S-FM 233: 8-2-2

[Gyrlander]

S-FM 8-2-2

Setup Link (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/40860-S-FM-8-2-2?)

Day One

Player List


1. Hybrid
2. SuperJack
3. RLVG Nawa
4. xramza
5. Scvmurderer
6. Player
7. mrtrophywife
8. Marshmallow Marshall
9. Otakudweeb69
10. Mesk514
11. Dr Unknown
12. TheDarkestLight

Graveyard

None


Night 1 / Day 2 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/40903-S-FM-233-8-2-2-Game-Thread?p=696414&viewfull=1#post696414)

Night 2 / Day 3 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/40903-S-FM-233-8-2-2-Game-Thread?p=696964&viewfull=1#post696964)

Night 3 / Day 4 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/40903-S-FM-233-8-2-2-Game-Thread?p=697355&viewfull=1#post697355)

Night 4 / Day 5 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/40903-S-FM-233-8-2-2-Game-Thread?p=697448&viewfull=1#post697448)

Night 1 will start in...

02:00:00:00


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[xramza]

Hello, it's me, the town leader.
I'll be driving this city to victory.


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[xramza]

It sounds like I have softclaimed bus driver.

I have not.

[PIayer]

Heya !!

Let it be known I put my alarm clock sooner just so I don't miss the beginning of the day.

Glad to be here, brb after drinking my coffee

[Gyrlander]

Some things:

If you think there's something wrong with your role card please PM me.

If you have any question about the setup / your role card you can either PM me or ask me in this thread making your question green.

PMs between players are NOT ALLOWED (in case you come from the Sc2mod)

[TheDarkestLight]

Hi there. Long time no see.

So many new folks came while I was gone. Heh. Still dead site tho.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hi there. Long time no see.

So many new folks came while I was gone. Heh. Still dead site tho.

How dare you?! The site is not dead lol.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I'll say the incantation:

I
AM
TOWN

[PIayer]

Im guilty of being new yeah
Should I call you TDL or TheDarkness? =p

"what is dead may never die but rises harder and stronger"

[PIayer]

Only got~ 30mn before going to work so I'll start by some questions/statements adressed to whoever have a clue, I'm hoping it will be answered in the meantime =)

- this setup looks a lot like the mod, many power roles, as a newcomer who only played the mod I appreciate, but it raises some concerns to me

- for example, while lurking I've gathered D1 lynch is near mandatory on FMF, is this also the case in this game with only 4 cits and a potential jailor? I assume it is, but would like to read things about it

- what's the stance we should take about neutral benign ?

- how random do you expect the role distribution to be ? for example the "lover" looks like a WW flavor brought into the game, but should I assume it has >33% proc rate for meta reasons or not?

- can a Marshall be healed before he's revealed? (maybe I can answer this one by myself reading the setup more carefully)


may got more but I think that's already decent for a start

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Only got~ 30mn before going to work so I'll start by some questions/statements adressed to whoever have a clue, I'm hoping it will be answered in the meantime =)

- this setup looks a lot like the mod, many power roles, as a newcomer who only played the mod I appreciate, but it raises some concerns to me

- for example, while lurking I've gathered D1 lynch is near mandatory on FMF, is this also the case in this game with only 4 cits and a potential jailor? I assume it is, but would like to read things about it

- what's the stance we should take about neutral benign ?

- how random do you expect the role distribution to be ? for example the "lover" looks like a WW flavor brought into the game, but should I assume it has >33% proc rate for meta reasons or not?

- can a Marshall be healed before he's revealed? (maybe I can answer this one by myself reading the setup more carefully)


may got more but I think that's already decent for a start

Raises some concerns? Why would it raise concerns to you if you are Town? It's good for townies to have many power roles. Should I assume that you are soft claiming TPR or scum?

Check the setup :P

We must know what's the Neutral Benign before answering this.

This is a RNG'd setup. However, I think the Lover was not that optional... it looks too cool for that lol.

No, marshall cannot be healed before reveal.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wow, I'm the only guy looking at this thread? Damn... This is not going to be a very active game :[

[Marshmallow Marshall]

It sounds like I have softclaimed bus driver.

I have not.

You soft claimed Town Government? :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Silent today, Hybrid?

[xramza]

I only have a minute but ill answer the most immediately relevant question.

I think that a day 1 lynch is still a good idea. With the nature of the setup and a day start the scum are presently lacking coordination.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I only have a minute but ill answer the most immediately relevant question.

I think that a day 1 lynch is still a good idea. With the nature of the setup and a day start the scum are presently lacking coordination.

Same for me.

[Dr Unknown]

Hola people, lets enjoy our game today :)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hola people, lets enjoy our game today :)

En Arudin Shakuras. So, what's your opinion on a Day 1 lynch? Know that there may be a jailor.

[PIayer]

- A bit early to assume that much MM ^^
- When I said "mandatory" I talked about how the game should be played by us, I know lynch isn't mandatory in the setup. What I said is, one of the biggest differences I spotted between forum mafia & the mod is the stance about D1 lynch, in the mod it was viewed as a scummy thing to random push D1, as there is so much power roles and discussion day are so short. Here's not the same, we got plenty of time and it's way less random. My question really was, should we play around the possibility of a Jailor or assume there isn't one until we got more infos? Reformulated: should we play it more like the mod, or more like fm.
- True
- You get my thought =p
- Okay

[PIayer]

I think that a day 1 lynch is still a good idea. With the nature of the setup and a day start the scum are presently lacking coordination.

Seems like a fair point.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

- A bit early to assume that much MM ^^
- When I said "mandatory" I talked about how the game should be played by us, I know lynch isn't mandatory in the setup. What I said is, one of the biggest differences I spotted between forum mafia & the mod is the stance about D1 lynch, in the mod it was viewed as a scummy thing to random push D1, as there is so much power roles and discussion day are so short. Here's not the same, we got plenty of time and it's way less random. My question really was, should we play around the possibility of a Jailor or assume there isn't one until we got more infos? Reformulated: should we play it more like the mod, or more like fm.
- True
- You get my thought =p
- Okay

When you say "mandatory", please really mean "mandatory"... My point is: lynch on Day One is good in this setup. The scum team does not have a day chat, and the setup starts at day. We have time to see who is suspicious and who isn't. As soon as Day Two starts, the Triad will have a plan. If we wait for them to have a plan, they will trick us easier than if they are disorganized.

[Mesk514]

Welp, I'm a citizen.... :)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Mesk didn't say "I'm town." yet. CONFIRMED SCUM!!!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Welp, I'm a citizen.... :)

Oh snap.

[Mesk514]

You steal my shit, I make my own new meta -.-

[PIayer]

When you say "mandatory", please really mean "mandatory"... My point is: lynch on Day One is good in this setup. The scum team does not have a day chat, and the setup starts at day. We have time to see who is suspicious and who isn't. As soon as Day Two starts, the Triad will have a plan. If we wait for them to have a plan, they will trick us easier than if they are disorganized.

You're right I will definitely be wary of my wording, please keep in mind this is not my native language =) I don't want to die for being foreigner lol

The n0 argument sounds good to me.

Hi Mesk!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Well... I'll claim too: I'm citizen. TPR should not claim their true role, so please claim citizen or shut up. :)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

English is not my native language either :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Some shady guy is watching the thread but we can't see his name... I'm scared :S

[Mesk514]

Hi player....

[Hybrid]

I'm gay and I'm proud with it. We are going out with Omegasaur atm. We love eachother.

[Hybrid]

jk

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I'm gay and I'm proud with it. We are going out with Omegasaur atm. We love eachother.

I was wondering when he would shit post...

[Hybrid]

Marshmallow Marshall KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride KappaPride

His red block ssays that he should be lynched. LYNCH HIM NOW!

[Mesk514]

Turkeyyy!!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

His green block says "seems good". I don't think he's that good. :ban:

[Hybrid]

ok, enough shitposting for now. i think i m going to sleep in 1 or 2 hours cause of school.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

ok, enough shitposting for now. i think i m going to sleep in 1 or 2 hours cause of school.


Lol? That's your contribution?? Come on...

[Hybrid]

Turkeyyy!!

Can Islanddddddd !!!!!

Note: In turkish ada means island, Can is can. so Can Island. Ez.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Can Islanddddddd !!!!!

Note: In turkish ada means island, Can is can. so Can Island. Ez.

Stop it, headless turkey. :D

[Marshmallow Marshall]

SuperJackI'd like to know what you think about Hybrid.

[Hybrid]

SuperJackI'd like to know what you think about Hybrid.

If he s scum, he ll try to get me lynched cause of my bad joke. If he is townie he'll win if he doesn't lynch me assuming I'm scum.

[Mesk514]

Hybrid and I are town. As long as him and I alive, we will be unstoppable!

[Hybrid]

Ok, so many people online, no one writes shit. I ll go on with my shit posting.

[Hybrid]

I have nothing to shitpost NotLikeThis

[Hybrid]

Tbh, I'd be so much glad if I was executioner and my target was ScvMurderer or MM

[Mesk514]

Hybrid, acknowledge we are now a block

[Gyrlander]

I wonder WHO dared to close my motherfucking Game Thread.

[Hybrid]

I wonder WHO dared to close my motherfucking Game Thread.

not me i swear

[Hybrid]

Maybe illuminati???

[Hybrid]

anyways i m gonna sleep see ya all

[Mesk514]

It wasn't me.

HYBRID, ACKNOWLEDGE ME

[Otakudweeb69]

I'm still in school but I wanted to see the start

Pretty slow start huh

I'll try my best to scumhunt when we get some more posts ^~^

Do we do a cop cover strat? Y/n?

My take on neutral benign- keep them alive as an extra vote if we know their identity unless they seem like agenda'd scum playing benign

[Otakudweeb69]

I am in favor of cop cover strat because there aren't LWs

[Otakudweeb69]

I am in favor of a lynch today; L-2 as long as possible so nobody just WWE style RKO's outta nowhere

[xramza]

anyways i m gonna sleep see ya all

I have finally arrived in full, but I will be joining you in sleep shortly.

First, my thoughts on the game. I will be leaning away from metagaming the setup as much as possible. I'll tackle the questions first.

Primarily, I could have sworn the setup said mandatory lynches at first. Maybe I'm just out of it. I stand by my statement that lynching is not a bad idea. I acknowledge a jailor is possible, but I simply don't see the benefit comparing an individual's thought development versus what is essentially an 8v2.5 day 1. (Of course counting the evil as half, and the benign not at all.) Keep in mind there is no Mafia sided jailor.

Secondly, I think the town should actively be looking for the benign role. Nothing in that role list even begins to benefit the town, even in the case of a townsided lover. Search & ignore or vig. Though the vig should only be shooting a benign suspect if there is literally no other option, as they are limited in teaming with the Mafia/Evil.

Of the "randomness" question: I will put faith in the fact that the roles are entirely random. However, I do somewhat agree with the sentiment that Lover seems like a unique role that wants to be played. Mafia roles are a complete toss-up to me, and I will also refrain from speculating about the town since it would likely only be hurtful. All of the Evil roles are mechanically interesting, and I would have no bias between which of those to see either. Do witches notify their targets?

Lastly, I would be more concerned about early TPR claims. There are a lot of roles in the mix that are harder to prove.

This was a much more fragmented statement than I had hoped, but Gods am I tired. If anything of importance is brought up I'll probably roll around again.

[SuperJack]

Why is there no Random votes yet? GOD DAMN HIPPOS.
Player
Player has an advantage and will be difficult to read so it is important to get as much information out of them as possible, Player has a meta view of the most recent games yet no one has a meta on player.

[Hybrid]

Dang couldn't sleep gonna read what u guys spoke

[SuperJack]

I have finally arrived in full, but I will be joining you in sleep shortly.

First, my thoughts on the game. I will be leaning away from metagaming the setup as much as possible. I'll tackle the questions first.

Primarily, I could have sworn the setup said mandatory lynches at first. Maybe I'm just out of it. I stand by my statement that lynching is not a bad idea. I acknowledge a jailor is possible, but I simply don't see the benefit comparing an individual's thought development versus what is essentially an 8v2.5 day 1. (Of course counting the evil as half, and the benign not at all.) Keep in mind there is no Mafia sided jailor.

Secondly, I think the town should actively be looking for the benign role. Nothing in that role list even begins to benefit the town, even in the case of a townsided lover. Search & ignore or vig. Though the vig should only be shooting a benign suspect if there is literally no other option, as they are limited in teaming with the Mafia/Evil.

Of the "randomness" question: I will put faith in the fact that the roles are entirely random. However, I do somewhat agree with the sentiment that Lover seems like a unique role that wants to be played. Mafia roles are a complete toss-up to me, and I will also refrain from speculating about the town since it would likely only be hurtful. All of the Evil roles are mechanically interesting, and I would have no bias between which of those to see either. Do witches notify their targets?

Lastly, I would be more concerned about early TPR claims. There are a lot of roles in the mix that are harder to prove.

This was a much more fragmented statement than I had hoped, but Gods am I tired. If anything of importance is brought up I'll probably roll around again.

No no this is terrible. The town's focus must be on finding the scum team/Evil.
The Vigs target, if Vig existed should be on Mafia or evil, not benign. Benign should be last on the list of importance. Town win by eliminating Mafia and Evil, our wincon does not need to see.benign dead so why focus on it, why waste a bullet on it? If we by ant change identify it just ignore the benign.

I'll wait until you saw more.before I judge you. Rash jumps need not be made.

[SuperJack]

Dang couldn't sleep gonna read what u guys spoke

Do I lynch you if I town read you?

[SuperJack]

I am in favor of cop cover strat because there aren't LWs

This smells like bait.

[Otakudweeb69]

I think: benign shouldn't be actively hunted for, because a scum could pose benign

[xramza]

No no this is terrible. The town's focus must be on finding the scum team/Evil.
The Vigs target, if Vig existed should be on Mafia or evil, not benign. Benign should be last on the list of importance. Town win by eliminating Mafia and Evil, our wincon does not need to see.benign dead so why focus on it, why waste a bullet on it? If we by ant change identify it just ignore the benign.

I'll wait until you saw more.before I judge you. Rash jumps need not be made.

You misinterpreted what I said. I said the benign is important to discern but that the vig should absolutely not shoot at a benign target unless given no other choice. In retrospect, I'm not sure what context doing so would be beneficial at all, but I certainly didn't say to be going for benign first.

[Otakudweeb69]

Bait? Please elaborate

[Otakudweeb69]

Rereading through the setup: I revoke my statement about cop cover as there are only detectives and lookouts

[Otakudweeb69]

"Roles won't be completely random" for balance sake I assume there is likely 1 TP, 1 TI, and 1 TS?

[SuperJack]

Hi there. Long time no see.

So many new folks came while I was gone. Heh. Still dead site tho.

Wow. Hi. Weldome.

[SuperJack]

"Roles won't be completely random" for balance sake I assume there is likely 1 TP, 1 TI, and 1 TS?

Never trust that. We had a game with two detectives remember. Lol

[Hybrid]

Never trust that. We had a game with two detectives remember. Lol

WHY NOT? It's been said by host. So there s no way in hell it can be fake. Also if there would ve been to 3 tp in this twon why bother make 3 TI? I agree with otaku

[Gyrlander]

Witches do not notify their targets.

[SuperJack]

You misinterpreted what I said. I said the benign is important to discern but that the vig should absolutely not shoot at a benign target unless given no other choice. In retrospect, I'm not sure what context doing so would be beneficial at all, but I certainly didn't say to be going for benign first.

Yet you just stated to search for benign. You stated that a Vig should use his shot on a suspected benign slot if no better options.
Yet that would used up a bullet for the Vig, also it will confirm a Vig exists. In exchange for what? The benign can't kill, it can't hurt night actions. The worst it could do if descovered is spam the day chat.

[SuperJack]

WHY NOT? It's been said by host. So there s no way in hell it can be fake. Also if there would ve been to 3 tp in this twon why bother make 3 TI? I agree with otaku

Because balance does not mean 1 invest 1 prot 1 kill.
Balance means that the town roles are equally matches against scum roles. It could just be a game of roleblock, or detectives.

[SuperJack]

Bait? Please elaborate

Your basically asking everyone to cop claim yeh?
But the problem is that the player most likely to agree is the investigation role. Then follow the sheep.

[Hybrid]

Because balance does not mean 1 invest 1 prot 1 kill.
Balance means that the town roles are equally matches against scum roles. It could just be a game of roleblock, or detectives.

Nop that s ridicilous

[SuperJack]

Nop that s ridicilous

No it's how balance works.

[Hybrid]

Hmm, there is that thing. Can lover be loving town goverment? If yes he will side with town confirmed. Tho we won't know if he s really loving Gov tho but that s fine.

Now another thing, will we become stump if citizens gets audited? Kappa

Also i will be so much prejudice against ScvMurderer and mrtrophywife since i ve never seen the mplay it (tho i m glad that scvmurderer wont be able to spam yay)

[Hybrid]

Wish cits could become stump tbh, it d add some flavor to the game xD Kappa

[SuperJack]

Hmm, there is that thing. Can lover be loving town goverment? If yes he will side with town confirmed. Tho we won't know if he s really loving Gov tho but that s fine.

Now another thing, will we become stump if citizens gets audited? Kappa

Also i will be so much prejudice against ScvMurderer and mrtrophywife since i ve never seen the mplay it (tho i m glad that scvmurderer wont be able to spam yay)

Lol if lover paired with town government. That's gonna be one hard wincon for lover.

Why are you asking the people about the auditor role and not the host?

[Hybrid]

Lol if lover paired with town government. That's gonna be one hard wincon for lover.

Why are you asking the people about the auditor role and not the host?

I wanna make u guys feel the memes!

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why is there no Random votes yet? GOD DAMN HIPPOS.
Player
Player has an advantage and will be difficult to read so it is important to get as much information out of them as possible, Player has a meta view of the most recent games yet no one has a meta on player.

He said your words had more weight. Maybe he was wrong... xD this is an idiot reason to vote someone. I'm near of giving you +scumpoints, SJ.

[Hybrid]

He said your words had more weight. Maybe he was wrong... xD this is an idiot reason to vote someone. I'm near of giving you +scumpoints, SJ.

shut the fuck up no one cares about you mr. tiny avatar pic x)

[Hybrid]

Anyway gonna sleep copper guys

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Nop that s ridicilous

You are definetly acting to confuse the Town... SJ is right. However, I think I've got a little clue. Mesk and Hybrid have... something. I don't know what. Lover/Triad? They seem to be together. +scumpoints for Hybrid, and +susp points for Mesk.

[SuperJack]

He said your words had more weight. Maybe he was wrong... xD this is an idiot reason to vote someone. I'm near of giving you +scumpoints, SJ.

It's the start of D1. My first vote was not because I think they are scum. It's the trolly vote to get the game moving.
I picked Player because I know there is gonna be a lot of discussion and I need them to jump right into it because they are new and I need to be able to read them. They have proved themselves already with pre meta analysis and know how I play, which means that they may know how to make them selves look town from my view.

If you think it's scummy to start the game rolling and placing the first single vote on someone putting them at a shockingly L-6. Then L.O.L.

[SuperJack]

You are definetly acting to confuse the Town... SJ is right. However, I think I've got a little clue. Mesk and Hybrid have... something. I don't know what. Lover/Triad? They seem to be together. +scumpoints for Hybrid, and +susp points for Mesk.

I didn't notice that.
There is a strong suggestion that Mesk is Lover and their lover is Hybrid. Good catch.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

It's the start of D1. My first vote was not because I think they are scum. It's the trolly vote to get the game moving.
I picked Player because I know there is gonna be a lot of discussion and I need them to jump right into it because they are new and I need to be able to read them. They have proved themselves already with pre meta analysis and know how I play, which means that they may know how to make them selves look town from my view.

If you think it's scummy to start the game rolling and placing the first single vote on someone putting them at a shockingly L-6. Then L.O.L.

Did I say +scumpoints for you? NO. So I'd kindly ask you to shut up lol. I wanted you to explain yourself. You did it. Thank you =)

[SuperJack]

shut the fuck up no one cares about you mr. tiny avatar pic x)

I care.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I care.

<3

[Mesk514]

No one cares about me because I'm a citizen

[SuperJack]

No one cares about me because I'm a citizen

Marshmallow has accused you of being a Lover whoms paired with Hybrid, your thoughts please.

[Otakudweeb69]

Sorry SJ, my point was moot since there's no sheriff/investigator type, there are only lookout and detective types. My bad. I would think generally in a setup that most towns would want to agree with a cop cover strat tho, is that not the meta here?

[Otakudweeb69]

I would like to point out that Superjack's play this game seems a bit different from a couple others i've read, can't place my head around it quite yet, might solidify/disprove this thought with a few more posts from him

[SuperJack]

Sorry SJ, my point was moot since there's no sheriff/investigator type, there are only lookout and detective types. My bad. I would think generally in a setup that most towns would want to agree with a cop cover strat tho, is that not the meta here?

I don't think we have set it as not meta or meta.
My issue was.you suggest a plan but don't put yourself first, leaving the choice with whoever thinks cop.cover.is a good idea, which would.most likely be the cop.

[SuperJack]

I would like to point out that Superjack's play this game seems a bit different from a couple others i've read, can't place my head around it quite yet, might solidify/disprove this thought with a few more posts from him

I'm.currently in a country I hate, with heat I hate, and sun I hate with insects I hate. I'm certainly no happy.chappy atm. I miss my England and my Dog.

[Otakudweeb69]

Sorry if it wasn't clear, I said that "I am personally in favor of a cop cover strat" or something along those lines, so I did in fact want a cop cover strat to start going, but then I realized I was a dumb shit and there are no roles to cover for lol

I wasn't treating your difference from usual as a scum tell; I was treating as maybe a town tell but i might have to throw that out the window if it's due to other circumstances haha

[Gyrlander]

I'm.currently in a country I hate, with heat I hate, and sun I hate with insects I hate. I'm certainly no happy.chappy atm. I miss my England and my Dog.

Won't interrupt the game again, but Spain is like 2 times colder compared to 1 month ago :)

(If you are not in Spain anymore this is going to be an Epic Fail)

[SuperJack]

Sorry if it wasn't clear, I said that "I am personally in favor of a cop cover strat" or something along those lines, so I did in fact want a cop cover strat to start going, but then I realized I was a dumb shit and there are no roles to cover for lol

I wasn't treating your difference from usual as a scum tell; I was treating as maybe a town tell but i might have to throw that out the window if it's due to other circumstances haha

Hmm. All it really confirms is that you didn't read the setup lol. Or that your a forger (Framer) and may of wanted information to go from.

I would rather be honest about my situation. I wouldn't want people thinking I'm Town just because I hate everything.

[Otakudweeb69]

:( fair enough, i'll check myself before I wreck myself

[SuperJack]

Won't interrupt the game again, but Spain is like 2 times colder compared to 1 month ago :)

(If you are not in Spain anymore this is going to be an Epic Fail)

I'm still in Spain. I do not suit anything about 23°c or sunshine. I want to go back to England so I can enjoy moaning about how terrible my weather is.when I secretly love.it.

[SuperJack]

Anyway I'm gonna sleep. Look forward to hearing from TDL.
Also prod the quieter people whilst I'm gone. Everyone needs to sing if we are to.find the flat notes

[SuperJack]

Iced_Monopoly.

You perv.

If you read this then you suck. ^^

Enjoy spectating. Plop yourself on the reserve list if you got.nout better to do.

[Mesk514]

Marshmallow has accused you of being a Lover whoms paired with Hybrid, your thoughts please.

That would be a logical conclusion..... but unfortunately that's not the case and Its really just the fact I find hybrid to be town. Therefore I put him in my block. Haven't read lover role card but imo not even wrong with being a lover....so

[Scvmurderer]

Hmm, there is that thing. Can lover be loving town goverment? If yes he will side with town confirmed. Tho we won't know if he s really loving Gov tho but that s fine.

Now another thing, will we become stump if citizens gets audited? Kappa

Also i will be so much prejudice against ScvMurderer and mrtrophywife since i ve never seen the mplay it (tho i m glad that scvmurderer wont be able to spam yay)

The hate is real.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

That would be a logical conclusion..... but unfortunately that's not the case and Its really just the fact I find hybrid to be town. Therefore I put him in my block. Haven't read lover role card but imo not even wrong with being a lover....so

I am not convinced. Now I'm thinking about where will my vote go. Since the turkey is sleeping, Mesk514will have to tell me who is lover and who is connection. By the way, I still do not exclude the possibility of both being Triad.

Please share your thoughts. For now, only SJ has talked about this.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The hate is real.

Ikr. This lover only loves his connection, and NOONE ELSE. Even the Dark Lord. =( heresy everywhere again...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

:thinking:... Mesk's message doesn't look like a Lover message. A Lover would defend himself more than that. This g---irl doesn't care about what I said, apparently. I assume it is not her win condition. So if it is not Mesk... Hybrid
This is a serious vote, not some randoming. I really want to hear Hybrid defend himself on this. Else, my vote stays on him.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I just thought about it, guys... There's a "secret sign". Who the hell is that?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

PIayerOtukudweeb69Dr Unknown, your thoughts about what's happening? Out of the fact that it's hot in Spain... xD

[Marshmallow Marshall]

PIayer Otukudweeb69 Dr Unknown, your thoughts about what's happening? Out of the fact that it's hot in Spain... xD

Fixed it.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Otakudweeb69 God damn it...

[xramza]

Good morning Krusty Krew.


That would be a logical conclusion..... but unfortunately that's not the case and Its really just the fact I find hybrid to be town. Therefore I put him in my block. Haven't read lover role card but imo not even wrong with being a lover....so

Am I misreading something or is this a lover hardclaim? I can fathom exactly zero timeplanes where anything could be beneficial about that for any party.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Good morning Krusty Krew.



Am I misreading something or is this a lover hardclaim? I can fathom exactly zero timeplanes where anything could be beneficial about that for any party.

Mesk is experienced. He sounds like a connection. If he was really lover, he would try to stay alive harder :P

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Plus, it's the almighty mesk always town, it's known...

[xramza]

I just thought about it, guys... There's a "secret sign". Who the hell is that?

I would assume the secret sign is TDL. They posted near the beginning of the day, I do believe

[Mesk514]

I AM A CITIZEN WITH A VAGINA. bite me

[mrtrophywife]

I only have a minute but ill answer the most immediately relevant question.

I think that a day 1 lynch is still a good idea. With the nature of the setup and a day start the scum are presently lacking coordination.

Jumping to conclusions and starting a bandwagon pretty much always goes in the scums favor. Wouldn't do that

[Mesk514]

I am not a lover, more like a follower with a vote

[Scvmurderer]

Jumping to conclusions and starting a bandwagon pretty much always goes in the scums favor. Wouldn't do that

Spoken like scum

[mrtrophywife]

Spoken like scum

Oh shoot im exposed gg

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Jumping to conclusions and starting a bandwagon pretty much always goes in the scums favor. Wouldn't do that

Jumping to conclusions within 48 hours? I don't think it's that bad lol. Being inactive favors the scum. Also, I'd like to know what you think about Hybrid/Mesk.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Spoken like scum

Elaborate.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

My god, I feel like you're all pleading the Fifth Amendement... SJ wanted information from Player. He never got any. I literally accusated Hybrid, and I got no answer. Mesk gave ONE non-shit post. Hybrid gave 0. You are on trial, guys. SAY SOMETHING!!! FailFish

[mrtrophywife]

Also i will be so much prejudice against ScvMurderer and mrtrophywife since i ve never seen the mplay it (tho i m glad that scvmurderer wont be able to spam yay)

Prejudice all you want haha I've played Mafia including sc2 for a long time this is my first forum Mafia game though.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Prejudice all you want haha I've played Mafia including sc2 for a long time this is my first forum Mafia game though.

If you've really played with Hybrid, you know how he is... :P

[Mesk514]

I was asked a serious question so I answered it seriously... other than that nothing really warrant my opinion til I use my vote for good

[mrtrophywife]

If you've really played with Hybrid, you know how he is... :P

Sounds ominous haha- no beef w/ Hybrid , mesk is experienced but sounds like he's at my level probably for good reason lol

[xramza]

Marshmallow's play seems strange in the sense that they're trying to rush out posts but spread the actual substance. Don't know anything about their previous play but it seems like someone put into a role uncomfortable for them.

Superjack is aggro but seems town to me. Any mafia esp in a game with newer players would have little reason to call me out on the benign situation.

Those are the only two major reads at the moment. The Hybrid/Melk situation is strange but just seems like a troll presently.

[Mesk514]

If me saying hybrid is part of my block, makes me look bad... please read up every other game I've randomly chosen someone to follow off basic first impressions

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Marshmallow's play seems strange in the sense that they're trying to rush out posts but spread the actual substance. Don't know anything about their previous play but it seems like someone put into a role uncomfortable for them.

Superjack is aggro but seems town to me. Any mafia esp in a game with newer players would have little reason to call me out on the benign situation.

Those are the only two major reads at the moment. The Hybrid/Mesk situation is strange but just seems like a troll presently.

I am trying to rush posts because the thread is inactive as fuck. I'm trying to wake it up. And no, I'm not uncomfortable with my role lol. Since my only power is chat (I already claimed Citizen), I am doing my best to help the Town with my little powers.

SuperJack is the biggest town read I have yet.
Hybrid/Mesk situation is strange because they are paired... I am thinking that Hybrid is lover with Mesk OR that they are both triad.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Marshmallow's play seems strange in the sense that they're trying to rush out posts but spread the actual substance.

Not really. You want substance? There you go.

Town reads
SuperJack
PIayer
xramza

I don't know reads
Otakudweeb69
Scvmurderer
mrtrophywife
Dr Unknown
TheDarkestLight
Other new players
RLVG

Scum reads
Mesk514
Hybrid


Please make a list of your suspects once you have read everything. It will help townies to know who thinks what.

[Mesk514]

MM, please revise your reads cause you're either dumb as a fucking doorknob or you're scum yourself.

[Mesk514]

I should probably read the lover role card to see what I'm being accused of

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Not really. You want substance? There you go.

Town reads
SuperJack
PIayer
xramza

I don't know reads
Otakudweeb69
Scvmurderer
mrtrophywife
Dr Unknown
TheDarkestLight
Other new players
RLVG

Scum reads
Mesk514
Hybrid


Please make a list of your suspects once you have read everything. It will help townies to know who thinks what.

By "scum", I mean "non-town" or possible non-town. That's why you are in the Scum reads section, Mesk. If none of Mesk or Hybrid is triad, I'd say that the two triads would be hiding in the middle list.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I should probably read the lover role card to see what I'm being accused of

Mesk, what did I say? Who did I vote? For now, I'm saying you are either Hybrid's connection OR his triad buddy. Just a question: does the connection know he is connection as soon as game starts? Does he knows who is the Lover?

[Mesk514]

Lol there's nothing remotely scummy about the lover role card anyways, so even if I was a lover... which I'm not... cause I'm a citizen, I would be no threat to town unless hybrid was scum.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Lol there's nothing remotely scummy about the lover role card anyways, so even if I was a lover... which I'm not... cause I'm a citizen, I would be no threat to town unless hybrid was scum.

I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE LOVER YOU FUCKING TOMATO!!!!!! READ MY DAMN POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mesk514]

I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE LOVER YOU FUCKING TOMATO!!!!!! READ MY DAMN POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have to be a lover if I have a connection with hybrid.... fucking cacahuete

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I have to be a lover if I have a connection with hybrid.... fucking cacahuete

You don't have to... You can be his connection! It doesn't make you a lover, it just makes you a CONNECTION!

[xramza]

The lover role is already throwing more of a wrench into things than it needs to. Be advised that I'm pretty sure the lover's connection doesn't even know of their lover until the first night.

[Mesk514]

You don't have to... You can be his connection! It doesn't make you a lover, it just makes you a CONNECTION!

Tbh, I didn't read the setup much... am I notified if I am someone's connection? Anyways, I chose to follow him, he didn't choose me

[Mesk514]

The lover role is already throwing more of a wrench into things than it needs to. Be advised that I'm pretty sure the lover's connection doesn't even know of their lover until the first night.

Hi I'm Mesk, I like you a lot!

[Scvmurderer]

The lover role is already throwing more of a wrench into things than it needs to. Be advised that I'm pretty sure the lover's connection doesn't even know of their lover until the first night.

So then we are leaning to hybrid/mesk being triad then? Cuz obviously they are connected in some way

[xramza]

So then we are leaning to hybrid/mesk being triad then? Cuz obviously they are connected in some way

I doubt either is the case. I think Melk is just memeing it up. Dunno why hybrid refuses to acknowledge him but whatever. I guess it is a little strange that all of this lover suspicion comes around and his first post was


I'm gay and I'm proud with it. We are going out with Omegasaur atm. We love eachother.

Though that could be why Melk came in and started all of this anyway. Dunno. Think we're reading into it too much.

[Mesk514]

So then we are leaning to hybrid/mesk being triad then? Cuz obviously they are connected in some way

stop trying to fuel a fire that's non existent, I CREATED THIS CONNECTION! That's how it's obvious! I said hybrid is in my block. Don't act like it's something confirmed , it's literally something I created.

[Scvmurderer]

stop trying to fuel a fire that's non existent, I CREATED THIS CONNECTION! That's how it's obvious! I said hybrid is in my block. Don't act like it's something confirmed , it's literally something I created.

So why did you create this block? As cover for something more scummy?

[Mesk514]

So why did you create this block? As cover for something more scummy?

I read hybrid as town, I know I am a citizen so therefore I've decided him and I shall be a block :)

[Otakudweeb69]

MM > what the hell? your read list?? didnt you literally just prod player for pleading the 5th? why're they on your town read list, pray tell? xwa whatever I found his strategy sharing NAI, not enough for a conclusive town read. The only one i'm town reading atm is Superjack, he seems to be actively scumhunting.

Mesk & Hybrid dealio: I think this is a red herring; I don't believe that Mesk has the lover rolecard or she might've just outright claimed it tbh. Scum pairing is possible, but I think analyzing Hybrid would be easier to do here.

If you want reads:
Town - superjack due to a strong start, but I will keep in mind that as scum he gets townread by many people and then drops to shitposting
Town lean - MM but I don't like his reads list much, I just like his eagerness to play the darned game

Null - Xramza strategy spec sounds nice but at the end of the day is still NAI, possibly agendad scum trying to push for town cred
Null - Mesk and her usual citizen claim stuff yeah yeah I can't read you for claims any more
Null - Hybrid and his usual shitposts, will have to see later

Scum lean - player only had one message, but that in itself is a scum tell to me: judging from the setup page player seems to have an actively participating kind of personality (maybe like mine) and would want to go into a game ready to play, but for him to have popped in and acknowledged the game yet still add nothing is kind of just susp

[Otakudweeb69]

... did MM and Mesk both claim citizen...? I recommend that for now we stop with citizen claiming

[Scvmurderer]

MM > what the hell? your read list?? didnt you literally just prod player for pleading the 5th? why're they on your town read list, pray tell? xwa whatever I found his strategy sharing NAI, not enough for a conclusive town read. The only one i'm town reading atm is Superjack, he seems to be actively scumhunting.

Mesk & Hybrid dealio: I think this is a red herring; I don't believe that Mesk has the lover rolecard or she might've just outright claimed it tbh. Scum pairing is possible, but I think analyzing Hybrid would be easier to do here.

If you want reads:
Town - superjack due to a strong start, but I will keep in mind that as scum he gets townread by many people and then drops to shitposting
Town lean - MM but I don't like his reads list much, I just like his eagerness to play the darned game

Null - Xramza strategy spec sounds nice but at the end of the day is still NAI, possibly agendad scum trying to push for town cred
Null - Mesk and her usual citizen claim stuff yeah yeah I can't read you for claims any more
Null - Hybrid and his usual shitposts, will have to see later

Scum lean - player only had one message, but that in itself is a scum tell to me: judging from the setup page player seems to have an actively participating kind of personality (maybe like mine) and would want to go into a game ready to play, but for him to have popped in and acknowledged the game yet still add nothing is kind of just susp

So we are all agreeing the hybrid/mesk thing is weird? But yea better to wait for Hybrid to start posting again.

[Otakudweeb69]

I'm going to be doing some homework now, i'll see what peoplez have said in the morning

[xramza]

To be transparent since conversation will likely lull during the night-time.

I've rolled a neutral role in every game prior to this one, never rolled town before. Scumhunting is strange to me as someone who has only:
A) Played from a third person perspective
B) Read from a third person perspective

Not to discredit any of the reads I make. I will say if I am not confident, but I believe I have a fairly strong sense for catching things that are out of place.

I won't add any more unnecessary information to what is already extraneous, but I would like to hear from new or moderately new players about their current stance and confidence.

[PIayer]

Still working atm, can't wait to be home to read and comment !

(Working at night in EU if anybody cares)

[Mesk514]

So we are all agreeing the hybrid/mesk thing is weird? But yea better to wait for Hybrid to start posting again.

THERE YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN! Friggen sheep sheep you are. There's no Hybrid&Mesk.... JUST MESK! Hybrid has yet to even acknowledge me & I was the one to announce he was town!

[Scvmurderer]

THERE YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN! Friggen sheep sheep you are. There's no Hybrid&Mesk.... JUST MESK! Hybrid has yet to even acknowledge me & I was the one to announce he was town!

So confirmed lover then? Setting up that gay love right at start are we?

[Mesk514]

scvmurderer

This guy really can't be genuinely this dumb

[Scvmurderer]

scvmurderer

This guy really can't be genuinely this dumb

-vote mesk514

We all agreed day 1 lynches, lets do it

[Scvmurderer]

-vote mesk514

[xramza]

Don't think the conclusive lynch will be between either of these people currently. Said conflict seems a bit silly.

We need to hear from the absentees. We've heard absolutely nothing from RLVG, and basically nothing from Unknown, TDL, trophywhife.

Scv is either making a very ham-fisted attempt at pushing the town agenda or is just very confused. In either case I find it impossible to draw anything from his actions.

[Mesk514]

-vote mesk514

We all agreed day 1 lynches, lets do it

You say 'we' like you run this town. Your logic is pathetic and your poking and prodding has no substance.

[Scvmurderer]

You say 'we' like you run this town. Your logic is pathetic and your poking and prodding has no substance.

So your saying its wrong to prod for information? You voted first too mister lynch happy.

[Scvmurderer]

Either way Im going off, got work in a few hours and need to sleep.

[Mesk514]

So your saying its wrong to prod for information? You voted first too mister lynch happy.

I'm not going to co time this babble, you're clearly scum or dumb. What info are you prodding for? None! Your just prodding at a very very weak point.

[Mesk514]

I'm not going to waste my time with this babble**

[PIayer]

Hey, I'm finally back home oO

The thread got bigger, let me drink some coffee and go through

[PIayer]

Okay so there is definitely stuff to type about.

Let me be serious and open LibreOffice town, I come back to you.

[Gyrlander]

Mesk, what did I say? Who did I vote? For now, I'm saying you are either Hybrid's connection OR his triad buddy. Just a question: does the connection know he is connection as soon as game starts? Does he knows who is the Lover?

He knows he is a connection, but does not know Lover's identity.

[PIayer]

^ now that's useful

if anybody's up to discussion please let know

[Mesk514]

Hi

[PIayer]

Hi

I like you

[PIayer]

Currently building a wall of text, but in the meanwhile wanted to ask: why Hybrid?

[Mesk514]

Currently building a wall of text, but in the meanwhile wanted to ask: why Hybrid?

Cause yolo my homie, I'm a ride or die bitch... I pick someone and I follow them :)

[PIayer]

Blindly and with zero reason at all?

It's heartwarming to see from my romantic pov (believe me), but as a dear citizen wouldn't you agree town need at least a very tiny bit of rationale?


IMO Hybrid is acting "at least" weird, so I'll take any thought you have about him

[Dr Unknown]

Waking up to 9pages of text. Phew.
From what I read, hybrid is either troll or scum. We should wait for him to wake up to probe him a bit more
Mesk is acting like a lover but I believe he is anything but that.
Random lynch is bad for our health, 66%chance to kill a townie

[PIayer]

What about other people? Yeah Hybrid is acting scummy imo but not enough to tunnel him (?)

Arguments has been made for the lynch D1 and not refuted so far, call it random means you didn't acknowledge them?

[Dr Unknown]

D1 lynching isn't bad by itself, it is bad when it is random, without enough evidence.

[PIayer]

I think you typically talk about the mod, but even in the mod it's not real 66,66% when you lynch inactives, and here we got 48h discussion instead of 2mn. We need to use this time to even the odds. It will ever be somewhat random, but I believe we can influence that random through discussion.

So, what are you thoughts ^^?

[Dr Unknown]

If it is lynch based on discussion, then it is not random 😄 for example if we lynch hybrid, there is a chance he is town, but less than 66%

[PIayer]

That is it =)

Hopefully we can narrow 'til under 50% or even less.



Kinda sad I missed the action tho. Wish I had no work. Tomorrow is my last day of work tho, should I survive until then, I would be free for you all. "nudge nudge wink wink" to not quote someone.

They say the night is dark and full of terrors... ;(



Still building my wall btw, but is it really reasonable of me to monologue? And where are the others?

[PIayer]

HYBRID IS LURKING §§

Don't hold your feelings, you're safe since Mesk confirmed you town. Leave us a kiss at least <3

[Hybrid]

I was reading posts. I m at school but for now imma say is I ll let mm shine this time since he was dying D1 or N1 last 3 FMes x) and also i ve no connection to lover if i understood it correctly. Imo MM might be executioner that is trying to get a free win since he just tried to get me lynched cause mesk was assuming I was town. Whichs like it s frst hour of the game and we both mesk and i had to shit post to ppl get speak.

Tbh MM might be exe ScvMurderer and unkbown asa triad since they sheep into obv ez lynch x) no things to say ramza or otaku

[Hybrid]

Tbh not assuming but thinking. Mesk is %50-60 town imo

[Hybrid]

Also i bet SJ will be " HE SAID ASSUMING OMFG HE S NOT TOWN"if he were to be scum but if he s town he ll know that i used a wrong word cause im in ducking school and mu natibe isnt engliah

[PIayer]

Thanks for input.

... the wall grow bigger lol. You sound sooo scummy atm it's crazy. Is "too scummy to be scum" a thing?

Still I won't vote you that soon. Will prob go for any inactive, I think they are a bigger threat than you atm.

[SuperJack]

Jumping to conclusions and starting a bandwagon pretty much always goes in the scums favor. Wouldn't do that

There was no jumping to conclusions or any bandwagon starting, please explain yourself mrtrophywife

[Hybrid]

Thanks for input.

... the wall grow bigger lol. You sound sooo scummy atm it's crazy. Is "too scummy to be scum" a thing?

Still I won't vote you that soon. Will prob go for any inactive, I think they are a bigger threat than you atm.

Nah I know how mm sucks and he knows how i m town if he s not exe most prolly triad. Buuuuut he s been dying d1 or n1 last 3 fmes so ill let him shine for a bit tho he has to act fast enough x)

[Hybrid]

There was no jumping to conclusions or any bandwagon starting, please explain yourself mrtrophywife

Yeah that bugged me as well but since MM is speaking like i m conf triad as well as mesk itt s a normal act imo

[Hybrid]

Also MM reallly has to be faaaast as like sanic or else i m gonna make a wall post that will prove me as a town role as well as his scummy behaviors that might get him lynched x)

[Hybrid]

So sj are u gonna get me lynched or wait ? Sincce it a crylander s setup i wanna win Kappa

[SuperJack]

Mesk514 could you please show me why Hybrid is town.
I'm going to respect you this game, in exchange could you give me sight deeper into your... thoughts.

[SuperJack]

So sj are u gonna get me lynched or wait ? Sincce it a crylander s setup i wanna win Kappa

Are you claiming Jester?

[Hybrid]

Mesk514 could you please show me why Hybrid is town.
I'm going to respect you this game, in exchange could you give me sight deeper into your... thoughts.

Yaayayyaay i m in school atm gonna be home 3 4 hours

[Hybrid]

Are you claiming Jester?

If i was jester i d claim it right away to not to give town cobfusion and possible solo win

[Hybrid]

Tbh as i said, there s no jester or lover. I think MM is exe cause of his ultra early assumption of mesk and both being triad and nnot mesk whic was online but more of a focus on me which i was sleeping. Like remember earlier i and mesk havr played this toght earlier with lots of shitposting he would always town read both of us (if he objects that he ll be obv exe or triad to me cause i can pro ive those)
So as i said MM is most prollt exe

[PIayer]

Are you claiming Jester?

Are you reading my mind.

[RLVG]

Internet has been fucky today and yesterday.

Gonna do some reading.

[SuperJack]

D1 lynching isn't bad by itself, it is bad when it is random, without enough evidence.

Don't worry ^^ unlike the mod we depend upon day chat, so no lynch is random since we have a whole days worth of peoples views and ideals. Along with the information the lynch gives off.

[PIayer]

If you were actually Jester it would make sense to empathize the possibility of an exe.

I also think about post #69

[SuperJack]

Tbh as i said, there s no jester or lover. I think MM is exe cause of his ultra early assumption of mesk and both being triad and nnot mesk whic was online but more of a focus on me which i was sleeping. Like remember earlier i and mesk havr played this toght earlier with lots of shitposting he would always town read both of us (if he objects that he ll be obv exe or triad to me cause i can pro ive those)
So as i said MM is most prollt exe

Mesk claimed Hybrid is town without explanation.
Can you see why most people would assume Mesks role is connected to Hybrid?
It's not that MM is executioner. It's because he is pointing out the obvious.

[SuperJack]

^ now that's useful

if anybody's up to discussion please let know

Interesting. The person who is connected to the lover is going to be looking for people trying to grab their attention. So we have to look out for people strangely requesting others peoples attention.

[Hybrid]

Mesk claimed Hybrid is town without explanation.
Can you see why most people would assume Mesks role is connected to Hybrid?
It's not that MM is executioner. It's because he is pointing out the obvious.

Yup we have no connection and i doubt that mesk s final decision ia to me to be a town role. She still might change her mind.

Also u havent replied to this why d he vote me but not mesk? She was the one wgo was online and possbility with a great push to her. So that prroves he s mostlt exe

[PIayer]

Alright, since there is people in here, I'll tease you with the bit of my wall about Hybrid

1/ The Subplot: Mesk & Hybrid
Mesk obviously claimed Cit, now I don't really know the meta about this but from what I've gathered it seems like standard play... Whatever you role is I assume you have lynch immunity d1, so fine be a Cit for now. I believe Hybrid when he say it was shitposting, I don't believe you're linked to Hybrid in any way (+ now we know for a fact Lovers don't know their lover yet), imo you're just playing with him and we'll see where he goes.

Hybrid, on the other hand. I'm okay with you shitposting to make the thread live, but I've picked scary bits. It's not a case, but reflections...

Ok, so many people online, no one writes shit. I ll go on with my shit posting.

I have nothing to shitpost NotLikeThis
While I'm okay with shitposting, I got a "let all know how I wanted to contribute so much but couldn't because of people" vibe from this. But in itself it is of little value.
#69 was the darkest post imo:

WHY NOT? It's been said by host. So there s no way in hell it can be fake. Also if there would ve been to 3 tp in this twon why bother make 3 TI? I agree with otaku
I know a bit about chaos, and to me this looks so much like an attempt to instillate chaos. SJ is 100% valid in his reasoning, still you don't argue, just go "nop that s ridicilous".
MM had a saying I found true:
You are definetly acting to confuse the Town... SJ is right.
As I told you already, I think you're a good player, and atm I can't tell if this is the "scummy citizen waiting to be choochoo'd to get real", the "lol im just shitposting chill, & too scummy to be scum" dragonhead mastermind, or the plain old Jester. Afterall, SJ's point stands, we got to trust the host (meta talking shouldn't even be a thing except to confuse town and deflect the actual matter) and until proven otherwise we got 33% for a Jester in the setup. Should there be a Jester, atm you're the prime candidate by far in my book. Didn't see you contribute much to the town so far, all I see is shitpost (okay) and deception (not okay). Why would you be so deceiving to town unless to be lynchbait. It's actually hurting the town imo, and if it's all part of a big scumhunt plan, honestly I can't see it.

[PIayer]

Interesting. The person who is connected to the lover is going to be looking for people trying to grab their attention. So we have to look out for people strangely requesting others peoples attention.

SJ be my lover. Please <3

[SuperJack]

To be transparent since conversation will likely lull during the night-time.

I've rolled a neutral role in every game prior to this one, never rolled town before. Scumhunting is strange to me as someone who has only:
A) Played from a third person perspective
B) Read from a third person perspective

Not to discredit any of the reads I make. I will say if I am not confident, but I believe I have a fairly strong sense for catching things that are out of place.

I won't add any more unnecessary information to what is already extraneous, but I would like to hear from new or moderately new players about their current stance and confidence.

It's really weird the way you worded it.
You previously where neutral but you never played town before.
Yet it's worded so your not claiming what your alignment is, rather you avoided it yet made it look like you are suggesting your town. When intact you are not claiming any alignment.

[Hybrid]

Alright, since there is people in here, I'll tease you with the bit of my wall about Hybrid

1/ The Subplot: Mesk & Hybrid
Mesk obviously claimed Cit, now I don't really know the meta about this but from what I've gathered it seems like standard play... Whatever you role is I assume you have lynch immunity d1, so fine be a Cit for now. I believe Hybrid when he say it was shitposting, I don't believe you're linked to Hybrid in any way (+ now we know for a fact Lovers don't know their lover yet), imo you're just playing with him and we'll see where he goes.

Hybrid, on the other hand. I'm okay with you shitposting to make the thread live, but I've picked scary bits. It's not a case, but reflections...


While I'm okay with shitposting, I got a "let all know how I wanted to contribute so much but couldn't because of people" vibe from this. But in itself it is of little value.
#69 was the darkest post imo:

I know a bit about chaos, and to me this looks so much like an attempt to instillate chaos. SJ is 100% valid in his reasoning, still you don't argue, just go "nop that s ridicilous".
MM had a saying I found true:
As I told you already, I think you're a good player, and atm I can't tell if this is the "scummy citizen waiting to be choochoo'd to get real", the "lol im just shitposting chill, & too scummy to be scum" dragonhead mastermind, or the plain old Jester. Afterall, SJ's point stands, we got to trust the host (meta talking shouldn't even be a thing except to confuse town and deflect the actual matter) and until proven otherwise we got 33% for a Jester in the setup. Should there be a Jester, atm you're the prime candidate by far in my book. Didn't see you contribute much to the town so far, all I see is shitpost (okay) and deception (not okay). Why would you be so deceiving to town unless to be lynchbait. It's actually hurting the town imo, and if it's all part of a big scumhunt plan, honestly I can't see it.

Ok this posts replay has to wait home :( also there are other things with MM that i didnt like this game buuut i ll let him shine x)

[SuperJack]

SJ be my lover. Please <3

Sure thing.

[Hybrid]

It's really weird the way you worded it.
You previously where neutral but you never played town before.
Yet it's worded so your not claiming what your alignment is, rather you avoided it yet made it look like you are suggesting your town. When intact you are not claiming any alignment.

The person hatrs claiming now wants the people wallpossting to claim a role? :thinking:

[Hybrid]

Shit realplayermurderer is here imo he s suspect num 2 or 3 cuz of sheepin btw

[Hybrid]

I really liked how player speaks btw add ms on bnet plz i speak differently in sc2 my acc name is misery btw

[Hybrid]

Alright, since there is people in here, I'll tease you with the bit of my wall about Hybrid

1/ The Subplot: Mesk & Hybrid
Mesk obviously claimed Cit, now I don't really know the meta about this but from what I've gathered it seems like standard play... Whatever you role is I assume you have lynch immunity d1, so fine be a Cit for now. I believe Hybrid when he say it was shitposting, I don't believe you're linked to Hybrid in any way (+ now we know for a fact Lovers don't know their lover yet), imo you're just playing with him and we'll see where he goes.

Hybrid, on the other hand. I'm okay with you shitposting to make the thread live, but I've picked scary bits. It's not a case, but reflections...


While I'm okay with shitposting, I got a "let all know how I wanted to contribute so much but couldn't because of people" vibe from this. But in itself it is of little value.
#69 was the darkest post imo:

I know a bit about chaos, and to me this looks so much like an attempt to instillate chaos. SJ is 100% valid in his reasoning, still you don't argue, just go "nop that s ridicilous".
MM had a saying I found true:
As I told you already, I think you're a good player, and atm I can't tell if this is the "scummy citizen waiting to be choochoo'd to get real", the "lol im just shitposting chill, & too scummy to be scum" dragonhead mastermind, or the plain old Jester. Afterall, SJ's point stands, we got to trust the host (meta talking shouldn't even be a thing except to confuse town and deflect the actual matter) and until proven otherwise we got 33% for a Jester in the setup. Should there be a Jester, atm you're the prime candidate by far in my book. Didn't see you contribute much to the town so far, all I see is shitpost (okay) and deception (not okay). Why would you be so deceiving to town unless to be lynchbait. It's actually hurting the town imo, and if it's all part of a big scumhunt plan, honestly I can't see it.

After nop it s rid. Everything is serious i really think mm is exe also if i were to be jester i d just claim it right away whrn i startes this game i also did that in mod mafia stoopud mafia doesnt kill you and u get a free win in 2 2 1 scnerious loool

[SuperJack]

The person hatrs claiming now wants the people wallpossting to claim a role? :thinking:

Alignment does not equal role.
Nice try in trying to twist my words.

[PIayer]

I really liked how player speaks btw add ms on bnet plz i speak differently in sc2 my acc name is misery btw

KNEW YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO SPEAK DIFFERENTLY AT WILL! HAHA!
(on a side note I will gladly do, but not before gameover =p)


Sure thing.

*giggle*

You heart voted for me already, you know it's true. Flattery pays <3

[RLVG]

Lol, damnit. I quoted many, and then I lost the quote progress.
It's not much important. I was calling out on someone for vig on benign, pointing out that Lover could be town aligned. Also, lover meta is stupid, it's pure speculation.
If it doesn't even exist, it's just a red herring both for scum and town.

Also, the whole deal with mesk / hybrid is kinda stupid. It's just shitposters getting to know eachothers lol. Marshmallow is a bit weird tho, I do get the exe vibe from it.

[PIayer]

So far I agree with your points RLVG

Any more insight on xramza, otakudeepweb69 (sorry the temptation was too strong), scvmurderer, mrtrophywife?

[PIayer]

*edit without edit*
I agree except on MM being exe, didn't see that at my first read but will look into it

[Scvmurderer]

Interesting. The person who is connected to the lover is going to be looking for people trying to grab their attention. So we have to look out for people strangely requesting others peoples attention.

Notice Me superjack, I need your attention.

[SuperJack]

Lol, damnit. I quoted many, and then I lost the quote progress.
It's not much important. I was calling out on someone for vig on benign, pointing out that Lover could be town aligned. Also, lover meta is stupid, it's pure speculation.
If it doesn't even exist, it's just a red herring both for scum and town.

Also, the whole deal with mesk / hybrid is kinda stupid. It's just shitposters getting to know eachothers lol. Marshmallow is a bit weird tho, I do get the exe vibe from it.

Doesn't MM usually have annoying interactions with Mesk? I keep remembering her being frustrated as his comments to her.

Also Lover is dangerous, attacked to scum make it another scum role. Making it a 4 scum team.

[SuperJack]

Notice Me superjack, I need your attention.

Great hop on the SJ team we will rule this land! I will even allow you to call it a train.

[Scvmurderer]

Notice Me superjack, I need your attention.

Oh crapl that's a lot of posts between my page refer. What u all doing up at 5 am or is every1 here European?

[SuperJack]

It's really weird the way you worded it.
You previously where neutral but you never played town before.
Yet it's worded so your not claiming what your alignment is, rather you avoided it yet made it look like you are suggesting your town. When intact you are not claiming any alignment.

xramza

We should all start placing our votes on people so that we get better vote analysis.

[SuperJack]

Oh crapl that's a lot of posts between my page refer. What u all doing up at 5 am or is every1 here European?

About half I would Sayish. I'm

[Scvmurderer]

xramza

We should all start placing our votes on people so that we get better vote analysis.

I'm still voting mesk

[Scvmurderer]

Back to work for me, I'll check in every few hours at breaks.

[Hybrid]

Alignment does not equal role.
Nice try in trying to twist my words.

It s obv he d claim town so he doesnt ne ed to say it he only needs to be revealed is his role so that s a weird thing you do

[PIayer]

Another bit of my wall
I feel it's okay to break it into fewer bits

2/ Those Who Want Town To Be Happy, aka wont-lynch-yet category
SJ: my love you deserve the very best, so there are my raw notes about you, without any alteration: #57 pressure me! cf "scheming schemes". a good way to start? what about poking people who haven't speak yet instead? still can see proper reasoning. gut town lean on this #59 clever imo. #61 purpose is cryptic. #68 +1 town point for that. #71-73 makes a lot of sense imo. #84 100% objective rational vibe. Overall read: town cred counter over 9000, so either a pro Cit or a very mastermind, such pro wow Dragonhead. SJ is screaming "TOWN" either way and overall is the most useful to town atm, so doesn't matter if very mastermind DH.

xramza: Gave objectively pertinent contribution about D1 lynch. #56 and #127 got a town vibe from these posts. I agree with most of it except the fact MM is not a major read at all atm imo. To me it's either a town lean or a triad literally playing like town atm, still his behaviour is helping town even if slightly imo.

Otakudweeb69: proposed "cop cover strat" then retracted; #53 slightly ambivalent about neutral imo. Still appears to trying to contribute in meaningful way even if few content. I'm bouncing between slight town lean and null read, will look forward to future contributions. Still, in this category because not threatening atm and seems trying to help.

[PIayer]

That's why I would be glad if you explained you though process on xramza darling

[Hybrid]

Anyways i m town and i love how mesk plays imma afk for an hpur now copper

[SuperJack]

It s obv he d claim town so he doesnt ne ed to say it he only needs to be revealed is his role so that s a weird thing you do

He didn't though. He worded it to avoid claiming it, weather knowingly or unknowingly. Scum slips can happen like that.

[Hybrid]

He didn't though. He worded it to avoid claiming it, weather knowingly or unknowingly. Scum slips can happen like that.

Ohhhhhh i m usinf phone in class zo i mstill afl

[Hybrid]

Btw player havent u seen me in the nickname of misery at doodad hunt or mafia?

[PIayer]

There's the end of my wall

3/ Tribe of the Null Reads

mrtrophywife:
Responding to xramza:

Jumping to conclusions and starting a bandwagon pretty much always goes in the scums favor. Wouldn't do that
Read that as either null or slightly scummy as the rationale behind xramza's belief has not been refuted yet afaik. About #123 I believe you but think it's irrelevant in the end. Please contribute more if you want me to believe you're helping town.

Dr Unknown: literally unknown, I won't vote you because remember the noob block, but you better start to contribute if you don't want to start looking suspicious imo. Share your thoughts!

Scvmurderer: also null, I can't tell if #118 is filler or relevant, so I thought about how it may be a subtle mix. Please post more relevant stuff if you don't want to fall into category 4

MM: First I saw you clearly acting town, trying to make the discussion happen, genuinely I want to believe. But your good friend Hybrid also used the same motive for his shitpost, and even if the form is very different (you sound very townish, he's sounding scummy af) I believe the content of that stance is similar: basically to scream "look at me town, I'm helping!"
Now the interesting thing is, so far Hybrid didn't try to help, but I want to believe you did try, and I don't see a scenario when your play have equity while you're not town. (townies, I may miss something by saying this so I look forward to your opinions)
#80 I believe it's not THAT idiot especially that early in the game. The funny fact is, I actually gave you some scum lean points for defending me. I had done very little for the town at this moment and here you come almost instant townreading me. Found it far more weird than SJ's paranoïa.
.. Unless it was just an attempt to mimic Mesk play on Hybrid, buddying & looking for reactions, but in that case I didn't understand it better than the original =p
Your post #83 is right imo, until the Mesk & Hybrid part which I don't buy (cf my earlier post).
#106 I would have agreed but quiet people really are the most menacing atm imo (wink at RLVG)

Update on mm: maybe that's because I'm a noob, but overall I want to hear what he has to say before calling him exe. Hybrid is almost begging to be lynched afterall and instillating chaos as stated above, no need to be exe to want him lynched atm lol. Also even on the mod it would be bad for an exe to be that obvious, so idk if MM would really have played this way (taking the gamble on me) if exe here. Still, you need to precise your thoughts. What if Hybrid was jester? We get that SJ is obvious town but what about the others, and why townread me so early? Because of this you'll stay in this category 'til I read what you have to say.


4/ Tribe of the would-vote

RLVG or TDL for contributing the least. Don't think I forgot anyone?
Please write more RLVG if you want to get into category 2 or 3.




Therefore
-vote TheDarkestLight

(is this how you're doing)
for contributing the least + saying site is dead

[PIayer]

Hybrid, you may belive I'm <Sc2Maf>Player but no. In fact I'm not even Player, I'm PIayer (uppercase i) on my main, and you won't know my NA alt as even I can't remember it atm!

Sorry if anybody lost time stalking <Sc2Maf>Player to get infos on me xD

[Hybrid]

Hybrid, you may belive I'm <Sc2Maf>Player but no. In fact I'm not even Player, I'm PIayer (uppercase i) on my main, and you won't know my NA alt as even I can't remember it atm!

Sorry if anybody lost time stalking <Sc2Maf>Player to get infos on me xD

Now thats the plot twist

[PIayer]

wait 'til SJ come to call it another scheme <3

[PIayer]

TheDarkestLight

That's better this way, you don't just bold + red text, silly me =p

[Hybrid]

Hybrid, you may belive I'm <Sc2Maf>Player but no. In fact I'm not even Player, I'm PIayer (uppercase i) on my main, and you won't know my NA alt as even I can't remember it atm!

Sorry if anybody lost time stalking <Sc2Maf>Player to get infos on me xD

But thwre s one thing how do u know player is on sc2maf since u forgot ur NA acc and he s a new member of sc2maf so u possibly shoukdnt know

Or maybe u are the player that s been playibg single unit blah blah for a while

[Hybrid]

Sj sucks i ll give lead when i m home

[PIayer]

But thwre s one thing how do u know player is on sc2maf since u forgot ur NA acc and he s a new member of sc2maf so u possibly shoukdnt know

Or maybe u are the player that s been playibg single unit blah blah for a while
l
v

wait 'til SJ come to call it another scheme <3

[Hybrid]

TheDarkestLight

That's better this way, you don't just bold + red text, silly me =p

No actually you color it and make it bold Kappa

[Hybrid]

Like this -vote MM
Btw game accepts abbrvs. Kappa

[Hybrid]

Sj sucks i ll give lead when i m home

Forgot Kappa plz forgib

[SuperJack]

Like this -vote MM
Btw game accepts abbrvs. Kappa

No it does not. Don't lie.

[PIayer]

Now I gotta sleep

Idk if my "work" was that good but that was my attempt to help.


Will return to say hello before going to work

[Dr Unknown]

Dr Unknown: literally unknown, I won't vote you because remember the noob block, but you better start to contribute if you don't want to start looking suspicious imo. Share your thoughts!


I still hold my position, hybrid is acting weird, mesk isn't replying, AND he is also weird.
Both also have 0 usefulness. My vote would be one of them, but I haven't decided yet

[Hybrid]

Nooooo[oooooooooooıooooooıoıoıoıooooo sad will miss him

[Hybrid]

I still hold my position, hybrid is acting weird, mesk isn't replying, AND he is also weird.
Both also have 0 usefulness. My vote would be one of them, but I haven't decided yet

Before speak plz look at urself as well tge obly people has been usfull to town is piayer and sj so far and i ll be as well soon

[SuperJack]

I still hold my position, hybrid is acting weird, mesk isn't replying, AND he is also weird.
Both also have 0 usefulness. My vote would be one of them, but I haven't decided yet

Could you expand your position and give insight into some other players?

[mrtrophywife]

There was no jumping to conclusions or any bandwagon starting, please explain yourself mrtrophywife

Not saying there was one, but that doesn't seem like a winning strategy to start. I posted that much earlier in the day when we had little to go with.

[SuperJack]

Not saying there was one, but that doesn't seem like a winning strategy to start. I posted that much earlier in the day when we had little to go with.

So. It was basically a warning not to do X?
What are your thoughts on the game so far?

[Hybrid]

Now that I'm home I will explain why MM is Executioner in my opinion.


I am not convinced. Now I'm thinking about where will my vote go. Since the turkey is sleeping, Mesk514will have to tell me who is lover and who is connection. By the way, I still do not exclude the possibility of both being Triad.

Please share your thoughts. For now, only SJ has talked about this. now as you see he does want to push mesk but however he ends up voting for me accusing both me and mesk as triad. Why would he? Mesk514 was ther one who was online and i was sleeping. It might seem that he wants to have a free lynch on me
:thinking:... Mesk's message doesn't look like a Lover message. A Lover would defend himself more than that. This g---irl doesn't care about what I said, apparently. I assume it is not her win condition. So if it is not Mesk... Hybrid
This is a serious vote, not some randoming. I really want to hear Hybrid defend himself on this. Else, my vote stays on him.
here he says not a random vote but therefore he could have pushed mesk much more maybe he just wanted to see if she ll overextend and defend me but that won t happen no one would do that and i think he should be knowing that. But still he ended up voting for me and not pushing mesk as much as he could. Also there is this one:
Plus, it's the almighty mesk always town, it's known...
I don't think it s sarcasm. It does seem like some confusing talk to make confusion around the town which's a scummy thing.

My god, I feel like you're all pleading the Fifth Amendement... SJ wanted information from Player. He never got any. I literally accusated Hybrid, and I got no answer. Mesk gave ONE non-shit post. Hybrid gave 0. You are on trial, guys. SAY SOMETHING!!! FailFish

HE KNEW I WAS SLEEPING, he just knew it. But he made town understand the situation like i am not sleeping nor afk and forcing a lynch on me. Isn't that kind of exeish thing to do?


Not really. You want substance? There you go.

Town reads
SuperJack
PIayer
xramza

I don't know reads
Otakudweeb69
Scvmurderer
mrtrophywife
Dr Unknown
TheDarkestLight
Other new players
RLVG

Scum reads
Mesk514
Hybrid


Please make a list of your suspects once you have read everything. It will help townies to know who thinks what.

He added PIayer and xramza to his list as town while they didn2t do that much. Why? Isn't that kind of fishy like trying to make grouping around to town to get Mesk or Me to lynched? Even though I didn't said anything scummy and Mesk only acted like a lover she didn't act like a scum that s kinda absurd isn't it?


There are a lot more examples of him pushing on me while i m asleep. It's absoultly a non-townie act which's trying to get free lynch on townie people.

[mrtrophywife]

So. It was basically a warning not to do X?
What are your thoughts on the game so far?

Yes.
Don't take my advice with great respect tho I'm not the most seasoned player lol

Woke up and read ~15 pages. Musk is not scummy at all to me- just a shitposter, that happens. loki has worded his posts in a way so confusing that he sounds both innocent and guilty at the same time. Tbh I agree with player on pretty much everything lol