S-FM 313: Mushroom Kingdom Madness II

[MartinGG99]

hey Renegade remember when I voted you that one time

now would be a good time to OMGUS vote me

Because Kenny's right

I do fucking suck

Being scummy as town despite my town role-card

[bakermir]

I based my scumteam around gyro

what if you are wrong? who is the next group?

[Kenny]

Well aint that's just wonderful

If gyro Gyrlander is scum and both me and Zone are town

then be sure to give him my congratulations to him

for deceiving one of my stronger town-reads to scum-read me




(on a separate note though I think Grylander is probably town but that's fairly pointless to say atp imo)

Yea sure, that would be a pretty high level play.

[Kenny]

what if you are wrong? who is the next group?

No idea. I'll write a lw if I'll have to.

[Mike]

Mike
consider that one being a genuine messup of ceko's. Martin becomes scum in that situation, doesn't he?

In that thought. You meaning Martin and ceko teamed. I thought about that. But Ceko has pushed Martin and voted on him. Yes he could have been Bussing. But I honstly think you should check Ceko tonight. I am scum reading Ceko. But I am not trusting my reads after Last game yes I am a bit gun shy.

[Kenny]

Honestly I do somewhat have the impression I'm overthinking MM here, but I'd rather verify the reads I'm actually confident about first

[Zone_Q11]

One note on the ping post of q11: that's him actually trying to justify him failing to refute a basic scum read. Basic scum behaviour. He knows he fucked up. Town would accept someone else's read and acknowledge their fuck up. He's stuck up on covering up his mistake instead, like newbie scum does
I don't even understand what you're getting at. The only thing I acknowledge is that Bruno is dead-wrong about his read on me, and he kept pushing his reads like a VI so obviously I went on and ignored him.


Zone ain’t a noob.
He’s been playing FM for about 2 years.
But he’s bad at it.
He’s lost Town games before.
70 games as town with 36% win-rate and still dropping. I wouldn't mind dying though, since at the very least I would be rid of the suffering that is this game.


Instead his posts were "I regret signing up" "This is a waste of time" "I'd rather be weak than lose my sanity" etc
Yeah. I still regret signing up since all I see is your so-called derailing instead of literally anything else.
Talking to Bruno is a waste of time since he is at best a VI, and VIs never listen to other people. I learn this from DM whenever we play together in another site.
I would rather be called weak by avoiding Bruno since talking to him is literally begging for me to lose my sanity.


MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall, Gyrlander


what the fuck is this
MartinGG99, could you please not die and just policy vote Bruno off?

[Kenny]

In that thought. You meaning Martin and ceko teamed. I thought about that. But Ceko has pushed Martin and voted on him. Yes he could have been Bussing. But I honstly think you should check Ceko tonight. I am scum reading Ceko. But I am not trusting my reads after Last game yes I am a bit gun shy.

I'm saying ceko not realizing the mistake and being town. ceko town martin scum

[MartinGG99]

Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (1 [L-7]):
Bruno
MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall, Gyrlander
Mike (1 [L-7]):
theoneceko
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer


Text size is = to number of votes on that slot.

[Mike]

If that was so important to you then why the hell you just made a single post and leave? There would be no reason (or reasonable context) for you to come here only to spend a very short time on it and make a single post and then leave; when compared to the reason of having IRL things to deal with.

Becuse me and my wife where watching TV last night went to the bathroom I went quickly to the computer to see the game state Saw a post that pinged me as odd and posted on it. Then she was commming back so i went back to watch the show with her.

If I have to pick this game or my wife hell I will pick my wife every time. She never bitches about me doing what I like gives me all the time I want the least I can do is spend a little time with her when she would like.

So if you must know that is why I posted one post and then left.

[Mike]

Because I don't feel like Zone Q11 is town or scum.

He's a null for me, and I haven't really read into his posts much, though I did check the one you quoted.

I also kind of don't see why that's super scum-indicative fmpov. He just wasn't getting their questions responded to.

From My PoV zone is Naked Town.

[Kenny]

I don't even understand what you're getting at. The only thing I acknowledge is that Bruno is dead-wrong about his read on me, and he kept pushing his reads like a VI so obviously I went on and ignored him.


70 games as town with 36% win-rate and still dropping. I wouldn't mind dying though, since at the very least I would be rid of the suffering that is this game.


Yeah. I still regret signing up since all I see is your so-called derailing instead of literally anything else.
Talking to Bruno is a waste of time since he is at best a VI, and VIs never listen to other people. I learn this from DM whenever we play together in another site.
I would rather be called weak by avoiding Bruno since talking to him is literally begging for me to lose my sanity.


MartinGG99, could you please not die and just policy vote Bruno off?

Oh no 36% winrate and still dropping
Martin plz help
bruno making us lose policy lynch!!!!

[Mike]

I think the team is Gyrlander/Ceko(Ironic) and Martin.

This can be a world.

[MartinGG99]

MartinGG99, could you please not die and just policy vote Bruno off?

I don't really have any reason to policy vote bruno off unless I want to social-justice-warrior him.

Otherwise I think he has been a bit towny.

[Mike]

And that's scummy, Mr. Kenny?

What am I missing and where did you influence my view and what is a strawman's argument?

And if you tried to influence my views in game yes that is scummy as all hell.

[MartinGG99]

Oh no 36% winrate and still dropping

Its actually ~16%

Idk where you got 36% from.

[MartinGG99]

Its actually ~16%

Idk where you got 36% from.

But yeah like I said I do suck. So might as well just off me instead of anyone else here.

[MartinGG99]

Its actually ~16%

Idk where you got 36% from.

Oh wait I thought oyu meant me LOL

[MartinGG99]

Sorry Zone_Q11 I didn't mean that.

[Kenny]

Ok I know y'all are getting pocketed by cryouts to motherly instincts easier than I am. So I think about this: as what are alignment are you more worried about people feeling let down by your play? It's always, absolutely always, mafia. You only care about your team going on as mafia. When you're town you eat it up. Like 10 more townies around anyway. Nothing's gonna happen from one mistake or two.

[bakermir]

Ok I know y'all are getting pocketed by cryouts to motherly instincts easier than I am. So I think about this: as what are alignment are you more worried about people feeling let down by your play? It's always, absolutely always, mafia. You only care about your team going on as mafia. When you're town you eat it up. Like 10 more townies around anyway. Nothing's gonna happen from one mistake or two.

unless they have an important role and you fail to see it

[MartinGG99]

And if you tried to influence my views in game yes that is scummy as all hell.

per·suade
/pərˈswād/

verb
cause (someone) to do something through reasoning or argument.
"it wasn't easy, but I persuaded him to do the right thing"

[bakermir]

martin claim toad please

[bakermir]

and place a vote if you are town u dummy

[MartinGG99]

martin claim toad please

That's what I responded to BananCucho with.

:toad:

[Kenny]

What am I missing and where did you influence my view and what is a strawman's argument?

And if you tried to influence my views in game yes that is scummy as all hell.

This is BULL CRAP. How can you see what he means because his post is BS. Go back in the discord. I sent him DM about how he Pocketed me hard. He knows that post was genuine. The fact he is even pushing this naritive is a Pile of Crap.

I want town to Look back on this post if I ever die and You see my flip

Martian and Ceko seem to align themselfs. to a Lie.

I had a town read on you ceko but this post is BS. This feels like you know I am going to flip town and want some defense for when I do.
That 2nd quote is a quote on ceko's reaction to Martin's post. To strawman means to use a normally unrelated but hard to disprove argument to divert attention from the original issue, an argument that acts like a strawman to attack.
Here and the quoted posts:

Technically scum have done everything at some point or somewhere.

Its up to us to decide if we think that's what happened or not, and whether it was for scum-side intent.

[Gyrlander]

I already answered you, didn't I? Yeesh, do I have to tag people to actually have them respond to me?


Kenny
Gyrlander


theoneceko, please repeat why you are voting Mike.

What the hell do you want me to answer? You say you are gonna be toxic and then when someone is toxic at you you cry like a baby. I don't know man, that's all I've to say.

[Gyrlander]

zone_q11
gyro
martin

Learn to write my name and then you may get my alignment right

[MartinGG99]

and place a vote if you are town u dummy

Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

[MartinGG99]

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

You're*

[MartinGG99]

Which, BTW, if it hasn't been clear I've been thinking most of D1 that kenny is towny.

[bakermir]

Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

thanks varcron

[Kenny]

Well aint that's just wonderful

If gyro Gyrlander is scum and both me and Zone are town

then be sure to give him my congratulations to him

for deceiving one of my stronger town-reads to scum-read me




(on a separate note though I think Grylander is probably town but that's fairly pointless to say atp imo)

Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

You make some interesting progressions

[Gyrlander]

Zone > Gyro > Martin

Don't overthink now, it literally all aligns together.

Please tell me what's up with Zone and Martin in a clear way. You have been talking about Zone making "newbie mistakes" but I apparently missed those posts. And your interaction with Mike makes me want to vote you for being a haughty ass but yeah.

[Mike]

per·suade
/pərˈswād/

verb
cause (someone) to do something through reasoning or argument.
"it wasn't easy, but I persuaded him to do the right thing"

I have to say this is one of the harder games to read people.

1 - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnae Town/Mafia ????? Bruno is hard Scum reading him and I think Bruno is town.
2 - firebanger Mafia lean on him not town sideing felt like he is pushing the insanity between Bruno and Rene. but if rene is Mafia fire cant be MAfia.
3 - dungeon master Have no clue who this is????
4 - steve the pirate Well he hardly ever posts. Sus him as Town. Due to being Him. I think he would post more if he was mafia.
5 - Whysper ???????????????????????????
6 - Fred I know I am Town
7 - Martinelli Mafia lean
8 - mallow Scum lean on him the fact he did not list me in his reads has be questioning him. He always every game I have played in with him has a read on me. Also his early post saying I can have him in his pocket. That does not sound like Town MM.
9 - Frost "where's my nickname" Byte ?????????????I need to reread make sure I am not confusing frost with Fire.
10 - gry I want to lean more town but he can be Town reading me for real or trying to pocket me. Still in the air with him.
11 - BRUNO???!!! Dude is eather hard town or dont give a crap mafia. I am leaning more Hard town.
12 - Ken Kenny You all will hate me for this but IDGAF I think he is Town.
13 - yuki2 Who is this?
14 - Barker Nul on him. He has down townie and scummy things equaly. As town PR in sprits he tryed to be scummy and got lynched for it.
15 - Scone Who is this?

[Mike]

Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

OK you voteing my top town MartinGG99 no way you think this guy is mafia. PLease explaine if you want me to remove my vote from you.

[Gyrlander]

dude I swear whysper was online today, I saw their name below before MM posted bunch of crap, I even said hi and wanted to talk. they didn't bother posting a single time.


i don't expect you guys to believe me in this but if you all helped me put some pressure on them, we could had more information now so yeah gj everyone avoiding whysper, my only vote won't make them talk




Forget about Whysper for today. We'll mention him tomorrow.

[Mike]

Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)

Kenny and Zone is TvT

[MartinGG99]

I have to say this is one of the harder games to read people.

1 - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnae Town/Mafia ????? Bruno is hard Scum reading him and I think Bruno is town.
2 - firebanger Mafia lean on him not town sideing felt like he is pushing the insanity between Bruno and Rene. but if rene is Mafia fire cant be MAfia.
3 - dungeon master Have no clue who this is????
4 - steve the pirate Well he hardly ever posts. Sus him as Town. Due to being Him. I think he would post more if he was mafia.
5 - Whysper ???????????????????????????
6 - Fred I know I am Town
7 - Martinelli Mafia lean
8 - mallow Scum lean on him the fact he did not list me in his reads has be questioning him. He always every game I have played in with him has a read on me. Also his early post saying I can have him in his pocket. That does not sound like Town MM.
9 - Frost "where's my nickname" Byte ?????????????I need to reread make sure I am not confusing frost with Fire.
10 - gry I want to lean more town but he can be Town reading me for real or trying to pocket me. Still in the air with him.
11 - BRUNO???!!! Dude is eather hard town or dont give a crap mafia. I am leaning more Hard town.
12 - Ken Kenny You all will hate me for this but IDGAF I think he is Town.
13 - yuki2 Who is this?
14 - Barker Nul on him. He has down townie and scummy things equaly. As town PR in sprits he tryed to be scummy and got lynched for it.
15 - Scone Who is this?


If you need a full player list in alphabetical order its this:

Bakermir
Bakieh
Bruno
Dark Magician
Gyrlander
Firebringer
Frostbyte
Kenny
Marshmallow Marshall
MartinGG99
Mike
Renegade
theoneceko
Whysper
Zone Q11

[Zone_Q11]

Ok I know y'all are getting pocketed by cryouts to motherly instincts easier than I am. So I think about this: as what are alignment are you more worried about people feeling let down by your play? It's always, absolutely always, mafia. You only care about your team going on as mafia. When you're town you eat it up. Like 10 more townies around anyway. Nothing's gonna happen from one mistake or two.
Worried about people feeling let down? I don't do that as scum though? If I was scum, then I know that my scumbuddies will somehow manage without me. They always do.


What the hell do you want me to answer? You say you are gonna be toxic and then when someone is toxic at you you cry like a baby. I don't know man, that's all I've to say.
No? Unless I am misremembering stuff, all I said was that I was going to enjoy the toxicity.
--and I regret saying that, because Bruno was much more than I bargained for.


Oh. My self-vote didn't count.

Whatever
Zone_Q11

At least his or my slot needs to be resolved. If Zone is somehow scum then hey at least he died and I'm going down with him thanks to Kenney's ingenuity

And if he's town then fuck the arguments you've made kenny

I know they're town but its shit in terms of being incorrect (except for Gyrlander, I think he's town but its not like a strong read)
Thank you. I can finally leave soon...

[Gyrlander]

Oh my fucking God this is such a clusterfuck

[Mike]

MartinGG99 (4 [L-4]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall, Gyrlander
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, MartinGG99
Mike (1 [L-7]):
theoneceko
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer

I dont like MM is in this vote with me.

[bakermir]

I have to say this is one of the harder games to read people.

1 - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnae Town/Mafia ????? Bruno is hard Scum reading him and I think Bruno is town.
2 - firebanger Mafia lean on him not town sideing felt like he is pushing the insanity between Bruno and Rene. but if rene is Mafia fire cant be MAfia.
3 - dungeon master Have no clue who this is????
4 - steve the pirate Well he hardly ever posts. Sus him as Town. Due to being Him. I think he would post more if he was mafia.
5 - Whysper ???????????????????????????
6 - Fred I know I am Town
7 - Martinelli Mafia lean
8 - mallow Scum lean on him the fact he did not list me in his reads has be questioning him. He always every game I have played in with him has a read on me. Also his early post saying I can have him in his pocket. That does not sound like Town MM.
9 - Frost "where's my nickname" Byte ?????????????I need to reread make sure I am not confusing frost with Fire.
10 - gry I want to lean more town but he can be Town reading me for real or trying to pocket me. Still in the air with him.
11 - BRUNO???!!! Dude is eather hard town or dont give a crap mafia. I am leaning more Hard town.
12 - Ken Kenny You all will hate me for this but IDGAF I think he is Town.
13 - yuki2 Who is this?
14 - Barker Nul on him. He has down townie and scummy things equaly. As town PR in sprits he tryed to be scummy and got lynched for it.
15 - Scone Who is this?


Mike

[bakermir]

mike is literally painting targets for mafia here

[Gyrlander]

No.

[bakermir]

No.

thank you

[Kenny]

Please tell me what's up with Zone and Martin in a clear way. You have been talking about Zone making "newbie mistakes" but I apparently missed those posts. And your interaction with Mike makes me want to vote you for being a haughty ass but yeah.

Look I'm not keeping notes with the number of every post I write. I'd have to search for the posts with zone's fuck ups or my explanations to them as much as you would. If you want to look like you care, do the work yourself, scroll up, go through my iso, read what I'm writing. The same applies to my read on Martin too. Town's gotta form reads for themselves. There is no tldr with one sentence.

[Gyrlander]

Zone_QQ just say once more that you want to die and I'm voting your ass

[Mike]

mike is literally painting targets for mafia here

Ok that was not my intent. But your response was a Mistake. not scum just a mistake. Dude If I was mafia I would keep that to myself and talk about it in mafia chat.

[Gyrlander]

Look I'm not keeping notes with the number of every post I write. I'd have to search for the posts with zone's fuck ups or my explanations to them as much as you would. If you want to look like you care, do the work yourself, scroll up, go through my iso, read what I'm writing. The same applies to my read on Martin too. Town's gotta form reads for themselves. There is no tldr with one sentence.

Okey bro, I'll keep writing my stuff. You can keep being an ass if you want.

[bakermir]

Zone_QQ just say once more that you want to die and I'm voting your ass

im ok with ZONEQQ too

but i think Mike is a bigger threat

[bakermir]

MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, MartinGG99
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer

[Gyrlander]

All I remember you said about Zone is that he hasn't said he isn't Mafia. I'm asking you something more, I don't expect you to mention every post but you should have a general idea to make me understand where you at right now. Capiche?

Martin all I've read from you is a literal continous "no, you're reeking scum" to every post of his so I'm legit ignoring that one.

[bakermir]

I can't believe I am voting someone together with my top scumread


we all suck

[Mike]

im ok with ZONEQQ too

but i think Mike is a bigger threat

Baker LOL I gave my reads. I read you as town now. But think think hard. Why would I as Mafia say targets in day chat???? Mafia have a night chat to discuss that. So think about it. ROFLOL

[bakermir]

Baker LOL I gave my reads. I read you as town now. But think think hard. Why would I as Mafia say targets in day chat???? Mafia have a night chat to discuss that. So think about it. ROFLOL

ceko is my mafia read

you are my neutral read. you are helping mafia

[bakermir]

ceko got TR'd by a lot of people from different parties.


isn't that suspicious???

[Mike]

im ok with ZONEQQ too

but i think Mike is a bigger threat

Also why are you ok with Zone.
If you are town you need to find Zone. I have him as my top town, with how you responded to my post you are also in my top town now. Dude I never in a million years expected you to out yourself like that.

[Mike]

ceko is my mafia read

you are my neutral read. you are helping mafia

I have said Ceko is in my mafia reads roflol. This is why I asked him to be checked tonight.

[bakermir]

Also why are you ok with Zone.
If you are town you need to find Zone. I have him as my top town, with how you responded to my post you are also in my top town now. Dude I never in a million years expected you to out yourself like that.

mike you are doing the same thing in spirits and I am not having that AGAIN!

[Kenny]

All I remember you said about Zone is that he hasn't said he isn't Mafia. I'm asking you something more, I don't expect you to mention every post but you should have a general idea to make me understand where you at right now. Capiche?

Martin all I've read from you is a literal continous "no, you're reeking scum" to every post of his so I'm legit ignoring that one.

Zone has been stuck in one mindset since practically the start of this game. He was called scum once, experienced a healthy dose of toxicity, and practically gave up. He did not once say that the people calling him scum are wrong, or acting scummy in doing so. He continued to focus on himself, talk about himself regretting to sign up, he got all emotional. Later on he then started trying to justify his lack of a reaction to the scumreads thrown at him. He still isn't calling anyone scum as far as I can tell.
The justifying part is the newbie mistake I mentioned a bunch of times. When you're town and realize you messed up you try to understand where the other townies are coming from and accept their reads. You don't go further in your hole and say you're being right, while also not denying that they are being right. Only exposed scum do that.

Take this as a tldr of the back of my head.

[Kenny]

ceko got TR'd by a lot of people from different parties.


isn't that suspicious???

No it's not

[Mike]

mike you are doing the same thing in spirits and I am not having that AGAIN!

For the last time In sprits I played exactly as I would as town. I had a role where I have to hunt down mafia to win. Dude there is no Virus in this game.
So yes I will be playing the exact same as in sprits because I am TOWN.

I need to hunt Mafia to win as Town here. How do you not see this?????????

[Mike]

Zone has been stuck in one mindset since practically the start of this game. He was called scum once, experienced a healthy dose of toxicity, and practically gave up. He did not once say that the people calling him scum are wrong, or acting scummy in doing so. He continued to focus on himself, talk about himself regretting to sign up, he got all emotional. Later on he then started trying to justify his lack of a reaction to the scumreads thrown at him. He still isn't calling anyone scum as far as I can tell.
The justifying part is the newbie mistake I mentioned a bunch of times. When you're town and realize you messed up you try to understand where the other townies are coming from and accept their reads. You don't go further in your hole and say you're being right, while also not denying that they are being right. Only exposed scum do that.

Take this as a tldr of the back of my head.

Anyone sum reading Kenny should be ashamed.

If zone is Mafia and I got pocketed again. I am going to take a break from FM. and just play VM for a while.
Do you think Martin is doing the same thing again? bussing his partner day 1 for the town cred like last game when he bussed MM day 1.

[Mike]

Kenny

[Kenny]

Anyone sum reading Kenny should be ashamed.

If zone is Mafia and I got pocketed again. I am going to take a break from FM. and just play VM for a while.
Do you think Martin is doing the same thing again? bussing his partner day 1 for the town cred like last game when he bussed MM day 1.

I wasn't in that game and didn't read it. I have no way to answer that for you now lol

[Kenny]

I've actually never played with Martin before, pretty sure

[Mike]

I wasn't in that game and didn't read it. I have no way to answer that for you now lol

Ok MM was like the GF and Martion was his demon. only 2 mafia in the game. Martian Voted for his Partner day 1 could have moved his vote and safed his partner but let him die for the town cred.

[Zone_Q11]

Zone_QQ just say once more that you want to die and I'm voting your ass
"I wish to die."


im ok with ZONEQQ too

but i think Mike is a bigger threat
I think Mike is Princess Toadstool, but I am committed to policy lynch Bruno, so I won't do anything about it.


Baker LOL I gave my reads. I read you as town now. But think think hard. Why would I as Mafia say targets in day chat???? Mafia have a night chat to discuss that. So think about it. ROFLOL
...hm? Mafia can't talk at day?


Zone has been stuck in one mindset since practically the start of this game. He was called scum once, experienced a healthy dose of toxicity, and practically gave up. He did not once say that the people calling him scum are wrong, or acting scummy in doing so. He continued to focus on himself, talk about himself regretting to sign up, he got all emotional. Later on he then started trying to justify his lack of a reaction to the scumreads thrown at him. He still isn't calling anyone scum as far as I can tell.
The justifying part is the newbie mistake I mentioned a bunch of times. When you're town and realize you messed up you try to understand where the other townies are coming from and accept their reads. You don't go further in your hole and say you're being right, while also not denying that they are being right. Only exposed scum do that.

Take this as a tldr of the back of my head.
If it's scumteam you want, then I'll just say it's you, Ceko, and FrostByte. The former two backs each other up while the last one just complains about everyone else AFAIK.

Ceko's vote on you was a surprise, but I knew that wouldn't last long.

[Kenny]

But Martin made a lot of appeals to emotion, so I suppose the answer is yes

[Kenny]

Ok MM was like the GF and Martion was his demon. only 2 mafia in the game. Martian Voted for his Partner day 1 could have moved his vote and safed his partner but let him die for the town cred.

In that case no. There is no easy way for martin to save his partner here

[bakermir]

For the last time In sprits I played exactly as I would as town. I had a role where I have to hunt down mafia to win. Dude there is no Virus in this game.
So yes I will be playing the exact same as in sprits because I am TOWN.

I need to hunt Mafia to win as Town here. How do you not see this?????????



Yes, playing as town is in your scumrange, we know it. you have 100% winrate as 3P and if we don't stop you soon, town is doomed.

I know no one is going to vote you today because scum will have to choose now between you and me. they either visit you or visit me tonight.



look at the game mike. scum is caught and you are doing your best to guide them so the game can be in your favour but not town.


I remember the town mike from Antivaxx, I called MM scum and thunderdomed him day 1 and you knew he was scum but you were nice to him so you thunderdomed zedus because you didn't wanted the game end on day 1. but when you scumhunt, I know you can find all the scum as town when you are REALLY TOWN. i read mildred game and that game isn't really a good example because of blackmail mechanics

[Mike]

"I wish to die."


I think Mike is Princess Toadstool, but I am committed to policy lynch Bruno, so I won't do anything about it.


...hm? Mafia can't talk at day?


If it's scumteam you want, then I'll just say it's you, Ceko, and FrostByte. The former two backs each other up while the last one just complains about everyone else AFAIK.

Ceko's vote on you was a surprise, but I knew that wouldn't last long.

In most Sc2mafia setup no they cant but good point.

BananaCucho Can mafia talk during the day in there Chat?

[bakermir]

BananaCucho

can hidden any roll 4th mafia? i know it is slim chances but just wondering if it is possible

[Gyrlander]

Zone has been stuck in one mindset since practically the start of this game. He was called scum once, experienced a healthy dose of toxicity, and practically gave up. He did not once say that the people calling him scum are wrong, or acting scummy in doing so. He continued to focus on himself, talk about himself regretting to sign up, he got all emotional. Later on he then started trying to justify his lack of a reaction to the scumreads thrown at him. He still isn't calling anyone scum as far as I can tell.
The justifying part is the newbie mistake I mentioned a bunch of times. When you're town and realize you messed up you try to understand where the other townies are coming from and accept their reads. You don't go further in your hole and say you're being right, while also not denying that they are being right. Only exposed scum do that.

Take this as a tldr of the back of my head.

Got it. That's a thing I've been trying to fix telling him to stop being a pussy but it seems it won't change.

[Gyrlander]

Also, where did you read on Renegade go? You changed from Rene to me/zone/martin all of a sudden.

[bakermir]

Also, where did you read on Renegade go? You changed from Rene to me/zone/martin all of a sudden.

renegade and bruno distanced.


there is a possiblity they bussed each other hard

[Gyrlander]

I have said Ceko is in my mafia reads roflol. This is why I asked him to be checked tonight.

If I'm correct you said you were townreading him. Then after he voted you you started scumreading him. Then, after he apparently justified his vote on you you started to cancel your scumread (without townreading him) and now you say you're scumreading him. So what is it? How % is he scum?

[Kenny]

"I wish to die."


I think Mike is Princess Toadstool, but I am committed to policy lynch Bruno, so I won't do anything about it.


...hm? Mafia can't talk at day?


If it's scumteam you want, then I'll just say it's you, Ceko, and FrostByte. The former two backs each other up while the last one just complains about everyone else AFAIK.

Ceko's vote on you was a surprise, but I knew that wouldn't last long.

that's actually a good read about me, ceko, frostbyte. I don't even have a read on frostbyte to respond to that with.
Ceko's post that locked him as town for me was this:

the whole thing. i'm not omniscient :angerry: r u trying to make me look like i LIED about reading the setup??

guess i'll check and post what i find so EVERYONE knows the answer. town should never be kept in the dark unless u have a high-iq play up ur sleeve.

~

ok ig the answer is YES all mafia can act at the same time. i don't think it said in the setup explicitly though, which is why i pinged banana.

He did it shortly after Mike coming in with the surface reads, and literally messed up on info that is written right in mafia rolecard. That seems like too much wifom for him to have knowingly done that.

[Gyrlander]

renegade and bruno distanced.


there is a possiblity they bussed each other hard

I appreciate your intake but I don't understand what that has to do with my post asking Kenny lol.

[Mike]

"I wish to die."


I think Mike is Princess Toadstool, but I am committed to policy lynch Bruno, so I won't do anything about it.


...hm? Mafia can't talk at day?


If it's scumteam you want, then I'll just say it's you, Ceko, and FrostByte. The former two backs each other up while the last one just complains about everyone else AFAIK.

Ceko's vote on you was a surprise, but I knew that wouldn't last long.

I am not Princess Toadstool.

Princess Toadstool
You have two bulletproof vests. If you change your alignment you lose them.
If Mario or Luigi checks you, you become Lovebird Princess Toadstool
If Bowser tries to kill you, you become Princess Toadstool
If neither Mario nor Luigi nor Bowser converts you and they all die, OR if Mario checks Team Koopa AND Bowser dies, you become Abandoned Love.

Oh she has BP vests. I wish I was her. I will give a hint to my role lol you figure it out lol.

[Mike]

BananaCucho

can hidden any roll 4th mafia? i know it is slim chances but just wondering if it is possible

Great question I had not even considered that.

[Mike]

renegade and bruno distanced.


there is a possiblity they bussed each other hard

No no way not even remotely Will not even consider that world.

[bakermir]

I appreciate your intake but I don't understand what that has to do with my post asking Kenny lol.

I know, I am just reminding you guys before it is too late

[Kenny]

Also, where did you read on Renegade go? You changed from Rene to me/zone/martin all of a sudden.

There's a lack of association tells around ren. And there's MM saying he's 100% sure ren is town. It's really just that

[BananaCucho]

In most Sc2mafia setup no they cant but good point.

BananaCucho Can mafia talk during the day in there Chat?

Per the setup, its night chat only


BananaCucho

can hidden any roll 4th mafia? i know it is slim chances but just wondering if it is possible

Hidden Any is any role in the game

[BananaCucho]

EOD in 1.5 hours

[Kenny]

Guys this is 15p we're not gonna have 4 mafia with half the town claiming citizen already

[Gyrlander]

There's a lack of association tells around ren. And there's MM saying he's 100% sure ren is town. It's really just that

Weak

[Kenny]

Weak

I'm aware

[Mike]

If I'm correct you said you were townreading him. Then after he voted you you started scumreading him. Then, after he apparently justified his vote on you you started to cancel your scumread (without townreading him) and now you say you're scumreading him. So what is it? How % is he scum?

You are correct. I was hard town reading him. It was not his vote on me that scum read him. I have said why over and over. I said I felt he scum sliped. Then what his responce was I liked so was not willing to have him as todays lynch never stoped scum reading him. Just not todays lynch. Ie why I have asked for who ever is MArieo to check him toinght. over and over.

I can see how from your PoV what you are saying is correct. But I am trying to get a correct read on him. Me scum reading anyone does not make them scum. Me town reading someone does not make then Town. So yes I am going to be flop floping on day 1. I look for triggers key things people say. I know I can be wrong. As now My once top town read Zone, is not so hard town anymore after keny post because He stated facts I had not considered.

Day 1 is hard to get any true reads. We have 0 info to go on. Everyone has been scummy even ME and you. Only fact I have is I am town. Unless I am being Trolled by Banana on my Role card. I doubt that.

Gyr what is your read on me Honest read. I would love to hear it and why. If you read me as Town wHy ifd you read me as Scum Why

[Mike]

Guys this is 15p we're not gonna have 4 mafia with half the town claiming citizen already


Per the setup, its night chat only



Hidden Any is any role in the game

This is Bananana!!!!!!!!! So a 4th is a world we need to consider.

[Zone_Q11]

Ceko's post that locked him as town for me was this:

He did it shortly after Mike coming in with the surface reads, and literally messed up on info that is written right in mafia rolecard. That seems like too much wifom for him to have knowingly done that.
Eh... Ceko was answering a question you made, so it might as well be a scripted talk.

IYAM, out of all the posts that Ceko has written, the only one that made me doubt my scumread on him, would be when he voted Mike who was (and still is) the top Neutral suspect. Meanwhile, all I remember from you is your circular argument of "scum = scum" and nothing else.

--on a side note, there is literally a pool of three that nobody seems to be talking about; Firebringer, Whysper and Bahkieh. These three have been silent AFAICR and the only one who did something against this was Baker, who voted Whysper for a while before jumping off again to vote the most probable Neutral.

[Kenny]

Eh... Ceko was answering a question you made, so it might as well be a scripted talk.

IYAM, out of all the posts that Ceko has written, the only one that made me doubt my scumread on him, would be when he voted Mike who was (and still is) the top Neutral suspect. Meanwhile, all I remember from you is your circular argument of "scum = scum" and nothing else.

--on a side note, there is literally a pool of three that nobody seems to be talking about; Firebringer, Whysper and Bahkieh. These three have been silent AFAICR and the only one who did something against this was Baker, who voted Whysper for a while before jumping off again to vote the most probable Neutral.

There was no night 0

[Mike]

Guys this is 15p we're not gonna have 4 mafia with half the town claiming citizen already


Per the setup, its night chat only



Hidden Any is any role in the game


EOD in 1.5 hours

MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, MartinGG99
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer

Who is scummyest??????

[Kenny]

q11 gyro martin is my scumcore. Anyone of those 3 would be a good lynch. Everyone else would be a mistake. I won't be changing my mind here until I see a flip from one of those three. Gyro and zone currently trying to create a train outside that scumcore strengthens my read too. They won't push each other outside of unserious pushes, like Martin's who sounded downright depressive when he voted.

[Mike]

Eh... Ceko was answering a question you made, so it might as well be a scripted talk.

IYAM, out of all the posts that Ceko has written, the only one that made me doubt my scumread on him, would be when he voted Mike who was (and still is) the top Neutral suspect. Meanwhile, all I remember from you is your circular argument of "scum = scum" and nothing else.

--on a side note, there is literally a pool of three that nobody seems to be talking about; Firebringer, Whysper and Bahkieh. These three have been silent AFAICR and the only one who did something against this was Baker, who voted Whysper for a while before jumping off again to vote the most probable Neutral.

ok both you Martian and ceko have been saying this PLease back it up What makes me Netural???? you have said this WIFOM So now I dare anyone one of you 3 to back it up. I know I am town. Bake it up with fakes not just say it over and over to set me up for easy mislynch tomorrow.

[Zone_Q11]

I am not Princess Toadstool.

Princess Toadstool
You have two bulletproof vests. If you change your alignment you lose them.
If Mario or Luigi checks you, you become Lovebird Princess Toadstool
If Bowser tries to kill you, you become Princess Toadstool
If neither Mario nor Luigi nor Bowser converts you and they all die, OR if Mario checks Team Koopa AND Bowser dies, you become Abandoned Love.

Oh she has BP vests. I wish I was her. I will give a hint to my role lol you figure it out lol.
You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.


Guys this is 15p we're not gonna have 4 mafia with half the town claiming citizen already
Why would you think so?


Weak
Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to that?

[Mike]

q11 gyro martin is my scumcore. Anyone of those 3 would be a good lynch. Everyone else would be a mistake. I won't be changing my mind here until I see a flip from one of those three. Gyro and zone currently trying to create a train outside that scumcore strengthens my read too. They won't push each other outside of unserious pushes, like Martin's who sounded downright depressive when he voted.

But if zone was mafia why doest he flip his vote over to me. Get me mislyned to save martin????

[Kenny]

You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.


Why would you think so?


Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to that?

Balance? 4 mafia + 1 cult-like neut evil against 10 town would be near unwinnable

[Gyrlander]

You are correct. I was hard town reading him. It was not his vote on me that scum read him. I have said why over and over. I said I felt he scum sliped. Then what his responce was I liked so was not willing to have him as todays lynch never stoped scum reading him. Just not todays lynch. Ie why I have asked for who ever is MArieo to check him toinght. over and over.

I can see how from your PoV what you are saying is correct. But I am trying to get a correct read on him. Me scum reading anyone does not make them scum. Me town reading someone does not make then Town. So yes I am going to be flop floping on day 1. I look for triggers key things people say. I know I can be wrong. As now My once top town read Zone, is not so hard town anymore after keny post because He stated facts I had not considered.

Day 1 is hard to get any true reads. We have 0 info to go on. Everyone has been scummy even ME and you. Only fact I have is I am town. Unless I am being Trolled by Banana on my Role card. I doubt that.

Gyr what is your read on me Honest read. I would love to hear it and why. If you read me as Town wHy ifd you read me as Scum Why

I guess this post makes me kinda want to see you as Town because you use something similar to my way of reading people.

Not considering this my read on you was that you basically have been flip flopping this game. Even if you say there's a reason behind it it looked like that from the outside. Plus I really don't agree why you townread you townreads and you were saying I AM LOCKING THIS PERSON AS TOWN. And that made me actually a bit angry >:( somehow. My read on you is a basically a null which is no surprise as the majority of players are that to me.

Your play is kinda erratic all games but I've appreciated that your scum game is specially... crazy. However, with this last post you somehow explain your thinking process so it makes me want to think you may be Town. I'm just not that confident because you also gave a semi-reasonable explanation when you were scum but if you continue literally 180ºing the whole game then I'll have you as either Neutral or Scum.

And yes, I'm also using the Spirits game in which you say you were acting 100% Town... but I don't agree with you. Knowing that you're scum always changes something in the way you act even if you don't want to admit it.

[Mike]

You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.


Why would you think so?


Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to that?

Go read my past town games. It wil lmake sence Go read LAST Game what I did as town and look at my role I fliped. IT will all become clear.

[Zone_Q11]

There was no night 0
That doesn't mean that you wouldn't know each other as mafia, right?
...don't tell me the mafia don't know each other until Night 1.
...
BananaCucho, the mafia know who their scumbuddies are, right?

[Gyrlander]

q11 gyro martin is my scumcore. Anyone of those 3 would be a good lynch. Everyone else would be a mistake. I won't be changing my mind here until I see a flip from one of those three. Gyro and zone currently trying to create a train outside that scumcore strengthens my read too. They won't push each other outside of unserious pushes, like Martin's who sounded downright depressive when he voted.

You lie and also do not understand how I play this game. Ok.

[Gyrlander]

You WIFOMed to be Mario, then stated that you are not Mario, and instead asked Mairo to check you when other questionable people (e.g. Ceko and Kenny) were present. No matter how I see it, that looks like a Neutral wanting to get some kill-power.


Why would you think so?


Speaking of weak, didn't you say you would vote me? What happened to that?

I said I'd vote you if you kept your :((( I wanna die and leave this game attitude. Now that I think it, you should probably sub out instead of you getting lynched just for that.

[Kenny]

But if zone was mafia why doest he flip his vote over to me. Get me mislyned to save martin????

He's been a depressive potato this entire game. Like, you don't actually believe he'd have a chance of surviving this day after trying to suddenly start aggressively pushing an active player who has others townreading him, do you? That'd be suicidal

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Nothing outside of my own defense?

-_-


Aside from the last quote in this list, these are all posts responding to something that WASN'T directed at or directly related to me, and don't include the Bahkieh post. This only goes up to the time that MM made his vote on me.















Sometimes conversations are intentionally meant to be triggered on the defense Marshmallow Marshall




In fact, while looking at my own ISO, there's hardly much or any posts from me that are part of this "not getting involved in anything that isn't part of my defense" allegation, at the time that MM made that vote.

Explain this please, and don't forget that I specifically said that my reads-list and RTI with Ceko and others was meant to reaction-test them (hence the lack of explanation on the reads).

This is either a really bad tunnel or just a scum attempt to discredit me.

Huh. Your voice didn't exactly stand out to me, and you did a little bit more than I thought you did. However, none of that is you getting really involved into any of the pushes, either as a defender of a townread or as an attacker of a scumread. My point is not that you're actively avoiding a specific issue like you said in the post before the one I quoted, but that you haven't committed to any; the strongest and by far the most memorable intervention you made was to defend yourself. That's what "doesn't get himself really involved in anything outside of his own defense" means.

[Bruno]

-dayshoot Zone_Q11

[Zone_Q11]

But if zone was mafia why doest he flip his vote over to me. Get me mislyned to save martin????
Because the menace that is Bruno is still alive, and I said that I'd tunnel Bruno until I die.


Balance? 4 mafia + 1 cult-like neut evil against 10 town would be near unwinnable
What's the point of putting "Hidden Any" if you don't actually add a "Hidden Koopa"?


Go read my past town games. It wil lmake sence Go read LAST Game what I did as town and look at my role I fliped. IT will all become clear.
Link please.

[BananaCucho]

That doesn't mean that you wouldn't know each other as mafia, right?
...don't tell me the mafia don't know each other until Night 1.
...
BananaCucho, the mafia know who their scumbuddies are, right?

Mafia rolecards include the names and roles of their partners, so yes

[Bruno]

Because the menace that is Bruno is still alive, and I said that I'd tunnel Bruno until I die.


What's the point of putting "Hidden Any" if you don't actually add a "Hidden Koopa"?


Link please.

faggot ass bitch eat my shit n kill urself

[Zone_Q11]

-dayshoot Zone_Q11
Speak of the devil. I can finally die.

[Bruno]

Speak of the devil. I can finally die.

ill fuck Mike 's wife and cum on ur face and then stab her pussy till she dies n then skin her n wear her skin while i strangle u 2 death faggot

[Gyrlander]

faggot ass bitch eat my shit n kill urself

Hey Bruno, your constant insults have stopped to be entertaining. Mind becoming a normal being now?

[Mike]

Because the menace that is Bruno is still alive, and I said that I'd tunnel Bruno until I die.


What's the point of putting "Hidden Any" if you don't actually add a "Hidden Koopa"?


Link please.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47605-S-FM-314-St-Mildred-s-Horror

[Gyrlander]

ill fuck Mike 's wife and cum on ur face and then stab her pussy till she dies n then skin her n wear her skin while i strangle u 2 death faggot

I'm pretty sure you're crossing many lines there.

[Bruno]

Hey Bruno, your constant insults have stopped to be entertaining. Mind becoming a normal being now?

fuck off

[Bruno]

I'm pretty sure you're crossing many lines there.

get fucked pussy boy

[Mike]

ill fuck Mike 's wife and cum on ur face and then stab her pussy till she dies n then skin her n wear her skin while i strangle u 2 death faggot

Its ok. We understand it is past your bed time. you Grumpy little man. remember tomorrow is your special day you turn 5 and become a Big Boy. I bet you are so excited.

[Bruno]

idr who said i distanced my self from Renegade but dude literally stopped posting so how am i distancing myself u fucking retard

[Bruno]

Its ok. We understand it is past your bed time. you Grumpy little man. remember tomorrow is your special day you turn 5 and become a Big Boy. I bet you are so excited.

ur wife is excited 2 drain my fat cock of all this cum

[Bruno]

https://baybrotha.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/slaves1.jpg

me n all my niggas posted on the block

[Gyrlander]

get fucked pussy boy

May God hear you

[Bruno]

Mike did you know your wife loves anal? i figured out last night 8)

[Mike]

ur Dog is excited 2 drain my 2 Millimeter cock of all this cum

It is ok, It just makes you Special.

[Bruno]

It is ok, It just makes you Special.

bro ur wife gimme retarded head that bitch must have down syndrome

[Mike]

Mike did you know your Dog loves anal? i figured out last night 8)

Dude stop trying to screw the Dogs that is just sick

[Gyrlander]

Bruno who do you scumread?

[Bruno]

It is ok, It just makes you Special.

also you literally just compared ur wife 2 ur dog u fucking misogynistic trump voting piece of shit nazi racist cunt

[Bruno]

Bruno who do you scumread?

i already fucking said

Zone_Q11
Renegade Marshmallow Marshall


and then Gyrlander

[Bruno]

mike keeps saying his dog and his wife are the same what a fucking woman hating piece of shit dude

[Mike]

i already fucking said

Zone_Q11
Renegade Marshmallow Marshall


and then Gyrlander

You are an asshole But a Town asshole.

[Bruno]

You are an asshole But a Town asshole.

no im the dick, your wife's the asshole

[MartinGG99]

MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, MartinGG99
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer


I guess we can go for the policy lynch. Jester-like role isn't possible anyways.

Bruno

I don't appreciate that Bruno is only bringing up Mike's Wife only after Mike mentioned it.

Which makes it preety much a 100% personally targeted move rather than any sort of game move.

BananaCucho

[BananaCucho]

Reminder that EOD is in less than an hour

Also reminder that lunch will only occur if a majority of players come to a consensus on the menu choice

[Mike]

mike keeps saying his dog and his wife are the same what a fucking woman hating piece of shit dude

Dude I know you have this thing with dogs. You need special help. OK today we learn the diffrence form a Dog and a human.

1 Dogs are pets.
1 Humans are not

2 Humans have sex with humans
2 Humans Do not have sex with Dogs. (Even if thye are upset becuse there Dick is only 2 MM )

[MartinGG99]

MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, MartinGG99
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer


I guess we can go for the policy lynch. Jester-like role isn't possible anyways.

Bruno

I don't appreciate that Bruno is only bringing up Mike's Wife only after Mike mentioned it.

Which makes it preety much a 100% personally targeted move rather than any sort of game move.

BananaCucho

Dude's out here to hurt us all after something bad happened to him IRL.

He's not playing fmpov.

[Bruno]

Dude I know you have this thing with dogs. You need special help. OK today we learn the diffrence form a Dog and a human.

1 Dogs are pets.
1 Humans are not

2 Humans have sex with humans
2 Humans Do not have sex with Dogs. (Even if thye are upset becuse there Dick is only 2 MM )

so then when i say i fucked ur wife why do u confuse ur wife with ur dog

u fuck ur dog or somethin?

[Bruno]

MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, MartinGG99
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer


I guess we can go for the policy lynch. Jester-like role isn't possible anyways.

Bruno

I don't appreciate that Bruno is only bringing up Mike's Wife only after Mike mentioned it.

Which makes it preety much a 100% personally targeted move rather than any sort of game move.

BananaCucho

eat my ass

[Bruno]

MartinGG99 just confirmed the scumread ppl had on him.

Zone_Q11
MartinGG99
Marshmallow Marshall

--

Renegade
Gyrlander

current scum list

[Mike]

so then when i say i fucked ur dog why do u confuse ur dog with ur dog

i fuck my dog all the time!

Bruno is a lost cause, So sad he will never be able to function in normal society.

[Bruno]

Bruno is a lost cause, So sad he will never be able to function in normal society.

what's sad is that you masquerade as a grown ass man. grow up soon, faggot!

[Mike]

what's sad is that you masquerade as a grown ass man. grow up soon, faggot!

Well, it is ok little man let the anger out. As I laff my ass off.

[MartinGG99]

Done.

https://i.imgur.com/JgUfACw.jpg

[Bruno]

Well, it is ok little man let the anger out. As I laff my ass off.

u aint gonna be laughin while i fuck ur wife

[Zone_Q11]

Also reminder that lunch will only occur if a majority of players come to a consensus on the menu choice
...you have got to be kidding me.

Firebringer, Dark Magician: Get off your vanity wagons!
Bahkieh, Whysper: Get over here and vote!

[Bruno]

Done.

https://i.imgur.com/JgUfACw.jpg

lmfao literal retard

[Bruno]

...you have got to be kidding me.

Firebringer, Dark Magician: Get off your vanity wagons!
Bahkieh, Whysper: Get over here and vote!

look at this scum lmao faggot

[Bruno]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/medalofhonor/images/5/52/Nazi_war_flag.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141128200551


http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/04/23/15/Auschwitz.jpg


ALL ABOARD! Renegade

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/5d/3d/f35d3d7277fd316f3ce8e9c29020c1f9.jpg

choo choo

[Zone_Q11]

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47605-S-FM-314-St-Mildred-s-Horror

Welp. I guess I will spend the next 30 minutes reading this game.
...shouldn't be that hard with only 15+ pages.

[Bruno]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/medalofhonor/images/5/52/Nazi_war_flag.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141128200551


http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/04/23/15/Auschwitz.jpg


Welp. I guess I will spend the next 30 minutes reading this game.
...shouldn't be that hard with only 15+ pages.

youre a sad, pathetic little man. weak. end it all. hold ur head up high n blow ur brains out

[Gyrlander]

...you have got to be kidding me.

Firebringer, Dark Magician: Get off your vanity wagons!
Bahkieh, Whysper: Get over here and vote!

Zone_Q11

[Bruno]

Zone_Q11

incredibly based move

[MartinGG99]

Welp. I guess I will spend the next 30 minutes reading this game.
...shouldn't be that hard with only 15+ pages.

Just a forewarning I wasn't really playing seriously that game as scum, aside from my day 1 bus.

[Mike]

u aint gonna be laughin while i fuck ur dog

Of course Not I would be pukeing that is just sick man.

[MartinGG99]

Of course Not I would be pukeing that is just sick man.

yo just add him to your ignore list via his profile page

he aint worthy of your love

[Mike]

yo just add him to your ignore list via his profile page

he aint worthy of your love

No need he is better to play with than Zedus.

[Gyrlander]

incredibly based move

https://i.gyazo.com/e3442b8216d6045e74612df258073420.png

Thank you.

[MartinGG99]

Looks like we're getting no shrooms today

EoD in 36 min

[Mike]

MartinGG99 (3 [L-5]):
Mike, Kenny, Marshmallow Marshall
Renegade (1 [L-7]):
FrostByte
Bruno (3 [L-5]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade, MartinGG99
Zone_Q11 (2 [L-6]):
Bruno, Gyrlander
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer

[Kenny]

zone_q11

[Kenny]

MartinGG99 place your vote on zone if you wanna look town. It's him or no-lynch now

[Mike]

zone_q11

I am not opposed to this.
zone_q11

[FrostByte]

Zone_Q11

[FrostByte]

3 MAS

[Mike]

MartinGG99 place your vote on zone if you wanna look town. It's him or no-lynch now

He had his vote on him earlyer. So I cna not see why Martin if town would be opposed to this.

[FrostByte]

@MartinGG99 (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=21928) place your vote on zone if you wanna look town. It's him or no-lynch now

The only way to be pro town is to lynch? How did you come to that conclusion?

[Gyrlander]

I am not opposed to this.
zone_q11

Sorry Mike but YOU JUST SAID YOU WERE TOWNREADING HIM

[Bruno]

He had his vote on him earlyer. So I cna not see why Martin if town would be opposed to this.

Was just teasin u. i respect that u held ur ground and didnt fold like a pussy. +town

[Mike]

Zone_Q11 (5 [L-3]):
Mike, FrostByte, Bruno, Kenny, Gyrlander
Bruno (3 [L-5]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade, MartinGG99
MartinGG99 (1 [L-7]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer

[Mike]

Was just teasin u. i respect that u held ur ground and didnt fold like a pussy. +town

To be honest I was laffing my ass off the whole time.

[Bruno]

To be honest I was laffing my ass off the whole time.

Lmao. Ppl take shit 2 seriously

[Mike]

Lmao. Ppl take shit 2 seriously

Trolling is one thing but personal attacks is another.

I knew you where not doing personal attacks just trolling. People don't know how to tell the difference. One of the reasons. I like Banana and Blink.
Old school people like is are fadeing. Now it is Mommy my pussy hurts.

[MartinGG99]

Zone_Q11

[MartinGG99]

Zone_Q11 (6 [L-2]):
Mike, FrostByte, Bruno, Kenny, Gyrlander, MartinGG99
Bruno (2 [L-6]):
Zone_Q11, Renegade
MartinGG99 (1 [L-7]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Mike (2 [L-6]):
theoneceko, bakermir
Gyrlander (1 [L-7]):
Dark Magician
Kenny (1 [L-7]):
Firebringer

[Bruno]

Dark Magician i know ur town, vote zone

theoneceko i know ur town. vote vone

[Mike]

Dark Magician i know ur town, vote zone

theoneceko i know ur town. vote vone

You really read ceko as town?

[FrostByte]

Because the menace that is Bruno is still alive, and I said that I'd tunnel Bruno until I die.

Even if you are town you won't be helpful tunneling someone that hard because they offended your delicate sensibilities. The flip is worth more than your skewed input.

[Bruno]

You really read ceko as town?

for the most part

[Bruno]

Dark Magician i know you're looking. vote for zone. u will look scum. ppl voting zone are more likely town than not at this point

[Renegade]

I'm okay with this vote

Zone_QQ11

[Dark Magician]

Zones an obvious ML.

[Kenny]

bakermir Renegade EoD in 20 minutes

[Renegade]

I'm okay with this vote

Zone_QQ11

FuCk

Zone_Q11

[Kenny]

I'm okay with this vote

Zone_QQ11

you have a typo there

[Dark Magician]

Still think Gyrlander is Scum.

[bakermir]

Zones an obvious ML.

they are just gamethrowing

let them

[bakermir]

town should be voting Mike for TPR hunting

[Kenny]

baker what the fuck do you know now

[bakermir]

baker what the fuck do you know now


zone flip value = 0


you or martin are better options for flip value. ceko too.


or vote Mike the outed 3P

[bakermir]

FuCk

Zone_Q11

nice thunderdome u scum

[Kenny]

zone flip value = 0


you or martin are better options for flip value. ceko too.


or vote Mike the outed 3P

On what basis? Why the fuck did you wait till now to start talking? EoD is 10 minutes. We have pretty good association tells on zone with gyro and martin. The guy has been acting scummy and did nothing to tell the town. We'd literally have this same situation every other day too if he's not flipping over now

[Mike]

town should be voting Mike for TPR hunting

Dude show me where I TPR hunted???

[Gyrlander]

On what basis? Why the fuck did you wait till now to start talking? EoD is 10 minutes. We have pretty good association tells on zone with gyro and martin. The guy has been acting scummy and did nothing to tell the town. We'd literally have this same situation every other day too if he's not flipping over now

You mean YOU have.

[bakermir]

yea zone is equally annoying as bruno

neither have flip value



GREAT SCUM THEATRE



when I flip tonight get the people who pushed for this lynch

[Kenny]

You mean YOU have.

Martin literally went off a few minutes ago now that there's a solid train on zone. he even voted bruno saying policy lynch

[Kenny]

yea zone is equally annoying as bruno

neither have flip value



GREAT SCUM THEATRE



when I flip tonight get the people who pushed for this lynch

Get zone to flip first. We'll have exactly this same situation tomorrow again if you don't

[Gyrlander]

Martin literally went off a few minutes ago now that there's a solid train on zone. he even voted bruno saying policy lynch

Just because he doesn't want to lynch Zone (thing which I haven't checked) doesn't mean scum, stop being a nazi please.

[Gyrlander]

Please hammer him and end this ty

[Bruno]

under zone, baker just jumped to #2 scum read

[Mike]

yea zone is equally annoying as bruno

neither have flip value



GREAT SCUM THEATRE



when I flip tonight get the people who pushed for this lynch

Dude, No one hunted you are just brodcasting you are Mario. I am like dude even a Blind Mafia can tell what you are claiming. So Protection on Baker tonight. Calll me scum for outing you but you outed yourself. at lest we can ask for any porotetive rolls on you at least.

When you RNG PR stop acting scummy and stop outing your role I mean for real man. In sprits I did not care becuse I was scum but this game I am a bit anoyed

[Mike]

under zone, baker just jumped to #2 scum read

baker is just town trust me is is playing the exact same as sprits.

[Bruno]

Dark Magician is #3 scum read under baker

[FrostByte]

4 minutes.

[FrostByte]

baker is just town trust me is is playing the exact same as sprits.

Nah bake super scummy

[Mike]

no lynch is worse for town no vote info.

[Bruno]

bakermir Dark Magician are scummier than Renegade

[Bruno]

you stupid fucks

[FrostByte]

Dark Magician do it

[bakermir]

zone_q11

town lose

[The Godfather]

Zone_Q11 has been hammered. Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Zone_Q11 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/45656') (8 [L-0]): Mike ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898948'), FrostByte ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898949'), Bruno ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898531'), Kenny ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898946'), Renegade ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898969'), Gyrlander ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898937'), MartinGG99 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898959'), bakermir ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898995')
Bruno ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/2166') (1 [L-7]): Zone_Q11 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=897882')
MartinGG99 ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/21928') (1 [L-7]): Marshmallow Marshall ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898538')
Mike ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27614') (1 [L-7]): theoneceko ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898583')
Gyrlander ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/11750') (1 [L-7]): Dark Magician ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898711')
Kenny ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/11836') (1 [L-7]): Firebringer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=898472')

[BananaCucho]

Scone is lunch! He is Bowser


Night 1 has begun and will end in 24 hours, night actions are due 1 hour before EOD

[BananaCucho]

Starting day 2 20 min early due to convenience (for me)




Day 2

Link to setup (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/47075-Mushroom-Kingdom-Madness-II-(15P))


Ken died last night. He was a Toad


He left a last will:
zone
https://i.gifer.com/5lU.gif
gyro
https://i.gifer.com/JRHE.gif
martin
https://i.gifer.com/R0Zz.gif


that's the 3 scum
remember


https://i.gifer.com/1uy9.gif


https://i.gifer.com/KY0.gif


https://i.gifer.com/Op2m.gif


They killed me because they know I'd mushroom them


Role List:


Bowser


Hidden Koopa Role


Hidden Koopa Role

Mario


Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role

Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role


Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role

Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role

Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role

Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role

Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role

Hidden Mushroom Kingdom Role

Hidden Neutral


Hidden Any
Hidden Any





Players:
1 - REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEnae
2 - firebanger
3 - dungeon master
4 - steve the pirate
5 - Whysper
6 - Fred
7 - Martinelli
8 - mallow
9 - Frost "where's my nickname" Byte
10 - gry
11 - BRUNO???!!!
13 - yuki2
14 - Barker






Graveyard:



Scone - Bowser - MUSHROOM'd Day 1
Ken - Toad - Killed Night 1





With 13 alive it takes 7


Day 2 ends in 48 hours (and 20 minutes) at 4 PM MDT on Wednesday, 10/28/2020


01:23:20:00

[Toadette]

December 5th, 2015

The search for Princess Toadstool is not going well. The press is dogging the Mayors Office every second of every day now, and the decision to enlist the help of Mario has been controversial.

"I know what you're doing. And it's not going to work" said a voice behind Mayor Toadette. Startled, she jumped. "You!", she said.

"You must change course now. Or you will fail."

December 6th, 2015

Both Bowser and Mario were spotted earlier this evening in Shroom Square. Mario attacked Bowser - but what he found was that someone had gotten there first. Bowser was held up, nailed standing to a cross. In his anger, Mario lifted him off of the cross and threw him - his body landed on Ken, a poor little Toad, and he didn't survive the trip to the hospital. People are now calling for Mario's arrest - what a mess.

I have refused to denounce Mario, even though some of the actions he has taken have been controversial. Mario always gets the job done and I expect he will here as well, and recovering the princess is the top priority, even if there are casualties.

- Mayor Toadette


https://i.imgur.com/ZTpG8CE.png

[Bahkieh]

Man, I figured they would've killed Bruno lol

[FrostByte]

OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY!

YOU BASTARDS!!!

[FrostByte]

Man, I figured they would've killed Bruno lol

Too obvious. He probably had someone protecting or healing him.

[Bruno]

OH MY GOD, THEY KILLED KENNY!

YOU BASTARDS!!!


was literally about to type this lmao

so, i called bowser day 1 by 2nd page. my 4th post i think? anyways

Renegade

maybe now yall will trust my scum reads

[FrostByte]

was literally about to type this lmao

so, i called bowser day 1 by 2nd page. my 4th post i think? anyways

Renegade

maybe now yall will trust my scum reads

Renegade

But I don't want to turbo lynch

[FrostByte]

@BananaCucho (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/10111-BananaCucho) did the mafia kill Kenny? Or did you not give specific info about it?

The way the (awesome) lore looks it says Mario did it but he can't do that in this setup

[FrostByte]

Mario attacked Bowser - but what he found was that someone had gotten there first. Bowser was held up, nailed standing to a cross.



This is metal as fuck and I strongly approve

[FrostByte]

If anyone is artistically gifted, we need a drawing of crucified Bowser

[Bruno]

very curious why Dark Magician lurked the last hr and a half of day 1 and refused to help lynch bowser

[FrostByte]

very curious why @Dark Magician (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=45531) lurked the last hr and a half of day 1 and refused to help lynch bowser

He was active at the very end and refused to hammer

[BananaCucho]

@BananaCucho (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/10111-BananaCucho) did the mafia kill Kenny? Or did you not give specific info about it?

The way the (awesome) lore looks it says Mario did it but he can't do that in this setup

Flavor posted by the wonderful Toadette has no bearing on the game (Mario didn't kill Kenny). I didn't include death descriptions in the original game, and I'm being consistent with that here.

[FrostByte]

Flavor posted by the wonderful Toadette has no bearing on the game (Mario didn't kill Kenny). I didn't include death descriptions in the original game, and I'm being consistent with that here.

Thank you for your swift response, sir. You're kicking ass at this hosting thing so far.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This is metal as fuck and I strongly approve

LOL wow, crucified scum.

I guess I was utterly wrong about Zone. Oops. I think Kenny's last will makes sense and that we maybe should follow it. Scum had lost control over the votes at EoD, so Martin could very well be scum (and I still stand by my D1 opinion on this), and Gyr... idk, it's possible, although I'm less sold than on Martin.

Also, I saw a post during the night from Renegade that made him look pretty good because of Zone's scum flip, lemme find it

[Bruno]

https://i.imgur.com/ZTpG8CE.png

[Bruno]

https://i.imgur.com/ZTpG8CE.png

BananaCucho u can go ahead n use this, chief

[FrostByte]

https://i.imgur.com/ZTpG8CE.png

Jesus Christ I don't know why I didn't expect that but I didn't :laugh:

[FrostByte]

LOL wow, crucified scum.

I guess I was utterly wrong about Zone. Oops. I think Kenny's last will makes sense and that we maybe should follow it. Scum had lost control over the votes at EoD, so Martin could very well be scum (and I still stand by my D1 opinion on this), and Gyr... idk, it's possible, although I'm less sold than on Martin.

Also, I saw a post during the night from Renegade that made him look pretty good because of Zone's scum flip, lemme find it

You definitely were. If you were so wrong then, why are you trying to steer town now? Wouldn't we be better off doing the opposite of what you say?

Vague. Why?

Why are you talking about Martin and Gyr specifically?

[FrostByte]

Scum never had control over votes. They don't have majority. Why would you assume that they did have control over votes at some point? And at what point do you think they lost control of votes?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

[To Zone]youre a sad, pathetic little man. weak. end it all. hold ur head up high n blow ur brains out

So, uh, outside of the... morality of this post, I think it's rather obvious Zone and Bruno weren't SvS. Bruno is lock town (or at least lock not-koopa)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

<!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: dbtech_usertag_mention -->
@<a href="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=10111" target="_blank">BananaCucho</a>
<!-- END TEMPLATE: dbtech_usertag_mention --> u can go ahead n use this, chief


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QLpiCzMWBk
@zoneQ11 :P

[FrostByte]

Also, I saw a post during the night from Renegade that made him look pretty good because of Zone's scum flip, lemme find it

And there are at least 10 that make him look terrible because of Zone Bowser flip. Why focus so much on clearing Renegade?

[Bruno]

So, uh, outside of the... morality of this post, I think it's rather obvious Zone and Bruno weren't SvS. Bruno is lock town (or at least lock not-koopa)

youre on my radar as much as zone was so id chill the fuck out with trying 2 guide town if i were u

[FrostByte]

So, uh, outside of the... morality of this post, I think it's rather obvious Zone and Bruno weren't SvS. Bruno is lock town (or at least lock not-koopa)

Anyone who reads the thread would know this. It almost looks like you're trying to seem helpful without actually being helpful.

[Renegade]

The only thing that tied me to Zone was conflict with Bruno.

Burno kept associating me Gyro and Zone just because we had conflict with him, nothing more.

That's why I didn't hesitate to vote Zone. Sure, could be major bussing, but with a majority vote? Why would scum vote Bowser when the day was like 15 minutes from ending. Why not run out the clock?

Frostbyte please reference exactly the 10 posts you claim incriminate me with Zone's Flip, and don't just quote Burno because nothing he said tied me to Zone. Thanks!

[Renegade]

At least for me Bruno is confirmed non-Koopa. that much is obvious.

[Renegade]

And there are at least 10 that make him look terrible because of Zone Bowser flip. Why focus so much on clearing Renegade?

Please reference these posts.

[MartinGG99]

Welp.

My town game (that I mentioned before was ongoing a few times) just finished 18 minutes ago, if yall want to look at it then its here:

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=273&t=1958&p=681297#p681293

It was a town win buuuut I don't think I contributed a whole lot except for D1 interactions and D3 reads that helped solidified some towns.

[MartinGG99]

Scum had lost control over the votes at EoD

What makes you so sure of that?

Zone quite literally on his first few posts suggested being open to his own elimination, which leaves the door open that maybe Zone was a controlled hard-bus (However not all interactions were fakeable....like Bruno's for obvious reasons).

[MartinGG99]

What makes you so sure of that?

Zone quite literally on his first few posts suggested being open to his own elimination, which leaves the door open that maybe Zone was a controlled hard-bus (However not all interactions were fakeable....like Bruno's for obvious reasons).

In fact there were some cases of vote switching around (such as mine) and there really wasn't any build-up of votes that was comparable to Zone_Q11's aside from the vote-count on me at one point.

[theoneceko]

rene is worth a re-read. i still think he's townier than mm though.

mm has a good point about gyr and martin (i worked on a wall yesterday that i'll post soon), but he's in a precarious position rn.

:^)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

You definitely were. If you were so wrong then, why are you trying to steer town now? Wouldn't we be better off doing the opposite of what you say?

Vague. Why?

Why are you talking about Martin and Gyr specifically?


So because I was wrong, I should just sit in a corner and not say what I think? Pssh. You're free not to listen to me, and I'm free to participate to the game (and I will do it). It'd even be anti-town not to do it lol. Ad hominems (because that's what you're doing atm) do not work in a context where we're looking for the objective truth.

Red and yellow: I'm talking about Martin and Gyr because they're the two other scum according to Kenny's last will; the part in yellow explains the part in red, so the part in red is not vague: I just explained it.

[theoneceko]

You definitely were. If you were so wrong then, why are you trying to steer town now? Wouldn't we be better off doing the opposite of what you say?

Vague. Why?

Why are you talking about Martin and Gyr specifically?


what a weird tunnel on mm. why start now?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

youre on my radar as much as zone was so id chill the fuck out with trying 2 guide town if i were u
You may kindly fuck off. I'm not going to sit there and pray for Bowser's crucifixion to save my soul. You're free not to like my points, but I'm free to make them.

Anyone who reads the thread would know this. It almost looks like you're trying to seem helpful without actually being helpful.

It hadn't been stated already. Establishing a town core based on the scum flip is the way to go, and you cannot deny that.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

what a weird tunnel on mm. why start now?

This is exactly what I'm wondering atm.

[theoneceko]

You may kindly fuck off. I'm not going to sit there and pray for Bowser's crucifixion to save my soul. You're free not to like my points, but I'm free to make them.


It hadn't been stated already. Establishing a town core based on the scum flip is the way to go, and you cannot deny that.

who's ur towncore?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

And there are at least 10 that make him look terrible because of Zone Bowser flip. Why focus so much on clearing Renegade?

Uh, which ones? Bring me the quotes. I'll bring mines.