S-FM 313: Mushroom Kingdom Madness II

[Marshmallow Marshall]

who's ur towncore?

Bruno, you (not trying to pocket you lol). I like Mike too because of m e t a (his move to read me and his "trap" really look like town Mike's doing), but I'm not ready to towncore him because it's rather strongly based on meta, and therefore not strong enough.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

About scum losing control of the votes: Bowser was lynched by 8 players. It's rather obvious they had lost control (if they ever had it before). As for the "scum never control votes", hard disagree. Manipulating townies into voting with you is controlling the votes. That didn't happen much at EoD (there cannot be 8 bussers on the train lol).

[theoneceko]

Bruno, you (not trying to pocket you lol). I like Mike too because of m e t a (his move to read me and his "trap" really look like town Mike's doing), but I'm not ready to towncore him because it's rather strongly based on meta, and therefore not strong enough.

same, but not for the reason you stated. i'll post my wall as proof. it's based off of the info i got from pushing mike yesterday. unfortunately, day 1 ended early, so i couldn't switch my vote to someone more scummy.

[theoneceko]

Mike , just so we're clear, i never seriously thought u were a neutral. my vote on you was meant as a reaction test, and it yielded a lot of useful info. i've a list of examples to prove this:

1. zone said he thought you were a neutral (#1069 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898854&viewfull=1#post898854), #1093 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898878&viewfull=1#post898878), #1098 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898883&viewfull=1#post898883)).
2. gyr's response to u scumreading me was interesting:


Mike, if I'm correct you just told us how ceko was super confirmed Town and now that he scumreads you for reasons you consider weak you instantly say he's Mafia. This looks like an OMGUS, are you sure you are not just deciding with your heart?
i think gyrlander sounded too passive to be town here. i remember gyr questioning mike before this post, so by now i would've expected him to scumread mike. this post isn't enough for me to lock him as scum, but i'll keep an eye on him.

i kept my promise that i'd respond to this quote. check post #905 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898679&viewfull=1#post898679) to confirm.

3. dm noticed something wrong with gyr's post too (#932 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898711&viewfull=1#post898711)), but i'm not entirely sure if i should give dm townpoints for this. dm might've defended mike's slot just to gain town cred, and he's still lurking too much. in a setup with at least one confirmed alignment-checker, scum will try to lay low. zone's lynch proves this. he posted 47 times, which is almost twice as much as dark magician's 25 posts, but significantly less than mm, who is the next highest poster with 72 posts.
4. bake was the first to claim that u were neutral, and his persistence in lynching u yesterday looked almost too scummy for scum!baker to pull off. more on bake later.
5. your reaction to my push on you is similar to how i'd react if someone pushed me as town. +townpoints for you. i haven't locked you as town yet for one reason, but more on that later.
6. kenny and martin had a weird argument over you that i haven't bothered to analyze. i think their interaction was TvT, but it looked so complicated that i'll probably never articulate my gut feeling about it.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Ugh, ISOing Renegade is painful lol, the Bruno-Renegade saga is long...


Exactly! OH NO I'M DEFENDING YOU.

Burno is not very bright, so I think it is best to ignore him for a while.

Does that really come from SvS interactions? FrostByte

[Gyrlander]

Going to sleep, see you tomorrow.

[theoneceko]

Ugh, ISOing Renegade is painful lol, the Bruno-Renegade saga is long...



Does that really come from SvS interactions? FrostByte

okay this looks like bs though. LMAO

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Zone ain’t a noob.
He’s been playing FM for about 2 years.
But he’s bad at it.
He’s lost Town games before.


Zones an obvious ML.

Dark Magician Although I had similar views, I explained them. You didn't really do that. Can you clarify a bit on this, please?

[Bahkieh]

Also, I didn't receive any night feedback in case anyone was curious.

[FrostByte]

what a weird tunnel on mm. why start now?

Questioning someone's logic isn't tunneling them.

[Bruno]

theonceko and Marshmallow Marshall are koopa

marshmallow marshall

Renegade sorry bud. no hard feelings. lets win this game.

[FrostByte]

Ugh, ISOing Renegade is painful lol, the Bruno-Renegade saga is long...



Does that really come from SvS interactions? @FrostByte (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=3805)
If they were both scum he'd be hyper aware of interactions between his self and other scum, so having this thought could definitely be indicative of svs

If you're ISOing Renegade, look at all the potential interactions with Zone he specifically avoided. He knew he had avoided those interactions, which is why he took the bait to hard disagree in big letters when I suggested he had tied himself to Zone.

He was very aware of and confident in the fact that he hadn't tied himself to Zone because he put effort into not doing so.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

(Followed the link from Ceko's wall on Mike)

Eh... Ceko was answering a question you made, so it might as well be a scripted talk.

IYAM, out of all the posts that Ceko has written, the only one that made me doubt my scumread on him, would be when he voted Mike who was (and still is) the top Neutral suspect. Meanwhile, all I remember from you is your circular argument of "scum = scum" and nothing else.

--on a side note, there is literally a pool of three that nobody seems to be talking about; Firebringer, Whysper and Bahkieh. These three have been silent AFAICR and the only one who did something against this was Baker, who voted Whysper for a while before jumping off again to vote the most probable Neutral.

When I have time, I'll review Zone's ISO, because there are interesting things to get out of there. Tbh, seeing this and this:


You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.

Why would you think so?

Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to that?

I don't see why theoneceko doesn't towncore Mike at this point: this is hard evidence of Zone trying to take Mike down without getting his hands too dirty (and letting Ceko's get dirty instead). Mike is now towncore for me.

[FrostByte]

Renegade admitted he townread Bruno and then went on to vote him and thunderdome anyway. He's scum or gamethrowing town. Either way, he's not good to have around.

[theoneceko]

Questioning someone's logic isn't tunneling them.

u just picked some weird things to criticize. despite ur number of posts, u haven't contributed much to this game.

[Bruno]

2D: New Super Mario Bros (2006)
3D: Never played one AFAICR

...tbh, I think I like Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story the most.

fuck this asshole

[theoneceko]

theonceko and Marshmallow Marshall are koopa

marshmallow marshall

Renegade sorry bud. no hard feelings. lets win this game.

reasons???

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Questioning someone's logic isn't tunneling them.
You said that town should do the opposite of what I say because I was wrong on Zone. That's clearly out of the boundaries of "questioning someone's logic" :P.

theonceko and Marshmallow Marshall are koopa

marshmallow marshall

Renegade sorry bud. no hard feelings. lets win this game.

LOL how is Ceko scum?

[FrostByte]

u just picked some weird things to criticize. despite ur number of posts, u haven't contributed much to this game.

What are you talking about? He made some specific observations and I asked specific, probing questions. That isn't tunneling. Why are you defending MM so hard right now?

I've been contributing plenty. One could ask where this "weird tunneling" is coming from. Are you trying to tunnel me and projecting?

[FrostByte]

You definitely were. If you were so wrong then, why are you trying to steer town now? Wouldn't we be better off doing the opposite of what you say?

This is a question about your thoughts on the state of the game, not saying "town should do the opposite of what you say". Why are you being so sensitive about this?

[Bruno]

love how hard these two are defending themselves. obvious scum are obvious

[MartinGG99]

About scum losing control of the votes: Bowser was lynched by 8 players. It's rather obvious they had lost control (if they ever had it before). As for the "scum never control votes", hard disagree. Manipulating townies into voting with you is controlling the votes. That didn't happen much at EoD (there cannot be 8 bussers on the train lol).

Well, I mean, intentionally not controlling the votes, and voting someone you perceive will go down in the future

Is in a way or form of control. Like damage control.

[theoneceko]

is frost ur teammate? Bruno

just read the last 50 posts if the rest of you don't understand. there's a chance that bruno might've not read or thought about the setup and just charged in as powerwolf play. i can honestly see him doing this... for uh, reasons lol. it's unlikely, but still something to consider.

mm mirrored my thought processes at times BEFORE i posted them on the thread. part of me wonders if MM is a LHF (last time he was town, he got close to being lynched). if i rly was koopa, there's no way i would interact with mm like this. scum!ceko plays like a scared buWunny.

[theoneceko]

What are you talking about? He made some specific observations and I asked specific, probing questions. That isn't tunneling. Why are you defending MM so hard right now?

I've been contributing plenty. One could ask where this "weird tunneling" is coming from. Are you trying to tunnel me and projecting?

._.

ur either AtE'ing as scum or just genuinely ticked off as town. i think it's the latter, but u gotta realize u could've built a better case on mm.

[theoneceko]

ugh. my new playstyle allows me to get better reads, but it comes at the cost of me getting less townread.

[Bruno]

is frost ur teammate? Bruno

just read the last 50 posts if the rest of you don't understand. there's a chance that bruno might've not read or thought about the setup and just charged in as powerwolf play. i can honestly see him doing this... for uh, reasons lol. it's unlikely, but still something to consider.

mm mirrored my thought processes at times BEFORE i posted them on the thread. part of me wonders if MM is a LHF (last time he was town, he got close to being lynched). if i rly was koopa, there's no way i would interact with mm like this. scum!ceko plays like a scared buWunny.

youre a fucking moron and the fact you're concocting all these hypothetical situations just confirms to me how right i am. you and marshmallow are 100% the last remaining scum. suck my cock you worthless piece of shit

[Bruno]

ugh. my new playstyle allows me to get better reads, but it comes at the cost of me getting less townread.

this is a cringe ass fucking post. youre a dumb faggot. shut the fuck up, you dont get better reads. clearly. and you are not getting townread because YOURE SCUM. go FUCK YOURSELF.

theoneceko

marshmallow can wait. he at least shied away when i called him out. but ur faggot ass just jumped to #1

[theoneceko]

(Followed the link from Ceko's wall on Mike)


When I have time, I'll review Zone's ISO, because there are interesting things to get out of there. Tbh, seeing this and this:



I don't see why theoneceko doesn't towncore Mike at this point: this is hard evidence of Zone trying to take Mike down without getting his hands too dirty (and letting Ceko's get dirty instead). Mike is now towncore for me.

i said "more on that later" <-- referring to why i'm not towncoring mike

[Bruno]

ugh. my new playstyle allows me to get better reads, but it comes at the cost of me getting less townread.

i just killed zonefaggot11, your leader, and now im gonna kill your lame ass you fucking scumbag

[Bruno]

i said "more on that later" <-- referring to why i'm not towncoring mike

you address me when i speak to you, cocksuckin cunt. fuckin faggot. dumb piece of shit. you fucking troglodyte

[Bruno]

i had zoneq_11 pinned literally from day one. i was wrong about gyr n renegade, but i know for sure about you, faggot

[theoneceko]

youre a fucking moron and the fact you're concocting all these hypothetical situations just confirms to me how right i am. you and marshmallow are 100% the last remaining scum. suck my cock you worthless piece of shit

._.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

If they were both scum he'd be hyper aware of interactions between his self and other scum, so having this thought could definitely be indicative of svs

If you're ISOing Renegade, look at all the potential interactions with Zone he specifically avoided. He knew he had avoided those interactions, which is why he took the bait to hard disagree in big letters when I suggested he had tied himself to Zone.

He was very aware of and confident in the fact that he hadn't tied himself to Zone because he put effort into not doing so.

And he'd intentionally put that under the spotlight?

I looked at his ISO and nearly only saw Bruno-him thunderdome. If you want to make that point, please make it yourself, don't make me do the dirty work.

[theoneceko]

this is a cringe ass fucking post. youre a dumb faggot. shut the fuck up, you dont get better reads. clearly. and you are not getting townread because YOURE SCUM. go FUCK YOURSELF.

theoneceko

marshmallow can wait. he at least shied away when i called him out. but ur faggot ass just jumped to #1

idk what to say to this.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

i said "more on that later" <-- referring to why i'm not towncoring mike

Ok.

Bruno, stop insulting and start explaining.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

this is a cringe ass fucking post. youre a dumb faggot. shut the fuck up, you dont get better reads. clearly. and you are not getting townread because YOURE SCUM. go FUCK YOURSELF.

theoneceko

marshmallow can wait. he at least shied away when i called him out. but ur faggot ass just jumped to #1

UWU HEWWO!!!

[Bruno]

Ok.

Bruno, stop insulting and start explaining.

right. like i explained with zone. suck my fuckin dick, i know what i know and i know ceko is scum. you can either join the train or be confirmed 3rd scum when he flips red. quite simple. dont tell me how to speak. this is how i fuckin communicate. so stop discriminating you crusty dick, ugly ass, scrawny ass weak ass excuse of a kappa

[theoneceko]

i had zoneq_11 pinned literally from day one. i was wrong about gyr n renegade, but i know for sure about you, faggot

remember how i scumread zone at the beginning of day 1 too? and how later, i said:



i already have a pretty good idea of who scum are. others already scumread them, so it's not important for me to tunnel these players.


zone got lynched at end of day 1. idk if u factored this yet into ur scumread of me, but i wasn't present to vote zone bc banana turned the clock back without me knowing. u can also read the spoiler in my wall, if u haven't already, to confirm this.

[bakermir]

idk what to say to this.

vote your top scumread?

[bakermir]

MM you are incredible, refused to acknowledge zone and ceko's scummy stance d1 and still do so

[Bruno]

remember how i scumread zone at the beginning of day 1 too? and how later, i said:



zone got lynched at end of day 1. idk if u factored this yet into ur scumread of me, but i wasn't present to vote zone bc banana turned the clock back without me knowing. u can also read the spoiler in my wall, if u haven't already, to confirm this.

frankly i dont give a singular fuck what you have to say. you're scum. eat my shit.i explicitly stated zone was scum. you were too pussy to do that, instead u just said Me AnD bRuNo mInDmElDeD uWu like a faggot. took a partial stance and didnt say jack shit. you were just trying to pocket me. go fuck yourself.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

What are you talking about? He made some specific observations and I asked specific, probing questions. That isn't tunneling. Why are you defending MM so hard right now?

I've been contributing plenty. One could ask where this "weird tunneling" is coming from. Are you trying to tunnel me and projecting?

Your interventions against me are weird. The post where you attacked my statement that we should follow Kenny's LW literally took an explaination, colored it differently from what it was explaining, and then made both the explaination and the explained statement look random and based on nothing. Although I get I'm biased because I'm the one being pushed, this is a bad push.

[Bruno]

MM you are incredible, refused to acknowledge zone and ceko's scummy stance d1 and still do so

theyre both retarded as fuck. clearly both are last scum. vote ceko pls?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

right. like i explained with zone. suck my fuckin dick, i know what i know and i know ceko is scum. you can either join the train or be confirmed 3rd scum when he flips red. quite simple. dont tell me how to speak. this is how i fuckin communicate. so stop discriminating you crusty dick, ugly ass, scrawny ass weak ass excuse of a kappa

KappaPride ok, not voting with you lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

MM you are incredible, refused to acknowledge zone and ceko's scummy stance d1 and still do so

Quotes.

[Bruno]

Your interventions against me are weird. The post where you attacked my statement that we should follow Kenny's LW literally took an explaination, colored it differently from what it was explaining, and then made both the explaination and the explained statement look random and based on nothing. Although I get I'm biased because I'm the one being pushed, this is a bad push.

i was pushing u mid day day 1. dont act like it aint nothing new. and every time i gave u a read or otherwise called u out, u ignored to post some faggot weeaboo UwU type shit. suck my cock youre scum like ceko.

[Bruno]

KappaPride ok, not voting with you lol

of course you wouldnt vote with me, you're kappa you dense fuck

[Bruno]

Quotes.

you dont remember what you said? yes you do. you just want him to prepare your defense for you when others start pressuring you. youre a sad excuse of a player.

[Bruno]

MM you are incredible, refused to acknowledge zone and ceko's scummy stance d1 and still do so

ignore him. you dont need to find quotes.i said the exact same thing yesterday. he and zone both flatout ignored any posts calling them scummy

[FrostByte]

u gotta realize u could've built a better case on mm.

If I was trying to build a case I'd build a solid one. I told you I wasn't tunneling him but you ignored that and continued as if I had never said it. That's odd. Are you tunneling me?

Why are you defending MM so hard?

[Bruno]

everybody please vote for theoneceko to lock in as town friendly

[FrostByte]

if i rly was koopa, there's no way i would interact with mm like this. scum!ceko plays like a scared buWunny.

or you're WIFOMing because I'm asking questions

[Bruno]

If I was trying to build a case I'd build a solid one. I told you I wasn't tunneling him but you ignored that and continued as if I had never said it. That's odd. Are you tunneling me?

Why are you defending MM so hard?

pls switch ur vote to theoneceko from renegade. renegade might be autistic, but i think he's townier than mm or ceko

[Bruno]

Bahkieh bakermir hey yall if you could vote theoneceko instead of lurking id appreciate it

[bakermir]

ignore him. you dont need to find quotes.i said the exact same thing yesterday. he and zone both flatout ignored any posts calling them scummy

can we vote MM first? ceko might still be learning to not drink any wine


Marshmallow Marshall

[FrostByte]

this is a bad push.

You're not retarded, so I'm not sure why I'm having to explain this for the 3rd time -

IT'S NOT A FUCKING PUSH

STOP FEELING SO FUCKING PERSECUTED BECAUSE I ASKED A FEW SPECIFIC QUESTIONS

CALM YOUR TIDDIES

WHY ARE YOU SO SENSITIVE

[Bruno]

marshmallow marshall

okay

[Bruno]

You're not retarded, so I'm not sure why I'm having to explain this for the 3rd time -

IT'S NOT A FUCKING PUSH

STOP FEELING SO FUCKING PERSECUTED BECAUSE I ASKED A FEW SPECIFIC QUESTIONS

CALM YOUR TIDDIES

WHY ARE YOU SO SENSITIVE

vote for marshmallow marshall

[bakermir]

If I was trying to build a case I'd build a solid one. I told you I wasn't tunneling him but you ignored that and continued as if I had never said it. That's odd. Are you tunneling me?

Why are you defending MM so hard?

coz he is koopa defending a possible 3P/koopa


and if MM is town TPR then fuck that shit

[FrostByte]

pls switch ur vote to theoneceko from renegade. renegade might be autistic, but i think he's townier than mm or ceko

I don't wanna turbolynch.

[Bruno]

I don't wanna turbolynch.

marshmallow marshall

[Bruno]

mm l-5

[Firebringer]

What up everyone

[Firebringer]

N1 Bruno is Town

[Firebringer]

I did my part. What did you guys do last night?

[FrostByte]

okay fuck it then. The way Ceko and MM reacted just now is real fucked.

Marshmallow Marshall

Why are you being so sensitive? Answer the fucking question. Truthfully.

[FrostByte]

N1 Bruno is Town

That is a complete fucking waste of either a night action or a claim. He bussed the fuck out of GF yesterday, no shit he's town.

[Bruno]

I did my part. What did you guys do last night?

please vote for Marshmallow Marshall. dont gamethrow like u did in that fm.

[Firebringer]

That is a complete fucking waste of either a night action or a claim. He bussed the fuck out of GF yesterday, no shit he's town.

Some people such as myself are slow.

[Firebringer]

please vote for Marshmallow Marshall. dont gamethrow like u did in that fm.

Idk my dude. Gamethrowing sounds more fun. What if MM is town? then I should vote him. Right?

[bakermir]

Marshmallow Marshall


we got 2 tpr claims

are you gonna claim tpr or embrace your yeet?

[FrostByte]

@Marshmallow Marshall (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=29377)


we got 2 tpr claims

are you gonna claim tpr or embrace your yeet?

If I'm not mistaken, those are two separate Mario claims lmfao

[Firebringer]

okay wait let me change my claim.

N1 MartinG Town.

[FrostByte]

okay wait let me change my claim.

N1 MartinG Town.

So you're purposely discrediting yourself? I don't follow.

[Firebringer]

Marshmellow if u dont come in here and meme i am going to vote u.

[Firebringer]

So you're purposely discrediting yourself? I don't follow.

I had credibility to begin with?

[FrostByte]

I had credibility to begin with?

You had 0. Now you have negative.

[Firebringer]

You had 0. Now you have negative.

Perfect.

[Bruno]

firebringer u can go ahead and stop posting. didnt realize what a faggot you are. no wonder mateo hated you

[Firebringer]

firebringer u can go ahead and stop posting. didnt realize what a faggot you are. no wonder mateo hated you

who the fuck is mateo. is that one of your fuck buddies?

[Renegade]

Renegade admitted he townread Bruno and then went on to vote him and thunderdome anyway. He's scum or gamethrowing town. Either way, he's not good to have around.

WHERE ARE THE TEN POSTS THAT INCRIMINATE ME BECAUSE OF BOWSER FLIP?

[FrostByte]

WHERE ARE THE TEN POSTS THAT INCRIMINATE ME BECAUSE OF BOWSER FLIP?

Read the thread, dingus

[Bahkieh]

Lmao mateo, that's a fucking name I haven't seen in a long ass to.e.

Marshmallow Marshall

[Firebringer]

Lmao mateo, that's a fucking name I haven't seen in a long ass to.e.

Marshmallow Marshall

why MM

[Bahkieh]

why MM

I follow our fearless leader Bruno

[Firebringer]

I follow our fearless leader Bruno

boring

[Firebringer]

Bakermir

[Firebringer]

Dude, No one hunted you are just brodcasting you are Mario. I am like dude even a Blind Mafia can tell what you are claiming. So Protection on Baker tonight. Calll me scum for outing you but you outed yourself. at lest we can ask for any porotetive rolls on you at least.

When you RNG PR stop acting scummy and stop outing your role I mean for real man. In sprits I did not care becuse I was scum but this game I am a bit anoyed

if it aint baker, its def this guy

[FrostByte]

if it aint baker, its def this guy

y tho

[Firebringer]

y tho

because baker "this guy is PR hunting!" was super scummy trying to look like he is being useful to the town when he isn't. Was bs. The scumhunting in his whoel iso is just so much bs. I don't believe any of it was genuine hunting for scum.

[Dark Magician]

Someone was converted last night.
I’m not Toad anymore. I can confirm myself tonight.

[Dark Magician]

Dry Bones
You receive the "Toad" role card initially
If any player changes alignment or a Koopa dies, you receive your true rolecard of Dry Bones.
If you die before this happens, you will show up as Toad in the graveyard
You can protect one player at night. You are still aligned with the Mushroom Kingdom
You can also change your Alignment to Koopa at any time.




-thought I’d make this role for shits and giggles.
I’ll Claim this as my role because lol.

I still don’t rescind.

[Dark Magician]

First person to reply to this post here.
I’ll Sheep them.

[Firebringer]

First person to reply to this post here.
I’ll Sheep them.

ok

[MartinGG99]

._.

ur either AtE'ing as scum or just genuinely ticked off as town. i think it's the latter, but u gotta realize u could've built a better case on mm.

At first I wondered if this was possible scum TMI on Frost being town, but I looked through theoneceko's ISO and it seems like he reasonably thought Frost was town early on:


u both realize how quickly frostbyte corrected himself, right? if he posted the correction much later, i'd see it as scummy because by then town would've already discussed his quote.

in conclusion, bad read by ren and bad VOTE by zone. inb4 either of these players start saying i'm on a scum team w frost.


what a weird thing to comment on. i can't tell for sure if ur town or scum yet, but what i know for sure is that you're starting to tunnel/scumpaint frost.

rn i'm thinking that ur scum trying to scumpaint frost.

And tbh gut is saying ceko is town here for relatively keeping that consistency, especially since part of it was in relationship to Zone.

I get the feeling if he's scum he would be implying that Frost is actually scum, rather than just commenting on Frost's play and suggesting another way of approaching it.

Now with regards to the current Marshmallow Marshall vote, I don't know if he's scum or town yet even though theoneceko has said that MM has been mirroring some of Ceko's thoughts.

I need to look into Marshmallow Marshall more.

[Dark Magician]

ok

Bakermir

[Dark Magician]

I’m confirmed after tonight so IDC.

[bakermir]

First person to reply to this post here.
I’ll Sheep them.

protect me tonight.


we are getting MM and ceko

then we can take a look at tunnelbringer

[Firebringer]

protect me tonight.


we are getting MM and ceko

then we can take a look at tunnelbringer
this is first time ive voted u.

[Dark Magician]

Can Mario claim who they targeted?
Probably Daisy.

Like either Mario targeted Daisy or Mario was converted into Lover with Toadstool

[bakermir]

this is first time ive voted u.


yawn

[Dark Magician]

Wario could have also became Arsonist.
That’s also possible.

[Dark Magician]

Dark Magician Although I had similar views, I explained them. You didn't really do that. Can you clarify a bit on this, please?

The way the game state was it was more probable ML.
Still don’t rescind that.
Luckily it wasn’t, but it could have been.

[Dark Magician]

Bahkieh bakermir hey yall if you could vote theoneceko instead of lurking id appreciate it

Firebringer says Baker.
Convince Firebringer you Convince me.

[BananaCucho]

remember how i scumread zone at the beginning of day 1 too? and how later, i said:



zone got lynched at end of day 1. idk if u factored this yet into ur scumread of me, but i wasn't present to vote zone bc banana turned the clock back without me knowing. u can also read the spoiler in my wall, if u haven't already, to confirm this.

This is why I referenced the exact time (4 PM MDT) when starting day, I can't help weird differences in Daylight Savings that happen this time of year

[MartinGG99]

I've looked through MM's ISO, and here's a few things that stood out to me ////// a thought dump by me:



Bruno reminds me of Seth (Dark Magician), but then without any profanity restraints.

As for the second line: Meh. I'd rather be weak than lose my sanity from this game.


Hey. If you remember the bad stuff, can you do me a favor and kill me if you are mafia? I am not exactly fond of this site, and I kinda regret taking Seth's offer to play here.

Can you do me a favor and talk to an absolutely reasonable person (Me!!!) in a reasonable manner?

Do you think what Bruno does is alignment indicative at all, or are you just jumping around?

This actually looks bad fmpov. While MM could be doing this because, well, he's the head moderator here; I'm not sure if I should give him the exception here because I really wouldn't give that exception to the usual forum mafia player.




You are correct about one part: I am lazy. I don't know whether I am right or wrong, nor do I care.

I am curious why you used "entitled" though. That word is so rare to me that I had to google what it means in the first place.
It seems like this place is a good place for toxicity, and if I'm right, then I am going to enjoy my time here alright.

if ur lazy, why did u google what "entitled" means? seems like you're a) subtly scumpainting frost for a random word b) trying to come off as aloof when u actually aren't

Spoiler alert!
it's b)

Good catch. Now do you have a conclusion on his alignment, considering this along with his attitude?

This doesn't seem like something a town would always say. And in light of the past post (listed above) it doesn't look good to me.


(this is a reply to my call to PL Bruno)


This is typical Renegade and I like it.


Also, unless Bruno is an actual alien who plays completely differently from everything I've seen, he is a disgruntled townie wanting to spice things up, but absolutely not a scum trying to get any credible lynches lmao.

I can see arguments being made for two sides here: He's scummy for TMI'ing Bruno as town here, or he's just presuming Bruno is town on the basis of playing so differently.



By the way, Kenny makes sense from a town PoV, but my gut tells me to stay alert. Either way, I'm probably not lynching him today.

Conclusion before I go off:


:town:

Cekowo for followable and very genuine-looking thought process in scumhunting
REEEEnegade for being his usual REEEE self and for making a lot of sense from a tunnelly town PoV (which he very often has as town); already explained that in previous posts btw

ZoneQ11 for at least trying to be useful and because m e t a
Bruno because bruh no (if he's scum, he's doing one hell of a poor job lol, he has zero credibility and is basically lynch fodder, which is not a position scum want to put themselves in, ever)

THE PART WHERE MY GUT TELLS ME TO NOT TRUST THEM BUT LOGIC TELLS ME TO DO IT:
Kenny
Gyrlander (I don't see any reason not to trust him outside of meta and of my fear of getting gyr-rolled again...)

~~ NULL LINE ~~

Martin because he pokes at people but doesn't get himself really involved in anything outside of his own defense; a significant part of his activity is about defending himself and providing meta about himself, be it by request or not (gyr asked once, but he also proposed to link past games by himself)

Non-existent hard scumreads

:scum:

I also like Baker for his tone, but idk where to place him in my ranking.


He basically has no scum reads except for me. And when there's an opportunity to have some, he says this:



I guess I was utterly wrong about Zone. Oops. I think Kenny's last will makes sense and that we maybe should follow it. Scum had lost control over the votes at EoD, so Martin could very well be scum (and I still stand by my D1 opinion on this), and Gyr... idk, it's possible, although I'm less sold than on Martin.

And this interaction occurs:






I guess I was utterly wrong about Zone. Oops. I think Kenny's last will makes sense and that we maybe should follow it. Scum had lost control over the votes at EoD, so Martin could very well be scum (and I still stand by my D1 opinion on this), and Gyr... idk, it's possible, although I'm less sold than on Martin.



You definitely were. If you were so wrong then, why are you trying to steer town now? Wouldn't we be better off doing the opposite of what you say?

Vague. Why?

Why are you talking about Martin and Gyr specifically?
So because I was wrong, I should just sit in a corner and not say what I think? Pssh. You're free not to listen to me, and I'm free to participate to the game (and I will do it). It'd even be anti-town not to do it lol. Ad hominems (because that's what you're doing atm) do not work in a context where we're looking for the objective truth.

Red and yellow: I'm talking about Martin and Gyr because they're the two other scum according to Kenny's last will; the part in yellow explains the part in red, so the part in red is not vague: I just explained it.

And honestly? It kinda feels like MM has made himself obvious here. He doesn't say that he's (seemingly) sheeping scum reads because he doesn't have any current good scum-reads.

In which case, why is it these reads that he's sheeping? As far as I've seen he hasn't sheeped any reads from any living players so far. So why Kenny's once he's dead?

[theoneceko]

frankly i dont give a singular fuck what you have to say. you're scum. eat my shit.i explicitly stated zone was scum. you were too pussy to do that, instead u just said Me AnD bRuNo mInDmElDeD uWu like a faggot. took a partial stance and didnt say jack shit. you were just trying to pocket me. go fuck yourself.

a lot of ppl townread u, what makes u think i'm pocketing you?

[MartinGG99]

I have a few more thoughts about MM, but I can't really put them together.

I think he's a reasonable suspect at the very least.

Provided there isn't anything else for the rest of D2 (which is unlikely), then my vote would be on Marshmallow Marshall.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Marshmallow Marshall


we got 2 tpr claims

are you gonna claim tpr or embrace your yeet?

I'm not gonna claim and you're not gonna turbo me. You're also gonna explain why the fuck I should be lynched, and same goes for Bahkieh who came out of nowhere and sheeped this super smelly wagon.

[Mike]

Scum never had control over votes. They don't have majority. Why would you assume that they did have control over votes at some point? And at what point do you think they lost control of votes?

Wouldn’t it make sence to go on the one who tryed to hard stead away from votes on him Baker???

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The way the game state was it was more probable ML.
Still don’t rescind that.
Luckily it wasn’t, but it could have been.

That is a politician's reply lol. It means nothing...

[Mike]

Marshmallow Marshall (4 [L-3]):
Bruno, FrostByte, bakermir, Bahkieh
bakermir (2 [L-5]):
Firebringer, Dark Magician

Baker is on the MM vote only ones I trust is Bruno (poor Kenny assholes I told you Kenny was town) and frost.

[Mike]

a lot of ppl townread u, what makes u think i'm pocketing you?

Dude if you want it pocket Bruno call him an asshole.

[theoneceko]

If I was trying to build a case I'd build a solid one. I told you I wasn't tunneling him but you ignored that and continued as if I had never said it. That's odd. Are you tunneling me?

Why are you defending MM so hard?

no.
i'm not. i said that mm was "in a precarious position." in other words, i'm waiting for SOMETHING from him before deciding if i'll lynch him or not:


rene is worth a re-read. i still think he's townier than mm though.

mm has a good point about gyr and martin (i worked on a wall yesterday that i'll post soon), but he's in a precarious position rn.

:^)

and pls, read what i write before making such crude statements...


is frost ur teammate? Bruno

just read the last 50 posts if the rest of you don't understand. there's a chance that bruno might've not read or thought about the setup and just charged in as powerwolf play. i can honestly see him doing this... for uh, reasons lol. it's unlikely, but still something to consider.

mm mirrored my thought processes at times BEFORE i posted them on the thread. part of me wonders if MM is a LHF (last time he was town, he got close to being lynched). if i rly was koopa, there's no way i would interact with mm like this. scum!ceko plays like a scared buWunny.

[theoneceko]

Dude if you want it pocket Bruno call him an asshole.
Bruno fuck u asshole suck my dick

[theoneceko]

it's hilarious that ppl are calling me koopa. WHY WOULD I POWERWOLF WHEN WE HAVE MARIO AND A POSSIBLE SECOND ALIGNMENT-CHECKER???

[Renegade]

Marshmallow Marshall (4 [L-3]):
Bruno, FrostByte, bakermir, Bahkieh
bakermir (2 [L-5]):
Firebringer, Dark Magician

Baker is on the MM vote only ones I trust is Bruno (poor Kenny assholes I told you Kenny was town) and frost.

I feel like only the killer would say something goofy like this.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I've looked through MM's ISO, and here's a few things that stood out to me ////// a thought dump by me:

This actually looks bad fmpov. While MM could be doing this because, well, he's the head moderator here; I'm not sure if I should give him the exception here because I really wouldn't give that exception to the usual forum mafia player.

This doesn't seem like something a town would always say. And in light of the past post (listed above) it doesn't look good to me.

I can see arguments being made for two sides here: He's scummy for TMI'ing Bruno as town here, or he's just presuming Bruno is town on the basis of playing so differently.

He basically has no scum reads except for me. And when there's an opportunity to have some, he says this:

And this interaction occurs:

And honestly? It kinda feels like MM has made himself obvious here. He doesn't say that he's (seemingly) sheeping scum reads because he doesn't have any current good scum-reads.

In which case, why is it these reads that he's sheeping? As far as I've seen he hasn't sheeped any reads from any living players so far. So why Kenny's once he's dead?

Because Kenny is a flipped townie, unlike literally all of you lol? Also, I'm not straight up sheeping Kenny: as you know since you literally quoted my list of reads, I scumread you BEFORE Kenny's flip and had a bad feeling about Gyr (although less than about you, and this is still true atm).

~~

Me trying to reasonably talk to Zone is only me trying to be nice and to get a good convo going with someone I believed to be wrongly suspected. Nothing to do with me being staff (like literally everything I do that does not explicitely have an "acting as staff" sticker), and you definetly shouldn't read me based on that, ever. However, you definetly can and perhaps should read me based on what I guess could be described as my personality.

~~

Bruno makes no sense to put as scum. That's not TMI or a mistake, it's just right lol.

[Mike]

I feel like only the killer would say something goofy like this.

Roflol. Here we go for round 2. I am at the point I don’t care. When the day 1 lynch town is in a verry solid spot. Rene are you paranoid or something trying to move the heat on someone else????

[Whysper]

Okay, it's a pain to go through all those past messages, so not going to bother. I caught up on the recent ones. I see that the main lynches are between Ceko and MM. Ceko made that comment about changing gameplay and now being harder to townread. That sounds like a scummy excuse. Is the case against MM that he defended Zone? Or something more than that?

[Renegade]

Roflol. Here we go for round 2. I am at the point I don’t care. When the day 1 lynch town is in a verry solid spot. Rene are you paranoid or something trying to move the heat on someone else????

Nope. the heat isn't even on me

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Okay, it's a pain to go through all those past messages, so not going to bother. I caught up on the recent ones. I see that the main lynches are between Ceko and MM. Ceko made that comment about changing gameplay and now being harder to townread. That sounds like a scummy excuse. Is the case against MM that he defended Zone? Or something more than that?

That's the only half-valid point I could see being made against me, but it seems people aren't even making that point, so ?????? please answer that, voters.

[bakermir]

Okay, it's a pain to go through all those past messages, so not going to bother. I caught up on the recent ones. I see that the main lynches are between Ceko and MM. Ceko made that comment about changing gameplay and now being harder to townread. That sounds like a scummy excuse. Is the case against MM that he defended Zone? Or something more than that?

Yeah, pretty much.

MM was pinging slightly together with ceko during SoD and it just got worse rest of D1. SoD2 is quite telling too when it comes to two. There is a small chance we might have a town flip due to meta of both players but I highly doubt that this game..

#878 #879 #899 #902 #904 #906 #913 and onwards, these posts are quite telling when it comes to tone and alignment..

From these posts in order > you can see the fluff reads provided by MM(scummy), Zone's tone(scum) when talking to MM(TMI tone?) and then to Gyrlander(opposing tone). Mike's testing the waters and Gyrlander's reaction(town tone).

Soon after those posts, I announced I will be voting MM on D2 until I get a claim from him.


MM isn't towny at all and I don't know why doesn't he claim his role so we can actually move forward here.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Because Kenny is a flipped townie, unlike literally all of you lol? Also, I'm not straight up sheeping Kenny: as you know since you literally quoted my list of reads, I scumread you BEFORE Kenny's flip and had a bad feeling about Gyr (although less than about you, and this is still true atm).

~~

Me trying to reasonably talk to Zone is only me trying to be nice and to get a good convo going with someone I believed to be wrongly suspected. Nothing to do with me being staff (like literally everything I do that does not explicitely have an "acting as staff" sticker), and you definetly shouldn't read me based on that, ever. However, you definetly can and perhaps should read me based on what I guess could be described as my personality.

~~

Bruno makes no sense to put as scum. That's not TMI or a mistake, it's just right lol.

And by the way, Martin's accusations don't seem honest. He's literally taking everything I did and basing far-fetched scumtells on it...

MartinGG99 forgot to vote him earlier

[theoneceko]

Okay, it's a pain to go through all those past messages, so not going to bother. I caught up on the recent ones. I see that the main lynches are between Ceko and MM. Ceko made that comment about changing gameplay and now being harder to townread. That sounds like a scummy excuse. Is the case against MM that he defended Zone? Or something more than that?

i used to be extremely tunnelly as town, but i became more passive so i could reaction-test people. imo, reaction-testing is a better way to catch scum.

[theoneceko]

i used to be extremely tunnelly as town, but i became more passive so i could reaction-test people. imo, reaction-testing is a better way to catch scum.

read the wall i directed at mike for more info. my vote on mike basically outed zone as scum because of the way zone reacted. too bad i wasn't actually present at eod to point this out.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Yeah, pretty much.

MM was pinging slightly together with ceko during SoD and it just got worse rest of D1. SoD2 is quite telling too when it comes to two. There is a small chance we might have a town flip due to meta of both players but I highly doubt that this game..

#878 #879 #899 #902 #904 #906 #913 and onwards, these posts are quite telling when it comes to tone and alignment..

From these posts in order > you can see the fluff reads provided by MM(scummy), Zone's tone(scum) when talking to MM(TMI tone?) and then to Gyrlander(opposing tone). Mike's testing the waters and Gyrlander's reaction(town tone).

Soon after those posts, I announced I will be voting MM on D2 until I get a claim from him.


MM isn't towny at all and I don't know why doesn't he claim his role so we can actually move forward here.

Fluff reads? Wtf? You're gonna say my townreads backed by what happened in the game is fluff? Well, it's surely better than calling me scum for.... ???

Shouldn't TMI tone from Zone towards me, if it existed, CLEAR me instead of making me look bad???

I'm not going to claim for a shit case in the first half of the day in a setup that has literal alignment-changing roles based on specific roles dying or being checked. And if I get turbolynched for that, well my voters are dumb lol.

[bakermir]

I'm not gonna claim and you're not gonna turbo me. You're also gonna explain why the fuck I should be lynched, and same goes for Bahkieh who came out of nowhere and sheeped this super smelly wagon.

no ones' turbo you here, i am capable of unvoting and voting at important moments.

you didn't even place a serious vote on anyone dude..

[Mike]

Let’s make this interesting first one to L1 I will hammer idgaf. Lol I am loving this shit. Key is only if Bruno is on the train and frost. If they are both not on it I am not going to hammer. This game has just gotten easy. Hammer time. Baby hammer time. Hell you can even mislynch me and town will still win lol hammer time.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

okay fuck it then. The way Ceko and MM reacted just now is real fucked.

Marshmallow Marshall

Why are you being so sensitive? Answer the fucking question. Truthfully.

Sensitive...? I replied to your "questioning". You said people should not listen to me because I was wrong on Zone. I'm saying that's bullshit. The end.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

N1 Bruno is Town

... you're kidding right? :(:(((((((

[Marshmallow Marshall]

no ones' turbo you here, i am capable of unvoting and voting at important moments.

you didn't even place a serious vote on anyone dude..

If you looked at the vote count instead of saying false stuff about me, you could see I'm voting Martin. And I voted Kenny seriously yesterday before realizing he was likely town and unvoting.

[Renegade]

Let’s make this interesting first one to L1 I will hammer idgaf. Lol I am loving this shit. Key is only if Bruno is on the train and frost. If they are both not on it I am not going to hammer. This game has just gotten easy. Hammer time. Baby hammer time. Hell you can even mislynch me and town will still win lol hammer time.

Omfg, this shit again.

[bakermir]

And by the way, Martin's accusations don't seem honest. He's literally taking everything I did and basing far-fetched scumtells on it...

MartinGG99 forgot to vote him earlier


Martin is never scum.

Did you even read the game when Kenny almost got Martin lynched? I was ready to vote out Martin up until that moment and I asked him role+vote and he actually claimed his role and placed a vote on Bowser.


So you claim Martin did that on purpose and not genuine???


YOu claim nothing + vote on Martin


How am I gonna trust you???

[Mike]

Omfg, this shit again.

I would love to see your and bakers flip.

[bakermir]

Martin can't be scum

if he is scum then gg to him if he gets out of this game alive

[Mike]

Martin is never scum.

Did you even read the game when Kenny almost got Martin lynched? I was ready to vote out Martin up until that moment and I asked him role+vote and he actually claimed his role and placed a vote on Bowser.

So you claim Martin did that on purpose and not genuine???


YOu claim nothing + vote on Martin


How am I gonna trust you???

Did you not see last game where’s Martin did the exact same to his partner MM. roflol

[MartinGG99]

I scumread you BEFORE Kenny's flip and had a bad feeling about Gyr (although less than about you, and this is still true atm).

(I am presuming that you meant you scum-read me more than Gyrlander given your vote on me; and not the other way around)

If you don't trust kenny's read on Gyr's, then why trust his on me?

This statement from you earlier makes it looks like you're going to try and follow it to the letter:


I think Kenny's last will makes sense and that we maybe should follow it.

...Regardless of whatever you said elsewhere in that paragraph of yours.

I mean, if you're going to follow Kenny because he's right on me

But not follow him because you think he's possibly wrong on Gyrlander

Then there would have been no reason for you to make such a sentence in the quote above; especially since Zone is dead.

It's like....(I may not be wording this correctly) saying Zone's scum flip adds Ethos to your argument that I am scum; But that's problematic because Kenny's arguments in the past have suggested that part of his scum-reads were based on the confidence that all 3 (Zone, Martin, and Gyrlander) are scum:


I based my scumteam around gyro

Its like attaching Kenney's argument to your own to your own advantage, but also detaching from it by not committing to the fact that Kenney believed Gyrlander is scum but you are in doubt of that.

[bakermir]

Did you not see last game where’s Martin did the exact same to his partner MM. roflol

DUDE

if he is scum, how is he gonna win in a 15p game by lynching bowser day 1?

[Mike]

Martin can't be scum

if he is scum then gg to him if he gets out of this game alive

That is what I said about him last game but he is not my top lynch you are. The way you hard defended zone.

This is my issue. I also hard town read zone even called him my top town. But when Bruno made his case agent him. I stoped and whet hmmmm. Wait that makes sence wow I may be wrong. Bruno made a lot of hard facts ageist Zone. You read everything that is just you. And you still Hard defended him all the way to the end. That does not add up. I will bet my life that you are his partner. And don’t give me crap that you hammered you had no choice.

bakermir I will bet anything you flip scum. I would love to see 2 scum flips in a row.

[MartinGG99]

Marshmallow Marshall (4 [L-3]):
Bruno, FrostByte, bakermir, Bahkieh
bakermir (3 [L-4]):
Firebringer, Dark Magician, Mike
MartinGG99 (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall

[bakermir]

Its like attaching Kenney's argument to your own to your own advantage, but also detaching from it by not committing to the fact that Kenney believed Gyrlander is scum but you are in doubt of that.


fuckin right


i am glad I town called gyr there and pushed you for vote and role. look how that snowballed zone's yeet before eod. kenny almost had you ML'd because he got mislead after his exchanges with MM

[bakermir]

That is what I said about him last game but he is not my top lynch you are. The way you hard defended zone.

This is my issue. I also hard town read zone even called him my top town. But when Bruno made his case agent him. I stoped and whet hmmmm. Wait that makes sence wow I may be wrong. Bruno made a lot of hard facts ageist Zone. You read everything that is just you. And you still Hard defended him all the way to the end. That does not add up. I will bet my life that you are his partner. And don’t give me crap that you hammered you had no choice.

bakermir I will bet anything you flip scum. I would love to see 2 scum flips in a row.



L O L MIKE 3P

[Mike]

DUDE

if he is scum, how is he gonna win in a 15p game by lynching bowser day 1?

In a 9 player setup with only 2 scum how is he supposed to win lynching the PR scum role? Same exact thing

[MartinGG99]

Marshmallow Marshall (4 [L-3]):
Bruno, FrostByte, bakermir, Bahkieh
bakermir (3 [L-4]):
Firebringer, Dark Magician, Mike
MartinGG99 (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall

Btw I would vote MM

But he's at L-3 and I'm not in the mood to waste 43 hours of possible town discussion.

[Mike]

L O L MIKE 3P

Why does all scum keep calling me 3p lol. Let’s look at this is it in the 3p interest to lynch the scum ummm no why not because then town will hunt 3p. So ummm I think your theory about me is a fail. Roflol hell I will take it one step more.

If baker flips town make me auto lynch tomorrow. Baker is mafia. Now please explain how if I am 3p can I win here?

[bakermir]

L O L MIKE 3P

or when I think about it, could very well be scum member.



I don't see town mike being like this, EVER!


scum mike = liar


town mike = solve

[Mike]

Btw I would vote MM

But he's at L-3 and I'm not in the mood to waste 43 hours of possible town discussion.


Vote him I will be the hammer vote. But I would prefer baker but I am ok with MM also lol

[Mike]

or when I think about it, could very well be scum member.



I don't see town mike being like this, EVER!


scum mike = liar


town mike = solve

Now I am scum roflol. You are to funny. Keep it comming.

[bakermir]

Now I am scum roflol. You are to funny. Keep it comming.

LMAO

your title should change to TROLL or LIAR

[Whysper]

#878 #879 #899 #902 #904 #906 #913 and onwards, these posts are quite telling when it comes to tone and alignment..

From these posts in order > you can see the fluff reads provided by MM(scummy), Zone's tone(scum) when talking to MM(TMI tone?) and then to Gyrlander(opposing tone). Mike's testing the waters and Gyrlander's reaction(town tone).

I went back to look through those posts. As I was going through them and earlier posts, I also saw this interaction between Ceko and MM.


mm just told me "good catch" for scumreading zone, but later mm said he townreads zone with no transition???


You completely misinterpreted my post. I'm saying Zone is faking being aloof, which is not scummy, it's how he plays all the time. I even asked you your conclusion about it, which proves that I wasn't setting it as a reason to scumread him lol. I said "good catch" because you understood how Zone plays, which is rather rare from what I've seen, not because I thought he was scum at all (because I don't lol).

I have doubts that Zone, Ceko, and MM are playing wolf theater together. Seems too risky to tie themselves together, especially while also defending Zone so hard later. So while one of Ceko and MM might be scum, I don't think it's w/w.

[bakermir]

Mike

Mike?


MIKE?

[bakermir]

MIKE I AM HERE TO FIGHT YOU 20 PAGES STRAIGHT ANSWER ME

[bakermir]

I went back to look through those posts. As I was going through them and earlier posts, I also saw this interaction between Ceko and MM.





I have doubts that Zone, Ceko, and MM are playing wolf theater together. Seems too risky to tie themselves together, especially while also defending Zone so hard later. So while one of Ceko and MM might be scum, I don't think it's w/w.


this is true.


I think MM did the right vote here on martin, because rereading D1 exchanges between Kenny and MM, the game is heading towards a possible MM vs Martin or Gyrlander. I personally find Martin/Gyr to be town and MM sounds like a boxed scum who is now suffering because of a bad teammate.

assuming ceko is town ofc..

I don't exactly know either but my scum poe would be MM>Mike>DM>Ceko

[theoneceko]

don't hammer ANYONE until i come back.

good night. have UwU dreams. especUwUally Bruno.

[FrostByte]

If any player changes alignment or a Koopa dies

I don't think we have a confirm that anyone changed alignment last night. We know that a Koopa died.

[FrostByte]

Wouldn’t it make sence to go on the one who tryed to hard stead away from votes on him Baker???

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

[FrostByte]

Sensitive...? I replied to your "questioning". You said people should not listen to me because I was wrong on Zone. I'm saying that's bullshit. The end.

Are you actually fucking retarded? I asked your opinion on that line of thinking, for the third fucking time.

Either you're fucking dumb or you're being purposely dense, you scummy fuck. Stop trying to confuse people.

[FrostByte]

You continuously misrepresenting my question indicates either you're actually really sensitive, you're fucking scared and squirming, or you're fucking retarded. Pick one.

[Mike]

LMAO

your title should change to TROLL or LIAR

Quote a single post this game where I lied. I will not remove my vote from you.

[Mike]

Mike

Mike?


MIKE?

What what what l??? Am I not alowed to have a life??

[Mike]

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

Dude was between a rock and a hard place he had to hammer there.

[FrostByte]

Dude was between a rock and a hard place he had to hammer there.

You've got a good point, but it could also have been towny of them to hammer. Dark Magician decided not to. He does look pretty scummy for that, though.

idk I'm not sure how to feel about Baker in general right now. I thought they were scummy yesterday but idk now.

[Mike]

You've got a good point, but it could also have been towny of them to hammer. Dark Magician decided not to. He does look pretty scummy for that, though.

idk I'm not sure how to feel about Baker in general right now. I thought they were scummy yesterday but idk now.

I am ok with flipping MM, Baker, or Ceko right now. DM claimed he has a confirmable role that he can confirm tonight. So With people that are scummy we than DM. I would be willling to let him confirm his role instead of lynching him today. With haveing a mafi lynch day 1 we are in good shape.

[Mike]

I belive mafia killing Kenny was a mistake. It alowed us to confirm him as town and see his interactions day 1 and Kenny is not a bad player with bad reads. With us killing bowser and then killing a VT town is in a very good spot if we kill on more mafia today we are pretty much in auto. Even neutral will not be able to win. Unless they are aligned with town. I know no way in hell Bruno can be mafia in no world also no way he can be neutral becise he would have been playing agents his win con to push a mafia lynch day 1

[Mike]

Well good night going to bed

[FrostByte]

I would be willling to let him confirm his role instead of lynching him today. With haveing a mafi lynch day 1 we are in good shape.

This is good thinking. You're absolutely right.

[FrostByte]

frankly i dont give a singular fuck what you have to say. you're scum. eat my shit.i explicitly stated zone was scum. you were too pussy to do that, instead u just said Me AnD bRuNo mInDmElDeD uWu like a faggot. took a partial stance and didnt say jack shit. you were just trying to pocket me. go fuck yourself.

Maybe I'm particularly desensitized to Bruno's bullshit but the wording on this is fucking hilarious. Instead of people being sensitive pussies, y'all could stand to step back and look at the absurdity of how all of this shit is worded.

Bruno, you've been killing us all fucking game. I've laughed at your colorful language at least 20 times since the game started. I need that right now. Thank you for being the crazy bastard you are.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

So, you hard scumread Bakermir:

Quote a single post this game where I lied. I will not remove my vote from you.
But you would be ok with me flipping?

I am ok with flipping MM, Baker, or Ceko right now. DM claimed he has a confirmable role that he can confirm tonight. So With people that are scummy we than DM. I would be willling to let him confirm his role instead of lynching him today. With haveing a mafi lynch day 1 we are in good shape.

When you said I was lock town to you earlier? ERROR ERROR. CANNOT COMPUTE REASONING. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Are you actually fucking retarded? I asked your opinion on that line of thinking, for the third fucking time.

Either you're fucking dumb or you're being purposely dense, you scummy fuck. Stop trying to confuse people.

Oh, so you asked my opinion on the line of thinking that consists of "you were wrong on zone so now we shouldn't ever listen to you"... forgive me for thinking the answer to that was incredibly obvious to the point where I didn't even consider someone could be asking that :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I went back to look through those posts. As I was going through them and earlier posts, I also saw this interaction between Ceko and MM.

I have doubts that Zone, Ceko, and MM are playing wolf theater together. Seems too risky to tie themselves together, especially while also defending Zone so hard later. So while one of Ceko and MM might be scum, I don't think it's w/w.

+++++++++++townpoints for this, very good post. I'd like you to take position, be it with or against me lol, but so that you at least have a clear stance to give info if/when one of you, me or ceko flips.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

Hammering at this point was not exactly a costly move: Zone was dead anyway, and certainly wouldn't have gotten any credit during the game, seeing how everyone basically hated him lol. DM's refusal to hammer is townier than Baker's hammer simply because scum would not want to make themselves look like the ones who didn't vote the soon-to-flip scum; they would rather place their vote and hope to get some towncred for it, at this stage.

That being said, DM needs to explain his own reasoning clearly; his reply to my question meant literally nothing.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Martin is never scum.

Did you even read the game when Kenny almost got Martin lynched? I was ready to vote out Martin up until that moment and I asked him role+vote and he actually claimed his role and placed a vote on Bowser.


So you claim Martin did that on purpose and not genuine???


YOu claim nothing + vote on Martin


How am I gonna trust you???

Ah yes, the same Martin who literally sacrificed me while I was in a relatively good position in the last game, in which we were scummates? Yeah, I claim exactly that lol.


Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

It's not like he had much to lose, too: he could have been in anti-spew mode, especially judging by his tone (it indicates that he clearly considers his lynch as a likely outcome).

And I don't have to claim my role :gun: stop with that

[Marshmallow Marshall]

That's what I responded to BananCucho with.

:toad:

Also, he claimed toad after literally being asked to claim toad lmao (and he can't be Toadette on D1 so it's really a toad)

OOOOO MANY TOWNPOINTS TO GRANT HIM OOOOOO

Cut out the crap lol.

[FrostByte]

Oh, so you asked my opinion on the line of thinking that consists of "you were wrong on zone so now we shouldn't ever listen to you"... forgive me for thinking the answer to that was incredibly obvious to the point where I didn't even consider someone could be asking that :P

I'm sorry, I guess I just assumed you knew the difference between a question and a fucking statement. You're STILL either purposely being dense or you're actually fucking dumb as shit

[FrostByte]

Oh, so you asked my opinion on the line of thinking that consists of "you were wrong on zone so now we shouldn't ever listen to you"... forgive me for thinking the answer to that was incredibly obvious to the point where I didn't even consider someone could be asking that :P

The fucking logic. Comment on the fucking logic behind it.

[FrostByte]

The fucking logic. Comment on the fucking logic behind it.

Or are you saying you're too much of a snowflake pussy to see past your asshurt and actually consider the logic behind what I said?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

(I am presuming that you meant you scum-read me more than Gyrlander given your vote on me; and not the other way around)

If you don't trust kenny's read on Gyr's, then why trust his on me?

This statement from you earlier makes it looks like you're going to try and follow it to the letter:

...Regardless of whatever you said elsewhere in that paragraph of yours.

I mean, if you're going to follow Kenny because he's right on me

But not follow him because you think he's possibly wrong on Gyrlander

Then there would have been no reason for you to make such a sentence in the quote above; especially since Zone is dead.

It's like....(I may not be wording this correctly) saying Zone's scum flip adds Ethos to your argument that I am scum; But that's problematic because Kenny's arguments in the past have suggested that part of his scum-reads were based on the confidence that all 3 (Zone, Martin, and Gyrlander) are scum:

Its like attaching Kenney's argument to your own to your own advantage, but also detaching from it by not committing to the fact that Kenney believed Gyrlander is scum but you are in doubt of that.

I do trust Kenny's read on Gyr, to some extent, and the same goes for you. But as I said, I'm not purely and simply sheeping Kenny, I'm simply influenced by him. I do think you're scum by myself, and I do lean towards a scum!Gyrlander world. Agreeing with Kenny's points after his flip and Zone's is not some kind of "prestige stealing", it's simply that it has more credibility now (My Zone townread stopped it from being credible in my mind).

Speaking of that, did Gyrlander take a clear stance in the MM - Martin fight? I don't think so, and would like to see it =)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I'm sorry, I guess I just assumed you knew the difference between a question and a fucking statement. You're STILL either purposely being dense or you're actually fucking dumb as shit


The fucking logic. Comment on the fucking logic behind it.


Or are you saying you're too much of a snowflake pussy to see past your asshurt and actually consider the logic behind what I said?
There is absolutely no need to get rude. You do realize I have answered the question behind the logic as soon as I saw your post, right? And that you've just keep going on with this? Since you seem to have lost your glasses recently, here is my comment on "the fucking logic behind it", right in my first post of this saga:

So because I was wrong, I should just sit in a corner and not say what I think? Pssh. You're free not to listen to me, and I'm free to participate to the game (and I will do it). It'd even be anti-town not to do it lol. Ad hominems (because that's what you're doing atm) do not work in a context where we're looking for the objective truth.

Red and yellow: I'm talking about Martin and Gyr because they're the two other scum according to Kenny's last will; the part in yellow explains the part in red, so the part in red is not vague: I just explained it.

And now, can you just stop with insults please lol, it ain't fun for anyone (well... maybe it is somewhere in my brain and in yours too lol but it's counterproductive) and it certainly isn't giving weight to your argument, on the contrary.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

ISOing Zone.


Ah, I see. ...wait, if you're an old-timer, then why would you fear the meta-reliance? It's not as if anyone... ...never mind, I suddenly remember your conversation with Renegade.

Has it always been this bad?

This and literally all of Zone's posts prior to the one I'm quoting point towards FrostByte being town. He is interacting A LOT with Zone, and Zone seems to want to rally him to his cause by getting into the meta thing (basically a pocketing attempt through an artificial mindmelding).

[Marshmallow Marshall]

"Common sense", but apparently that doesn't exist here.

Apparently anyone who talks a lot without bussing Bruno is insta-scum in this site.


You're asking the wrong question. You should've asked: "If you're lazy, then why are you still alive? Aren't you too lazy to breathe?"

Anyhow, I don't see how this is helpful at all. According to you, everyone is either a diligent stalker or a mimosa plant, and there is no in-between.

To those who suspect Ceko: Zone is talking to Ceko here. Why would Zone feel the need to discredit Ceko like this if they were scummates?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

If reading people D1 is pointless, then what is MM doing right now?

I am playing this game because I was dragged by Dark Magician. Where in the world was stated that lazy people can't play FMs?


MM's warning mentioned punishments post-game, meaning that he can do whatever he wants from right now until the end of the game.

Regarding the mindmeld: Good for you.


1. Oh god. Now I have to deal with two of you. Ugh, I should really leave this game...
2. Why would you claim now? Did you even read the setup?


Good for you. You have "revealed" me. I am both TRYING to play normally, and SAYING I want to die at the same time. I am "pretending to be aloof" (whatever that means).

...so what? What does that have to do with this game?

I realize this is weak, but this is a poke against me that is absolutely not welcome in a SvS scenario, but that makes sense in a SvT scenario.

This is addressing Ceko, who replied to Zone's "mimosa plant" post. Zone is trying to show that Ceko's point is invalid, and they're both going at it. Again, Ceko gets spew townpoints for this.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

...? What are you talking about? Nobody has voted me. I just want to get rid of Bruno since he is a troll.

You know what? I'll make a bet: If I vote anyone other than Bruno as long as he is alive in the game, then I deserve to get tunneled and CFDed by everyone.


Hm... Considering it's Seth, I bet his reads isn't going to be any different than Bruno's.

This is a reply to Gyrlander telling Zone is "victimizing himself". It's the first interaction between them that doesn't give a vibe of "silent agreement" between them. It also is a rather colorful one, but I don't know if statements like the oath of getting Bruno lynched are in Zone's scumrange and scum style. Dark Magician thoughts?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Finished reading Page 14.

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I am actually not dealing well with Bruno, which is why I tried to avoid him as much as possible. --but that caused him to push me even more, so now I am thinking of only responding when he is not online. I'd rather be a coward then get stressed by him.


Why can't we just lynch Mike though? If Mike is Princess Toadstool (and I doubt Mike is Princess Daisy because getting greenchecked by Mario results in Mike essentially becoming a ToS Werewolf) then regardless of what happens to him at N1, it will be bad for town. If Mario checks Mike, they become 3rd Party. If Bowser kills Mike, Mike becomes a Koopa. If none of that happens, Mike becomes a Vengeful Jester.

There is nothing good which comes from Princess Toadstool, and I believe that Mike is Princess Toadstool.
I repeat: Why can't we just lynch Mike?


Baker, would you mind elaborating about this? I don't see what part of Kenny is towny.

There is no world in which Mike is a Koopa.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.


Why would you think so?


Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to that?

This is at Gyrlander. I'm getting less and less confident in the Gyrlander part of Kenny's LW; Zone's ISO doesn't indicate a team at all.

[Gyrlander]

I'm not at home but this looks like Town MM

[Gyrlander]

I dont know the current situation as I havent read yet but I'd say it would be pretty easily to get me mislynched right now

[Gyrlander]

And Mike smells Neutral right now o O

[bakermir]

MARSHMALLOW MARSHALL:


This is at Gyrlander. I'm getting less and less confident in the Gyrlander part of Kenny's LW; Zone's ISO doesn't indicate a team at all.

Exactly. Do you see what I mean?


LIke, I want to believe you are doing the same MM when you were accusing DS. and remember that game how I never towncleared anyone early game as scum lmao


I am townclearing people here. Gyrlander is spewed town here coming to day 2. I townread him d1 and actually it was my second public TR i made a post about after calling renegade toad.



Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

this was the second vote on Zone MM. Do you think martin is doing the same strat he did in Mildred's???


FROSTBYTE/MARSHMALLOW MARSHHALL:


I feel bad voting you(RIGHTFULLY SO!) every game d1 but EXPECT my vote d2 mr scummallow.. simply because I might be wrong with reading you and I kinda feel same towards you, can't put you in any group. also, why did you skip giving reads on rest of the players here?

This was my response to your fluff reads on d1. Half the players are missing from your read list, you were refusing to read ceko and zone and instead TR'd them. Your scumread on Martin mislead Kenny to chase wrong targets. Kenny was a hungry town. Surely his hunger was scary but why would they do that as scum? He was screaming toad.


FROSTBYTE:


Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

I admit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:


im ok with ZONEQQ too

but i think Mike is a bigger threat

This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.


MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, MartinGG99
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer

even posted votecount there. Why would martin be the second vote for Zoneq? We obviously had similar reads on some people here.








FrostByte I understand your reaction to me and I am ready to explain my actions. I stand behind my Mike read and him asking for open claim, failure to pick a side was all suspicious. I put my vote where my mouth is.




Marshmallow Marshall I understand you are taking slow and a methodical approach when it comes to reading, but can you provide us a full read list now?

[bakermir]

This was right after Martins vote on Bruno.


This was right after Martins vote on ZoneQ11*

sorry for mistyping names there

[bakermir]

I belive mafia killing Kenny was a mistake. It alowed us to confirm him as town and see his interactions day 1 and Kenny is not a bad player with bad reads. With us killing bowser and then killing a VT town is in a very good spot if we kill on more mafia today we are pretty much in auto. Even neutral will not be able to win. Unless they are aligned with town. I know no way in hell Bruno can be mafia in no world also no way he can be neutral becise he would have been playing agents his win con to push a mafia lynch day 1

Even though I really dislike your slot this game on many things, I agree with you on Kenny kill. That was either a fear kill or a framing kill and it is crystal clear so you are just saying water is wet doesn't really clear your slot.



You mislynched Zedus before when he was town and you refused to lynch him when he was scum sooo you are just a selfish player in any alignment and a terrible liar overall

[Gyrlander]

LOL wow, crucified scum.

I guess I was utterly wrong about Zone. Oops. I think Kenny's last will makes sense and that we maybe should follow it. Scum had lost control over the votes at EoD, so Martin could very well be scum (and I still stand by my D1 opinion on this), and Gyr... idk, it's possible, although I'm less sold than on Martin.

Also, I saw a post during the night from Renegade that made him look pretty good because of Zone's scum flip, lemme find it

Real bad post. Recommends following a Last Will with no explanation, even after Kenny said that he found a clear association with me and Zone yet he doesn't explain and instead leaves us a very cute but bad last will. Town MM wouldn't blindly say to follow such a random clue considering how he literally asks about everything and asks for explanations with logic.

Also you tell me what the hell you mean with "scum lost control over the votes at EoD" as if 3 votes in a 15 player game can control anything. Specially after there was no clear lynch whole D1 and votes were very scattered.

[Gyrlander]

what a weird tunnel on mm. why start now?

Why are you instantly calling Frostbyte's push a tunnel?

[Gyrlander]

About scum losing control of the votes: Bowser was lynched by 8 players. It's rather obvious they had lost control (if they ever had it before). As for the "scum never control votes", hard disagree. Manipulating townies into voting with you is controlling the votes. That didn't happen much at EoD (there cannot be 8 bussers on the train lol).

In order to lose control of votes you must have had it some point. You tell me at which point there was a decent train instead of almost every player voting a different person.

[Gyrlander]

Mike , just so we're clear, i never seriously thought u were a neutral. my vote on you was meant as a reaction test, and it yielded a lot of useful info. i've a list of examples to prove this:

1. zone said he thought you were a neutral (#1069 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898854&viewfull=1#post898854), #1093 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898878&viewfull=1#post898878), #1098 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898883&viewfull=1#post898883)).
2. gyr's response to u scumreading me was interesting:


i think gyrlander sounded too passive to be town here. i remember gyr questioning mike before this post, so by now i would've expected him to scumread mike. this post isn't enough for me to lock him as scum, but i'll keep an eye on him.

i kept my promise that i'd respond to this quote. check post #905 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898679&viewfull=1#post898679) to confirm.

3. dm noticed something wrong with gyr's post too (#932 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898711&viewfull=1#post898711)), but i'm not entirely sure if i should give dm townpoints for this. dm might've defended mike's slot just to gain town cred, and he's still lurking too much. in a setup with at least one confirmed alignment-checker, scum will try to lay low. zone's lynch proves this. he posted 47 times, which is almost twice as much as dark magician's 25 posts, but significantly less than mm, who is the next highest poster with 72 posts.
4. bake was the first to claim that u were neutral, and his persistence in lynching u yesterday looked almost too scummy for scum!baker to pull off. more on bake later.
5. your reaction to my push on you is similar to how i'd react if someone pushed me as town. +townpoints for you. i haven't locked you as town yet for one reason, but more on that later.
6. kenny and martin had a weird argument over you that i haven't bothered to analyze. i think their interaction was TvT, but it looked so complicated that i'll probably never articulate my gut feeling about it.

I purposefully made that post in a calm way in an attempt to get Mike to explain it clearly. Still, he's flip flopping all around in a way that reminds me of Spirits that's why I said he's Neutral.

[Gyrlander]

is frost ur teammate? Bruno

just read the last 50 posts if the rest of you don't understand. there's a chance that bruno might've not read or thought about the setup and just charged in as powerwolf play. i can honestly see him doing this... for uh, reasons lol. it's unlikely, but still something to consider.

mm mirrored my thought processes at times BEFORE i posted them on the thread. part of me wonders if MM is a LHF (last time he was town, he got close to being lynched). if i rly was koopa, there's no way i would interact with mm like this. scum!ceko plays like a scared buWunny.

ceko stop the OMGUS before I get a cancer.

[Gyrlander]

right. like i explained with zone. suck my fuckin dick, i know what i know and i know ceko is scum. you can either join the train or be confirmed 3rd scum when he flips red. quite simple. dont tell me how to speak. this is how i fuckin communicate. so stop discriminating you crusty dick, ugly ass, scrawny ass weak ass excuse of a kappa

MM STOP DISCRIMINATING

*proceeds to insult like there's no tomorrow*

[Gyrlander]

N1 Bruno is Town

this smells bad

[Gyrlander]

read the wall i directed at mike for more info. my vote on mike basically outed zone as scum because of the way zone reacted. too bad i wasn't actually present at eod to point this out.

I've read the Mike wall post thing but there's nothing saying Zone outed himself was Scum because of your vote unless you mean the 3 "zone thought mike was a neutral" posts that don't mean much to me.

[Gyrlander]

That is what I said about him last game but he is not my top lynch you are. The way you hard defended zone.

This is my issue. I also hard town read zone even called him my top town. But when Bruno made his case agent him. I stoped and whet hmmmm. Wait that makes sence wow I may be wrong. Bruno made a lot of hard facts ageist Zone. You read everything that is just you. And you still Hard defended him all the way to the end. That does not add up. I will bet my life that you are his partner. And don’t give me crap that you hammered you had no choice.

bakermir I will bet anything you flip scum. I would love to see 2 scum flips in a row.

Einggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg... bruno?

But it was Kenny...?

[Gyrlander]

this is true.


I think MM did the right vote here on martin, because rereading D1 exchanges between Kenny and MM, the game is heading towards a possible MM vs Martin or Gyrlander. I personally find Martin/Gyr to be town and MM sounds like a boxed scum who is now suffering because of a bad teammate.

assuming ceko is town ofc..

I don't exactly know either but my scum poe would be MM>Mike>DM>Ceko

Not answering to this post but just wanted to quote you.

You feel so different from Insane Asylum. Maybe it's the avatar change, but in Asylum you seemed much more discrete and appeared to have an ace up your sleeve all the time.

Here you seem much more upfront. But as I said, maybe it's because you have a weird pixel girl instead of that nightmare-fuel moon.

[Gyrlander]

I belive mafia killing Kenny was a mistake. It alowed us to confirm him as town and see his interactions day 1 and Kenny is not a bad player with bad reads. With us killing bowser and then killing a VT town is in a very good spot if we kill on more mafia today we are pretty much in auto. Even neutral will not be able to win. Unless they are aligned with town. I know no way in hell Bruno can be mafia in no world also no way he can be neutral becise he would have been playing agents his win con to push a mafia lynch day 1

Why would you make a post saying this but not push/check whatever you wanted from Kenny? If it's because you went to sleep and are going to do it today then nevermind.

[Gyrlander]

Also, he claimed toad after literally being asked to claim toad lmao (and he can't be Toadette on D1 so it's really a toad)

OOOOO MANY TOWNPOINTS TO GRANT HIM OOOOOO

Cut out the crap lol.

:toadette:

[Gyrlander]

I do trust Kenny's read on Gyr, to some extent, and the same goes for you. But as I said, I'm not purely and simply sheeping Kenny, I'm simply influenced by him. I do think you're scum by myself, and I do lean towards a scum!Gyrlander world. Agreeing with Kenny's points after his flip and Zone's is not some kind of "prestige stealing", it's simply that it has more credibility now (My Zone townread stopped it from being credible in my mind).

Speaking of that, did Gyrlander take a clear stance in the MM - Martin fight? I don't think so, and would like to see it =)

No I hadn't because I am an European boy. My stance is: INCONCLUSIVE

Need more information.

[Mike]

MARSHMALLOW MARSHALL:



Exactly. Do you see what I mean?


LIke, I want to believe you are doing the same MM when you were accusing DS. and remember that game how I never towncleared anyone early game as scum lmao


I am townclearing people here. Gyrlander is spewed town here coming to day 2. I townread him d1 and actually it was my second public TR i made a post about after calling renegade toad.




this was the second vote on Zone MM. Do you think martin is doing the same strat he did in Mildred's???


FROSTBYTE/MARSHMALLOW MARSHHALL:



This was my response to your fluff reads on d1. Half the players are missing from your read list, you were refusing to read ceko and zone and instead TR'd them. Your scumread on Martin mislead Kenny to chase wrong targets. Kenny was a hungry town. Surely his hunger was scary but why would they do that as scum? He was screaming toad.


FROSTBYTE:



I admwit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:



This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.



even posted votecount there. Why would martin be the second vote for Zoneq? We obviously had similar reads on some people here.








FrostByte I understand your reaction to me and I am ready to explain my actions. I stand behind my Mike read and him asking for open claim, failure to pick a side was all suspicious. I put my vote where my mouth is.




Marshmallow Marshall I understand you are taking slow and a methodical approach when it comes to reading, but can you provide us a full read list now?

Your posts at EoD when we are trying to get a lynch off on Mafia or who we suspect is top Mafia is reaction testing I call BULL SHIT. Then you go on to say I am lieing about it when Bruno even spewed you as next lynch with how you where responding next you going to say I am leading Bruno to scum read you?

[Gyrlander]

This is a reply to Gyrlander telling Zone is "victimizing himself". It's the first interaction between them that doesn't give a vibe of "silent agreement" between them. It also is a rather colorful one, but I don't know if statements like the oath of getting Bruno lynched are in Zone's scumrange and scum style. Dark Magician thoughts?

I'm getting the feeling you are just classifying ANYONE WHO EVER TALKED TO ZONE as Town.

[Mike]

Even though I really dislike your slot this game on many things, I agree with you on Kenny kill. That was either a fear kill or a framing kill and it is crystal clear so you are just saying water is wet doesn't really clear your slot.



You mislynched Zedus before when he was town and you refused to lynch him when he was scum sooo you are just a selfish player in any alignment and a terrible liar overall

Well with how you are about facts when you are town. You know I was 3 p in the game Zedus was mafia I was not town, so keep up the lies

[bakermir]

Not answering to this post but just wanted to quote you.

You feel so different from Insane Asylum. Maybe it's the avatar change, but in Asylum you seemed much more discrete and appeared to have an ace up your sleeve all the time.

Here you seem much more upfront. But as I said, maybe it's because you have a weird pixel girl instead of that nightmare-fuel moon.

in insane, I told mike you are james coming to day 3 and mentioned I will try hard to get you lynched, look how that turned out ;/

luckily, we had insane jester in game so it was easy to CC them at the same time since rene was easy to spot on d3 since his first post. i know thats not really a town thing to CC jester/neutral but we had no tpr's left that game and pretty much lost the game on night 4. I only wanted to see how far could I take it. I had ceko tr'd d1 that game and he got me really confused on lylo but i was right on my take there with banana skitzo and rest of you without revealing my intent much.. i see why you didn't hammer ceko, I guess he confused you guys on lylo too LOL



also I feel something similar with your avatar change. your old avatar was too cute + confusing for me to read you as scum ever, now I read you much bravely somehow and i know it is probably a mistake to read people based on avatars ;p

furthermore, i actually admire banana and ren changing avatars in insane also. I think style of Norwee enlightened me on some things so all credit goes to them. ever since I picked up FM, I have been experimenting with the idea of changing avatars coming to each game, and even considered mid game changes. It reminds me of picking names in the mod coming to each game. i am still exploring ideas and learning without basing my gameplay on meta

[bakermir]

Well with how you are about facts when you are town. You know I was 3 p in the game Zedus was mafia I was not town, so keep up the lies

bro, I am not dissing your 3P game on spirits. If we consider your buddy's alibi to be true, you fooled everyone there which is good but has nothing to do with how you played town in antivaxx or mildred or even here lol

you ML'd zedus on antiwax despite Zedus probably played his best town game there. on mildred you subbed out for whatever reason. I get it, you don't prefer town roles

[bakermir]

Your posts at EoD when we are trying to get a lynch off on Mafia or who we suspect is top Mafia is reaction testing I call BULL SHIT. Then you go on to say I am lieing about it when Bruno even spewed you as next lynch with how you where responding next you going to say I am leading Bruno to scum read you?

Huh?

Why do I need to convince anyone here to get you or myself lynched? I am not following you one bit

[Dark Magician]

Yes

[Dark Magician]

Who’s the winner? Who’s it gonna be?

[Dark Magician]

I'm getting the feeling you are just classifying ANYONE WHO EVER TALKED TO ZONE as Town.

Interesting.
Do tell more.

[Mike]

bro, I am not dissing your 3P game on spirits. If we consider your buddy's alibi to be true, you fooled everyone there which is good but has nothing to do with how you played town in antivaxx or mildred or even here lol

you ML'd zedus on antiwax despite Zedus probably played his best town game there. on mildred you subbed out for whatever reason. I get it, you don't prefer town roles

I WAS TOWN IN MILDRED I WAS NOT SCUM I WAS TOWN YOU ALL READ ME AS SCUM

[Mike]

bro, I am not dissing your 3P game on spirits. If we consider your buddy's alibi to be true, you fooled everyone there which is good but has nothing to do with how you played town in antivaxx or mildred or even here lol

you ML'd zedus on antiwax despite Zedus probably played his best town game there. on mildred you subbed out for whatever reason. I get it, you don't prefer town roles

Dude I enjoy town roles. I subed out becuse I WILL NOT EVER PLAY ANOTHER GAME WITH THAT PILE OF CRAP THAT IS CALL ZEDUS. WHEN HE IS TOWN IS IS STILL ANTI TOWN.

I MADE THAT CLEAR!!! the fact you are trying to goat me makes me even more confident you are MAfia here. You keep laying WIFOM to keep laying little Lies about me to get people to think I am a MOron that is Scum reading a Town.

Dude if you are town I will Promote my lynch the next day because in no world are you ever town here. If you are Mareo as you tried softing Day 1 tell me now I will let you lynch me today. I even bought you might be That is why I was town defending you at EOD. But your actions at Eod was in no way Town Aligned or from a Town mindset. Also with your interaction today is not in a town mindset. You have does nothing but try and Discredit me not show how i can be scum or Neurtal as your partner tryed to claim. UMMGUSS lol that is all. that started once I droped my vote on you lol

[Renegade]

While I think it is possible MM is town and just made a mistake on Zone, occams razor suggests he is scum because of it.

Again, I don't really see an association between Gyr and Zone other than both being attacked by Bruno.

If Frost and Bruno want MM then I am inclined to vote that way as well.

[Dark Magician]

While I think it is possible MM is town and just made a mistake on Zone, occams razor suggests he is scum because of it.

Again, I don't really see an association between Gyr and Zone other than both being attacked by Bruno.

If Frost and Bruno want MM then I am inclined to vote that way as well.

Are you Town?

[Dark Magician]

Did you get converted by Toadstool last night?

[Gyrlander]

Oh no DM has gone full conspiracy mode.

[Gyrlander]

Interesting.
Do tell more.

More.

[Gyrlander]

in insane, I told mike you are james coming to day 3 and mentioned I will try hard to get you lynched, look how that turned out ;/

luckily, we had insane jester in game so it was easy to CC them at the same time since rene was easy to spot on d3 since his first post. i know thats not really a town thing to CC jester/neutral but we had no tpr's left that game and pretty much lost the game on night 4. I only wanted to see how far could I take it. I had ceko tr'd d1 that game and he got me really confused on lylo but i was right on my take there with banana skitzo and rest of you without revealing my intent much.. i see why you didn't hammer ceko, I guess he confused you guys on lylo too LOL



also I feel something similar with your avatar change. your old avatar was too cute + confusing for me to read you as scum ever, now I read you much bravely somehow and i know it is probably a mistake to read people based on avatars ;p

furthermore, i actually admire banana and ren changing avatars in insane also. I think style of Norwee enlightened me on some things so all credit goes to them. ever since I picked up FM, I have been experimenting with the idea of changing avatars coming to each game, and even considered mid game changes. It reminds me of picking names in the mod coming to each game. i am still exploring ideas and learning without basing my gameplay on meta

Your explanation on avatars and their consequences is very interesting. I remember that in old FMs there were people that selected cute images (such as babies) to influence the subsconcious of other players and therefore get more townread. It's incredible how much a different avatar changes things. For example, when Frinckles has one cute kpop girl I feel he's a total different person than when he has that horrible cartoon character.

I must get more cute photos.

[Renegade]

Did you get converted by Toadstool last night?

I received no feedback.

You claim that you received a new role, correct? So someone must have changed alignment, per my read of the setup.

[Gyrlander]

I received no feedback as well.

[bakermir]

Dude I enjoy town roles. I subed out becuse I WILL NOT EVER PLAY ANOTHER GAME WITH THAT PILE OF CRAP THAT IS CALL ZEDUS. WHEN HE IS TOWN IS IS STILL ANTI TOWN.

I MADE THAT CLEAR!!! the fact you are trying to goat me makes me even more confident you are MAfia here. You keep laying WIFOM to keep laying little Lies about me to get people to think I am a MOron that is Scum reading a Town.

Dude if you are town I will Promote my lynch the next day because in no world are you ever town here. If you are Mareo as you tried softing Day 1 tell me now I will let you lynch me today. I even bought you might be That is why I was town defending you at EOD. But your actions at Eod was in no way Town Aligned or from a Town mindset. Also with your interaction today is not in a town mindset. You have does nothing but try and Discredit me not show how i can be scum or Neurtal as your partner tryed to claim. UMMGUSS lol that is all. that started once I droped my vote on you lol

You've made your decision then? SmugPepe

[bakermir]

Oh no DM has gone full conspiracy mode.

that's better than his false claim.

if he became neutral doc after a koopa flip, he would be able to visit someone on n1.

i didn't receive any feedback either.



Did you get converted by Toadstool last night?

also, lovebirds can't recruit n1, it is mechanically impossible.


he is probably pulling some gambit here or IDK what is he up to but I had him townlean on d1 based on goofiness but scumlean on d2 based on misleading via setup speculation

[Gyrlander]

Why are you guys talking as if Loverbirds could recruit? They become a separate scum team. Over.

[bakermir]

Why are you guys talking as if Loverbirds could recruit? They become a separate scum team. Over.

yea, they only kill and RB

toadstool doesn't convert anyone, only waluigi can.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

MARSHMALLOW MARSHALL:

Exactly. Do you see what I mean?

LIke, I want to believe you are doing the same MM when you were accusing DS. and remember that game how I never towncleared anyone early game as scum lmao

I am townclearing people here. Gyrlander is spewed town here coming to day 2. I townread him d1 and actually it was my second public TR i made a post about after calling renegade toad.

this was the second vote on Zone MM. Do you think martin is doing the same strat he did in Mildred's???

FROSTBYTE/MARSHMALLOW MARSHHALL:

This was my response to your fluff reads on d1. Half the players are missing from your read list, you were refusing to read ceko and zone and instead TR'd them. Your scumread on Martin mislead Kenny to chase wrong targets. Kenny was a hungry town. Surely his hunger was scary but why would they do that as scum? He was screaming toad.

FROSTBYTE:

I admit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:

This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.

even posted votecount there. Why would martin be the second vote for Zoneq? We obviously had similar reads on some people here.

FrostByte I understand your reaction to me and I am ready to explain my actions. I stand behind my Mike read and him asking for open claim, failure to pick a side was all suspicious. I put my vote where my mouth is.

Marshmallow Marshall I understand you are taking slow and a methodical approach when it comes to reading, but can you provide us a full read list now?

Yes, I guess I'm seeing what you're saying a bit more about Gyr, although I'm still slightly paranoid (but it's probably more paranoia than anything else).

When martin posted this:
Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

He was in a bad position. His tone indicates that he felt like it, and it wasn't unjustified: he was under rather significant pressure. He showed in Mildred that he is not afraid to bus; he does not need to be using the same strategy to bus someone who's in a bad position, just to dare to do it in general.
When looking at Zone's ISO, I found nothing that clears Martin that comes from Zone; it seems to me (please show I'm wrong if I am on that) that the only supposed spewing instance about Martin is the post I just quoted, and what I'm saying is that it is definetly not outside of his scumrange, especially not considering the context he was in.

Ceko is in my towncore atm bakermir, he's spewed by Zone and he's one of the players who scumhunted the most with rather elaborate strategies (see his read on Mike, for example). My D1 reads were not fluff, they were the ones I had (although I think I forgot to put Mike in the relatively high town slots back then, but I just went to bed instead of posting about it because I was tired lol).
"You refused to read Ceko and Zone and instead townread them" Uhh... do I really need to say what is wrong with this sentence? :D
And may the LORD forgive me for having scumhunted on D1 and suspected Kenny, pushed him, and then realized he was town. That is absolutely not what town shoul.... wait, it is exactly what town should do! It wasn't even a bad thing: Kenny was NOT widely townread. And again, "screaming toad" is something you saw before me. You're literally blaming me for not realizing soon enough over the course of D1 that someone who has a large and relatively scary scumrange (Kenny) was town, and that's ridiculous.

I can work on a readslist with more people in it now that more people have posted, sure.

[theoneceko]

....

i’ve nothing to say rn (haven’t caught up either).

[theoneceko]

fuckin right


i am glad I town called gyr there and pushed you for vote and role. look how that snowballed zone's yeet before eod. kenny almost had you ML'd because he got mislead after his exchanges with MM

u just made a big mistake. after eod, ppl should have no reason to townread u. :^)

also, what did martin claim?

[theoneceko]

Why does all scum keep calling me 3p lol. Let’s look at this is it in the 3p interest to lynch the scum ummm no why not because then town will hunt 3p. So ummm I think your theory about me is a fail. Roflol hell I will take it one step more.

If baker flips town make me auto lynch tomorrow. Baker is mafia. Now please explain how if I am 3p can I win here?

no

[theoneceko]

Baker hammered. Unless they were playing the long game and making a really ballsy move, they're probably town.

Dark Magician refused to hammer and refused to address why he didn't hammer.

no no no no no. we should not give bake townpoints for hammering, EVER. he had no choice but to hammer since there were no competing wagons and there were only ~20 minutes left until thread closed.

[theoneceko]

Are you actually fucking retarded? I asked your opinion on that line of thinking, for the third fucking time.

Either you're fucking dumb or you're being purposely dense, you scummy fuck. Stop trying to confuse people.

FrostByte fuck u asshole suck my dick

[theoneceko]

You continuously misrepresenting my question indicates either you're actually really sensitive, you're fucking scared and squirming, or you're fucking retarded. Pick one.

if u provide quotes to refresh my memory, i’ll be very happy.

[theoneceko]

I am ok with flipping MM, Baker, or Ceko right now. DM claimed he has a confirmable role that he can confirm tonight. So With people that are scummy we than DM. I would be willling to let him confirm his role instead of lynching him today. With haveing a mafi lynch day 1 we are in good shape.

u didn’t even respond to the wall where i pinged u.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

:town:

Ceko (spewed clear by Zone, has been towny through scumhunting)
Bruno (spewed clear by Zone)

--- TOWNCORE LINE ---

Gyrlander (Maybe spewed by Zone? My paranoia is still there, but the more I ISOed Zone, the more he looked towny)
Bakermir (scumhunting that "looks legit"; will have to see how he drives the game, but for now he's driving it and I think it's productive. Note that I am not townreading him for hammering Zone: he had no value as a scummate for scum!literally-anyone at that point, and bussing was probably the best solution for anyone.)

Frostbyte (Looks good from Zone interactions, and I think he was genuinely annoyed at me earlier. Not a suuuper strong read, but I have medium confidence in it.)

Mike (his "trap" that consisted of suggesting a massclaim and the stuff he said around it really look like town Mike's doing, but he went from me being lock town to being ok with my flip with zero progression whatsoever... so idk, I still find him towny but he has to explain that)
Whysper (based on one good post showing that Ceko-MM is not SvS. Yes, that's weak, and so is my townread)
DM (refusing to hammer Zone isn't coming from a scummate imo; as I said, scum were probably bussing because Zone had no value anymore. He still needs to explain himself though)
REEEEEEnegade (I checked his ISO to update my read on him and realized how empty he had been this game; although his meta is a thing, he hasn't exactly been a valuable scumhunter or anything like that, and we're in the middle of D2. It's time for him to contribute more than that)

--- NULL LINE (Bahkieh goes in there because he did basically nothing?) ---

Firebringer ("N1 Bruno town", really? Nothing else to add to that read, but he really needs to explain that)

Martin (NOT spewed by Zone or cleared by his vote on him; you can see in #962 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898743#post898743) that he wasn't so keen to lynch Zone juuust before he said stuff about himself being bad and then ended up voting Zone. Just look at his ISO and look for literally all his posts regarding Zone prior to his vote on him, and you'll see he doesn't look good AT ALL, on the contrary. Outside of that, before I called him out on it, he hadn't taken any strong stances (only that Ceko forced him to take some clearer (but not stronger) ones by questioning his post where he just listed posts he found interesting without explaining at all... #595 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47639-S-FM-313-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II?p=898342#post898342), just follow the blue quote arrows to see the whole conversation), and he talked rather significantly about himself, even offering to link games without being asked to.)

:scum:

[Marshmallow Marshall]

u just made a big mistake. after eod, ppl should have no reason to townread u. :^)

also, what did martin claim?
He claimed :toad: (literally)

And I agree, Bakermir should NOT get town points for hammering Zone.

FrostByte fuck u asshole suck my dick

UwU?

No hard feelings Frostbyte btw :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Not answering to this post but just wanted to quote you.

You feel so different from Insane Asylum. Maybe it's the avatar change, but in Asylum you seemed much more discrete and appeared to have an ace up your sleeve all the time.

Here you seem much more upfront. But as I said, maybe it's because you have a weird pixel girl instead of that nightmare-fuel moon.

So I'm not the only one who feels like people are different just because they change their avatar lol, good to know

maybe i should not have a wolf avatar then.... :o

[theoneceko]

ISOing Zone.



This and literally all of Zone's posts prior to the one I'm quoting point towards FrostByte being town. He is interacting A LOT with Zone, and Zone seems to want to rally him to his cause by getting into the meta thing (basically a pocketing attempt through an artificial mindmelding).

oh yea, i forgot i townread frost at start of day 1. thanks for the refresher.

[theoneceko]

To those who suspect Ceko: Zone is talking to Ceko here. Why would Zone feel the need to discredit Ceko like this if they were scummates?

i’m on a scum team with mm. with bowser dead and the possibilities that mario isn’t converted AND dark magician is professor e. gadd, it makes perfect sense for mm to defend me.

hmmmmmmmmm

i won’t reveal all my thoughts on this matter yet.

[theoneceko]

There is no world in which Mike is a Koopa.

LOL. see what i mean? mm, read my wall on mike and you’ll see i basically said the exact same thing about zone.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Real bad post. Recommends following a Last Will with no explanation, even after Kenny said that he found a clear association with me and Zone yet he doesn't explain and instead leaves us a very cute but bad last will. Town MM wouldn't blindly say to follow such a random clue considering how he literally asks about everything and asks for explanations with logic.

Also you tell me what the hell you mean with "scum lost control over the votes at EoD" as if 3 votes in a 15 player game can control anything. Specially after there was no clear lynch whole D1 and votes were very scattered.
Last will of a flipped townie who was right on Zone*
I don't think we should anymore because I ISOed Zone and found you rather towny there, by the way, but before that, I scumread both you and Martin, and Kenny seemed to be... well, right lol. I'll grant you this may not be my strongest logical moment.

In order to lose control of votes you must have had it some point. You tell me at which point there was a decent train instead of almost every player voting a different person.

...fair

[theoneceko]

This is at Gyrlander. I'm getting less and less confident in the Gyrlander part of Kenny's LW; Zone's ISO doesn't indicate a team at all.

tbh i think a gyr/zone team is still possible. the last game i played with scum!gyr taught me he is capable of bussing his teammates.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

No I hadn't because I am an European boy. My stance is: INCONCLUSIVE

Need more information.
Sure, at least that's a clear stance XD

I'm getting the feeling you are just classifying ANYONE WHO EVER TALKED TO ZONE as Town.

I'm literally saying your previous interactions with Zone didn't look amazing in that post lol. (Note that your later ones are much better and kinda overrule this)

[theoneceko]

I'm not at home but this looks like Town MM

bakermir tell me with a straight face this doesn’t look “o p p o r t u n i s t i c”

:angerryyy:

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.


Why would you think so?


Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to that?

Ceko, we're talking about this. It's Zone who posted it, not Gyr, so Gyr bussing or not has nothing to do with that

[theoneceko]

I admit my EoD was scummy but that is reaction testing and this is something I did before and caught scum, I can link a game. I made sure I was there till last minute to vote Zone instead of Mike. Mike is lying about me defending zone or derailing a lynch which is false. I had 3P read on Mike and scumread on Zone. If anything, I added fuel to the zone yeet right after:

This was right after Martins vote on Bruno. I am quoting Gyrlander there, trying to get their vote on either Zone or Mike because I TRd both Martin and Gyrlander based on ISO and I have multiple posts suggesting Kenny to take his head out of his tunnel and take a look around or at least reconsider his reads or even provide alternatives to Martin/Gyrlander. I don't see Martin/Gyrlander scum here in any world.

u weren’t reaction-testing, u were trying to direct attention away from zone’s lynch.

u must not realize i literally have a wall about ur eod that i can post as soon as i get home. :^)

[theoneceko]

Why are you instantly calling Frostbyte's push a tunnel?

the style frost posted in (color-coding three different phrases in one sentence) just reminds me of tunneling. i think frost’s emotional way of arguing made me exaggerate what he was doing (cuz ppl being toxic can make me angy and not think straight). anyways, if u keep reading, you’ll see that frost keeps on attacking mm/actually starts tunneling mm.

[theoneceko]

I've read the Mike wall post thing but there's nothing saying Zone outed himself was Scum because of your vote unless you mean the 3 "zone thought mike was a neutral" posts that don't mean much to me.

i don’t think zone said anything about mike until i voted him, so i think zone was being opportunistic by parroting what bake already said about mike.

[theoneceko]

in insane, I told mike you are james coming to day 3 and mentioned I will try hard to get you lynched, look how that turned out ;/

luckily, we had insane jester in game so it was easy to CC them at the same time since rene was easy to spot on d3 since his first post. i know thats not really a town thing to CC jester/neutral but we had no tpr's left that game and pretty much lost the game on night 4. I only wanted to see how far could I take it. I had ceko tr'd d1 that game and he got me really confused on lylo but i was right on my take there with banana skitzo and rest of you without revealing my intent much.. i see why you didn't hammer ceko, I guess he confused you guys on lylo too LOL



also I feel something similar with your avatar change. your old avatar was too cute + confusing for me to read you as scum ever, now I read you much bravely somehow and i know it is probably a mistake to read people based on avatars ;p

furthermore, i actually admire banana and ren changing avatars in insane also. I think style of Norwee enlightened me on some things so all credit goes to them. ever since I picked up FM, I have been experimenting with the idea of changing avatars coming to each game, and even considered mid game changes. It reminds me of picking names in the mod coming to each game. i am still exploring ideas and learning without basing my gameplay on meta

why did ur tone change from “ceko is scum and I WANT MIKE TO FIGHT ME” to “martin and mm, pwease gimme ur reads” and “hee-hee gyr’s avatar is sexy hee-hee!!!” iow, why r u so agreeable now?

outside of the game, i actually rly like ur avatar.