clementine

Today, Day4:
Masons on Blazer
Dust tried changing it to clementine/CmG
Rihfok tried changing it to Dust/Borkbot/Nick
Borkbot tried pushing it to Nick
Nick deflects it back to Rihfok/Borkbot

If I'm Cop, Phyr and Frostbyte are town. We are in trouble. If I'm the Insane Cop, we still have a chance to mislynch. But I think that I'm more likely to be the Cop. Phyr seemed town on Day3. Might be Kromosing though. Never underestimate newbies.

Next posts:
1) Accusation by Rihfok and Borkbot
2) Fragos claiming Cop and Dust claiming Investigator

[Nick]

Borkbot - Insane Cop
Lying. And trying to buddy with Dust. Clearly faking Executioner when pressuring Frostbyte, hoping to make him let slip his role. And refuse to help town with scum hunting. And give false information - roleblocked. But I can't explain the missing kills. And why is he not dead? Where is the vigilante. I've told you to shoot him already. Highly likely to be the jester.

Rihfok - Investigator
All people checked are bad. Didn't reveal on D3 although he claims that he found the consigliere on N2. Choose to reveal only when Blazer is going to get lynched. I suspect he is lying. And he is no nub. Check out the other two S-FM. By the way, there is unlikely to be a consort. Masons have yet to be roleblocked.

[Nick]

Dust - Investigator
Didn't try to lead as usual if he is citizen. A bit too passive. Then again, he trolled when he was jailor. Not sure of him because his results did not overlap with mine. Tried some pro-town strategy in D3 which was refused by masons.

Fragos
Has been saying there are 2 cops since early game. Voting Ubernox the Cop claimer. Might be the Cop? Like Dust, not much investigation overlaps for confirmation.

Nick - Cop/Insane Cop
Botkbot is not likely to be Cop/Insane Cop. Rihfok's investigation on me is wrong on N3. But I got suspicious on Rihfok. Unlikely both of us framed. Unless I'm Insane Cop and I'm framed.

[Fragos]

The problem with your claim Nick is that no one is going to believe it until either you or Rihfok die. Chances are that you probably the Janitor that Rihfok checked. You just came with NS/NS/Mafia pattern - the same pattern that BorkBot was using.

[Nick]

I agree. After either Rihfok or I dies. I wanna lynch Borkbot but I fear Jester. And apparently we don't have a Vigilante.

[Nick]

As for Phyr, I refuse to believe he is mafia.
From his fearless play, maybe some citizen if he is town?
If he is a neutral, maybe Executioner/Survivor. But I'm not too sure about his targets. He didn't seem to have any. Most likely Survivor?

[Nick]

Scum list. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For Nick
1) Borkbot
2) Rihfok
3) Blazer

For Borkbot
1) Nick
2) clementine

For Rihfok
1) Dust
2) Nick

For Fragos
1) Ubernox
2) Goremancer

[Rihfok]

Rihfok - Investigator. I suspect he is lying. And he is no nub. Check out the other two S-FM.

I AM new, and I DO find these difficult.
I won in GY because the other members where guiding. Was lucky.
In DN I was just completely lucky somehow sliping through everybody.

In the end, I'm confused, but I think I will stay with my accusations.

[Rihfok]

Scum list. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For Rihfok
1) Dust
2) Nick

And BorkBot. I still believe he may be the Godfather pro-playing.

[clementine]

Here is my updated list of what I think the roles are:

Godfather - CmG
Actress - BorkBot
Hidden Mafia Role -

Consigliere - Dust
Janitor - Nick
Hidden Mafia Role (potential consort)- (Potentially Blazer)
Possibly witch that is controlling consort

I believe Dust is invest/consig. I believe he is out to lynch a potential godfather in a oj mafia leaning way rather than town. I am not sure. I am less convinced he is consig than I was 24h ago.
I believe Rihfok is not lying. However, we know either Nick or Rihfok is lying. Honestly, I believe BorkBot was investigated by Rihfok and is actress and tonight will act as cop by visiting Fragos and appear as cop in the grave.

1 Journalist Interview
2 Put on vest
3 Veteran goes on alert
4 Witching
5 Blocking
6 Lookout/Detective (Can see blocks/witching, but can also be affected by those actions)
7 Jester Visitation
8 Actress chooses role to act as
9 Give Guns/Armour
10 Framing
11 Mason recruit
12 Cop / Insane Cop / Investigator / Consigliere / Coroner / Sleuth / Dirty Sleuth
13 Drug Dealer
14 Blackmailer
15 Journalist publishes article
16 Bodyguard (+1 to life bar)
17 Kills (-1 to life bar)
18 Heals (+1 to life bar)
19 Janitor Cleans / Lawyer changes last will

To me, it seems highly unlikely that there is a fabricator, but I can't find any other way to explain the missing Preservers kill N2. Unless there is a witch that self-targeted godfather. I can't see why the witch would run around self-targeting people though.

I believe there is a consort/escort because there was no journal article this morning and at this point I believe Phyr was journalist and was role blocked. It doesn't make sense to me that consort would rb their kill target, and it doesn't make sense to me that Phyr wouldn't publish. We will know if Phyr was journalist tomorrow, but maybe there is a consort/escort who blocked Preserver kill N2 and blocked journalist publish N3. I'm leaning toward escort at the moment, and that person will know the role of one of the Preserver mafia members which is vital information that should be shared. Note: If there is a witch who witched mafia consort onto their kill target, I believe there would exist both a witch and consort. It is too early to tell right now I think.

In any case, I believe investigator claims are harder to fake than cop claims (esp. with insane cops), so I tend to believe Rihfok and Dust's info for now. I am not going to address those for now.

I believe our best bet is to lynch Nick to either prove or disprove Rihfok's invest/consig claim and work from there. If Rihfok is lying, then I have to rethink a lot of the conclusions I have made (about BorkBot and Nick).

[Nick]

Umm... there is no time to rethink if we lynch wrongly. Lynch wrongly and we will need mafia's cooperation to lynch.

[clementine]

Note about Rihfok:

-It doesn't make sense for Rihfok to be orange mafia IF Nick is Janitor OR if Dust is Consig. because Rihfok is implicating them. Nick/Dust vs. Rihfok
-> since I think Dust could be consig that somewhat makes me think Rihfok not oj mafia.
-It doesn't make sense for Rihfok to be red mafia IF BorkBot is actress. However, Rihfok could be red mafia if BorkBot is indeed cop. In which case Dust is Consig and Nick and I are town, fitting with everyone's stories.

Thus, here is another possible mafia role list:

Godfather - CmG
Hidden Mafia - Rihfok
Hidden Mafia -

Consort -
Janitor -
Consigliere - Dust
Witch


BorkBot - Sane Cop
Nick - Sane Cop

This is also a viable situation if you consider Rihfok's report to be complete rubbish.
If Fragos is also cop.... Then Ubernox and Goremancer fill out some of the mafia roles.

[Nick]

You forgot about Fragos. I prefer to trust Fragos than Borkbot. Claiming early does not mean more trustable. And Rihfok can also be in the same team with Blazer or Borkbot.

[clementine]

Nick, why do you think BorkBot is not trustable? Can you clarify this?

[clementine]

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Creedkingx/Deathfire stealth claimed journalist or coroner by saying that their role protected the passage of information. If he is not journalist (i.e. if Phyr was), then perhaps Deathfire might be a potential janitor candidate IF Nick is town.

I want to pressure Deathfire123 to state what creedkingx meant that "his role protects the passage of information" (Day 2, post 68)

[clementine]

If Rifok found Dust to be invest/consig on N2, when I claimed invest on D2, why didn't Rihfok say something?

If we believe the majority of everyone's role claims (Except Rihfok, whose can't be reconciled with the majority)

Godfather (Anders Westrum) - CmG
Hidden Mafia Role - Rihfok
Hidden Mafia Role – Blazer/Goremancer/Kony


Hidden Mafia Role Janitor – Deathfire123
Hidden Mafia Role Consort – Blazer/Goremancer/Kony
Hidden Mafia Role (maybe framer if there is no consigliere)- Blazer/Goremancer/Kony


Hidden Neutral Role (Witch) – Ubernox


Cop – BorkBot
Investigator – Dust
Hidden Town Role (Mason) – Grim
Hidden Town Role (Cop) – Nick
Hidden Town Role – (Cop) - Fragos
Hidden Town Role – Frostbyte
Citizen - Clementine
Citizen - Rocshi


Obviously there are some problems with this such as Borkbot's results being problematic, but they can be explained if there is a Framer on Dust N1.

GAAAH I don't know what to believe.

[Rihfok]

I didn't say anything about clementine yesterday because I was confused and actually believed at that moment that town has investigators.
I was investigative, Dust was investigative role, then you claim? I was confused.
There isn't much left to discuss, we must lynch either me or Nick.
Then it wil be proven who is lying and who is not.
-vote Nick
You will have to choose now, there isn't much left of the day.

[clementine]

I want to:
1. Ask Deathfire123 about creedkingx saying "my role protects passage of information"
2. Ask Nick/Fragos/BorkBot if they believe there could be 3 cops.
3. Lynch someone today. I would be down to lynch: Goremancer, Kony, Deathfire123 (pending what he says), Blazer, or Ubernox as "safe" lynches because with any of them, we don't get rid of any useful people/roles.

vote Deathfire123 <- for pressure. I will check back later and switch my vote if necessary to try to help lynch someone.


Deathfire123 (1) : clementine
Blazer (2) : Deathfire123, Ubernox,
clementine (2) : Dust, Rocshi,
Nick (4) : Blazer, BorkBot, Rihfok, GriM-DeMoN

[Fragos]

I'm more worried about what will happen on Night 4. If Phyr was doctor then there will be noone to protect me this night. Both red and orange mafia will probably attack me next, since (apparently) I am the only normal person around.

3 cops? No way! I don't even believe that there are 2 cops. It is possible that both BorkBot and Nick are lying - one is red mafia, another is orange. Then again, there can be a hidden jester/executioner in this setup and they are trolling us to confuse even further.

[Fragos]

I'm more afraid of janitor, so I am voting Nick today in case that he is janitor.

-vote Nick

[clementine]

Ok I have done more thinking.

I have another question: If Nick is cop then why would he know Dust is invest/consig yesterday when he was "trolling" and called Dust out on being invest and then said doc on Dust. It wasn't at all obvious to me... Was it obvious to other veterans that Dust was an investigative role?

I'm down to vote Nick before the day ends. Can we just wait until Deathfire123 clarifies the thing about "my role protects passage of information" said by creedkingx before we hammer?

Also, by my count, these players need to make more posts before the day ends or they will be modkilled (less than 4 posts) - U guys should talk more!!!:
-Deathfire123 (2)
-FrostByte (3)
-Goremancer (2)
-Kony (1)
-Rocshi (3)
-Ubernox (2)


Deathfire123 (1) : clementine
Blazer (2) : Deathfire123, Ubernox,
clementine (2) : Dust, Rocshi,
Nick (5) : Blazer, BorkBot, Rihfok, GriM-DeMoN, Fragos

[Dust]

Ok I have done more thinking.

I have another question: If Nick is cop then why would he know Dust is invest/consig yesterday when he was "trolling" and called Dust out on being invest and then said doc on Dust. It wasn't at all obvious to me... Was it obvious to other veterans that Dust was an investigative role?

I have my own thoughts on this but I want to know whether it was obvious or not. If it was, I'm ego hurt.

[Ubernox]

I am a citizen.

Scum list: BorkBot, Clementine, Blazer.

[Fragos]

You are not citizen. Rocshi claimed citizen earlier. Which means that either you lie or Rocshi lies. Nove vote Nick before I change my mind and pull out a lynch train on you - I'm sure you are probably red mafia.

[Dust]

You are not citizen. Rocshi claimed citizen earlier. Which means that either you lie or Rocshi lies. Nove vote Nick before I change my mind and pull out a lynch train on you - I'm sure you are probably red mafia.

The reason I believe Rocshi is no longer a citizen but a mason is because he confirmed that he was on the same team as Sumikoko when he neither confirmed nor denied being recruited. If he wasn't recruited he would have just straight up denied it.

I've said this a few times already...

[Ubernox]

Rocshi lies.

[Dust]

I have my own thoughts on this but I want to know whether it was obvious or not. If it was, I'm ego hurt.

Since I'll be gone I'll tell you my thoughts.

Rihfok is likely the consigliere and since he claimed to have checked me he would have put down some code or something to let his teammates know the result. Nick could have seen that result and let it slip.

Or I could be obvious investigator. I don't know.

[Dust]

Last post of the day:

-vote Nick

Because it makes the most sense if he's scum (basically every other post of mine says why it makes sense)

[Ubernox]

The fact that Fragos believes Rocshi so much is suspicious to me. I think it's plainly obvious that I'm a (fail) citizen, although it's hard for me to prove that. Only I know that I am the citizen, and I know this beyond doubt - I guess that's the catch. How can I possibly prove this?

If there's only one citizen left, it's me. Rocshi is probably a Godfather or something.

-vote Rocshi

My only hope is the one of the Mafias kills me tonight so that I can fulfill my duty and take a bullet for the town.