S-FM 313: Mushroom Kingdom Madness II

[BananaCucho]

Day 2 vote count:


Firebringer (1 [L-6]):
Bruno
bakermir (5 [L-2]):
FrostByte, Bahkieh, Mike, theoneceko, Renegade
Mike (1 [L-6]):
bakermir
Bahkieh (2 [L-5]):
Firebringer, Marshmallow Marshall






Day 3

Link to setup (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47075-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II-(15P))




Dungeon Master died last night. He was Geno




He left a last will:



Real Secret Role:
Dry Bones
You receive the "Toad" role card initially
If any player changes alignment or a Koopa dies, y






Role List:

Bowser
Hidden Koopa Role
Hidden Koopa Role
Mario
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Any
Hidden Any








Players:

1 - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnae
2 - firebanger
4 - steve the pirate
5 - Whysper
6 - Fred
7 - Martinelli
8 - mallow
9 - Frost "where's my nickname" Byte
10 - gry
11 - BRUNO???!!!
13 - yuki2
14 - Barker










Graveyard:



Scone - Bowser - MUSHROOM'd Day 1
Ken - Toad - Killed Night 1
dungeon master - Geno - Killed Night 2








With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to hammer.



Day 3 ends in 48 hours at 4 PM MDT on Saturday, 10/31/2020
Due to this being Halloween, I am considering delaying/changing day end, please PM your choice to me if you wish for it to change


01:23:06:00

[Toadette]

December 8th, 2015

Bowser's followers hacked a local news station during primetime and broadcasted a video denying allegations that their leader had kidnapped Princess Toadstool. Furthermore, they denounced the Mayor's office, accusing the Mayor of ordering Bowser's death. They claim to have proof of this, that will soon be released. Public opinion...


"How do they know? We were careful" said Mayor Toadette, as she rushed around gathering a few belongings into a suitcase

"It doesn't matter" said the mysterious stranger. "All that matters is that you get out of here as quickly as possible."

"Absolutely", responded the Mayor, "but I need to make a quick call first. I think it's time I called him.

January 14th, 2016

I've been in hiding for more than a month now. Toadsworth has staged a coup on city hall. With the support of Princess Daisy from the neighboring kingdom, he has declared himself interim mayor.

I dispatched Dungeon Master, who sometimes goes by "Geno", to assassinate key members of Bowser's now-dwindling yet persistent group. His reputation did not proceed him, for he was found hanging from city hall's roof with a big red 'X' painted on his face. Daily the death count of innocent citizens is rising. Mario hasn't been seen in weeks. And Princess Toadstool is still missing.

Things could not be worse than they are right now.

- Mayor Toadette

[FrostByte]

well shit

[MartinGG99]

welp

if FB is 100% mario

then logically speaking from my perspective there is either a town player who got turned into Wario by a Waluigi

Or a wario who existed at the beginning that became Insane Wario on n1 (and someone now knows they're doused!!!)

Because with Bowser out of the way there's basically very little reason for Mario to lie about their checks since they don't covert into evil with Daisy.

toadstool is a very unlikely possiblity because both nights had 1 kill, meaning that the koopas didn't convert (unless some town is going to claim they jailed & executed Dark Magician).

I think its 100% the insane Wario possiblity rn because if FB is mario then he would've been almost certainly shot by the Town-turned Wario possibility.

[Mike]

Town Sleep last night was God Awfull. At least we have a Marieo check tonight. FM who and what was your check?

[MartinGG99]

Unless there's love-birds but I don't see a second KPN here

[MartinGG99]

also post-game I have to ask DM why tf he voted Bakermir

cuz I would really like to understand why from his perspective

[MartinGG99]

Also tentative vote for the time being.

bakermir

I honestly thought there were things that were more suspicious going (Ex: Dark Magician), but I guess not.

This also isn't an intent to turbo btw, and if Bakermir flips green then I'm going to give Mike + Ceko a very long look at.

[MartinGG99]

This also isn't an intent to turbo btw, and if Bakermir flips green then I'm going to give Mike + Ceko a very long look at.

maaaaayyyybbbeeeee MM as well, since both him and Ceko have claimed having similar thoughts.

[MartinGG99]

(and someone now knows they're doused!!!)

Actually there's a *slight* possibility this didn't happen if Insane Wario doused DM while koopas targeted DM.

[theoneceko]

who scumpainted dm at eod?? martin did if i remember correctly. i bet his plan was to scumpaint dm so prots wouldn’t guard dm, then attack him that night.

[theoneceko]

Firebringer pls tell me u checked bake last night

[theoneceko]

who were the ppl that led the hellish WIFOM setup discussion hmmmm

bake martin and bruno. bruno just asked a few questions then left, but bake and martin made it way more complicated. right before eod too. smh.

[FrostByte]

who were the ppl that led the hellish WIFOM setup discussion hmmmm

bake martin and bruno. bruno just asked a few questions then left, but bake and martin made it way more complicated. right before eod too. smh.
Bake was getting bussed, what the fuck do you expect?

[FrostByte]

Stop trying to scumpaint for dumb shit

[MartinGG99]

who scumpainted dm at eod?? martin did if i remember correctly. i bet his plan was to scumpaint dm so prots wouldn’t guard dm, then attack him that night.

*Completely ignores that FB claimed a green check on me on D2*

[MartinGG99]

who were the ppl that led the hellish WIFOM setup discussion hmmmm

bake martin and bruno. bruno just asked a few questions then left, but bake and martin made it way more complicated. right before eod too. smh.

Well I suppose for you its hellish WIFOM

But for me knowing I'm Toad, its not really all that bad tbh; I was just trying to figure out what the neutral evil was, if hypothetically someone's alignment did change. Which apparently did on N1, according to DM's body.

[MartinGG99]

Well I suppose for you its hellish WIFOM

But for me knowing I'm Toad, its not really all that bad tbh; I was just trying to figure out what the neutral evil was, if hypothetically someone's alignment did change. Which apparently did on N1, according to DM's body.

Trying to sort that stuff out is important if someone's going to falsely accuse me of being Daisy or otherwise and etc etc etc.

As soon as FB claimed a check on me, some people immediately sought to discredit it.

[theoneceko]

bakermir

[Mike]

who scumpainted dm at eod?? martin did if i remember correctly. i bet his plan was to scumpaint dm so prots wouldn’t guard dm, then attack him that night.

Are you even reading the Game????

For your PoV to be correct team has to be FM and Martan.

Martan HAs to be only
1 Town
2 Evil Dasy

That is litterly the only 2 posiable roles Martan can be he can not be in a scum team unless it is FM and that would meant the Real Mario Has not claimed. (I highly Doubt this )

Evil Princess Daisy (Converted Princess Daisy)
You can visit a player, killing all players that visit that person at night. A player that doesn't take an action is considered to visit themselves
You can visit yourself with this action once
You are immune to night kills

[Mike]

bakermir

I agree with this but I want to hear from Mario First.

[Mike]

Trying to sort that stuff out is important if someone's going to falsely accuse me of being Daisy or otherwise and etc etc etc.

As soon as FB claimed a check on me, some people immediately sought to discredit it.

If you are Town, Look up the people who tryed to discredit you once you got the green check. Tell us there names. I want it to come from you becuse if you do end up being True there is not WIFOM form one of us who is not Cleared.

[FrostByte]

theoneceko


frostbyte



Only world frost can be scum in is 1

Bruno and Frost bussed the hell out of there partner.

And if you run that world I can only say one thing

Get the fuck out of here with that bull shit logic


oh my god pls think beyond what my vote says at face-value


i'm pretty sure u didn't mean to be anti-town, but u just were here.

You pulled a Zedus and claimed to have already explained your tunnel on me but this is all you've said. Explain yourself.

[bakermir]

bakermir (2 [L-5]):
MartinGG99, theoneceko

[FrostByte]

Has anyone else noticed theoneceko shy away from explaining every time they're asked? Lots of excuses. "Oh I'll show why when I get home" "Oh you're being anti-town by asking questions about my logic"

No concrete evidence, not even half assed logic, just a bunch of excuses.

Open the fuck up theoneceko. If you're town, you're being too secretive. What are you thinking? What are your reasons for bussing Bake and me?

[FrostByte]

bakermir Bahkieh Renegade thoughts?
Bahkieh you've been too quiet.

[FrostByte]

Whysper is borderline inactive

[bakermir]

bakermir Bahkieh Renegade thoughts?
Bahkieh you've been too quiet.

we probably have cult if martin isn't orange or pink with FB.

FB feedback don't mean shit anymore btw because of some koopa roles since he claimed and not NK'd.

I expect these clowns to vote me out anyway coz town has no balls to vote out the scum I am handing them. MM pretty much saved them with his goofy posts so mvp vote goes there. Koopas will have to deal with neutrals from now on

[bakermir]

optimal strat for town players today is not to vote, same goes for d4 and d5 until eod.

ceko and martin's vote are red litmus test :)

[FrostByte]

@theoneceko (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849)


frostbyte



Only world frost can be scum in is 1

Bruno and Frost bussed the hell out of there partner.

And if you run that world I can only say one thing

Get the fuck out of here with that bull shit logic


oh my god pls think beyond what my vote says at face-value


i'm pretty sure u didn't mean to be anti-town, but u just were here.

You pulled a Zedus and claimed to have already explained your tunnel on me but this is all you've said. Explain yourself.



Not answering to this post but just wanted to quote you.

You feel so different from Insane Asylum. Maybe it's the avatar change, but in Asylum you seemed much more discrete and appeared to have an ace up your sleeve all the time.

Here you seem much more upfront. But as I said, maybe it's because you have a weird pixel girl instead of that nightmare-fuel moon.


also I feel something similar with your avatar change. your old avatar was too cute + confusing for me to read you as scum ever, now I read you much bravely somehow and i know it is probably a mistake to read people based on avatars ;p

furthermore, i actually admire banana and ren changing avatars in insane also. I think style of @Norwee (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=45628) enlightened me on some things so all credit goes to them. ever since I picked up FM, I have been experimenting with the idea of changing avatars coming to each game, and even considered mid game changes. It reminds me of picking names in the mod coming to each game. i am still exploring ideas and learning without basing my gameplay on meta


And okay, seeing how people really get influenced avatars, I might have to ditch my beautiful apparently-a-Rorschach-test wolf avatar.

But the biggest fuckup is


SAME about frinckles, holy shit that pic srsly affects my view and it pisses me off LMAO
@theoneceko (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849) you outwardly admitted that avatars change your view but you changed yours midgame and then you acted like it's nothing.

I'm not gonna let you dodge either of these two points. It's gonna get shoved in your face every time you post until we have that discussion.

[FrostByte]

optimal strat for town players today is not to vote, same goes for d4 and d5 until eod.

ceko and martin's vote are red litmus test :)
What makes you say that?

[bakermir]

What makes you say that?


litmus test.

if you are town, do not vote until eod. simple

[FrostByte]

litmus test.

if you are town, do not vote until eod. simple

I don't understand the logic behind it, though.

[bakermir]

im going back to sleep. y'all can vote me out if you want when I am gone. ceko and martin are cool with it lol

i still won't claim which role I am btw but I know who is scum. LW's can be manipulated btw so I am leaving my lw tomorrow when I have time to write and still alive.

[bakermir]

i will post my LW here I mean so it can't be manipulated after my death.

[Renegade]

I want theoneceko to explain why they changed their avatar. Someone else brought it up.

[Renegade]

@theoneceko (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849)










You pulled a Zedus and claimed to have already explained your tunnel on me but this is all you've said. Explain yourself.








But the biggest fuckup is


@theoneceko (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849) you outwardly admitted that avatars change your view but you changed yours midgame and then you acted like it's nothing.

I'm not gonna let you dodge either of these two points. It's gonna get shoved in your face every time you post until we have that discussion.

Oh here it is. Yes I want more on this.

[FrostByte]

SAME about frinckles, holy shit that pic srsly affects my view and it pisses me off LMAO

and I asked him about it, he responded with


there should literally be no discussion about my avatar. it's pointless. u trying to make a big deal out of it will be the only way my changed avatar will become one.

He lied about it, which makes it a big deal.

This guy is lying about his motivations. It's obvious he's trying to change his perception. That alone isn't really a problem.

Trying to sway perception and then lying about doing it is a problem, though.

[FrostByte]

I would have just shut the fuck up about it if he'd actually addressed it. But he lied about it so I'm gonna be an annoying dick about it until I get a satisfying answer.

[MartinGG99]

If you are Town, Look up the people who tryed to discredit you once you got the green check. Tell us there names. I want it to come from you becuse if you do end up being True there is not WIFOM form one of us who is not Cleared.

It was *mostly* Bakermir and Ceko.

Although Ceko was less (agressive?) about it by asking if FB was trolling or not.

Bakermir partially took it at face value and said "oh Martin has a decent chance of being Daisy".

Tbh if DM wasn't being odd with his vote and 0 explanation I probably would've just voted Bakermir yesterday.

Not like that would've made a difference though; he was at L-2, not L-1.

[FrostByte]

I like to think that DM posted a helpful LW but then it got replaced with that troll shit

[MartinGG99]

optimal strat for town players today is not to vote, same goes for d4 and d5 until eod.

ceko and martin's vote are red litmus test :)

That's an incredibly weak scum-paint btw

You didn't attack other earlier-than-EoD votes on D1 and D2

So even if that test was 100% accurate

That test is liable to quite some user error lol

[Bruno]

Still dont understand the constant desire to lynch baker when ceko has been scummy consistently since d1. Youre all fucked. Sod2 should've been reason enough to lynch this cock sucker

theoneceko

[MartinGG99]

im going back to sleep. y'all can vote me out if you want when I am gone. ceko and martin are cool with it lol

i still won't claim which role I am btw but I know who is scum. LW's can be manipulated btw so I am leaving my lw tomorrow when I have time to write and still alive.


i will post my LW here I mean so it can't be manipulated after my death.

Won't claim even when he's certain he will die

[MartinGG99]

tbh I should've voted bakermir at EoD2

I made too hasty of a decision at Mid/early D2 to not vote him for that day

[Bruno]

tbh I should've voted bakermir at EoD2

I made too hasty of a decision at Mid/early D2 to not vote him for that day

Ur sig is accurate

[MartinGG99]

Still dont understand the constant desire to lynch baker when ceko has been scummy consistently since d1. Youre all fucked. Sod2 should've been reason enough to lynch this cock sucker

theoneceko


A bakermir elimination doesn't remove a theoneceko elimination out of the picture tho

its entirely possible one of them is scum the other is a neutral or neutral evil (I actually suspected Neut ceko on d1 a bit, but koopas had a higher priority)

[MartinGG99]

Ur sig is accurate

Indeed it is lol

[Bruno]

A bakermir elimination doesn't remove a theoneceko elimination out of the picture tho

its entirely possible one of them is scum the other is a neutral or neutral evil (I actually suspected Neut ceko on d1 a bit, but koopas had a higher priority)

Ok and ceko is scummier than baker has ever been so far. Good job not explaining the train you regret not hopping on tho

[Bruno]

0 logic in this

[Renegade]

theoneceko

[FrostByte]

theoneceko

Claim or die, son

Also explain why you tunneled me

Also explain your avatar and why you lied about it

[MartinGG99]

Ok and ceko is scummier than baker has ever been so far. Good job not explaining the train you regret not hopping on tho


0 logic in this

Could've just asked for my reasoning :shrug:

Whatever.

[Firebringer]

i really wanted to fake feedback just to fuck with scum team.

but w/e ill just claim my real results:
i was roleblocked while checking baker.

[FrostByte]

i really wanted to fake feedback just to fuck with scum team.

but w/e ill just claim my real results:
i was roleblocked while checking baker.

Could be hammer bro, Daisy, or whatever town rb.

Or you could be full of shit.

[FrostByte]

If any of you lurkers or afk are town you're basically gamethrowing FYI. Communication is good for town.

[Firebringer]

Could be hammer bro, Daisy, or whatever town rb.

Or you could be full of shit.

why would town roleblock me.

[FrostByte]

why would town roleblock me.

I dunno. I was just listing possibilities.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

(I've only read the opening D3 post)

Scum gave us a nice kill... DM wasn't even townread and I wondered if he was going under the radar. Guess not :D

What are we doing about Firebringer now? Considering that:

Geno only flips as such if a role has changed alignment. It doesn't seem very far-fetched that Firebringer became a Lovebird. And if there was a Wario, he'd have shot FB, which leads to either him dying as Mario or him not dying because he fakeclaimed (so the three situations are FB Mario dead (no), FB fakeclaim alive (possible) and no Wario in the game (possible)). As for Waluigi, causing more chaos than there already is is probably not necessary or desirable when you wish to survive.

I originally thought about voting him, but there are many scenarios and potentially killing what is still pretty much an alignment cop is a risky move.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

why would town roleblock me.

Town roleblocking you should be hanged high for causing such chaos lol, so we're gonna assume it was never a thing. Scum having a roleblocker is the most likely scenario if we assume you're actually Mario (which isn't necessarily true).

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Also, I have a BIG question. Why was it so easy to bring Firebringer up to a strong train, but so hard to make a Bahkieh train be anything more than a dream? Bahkieh

[Marshmallow Marshall]

who scumpainted dm at eod?? martin did if i remember correctly. i bet his plan was to scumpaint dm so prots wouldn’t guard dm, then attack him that night.

That is really far-fetched. DM needed no scumpaint: he did very little to be townie. It may sound weird, but the only thing that stopped me from pushing him was that he clearly refused to hammer Zone on D1, which I would not exactly expect from a scum.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

bakermir
But why?

theoneceko

You pulled a Zedus and claimed to have already explained your tunnel on me but this is all you've said. Explain yourself.

If you explained your Frostbyte push, Ceko, I missed it too. Please explain.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

we probably have cult if martin isn't orange or pink with FB.

FB feedback don't mean shit anymore btw because of some koopa roles since he claimed and not NK'd.

I expect these clowns to vote me out anyway coz town has no balls to vote out the scum I am handing them. MM pretty much saved them with his goofy posts so mvp vote goes there. Koopas will have to deal with neutrals from now on


optimal strat for town players today is not to vote, same goes for d4 and d5 until eod.

ceko and martin's vote are red litmus test :)

...what
WHAT

What is "cult" in this game? The princesses?
I saved scum...?
WE SHOULD NOT VOTE?? WHAT

https://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h168/radicolo/say_whaaaat_zps4e3628c3.jpg

[BananaCucho]

...what
WHAT

What is "cult" in this game? The princesses?
I saved scum...?
WE SHOULD NOT VOTE?? WHAT

https://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h168/radicolo/say_whaaaat_zps4e3628c3.jpg

Nice image there

[Marshmallow Marshall]

im going back to sleep. y'all can vote me out if you want when I am gone. ceko and martin are cool with it lol

i still won't claim which role I am btw but I know who is scum. LW's can be manipulated btw so I am leaving my lw tomorrow when I have time to write and still alive.

I mean, sure, no turbo here, but... you really need to explain yourself, and the sooner the better. This is majority only, so don't pull a "waiting until EoD to post so that people can't all vote me" play if you're town, it won't help us. And if you're scum, don't do it either because you're gonna lose lol.


Also, I have a very good and logical answer to FrostByte's avatar question about Ceko, but I want to see if he's going to give it himself or if he's going to say some weird thing instead. It definetly isn't inherently scummy, and if it is what I think it is, he's not lying at all.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ok and ceko is scummier than baker has ever been so far. Good job not explaining the train you regret not hopping on tho

Sir, you haven't explained the Bakermir scumread either, so this also works against you lol. Why is Baker scum?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Nice image there

Thanks Mr. Red Knight

[bakermir]

Sir, you haven't explained the Bakermir scumread either, so this also works against you lol. Why is Baker scum?

ceko, martin and mike are point guns at each other while voting me for 2 days in a row. stop being so obnoxious and vote the actual scum

[Bahkieh]

Lol MM and Frosty focus on me is entertaining. When I was on earlier, not much was being said and so I went to bed. I'm not being any more quiet than usual Frosty, get used to it.

[bakermir]

alright, I will give my defense when I get back home soon and explain everything from my pov

i don't know who to vote atm SmugPepe

[Gyrlander]

Okey, I've finished my terror week so I should be here most of the time.

Now it's confirmed DM was a changed Toad, so: 1. FB is Mario -> Very high chance he's transformed 2. FB fakeclaimed -> Huge WIFOM involved, wouldn't mind lynching.

So from now on I'm not gonna be against a FB lynch, although considering you guys don't seem to want to do it then I'll forget about it for the moment.

[Gyrlander]

FrostByke is a very strong Town read for me right now, so no lynching him as well.

I also don't like lynching ceko or baker so... er... we've got a problem. I admit I've been giving ceko a pass because I can't imagine him playing like this as scum but I'll check what you guys have said about him and whether I find it relevant or not (chances are not).

[MartinGG99]

(I've only read the opening D3 post)

Scum gave us a nice kill... DM wasn't even townread and I wondered if he was going under the radar. Guess not :D

What are we doing about Firebringer now? Considering that:

Geno only flips as such if a role has changed alignment. It doesn't seem very far-fetched that Firebringer became a Lovebird. And if there was a Wario, he'd have shot FB, which leads to either him dying as Mario or him not dying because he fakeclaimed (so the three situations are FB Mario dead (no), FB fakeclaim alive (possible) and no Wario in the game (possible)). As for Waluigi, causing more chaos than there already is is probably not necessary or desirable when you wish to survive.

I originally thought about voting him, but there are many scenarios and potentially killing what is still pretty much an alignment cop is a risky move.

You seem to have a misconception here. This is true if Wario shot on N2, but DM changed on N1 and before that FB didn't claim Mario.

Additionally: The OOO makes it clear that any of the triggers that would have caused a role-switch for any of the Toads would occur after the kills, unless it was a kill-turned-capture (but at that point a NK would be missing).

Meaning if DM were killed n1, even if there was an alignment switch, he would (in like 99% of all cases) just flip as "Toad" rather than "Geno".

[MartinGG99]

As for love-birds, I have no clue why he would fake claim checking me as town (instead of someone else) for that.

I would rather not tinfoil it atm.

[MartinGG99]

ceko, martin and mike are point guns at each other while voting me for 2 days in a row. stop being so obnoxious and vote the actual scum

1. I didn't vote you on D2.

2. However, that's part of the reason why I wasn't voting you. Ceko & Mike were both players that I didn't have a ton of trust in. And of course DM had to do something that I found scummy -_-

[Mike]

Could be hammer bro, Daisy, or whatever town rb.

Or you could be full of shit.

No world would town roleblock the cop. It has to be a scum roleblock.

[Mike]

why would town roleblock me.

They would not. It would be throwing we are not living in this world.

[FrostByte]

Lol MM and Frosty focus on me is entertaining. When I was on earlier, not much was being said and so I went to bed. I'm not being any more quiet than usual Frosty, get used to it.

Wasn't a focus, just a mention.

You've been lurking all game though, so that excuse is bullshit.

Why play and not talk? Again, if you're town you're basically gamethrowing by purposely not being helpful

[FrostByte]

alright, I will give my defense when I get back home soon and explain everything from my pov

i don't know who to vote atm SmugPepe

Please do explain. Don't assume that any of us have the same understanding you so. Don't leave details out. If you're town it's time to stop being sketchy.

[FrostByte]

Also, I have a very good and logical answer to @FrostByte (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=3805) 's avatar question about Ceko, but I want to see if he's going to give it himself or if he's going to say some weird thing instead. It definetly isn't inherently scummy, and if it is what I think it is, he's not lying at all.

What's the point of saying this? Read my posts again. He already lied about it "not being a big deal" because he preemptively made it a big deal by making a big deal out of avatars. Unless he went full retard (he didn't) and forgot about that whole conversation then he's full of shit one way or another.

Why are you making excuses for him? Do you really have him townread that hard?

Why do you have him townread?

[FrostByte]

why would town roleblock me.

No world would town roleblock the cop. It has to be a scum roleblock.

They would not. It would be throwing we are not living in this world.

Town roleblocking you should be hanged high for causing such chaos lol, so we're gonna assume it was never a thing. Scum having a roleblocker is the most likely scenario if we assume you're actually Mario (which isn't necessarily true).

I agree it would be dumb as shit but dumber shit has happened and dumber shit will continue to happen if you don't stay at least somewhat open to all the possibilities. Pigeonholing your thinking allows scum to capitalize on mistakes you make through assumption.

[FrostByte]

We need a legit Town of Salem themed game so I can say shit like "CLOSING YOUR MIND TO POSSIBILITIES ALLOWS THE DEVIL TO CAPITALIZE ON MISTAKES YOU MAKE THROUGH ASSUMPTION"

Would be funny

[Whysper]

Whysper is borderline inactive

Yeah, sorry about this. I got a prompt from Banana too on this. :) This week was busier than I expected, but I think I'll have a bit more time this weekend. Going through posts now, especially the points about Baker and Ceko.

Also, I saw someone wondering who scumpainted DM. While I didn't have a strong scum read on him, I was also scum leaning him. He did seem different from the town DM I'm use to. But maybe he just wasn't as invested in this game as I've seen him in others where he gave strong tone reads and pushed them.

Anyway, I'll continue back reading posts and see if there's anything else that catches my eye to comment on.

[Whysper]

Graveyard:



Scone - Bowser - MUSHROOM'd Day 1
Ken - Toad - Killed Night 1
dungeon master - Geno - Killed Night 2

I don't see a lynch for D2, so does that mean we chose to skip it? Why??

[Mike]

I agree it would be dumb as shit but dumber shit has happened and dumber shit will continue to happen if you don't stay at least somewhat open to all the possibilities. Pigeonholing your thinking allows scum to capitalize on mistakes you make through assumption.

This is true.

[Whysper]

So it looks like the likely wagons for today will be Baker and Ceko again. We need to clear up these slots. I'm going to park my vote on Ceko for now. I like those on his wagon and his talk about changing gameplay and so being hard to read still gives me scum vibes. Also, I remember there being earlier discussions on the remaining scum team being Ceko-MM. But like I was saying, the interactions with Zone don't look like wolf theater among all 3. Between Ceko and MM, I think Ceko looked scummier.

theoneceko

[Whysper]

Okay, need to head to bed for now. I'll check for new posts tomorrow and also continue going through previous posts. I want to see why there was the build up towards a possible Baker lynch.

[Renegade]

Don't forget FB could be abandoned love and a jester.

[Mike]

I don't see a lynch for D2, so does that mean we chose to skip it? Why??

Day 2 vote count:


Firebringer (1 [L-6]):
Bruno
bakermir (5 [L-2]):
FrostByte, Bahkieh, Mike, theoneceko, Renegade
Mike (1 [L-6]):
bakermir
Bahkieh (2 [L-5]):
Firebringer, Marshmallow Marshall

This is why!! If there is not enough to lynch it is an auto skip.

[Bahkieh]

Wasn't a focus, just a mention.

You've been lurking all game though, so that excuse is bullshit.

Why play and not talk? Again, if you're town you're basically gamethrowing by purposely not being helpful

Oh no, I'm lurking. Please don't report me to the activity police. And my lurkiness have been brought up two days in a row now, starting to look like a focus. :^)

[Mike]

So it looks like the likely wagons for today will be Baker and Ceko again. We need to clear up these slots. I'm going to park my vote on Ceko for now. I like those on his wagon and his talk about changing gameplay and so being hard to read still gives me scum vibes. Also, I remember there being earlier discussions on the remaining scum team being Ceko-MM. But like I was saying, the interactions with Zone don't look like wolf theater among all 3. Between Ceko and MM, I think Ceko looked scummier.

theoneceko

There is not world I am with CEKO or ZONe.

People keep trying to paint that world.

I helped push zones lynch. Ceko Started the whole Neutral read on me. I have been pushed from all angles. Kenny started the Zone train I agreed with Kenny and we both pushed people to vote zone. Baker tryed to get the vote off him. IE why I pushed Baker so hard and his reactions to my Posts on him where scummy.

Ceko I am not convinced he is town. Ceko has been equaly scummy and townie.

Now facts we know Bowser is Dead Zone.
Mafia has a Roleblocker. We need to put this world at top. because a town roleblocker even possible would just be stupid.
Mafia 3rd role is undeterminded.
We have a Nuetral Evil Warieo. I do not believe Martan is Evil daisy due to the feed back I received last night. So I have Martan as Lock confirmed town now and FM also.
We have 3 Roles that can be Town Neutral or MAfia.
Lets deal with facts now

1 - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnae Null read on him
2 - firebanger Marieo Town (Stop trying to discredit him)
4 - steve the pirate Null Rarely posts. (Have been told in past games this is his town meta)
5 - Whysper Null Rarely posts Is being active today. Posible Neutral and the fact I was doused I think he may be Warieo for not knowing what is happening in game)
6 - Fred Toad
7 - Martinelli Toad Confirmed town
8 - mallow Scummy read on him
9 - Frost "where's my nickname" Byte I am walffle on him null/scummy/ Town. He just sheeps lynchs I find that sketchy.
11 - BRUNO???!!! Dude helped Hammer Zone Town lean but day 2 is why it is not a hard lean.
13 - yuki2 Scummy lean on this guy. Dude in day 1 tryed to start people to read me as Neutral to get my lynched that zone did as well. Then day 2 claim he did not mean it it was a bait??? He will not anser my statment I made That Frost keeps asking over and over on. ODD.
14 - Barker Scummy as all get out claiming PR but not claiming role so he cant be CCed.

[Mike]

Don't forget FB could be abandoned love and a jester.

This does not help town right now. If we consistanltly discredit our PR what is the point in having them. Paranoia is what Mafia and the NE roles need in order to hide.

[bakermir]

Here are my LW and reads.


DISCLAIMER: it is VERY LONG!!



theoneceko





here is my role and what I did


theoneceko

[FrostByte]

Oh no, I'm lurking. Please don't report me to the activity police. And my lurkiness have been brought up two days in a row now, starting to look like a focus. :^)

Continue lurking and I'll continue bringing it up. Simple as that.

[FrostByte]

Here are my LW and reads.


DISCLAIMER: it is VERY LONG!!



theoneceko





here is my role and what I did


theoneceko

bake 100% confirmed scum

[FrostByte]

nice gamethrowing, bake.

[FrostByte]

I don't see a lynch for D2, so does that mean we chose to skip it? Why??

Bake and DM refused to vote. It's 100% on them.

[bakermir]

Bake and DM refused to vote. It's 100% on them.

refused to vote who

what

lol

[Bahkieh]

Bake and DM refused to vote. It's 100% on them.

Well, to be fair, I don't think you can vote yourself so you can't blame bake for not voting bake.

[bakermir]

Well, to be fair, I don't think you can vote yourself so you can't blame bake for not voting bake.

i think he is having anxiety problems


give him time

[FrostByte]

Well, to be fair, I don't think you can vote yourself so you can't blame bake for not voting bake.

they didn't even try. it was disgraceful.

[FrostByte]

i think he is having anxiety problems


give him time
Always

[bakermir]

Always

I actually have it ready on second tab, ready to be posted. I am just checking the reactions ^^

[bakermir]

important note for apes like mike and ceko:

scum=neut(all non town factions)/koopa
town=mushroom kingdom



Above the water:


Gyrlander
townlock


Bruno
townlean


FrostByte
townlean. I am kinds not sure on this. Could very well be koopa here when I lose my ability to read their irony.


If there is a scum in this group then ggwp


some of them could be part of a cult in another world too.. (small possibility)



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Below the water:



Renegade:

low activity entire game.




Bahkieh:

scumlean but this is bahkieh. they don't like participating but it would be great even if they did post more on the slight at least..




Whysper:

scumlean due to low activity.



I don't see a lynch for D2, so does that mean we chose to skip it? Why??

you didn't place a vote.




FB:

Small chance of being green but low activity makes me think otherwise.. Can be pink and lying about their checks all this time. This is a slot that needs to be lynched on d4/d5 if not NK'd on n3/n4. I wouldn't trust the roleblock feedback either but we don't know. they could at least fuckin try playing here -__- Also if roleblock is true, then why is no one questioning the possibility of koopas roleblocking a pink killer here? But anyway, I don't trust FB fully and even if a RB happened then I bet koopas did it so I don't get a green check.





Martin:

My general opinion of them is good, towny slot but FB check on them puts them in a new position for me. Small chance of being green. Can be orange or pink. We only find out about FB and Martin if we flip them at this point. Their D3 start is far from town!Martin. Why would town!Martin go along with Mike's tale on how I(??) tried to get martin lynched or discredit when only thing I ssaid is that Martin has a chance of being orange/pink, this is facts. Maybe Martin is faking their d3 to see reactions, IDK wassup but scumlean here from now on. Martin is pinging me hard today.





MM:

heavy scumlean d1. d2 they seemed rather towny in contrast to their posts on d1 but I am starting to think they have contributed nothing to this game despite good post count. Their push on Bahkieh led us to nothing, it literally reminds me of his push on DS. back long ago on another game. I would honestly expect more from MM, at least more than "Bahkieh is suspicious" and nothing else lol





Mike:

good luck reading this guy. he can be town/scum. hypocrisy is strong in this one when they are a non-town role. I have a scum on him this game when I connect the dots. I imagined us bussing each other EoD1 TvT because I had a TPR read on him, he played along EoD1 but D2 is very questionable. They are willing to lynch anyone in this game and I find their posts coming from scum mindset on d2. they are quite opportunistic and their style is becoming repetitive. We gave him his Exe win over DarkMagician before, allowed him to ML Zedus despite nobody scumread zedus there except the actual scum(MM lol), this game is the right time to put an end to this madness.





ceko:

no town throws themselves out there and push a slot like this, just like mike. worst part is; we might expect mike to be town, I don't see ceko being town at all. I called out their TMI early on and I still stick to it. Ceko was protected by Mike and MM this game.




My Case Against TheOneCeko


Ceko TMI'd SoD1 and when I questioned the possibility of TMI, I got OMGUS'd by ceko, accused me of lurking(??) and scumpainted me ever since then for whatever they can find and you can see that 99% of it doesn't really make sense lmao. I don't know ceko meta well but I know that they had different styles in past two games, they were scum in one, town in other. They got caught on d2 in their scum game based on a fake roleblock claim which got discovered pretty quick. Their town game, I was able to townlock them on d1 till lylo but then.. them refusing to vote the right scum slot got me confused about them. either way, who gives a shit about previous games. This game is where we are at and CEKO done nothing but fluff posts around and their voice has been shaking each time someone questioned them. They have pushed Mike on D1 then on D2 admitted it was "fake reads". If ceko was town, I can't see in any world someone tunnel this way entire game on 1 slot(ME) and not even consider other options. I think ceko is our anchor scum and from here we can go with either Mike or MM as their potential partners and Martin/FB on lesser end.


My PoE:

Ceko>Mike>MM>Martin/FB(not sure who first)>low activity slots>frost>bruno>gyr at this point



we can only hope neuts and scums start killing each other near lylo..

[FrostByte]

bakermir you're not even gonna try? Just gonna keep WIFOMing this "I don't care if I die" stance you're supposedly taking?

[FrostByte]

oop, spoke too soon lol

[bakermir]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=47639

post count and ISO links

[Bahkieh]

they didn't even try. it was disgraceful.

I'm about to go inactive for a few more hours :^) does it help if I give you a heads up?

[FrostByte]

Why Gyrl townlock?

Ceko scummy as fuck or trying to be 200iq town savior and failing miserably. More likely scum imo. I get the sense that he thinks he's important and so he gets nervous any time anyone questions him.

Good point on Whysper asking why we didn't lynch d2. If they'd voted maybe it would've turned out differently.

I can't get a read on martin or mm and I refuse to feel strongly about ren because he's annoying and I can't be impartial

[FrostByte]

I'm about to go inactive for a few more hours :^) does it help if I give you a heads up?

No, it would've helped if you'd contributed even a single thing while you were here.

[bakermir]

Why Gyrl townlock?

Ceko scummy as fuck or trying to be 200iq town savior and failing miserably. More likely scum imo. I get the sense that he thinks he's important and so he gets nervous any time anyone questions him.

Good point on Whysper asking why we didn't lynch d2. If they'd voted maybe it would've turned out differently.

I can't get a read on martin or mm and I refuse to feel strongly about ren because he's annoying and I can't be impartial


fair

gry can be townlean too but on lylo i would never vote them with the current gamestate. this all can change, we are on d3.

[FrostByte]

fair

gry can be townlean too but on lylo i would never vote them with the current gamestate. this all can change, we are on d3.

Why, though?

[bakermir]

Why, though?

their tone is pure imo and contributed more than many slots here

[MartinGG99]

Why would town!Martin go along with Mike's tale on how I(??) tried to get martin lynched or discredit when only thing I ssaid is that Martin has a chance of being orange/pink, this is facts.


I never said this. Neeeevvvveeeeerrrrr ddddiiiiiiidddddd.


Just because other people have said something itt doesn't mean I conform to the same thoughts. I simply independently found you scummy for most of the later-half of D2, you're putting way too much belief in that I must be Pink/Orange...So much so that you've seemingly overridden your past reads of me, including this:


yea ok martin is actin goofy on his last posts

thats not scum.

unless he changed his agenda heavy scum gameplay into AtE heavy one which is concerning at most but not deserving a yeet.

who do you associate them with here?

Which seems to include the possibility of me being town here.

Besides, my willingness to get myself yeeted D1 doesn't exactly equal ANY neutral's win condition; Abandoned Love can't exist in the game at that point.

Therefore, I'm presuming you came to a fairly certain conclusion here that I was town.

And yet as soon as FB + DM came into the thread you started to attack me more and more so about how I *allegedly* have a high plausibility for being Daisy somehow.

[MartinGG99]

Also there was this read too on D2:


Martin is never scum.

Did you even read the game when Kenny almost got Martin lynched? I was ready to vote out Martin up until that moment and I asked him role+vote and he actually claimed his role and placed a vote on Bowser.


So you claim Martin did that on purpose and not genuine???


YOu claim nothing + vote on Martin


How am I gonna trust you???


Fmpov you hard-pressing this "Martin could be evil daisy or lovebird" theory is you trying to adjust to the thread in order to suit your needs.

[bakermir]

I never said this. Neeeevvvveeeeerrrrr ddddiiiiiiidddddd.


Just because other people have said something itt doesn't mean I conform to the same thoughts. I simply independently found you scummy for most of the later-half of D2, you're putting way too much belief in that I must be Pink/Orange...So much so that you've seemingly overridden your past reads of me, including this:



Which seems to include the possibility of me being town here.

Besides, my willingness to get myself yeeted D1 doesn't exactly equal ANY neutral's win condition; Abandoned Love can't exist in the game at that point.

Therefore, I'm presuming you came to a fairly certain conclusion here that I was town.

And yet as soon as FB + DM came into the thread you started to attack me more and more so about how I *allegedly* have a high plausibility for being Daisy somehow.

DM's role change and FB's green check on you could either mean you are really green or a possible pink/orange. there is also this world where FB isn't really mario and both of you are koopas. both of you could be masons too, thats all setup speculation.


FMPOV, FB could TMI on a slot and fake a green check, they can be genuine too. we don't know until we flip FB. they haven't been really doing anything this game which makes me TR them. for you, I had solid TR on d1 and mostly on 2. your d3 feels slightly worrying because of the tone change.


you find me scummy on d2 based on what? I had two people literally scumpainting me top to bottom and I did my best to post little and not derail the game because of their tunnel. I was ok with gettin eliminated and if you read EoD2 I was quite pissed at how the game was progressing, how MM gave us nothing but a "bahkieh lol". people were tired of seeing pages of ceko/mike calling me scum so I can't really blame you or anyone on that. however I find illogical conclusions with some of your d3 posts when you were talking about my tpr claim which seems to be more important to you than the general gamestate we are in

[bakermir]

Also there was this read too on D2:




Fmpov you hard-pressing this "Martin could be evil daisy or lovebird" theory is you trying to adjust to the thread in order to suit your needs.

reread my poe then. In no world I advocated your lynch yesterday or today but you will be more and more suspicious every day as long as we don't flip cultists or koopas. I am only pointing this out. chill down martin

[MartinGG99]

DM's role change and FB's green check on you could either mean you are really green or a possible pink/orange. there is also this world where FB isn't really mario and both of you are koopas. both of you could be masons too, thats all setup speculation.


FMPOV, FB could TMI on a slot and fake a green check, they can be genuine too. we don't know until we flip FB. they haven't been really doing anything this game which makes me TR them. for you, I had solid TR on d1 and mostly on 2. your d3 feels slightly worrying because of the tone change.


you find me scummy on d2 based on what? I had two people literally scumpainting me top to bottom and I did my best to post little and not derail the game because of their tunnel. I was ok with gettin eliminated and if you read EoD2 I was quite pissed at how the game was progressing, how MM gave us nothing but a "bahkieh lol". people were tired of seeing pages of ceko/mike calling me scum so I can't really blame you or anyone on that. however I find illogical conclusions with some of your d3 posts when you were talking about my tpr claim which seems to be more important to you than the general gamestate we are in

1. Assuming I didn't know my role, then yes that FB + Martin koopa team is possible, but plausibility is the real question here.

2. FB didn't get CC'ed. If FB is fakeclaiming Mario here, the real Mario would instantly know that this guy was probably scum. Just hard counter-claim and bam we got a guaranteed koopa dead by EoD2 or EoD3.

Which is quite frankly ballsy of Koopas to do considering, if BananCucho only gave 3 koopa roles including bowser, would quite swiftly leave the koopa team down to just 1 member.

The ONLY way he's scum is for some reason the real mario thought FB was towny as fuck and didn't CC for the sake of towny cover.

But I don't really recall anyone specifically town-reading FB that hard.

3. My scum-read still hasn't mentioned anyone else's arguments against you so far. If you've haven't misinterpreted me, you would understand clearly that my scum-read of you is directly because of your read progression against me and this emphasis about "Martin could be scum" here.

4. I haven't brought up that you claimed TPR on d3. My last post on it was on D2 (and my last post of D2 in fact):



ceko you know from mod very well to not lynch uncontested TPR on d1/d2This is wrong on so many levels.

The mod is VERY different from Forum Mafia in terms of strategies and more.

Not least of which:

1. Basically everyone in the mod is a fucking power role
2. Those TPR's are sorted into categories. Not just "Hidden town"
3. You don't lynch people who claim a specific role, and are uncontested by role/category.

You claimed "TPR" and left it at that.

THIS was in response to you trying to use your vague "TPR" claim, equate it to a different medium of Mafia that has very distinctly different nuances, and think the same logic or principles apply here (when in truth its more complicated on that since this game relies on discussion and interaction, whereas the mod relies mostly on mechanical play).

It just looks like a scum trying to rely heavily on the fact that they vaguely claimed TPR as having to be elimination-immune when there's exactly ZERO logic to support that.

[Mike]

theoneceko For the record I think this is a mistake. Over baker but town is garbage this game.

[Mike]

1. Assuming I didn't know my role, then yes that FB + Martin koopa team is possible, but plausibility is the real question here.

2. FB didn't get CC'ed. If FB is fakeclaiming Mario here, the real Mario would instantly know that this guy was probably scum. Just hard counter-claim and bam we got a guaranteed koopa dead by EoD2 or EoD3.

Which is quite frankly ballsy of Koopas to do considering, if BananCucho only gave 3 koopa roles including bowser, would quite swiftly leave the koopa team down to just 1 member.

The ONLY way he's scum is for some reason the real mario thought FB was towny as fuck and didn't CC for the sake of towny cover.

But I don't really recall anyone specifically town-reading FB that hard.

3. My scum-read still hasn't mentioned anyone else's arguments against you so far. If you've haven't misinterpreted me, you would understand clearly that my scum-read of you is directly because of your read progression against me and this emphasis about "Martin could be scum" here.

4. I haven't brought up that you claimed TPR on d3. My last post on it was on D2 (and my last post of D2 in fact):



THIS was in response to you trying to use your vague "TPR" claim, equate it to a different medium of Mafia that has very distinctly different nuances, and think the same logic or principles apply here (when in truth its more complicated on that since this game relies on discussion and interaction, whereas the mod relies mostly on mechanical play).

It just looks like a scum trying to rely heavily on the fact that they vaguely claimed TPR as having to be elimination-immune when there's exactly ZERO logic to support that.

Anyone pushing Martin here is scummy as all can be. Scum read me I don’t care I prob will not live the night.

[MartinGG99]

reread my poe then. In no world I advocated your lynch yesterday or today but you will be more and more suspicious every day as long as we don't flip cultists or koopas. I am only pointing this out. chill down martin

Okay, I guess I'll let people make some poor arguments against me since clearly they weren't voting me and therefore that isn't a push at all that I also should not be concerned about.

[MartinGG99]

theoneceko For the record I think this is a mistake. Over baker but town is garbage this game.

He's at L-1.

Either way tho I think both of them (Ceko + Baker) have decent plausibility to be some form of scum.

Baker I just scum-read more.

Anyways, I'll vote Ceko in the future. Its just that if I did rn then it would end day less than 22 hours into a 48 hour day phase.

[MartinGG99]

I will admit though, most of my reasons to scum-read Ceko as of late haven't been as independent as my scum-read of Baker.

Mostly agreeing with Frost here.

[FrostByte]

unvote

Is that how that command works?

I don't want him hammered before he can at least make a case

[FrostByte]

theoneceko For the record I think this is a mistake. Over baker but town is garbage this game.

You've been posting a vote tally all game but when you put someone l-1 you don't mention it?

Scummy

[FrostByte]

I will admit though, most of my reasons to scum-read Ceko as of late haven't been as independent as my scum-read of Baker.

Mostly agreeing with Frost here.

I'm scumreading them both... which makes me think one of them is neut

[FrostByte]

theoneceko better get his ass in here and talk.

[bakermir]

1. Assuming I didn't know my role, then yes that FB + Martin koopa team is possible, but plausibility is the real question here.

2. FB didn't get CC'ed. If FB is fakeclaiming Mario here, the real Mario would instantly know that this guy was probably scum. Just hard counter-claim and bam we got a guaranteed koopa dead by EoD2 or EoD3.

Which is quite frankly ballsy of Koopas to do considering, if BananCucho only gave 3 koopa roles including bowser, would quite swiftly leave the koopa team down to just 1 member.

The ONLY way he's scum is for some reason the real mario thought FB was towny as fuck and didn't CC for the sake of towny cover.

But I don't really recall anyone specifically town-reading FB that hard.

3. My scum-read still hasn't mentioned anyone else's arguments against you so far. If you've haven't misinterpreted me, you would understand clearly that my scum-read of you is directly because of your read progression against me and this emphasis about "Martin could be scum" here.

4. I haven't brought up that you claimed TPR on d3. My last post on it was on D2 (and my last post of D2 in fact):



THIS was in response to you trying to use your vague "TPR" claim, equate it to a different medium of Mafia that has very distinctly different nuances, and think the same logic or principles apply here (when in truth its more complicated on that since this game relies on discussion and interaction, whereas the mod relies mostly on mechanical play).

It just looks like a scum trying to rely heavily on the fact that they vaguely claimed TPR as having to be elimination-immune when there's exactly ZERO logic to support that.



1. Assuming we lack information on the neutrals due to lack of flips, It isn't plausible right now but it can be on next days, why do you keep ignoring the mechanical facts here?

2. That's only 1 world. Quite possible one, that is true. You and FB are most probably green mechanically but this is only a matter of time there won't be any players remaining and then what's next?

3. There is no emphasis on your being scum here dude, stop with OMGUS on everything I say. I found your earlier D3 posts quite suspicious but this in fact doesn't mean you are my solid scumread or anything. I understand you are suspicious of me and I can't help you with that but try to understand if you are confused about me or if you are scum. What makes you town besides FB green check on you here? Do you have any scum other than me?

4. Are you sure?


Won't claim even when he's certain he will die




5. What the fuck is your point here? I never claimed immortality and I never treated FM exactly the same as mod. I love both and both are WAY different than each other, I have learned my lesson in my first game, together with you.

[FrostByte]

Just so he doesn't get confused -


@theoneceko (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849)


frostbyte



Only world frost can be scum in is 1

Bruno and Frost bussed the hell out of there partner.

And if you run that world I can only say one thing

Get the fuck out of here with that bull shit logic


oh my god pls think beyond what my vote says at face-value


i'm pretty sure u didn't mean to be anti-town, but u just were here.

You pulled a Zedus and claimed to have already explained your tunnel on me but this is all you've said. Explain yourself.



Not answering to this post but just wanted to quote you.

You feel so different from Insane Asylum. Maybe it's the avatar change, but in Asylum you seemed much more discrete and appeared to have an ace up your sleeve all the time.

Here you seem much more upfront. But as I said, maybe it's because you have a weird pixel girl instead of that nightmare-fuel moon.


also I feel something similar with your avatar change. your old avatar was too cute + confusing for me to read you as scum ever, now I read you much bravely somehow and i know it is probably a mistake to read people based on avatars ;p

furthermore, i actually admire banana and ren changing avatars in insane also. I think style of @Norwee (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=45628) enlightened me on some things so all credit goes to them. ever since I picked up FM, I have been experimenting with the idea of changing avatars coming to each game, and even considered mid game changes. It reminds me of picking names in the mod coming to each game. i am still exploring ideas and learning without basing my gameplay on meta


And okay, seeing how people really get influenced avatars, I might have to ditch my beautiful apparently-a-Rorschach-test wolf avatar.

But the biggest fuckup is


SAME about frinckles, holy shit that pic srsly affects my view and it pisses me off LMAO
@theoneceko (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=39849) you outwardly admitted that avatars change your view but you changed yours midgame and then you acted like it's nothing.

there should literally be no discussion about my avatar. it's pointless. u trying to make a big deal out of it will be the only way my changed avatar will become one.


It ended up becoming a big deal because you lied about it.

but if you dodging until at least somewhat close to EoD I'm gonna push for a hammer.

[Gyrlander]

Here are my LW and reads.


DISCLAIMER: it is VERY LONG!!



theoneceko





here is my role and what I did


theoneceko

Towny!

[Gyrlander]

I don't know why but I seriously start to drift off every time I read you guys discussing, so instead of trying to understand what the fuck is wrong with you I'll try to think mechanically.

[MartinGG99]

1. Assuming we lack information on the neutrals due to lack of flips, It isn't plausible right now but it can be on next days, why do you keep ignoring the mechanical facts here?

2. That's only 1 world. Quite possible one, that is true. You and FB are most probably green mechanically but this is only a matter of time there won't be any players remaining and then what's next?

3. There is no emphasis on your being scum here dude, stop with OMGUS on everything I say. I found your earlier D3 posts quite suspicious but this in fact doesn't mean you are my solid scumread or anything. I understand you are suspicious of me and I can't help you with that but try to understand if you are confused about me or if you are scum. What makes you town besides FB green check on you here? Do you have any scum other than me?

4. Are you sure?






5. What the fuck is your point here? I never claimed immortality and I never treated FM exactly the same as mod. I love both and both are WAY different than each other, I have learned my lesson in my first game, together with you.

1. Technically speaking, any one of you could be a koopa. That's a mechanical fact from my PoV.

That's why sometimes we have choose and be picky with which mechanical facts to trust, and what is plausible.

Otherwise I can sit here and over-analyze everyone (which is not an enjoyable experience).

2. Well then I wish you clarified you were making these points in the off-chance that me and FB live to the end.

Generally speaking though I don't dwell on "what if X player lives until the end" because I could be quite wrong on who lives to the end.

3. Well my issue on D2 was that I believed many were possibly scummier than you (Ex: Ceko + Mike + DM; Mike to a small degree). But since scum decided to kill DM, and he flipped green, I then decided I should resolve the Mike + Ceko + Bakermir conflict since it was becoming increasingly clear that no matter how much I town or scum-read in that group, not everyone in there was the same alignment.

Also, though this isn't really one of my primary concerns, but that DM kill does solidify your past mentions about "DM + FB town = Martin possibly evil daisy" on D2 by making DM flip green thus removing any doubt.

4. That's my mistake. I only searched for the word "TPR" in my own ISO, and didn't realize I referred to it indirectly here on D3.

5. Then what was the point of bringing that up to ceko?????? Or even in the game for that matter

[bakermir]

Otherwise I can sit here and over-analyze everyone (which is not an enjoyable experience).


Please do so because we need it and I appreciate that when you do it.

[bakermir]

Towny!

hawks senpai :love:

what are your reads?

I posted mine, I hope to see more from others too because this will just push the game in one direction in which i am not 100% certain of the outcomes. I can't do this alone guys

[Renegade]

Where is theoneceko ?

[Renegade]

Treeko is lunch today.

[Mike]

You've been posting a vote tally all game but when you put someone l-1 you don't mention it?

Scummy

Tbh I did not even notice when I voted him he was at L2 . Call me scummy when I get Burnt tonight at least you all will see my flip and then can judge al lithe people pushing so hard on me. Also I would reather vote baker over ceko but ceko lynch is not bad becuse it would give us info lynched I consider awful are
Martin FM Bruno

[Gyrlander]

Nevermind, I need to take into account too many posibilities making my decision just a random one. Personally, between all the possible lynches that I think can happen today I'd go with Bakhieh. My read on him is inexistent and I have him as a random Lurker. I'd rather not lynch Ceko who seems to act like Town Ceko nor Baker who I seem to trust (and at this point I don't even care if my feelings are manipulating me).

[MartinGG99]

Please do so because we need it and I appreciate that when you do it.

Last game that I did over-analyze,

I ended up scum-reading two of my higher town-reads (who ended up being town in the end).

I have no intention of doing that, and I was being serious when it wasn't enjoyable at all.

It ends up with me putting a whole lot of pressure on myself and getting so involved in a game in a way that's probably not healthy (and since I'm not super expressive, people generally don't see me as being very involved, I would imagine).

And all the while I am endlessly over-analyzing, I can't make any confident statements or post because, well, I'm over-analyzing and don't know what the hell to say because that in of itself needs analysis.

I'll still continue to analyze things here every now and then, though.

[FrostByte]

Nevermind, I need to take into account too many posibilities making my decision just a random one. Personally, between all the possible lynches that I think can happen today I'd go with Bakhieh. My read on him is inexistent and I have him as a random Lurker. I'd rather not lynch Ceko who seems to act like Town Ceko nor Baker who I seem to trust (and at this point I don't even care if my feelings are manipulating me).

So you think liar Ceko is town Ceko because MUH META.

Unless you plan on pulling specific behaviors that are very parallel, MUH META is trash

[FrostByte]

Tbh I did not even notice when I voted him he was at L2 . Call me scummy when I get Burnt tonight at least you all will see my flip and then can judge al lithe people pushing so hard on me. Also I would reather vote baker over ceko but ceko lynch is not bad becuse it would give us info lynched I consider awful are
Martin FM Bruno

That's fair.

I don't have you scumread. That was just a scummy thing to do. No big deal, easy mistake to make.

If arsonist wants even a slim chance at winning they need to wait to burn. Arso is all or nothing kinda thing. If they burn they're gonna get scumhunted tomorrow and then gg for them

they should probably be targeting mafia tbh. If it dwindles between arso and mafia, mafia win because night chat

[FrostByte]

Last game that I did over-analyze,

I ended up scum-reading two of my higher town-reads (who ended up being town in the end).

I have no intention of doing that, and I was being serious when it wasn't enjoyable at all.

It ends up with me putting a whole lot of pressure on myself and getting so involved in a game in a way that's probably not healthy (and since I'm not super expressive, people generally don't see me as being very involved, I would imagine).

And all the while I am endlessly over-analyzing, I can't make any confident statements or post because, well, I'm over-analyzing and don't know what the hell to say because that in of itself needs analysis.

I'll still continue to analyze things here every now and then, though.

Don't stress yourself out. It's just a game.

Find a nice balance between giving a shit but not being stressed out.

Hard to do.

[Gyrlander]

So you think liar Ceko is town Ceko because MUH META.

Unless you plan on pulling specific behaviors that are very parallel, MUH META is trash

Er... your arguments are so complex I literally cannot grasp them. If you want you can tell me the main points or direct me to some post because I literally cannot understand.

[Gyrlander]

That's fair.

I don't have you scumread. That was just a scummy thing to do. No big deal, easy mistake to make.

If arsonist wants even a slim chance at winning they need to wait to burn. Arso is all or nothing kinda thing. If they burn they're gonna get scumhunted tomorrow and then gg for them

they should probably be targeting mafia tbh. If it dwindles between arso and mafia, mafia win because night chat

Er... We know if we're doused, so most likely there isn't any Arsonist.

[Gyrlander]

Bakhieh

[Bahkieh]

Bakhieh

It's spelled Bahkieh sport, but nice try though

[Bruno]

Lynch ceko

[FrostByte]

Er... We know if we're doused, so most likely there isn't any Arsonist.

Mike is claiming doused

[FrostByte]

Lynch ceko

We should wait for his defense

[Bruno]

We should wait for his defense

Tbf i dont think he has one. If dude has wasted a day of towns time focusing him then he deserves 2 die either way fuck that pos

[Bruno]

Day 1 scum sod2 scum, day 2 tried pocketing both me and mm sod3 blatant scum behavior

Fuck this bitch

MOOOOVE THAAAAAT BUUUUUSSSS

[Bruno]

Plus i aint voting for baker or bahk regardless of what direction general opinion goes if ceko train is derailed. Not confident in a lynch against either, and if we're gonna lynch just to thin the herd for whatever retarded reason, it should be ceko who gets the axe

[Bruno]

Dudes had a whole ass day to speak for himself. If i can fund time to be active while working 9hr days and binging on coke this dude has no excuse on gods green earth

[Bruno]

5am up
5:30 chill at the jobsite till i mosey from my car for 6am start
3:30 done
4:30 pick up some blow and party till 2 or 3, if i sleep
Repeat
Only variation is day i dont pick up and i sleep from 5 to 5

[bakermir]

Mike is claiming doused

where? His posts are too chaotic to read.

can you quote or give me the post number

[Bruno]

If i can post while self destructing ceko can post

[Bruno]

Hes hoping to run out the clock so yall with the attention span of a bird will pick someone new to focus d4

[Bruno]

Dont get played, suckers. Hes workin yall like a fiddle

[Bahkieh]

5am up
5:30 chill at the jobsite till i mosey from my car for 6am start
3:30 done
4:30 pick up some blow and party till 2 or 3, if i sleep
Repeat
Only variation is day i dont pick up and i sleep from 5 to 5

Sounds like a grand ol time.

[Bruno]

Sounds like a grand ol time.

Ngl i wake up most mornings absolutely hating myself yet i do it time and again to myself so fuck it

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=QImUh5V6ovU&feature=share

[bakermir]

Ngl i wake up most mornings absolutely hating myself yet i do it time and again to myself so fuck it

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=QImUh5V6ovU&feature=share

feed both

[Bruno]

feed both

They both win when u feed both. The true path 2 a balanced and well rounded life. I like ur spunk

[bakermir]

They both win when u feed both. The true path 2 a balanced and well rounded life. I like ur spunk

it is more political for me now since most of europe is still backwards when it comes to individual liberty

[FrostByte]

where? His posts are too chaotic to read.

can you quote or give me the post number


We have a Nuetral Evil Warieo. I do not believe Martan is Evil daisy due to the feed back I received last night.


Call me scummy when I get Burnt tonight at least you all will see my flip and then can judge al lithe people pushing so hard on me.

Claims he got feedback last night, claims he's gonna burn tonight.

[FrostByte]

He's had plenty of time by now. If we lynch it'll solve Banana's problem about day end and Halloween.

theoneceko

[FrostByte]

THEONECEKO IS L-1

[Bruno]

Renegade my friend have u cast ur vote. U did iirc. Im off the shit again. Whats ur opinion on ceko did i already ask

[Bruno]

Bro lurkers go to HELL

Massive disrespect to my main partner BananaCucho to sign up 4 a game and not even commit

Childish behavior imo

Talm bout the ppl who post like twice a day, not necessarily lurkers. At least they keep up with the game

[Mike]

That's fair.

I don't have you scumread. That was just a scummy thing to do. No big deal, easy mistake to make.

If arsonist wants even a slim chance at winning they need to wait to burn. Arso is all or nothing kinda thing. If they burn they're gonna get scumhunted tomorrow and then gg for them

they should probably be targeting mafia tbh. If it dwindles between arso and mafia, mafia win because night chat

Wait who was top scum reading me then why was I doused?

[MartinGG99]

He's had plenty of time by now. If we lynch it'll solve Banana's problem about day end and Halloween.



Due to this being Halloween, I am considering delaying/changing day end, please PM your choice to me if you wish for it to change


Oh !@#$ I didn't even realize/read that.

He (Ceko) has had 25 and 1/2 hours now since his last post.

I guess there isn't much left to do or discuss other than see the flip.

theoneceko


BananaCucho

[The Godfather]

theoneceko has been hammered. Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


theoneceko ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/39849') (7 [L-0]): MartinGG99 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900447'), Bruno ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900288'), Renegade ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900297'), FrostByte ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900441'), Whysper ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900349'), bakermir ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900359'), Mike ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900386')
bakermir ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/45327') (1 [L-6]): theoneceko ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900262')
Bahkieh ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/4042') (1 [L-6]): Marshmallow Marshall ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=900313')

[BananaCucho]

Treecko is lunch! He is Princess Toadstool


Night 3 has begun and will end either in 24 hours (9 PM MDT 10/31/2020) OR when I get home tomorrow night/Sunday morning. Depends on when I can process night actions, as I have plans tomorrow starting at 7 PM. Night actions are still due in 23 hours (8 PM on Halloween)

[BananaCucho]

Opening now as I cant in 30 min


Day 4

Link to setup (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47075-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II-(15P))




Martinelli died last night. He was Toad




He left a last will:


{TOWN}
Frost
Fire
Bruno
Whysper

{NULL}
Marshmallow
Baker
Gyr
ceko

{SCUM}
DM
Mike
Bakieh










Role List:

Bowser
Hidden Koopa Role
Hidden Koopa Role
Mario
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role
Hidden Neutral
Hidden Any
Hidden Any








Players:

1 - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnae
2 - firebanger
4 - steve the pirate
5 - Whysper
6 - Fred
8 - mallow
9 - Frost "where's my nickname" Byte
10 - gry
11 - BRUNO???!!!
14 - Barker










Graveyard:



Scone - Bowser - MUSHROOM'd Day 1
Ken - Toad - Killed Night 1
dungeon master - Geno - Killed Night 2
treecko - Princess Toadstool - MUSHROOM'd Day 3
Martinelli - Toad - Killed Night 3








With 10 alive it takes 6

Flavor will come later, bit busy today and didn't get to it


Day 4 ends in 49.5 hours at 9 PM MST on Monday, 11/02/2020
NOTE: DAYLIGHT SAVINGS ENDS FOR UTAH TONIGHT/TOMORROW, THROWING IT OFF BY AN HOUR IF DAYLIGHT SAVINGS ISN'T ENDING FOR YOU



01:23:30:00

[Mike]

Martian you put baker as nul and me as scum. Your reads are so bad.

[Mike]

People let’s talk about me being Cekos partner. Lol I was so happy when he fliped neutral. Baker is outed mafia.

[Mike]

Roflol he also had DM in his scum reads.

[Mike]

There are currently 4 users browsing this thread. (4 members and 0 guests)
Mike, Bahkieh, Frinckles

[Renegade]

Gyrlander

[Renegade]

Bruno FrostByte this is the way

[Mike]

Well ok. We know there is a 2nd neutral since I was doused night 2 so wario shot night 1 that make DM geno. So the princes toadstool was not changed according to the flip. So 2 any roles still unaccounted for. Meaning we can have a 4th mafia and and extra town. It extra neutral.

Who was doused last night. If no one was then they prob doused Martin.

Fire who did you check?

This is day4 PR if you have any info you need to put now. If you don’t stay hidden.

Mafia is targeting anyone confirmed or able to be confirmed.

DM kill night 2 DM claimed he could prove he was a PR in the night. Mafia Mafia knew he would have to be one of 2 roles Viggy or Mayor. Eatjer way they wanted him dead.
Martian kill Night3 with Fire confirming him as Town and with me getting doused confirmed he was real town.
Kenny kill night1 prob revenge and they may have read him as PR since he started the Zone train.

[Mike]

Bruno FrostByte this is the way

No we need to kill baker today not keep derailing it off him.

[Mike]

Bakermire

[Mike]

Bakermir

[Mike]

Bruno FrostByte this is the way

Also why would you just ping those 2?

[Renegade]

Also why would you just ping those 2?

They are my towncore.

Gyr has to go today.

[Renegade]

MartinGG99 didn't even include me in his lw.

[BananaCucho]

Um ba dum dee da

[BananaCucho]

Hows your giys halloween

[BananaCucho]

Come unto me

Like a little child

[Bahkieh]

Hows your giys halloween

I got no trick or treaters, big sad because I bought full size candy bars for any that came by.

In game related news, I have received no feedback all game. Kinda disheartening ngl.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Gyrlander


Bruno FrostByte this is the way

W H Y

What's up with people not explaining their votes??


Also:

- Fuck majority mushrooms, Voss is RIGHT
- Ceko played like town :( lynching him was bad
- If Ceko flipped as standard Toadstool, then someone else needs to have changed role
- Why is this thing still alive and why are people still pushing baker
Bahkieh

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wait Mike, you claimed doused?? I completely missed that. ISOing you and checking for "douse"...


There is not world I am with CEKO or ZONe.

People keep trying to paint that world.

I helped push zones lynch. Ceko Started the whole Neutral read on me. I have been pushed from all angles. Kenny started the Zone train I agreed with Kenny and we both pushed people to vote zone. Baker tryed to get the vote off him. IE why I pushed Baker so hard and his reactions to my Posts on him where scummy.

Ceko I am not convinced he is town. Ceko has been equaly scummy and townie.

Now facts we know Bowser is Dead Zone.
Mafia has a Roleblocker. We need to put this world at top. because a town roleblocker even possible would just be stupid.
Mafia 3rd role is undeterminded.
We have a Nuetral Evil Warieo. I do not believe Martan is Evil daisy due to the feed back I received last night. So I have Martan as Lock confirmed town now and FM also.
We have 3 Roles that can be Town Neutral or MAfia.
Lets deal with facts now

1 - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnae Null read on him
2 - firebanger Marieo Town (Stop trying to discredit him)
4 - steve the pirate Null Rarely posts. (Have been told in past games this is his town meta)
5 - Whysper Null Rarely posts Is being active today. Posible Neutral and the fact I was doused I think he may be Warieo for not knowing what is happening in game)
6 - Fred Toad
7 - Martinelli Toad Confirmed town
8 - mallow Scummy read on him
9 - Frost "where's my nickname" Byte I am walffle on him null/scummy/ Town. He just sheeps lynchs I find that sketchy.
11 - BRUNO???!!! Dude helped Hammer Zone Town lean but day 2 is why it is not a hard lean.
13 - yuki2 Scummy lean on this guy. Dude in day 1 tryed to start people to read me as Neutral to get my lynched that zone did as well. Then day 2 claim he did not mean it it was a bait??? He will not anser my statment I made That Frost keeps asking over and over on. ODD.
14 - Barker Scummy as all get out claiming PR but not claiming role so he cant be CCed.

So you "announced" that you supposedly were doused... here? What a weird place to announce it. No formal announcement, just a casual mention of it in a wall.

And this. Really? If I may refresh your memory...


Well there is my Town MM. Welcome to the town circle.


Ceko you need to Find MM town here. Trust me on this.


Marshmallow Marshall theoneceko You both are TvT you need to find each other.


Scum MM would just call it scummy but no explaine why. IE why I was scum reading him at first. But the fact he also posted why. That from MM is so town. MM as scum lets town do scummy things if it helps scum. But Town MM will never let that fly.


ROFLOL Naked TOwn MM I love it

And remember that I've already asked this more than once, here's one example:


So, you hard scumread Bakermir:

But you would be ok with me flipping?

When you said I was lock town to you earlier? ERROR ERROR. CANNOT COMPUTE REASONING. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.

You never answered. Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike


:smurf: Mike :smurf:
ANSWER MEEEEEE

WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR READ ON ME?

This + the weird way to announce you were doused makes me seriously think you're a neutral who changed role and became whatever sort of evil you ended up being.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

If Mike fails to reply to those questions or to say WHY THE HELL BAKER WOULD BE SCUM, I riot
and probably vote him, too

[bakermir]

I got no trick or treaters, big sad because I bought full size candy bars for any that came by.

In game related news, I have received no feedback all game. Kinda disheartening ngl.

same

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bakermir]

If Mike fails to reply to those questions or to say WHY THE HELL BAKER WOULD BE SCUM, I riot
and probably vote him, too


his entire readlist is either TMI or just scumpaint without basis. why are you taking Mike serious after yesterday's flip?

[bakermir]

ceko flip clears Martin/FB slots.

I am spewed town here as much as bruno.

if bruno didn't bus zoneQQ then they are fine mostly town here.


frostbyte could be LAMIST here, I actually had a lot of thoughts on this after ceko flip.

gyrlander can't go on without voting for days. it would be good to see some moves from them soon.


renegade taking initiative is good. problem is, they could be wolf here.

bahkieh was the first one to post no feedback, this is good in my books. i had no feedback either entire game.


nothing from whysper. in no community you can go on for days with less than 10 posts so this slot is starting to worry me. ISO is shit too. it might be community meta difference here with them but i expect more contribution.


mm is a renowned player but handed us 0 scum so far, even defended both zoneQQ and ceko. if MM can't find scum but I find scum here then this should be alarming to all.


as for mike; read #2196


I am not voting anyone until these issues are resolved.

[Gyrlander]

Well, I guess I was wrong but not that wrong considering ceko was Neutral and not Mafia.

[bakermir]

and if anyone calls my reads "fencesitting" or asks me to claim my exact role then I dare you all to come at me. any town with a brain knows I am not scum here.

[Gyrlander]

Now, I missed Mike's doused claim, and it appears he was doused D2? Why wouldn't he make a ruckus about it? Instead most of us didn't know. I'm suspicious he might be the Insane Wario trying to clear himself through claiming he has been doused.

I'd consider lynching him if no one else claims having been doused (I haven't).

[Gyrlander]

Bruno FrostByte this is the way

I agree

[Gyrlander]

Also Marshmallow Marshall 's post screwed the page. Thank you.

[bakermir]

Also Marshmallow Marshall 's post screwed the page. Thank you.

when MM is pissed, the forum breaks :wm:

[Gyrlander]

ceko flip clears Martin/FB slots.

I am spewed town here as much as bruno.

if bruno didn't bus zoneQQ then they are fine mostly town here.


frostbyte could be LAMIST here, I actually had a lot of thoughts on this after ceko flip.

gyrlander can't go on without voting for days. it would be good to see some moves from them soon.


renegade taking initiative is good. problem is, they could be wolf here.

bahkieh was the first one to post no feedback, this is good in my books. i had no feedback either entire game.


nothing from whysper. in no community you can go on for days with less than 10 posts so this slot is starting to worry me. ISO is shit too. it might be community meta difference here with them but i expect more contribution.


mm is a renowned player but handed us 0 scum so far, even defended both zoneQQ and ceko. if MM can't find scum but I find scum here then this should be alarming to all.


as for mike; read #2196


I am not voting anyone until these issues are resolved.


bruh I voted Bakhieh. Although I knew he wasn't gonna be lynched.

[BananaCucho]

Did you guys have a good night

[Gyrlander]

I'm having some issues discerning which players are alive due to the nicknames HUM

[bakermir]

Did you guys have a good night

it was fine. halloween is special for me every year.


how was yours banana?

[Whysper]

No we need to kill baker today not keep derailing it off him.


If Mike fails to reply to those questions or to say WHY THE HELL BAKER WOULD BE SCUM, I riot
and probably vote him, too

I've been trying to look back at posts from Mike for his reasoning to suspect Baker but can't find much. I just found something about Baker trying to self-prez, but that's it.

Baker has been posting a lot and attempting to solve, so I've been town leaning him.

I'll probably end up voting Mike as well unless he explains more.

[Bahkieh]

I'm having some issues discerning which players are alive due to the nicknames HUM

It's pretty simple. Which one do you need to know?

[Whysper]

Nevermind, I need to take into account too many posibilities making my decision just a random one. Personally, between all the possible lynches that I think can happen today I'd go with Bakhieh. My read on him is inexistent and I have him as a random Lurker.


bruh I voted Bakhieh. Although I knew he wasn't gonna be lynched.

Did you have any other scum reads at all? It seems weird to just throw a vote on the lurker, especially when you know no one else is voting for him.

[Whysper]

It's pretty simple. Which one do you need to know?

Originally I wasn't sure about "steve the pirate" and "Fred". But I figured out steve was you from your pfp. And so I assume Fred is Mike.

[Bahkieh]

Originally I wasn't sure about "steve the pirate" and "Fred". But I figured out steve was you from your pfp. And so I assume Fred is Mike.

Fred was also the only one I didn't understand but by process of elimination that's what I got too

[bakermir]

fred = mike


it is a reference to this game

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46962-S-FM-302-Magellan-(15p)/page109

[bakermir]

there are two questions we need to answer:



1. Did anyone else got doused so far? Please don't hide this information

2. Firebringer did you get roleblocked again?

[bakermir]

so far only Mike reported being doused and this is the only reason why I haven't rushed voting them. Today is the epicenter of this game and we need to figure this out without a ML happening

[Bahkieh]

I expect them to continue roleblocking him to limit ways we can get concrete evidence.

[Mike]

If Mike fails to reply to those questions or to say WHY THE HELL BAKER WOULD BE SCUM, I riot
and probably vote him, too

Dude you are not my lock town day 1 reads are hard to go on. I also town read baker day one and Kenny was telling me no he is scum.

The fact you are saying this trash makes me think you might be his partner.
I am not makeing up being doused. So now you are saying there is no arsonist and I made it up .

Why the fuck would I make that up when there was NO pressure on me???? WHY explaine that???? Why would I bring more heat on myself?? Are you the one who doused me and trying to discredit it so people don’t hunt the arsonist?????? Is the fact there was not pressure on you why you did not burn me last night???? Answer those a questions MM

[Mike]

his entire readlist is either TMI or just scumpaint without basis. why are you taking Mike serious after yesterday's flip?


You claimed me and ceko where scum team becuse we both read you scum. Now when ceko flips neutral that still makes me scum???? What the fuck???

Baker you tryed hard to derail the lynch I was helping push on zero... he fliped mafia GF role. Then your reactions to my push on you day 2 was awful. Then you claim PR with no info to help us Day 4 still not claiming a roel becuse you would be outed as all roles are UNIQUE. Just PR. Dude you are as scummy as it gets.

Also you never went over becise your mafia partners did not vote you. Notice how quickly Ceko went over no partners to help him. Yes he was town but he was. Trying to give town reads.

[Mike]

ceko flip clears Martin/FB slots.

I am spewed town here as much as bruno.

if bruno didn't bus zoneQQ then they are fine mostly town here.


frostbyte could be LAMIST here, I actually had a lot of thoughts on this after ceko flip.

gyrlander can't go on without voting for days. it would be good to see some moves from them soon.


renegade taking initiative is good. problem is, they could be wolf here.

bahkieh was the first one to post no feedback, this is good in my books. i had no feedback either entire game.


nothing from whysper. in no community you can go on for days with less than 10 posts so this slot is starting to worry me. ISO is shit too. it might be community meta difference here with them but i expect more contribution.


mm is a renowned player but handed us 0 scum so far, even defended both zoneQQ and ceko. if MM can't find scum but I find scum here then this should be alarming to all.


as for mike; read #2196


I am not voting anyone until these issues are resolved.

Please explaine in what fantasy world you are spewed town????? You are spewed Scum...

You have done nothing pro town this game on claim a bogus PR that is fake as shit!!!!

[Mike]

Now, I missed Mike's doused claim, and it appears he was doused D2? Why wouldn't he make a ruckus about it? Instead most of us didn't know. I'm suspicious he might be the Insane Wario trying to clear himself through claiming he has been doused.

I'd consider lynching him if no one else claims having been doused (I haven't).

Omfg reread the day. I said it several times. People not reading then claiming oh know what fuck it vote my cc ass off give mafia the win this town is full of retards they want to belive mafia fucking outed mafia... I hand them a mafia lynch baker and they are to stupid to follow it. Yes you are are fucking restarted notice the graveyard all people who backed me. Who where seeing what I had been saying. Get me out of this game. Vote me then when you see. My flip as toad fucking vote baker just promise me when you lynch me KILL BAKER he is MAFIA

@BanananAchocho is suiciding alowed?

[Mike]

I've been trying to look back at posts from Mike for his reasoning to suspect Baker but can't find much. I just found something about Baker trying to self-prez, but that's it.

Baker has been posting a lot and attempting to solve, so I've been town leaning him.

I'll probably end up voting Mike as well unless he explains more.

Read end of day 1 please then read thru the start of day 2 then tell me if you have a town lean on him.

If you want to vote me then please a vote don’t just claim it. I am ok with dieing here when town losses it will not be on me and post game I will be told you dump asses handed the town win on a player and you all ducked it up.

[Mike]

there are two questions we need to answer:



1. Did anyone else got doused so far? Please don't hide this information

2. Firebringer did you get roleblocked again?

Martian prob did. I know now you all going to say I lied and faked it

[Mike]

so far only Mike reported being doused and this is the only reason why I haven't rushed voting them. Today is the epicenter of this game and we need to figure this out without a ML happening

Well if we vote you we will not have a ML.

[Mike]

Look at facts please people.
Fact 1 day 1 DM claimed Toad
Fact 2 day 2 DM claimed his roel was changed to PR claiming he can fix firm at night. Meaning a someone changed role for that to happen.
Fact 3 night 2 DM was killed. I was doused. I outed to confirm That to show Martian was real I defended Martian and DM day 3 WTF would I do that day 3 baker kept scum painting them both.
This means wario prob rng his shot night 1 to become arso.
Fact 4 EOD Baker did try hard to stop us from lynching Zone.

These are all facts we know about wtf is people ignoring these facts????

[Mike]

People this is why I am getting sick of playing FM games because people are not reading them. They alow mafia to tell lies and change the facts becuse people are to laszy to read the game. Oh wow 4 pages I am not going to read that. Like someone saying I claimed doused day 2 that is a fucking lie. I claimed day 3 over and over I claimed it. No I did not scream it but I also posted how that would make it more than likely Martian was not evil daisy. How fire was prob real and to stop scum painting them how baker then kept scum paining them both.

Fucking read the game stop just going what lies mafia feed you!!!

[bakermir]

Martian prob did. I know now you all going to say I lied and faked it

no one thinks that, stop feeling so entitled to shit in this game.

you are calling me scum based on EoD1 in which I believed you to be TPR so I bussed you TvT to attract scum kill on myself and you went with this.


I already telegraphed I would be voting Zone before CFD happened. I had mostly scumread on him due to him QQ but I was not sure till the last minute. WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PURPOSE IN THIS GAME?

[Mike]

no one thinks that, stop feeling so entitled to shit in this game.

you are calling me scum based on EoD1 in which I believed you to be TPR so I bussed you TvT to attract scum kill on myself and you went with this.


I already telegraphed I would be voting Zone before CFD happened. I had mostly scumread on him due to him QQ but I was not sure till the last minute. WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PURPOSE IN THIS GAME?

That is an out and out right lie you tryed to move the lynch from Zone onto me. This is an out and out right Lie baker you are outed scum. Wow town has to be full of idiots if they belive this crap you are shoveling.

They need to reread day 1. Also I am basing it on your reactions day 2 major scum points there. Even Kenny scum read you and died night 1.

Town please wake up and read the game for your selfs.

[Mike]

Arson please if baker is not lynched today please please burn me tonight. I am begging you. Becuse only way town will wake up is to see eather me or baker flip.


Mafia will not kill me becise it would put Baker as mafia.

[bakermir]

That is an out and out right lie you tryed to move the lynch from Zone onto me. This is an out and out right Lie baker you are outed scum. Wow town has to be full of idiots if they belive this crap you are shoveling.

They need to reread day 1. Also I am basing it on your reactions day 2 major scum points there. Even Kenny scum read you and died night 1.

Town please wake up and read the game for your selfs.

No it isn't a lie, you are so obnoxious when your ego is on the line, oh look the noob baker is more credible than me BOOHOOO @BaBnana can I haz suicide??

play the game or shut up. people don't want to read another 10 pages of you calling me mafia here, you already made your case now if you don't have anything else to say on gamestate or any other slot here then get the hell out of here so we can solve this without getting derailed further

[bakermir]

Mike

show where Kenny scumreads me??

[bakermir]

Mike

who is arsonist? who are koopas? who is survivor?


how the fuck were you so sure Martin was toad before ceko flip??


Why didn't you vote ceko earlier with MM?


dude you didn't even listen to others about getting doused but calling martin doused like what the fuck do you know???

[bakermir]

Mike

what do you think about Rene's vote on Gyrlander and @ at frost/bruno?????


What do you think about Gyr/MM voting bahkieh?

where is your read progression?


Kenny's LW states Martin/Gyr scum, Martin's LW states you are scum.

How are you so sure last wills are fake? koopas can only rb and kill or do another action and kill. they can't both corrupt lw and rb unless they rolled a 4th koopa from hidden any

like if you gonna TMI this much then at least explain your logic and read progression here

[Mike]

baker what the fuck do you know now


zone flip value = 0


you or martin are better options for flip value. ceko too.


or vote Mike the outed 3P


On what basis? Why the fuck did you wait till now to start talking? EoD is 10 minutes. We have pretty good association tells on zone with gyro and martin. The guy has been acting scummy and did nothing to tell the town. We'd literally have this same situation every other day too if he's not flipping over now


yea zone is equally annoying as bruno

neither have flip value



GREAT SCUM THEATRE



when I flip tonight get the people who pushed for this lynch


Get zone to flip first. We'll have exactly this same situation tomorrow again if you don't


Nah bake super scummy


Dude, No one hunted you are just brodcasting you are Mario. I am like dude even a Blind Mafia can tell what you are claiming. So Protection on Baker tonight. Calll me scum for outing you but you outed yourself. at lest we can ask for any porotetive rolls on you at least.

When you RNG PR stop acting scummy and stop outing your role I mean for real man. In sprits I did not care becuse I was scum but this game I am a bit anoyed



You all do the math.

[Mike]

baker what the fuck do you know now


zone flip value = 0


you or martin are better options for flip value. ceko too.


or vote Mike the outed 3P


On what basis? Why the fuck did you wait till now to start talking? EoD is 10 minutes. We have pretty good association tells on zone with gyro and martin. The guy has been acting scummy and did nothing to tell the town. We'd literally have this same situation every other day too if he's not flipping over now


yea zone is equally annoying as bruno

neither have flip value



GREAT SCUM THEATRE



when I flip tonight get the people who pushed for this lynch


Get zone to flip first. We'll have exactly this same situation tomorrow again if you don't


Nah bake super scummy


Dude, No one hunted you are just brodcasting you are Mario. I am like dude even a Blind Mafia can tell what you are claiming. So Protection on Baker tonight. Calll me scum for outing you but you outed yourself. at lest we can ask for any porotetive rolls on you at least.

When you RNG PR stop acting scummy and stop outing your role I mean for real man. In sprits I did not care becuse I was scum but this game I am a bit anoyed


Mike

what do you think about Rene's vote on Gyrlander and @ at frost/bruno?????


What do you think about Gyr/MM voting bahkieh?

where is your read progression?


Kenny's LW states Martin/Gyr scum, Martin's LW states you are scum.

How are you so sure last wills are fake? koopas can only rb and kill or do another action and kill. they can't both corrupt lw and rb unless they rolled a 4th koopa from hidden any

like if you gonna TMI this much then at least explain your logic and read progression here

Martins LW is old. Notice he had DM town PR in his reads as scum. So don’t give me this crap.

Also answer me this baker? Why the fuck would I a scum come out and hard push you???? Why if you where not scum and you flip town that would so outmyself. So explaine why Day ducking 2 would I as scum want to lynch you? How is that going to help my win con I would just pocket you.

Also you claiming I have TMI on Martin well let’s look at this if I was Mafia how the fuck would I have info TMI that Martian was town not Neutral?? So mafia team get info on who is town and who is neutral????

The only 2 posible roles Martian could be from logic was neutral or town with fires green check and fire was never CC as Marieo. And I knew I was doused. Meaning there was no wario to kill him. So please explaine how I would have TMI. Als I you tryed to get town to belive I was mafia team with Ceko ceko fliped neutral so who is my ducking partner now???baker you are so outed. By logic not I think.

[Mike]

Now I have church so I will not be on so don’t try to claim I ran scared. Dude I got you and you know it.

[Renegade]

I believe Bruno was right about Gyrlander.

He was right about Zone, but wrong about me. 2/3 is pretty good.

[FrostByte]

If Mike fails to reply to those questions or to say WHY THE HELL BAKER WOULD BE SCUM, I riot
and probably vote him, too

He was actually a little subtle about being doused but he definitely did say it. And then I clarified to Bake. If you didn't know he was claiming doused then you're not reading thoroughly enough.

Or you're scum looking for low hanging fruit with which to confuse town.

[FrostByte]

Bake is trying soooo hard to derail lynch on them.

Don't think I've forgotten about your scumminess, bake. Ceko was an easier lynch yesterday and he was actively lying and spreading misinfo so he was more of a priority.

You're being more subtle about your bullshit but I see it.

Bake needs to go today and MM after.

MM is too intelligent and too good at FM to keep playing this "derr I didn't read good" card. He's scumpainting based on bullshit and subtlely trying to spread misinformation. He just used that excuse one too many times.

Bakermir

[FrostByte]

Ceko's fatal mistake was going too hard after me lmao that's why he got spammed into the dirt and didn't have a response.

No hard feelings, Ceko.

[FrostByte]

I believe Bruno was right about Gyrlander.

He was right about Zone, but wrong about me. 2/3 is pretty good.

Maybe Gyrl is scum but he's laying low and not having much of an impact so he's not a priority. We can clean him up after we get some of the more active trash out of the way.

[FrostByte]

@Mike (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=27614)

who is arsonist? who are koopas? who is survivor?


how the fuck were you so sure Martin was toad before ceko flip??


Why didn't you vote ceko earlier with MM?


dude you didn't even listen to others about getting doused but calling martin doused like what the fuck do you know???


@Mike (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=27614)

what do you think about Rene's vote on Gyrlander and @ at frost/bruno?????


What do you think about Gyr/MM voting bahkieh?

where is your read progression?


Kenny's LW states Martin/Gyr scum, Martin's LW states you are scum.

How are you so sure last wills are fake? koopas can only rb and kill or do another action and kill. they can't both corrupt lw and rb unless they rolled a 4th koopa from hidden any

like if you gonna TMI this much then at least explain your logic and read progression here

You're trying to get Mike all flustered lmfao

I applaud the effort but this is all word salad trash. Most of this shit is so irrelevant.

[bakermir]

Martins LW is old. Notice he had DM town PR in his reads as scum. So don’t give me this crap.

Also answer me this baker? Why the fuck would I a scum come out and hard push you???? Why if you where not scum and you flip town that would so outmyself. So explaine why Day ducking 2 would I as scum want to lynch you? How is that going to help my win con I would just pocket you.

Also you claiming I have TMI on Martin well let’s look at this if I was Mafia how the fuck would I have info TMI that Martian was town not Neutral?? So mafia team get info on who is town and who is neutral????

The only 2 posible roles Martian could be from logic was neutral or town with fires green check and fire was never CC as Marieo. And I knew I was doused. Meaning there was no wario to kill him. So please explaine how I would have TMI. Als I you tryed to get town to belive I was mafia team with Ceko ceko fliped neutral so who is my ducking partner now???baker you are so outed. By logic not I think.

ok where exactly Kenny is scumreading me from these quotes? HMMM???


I wasn't around for the most of that time and when I arrived zone was already gettin yeeted, why would you think scum!baker would go and behave in such way for a slot thats gonna get eliminated. I give a rats ass about my scum mates if I ever be scum, do you think I would be out here with idiots confidence and get myself in this situation?


Like you put frostbyte's comment there which has nothing to do with Kenny either lmao


I panicked there with your alignment and your tpr hunt and thats the reaction you get. Next time don't tpr hunt or paint targets on people if you rolled VT dude.



Because it doesn't matter if I get eliminated or not, the more flips we have the pool gets smaller. You literally don't give a fuck about who flips and that's fine usually NAI from you but you could at least try this game. If you weren't so obnoxious and voted ceko instead on D2 then we would have progressed further.

I personally didn't town clear neither Martin or FB on d2 or d3 because they weren't confirmed mechanically. You on the other hand did claim Martin/FB 100% town and accused me for pushing a ML on martin which is again false. YOu turn a blind eye to everything happening in this game and then put the blame on me. If you are not scum this game then I have no more words dude, just stop this nonsensical crap you have on me about EoD1.

You never claimed doused until d3 and you claimed Martin/FB town on d2 after claims. You were also sure on DM being town too when people had doubts on their claim. If you know every shit in this game then thats very well TMI coming from you




I never hard claimed you two are partners, I only called you both scum because of the mindless scumpainting and push coming from both of you and people refusing to acknowledge my point on Ceko's case where I questioned why CEKO is getting TR'd by almost everyone in this game while ceko doing non-town plays the whole time, wasn't that fuckin suspicious to any of you??

[bakermir]

Bake is trying soooo hard to derail lynch on them.

Don't think I've forgotten about your scumminess, bake. Ceko was an easier lynch yesterday and he was actively lying and spreading misinfo so he was more of a priority.

You're being more subtle about your bullshit but I see it.

Bake needs to go today and MM after.

MM is too intelligent and too good at FM to keep playing this "derr I didn't read good" card. He's scumpainting based on bullshit and subtlely trying to spread misinformation. He just used that excuse one too many times.

Bakermir


bring it on

[bakermir]

the moment I publicly mention a possiblity of frostbyte being scum here based on LAMIST posts and being a bystander, i get their vote.

I am on the right track here.

[Firebringer]

hello, i got roleblocked again.

scum keep giving no info kills.

[Mike]

Bake is trying soooo hard to derail lynch on them.

Don't think I've forgotten about your scumminess, bake. Ceko was an easier lynch yesterday and he was actively lying and spreading misinfo so he was more of a priority.

You're being more subtle about your bullshit but I see it.

Bake needs to go today and MM after.

MM is too intelligent and too good at FM to keep playing this "derr I didn't read good" card. He's scumpainting based on bullshit and subtlely trying to spread misinformation. He just used that excuse one too many times.

Bakermir

I am never lynching frost.

[Firebringer]

W H Y

What's up with people not explaining their votes??


Also:

- Fuck majority mushrooms, Voss is RIGHT
- Ceko played like town :( lynching him was bad
- If Ceko flipped as standard Toadstool, then someone else needs to have changed role
- Why is this thing still alive and why are people still pushing baker
Bahkieh

I kind of feel this vote. But at same time i wonder why.

[Firebringer]

the moment I publicly mention a possiblity of frostbyte being scum here based on LAMIST posts and being a bystander, i get their vote.

I am on the right track here.

it aint frost and mike.

if its one its mike doing the "protect the townie" thing.

Anyways..

I am not certain who to vote maybe i should parse my read list quick

[Firebringer]

Bake is trying soooo hard to derail lynch on them.

Don't think I've forgotten about your scumminess, bake. Ceko was an easier lynch yesterday and he was actively lying and spreading misinfo so he was more of a priority.

You're being more subtle about your bullshit but I see it.

Bake needs to go today and MM after.

MM is too intelligent and too good at FM to keep playing this "derr I didn't read good" card. He's scumpainting based on bullshit and subtlely trying to spread misinformation. He just used that excuse one too many times.

Bakermir

Random thought:
What if its MM and Mike

[Mike]

ok where exactly Kenny is scumreading me from these quotes? HMMM???


I wasn't around for the most of that time and when I arrived zone was already gettin yeeted, why would you think scum!baker would go and behave in such way for a slot thats gonna get eliminated. I give a rats ass about my scum mates if I ever be scum, do you think I would be out here with idiots confidence and get myself in this situation?


Like you put frostbyte's comment there which has nothing to do with Kenny either lmao


I panicked there with your alignment and your tpr hunt and thats the reaction you get. Next time don't tpr hunt or paint targets on people if you rolled VT dude.



Because it doesn't matter if I get eliminated or not, the more flips we have the pool gets smaller. You literally don't give a fuck about who flips and that's fine usually NAI from you but you could at least try this game. If you weren't so obnoxious and voted ceko instead on D2 then we would have progressed further.

I personally didn't town clear neither Martin or FB on d2 or d3 because they weren't confirmed mechanically. You on the other hand did claim Martin/FB 100% town and accused me for pushing a ML on martin which is again false. YOu turn a blind eye to everything happening in this game and then put the blame on me. If you are not scum this game then I have no more words dude, just stop this nonsensical crap you have on me about EoD1.

You never claimed doused until d3 and you claimed Martin/FB town on d2 after claims. You were also sure on DM being town too when people had doubts on their claim. If you know every shit in this game then thats very well TMI coming from you




I never hard claimed you two are partners, I only called you both scum because of the mindless scumpainting and push coming from both of you and people refusing to acknowledge my point on Ceko's case where I questioned why CEKO is getting TR'd by almost everyone in this game while ceko doing non-town plays the whole time, wasn't that fuckin suspicious to any of you??

Well duh I was doused NIGHT 2 Not night 1 I WAS DOUSED NIGHT 2. How can I claim doused brfore Day 3 ?????? please explaine that HOW IF I AM DOUSED NIGHT 2 With my Day 3 feedback from night 2. Last night I received NO feedback. Becuse I was not doused last night. And since I am Toad. If nothing happens to me I dont get feedback.

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR

NIGHT 1 NO FEEDBACK I AM TOAD.
NIGHT 2 Feedback "You were doused in an oily substance last night"
NIGHT 3 NO FEEDBACK I AM TOAD.

SO DUH I never claimed I was doused I untill D3.

Facts Day 1 DM claimed TOAD
Day 2 DM claimed his role changed meaning someone role changed Night 1. ( Warieo Shot and Missed making him Insane Wario) So no Evil Dasy.
Day 3 I was Doused. This is how I knew 100% Fire and Martian where cleared. NO ONE CC Fire. Fire had a Green check on Martian.

THIS IS CALLLED LOGIC NOT TMI BAKER!!!!!!!!!!