S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II

[MartinGG99]

Politico II
S-FM 336

Setup Link (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45894-S-FM-Politico-II-(12P))

Signup Link (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/49427-S-FM-336*-(Ladder)-Politico-II-12P)
(for additional game information by me)

Player List


Host ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=21928&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Player
Role (Phase)


ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=29377&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Marshmallow Marshall



ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=45969&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
NotPaopan



ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=11411&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Lag



ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=45931&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Gikkle



ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=27307&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Loldebite
Voter (N2)


ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=12998&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
PQRnHack



ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=45982&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
oliverz144



ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=34329&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Frinckles
Voter (D1)


ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=6527&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Voss
States Attorney (D2)


ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=46017&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Guillo
Voter (N1)


ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=30852&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Renegade



ISO (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=15807&searchthreadid=49469&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1)
Stealthbomber16





EoD Links
EoD 1 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/49469-S-FM-336-(Ladder)-Politico-II?p=950925&viewfull=1#post950925)
EoD 2 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/49469-S-FM-336-(Ladder)-Politico-II?p=951854&viewfull=1#post951854)


SoD1 Countdown Link (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20211212T16&p0=419&msg=Politico+II+Countdown&font=sanserif&csz=1)



Something-something a thing to allow fake-claims (without threat of angle-shooting) if that ever happens, as I used different wording in the PMs.




You have access to an anonymous chat with two other congressmen!

You won't receive the Anonymous Chatzy chat link until SoD1.



You may pardon someone each night. A pardoned player cannot be yeeted the next day. You can't target the same player twice in a row, nor can you self-target. This is announced at the start of day.



Each night you may target a player, making their vote count for 0 the next day. This is announced at the start of the day.



https://c.tenor.com/GCpJBUm3YBQAAAAC/umm-confused.gif
You're fake-claiming what now?



You may target someone at night, placing an anonymous vote on them. This will be announced on the next day, and cannot be changed until the next night. You may self-target and target the same person in a row.



You may protect someone each night. You may self-target. If you successfully save someone, you cannot do so again. If you do, you are informed but your target is not (unless you are the target).



You have no special abilities.

[MartinGG99]

Start of Day 1


Day 1 ends in about 48 hours from now.
Countdown Link (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20211214T16&p0=419&msg=End+of+Day+1+In&font=sanserif&csz=1)

7
30852,2

[PQRnHack]

Alright, time to sweep it. I promise there will be no voter fraud!
Renegade

[MartinGG99]

I forgot to add in mentions. Day 1 has begun!


Marshmallow Marshall
NotPaopan
Lag
Gikkle
Loldebite
PQRnHack
oliverz144
Frinckles
Voss
Guillo
Renegade
Stealthbomber16

[Lumi]

Hello everyone, I am the real mayor, Renegade is an imposter Mayor.

This is my rolecard as proof:


https://c.tenor.com/GCpJBUm3YBQAAAAC/umm-confused.gif
You're fake-claiming what now?


Check the OP and you'll see I have the right rolecard

Renegade

[PQRnHack]

Hello everyone, I am the real mayor, Renegade is an imposter Mayor.

This is my rolecard as proof:


https://c.tenor.com/GCpJBUm3YBQAAAAC/umm-confused.gif
You're fake-claiming what now?


Check the OP and you'll see I have the right rolecard

Renegade

Weak!

https://i.imgur.com/S5bP5VT.png

[Lumi]

Weak!

https://i.imgur.com/S5bP5VT.png

No! It can't be! The entire mafia team been caught in just 3 posts by the mastermind FM player PQHack?!?

I can't believe it! This is truly another level of FM play, a true generational talent.

[Renegade]

Hello everyone, I am the real mayor, Renegade is an imposter Mayor.

This is my rolecard as proof:


https://c.tenor.com/GCpJBUm3YBQAAAAC/umm-confused.gif
You're fake-claiming what now?


Check the OP and you'll see I have the right rolecard

Renegade

FUCK i've been outed.

[Lumi]

Renegade just changed his profile picture, this is obviously extremely alignment indicative.

I'm not going to say if it's town indicative or mafia indicative, because it's so obvious that it should go without saying, but everyone knows what Renegade is now.

[Renegade]

I've not even reached my final form.

[PQRnHack]

Renegade just changed his profile picture, this is obviously extremely alignment indicative.

I'm not going to say if it's town indicative or mafia indicative, because it's so obvious that it should go without saying, but everyone knows what Renegade is now.

The mastermind used his pig brain to figure this out.

https://i.imgur.com/h0vhHM3.png

Extra attack power from the factional kill ability!!

[Stealthbomber16]

I CC mayo

[Stealthbomber16]

My contribution today will likely be spotty at best but I'll try to make all of my posts (following this one) quality posts at the very least.

[PQRnHack]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and hypothesize that there are 3 corruptors here, thinking 2 PRs and 1 Congman/Voter (Cong kinda makes more sense for a scum 3rd wo/man). Town then has 3 PRs.

[oliverz144]

lag
I meta know lag as well as my pocket
This 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play
This is not rvs
Town lag would already come up with a plan
Now i need to jump in, gimme some time.
We have 2-3 scum
1 of them is lag.

[oliverz144]

I think that claiming who is congressman is very towny
Only scum will say no
So i think that every congressman should claim immediately

[oliverz144]

Sa, judge, governor should claim aswell
Only medic and voter shouldnt claim

[Lumi]

lag
I meta know lag as well as my pocket
This 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play
This is not rvs
Town lag would already come up with a plan
Now i need to jump in, gimme some time.
We have 2-3 scum
1 of them is lag.

It's funny that you think the posts I've made thus far have been alignment indicative.


I also don't think oliver is able to pull off a post like this as wolf, I think this is the fastest >>rand town read I've ever had

[Voss]

I hate RVS and would rather talk strategy. I guess I'll reread the setup, since I just skimmed it.

Also a couple of things:
First, don't burn yourself out and/or have unrealistic expectations for people's contributions. There's a difference between a lurking scum, and someone who is making good posts, but not talking a lot. So when you are frustrated with the lack of contribution at 3am PST, get a grip, and reread/summarize the game instead of asking "wHeRe Is EvErYoNe? DeAd GaMe!!!!". It'll help you, and help those not able to spend 25/8 on the forums.

Second, since we're playing with the ARCANE early hammer system, I will refuse to vote until end of game. You can assume that whoever I put first in my "vote order bird vote" list is the person I'd vote for. Don't like it? Vote me, petition the host to change it, or bite me.

Gotta say I like oliverz here on the Lag meta read.

[Voss]

Oh, ren is actually the mayor. Missed that with the trolling.

Governor, states attorney, and judge aren’t really worth commenting right now bc they haven’t had time to do an action.

This is something I'd like to discuss though:
I don’t see why congresspeople should ever talk in the day/night chat. Scum will only use it to figure out who not to kill.

[NotPaopan]

It is I, the town leader of this town.
You can call me Mr. Chairman
I shall and will give town the salvation it needed!

We must learn to look at problems all-sidedly, seeing the reverse as well as the obverse side of things.
In given conditions, a bad thing can lead to good results and a good thing to bad results.

[NotPaopan]

New things always have to experience difficulties and setbacks as they grow.

It is sheer fantasy to imagine that the cause of socialism is all plain sailing and easy success, without difficulties and setbacks or the exertion of tremendous efforts.

[PQRnHack]

You can call me Mr. Chairman

Here comes Pao, planting an Easter Egg in his first post. RED IS ALWAYS MAFIA!

[PQRnHack]

I think that claiming who is congressman is very towny
Only scum will say no
So i think that every congressman should claim immediately

Why would a scum~congressman say "no" if the opposite makes them "very towny"?

Or even if scum have 0 CMEN, doesn't it help them narrow down the remaining pool to PRs and Voters (making mafia's PR hunt easier than out of the pool of PR+Voters+CMEN)?

[PQRnHack]

New things always have to experience difficulties and setbacks as they grow.

It is sheer fantasy to imagine that the cause of socialism is all plain sailing and easy success, without difficulties and setbacks or the exertion of tremendous efforts.


Pao Zedong detected!!! Corrupted impostor amogus!!

[NotPaopan]

Here comes Pao, planting an Easter Egg in his first post. RED IS ALWAYS MAFIA!

Stop scum painting me!

The colour red is a fiery symbol that interprets happiness, beauty, vitality, good luck, success and good fortune!!

[Stealthbomber16]

Oh, ren is actually the mayor. Missed that with the trolling.

Governor, states attorney, and judge aren’t really worth commenting right now bc they haven’t had time to do an action.

This is something I'd like to discuss though:
I don’t see why congresspeople should ever talk in the day/night chat. Scum will only use it to figure out who not to kill.

This is actually kind of interesting.

I would assume always that the host would put one scum congressman in the chat. I think that any host would do that. So if you approach the chat as though it's like a final 3 scenario, ie, there is one imposter among us, I don't see why it would be a bad thing. Creating further information disadvantage for town is never something that benefits the town.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I think that claiming who is congressman is very towny
Only scum will say no
So i think that every congressman should claim immediately
Yeah, considering any scum within congressmen will be able to share the knowledge with his scummates, this could make sense. It's not like there is a real benefit to remaining hidden anyway, at least none that I can see.

Sa, judge, governor should claim aswell
Only medic and voter shouldnt claim

Uh, no? Why in the world would you want the PRs to claim lol, they're just going to get gunned down. The medic only has one successful save charge. The setup was designed not to be solvable via massclaim (and to even punish it). So no, absolutely not.

I like the meta point against Lag, though. I'm not sold about it yet obviously, but it certainly is a great way to start the game. Plus, Lag is always super towny, so I get the chance to vote them for once :D Lag

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I hate RVS and would rather talk strategy. I guess I'll reread the setup, since I just skimmed it.

Also a couple of things:
First, don't burn yourself out and/or have unrealistic expectations for people's contributions. There's a difference between a lurking scum, and someone who is making good posts, but not talking a lot. So when you are frustrated with the lack of contribution at 3am PST, get a grip, and reread/summarize the game instead of asking "wHeRe Is EvErYoNe? DeAd GaMe!!!!". It'll help you, and help those not able to spend 25/8 on the forums.

Second, since we're playing with the ARCANE early hammer system, I will refuse to vote until end of game. You can assume that whoever I put first in my "vote order bird vote" list is the person I'd vote for. Don't like it? Vote me, petition the host to change it, or bite me.

Gotta say I like oliverz here on the Lag meta read.

Refusing to use the tool to put pressure on people and generate information that way is a little dumb, tbh. I will go with the option "biting you", since this is not AI, it's just sad and suboptimal.

Also, WHERE IS EVERYONE?!! : ]

[Marshmallow Marshall]

It is I, the town leader of this town.
You can call me Mr. Chairman
I shall and will give town the salvation it needed!

We must learn to look at problems all-sidedly, seeing the reverse as well as the obverse side of things.
In given conditions, a bad thing can lead to good results and a good thing to bad results.

I almost want to say that you're towny by meta for this, considering your last game as Mayor in Once Upon a Town in the West. But seriously, please drop it. I was scum, and I can say you were a blessing for us because you distracted everyone. Please integrate thoughtful content in your posts. Else, you will be deemed lazy and antipatriotic, and will thus be sent to the nearest gulag. Thank you.

[Frinckles]

hi

[Lumi]

Yeah, considering any scum within congressmen will be able to share the knowledge with his scummates, this could make sense. It's not like there is a real benefit to remaining hidden anyway, at least none that I can see.


Uh, no? Why in the world would you want the PRs to claim lol, they're just going to get gunned down. The medic only has one successful save charge. The setup was designed not to be solvable via massclaim (and to even punish it). So no, absolutely not.

I like the meta point against Lag, though. I'm not sold about it yet obviously, but it certainly is a great way to start the game. Plus, Lag is always super towny, so I get the chance to vote them for once :D Lag

This vote pings me.

It's one thing to see oliver making a read like that and realizing there is almost no way he makes a post like that as wolf, therefore you think oliver is town.

It's another thing to see the post and actually agree with it, because the accuracy of the read is quite bad. I can link several games directly contradicting the meta read - and considering that you were in multiple of those games, the fact that you go along with a meta read that you should know is just wrong is dubious.

But the real kicker is the hedgy "not sold about it yet" - it's RVS, you can vote whatever, feeling like you have to justify/hedge a vote made not even 25 (player) posts into the game feels like a wolf that's trying to not step on toes here.

[Lumi]

hi

Hi Frinckles

[Guillo]

I hate RVS and would rather talk strategy. I guess I'll reread the setup, since I just skimmed it.

Also a couple of things:
First, don't burn yourself out and/or have unrealistic expectations for people's contributions. There's a difference between a lurking scum, and someone who is making good posts, but not talking a lot. So when you are frustrated with the lack of contribution at 3am PST, get a grip, and reread/summarize the game instead of asking "wHeRe Is EvErYoNe? DeAd GaMe!!!!". It'll help you, and help those not able to spend 25/8 on the forums.

Second, since we're playing with the ARCANE early hammer system, I will refuse to vote until end of game. You can assume that whoever I put first in my "vote order bird vote" list is the person I'd vote for. Don't like it? Vote me, petition the host to change it, or bite me.

Gotta say I like oliverz here on the Lag meta read.

This player is scum

[Guillo]

How do i multiquote here. Oliver claiming strat stinks.

I think the medic should claim.

I’m the medic.

[Guillo]

Voss trying to pocket Oliverz with an echo of their own read “i agree” is cute.

Voss, what do you like about Oliverz read onnLag?

[Lumi]

I'm inclined to agree with oliver on the power roles claiming - but it just comes down to people's opinions on mafia philosophy, and ultimately probably doesn't matter that much whether mass claiming is done now or later. Later is probably just better though.

The reason I agree with oliver in that mass claiming should be done at some point is that none of the power roles other than medic actually have inherently pro-town abilities.

Pardon someone from the chop? How is that pro-town? If pardoning someone is in town's interest, then town can just... not vote them? The pardon can only be used to go against the majority's wishes.

Making someone's vote count for 0? How is that pro-town? Even if there's a player that is an outed wolf, you can just ignore their vote. The fringe scenarios where a hidden judge can clutch and stop wolves from having
as many votes as town in like a 2v2 setting is offset by a wolf judge (or even a town judge) torpedoing town in a 3v2 scenario to make it 2v2 instead.

States Attorney + Mayor are effectively the same when it comes down to it - double vote power isn't pro-town, it's just better for the slot that has the double vote power, and we just hope those slots are town.



But I already know that there are players that will hard disagree with this, and unlike the Bisected Souls game - the benefit of an early mass claim is dubious, speculative, and not worth derailing the thread

[Lumi]

Oliver claiming strat stinks.

Hey, exactly the player I was expecting to say the claiming strat stinks.



How do i multiquote here.

Next to the "Reply with Quote" button there's a little Quote with a + next to it button. Click that button for all the posts you want to multiquote, and then click "Reply with Quote" on a post after you've selected all posts you want to include as well, and all the quotes will be included

[Marshmallow Marshall]

"It's RVS"


lag
I meta know lag as well as my pocket
This 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play
This is not rvs
Town lag would already come up with a plan
Now i need to jump in, gimme some time.
We have 2-3 scum
1 of them is lag.

No, we just kinda skipped RVS thanks to Oliver :P. It's a D1 read, but it is based on something reasonable. So stating how I position myself towards Oliver's read is perfectly legitimate.

Hi guillo. That's a nice statement you have here. Why is Lag scum in your opinion?

[Guillo]

I forgot everything about the set up of this game but it looks like politicians here suck as much as their real life counterparts for what i just read from Lag, so what if we just play it old school and stop worrying about mechanics and just catch scum on behavior? Yah?

Cool

[Guillo]

I didnt say Lag was scum, i said Voss is

[Lumi]

"It's RVS"



No, we just kinda skipped RVS thanks to Oliver :P. It's a D1 read, but it is based on something reasonable. So stating how I position myself towards Oliver's read is perfectly legitimate.

Hi guillo. That's a nice statement you have here. Why is Lag scum in your opinion?

Just because someone says we're not in RVS, doesn't mean we're not in RVS.

And like, no offense to oliver, but that is especially true when it's a new player making a read that's just totally wrong, pairing that with a statement of "we're not in RVS" doesn't mean anything, you of all people should know that. Also why did you just ignore all of my other points?

And are you claiming that you actually agree with oliver's read for the reasons he stated?

[PQRnHack]

I didnt say Lag was scum, i said Voss is

Hmm.. MM mixing up whom Guillo was replying to. Mixing up the TvT's that aren't on your team Marshmallow Marshall?

[Lumi]

meta tell: Guillo is >rand town

Guillo probably knows why

No, I won't reveal the tell.

[PQRnHack]

meta tell: Guillo is >rand town

Guillo probably knows why

No, I won't reveal the tell.

Not the first time someone faked a PR claim

[Frinckles]

Hi Frinckles

Hay Lag. I see you're already dealing with a bunch of analysis so I'll just sit back on this one.

I made a pizza. But I put some diced green onions on it. It was pretty good. I'm surprised more people haven't done that, like yeah white onion is a thing, NEVER red onion. Even chives, which I think is related to green onion and the leek family? But nobody ever says GREEN onion.

[Frinckles]

SHARK KING IS SHARK

[Voss]

Voss trying to pocket Oliverz with an echo of their own read “i agree” is cute.

Voss, what do you like about Oliverz read onnLag?

You don't know me, but that's okay. I like you because of it.

I liked Oliverz jumping straight into a meta read on Lag. I've talked with lag a bunch, but never played with him, so he's a scary "pro player" in my book. Oliverz seems to have some experience, and I'm glad they shared it, and would agree. Slightly trolling Lag is not my expectation here.

Also, it doesn't look like it, but my 1/3 congressperson idea came up independently. I missed critical things on the first read of the day and blame sleep deprivation. I townread oliverz though for the read on Lag, and not for saying 1/3 congresspeople are evil.

I also read more of your posts past this quote, and I think I will enjoy playing with you :)


Refusing to use the tool to put pressure on people and generate information that way is a little dumb, tbh. I will go with the option "biting you", since this is not AI, it's just sad and suboptimal.

Also, WHERE IS EVERYONE?!! : ]

I mean, if someone is at L-1 and I'm sure they're scum, I'll vote them. But I don't want scum to be able to do this.


This is actually kind of interesting.

I would assume always that the host would put one scum congressman in the chat. I think that any host would do that. So if you approach the chat as though it's like a final 3 scenario, ie, there is one imposter among us, I don't see why it would be a bad thing. Creating further information disadvantage for town is never something that benefits the town.

Let me expand on this a little bit.

Assuming an evil congressperson can figure out who the other congresspeople are through diction, post timing, etc, the scum team knowing who the other congresspeople are benefits scum. Scum would then just not kill or pressure these people, and up their chances of winning by killing non CCable PRs.

I'm not sure how this is information disadvantage, and i'd never advocate for something that I believe is anti-town.

Like, my other assumption here is that it's not advantageous for town to do a D1 mass role claim. This is because we don't want scum killing the better TPRs, and would rather wait a few days for TPRs to out and justify their night actions. Right?

[Voss]

I forgot everything about the set up of this game but it looks like politicians here suck as much as their real life counterparts for what i just read from Lag, so what if we just play it old school and stop worrying about mechanics and just catch scum on behavior? Yah?

Cool

I'd really like to make sure the other congresspeople don't use their chat as it only helps scum, so mechanics are important to me here. And I don't want to type this into the congressperson chat because then the other congresspeople will know I'm a congressperson.

[Gikkle]

I somehow forgot this started today, and now I've missed RVS...

Well whatever I'm still gonna random vote

Frinckles

clearly scum

[Gikkle]

I think that claiming who is congressman is very towny
Only scum will say no
So i think that every congressman should claim immediately

What is the logic behind this

[Gikkle]

Let me expand on this a little bit.

Assuming an evil congressperson can figure out who the other congresspeople are through diction, post timing, etc, the scum team knowing who the other congresspeople are benefits scum.



With Lag here, this is all too possible lol

[Frinckles]

I somehow forgot this started today, and now I've missed RVS...

Well whatever I'm still gonna random vote

Frinckles

clearly scum

I dont have the energy to fight for my suffrage right now, but after I get a good night's rest, some breakfast, a morning cigarette, check my social media feed, feed the household pets, feed the outside household pets, clean the kitchen, finish apply for a winter minimester and shower,

I will fucking bury you Gikkle.

[Frinckles]

SHARK KING IS SHARK

[Frinckles]

KING SHARK IS A SHARK

[NotPaopan]

I almost want to say that you're towny by meta for this, considering your last game as Mayor in Once Upon a Town in the West. But seriously, please drop it. I was scum, and I can say you were a blessing for us because you distracted everyone. Please integrate thoughtful content in your posts. Else, you will be deemed lazy and antipatriotic, and will thus be sent to the nearest gulag. Thank you.

敌 人 不 会 自 己 灭 亡 中 国 反 动 派 和 美 帝 国 主 义 在 中 国 的 侵 略 势 力 都 不 会 自 动 退 出 历 史 舞 台!! :mad::mad:


How do i multi-quote here. Oliver claiming strat stinks.

I think the medic should claim.

I’m the medic.
你 好 混 蛋！我 是 真 正 的 医 生


I somehow forgot this started today, and now I've missed RVS...

Well whatever I'm still gonna random vote

Frinckles

clearly scum
Gikkle

KING SHARK IS A SHARK
已 确 认 的 城 镇

[NotPaopan]

China's Congress has passed a constitutional amendment that removes presidential term limits,
allowing Pao Zedong to remain in office indefinitely and confirming his status as the country's most powerful leader!

We must unite and lead the Chinese people in working ceaselessly for a better life. This country is its people; the people are the country. As we have fought to establish and consolidate our leadership over the country, we have in fact been fighting to earn and keep the people's support. The Party has in the people its roots, its lifeblood, and its source of strength.

Let's find some capitalistic bastard like the CEO of Kelloggs or Jeff Bezos!! Disaster strikes upon us whilst he enjoys under the Blue Origin! :sad::sad:

[NotPaopan]

On the other hand, I'm very tired.
Ciao for now.

[Frinckles]

I'd be guilty of codeswitching hangul in the past but I have no desire to run that shit through a translator.

[Frinckles]

On the other hand, KING SHARK IS A SHARK
RVS SHARK FINDS SCUM TOMORROW

[Frinckles]

Pao Zedong is pretty funny though ngl

[Frinckles]

mars aint the kind of place to raise your kids

[Lumi]

With Lag here, this is all too possible lol

Lol, I have to say, that game was one of the most entertaining FM games I've ever played.

[Lumi]

敌 人 不 会 自 己 灭 亡 中 国 反 动 派 和 美 帝 国 主 义 在 中 国 的 侵 略 势 力 都 不 会 自 动 退 出 历 史 舞 台!! :mad::mad:


你 好 混 蛋！我 是 真 正 的 医 生


Gikkle

已 确 认 的 城 镇

FM rules require all posts to be in English, sorry Pao Zedong

[NotPaopan]

FM rules require all posts to be in English, sorry Pao Zedong

Okay, sorry! Pocket accepted. I have hired a translator and can now speak proper English with the certainty shown below.

*ehem*

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked.
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?

[oliverz144]

Yeah maybe claiming pr isnt good.
but setup speculation is.
0-1 (probably 1) scum in cm
1-2 scum in pr
0-1 (probably 0) scum in voter

[oliverz144]

Hm looking at it again:
50% of pr are probably scum
33% of cm are probably scum.
maybe them claiming is better than thought?

[PQRnHack]

Hay Lag. I see you're already dealing with a bunch of analysis so I'll just sit back on this one.

I made a pizza. But I put some diced green onions on it. It was pretty good. I'm surprised more people haven't done that, like yeah white onion is a thing, NEVER red onion. Even chives, which I think is related to green onion and the leek family? But nobody ever says GREEN onion.

So Frinckles claims to be a GREEN onion and NEVER red onion.

[PQRnHack]

You don't know me, but that's okay. I like you because of it.

I liked Oliverz jumping straight into a meta read on Lag.

That's what we call one bird in the hand, two in the pocket.

[PQRnHack]

I mean, if someone is at L-1 and I'm sure they're scum, I'll vote them. But I don't want scum to be able to do this.


On this topic, what timeframe are you referring to? Every day? D1 only? Earlier days only (before end of "game" - or did you mean "day"?)
"I will refuse to vote until end of game"



Let me expand on this a little bit.

Assuming an evil congressperson can figure out who the other congresspeople are through diction, post timing, etc, the scum team knowing who the other congresspeople are benefits scum. Scum would then just not kill or pressure these people, and up their chances of winning by killing non CCable PRs.

I'm not sure how this is information disadvantage, and i'd never advocate for something that I believe is anti-town.

Like, my other assumption here is that it's not advantageous for town to do a D1 mass role claim. This is because we don't want scum killing the better TPRs, and would rather wait a few days for TPRs to out and justify their night actions. Right?

Solid points here.

[PQRnHack]

With Lag here, this is all too possible lol

Umm hello, Lag is not the only player here.

[PQRnHack]

I dont have the energy to fight for my suffrage right now, but after I get a good night's rest, some breakfast, a morning cigarette, check my social media feed, feed the household pets, feed the outside household pets, clean the kitchen, finish apply for a winter minimester and shower,


Don't forget to add NICshits to your list.

[PQRnHack]

我 是 真 正 的 医 生



已 确 认 的 城 镇

[PQRnHack]

Lol, I have to say, that game was one of the most entertaining FM games I've ever played.

Care to share TLDR version?

[PQRnHack]

FM rules require all posts to be in English, sorry Pao Zedong

Those rules were established by the Corrupt!

[PQRnHack]

Hm looking at it again:
50% of pr are probably scum
33% of cm are probably scum.
maybe them claiming is better than thought?

So lynch all PRs, then lynch all CMEN! Voters win!

[oliverz144]

So lynch all PRs, then lynch all CMEN! Voters win!

yes! Free the voters, the proletariat from the dictatorship of the burgeoise corrupt politics! The judge and the states attorney and the mayor, they all undermine the system of democratic and fair elections! Death to the corrupt capitalists!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I forgot everything about the set up of this game but it looks like politicians here suck as much as their real life counterparts for what i just read from Lag, so what if we just play it old school and stop worrying about mechanics and just catch scum on behavior? Yah?

Cool
More or less, although mechanics are important to worry about when it comes to calculating MYLO since they mess with votes. They will also probably matter tomorrow if/when abilities are used. I really think we should focus on behavioral analysis when possible, though (like right now).

I didnt say Lag was scum, i said Voss is
Oh, my bad. "Lag" was in the last words of his post, and my brain made the switch.

So... why is Voss scum, then? Is it because he blankly agreed with Oliver's read on Lag without further comments?

Hmm.. MM mixing up whom Guillo was replying to. Mixing up the TvT's that aren't on your team Marshmallow Marshall?
You wish :P

Just because someone says we're not in RVS, doesn't mean we're not in RVS.

And like, no offense to oliver, but that is especially true when it's a new player making a read that's just totally wrong, pairing that with a statement of "we're not in RVS" doesn't mean anything, you of all people should know that. Also why did you just ignore all of my other points?

And are you claiming that you actually agree with oliver's read for the reasons he stated?

When somebody gives a reason to vote someone that is not random/trolly and that several people react to it accordingly, RVS ends, whether you like it or not, and the more serious phase begins. Oliver went straight to the point lol.

Yes, I am claiming exactly that, but with an important nuance: as I said, I'm not sold yet - you see, the nuance matters.

Also, I ignored the mechanical part because I was tired and because it was less important ^^. My stance was already stated, too. Are power roles crazy pro-town in this game? No. Are power roles in the hand of town good? Yes. Can scum know who is a town PR? No, unless we literally just tell them and allow them to plan accordingly. Plus, more claims = less cover for the medic. Actions are public in all cases but the medic's, so we're going to ask for specific roles to claim soon enough anyway.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Those rules were established by the Corrupt!


So lynch all PRs, then lynch all CMEN! Voters win!

PQ is acting like a populist scum...

Do you have any serious reads yet? We skipped the shitposting phase already, which is good for town, so it'd be nice if you and Paopan didn't drag us back into it lol. Cultural revolution sucks =P

[PQRnHack]

PQ is acting like a populist scum...

Do you have any serious reads yet? We skipped the shitposting phase already, which is good for town, so it'd be nice if you and Paopan didn't drag us back into it lol. Cultural revolution sucks =P

I have one serious read, PQR is 100% town.

No, I do not have any serious reads at this time, other than some town-lean people. No serious scum reads at this point. Consider also that some people have 2-5 posts, so do you think there is a legit mafia slip in one of them? As i've said many times before, I dislike D1 because it's pretty random. The shitposting is kinda necessary (in my opinion at least) to enable things like psychoanalysis. I think the best I can do here D1 (or at least at this stage 16 hours into it) is exclude people who appear towny from the list of otherwise random candidates to lynch.

My thoughts so far, with scoring being 100=lock town, 0=lock mafia, 50=meh.

Loldebite is MIA yet again, hopefully shows before the end of first 24h or else time zone is no longer a great excuse.

Not much from Rene, Gikkle at this point. Not enough for a read on Guillo either. 50's

Paopan is a 50 and is 100% Paopan.

Lag is a wildcard, 50 for now. I always shake and tremble with fear when she is in the game.

Frinckles only shitposts so far, is this within his meta on D1? score 45, seems he should have offered something constructive by now, although he did join late. Speaking of joining late... make that score 35-40.

You, MM, agreeing with oliver on more than one point is scummy behavior, especially when there is not a strong rationale (and still no answer from oliver to my question) on one of them. Score=35.

SB16 made an interesting point about rogue CMAN amogus. Tone was OK so score of 60 for me.

oliver's posts did not make sense to me (or to Gikkle, who has since chimed in), but it's NAI because could be a newb (sorry, comrade) or different thought patterns than mine. It seems silly for scum to make comments that are likely to generate controversy (unless this scum is truly playing like a newb and slipped lol). score=50.

Voss has quality posts and good thoughts. Deep wolf with deep pockets is possible, ofc. Score=75 for now.

[PQRnHack]

Today is my birthday btw, send me presents!

[Voss]

Hm looking at it again:
50% of pr are probably scum
33% of cm are probably scum.
maybe them claiming is better than thought?

lol no please.

[Renegade]

敌 人 不 会 自 己 灭 亡 中 国 反 动 派 和 美 帝 国 主 义 在 中 国 的 侵 略 势 力 都 不 会 自 动 退 出 历 史 舞 台!! :mad::mad:


你 好 混 蛋！我 是 真 正 的 医 生


Gikkle

已 确 认 的 城 镇

English please.

[Renegade]

Honestly I don't understand the oliverz hubbub either.

[Renegade]

For the record, I am a big believer in using your vote, but since I am mayor, it is obviously not a good idea for me to be voting prematurely and allowing scum hammers.

I don't want a "it was 5 am in Moscow" incident.

[MartinGG99]

From now on, posts are to be in English (i.e. the language used in this post). While using English is not a rule by itself, it should be well-known that many players here likely are not fluent in the same language as others are fluent in except English. Therefore, it will be treated as an attempt to create a password-protected message.

Continuing to post completely in a non-English language will result in replacement at some point at my discretion.

If it happens to be a bad time and no one is able to replace into your slot within approximately 1.5 cycles (ex: current-night>day>night OR current-day>night>day), then your slot will be mod-killed and no one is responsible for that but you.

[Guillo]

You don't know me, but that's okay. I like you because of it.

I liked Oliverz jumping straight into a meta read on Lag. I've talked with lag a bunch, but never played with him, so he's a scary "pro player" in my book. Oliverz seems to have some experience, and I'm glad they shared it, and would agree. Slightly trolling Lag is not my expectation here.

Also, it doesn't look like it, but my 1/3 congressperson idea came up independently. I missed critical things on the first read of the day and blame sleep deprivation. I townread oliverz though for the read on Lag, and not for saying 1/3 congresspeople are evil.

I also read more of your posts past this quote, and I think I will enjoy playing with you :)



I mean, if someone is at L-1 and I'm sure they're scum, I'll vote them. But I don't want scum to be able to do this.



Let me expand on this a little bit.

Assuming an evil congressperson can figure out who the other congresspeople are through diction, post timing, etc, the scum team knowing who the other congresspeople are benefits scum. Scum would then just not kill or pressure these people, and up their chances of winning by killing non CCable PRs.

I'm not sure how this is information disadvantage, and i'd never advocate for something that I believe is anti-town.

Like, my other assumption here is that it's not advantageous for town to do a D1 mass role claim. This is because we don't want scum killing the better TPRs, and would rather wait a few days for TPRs to out and justify their night actions. Right?

The bolded sums up why you are a wolf.

1) You admitted to have never played with Lag, so you got no meta, no nothing.
2) Express satisfaction for Oliverz meta read
3) Agrees with Oliverz with his meta read, even though you have never played with Lag.
4) And last, you attempt to pocket me.

Voss

Get wrecked

[Guillo]

Wait, are we voting to eliminate people?

[Guillo]

Yah we are, I thought for a minute this was some weird political simulation process similar to another social deduction game I played once.

[Guillo]

KING SHARK IS A SHARK

Pizza, is that you?

[Guillo]

敌 人 不 会 自 己 灭 亡 中 国 反 动 派 和 美 帝 国 主 义 在 中 国 的 侵 略 势 力 都 不 会 自 动 退 出 历 史 舞 台!! :mad::mad:


你 好 混 蛋！我 是 真 正 的 医 生


Gikkle

已 确 认 的 城 镇

The fuck is this? I didn't know I had to understand Japanese to play here.

[Guillo]

oliverz144 what do you think about Voss?

I believe there is at least one scum in Oliverz/Voss/Lag group tbh

[Guillo]

I have one serious read, PQR is 100% town.

No, I do not have any serious reads at this time, other than some town-lean people. No serious scum reads at this point.

Frinckles only shitposts so far, is this within his meta on D1? score 45, seems he should have offered something constructive by now, although he did join late. Speaking of joining late... make that score 35-40.



I don't know if this is AI but I find this post very hypocritical

[Guillo]

My thoughts so far, with scoring being 100=lock town, 0=lock mafia, 50=meh.

Loldebite is MIA yet again, hopefully shows before the end of first 24h or else time zone is no longer a great excuse.

Not much from Rene, Gikkle at this point. Not enough for a read on Guillo either. 50's

Paopan is a 50 and is 100% Paopan.

Lag is a wildcard, 50 for now. I always shake and tremble with fear when she is in the game.

Frinckles only shitposts so far, is this within his meta on D1? score 45, seems he should have offered something constructive by now, although he did join late. Speaking of joining late... make that score 35-40.

You, MM, agreeing with oliver on more than one point is scummy behavior, especially when there is not a strong rationale (and still no answer from oliver to my question) on one of them. Score=35.

SB16 made an interesting point about rogue CMAN amogus. Tone was OK so score of 60 for me.

oliver's posts did not make sense to me (or to Gikkle, who has since chimed in), but it's NAI because could be a newb (sorry, comrade) or different thought patterns than mine. It seems silly for scum to make comments that are likely to generate controversy (unless this scum is truly playing like a newb and slipped lol). score=50.

Voss has quality posts and good thoughts. Deep wolf with deep pockets is possible, ofc. Score=75 for now.

Is loldebite meta to bail when they rand scum or something? Cause otherwise, this sounds like a mischop set up if they are town. The best way to handle zero posters is to bug the mod privately for a replacement. Zero posters offer no info upon elimination, so unless they have a meta for bailing out upon randing wolf, we are not chopping a zero poster.

What is the purpose of that comment you made on Lag? You tremble in fear now? Why?

if MM is scum for agreeing with people why is Voss town lean for you?

What is interesting about SB16 post?
-------------------------------------------

This slot has a lot of wolfy red flags.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I have one serious read, PQR is 100% town.

No, I do not have any serious reads at this time, other than some town-lean people. No serious scum reads at this point. Consider also that some people have 2-5 posts, so do you think there is a legit mafia slip in one of them? As i've said many times before, I dislike D1 because it's pretty random. The shitposting is kinda necessary (in my opinion at least) to enable things like psychoanalysis. I think the best I can do here D1 (or at least at this stage 16 hours into it) is exclude people who appear towny from the list of otherwise random candidates to lynch.

My thoughts so far, with scoring being 100=lock town, 0=lock mafia, 50=meh.

Loldebite is MIA yet again, hopefully shows before the end of first 24h or else time zone is no longer a great excuse.

Not much from Rene, Gikkle at this point. Not enough for a read on Guillo either. 50's

Paopan is a 50 and is 100% Paopan.

Lag is a wildcard, 50 for now. I always shake and tremble with fear when she is in the game.

Frinckles only shitposts so far, is this within his meta on D1? score 45, seems he should have offered something constructive by now, although he did join late. Speaking of joining late... make that score 35-40.

You, MM, agreeing with oliver on more than one point is scummy behavior, especially when there is not a strong rationale (and still no answer from oliver to my question) on one of them. Score=35.

SB16 made an interesting point about rogue CMAN amogus. Tone was OK so score of 60 for me.

oliver's posts did not make sense to me (or to Gikkle, who has since chimed in), but it's NAI because could be a newb (sorry, comrade) or different thought patterns than mine. It seems silly for scum to make comments that are likely to generate controversy (unless this scum is truly playing like a newb and slipped lol). score=50.

Voss has quality posts and good thoughts. Deep wolf with deep pockets is possible, ofc. Score=75 for now.

Voss would act like he's acting as any alignment imo. The AI stuff will come when he starts making reads and placing his votes. I would be very careful about giving him free townpoints for writing long posts that do not actually get us anywhere yet.

Arriving late is not a scumtell, go away lol, Frinckles is null for now

"Oh no you agree with something I disagree with, scum!" POPULIST SCUM! Down with the populist, comrades! PQRnHack
It's not like the Lag/Oliver discussion needs my vote to exist, and this is spicy :)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The fuck is this? I didn't know I had to understand Japanese to play here.
*stares at Paopan in otter disbelief*

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909630/2018/12/GettyImages-1055235274.jpg?w=1280

Is loldebite meta to bail when they rand scum or something? Cause otherwise, this sounds like a mischop set up if they are town. The best way to handle zero posters is to bug the mod privately for a replacement. Zero posters offer no info upon elimination, so unless they have a meta for bailing out upon randing wolf, we are not chopping a zero poster.

What is the purpose of that comment you made on Lag? You tremble in fear now? Why?

if MM is scum for agreeing with people why is Voss town lean for you?

What is interesting about SB16 post?
-------------------------------------------

This slot has a lot of wolfy red flags.

I guess it's a little convenient to say I like the guy saying something similar to what I just said lol, but I really like this post, especially considering it's from someone who doesn't know most players here. 100 % agreed on Loldebite (and no, that isn't their meta, I'm not even sure I've seen them as scum actually). The Lag part is just a joke, though. Good point about Voss town but MM scum for what is more or less the same tell: although it doesn't necessarily mean PQ is scum, it's weird.

Also, interesting comes up once again, really xD. I too would like to know what the Stealth part refers to, though.

[Guillo]

*stares at Paopan in otter disbelief*

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15909630/2018/12/GettyImages-1055235274.jpg?w=1280


I guess it's a little convenient to say I like the guy saying something similar to what I just said lol, but I really like this post, especially considering it's from someone who doesn't know most players here. 100 % agreed on Loldebite (and no, that isn't their meta, I'm not even sure I've seen them as scum actually). The Lag part is just a joke, though. Good point about Voss town but MM scum for what is more or less the same tell: although it doesn't necessarily mean PQ is scum, it's weird.

Also, interesting comes up once again, really xD. I too would like to know what the Stealth part refers to, though.

Why are you answering questions I'm addressing to PQR directly? Wait for your turn.

Also, what's going on with you? You lack of your characteristic fire when you rand town. Yes, I did research you and know exactly who you are ;)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why are you answering questions I'm addressing to PQR directly? Wait for your turn.

Also, what's going on with you? You lack of your characteristic fire when you rand town. Yes, I did research you and know exactly who you are ;)

Because it's meaningful for reading you and because I want to give my opinion on a current scumspect of mine. My response does not stop PQ from having to reply himself.

Aha, interesting xD. I'm not too sure what more you would want to see, though. RVS getting cut out quickly put me out of my element, but it's theoretically pro-town to cut it early and get into real debates ASAP, so yay, I guess.

There's also that I may or may not be multigaming o.O

[Marshmallow Marshall]

敌 人 不 会 自 己 灭 亡 中 国 反 动 派 和 美 帝 国 主 义 在 中 国 的 侵 略 势 力 都 不 会 自 动 退 出 历 史 舞 台!! :mad::mad:


你 好 混 蛋！我 是 真 正 的 医 生


Gikkle

已 确 认 的 城 镇

I will not translate whatever you tried to tell me and will assume that you meant "I am not trying to play for real, am planning to do just like when I was mayor, and am angry because you pointed it out!! :mad::mad:" if you do not elaborate, and that makes me give little value to your life, sorry :)

What do you think of PQ?

[Guillo]

Because it's meaningful for reading you and because I want to give my opinion on a current scumspect of mine. My response does not stop PQ from having to reply himself.

Aha, interesting xD. I'm not too sure what more you would want to see, though. RVS getting cut out quickly put me out of my element, but it's theoretically pro-town to cut it early and get into real debates ASAP, so yay, I guess.

There's also that I may or may not be multigaming o.O

To be clear, do you suspect PQR or Lag?

[Guillo]

"Interesting" is not a scum tell on its own per se but it is depending of the moment it is posted and how.

Saying something is interesting without saying why implies TMI.

[Guillo]

PQRnHack

[Guillo]

Scum

Voss
PQR

Maybe is cum

Lag

I don't lag his focus on mechanical play specially the subject of claiming roles during Day 1.

My concern with my own scum lean on Lag is that I know he is a competent player and fishing for roles on day 1 is just newbie scum play, which he is not.

[Guillo]

Both Oliver and Lag voiced approval for claiming PRs though. Oliver first, then Lag. I don't know what to make of that. Can they be both town mindmelding? and wrongly so? Or could Lag be providing false positive support for Oliver?

[Renegade]

I'm getting strange scum vibes from PQR this game. Something is off about his tone, he is usually very confident but he seems more confident than usual.

[Lumi]

Yes, I am claiming exactly that, but with an important nuance: as I said, I'm not sold yet - you see, the nuance matters.

Selective amnesia of my FM-Mabel Pines and FM-Wile E. Coyote games?

Also games you've not been in, but other players in this game were in (or hosted) like the Anime World 2 game Guillo hosted and Gikkle was in where I spent most of the start of day 1 appraising slots based on how "chill" I deemed them to be, lol

[Lumi]

Both Oliver and Lag voiced approval for claiming PRs though. Oliver first, then Lag. I don't know what to make of that. Can they be both town mindmelding? and wrongly so? Or could Lag be providing false positive support for Oliver?

I voiced support for it because I think it's optimal play.

For several reasons:

- Power roles should be claimed before we're close to LYLO, because otherwise we risk running into a scenario where 1 day to LYLO is actually LYLO because scum have vote manipulation power roles.
- None of the powers other than medic are actually pro-town, just pro-that-slot, so a mass-claim doesn't cause us to lose anything like a cop
- The power roles actually are alignment indicative, because the setup is hand-picked, we can infer information about the scum equity of slots based on what role scum flipped scum have

Notably, if it gets to be too late in the game before the claim, then we run into a scenario where scum power roles just claim vanilla and we don't have time to chop through all possible liars (kind of like red check claims in LYLO)

[Lumi]

Care to share TLDR version?

Nah

[Lumi]

it's theoretically pro-town to cut it early and get into real debates ASAP, so yay, I guess.


Hard disagree with this, there are lots of AI interactions that occur during RVS.

Don't think there's anything AI about you saying this, but this is a disagreement in mafia philosophy, and I can't just not speak up about it!

[Lumi]

I'm getting strange scum vibes from PQR this game. Something is off about his tone, he is usually very confident but he seems more confident than usual.

Would you describe a player that rated every player in the range of 35%-60% town as someone that is "more confident than usual"?

Voss being the one exception who is at 75%

[Renegade]

Would you describe a player that rated every player in the range of 35%-60% town as someone that is "more confident than usual"?

Voss being the one exception who is at 75%

I don't necesarilly mean confidence in his reads, but confidence overall.

[Lumi]

I don't necesarilly mean confidence in his reads, but confidence overall.

What do you think about his reads list?

[Loldebite]

I somehow managed to still forget about the game...
When does the day end ?

[Lumi]

I somehow managed to still forget about the game...
When does the day end ?

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20211214T16&p0=419&msg=End+of+Day+1+In&font=sanserif&csz=1

24 hours

Name a more iconic duo:
Loldebite and showing up late to the game

B)

What are your thoughts on the game so far?

[Loldebite]

Today is my birthday btw, send me presents!

Here's one : I showed up before EoD.

[Loldebite]

The fuck is this? I didn't know I had to understand Japanese to play here.

Dont say that, you'll trigger the weebs and they become even more of a pain in the ass afterwards.

[oliverz144]

Ok, welcome to the great chinese text-wall of Pao zedong. I wrote it after post #107. Its mainly based on thoughts i had while rereading.
first at all: happy birthday PQR! I suggest amnesty for today, i dont see him yet to be lynched d1. I dont see enough reasons for him to be lynched, i dont see any reasons at all. (yet).
mass claiming has yet to be fully thougth thru.
considering claims: guillo claimed medic.
IS ANYONE COUNTER-CLAIMING MEDIC???
to: lags#42. I never claimed rvs was over. Just my vote on you wasnt rvs.
btw: it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
completing this tmrw

[Loldebite]

Scum

Voss
PQR

Maybe is cum

Lag

I don't lag his focus on mechanical play specially the subject of claiming roles during Day 1.

My concern with my own scum lean on Lag is that I know he is a competent player and fishing for roles on day 1 is just newbie scum play, which he is not.

I really liked all your posts before that one. Lag focusing on mechanical play is very much in his meta, at least his town meta from the few games i've had/seen. I dont see you ignoring this either, so why would you not like it, still ?

[Loldebite]

Uh, no? Why in the world would you want the PRs to claim lol, they're just going to get gunned down.The medic only has one successful save charge. The setup was designed not to be solvable via massclaim (and to even punish it). So no, absolutely not.

1) What use are to town PRs that dont know how to use their powers for town's good, aka Attorney, Judge, Governor ? All these roles have powers that can hurt town REALLY BAD if misused, AND are extremely powerful for scum !
2) Please explain why/how the setup punishes massclaim. I see little to no downsides.

[Loldebite]

Ok, welcome to the great chinese text-wall of Pao zedong. I wrote it after post #107. Its mainly based on thoughts i had while rereading.
first at all: happy birthday PQR! I suggest amnesty for today, i dont see him yet to be lynched d1. I dont see enough reasons for him to be lynched, i dont see any reasons at all. (yet).
mass claiming has yet to be fully thougth thru.
considering claims: guillo claimed medic.
IS ANYONE COUNTER-CLAIMING MEDIC???
to: lags#42. I never claimed rvs was over. Just my vote on you wasnt rvs.
btw: it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
completing this tmrw

You said earlier that all PRs BUT medic should claim, and now you ask for a medic CC ?

[Loldebite]

After reading their ISO, it feels like PQR has already contributed more to town than in the last Town in the West game, so he gets a solid completely neutral read from me.

[Loldebite]

Seriously tho, if anyone finds any reason why Judge, Governor & Attorney should NOT claim, please let me know. It really feels like these roles are citizens if Town.
OH also, if paopan has a vote tomorrow, judge is dead.

[Loldebite]

Seriously tho, if anyone finds any reason why Judge, Governor & Attorney should NOT claim, please let me know. It really feels like these roles are citizens if Town.
OH also, if paopan has a vote tomorrow, judge is dead.

Probably should've switched the order of those two, but hey, that'll do

[Voss]

Seriously tho, if anyone finds any reason why Judge, Governor & Attorney should NOT claim, please let me know. It really feels like these roles are citizens if Town.
OH also, if paopan has a vote tomorrow, judge is dead.

there's no benefit. the downside is that we don't let these slots do night actions without the pressure of the town, so we can't judge their justifications for said actions later.

[Lumi]

OH also, if paopan has a vote tomorrow, judge is dead.

Can you explain this?

[Lumi]

there's no benefit. the downside is that we don't let these slots do night actions without the pressure of the town, so we can't judge their justifications for said actions later.

It would be pretty naive to use their abilities in that way, since it's more a matter of "when the massclaim happens" rather than "if the massclaim happens"

But again, I don't think it's necessary to do a massclaim day 1, day 2 massclaim is just as good, probably better

[Stealthbomber16]

How do i multiquote here. Oliver claiming strat stinks.

I think the medic should claim.

I’m the medic.

This player is fucking based.


Let me expand on this a little bit.

Assuming an evil congressperson can figure out who the other congresspeople are through diction, post timing, etc, the scum team knowing who the other congresspeople are benefits scum. Scum would then just not kill or pressure these people, and up their chances of winning by killing non CCable PRs.

I'm not sure how this is information disadvantage, and i'd never advocate for something that I believe is anti-town.

Like, my other assumption here is that it's not advantageous for town to do a D1 mass role claim. This is because we don't want scum killing the better TPRs, and would rather wait a few days for TPRs to out and justify their night actions. Right?

I actually somehow completely missed the fact that the congress chat is anonymous. Your thoughts make a lot more sense to me now.

[Voss]

My reasonings are not great, but there's only like 3 pages here and i'm more interested in getting a reads list so people can interact with it than keeping it to myself

** KEEP ALIVE **
Voss - Putting yourself in your own reads list is a town tell 100%
Guillo - the early scum read is super hot
MM - coaching PAO makes him scum with him, or top town
Oliverz - because of early lag meta read
Ren - Not sure where to place him, but, like stealth, will get a better read later.
PQRNhack - didn’t like pao’s opening, just like I didn’t
Loldebite - paying attention to Guillo, posts don’t seem scum motivated
Stealth - engaged with me. I suspect I’ll get a better read as day goes on
Lag- did not like opening, but did not suck
Gikkle - don’t remember much of him
Frinkles - opening sucked, though the low placement here is hopefully more of a prod
Paopan - opening sucked, and slot continues to suck
** VOTE **

(note, that there can be subtle differences to someone I deem scummy, and someone I want to eliminate, or deeming towny vs keeping them around)

[Stealthbomber16]

From now on, posts are to be in English (i.e. the language used in this post). While using English is not a rule by itself, it should be well-known that many players here likely are not fluent in the same language as others are fluent in except English. Therefore, it will be treated as an attempt to create a password-protected message.

Continuing to post completely in a non-English language will result in replacement at some point at my discretion.

If it happens to be a bad time and no one is able to replace into your slot within approximately 1.5 cycles (ex: current-night>day>night OR current-day>night>day), then your slot will be mod-killed and no one is responsible for that but you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8x4m-qpmJ8

[Stealthbomber16]

Ok, welcome to the great chinese text-wall of Pao zedong. I wrote it after post #107. Its mainly based on thoughts i had while rereading.
first at all: happy birthday PQR! I suggest amnesty for today, i dont see him yet to be lynched d1. I dont see enough reasons for him to be lynched, i dont see any reasons at all. (yet).
mass claiming has yet to be fully thougth thru.
considering claims: guillo claimed medic.
IS ANYONE COUNTER-CLAIMING MEDIC???
to: lags#42. I never claimed rvs was over. Just my vote on you wasnt rvs.
btw: it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
completing this tmrw

I struggle to comprehend what you were intending with this post, both because it's weirdly formatted and also because it's just very strange.

I'm gathering that you view PQ as null and are not comfortable with lynching them?

Discussing Guillo's medic claim at this point is anti-town and if he is NOT medic I actually would call the medic to not CC because I have Guillo as a lock townread right now.

What are you even talking about here?

[Stealthbomber16]

Maybe is cum

:wondering:


I'm getting strange scum vibes from PQR this game. Something is off about his tone, he is usually very confident but he seems more confident than usual.

I actually disagree with this feeling. PQ openly said in his "read list" earlier that he doesn't have anything serious. That... doesn't seem very confident to me.


"Interesting" is not a scum tell on its own per se but it is depending of the moment it is posted and how.

Saying something is interesting without saying why implies TMI.

The term "interesting" has been a meme on this site ever since a PR mislynched a citizen in one game because he said the word "interesting".

[Gikkle]

:wondering:



I actually disagree with this feeling. PQ openly said in his "read list" earlier that he doesn't have anything serious. That... doesn't seem very confident to me.



The term "interesting" has been a meme on this site ever since a PR mislynched a citizen in one game because he said the word "interesting".

Interesting

[PQRnHack]

I don't know if this is AI but I find this post very hypocritical

I had several interactions (some unanswered - oliver, same Q as what Voss asked after I asked). How many P-to-P interactions has Frinckles had? Get outta here.

[Renegade]

I had several interactions (some unanswered - oliver, same Q as what Voss asked after I asked). How many P-to-P interactions has Frinckles had? Get outta here.

What is a P-to-P interaction? Sounds hot

[PQRnHack]

Is loldebite meta to bail when they rand scum or something? Cause otherwise, this sounds like a mischop set up if they are town. The best way to handle zero posters is to bug the mod privately for a replacement. Zero posters offer no info upon elimination, so unless they have a meta for bailing out upon randing wolf, we are not chopping a zero poster.

What is the purpose of that comment you made on Lag? You tremble in fear now? Why?

if MM is scum for agreeing with people why is Voss town lean for you?

What is interesting about SB16 post?
-------------------------------------------

This slot has a lot of wolfy red flags.

Lolde was AFK whole of Day 1 last game I had with him. How is saying "Loldebite is MIA yet again, hopefully shows before the end of first 24h or else time zone is no longer a great excuse." implying that I want to (mis-)chop them? And no, he was Town.

If you take my Lag comment seriously, then you need to think again.

> What is the purpose of that comment you made on Lag? You tremble in fear now? Why?
Because I am mind-melding with Voss and not as much with oliver (or MM, who is apparently melding with oliver). Simple as that.

> What is interesting about SB16 post?
I intentionally avoided stating specifics, because I want everyone else to think for themselves. I am not Audible, so why don't you go do your own reading and come back and tell me what I found "interesting"? :)

And yeah I know I will get feedback like "oh look PQR getting defensive here and not spilling the beans". I can live with that.

[PQRnHack]

"Oh no you agree with something I disagree with, scum!"

Correct, that's why I said I don't have any strong reads.

[PQRnHack]

I'm getting strange scum vibes from PQR this game. Something is off about his tone, he is usually very confident but he seems more confident than usual.

Good to know that I can be confident when sober!

[PQRnHack]

Here's one : I showed up before EoD.

Aww, you are so sweeter than the the syrnik cake my mother made for me :)

[PQRnHack]

first at all: happy birthday PQR! I suggest amnesty for today, i dont see him yet to be lynched d1. I dont see enough reasons for him to be lynched, i dont see any reasons at all.

Being the only person to wish me a happy bday doesn't mean you are off my lynch list :) However, I thank you and appreciate the kind words.

Maybe for my bday, the present I will receive is a gas chamber to play in cuz im vibing and so interesting and confident!

[Lumi]

My reasonings are not great, but there's only like 3 pages here and i'm more interested in getting a reads list so people can interact with it than keeping it to myself

** KEEP ALIVE **
Voss - Putting yourself in your own reads list is a town tell 100%
Guillo - the early scum read is super hot
MM - coaching PAO makes him scum with him, or top town
Oliverz - because of early lag meta read
Ren - Not sure where to place him, but, like stealth, will get a better read later.
PQRNhack - didn’t like pao’s opening, just like I didn’t
Loldebite - paying attention to Guillo, posts don’t seem scum motivated
Stealth - engaged with me. I suspect I’ll get a better read as day goes on
Lag- did not like opening, but did not suck
Gikkle - don’t remember much of him
Frinkles - opening sucked, though the low placement here is hopefully more of a prod
Paopan - opening sucked, and slot continues to suck
** VOTE **

(note, that there can be subtle differences to someone I deem scummy, and someone I want to eliminate, or deeming towny vs keeping them around)

This list prompted me to go and read Paopan's posts and wow what a meme.

I've seen Paopan play in several games now and this lack-of-content posting feels very reminiscent to the Murder in the Mid-Atlantic game I hosted where he was wolf. Just noise with no content.

NotPaopan

[PQRnHack]

What is a P-to-P interaction? Sounds hot

Legit made me laugh.

BTW I should place a more serious vote here
Frinckles

[Lumi]

Legit made me laugh.

BTW I should place a more serious vote here
Frinckles

Why Frinckles?

[Lumi]

What do you think about his reads list?

Renegade

[PQRnHack]

Lolde was AFK whole of Day 1 last game I had with him. How is saying "Loldebite is MIA yet again, hopefully shows before the end of first 24h or else time zone is no longer a great excuse." implying that I want to (mis-)chop them? And no, he was Town.

If you take my Lag comment seriously, then you need to think again.

> What is the purpose of that comment you made on Lag? You tremble in fear now? Why?
Because I am mind-melding with Voss and not as much with oliver (or MM, who is apparently melding with oliver). Simple as that.

> What is interesting about SB16 post?
I intentionally avoided stating specifics, because I want everyone else to think for themselves. I am not Audible, so why don't you go do your own reading and come back and tell me what I found "interesting"? :)

And yeah I know I will get feedback like "oh look PQR getting defensive here and not spilling the beans". I can live with that.

EDIT IN BOLD (I selected and copy-pasted wrong line, so my comment below was to the wrong line)

Lolde was AFK whole of Day 1 last game I had with him. How is saying "Loldebite is MIA yet again, hopefully shows before the end of first 24h or else time zone is no longer a great excuse." implying that I want to (mis-)chop them? And no, he was Town.

If you take my Lag comment seriously, then you need to think again.

> if MM is scum for agreeing with people why is Voss town lean for you?
Because I am mind-melding with Voss and not as much with oliver (or MM, who is apparently melding with oliver). Simple as that.

> What is interesting about SB16 post?
I intentionally avoided stating specifics, because I want everyone else to think for themselves. I am not Audible, so why don't you go do your own reading and come back and tell me what I found "interesting"? :)

And yeah I know I will get feedback like "oh look PQR getting defensive here and not spilling the beans". I can live with that.

[PQRnHack]

This list prompted me to go and read Paopan's posts and wow what a meme.

I've seen Paopan play in several games now and this lack-of-content posting feels very reminiscent to the Murder in the Mid-Atlantic game I hosted where he was wolf. Just noise with no content.

NotPaopan

Paopan excels at NAI.

[PQRnHack]

Why Frinckles?

You go ISO him and tell me why you think I would vote Frinckles.

[Lumi]

You go ISO him and tell me why you think I would vote Frinckles.

Why do you think Frinckles posting like that is AI but Paopan is NAI?

[PQRnHack]

I've seen Paopan play in several games now and this lack-of-content posting feels very reminiscent to the Murder in the Mid-Atlantic game I hosted where he was wolf. Just noise with no content.

NotPaopan

I disagree, it's Paopan's meta to spew "mayo" regardless of alignment. And with that, I have answered your other question.

[PQRnHack]

Why do you think Frinckles posting like that is AI but Paopan is NAI?

Funny, I just posted at around the same time replying to your other post. Because Paopan is always like that. Is Frinckles like that? Not from my recollection, or it would have stuck in my memory. All caps non-sense. Unless this is Frinckles D1 specifically. I remember Frinckles being thoughtful and mechanical in past games (forget the name of the game, but one we he and i and others won together when I was slightly fearful Frinckles made a big brain play as scum to appear super towny). So far in this game, Frinckles is Null and Void. Is that only because it's D1? I don't know, I can't memorize all players' metas by day.

[Gikkle]

This list prompted me to go and read Paopan's posts and wow what a meme.

I've seen Paopan play in several games now and this lack-of-content posting feels very reminiscent to the Murder in the Mid-Atlantic game I hosted where he was wolf. Just noise with no content.

NotPaopan

I think it's too early to tell, honestly. His posts so far I think could come from both T!Paopan and S!Paopan. In 333 (scum) and 334 (town), early on, he was pretty unhelpful in both games.

[PQRnHack]

I think it's too early to tell, honestly. His posts so far I think could come from both T!Paopan and S!Paopan. In 333 (scum) and 334 (town), early on, he was pretty unhelpful in both games.

Is Frinckles a good lynch today?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

To be clear, do you suspect PQR or Lag?

Both. In the post you're quoting, I am referring to PQ when I say "scumspect of mine", though, since you were talking about my PQ-related stuff.

[PQRnHack]

Both. In the post you're quoting, I am referring to PQ when I say "scumspect of mine", though, since you were talking about my PQ-related stuff.

So your vote is on me because I dislike that you agreed with oliver, whom I disagree with. Is that accurate? Any other reasons?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Selective amnesia of my FM-Mabel Pines and FM-Wile E. Coyote games?

Also games you've not been in, but other players in this game were in (or hosted) like the Anime World 2 game Guillo hosted and Gikkle was in where I spent most of the start of day 1 appraising slots based on how "chill" I deemed them to be, lol

I am not saying you usually are a boring machine-like person/player xD. Your tone did strike me as different when I first read your posts, though (even before I read oliver's), and you're not the epitome of townness as of right now, whereas you usually are pretty much that. I can't say I have a solid read on you, but I certainly have my eye on you. And to be honest, the only thing you can do to change my mind is to be towny, not to debate whether or not your tone feels different - plus, that's unproductive. I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons:

- I agreed with him that there could be something fishy about you, so why not say it
- We mindmelded in our interpretation of your very early style, which is a point in favor of town!Oliver and gives more credibility to what honestly was just a hunch
- It was an extremely spicy stance to start the game with: a read with that kind of strenght and confidence on the very first page is relatively rare. Also, I don't get to attack you every D1 start, so I might as well take my chance when it comes xD.

[PQRnHack]

- We mindmelded

Gonna splice that quote in there. That's how I felt with Voss.

[PQRnHack]

xD.

Well RIP. I just checked your recent posts hoping that xD doesn't appear.. but it does. So much for my attempt to detect a tell. So inconsistent with xD and XD, too, you bastard!

[Gikkle]

I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.

Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.

I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.

[Gikkle]

Is Frinckles a good lynch today?

From what I've seen of him so far, I would say yes.

[PQRnHack]

I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.

Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.

I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.

Hypothesis: Oliverz is a nubcake and was genuine. Do you have evidence that supports rejecting this hypothesis?

The better question: Why is confirmed nutcake (confirmed not a nub) MM saying "I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons..."

Last question: why am I into cakes today? :D

[Gikkle]

Guillo is probably town if I were to make a read on him rn

[PQRnHack]

From what I've seen of him so far, I would say yes.

Who would be your 2nd choice?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hard disagree with this, there are lots of AI interactions that occur during RVS.

Don't think there's anything AI about you saying this, but this is a disagreement in mafia philosophy, and I can't just not speak up about it!
Oh, I am an unconditional RVS lover. But when you can get straight to the part where people express reasonings and interact with eachother, it's probably even better.

and yes, let the debate beginnnn /s

Ok, welcome to the great chinese text-wall of Pao zedong. I wrote it after post #107. Its mainly based on thoughts i had while rereading.
first at all: happy birthday PQR! I suggest amnesty for today, i dont see him yet to be lynched d1. I dont see enough reasons for him to be lynched, i dont see any reasons at all. (yet).
mass claiming has yet to be fully thougth thru.
considering claims: guillo claimed medic.
IS ANYONE COUNTER-CLAIMING MEDIC???
to: lags#42. I never claimed rvs was over. Just my vote on you wasnt rvs.
btw: it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
completing this tmrw

Why in the world would we discuss the medic claim. It's WIFOM. Leave it be. I like that Stealth said pretty much that at some point in reaction to this post, too.

PQ is painting Frinckles as scummy for "arriving late". Speaking of that, it's inconsistent with his "fine for now" for Loldebite, strictly speaking, so the word painting seems appropriate enough. He's giving a free pass to Voss because "he has quality posts and good thoughts", which means... not much; plus, Voss hasn't said anything that stands out as towny, that's just his style. I suspect he's going with the "easy read on a complicated slot to push" strategy on Voss. And then, I'm scum for "agreeing with you on more than one point"... which is a little ridiculous. Guillo also brought up a good point about PQ townreading Voss, who also is into agreeing with what other people say, but scumreading me for the same reason.
I would say that's pretty rich for the first half of D1.

The last lines are signature-worthy xD.

[PQRnHack]

Guillo is probably town if I were to make a read on him rn

Screw that, send her to the Guillotina!

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@<a href="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=46017" target="_blank">Guillo</a>
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https://youtu.be/oGpFcHTxjZs?t=103

[PQRnHack]

dunno what went wrong with tags there but w/e i cant edit, figure it out

[Gikkle]

Hypothesis: Oliverz is a nubcake and was genuine. Do you have evidence that supports rejecting this hypothesis?

The better question: Why is confirmed nutcake (confirmed not a nub) MM saying "I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons..."

Last question: why am I into cakes today? :D

I doubt he was genuine. If he's town, I find it more likely he intentionally exaggerated simply to kick off discussion. For him to be genuine he would have to have somehow convinced himself that Lag's town meta is to post a grand plan within their first three posts, despite the fact that this did not even happen in the one game he played with T!Lag.

[Gikkle]

Who would be your 2nd choice?

Who said Frinckles was my first choice? I simply said Frinckles would be a good lynch. I wouldn't be against lynching Voss or Oliverz, though. Doubt all three of them are scum, but I've had varying degrees of suspicion on all three.

[Gikkle]

Who said Frinckles was my first choice? I simply said Frinckles would be a good lynch. I wouldn't be against lynching Voss or Oliverz, though. Doubt all three of them are scum, but I've had varying degrees of suspicion on all three.

Answered my own question. I'm voting Frinckles. That was an RVS vote, though, so I wouldn't say it is my "first choice"

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Is Frinckles a good lynch today?
I will let you answer this question yourself. Why do you ask that? What could your motive possibly be for asking this question outside of testing the waters for a lynch? If you are scum, Frinckles is clear.

So your vote is on me because I dislike that you agreed with oliver, whom I disagree with. Is that accurate? Any other reasons?
See my last post.

Well RIP. I just checked your recent posts hoping that xD doesn't appear.. but it does. So much for my attempt to detect a tell. So inconsistent with xD and XD, too, you bastard!
xD

I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.

Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.

I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.

There is a tone change in Lag. Pointing it out, starting the discussion strongly, making people take a stance about his read, all of this is towny and does not seem to be accidental. Oliver gets a townread from me for this; he's doing what a townie should do at gamestart, and I tend to start my town games in a similar manner whenever it's possible and I feel like getting into action quickly.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I doubt he was genuine. If he's town, I find it more likely he intentionally exaggerated simply to kick off discussion. For him to be genuine he would have to have somehow convinced himself that Lag's town meta is to post a grand plan within their first three posts, despite the fact that this did not even happen in the one game he played with T!Lag.

Of course he said it in an exaggerated manner. It's an early D1 spark, it has to be like this; my agreement is with a nuanced stance, not with the literal "lag is supposed to solve the game on the first page" or something like that lol. Would like Oliver to speak for himself on that matter, too.

[Frinckles]

Legit made me laugh.

BTW I should place a more serious vote here
Frinckles

Not sure which of my posts feels alignment indicative to you but sure.

[PQRnHack]

Not sure which of my posts feels alignment indicative to you but sure.

Doubling down on my vote on Frinckles. NONE! None of your posts were AI! That is the point!

[PQRnHack]

I will let you answer this question yourself. Why do you ask that? What could your motive possibly be for asking this question outside of testing the waters for a lynch? If you are scum, Frinckles is clear.

I wasnt even asking you, dumbass.

Piss off. I was asking Gikkle to test their commitment to their bullshit early ass vote.

[PQRnHack]

PQ is painting Frinckles as scummy for "arriving late". Speaking of that, it's inconsistent with his "fine for now" for Loldebite...

I have other reasons, which I have been told by the Host I cannot speak to. So bury it.

[PQRnHack]

Not sure which of my posts feels alignment indicative to you but sure.

No shit, genius. None are, which is why you are suspect. Why would a town~Frink be suck a worthless piece of trash? Start playing or get lynched!

[PQRnHack]

by suck i mean such, but we can do the sucking part after the game. excuse my typo.

[Gikkle]

Of course he said it in an exaggerated manner. It's an early D1 spark, it has to be like this; my agreement is with a nuanced stance, not with the literal "lag is supposed to solve the game on the first page" or something like that lol. Would like Oliver to speak for himself on that matter, too.

Why are you speaking like you know exactly what he meant, despite the fact that all he said was "These 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play" and "Town lag would already come up with a plan"?

Yes, I would also like to see Oliverz speak more about this - he ignored the last time I addressed him, not sure if he just missed it though.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I wasnt even asking you, dumbass.

Piss off. I was asking Gikkle to test their commitment to their bullshit early ass vote.
Love you too. My question still holds, and you won't evade it through insults (which is a very low blow, by the way, you should know better than this).

I have other reasons, which I have been told by the Host I cannot speak to. So bury it.

Not too sure what you're talking about, but if the host told you you can't talk about it, it doesn't exist.

[Gikkle]

I wasnt even asking you, dumbass.

Piss off. I was asking Gikkle to test their commitment to their bullshit early ass vote.

Test my commitment to an RVS vote?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why are you speaking like you know exactly what he meant, despite the fact that all he said was "These 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play" and "Town lag would already come up with a plan"?

Yes, I would also like to see Oliverz speak more about this - he ignored the last time I addressed him, not sure if he just missed it though.

Idk, perhaps I'm just projecting my own vision on Oliver. It's pretty obvious he didn't mean what he said literally, though, as it simply wouldn't make sense.

[PQRnHack]

Love you too. My question still holds, and you won't evade it through insults (which is a very low blow, by the way, you should know better than this).


Not too sure what you're talking about, but if the host told you you can't talk about it, it doesn't exist.

Your question still holds? Formulate your question bud, considering you want to ask it about something that was NOT addressed to you!

[PQRnHack]

Test my commitment to an RVS vote?

Correct, i wanted to see if you stick to it post-RVS (or is it post-RVS yet?).

[Frinckles]

Doubling down on my vote on Frinckles. NONE! None of your posts were AI! That is the point!

Okay. Well that's a silly vote and I guess I'd like more explanation for it if it wasn't a purely provokatory vote to get me to post more often.

Who else are you scumreading.

[Guillo]

Lolde was AFK whole of Day 1 last game I had with him. How is saying "Loldebite is MIA yet again, hopefully shows before the end of first 24h or else time zone is no longer a great excuse." implying that I want to (mis-)chop them? And no, he was Town.

If you take my Lag comment seriously, then you need to think again.

> What is the purpose of that comment you made on Lag? You tremble in fear now? Why?
Because I am mind-melding with Voss and not as much with oliver (or MM, who is apparently melding with oliver). Simple as that.

> What is interesting about SB16 post?
I intentionally avoided stating specifics, because I want everyone else to think for themselves. I am not Audible, so why don't you go do your own reading and come back and tell me what I found "interesting"? :)

And yeah I know I will get feedback like "oh look PQR getting defensive here and not spilling the beans". I can live with that.

Why would I not take your comment seriously, do I know you to figure that one out? No. Are we in RvS, again no. Is it funny?... nope.

So you are mind melding with Voss and based on that what? you wanna fear kill him? Is that it?

[PQRnHack]

Okay. Well that's a silly vote and I guess I'd like more explanation for it if it wasn't a purely provokatory vote to get me to post more often.

Who else are you scumreading.

You know a fraction of my reason for voting you, which we cannot reveal.

Whom else I am scum-reading? Read the thread, maybe? What a lazy player! You remind me of myself. If you are town, get your shit together.

[Frinckles]

So Frinckles claims to be a GREEN onion and NEVER red onion.

In fact, I'd argue my green onion shpeel and your analysis of it clearly hints that you think it was AI.

Not sure why you're denying your own analysis.

[PQRnHack]

Why would I not take your comment seriously, do I know you to figure that one out? No. Are we in RvS, again no. Is it funny?... nope.

So you are mind melding with Voss and based on that what? you wanna fear kill him? Is that it?

Idk what fear kill means.

[Guillo]

What is interesting about SB16 post?
I intentionally avoided stating specifics, because I want everyone else to think for themselves. I am not Audible, so why don't you go do your own reading and come back and tell me what I found "interesting"? :)

And yeah I know I will get feedback like "oh look PQR getting defensive here and not spilling the beans". I can live with that.

You are gonna tell me what you found "interesting" instead of avoiding giving me a real answer or I'm just gonna take it like a scum claim and tunnel you to oblivion.

[PQRnHack]

In fact, I'd argue my green onion shpeel and your analysis of it clearly hints that you think it was AI.

Not sure why you're denying your own analysis.

Nice try!

[Gikkle]

Idk, perhaps I'm just projecting my own vision on Oliver. It's pretty obvious he didn't mean what he said literally, though, as it simply wouldn't make sense.

I don't think that's super obvious, unless you're completely dismissing beforehand the possibility of S!Oliverz? If you're trying to give Oliverz the benefit of the doubt and argue it's possible he wasn't being super literal/exaggerating a bit in his accusation, that's one thing, but arguing that's OBVIOUSLY what Oliverz was going for is a bit strange when there is always the possibility he's just straight up scum going for early aggression.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I will let you answer this question yourself. Why do you ask that? What could your motive possibly be for asking this question outside of testing the waters for a lynch? If you are scum, Frinckles is clear.
PQRnHack this question, i.e. is frinckles a good lynch today (and why), + why you asked that to Gikkle, is quite comprehensible and is obviously directed to you. You're acting in bad faith lol.

[Frinckles]

You know a fraction of my reason for voting you, which we cannot reveal.

I have no idea what this means. I never talk about my FM games with anyone outside of thread especially not people who are playing regardless of whether they're dead.

Except one time I told Oberon "My bad" immediately after lynching him and he flipped town. But that's it, really.

[PQRnHack]

You are gonna tell me what you found "interesting" instead of avoiding giving me a real answer or I'm just gonna take it like a scum claim and tunnel you to oblivion.

It is simple. First off, tell me what was "interesting" (more than one in my book). Then you decide - do you want to pressure me on what i found interesting or do you want to tell me what YOU think I found interesting? Make your choice.

[Guillo]

Both. In the post you're quoting, I am referring to PQ when I say "scumspect of mine", though, since you were talking about my PQ-related stuff.

Ok then I will work with you today.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I don't think that's super obvious, unless you're completely dismissing beforehand the possibility of S!Oliverz? If you're trying to give Oliverz the benefit of the doubt and argue it's possible he wasn't being super literal/exaggerating a bit in his accusation, that's one thing, but arguing that's OBVIOUSLY what Oliverz was going for is a bit strange when there is always the possibility he's just straight up scum going for early aggression.

If Oliver was a brand new player who tends to be overly aggressive without thinking about the consequences of his posts, then you would be right. But here, it seems safe to rule out that possibility, considering it makes no sense as scum and is obviously not going to result in Lag getting lynched; he'd have to be a lunatic to believe he could actually get Lag lynched that way.

[Frinckles]

However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
completing this tmrw

At least Oliver understands my plight.

[PQRnHack]

You are gonna tell me what you found "interesting" instead of avoiding giving me a real answer or I'm just gonna take it like a scum claim and tunnel you to oblivion.

Okay, I fail to give you an interesting answer. But have you given me your interesting answer?

[Frinckles]

Looking forward to more critical analysis from Oliver to bust this game open.

[PQRnHack]

Knowledge does not always involve talking.

[Guillo]

Idk what fear kill means.

Means killing or chopping someone out of fear of his quality as a player.

The reasons you guys are giving is "oh so so player is so good that I could easily get snowed if he is scum so let's kill them before they snow us, in case they are a wolf", which is a poor excuse to find to push someone.

If Lag is chopped in this game is because we find their behavior scummy or he slips, or he commits to misyeets every day and we have to resolve them to clear PoE, not because he could be this mighty player that makes your legs tremble in fear.

[Guillo]

Okay, I fail to give you an interesting answer. But have you given me your interesting answer?

Are you playing with me, I never voiced having an "interesting" opinion. You said that SB16 read was interesting, interesting based on what or in contrast to what? There has to be something that you know to find it interesting instead of flat, no?

[Frinckles]

Well, SB16 seems about as rational and towny as he normally is. Possibly third party. That's last bit is a joke before somebody gets confused and MM has to explain it to them. Apparently Guillo claimed Medic? That's weird.

[Guillo]

And I keep failing to use the right pronoun for Lag goddamn it. Sorry!

[Gikkle]

If Oliver was a brand new player who tends to be overly aggressive without thinking about the consequences of his posts, then you would be right. But here, it seems safe to rule out that possibility, considering it makes no sense as scum and is obviously not going to result in Lag getting lynched; he'd have to be a lunatic to believe he could actually get Lag lynched that way.

He wouldn't think he could actually get Lag out based on that, no. It'd all be for show just to make people think "this guy is town, he entered the game swinging!"

I don't necessarily think one possibility is much more likely than the other, which is why in my original post about this I mentioned that I wanted to see more from Oliverz.

[Guillo]

Well, SB16 seems about as rational and towny as he normally is. Possibly third party. That's last bit is a joke before somebody gets confused and MM has to explain it to them. Apparently Guillo claimed Medic? That's weird.

Oh geezus christ.

[Guillo]

Yah I'm the medic, live with it.

I'm the best killer you will ever meet, night vigilante or day vigilante? Guillotina got you. But medic? I always end up protecting scum, trust me, you are better off not having me protecting anyone.

[Gikkle]

Oh geezus christ.

Can I get a heal tonight :3

[PQRnHack]

Means killing or chopping someone out of fear of his quality as a player.

The reasons you guys are giving is "oh so so player is so good that I could easily get snowed if he is scum so let's kill them before they snow us, in case they are a wolf", which is a poor excuse to find to push someone.

If Lag is chopped in this game is because we find their behavior scummy or he slips, or he commits to misyeets every day and we have to resolve them to clear PoE, not because he could be this mighty player that makes your legs tremble in fear.

Stupidest (is that a word?) msg i read today. I was already called out for being too confident. Now I am fearful lol Awesome!

[Frinckles]

Yah I'm the medic, live with it.

I'm the best killer you will ever meet, night vigilante or day vigilante? Guillotina got you. But medic? I always end up protecting scum, trust me, you are better off not having me protecting anyone.

Word. Just making sure the scum team is aware so that way I don't have to deal with a medic claim living into day 2. Unfortunately there are a lot of players in this lobby that would gladly risk losing a NK for that wifom.

[Gikkle]

If Oliverz is town, good chance MM could be trying to whiteknight here. Not 100% since I can kind of see where he's coming from, but it's still strange that he presumes Oliverz is town and argued about what Oliverz was going for based on that assumption. It's more indicative of TMI than not, imo.
If Oliverz is scum, MM is likely town.

[Guillo]

I voiced support for it because I think it's optimal play.

For several reasons:

- Power roles should be claimed before we're close to LYLO, because otherwise we risk running into a scenario where 1 day to LYLO is actually LYLO because scum have vote manipulation power roles.
- None of the powers other than medic are actually pro-town, just pro-that-slot, so a mass-claim doesn't cause us to lose anything like a cop
- The power roles actually are alignment indicative, because the setup is hand-picked, we can infer information about the scum equity of slots based on what role scum flipped scum have

Notably, if it gets to be too late in the game before the claim, then we run into a scenario where scum power roles just claim vanilla and we don't have time to chop through all possible liars (kind of like red check claims in LYLO)

Lag, we just started the game, we are not close to LYLO so why bring up claiming now? hmm? To help scum figure out who the real important pro-town PRs are so they are hunted down? You know this, you are an exceptional player and I will judge you with higher standards than everyone else.

[Guillo]

Stupidest (is that a word?) msg i read today. I was already called out for being too confident. Now I am fearful lol Awesome!

Yah well I'm sorry for your rand, when scum can't explain their reads what they do next is insult the townie pushing them. I will have your head today!

[Guillo]

PQR is scum
Voss is scum

But at least PQR has not frozen and is fighting back.

Voss is frozen. Maybe

[Guillo]

Word. Just making sure the scum team is aware so that way I don't have to deal with a medic claim living into day 2. Unfortunately there are a lot of players in this lobby that would gladly risk losing a NK for that wifom.

Unfortunately?

[PQRnHack]

Can I get a heal tonight :3

Not happening.

[Frinckles]

Unfortunately?

Meaning, I can't be certain they won't risk leaving you alive to annoy me assuming your claim is true.

[Frinckles]

Suppose it's a bit early for that play though, regardless of it being suboptimal. I'd need to be leading the town off a cliff for that to happen.

[PQRnHack]

PQR is scum
Voss is scum

But at least PQR has not frozen and is fighting back.

Voss is frozen. Maybe

Loving it, me and my top town read as scum! excellent!

[Renegade]

Renegade

Kind of weak, of course, but its halfway into day 1.

I'm not a fan of reads lists anyway.

[PQRnHack]

PQR is scum
Voss is scum

But at least PQR has not frozen and is fighting back.

Voss is frozen. Maybe

Can confirm. I am scum :D

[Renegade]

I have other reasons, which I have been told by the Host I cannot speak to. So bury it.

What???

[Renegade]

Can I get a heal tonight :3

Why are you asking for a heal when obviously I should be healed??

[Guillo]

Can confirm. I am scum :D

WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM

[Guillo]

Guillo is probably town if I were to make a read on him rn

Yah? What strikes you as townie mate?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

If Oliverz is town, good chance MM could be trying to whiteknight here. Not 100% since I can kind of see where he's coming from, but it's still strange that he presumes Oliverz is town and argued about what Oliverz was going for based on that assumption. It's more indicative of TMI than not, imo.
If Oliverz is scum, MM is likely town.

So in other words, I'm either wrong or scum because of a mindmeld and an assumption favoring logic over pointless and weird play? You know what... I'm gonna put my veto on this lol.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

PQR is scum
Voss is scum

But at least PQR has not frozen and is fighting back.

Voss is frozen. Maybe

Voss is known for his low activity, high content style. Or well, he was known when he actually played, this is his first game in a while actually. I don't think this is a frozen wolf, just standard Voss who has a life. That doesn't make him town, though, just not scum for that specific reason.

[Stealthbomber16]

I disagree, it's Paopan's meta to spew "mayo" regardless of alignment. And with that, I have answered your other question.

Do you think Pao isn’t self aware enough to realize this?

[NotPaopan]

Ni hao everyone!

[NotPaopan]

Today is my birthday btw, send me presents!
Okay! I won't vote you today


From now on, posts are to be in English (i.e. the language used in this post). While using English is not a rule by itself, it should be well-known that many players here likely are not fluent in the same language as others are fluent in except English. Therefore, it will be treated as an attempt to create a password-protected message.
Chill. Chill. I already hired a translator. I can now speak proper English! The Anglo-Saxons would be so proud of me. But yeah... minus scredits for me.



OH also, if paopan has a vote tomorrow, judge is dead.
Are you soft-claiming judge?


This list prompted me to go and read Paopan's posts and wow what a meme.
I've seen Paopan play in several games now and this lack-of-content posting feels very reminiscent to the Murder in the Mid-Atlantic game I hosted where he was wolf. Just noise with no content.

I think it's too early to tell, honestly. His posts so far I think could come from both T!Paopan and S!Paopan. In 333 (scum) and 334 (town), early on, he was pretty unhelpful in both games.
Both of you are actually very rude that I almost want to OMGUS. I actually felt I had an awesome opening on the RVS stage.


Yah I'm the medic, live with it.

I'm the best killer you will ever meet, night vigilante or day vigilante? Guillotina got you. But medic? I always end up protecting scum, trust me, you are better off not having me protecting anyone.
Sorry. But I'm counterclaiming this. I'm the real medic.

[NotPaopan]

For now. I'll park my vote here.

Guillo

I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Guillo somehow puts me off.

[Guillo]

Voss is known for his low activity, high content style. Or well, he was known when he actually played, this is his first game in a while actually. I don't think this is a frozen wolf, just standard Voss who has a life. That doesn't make him town, though, just not scum for that specific reason.

Or he is just waiting it out.

[Guillo]

For now. I'll park my vote here.

Guillo

I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Guillo somehow puts me off.

NotPaopan

I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Pao somehow puts me off.

[Guillo]

Yah, i read my vote for that reason and i feel disgusted of myself.

Let's change it back

Voss

[Stealthbomber16]

NotPaopan

I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Pao somehow puts me off.

Pao “somehow puts you off”? He just CC’d you. That’s pretty weak dude.

[Gikkle]

So in other words, I'm either wrong or scum because of a mindmeld and an assumption favoring logic over pointless and weird play? You know what... I'm gonna put my veto on this lol.

No, I think you could be right and be town, but you trying to put words in Oliverz mouth (#169, #179) was very strange. #179 was also strange with the comments that it was "obvious he was not literal" because it "would not make sense", and later when I asked about whether that was dismissing the possibility of S!Oliverz doing it for scummy reasoning, you brought up an extreme scenario (#194, your point about Oliverz having to be a lunatic if he thought he could get Lag lynched from the beginning of the day. Not sure if this is just because you misinterpreted what I was saying? You never responded to me correcting you about what I meant by "early aggression") to dismiss my whole point about the possible justification S!Oliverz may have had where it would make sense for them to make a literal post like that so early on.

Your prior explanation for why Oliverz was town ( #168 ) didn't make much sense either. Here is what you said:

"There is a tone change in Lag. Pointing it out, starting the discussion strongly, making people take a stance about his read, all of this is towny and does not seem to be accidental. Oliver gets a townread from me for this; he's doing what a townie should do at gamestart, and I tend to start my town games in a similar manner whenever it's possible and I feel like getting into action quickly. "

This does not match up with what Oliverz has actually done.

"Pointing (Lag's alleged change in tone) out" - This is Marshmallow putting words in Oliverz mouth, which is what we talked about afterwards and which he acknowledges as a possibility in #179. The only thing Oliverz did publicly say was that Lag wasn't doing a full mechanical plan and "being smart town" like they were last game. Oliverz did not point out any kind of change in tone or anything like that.
"Starting the discussion strongly" - Strongly worded, sure. I wouldn't call it "starting the discussion strongly" though, as it wasn't strong in it's structure, considering he doesn't talk about it all after that and the explanation is pretty lackluster.
"Making people take a stance about his read" - Never happened.

This is just a very strange read altogether and seems a lot like you're trying to justify something you don't really believe in. Maybe I'm wrong? It's just weird on the surface and your answers so far have only raised more questions.

Sorry if this doesn't make much sense or is jumbled, I'm a bit tired.

[NotPaopan]

NotPaopan

I can't explain it yet. I'll form my thought later along with my overall read in this game. But whilst skimming, Pao somehow puts me off.

No no. I voted for you because you literally scum read almost everyone here.
On the other hand, I was just trying to get to know you better cos I am familiar with everyone here except you.

[Guillo]

Pao “somehow puts you off”? He just CC’d you. That’s pretty weak dude.

Stealthbomber16

We need to team up more NotPaoPan! Did you see how Stealthbomber fell for that reaction test like a neewbie scum?

SCUM

PQR
Voss
Stealth



Stealth, in case you didnt see what hit you.

1) I may or may not have fake claim medic to provide cover for the real medic.
2) NotPao may or may not have CCed me to provide cover for the real medic or for me. Because i dont believe he'd CC me if he was the real medic nor he'd CC me if he was scum and trade 1 for 1 for me. So he is just town.
3) You saw an opportunity to shade me and try to pocket Pao and went for it and got caught.

My work is done! Solved the game on day 1 like always.

[Guillo]

No no. I voted for you because you literally scum read almost everyone here.
On the other hand, I was just trying to get to know you better cos I am familiar with everyone here except you.

That is incorrect. I scum read two, I RTed the rest.

[Guillo]

If im wrong with any of those three i mentioned, Lag's wolf equity goes up quite a bit.

[Guillo]

How do I ISO here?

[Frinckles]

How do I ISO here?

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=49469

[NotPaopan]

Aight, time to focus on this game. I got mislynched in the past hour on another website.

Here's an overview. We are still at the RVS stage. I don't get why some people hated this, this is literally like, one of the best stages in FM. Now, let's talk about two things. Setup and players

Setup:
I don't think everyone should reveal their roles.
I mean... Oliver suggested everyone reveal except the medic and voter. Like, seriously?
Assuming everyone here didn't take gaokao. I am still expecting everyone here to know how to add and subtract.
As for the Medic,

Marshmallow Marshall - MM pocketed me and is successful. MM is a low-lying bastard if scum.
Lag - Lag can both be beneficial or disastrous to town.
Gikkle - Unlike before, I'm now familiar with Gikkle. I tunnelled the guy for the first 3 days and he flips town. I like his recent post, so yeah.
Loldebite - Yeet this, seriously. No explanation needed!!! :laugh::laugh:
PQRnHack - Not provoking/starting a train on me?? seems new. He did it as scum before. So positive review for this guy atm.
oliverz144 - Attacking Lag straight out for meta reasons. I'm not familiar. First impression might be a bus with Lag.
Freckles - Goddamn Shark. Confirmed town!
Voss - buddying with oliver, skipping RVS, straight up IIoA post. I hate it. If Guillo wasn't active, I'll 100% vote for Voss.
Guillo - Scum reading half the pop. Still testing the waters on this guy.
Renegade - Renren is beloved Mayor in which I was last game, so I fully knew how big the responsibility of Mayor. I'm a medic and I'll protect you renren
Stealthbomber16 - Seeing no excessive AtE (if town) atm. Feels good, but also wary.

Now noobs, inspect and scumread my read list.

[MartinGG99]

In case people did not know:

There are links with the words "ISO" to the left of the player names in the player list of the first post (OP) of the thread. I made them so its easy for everyone. It also includes my own ISO at the top of the list.

[NotPaopan]

That is incorrect. I scum read two, I RTed the rest.

Errr...
PQ, Voss, Lag, Me, Stealth ??

[NotPaopan]

Setups like these can involve a lot of bussing.

oliver + lag is a possibility
pq + voss is a possibility
pq + lag is a poss

nevermind. so many variations atm.
I'll stop counting the chickens before they hatch.

[Guillo]

Errr...
PQ, Voss, Lag, Me, Stealth ??

I mean, we all know there are only three scum so IF all scum were in that list, im wrong about two of them, now tell me, why do you associate suspecting several players with being scum? I'm uninformed, wouldnt be more suspicious if i was townreading half the playerlist on day 1?

[Guillo]

NotPaoPan are you a new player to mafia?

[Guillo]

That is an actual question by the way.

[Voss]

I'll be back in 9 hours or so to reread the day. Thank you for not making this a 15 page day one, everyone :)

my last reads list is still pretty accurate, but I haven't read page 5.

[NotPaopan]

NotPaoPan are you a new player to mafia?

Yes

[Stealthbomber16]

Stealthbomber16

We need to team up more NotPaoPan! Did you see how Stealthbomber fell for that reaction test like a neewbie scum?

SCUM

PQR
Voss
Stealth



Stealth, in case you didnt see what hit you.

1) I may or may not have fake claim medic to provide cover for the real medic.
2) NotPao may or may not have CCed me to provide cover for the real medic or for me. Because i dont believe he'd CC me if he was the real medic nor he'd CC me if he was scum and trade 1 for 1 for me. So he is just town.
3) You saw an opportunity to shade me and try to pocket Pao and went for it and got caught.

My work is done! Solved the game on day 1 like always.
I… what?

1. Yeah, I recognized that and called someone out for commenting on it
2. You don’t think he’d CC you if he were real medic? Why not?
3. Lol ok

I’m just confused, more than anything. Like you just broke the entire theoretical smokescreen by making this play and you didn’t even get anything out of it.

I’m pretty sure you genuinely got counterclaimed and are trying to dig your way out of the hole because I called you out for a weak response…

This is the post that really breaks the illusion, by the way.


NotPaoPan are you a new player to mafia?

This shows me that you aren’t confident in this gambit. All that you just did was potentially out the medic. I fail to see how what you’re doing is pro-town.