S-FM 233: 8-2-2

[Hybrid]

U know what fuck it let s lynch xramza since we have no one to blame if he s town whixh prolly isnst xramza

[xramza]

U know what fuck it let s lynch xramza since we have no one to blame if he s town whixh prolly isnst xramza
I make valid defenses and you respond, "fuck it, voting time." Cool.

[Scvmurderer]

Are you even playing this game? Like I get both you and Hybrid's strategy is to make replies so not worth acknowledging that no one calls you out on it, but I've been on the same people since the day started. You also act like it would be a certainty that the scum team would know each other. Perhaps because you know your other scum.

What was that you said earlier xramza?


I pushed on Hybrid and he actually started to go back and develop arguments in response to different people. I pushed on Scv and he continues doing what he has been but louder. I don't know what world Scv is not scum in, and I feel like he's our most common ground.


So have you been tunneling all game or have you been random accusing?

[xramza]

What was that you said earlier xramza?



So have you been tunneling all game or have you been random accusing?
What are you even talking about? I clearly said who my candidates were each day and followed through with it. Surely I'm not the one tunneling this game and surely I'm not randomly accusing people, as every time I've made a vote aside from Nawa there's been a lengthy explanation for it. You only act like there's no middle ground for me because it seems like an offense when it's not

[Hybrid]

Eh as i said it s trophy mrtrophywife

[mrtrophywife]

Running for 30 minutes. Can't stand the random flips.
[VOTE]Hybrid/[VOTE]

[Hybrid]

Kk sleeping now if we don t lynch town will have a chance but it d be ratther low

[Hybrid]

Running for 30 minutes. Can't stand the random flips.
[VOTE]Hybrid/[VOTE]

Tbh u didn't acknowledged the situation u are in. U wheter vote xramza or unknown. Others won t happen.

[Scvmurderer]

Running for 30 minutes. Can't stand the random flips.
[VOTE]Hybrid/[VOTE]

You didnt vote. mrtrophywife

[Hybrid]

Eh lets lyncg mrtrophy
No lynch scnerio town might win

[Hybrid]

Sleeping in 5 min anythhing u wanna tell to me ppl?

[Scvmurderer]

Sleeping in 5 min anythhing u wanna tell to me ppl?

Its Xramza!

[xramza]

The lynch is probably going to be limited to only trophy because of the inactivity of others. This does not make me happy but it can't really be avoided. I'm going to give it another 20 minutes or so before I sleep as well.

I would be interested in Scv actually developing some sort of offense alongside his voting so that I could respond to it and actually be able to get something done today.

[Hybrid]

Nah let s lyncg trophy

[Hybrid]

Xramza sj and scv voting him would be enough

[Scvmurderer]

Xramza sj and scv voting him would be enough

I think Xramza wants to protect trophy. it seemed taht way from his earlier posts

[xramza]

I think Xramza wants to protect trophy. it seemed taht way from his earlier posts
I flat out said I would hammer him if it came down to it. You are not reading what I am saying.

[Scvmurderer]

I flat out said I would hammer him if it came down to it. You are not reading what I am saying.

I still see your vote on me. Determined to lynch me today?

[Hybrid]

Eh, unknown make ur choice do we kill trophy or xramza?

[xramza]

I still see your vote on me. Determined to lynch me today?
Refer to the post you just responded to. Or any other post I've made the entire day.

[Dr Unknown]

Where the fuck is unknown when you need him to show.

In cardiology rounds and prelectures, you dont want to know

[Scvmurderer]

In cardiology rounds and prelectures, you dont want to know

Vote xramzo or trophy, one of those two getting lynched today

[Dr Unknown]

Why on earth did we drop the 2 most obvious lynches (hybrid and scv) for trophy and xram?
Hybrid has been confusing town since the start, playing the.too scummy to be scum game. Maybe you people think he is town, but I don't think so
Scv is my second choice, he jumps on trains so much, contributes too little, along with all his weird one liners

[Hybrid]

I still amm waiting SuperJack please just say a namr and i ll sheep i don t wan t to be the lead....

[Dr Unknown]

Super Jack what do you think?

[Scvmurderer]

Why on earth did we drop the 2 most obvious lynches (hybrid and scv) for trophy and xram?
Hybrid has been confusing town since the start, playing the.too scummy to be scum game. Maybe you people think he is town, but I don't think so
Scv is my second choice, he jumps on trains so much, contributes too little, along with all his weird one liners

Opinion is split atm between trophy and xramza. It will be a no lynch or one of these two. Up to you.

[Scvmurderer]

30minutes left in day fyi

[xramza]

Why on earth did we drop the 2 most obvious lynches (hybrid and scv) for trophy and xram?
Hybrid has been confusing town since the start, playing the.too scummy to be scum game. Maybe you people think he is town, but I don't think so
Scv is my second choice, he jumps on trains so much, contributes too little, along with all his weird one liners

Because the two scummy ones you stated decided to be loud, not really even citing any evidence, especially on Scv's part. That's pretty much it. Someone understands why this doesn't make any sense.

The lynch is not between Trophy and I. Don't let the scum themselves tell you such. We could get five votes between me, player, trophy, you, and SJ. And maybe if TDL by some divine coincidence shows up.

[Scvmurderer]

Why on earth did we drop the 2 most obvious lynches (hybrid and scv) for trophy and xram?
Hybrid has been confusing town since the start, playing the.too scummy to be scum game. Maybe you people think he is town, but I don't think so
Scv is my second choice, he jumps on trains so much, contributes too little, along with all his weird one liners

Xramza is defintely judge. He even tried to set up a defense for when he called court later.


Also, keep in mind that the first person with a lot of pressure put on them will likely cause a Judge ability even if they are not the Judge. This could also happen tomorrow, but beware that no matter who it is, someone will be framed when a bout of pressure is put on them.

Unknown you're being played a sucker by xramzas long filler posts.

[Hybrid]

xramza
Ok willsleep see ya

[xramza]

Xramza is defintely judge. He even tried to set up a defense for when he called court later.



Unknown you're being played a sucker by xramzas long filler posts.

That one post is the only offense you use, and it was long after you had already accused me out of nowhere. It was a possibility I hadn't considered until today, where judge is basically guaranteed, and a reasonable one to put out as a town member since not everyone knew about it. Randomly voting isn't scumhunting.

[mrtrophywife]

Hybrid

[Scvmurderer]

20 minutes left. The players that are gone and afk have left their votes on Xramza. Either Xramza is lynched or no lynch at all

[Dr Unknown]

Because the two scummy ones you stated decided to be loud, not really even citing any evidence, especially on Scv's part. That's pretty much it. Someone understands why this doesn't make any sense.

The lynch is not between Trophy and I. Don't let the scum themselves tell you such. We could get five votes between me, player, trophy, you, and SJ. And maybe if TDL by some divine coincidence shows up.

Um, if I were judge, I would probably snap my ability when someone else is pressured, bam, a townie is dead, then pam, mafia kills another and then the innocent guy is lynched. I win.. (kind of)
Also, he makes much better arguments than you scv

[Hybrid]

Xramza if u really are town vote on trophy. U too unknown or else town will have no lynch

Trophy if u are town stop voting me and vote xramza

[Scvmurderer]

Hybrid

Trophy, aligning with judge, what a surprise scum move /s

[Dr Unknown]

Xramza if u really are town vote on trophy. U too unknown or else town will have no lynch

Trophy if u are town stop voting me and vote xramza

No lynch is better than townie lynch, dont you think?

[Scvmurderer]

No lynch is better than townie lynch, dont you think?

We will most likely lose if we dont lynch today.

[Hybrid]

I MEAN WHY THE FUCK DON T U VOTE MR TROPHY? IF I WERE TO GO AFK TOWN WONT HAVE LYNXH ALSO FUXJ THIS VOTING ON MRTROPHY EVEV IF HE IS TOWN HE DESERVES TO BE LYNCHED BY BEING LIKE THAT.....

mrtrophywife

[Hybrid]

Everyone that trusts me vote mr trop

Now i ll sleep.

[Dr Unknown]

Trophy, aligning with judge, what a surprise scum move /s

Um, I am the one who voted hybrid, are you calling me judge and not xram?

[xramza]

Also why in the hell wouldn't I have called court at this point? I've been on L-1 what, twice? I don't know why I'm even being considered for judge at this point. "I use authority in my posts." Yeah. Cool offense. So does hybrid, so does sj, so does scv. It's not even alignment indicative, it's just a way to get points across. We have a lot more to look at and it's being ignored by these two, so I question why we even keep them around until today in the first place.

Hybrid

If the vote has to be hybrid then thus it has to. I'd rather lynch Scv at this point, but it doesn't matter. A definitive train has to start, and if Trophy wants to side with me then by all means. Hybrid's constant OMGUS'ing this day will not yield anything.

[Scvmurderer]

I MEAN WHY THE FUCK DON T U VOTE MR TROPHY? IF I WERE TO GO AFK TOWN WONT HAVE LYNXH ALSO FUXJ THIS VOTING ON MRTROPHY EVEV IF HE IS TOWN HE DESERVES TO BE LYNCHED BY BEING LIKE THAT.....

mrtrophywife

...Player and sj going afk at this time really makes it hard to lynch. we got an afker sitting on xramza and trophy

[Scvmurderer]

15 minutes.

[Hybrid]

ALSO REMOVE UR VOTES ON ME IF I WAS SCUM I D JUST NOT VOTE AND KILL SJ OR PIAYER

[Dr Unknown]

Scv, do you believe hybrid is town?

[Scvmurderer]

Scv, do you believe hybrid is town?

Yes

[Dr Unknown]

Yes

Telll me Why again?

[Scvmurderer]

Telll me Why again?

He's dogged Nawa, called MM out as neut and has gotten a lot more literate lately. He also saw reason in me being town after him and me were at each others throats day 1.

[Scvmurderer]

mrtrophywife
If this is the only scum we have a chance on, so be it.

[xramza]

He's dogged Nawa, called MM out as neut and has gotten a lot more literate lately. He also saw reason in me being town after him and me were at each others throats day 1.

HE "DOGGED" NAWA. By not even voting on him. Ill ask again, are you even playing this game? Do you and Hybrid have some sort of out of game connection? I genuinely do not understand. You're sticking with him for the sole reason he town reads you and not looking at anyone else.

[Scvmurderer]

10 minutes.

[Scvmurderer]

HE "DOGGED" NAWA. By not even voting on him. Ill ask again, are you even playing this game? Do you and Hybrid have some sort of out of game connection? I genuinely do not understand. You're sticking with him for the sole reason he town reads you and not looking at anyone else.

Sigh, the judge trying to safe trophy the triad.

[Scvmurderer]

Also why in the hell wouldn't I have called court at this point? I've been on L-1 what, twice? I don't know why I'm even being considered for judge at this point. "I use authority in my posts." Yeah. Cool offense. So does hybrid, so does sj, so does scv. It's not even alignment indicative, it's just a way to get points across. We have a lot more to look at and it's being ignored by these two, so I question why we even keep them around until today in the first place.

Hybrid

If the vote has to be hybrid then thus it has to. I'd rather lynch Scv at this point, but it doesn't matter. A definitive train has to start, and if Trophy wants to side with me then by all means. Hybrid's constant OMGUS'ing this day will not yield anything.

You have never been on L-1. Don't make false claims.

[xramza]

Sigh, the judge trying to safe trophy the triad.
You dont even ACKNOWLEDGE the claims on you, and continue bussing. Either you're severely misguided as a new player, are a severely misguided scum, or have actually seen Hybrid's rolecard and are both scum. It's not even guaranteed that the two scum know of eachother.

[Scvmurderer]

5 minutes.

[Scvmurderer]

Xramza, if you rlly are town then vote trophy. He is almost for sure scum

[Hybrid]

I swear to god... Ok newbies lost us the game no lynch yolo sj me or piayer will die.
Also vig s so underpoweres like wtf 1 shot?

[Dr Unknown]

If I die tonight, please pressure scv or hybrid for me

[mrtrophywife]

I MEAN WHY THE FUCK DON T U VOTE MR TROPHY? IF I WERE TO GO AFK TOWN WONT HAVE LYNXH ALSO FUXJ THIS VOTING ON MRTROPHY EVEV IF HE IS TOWN HE DESERVES TO BE LYNCHED BY BEING LIKE THAT.....

mrtrophywife

This is ridiculous. Why are we letting this joker pull stuff like this? It's been like this the entire game, doesn't it annoy you? This constant flip flopping and random accusations? It annoys me. I'm not going to let this unreliable random flimsy player dictate how this town votes. Cut the bullshit.

[Scvmurderer]

Unknown we need your vote now

[Scvmurderer]

Town will lose this. Letting themselves be misguided by the scum.

[Scvmurderer]

3 minutes

[xramza]

More likePIayer we need your vote.

[Hybrid]

You dont even ACKNOWLEDGE the claims on you, and continue bussing. Either you're severely misguided as a new player, are a severely misguided scum, or have actually seen Hybrid's rolecard and are both scum. It's not even guaranteed that the two scum know of eachother.

Keep goin keep goin... It s so obv that u r evil atm and manipulating dr unknown
Xramza triad
Trophy judge

[Dr Unknown]

Unknown we need your vote now

I am not putting my vote with the 2 I am reading as scummy. I would be contradicting myself

[Scvmurderer]

Bloody SJ having to go afk, he woulda backed us. I thought we all agreed SJ is town. He said it was narrowed down to Xramza, trophy and unknown himself

[Hybrid]

Town will lose this. Letting themselves be misguided by the scum.

We didn t use our time properly and vig killing a townie then going afk.... This one was cancer pffs hope in the next fm it wont happen

[Scvmurderer]

I am not putting my vote with the 2 I am reading as scummy. I would be contradicting myself

Your either scum or a dumb townie. Thx for costing game.

[Scvmurderer]

We didn t use our time properly and vig killing a townie then going afk.... This one was cancer pffs hope in the next fm it wont happen

I hope theres mores active palyers in ti then this one

[Scvmurderer]

1 Minute

[Hybrid]

I am not putting my vote with the 2 I am reading as scummy. I would be contradicting myself

Yup with ur great knowledge and all the deep reads u ve made right?

[xramza]

Keep goin keep goin... It s so obv that u r evil atm and manipulating dr unknown
Xramza triad
Trophy judge
And you're trying to manipulate everyone with random accusations that come out of nowhere. Why would I not be trying to get the scumreads lynched.

Also 2 minutes left so AAAAGH.
We have to lynch today. I don't want to do this but we have to go with the gamble.
mrtrophywife
If this guy doesnt flip triad and the scum decides I'm the kill, keep in mind Scv and Hybrids play.
Jesus. I said I'd do it. The town shall not go without justice.

[Scvmurderer]

UNKNOWN DO IT

[Scvmurderer]

NOW

[mrtrophywife]

Y'all are ridiculous. Can't stand this sleeping on a "yolo"

[xramza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQfiWFwVF8M

[Scvmurderer]

unknown
VOTE

[Dr Unknown]

mrtrophywife
Ah well, fuck it

[The Godfather]

mrtrophywife has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


mrtrophywife ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/30180') (5 [L-0]): Scvmurderer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697289'), xramza ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697312'), Dr Unknown ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697318'), Hybrid ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697278'), PIayer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697189')
xramza ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/12671') (1 [L-4]): SuperJack ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697152')
Hybrid ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/28998') (1 [L-4]): mrtrophywife ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697271')

[Gyrlander]

Night Three

mtrophywife was lynched. He was the Marshall.

Player List


1. Hybrid
2. SuperJack
4. xramza
5. Scvmurderer
6. Player
11. Dr Unknown
12. TheDarkestLight

Graveyard

Marshmallow Marshall - Executioner
Nawa - Dragon Head
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout
Mesk514 - Detective
mrtrophywife - Marshall

Day Four will start in...

00:05:32:00


Please PM me all Night Actions at least 1 hour before Day Start.

[Gyrlander]

Day Four

TheDarkestLight was found dead surrounded by spilt high class Spanish wine. He was a Vigilante.


Player List

1. Hybrid
2. SuperJack
4. xramza
5. Scvmurderer
6. Player
11. Dr Unknown

Graveyard

Marshmallow Marshall - Executioner
Nawa - Dragon Head
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout
Mesk514 - Detective
mrtrophywife - Marshall
TheDarkestLight - Vigilante

Night 4 will start in...

02:00:09:00


4

[Dr Unknown]

one of the older doctors once told me to trust myself even if i disagree with my seniors, now i know why.
I shouldn't have listened to ya people voting trophy, from now on, i will keep my vote on hybrid or SCV and no one else till i see some change

[Dr Unknown]

Hybrid

[Dr Unknown]

what happens if a citizen is left with a judge, or a citizen and one triad? who wins?

[Gyrlander]

what happens if a citizen is left with a judge, or a citizen and one triad? who wins?

Ties: Triad/Neutral Evil > Town > Neutral Benign

[Scvmurderer]

LOLOLOL. Marshall lynch nice. I'm and back in a couple getting back from golf game and gonna nap.

[Scvmurderer]

Dr Unknown

[SuperJack]

LOLOLOL. Marshall lynch nice. I'm and back in a couple getting back from golf game and gonna nap.

Why are you laughing?

[Scvmurderer]

Gonna sit my vote there till I get back just incase.

[Dr Unknown]

LOLOLOL. Marshall lynch nice. I'm and back in a couple getting back from golf game and gonna nap.

guess we have a sure scum here now
Scvmurderer

[xramza]

what happens if a citizen is left with a judge, or a citizen and one triad? who wins?
Pretty sure evils/triad would always win in a tie.

Also, this game is a hilarious meme now. How can this happen.
The only blame able to be put anywhere is on Hybrid and Scv for randomly shifting so many times within the course of <1 hour and probably giving the guy literally no time to react. Whether it was on purpose, who knows, but it could be. I thought the guy was town gov. all game but of course, that's a gut read and we absolutely had to lynch someone yesterday. Mylo boys.

Also, I find it really, really strange that TDL died being entirely AFK. What we can gather is that whoever made the kill probably was not pushed enough to feel much pressure from anyone during the day chat. Hybrid remains my candidate, but the looming SJ (or Player) conspiracy is a bit scary. Judge is still entirely up in the air. Scv remains my suspicion because of the bussing with Hybrid and his play in general, but we can't really gather anything new since his play as of now follows no self direction at all. We have to hear from the quieter people more today if this absolute travesty is recoverable at all.

Personal note. Goddamn I'm tired. Goddamn circular thinking has gone racing. With how I posted the first day I expected to get killed by scum in the night (or at the time draw in an audit) like a cit should, technically, be looking to do and here I am a week later. Good luck to all yall living. Except scum, still, of course

[SuperJack]

Wow, Just step back one second. Little bit more detail into the votes?

It's late game, I'm awake and kicking with a hot brew and we need to discuss logically, if we make a mistake today we most likely lose the game.

I'm really miffed at Hybrid, I was fine with lynching xramza yesterday, but the sudden switch afterwards, which was late and heavily sheeped and desperate, on top of that the very simple point I made being ruthlessly ignored.

Nawa had obviously planned to mislead the lynch onto trophywife, and the train was pushed to follow this plan exactly.

[SuperJack]

Pretty sure evils/triad would always win in a tie.

Also, this game is a hilarious meme now. How can this happen.
The only blame able to be put anywhere is on Hybrid and Scv for randomly shifting so many times within the course of <1 hour and probably giving the guy literally no time to react. Whether it was on purpose, who knows, but it could be. I thought the guy was town gov. all game but of course, that's a gut read and we absolutely had to lynch someone yesterday. Mylo boys.

Also, I find it really, really strange that TDL died being entirely AFK. What we can gather is that whoever made the kill probably was not pushed enough to feel much pressure from anyone during the day chat. Hybrid remains my candidate, but the looming SJ (or Player) conspiracy is a bit scary. Judge is still entirely up in the air. Scv remains my suspicion because of the bussing with Hybrid and his play in general, but we can't really gather anything new since his play as of now follows no self direction at all. We have to hear from the quieter people more today if this absolute travesty is recoverable at all.

Personal note. Goddamn I'm tired. Goddamn circular thinking has gone racing. With how I posted the first day I expected to get killed by scum in the night (or at the time draw in an audit) like a cit should, technically, be looking to do and here I am a week later. Good luck to all yall living. Except scum, still, of course

TDL died because he was Town comfirmed. No amount of in-game reads can top a mechanicaly proven town slot.
Eliminating TDL was the best decision for scum.

[xramza]

TDL died because he was Town comfirmed. No amount of in-game reads can top a mechanicaly proven town slot.
Eliminating TDL was the best decision for scum.
Suppose you're right. I didn't even consider him the entire last day since he simply wasn't there.

[SuperJack]

Suppose you're right. I didn't even consider him the entire last day since he simply wasn't there.

Which sucks because a voice from someone who is confirmed town is useful, but I understand he was feeling pretty bummed because of his mis-fire. I would of done the same though, I spent the night reading Oka's posts and was planning to push on him, I think I ended up felling just the same as TDL.

[xramza]

Well, we got a 1/3 chance today as far as I see it. I still wish we would've lynched Scv or Hybrid yesterday because giving how they're playing eachother I figure there has to be at least one scum between the two.

I... Really don't have the time to pull out another iso, I really didn't expect to be in it this long. Shit is stacking up for me. But I feel like I should stick to my guns at the core. From my perspective we've gotta vote Scv or Hybrid. If anything stuck out to me from the others I would have called it out when I went back for those two but nothing at all did. You, player, and even unknown have literally been slipless wherever the scum lies there. I feel like there's no room for Unknown to be in my lynch pool now, even if he did hammer the marshall I suppose I hammered him just as much.The town panicked, rationally, in response to the scum as far as I can see it.

I can understand how a vote against me seems reasonable especially based on how irritable my play has gotten, but I urge a look at the evidence I put out that neither Scv and Hybrid really acknowledged, with the post coming more than 24h before day end, other than the comment of "omgus lol."

[PIayer]

Basically YOU LYNCHED THE MARSHALL


Did trophy even read his role card? considering his last words I believe not xD
At this point I just think he missed the fact he could be 100% town confirmed + 24h of valuable time to town just by saying so. Truly sorry for him if it it's that.

Still entertained af lol


I didn't dare to foresee this scenario, but it is actually happening so special thanks to TDL & Trophy for failing at town, SJ for giving me win, and overall everybody really for your kind townreads on me. It warmed my heart <3

I talked whole game about The-Mastermind-That-Was-Promised yet nobody deeply believed it could actually be me lol

BC THATS RIGHT GAME'S OVER B*TCHES, I WAS VGD ONCE, RIP SWEET MARSHALL
NOTHING TO FEAR => JUDGE WE WON 100% CONFIRMED

Just pick any two you dislike, we lynch one, NK the other, 2v2 GG. Solving is so simple when town is citizen only.

(Still, if you decide to screw me at this point for omgus or w/e, they'll just lynch me and with no NK you know what's next. I believe you got no choice but to call court today for reasons I've exposed before, so got no choice but to reveal here since I'm basically "obvious townblock" material at this point. This Marshal flip was so unexpected rofl. Now I would hate myself for wasting that much work and stars alignment on a silly judge misread. So from now on we win together or die together <3 but I did my part)



GG WP

[SuperJack]

Did trophy even read his role card? considering his last words I believe not xD
At this point I just think he missed the fact he could be 100% town confirmed + 24h of valuable time to town just by saying so. Truly sorry for him if it it's that.

Still entertained af lol


I didn't dare to foresee this scenario, but it is actually happening so special thanks to TDL & Trophy for failing at town, SJ for giving me win, and overall everybody really for your kind townreads on me. It warmed my heart <3

I talked whole game about The-Mastermind-That-Was-Promised yet nobody deeply believed it could actually be me lol

BC THATS RIGHT GAME'S OVER B*TCHES, I WAS VGD ONCE, RIP SWEET MARSHALL
NOTHING TO FEAR => JUDGE WE WON 100% CONFIRMED

Just pick any two you dislike, we lynch one, NK the other, 2v2 GG. Solving is so simple when town is citizen only.

(Still, if you decide to screw me at this point for omgus or w/e, they'll just lynch me and with no NK you know what's next. I believe you got no choice but to call court today for reasons I've exposed before, so got no choice but to reveal here since I'm basically "obvious townblock" material at this point. This Marshal flip was so unexpected rofl. Now I would hate myself for wasting that much work and stars alignment on a silly judge misread. So from now on we win together or die together <3 but I did my part)



GG WP

Are you claiming scum?

[SuperJack]

PIayer

[SuperJack]

Did trophy even read his role card? considering his last words I believe not xD
At this point I just think he missed the fact he could be 100% town confirmed + 24h of valuable time to town just by saying so. Truly sorry for him if it it's that.

Still entertained af lol


I didn't dare to foresee this scenario, but it is actually happening so special thanks to TDL & Trophy for failing at town, SJ for giving me win, and overall everybody really for your kind townreads on me. It warmed my heart <3

I talked whole game about The-Mastermind-That-Was-Promised yet nobody deeply believed it could actually be me lol

BC THATS RIGHT GAME'S OVER B*TCHES, I WAS VGD ONCE, RIP SWEET MARSHALL
NOTHING TO FEAR => JUDGE WE WON 100% CONFIRMED

Just pick any two you dislike, we lynch one, NK the other, 2v2 GG. Solving is so simple when town is citizen only.

(Still, if you decide to screw me at this point for omgus or w/e, they'll just lynch me and with no NK you know what's next. I believe you got no choice but to call court today for reasons I've exposed before, so got no choice but to reveal here since I'm basically "obvious townblock" material at this point. This Marshal flip was so unexpected rofl. Now I would hate myself for wasting that much work and stars alignment on a silly judge misread. So from now on we win together or die together <3 but I did my part)



GG WP

This is a scum claim, depending on a Judge to call court for an easy win. (If Judge does exist, if not then LOL)
This may seem as a loss, but here is the solution.

Judge call requires Host to be online, Gyrlander is currently sleeping which means if we can lynch piayer before the host gets a message from a Judge, thats one free scum kill.

SO EVERYONE VOTE
piayer

Its spelt p-i-a-y-e-r

[SuperJack]

Hybrid
xramza
Scvmurderer
Dr Unknown


If one of you do not vote, it probably means you're the other scum.
Your votes are needed on piayer ASAP.
piayer claimed scum.

[SuperJack]

I'm also going to sleep now.

[xramza]

Ofc on a day like this it's logically everyone's strat to claim scum since they do in theory have a free win. They don't know each other. Player could be scum, and he might just be a town trying to draw out the other scum. Claiming scum means literally nothing because the strategy could be equal parts actual scum claim and attempting to draw an actual scum claim out.

That being said, yes I am definitely scum as well haha bitches get played.

[xramza]

SJ you're experienced aren't you? It's a little strange that you don't even consider that it could be a town play. It makes more sense if it is anyway. Since Judge doesn't activate instantaneously.

But if I get to be the one to respond. Yes hello it is I. The triad mastermind. Here to win the game. Judge, if you're listening, call court on SJ and piayer, and if either are you, move to Unknown in place of you. The new sun will rise as our enemies have fallen.

[xramza]

And now I've done nothing because I missed the point that piayer didn't claim judge. Well, worth a shot to try and bait it out.

[SuperJack]

Ofc on a day like this it's logically everyone's strat to claim scum since they do in theory have a free win. They don't know each other. Player could be scum, and he might just be a town trying to draw out the other scum. Claiming scum means literally nothing because the strategy could be equal parts actual scum claim and attempting to draw an actual scum claim out.

That being said, yes I am definitely scum as well haha bitches get played.


SJ you're experienced aren't you? It's a little strange that you don't even consider that it could be a town play. It makes more sense if it is anyway. Since Judge doesn't activate instantaneously.

But if I get to be the one to respond. Yes hello it is I. The triad mastermind. Here to win the game. Judge, if you're listening, call court on SJ and piayer, and if either are you, move to Unknown in place of you. The new sun will rise as our enemies have fallen.

Problem lies if you are the Evil role, trying to persuade me and the others to sit back and hope it's not true.
I believe piayer is intelligent enough not to try to pull off some stupid gambit like this, we have plenty of information to scum hunt now and definitely don't need to rely on an off change that the neutral evil is a judge that believes his play.

Also if you believed his gambit you would definitely not of done the same to add to the confusion, you would of waitied to see if the action took place.

[SuperJack]

I seriously have to sleep for real,.I have to be up in 2 hours to dive to go home for another 3 hour sleep.

[SuperJack]

So if your saying/doing something do it now.

[xramza]

But yes. If the Judge is smart and they say who they are calling court on first and then call court the scum instantly win. Conversely, the triad could have court called on them. So how about, if I'm judge, court will be called on Scv and Hybrid. The wheel of fate is turning. The game is up to the Judge's decision. It'll probably be made the moment Gyrlander comes back online if I had to place a bet. So I guess we must simply wait. In the meantime,

Hybrid
A blitz before Judge comes into play is nearly impossible but if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen on this man.

[xramza]

That's all I got. Game's not in my hands. Or is it. Guess the court will decide.

[xramza]

Player has begun the wheel of WIFOM, so at this point the points don't matter and the game gets to play itself.

[SuperJack]

But yes. If the Judge is smart and they say who they are calling court on first and then call court the scum instantly win. Conversely, the triad could have court called on them. So how about, if I'm judge, court will be called on Scv and Hybrid. The wheel of fate is turning. The game is up to the Judge's decision. It'll probably be made the moment Gyrlander comes back online if I had to place a bet. So I guess we must simply wait. In the meantime,

Hybrid
A blitz before Judge comes into play is nearly impossible but if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen on this man.

I could get.behind a hybrid vote because he definitely gives off neutral evil vibes and his play this game matches.

[xramza]

I could get.behind a hybrid vote because he definitely gives off neutral evil vibes and his play this game matches.
I would recommend voting, since the game is over for the scum if the Judge courts.

[xramza]

The game is over for the town, I mean, of course

[Scvmurderer]

Hm, guess whos back fuckers. Now lets lynch PIayer. He prob miscounted the remaining ppl alive lol.

[Scvmurderer]

PIayer

[Scvmurderer]

Pretty sure evils/triad would always win in a tie.

Also, this game is a hilarious meme now. How can this happen.
The only blame able to be put anywhere is on Hybrid and Scv for randomly shifting so many times within the course of <1 hour and probably giving the guy literally no time to react. Whether it was on purpose, who knows, but it could be. I thought the guy was town gov. all game but of course, that's a gut read and we absolutely had to lynch someone yesterday. Mylo boys.

Also, I find it really, really strange that TDL died being entirely AFK. What we can gather is that whoever made the kill probably was not pushed enough to feel much pressure from anyone during the day chat. Hybrid remains my candidate, but the looming SJ (or Player) conspiracy is a bit scary. Judge is still entirely up in the air. Scv remains my suspicion because of the bussing with Hybrid and his play in general, but we can't really gather anything new since his play as of now follows no self direction at all. We have to hear from the quieter people more today if this absolute travesty is recoverable at all.

Personal note. Goddamn I'm tired. Goddamn circular thinking has gone racing. With how I posted the first day I expected to get killed by scum in the night (or at the time draw in an audit) like a cit should, technically, be looking to do and here I am a week later. Good luck to all yall living. Except scum, still, of course

I'm hurt you think I have not self direction.

[Scvmurderer]

The game is over for the town, I mean, of course

Spoken like a judge xramza. Today is last day for the town to unite and vote an evil and still win. So you gonna call court now or tmrw?

[xramza]

Spoken like a judge xramza. Today is last day for the town to unite and vote an evil and still win. So you gonna call court now or tmrw?
Nah dawg, there's 6 people alive, you're the one miscounting. Town can't really unite if the judge knows what they're doing. Game would have been over if I were judge.

[xramza]

Spoken like a judge xramza. Today is last day for the town to unite and vote an evil and still win. So you gonna call court now or tmrw?
Dawg, if you're the judge, call court on Hybrid and SJ or something and end the game. Call it out before you do it. And you win

[Scvmurderer]

Dawg, if you're the judge, call court on Hybrid and SJ or something and end the game. Call it out before you do it. And you win

Still hung up on me being judge? Never considereded scum?

[xramza]

Still hung up on me being judge? Never considereded scum?
You've looked like the obvious judge for two days now. Impress me if you're not and lynch someone before the judge can step in.

[Scvmurderer]

xramza

[xramza]

xramza
Dunno what you suspect me of being, but if you are the judge you're playing it wrong.

[Scvmurderer]

Dunno what you suspect me of being, but if you are the judge you're playing it wrong.

What trying to deflect since you need one more lynched for sure win?

[xramza]

What trying to deflect since you need one more lynched for sure win?
You don't understand the game at all. Court will be called today. Town will be looking for court to be called between a town and a triad. It's all up to the skill of the Judge.

Since court hasn't begun, I'd have to assume the judge could be hybrid, or the host, more likely, has just not been around. My appeal to the Judge has already been stated for the day. For all intents and purposes I claim scum.

[xramza]

Claiming scum today is a townier move than remaining as a town. Player knows this. That's why court is gonna be called on him. If you're smart you won't still claim to be town.

[Scvmurderer]

So your saying the judge should court player and one more confirmed townie? Prob SJ i imagine. So do it xramza, PULL THE TRIGGER

[xramza]

So your saying the judge should court player and one more confirmed townie? Prob SJ i imagine. So do it xramza, PULL THE TRIGGER
You act like there are confirmed townies. There are not. Do you need me to draw you a timeline for how the day will go? I think you're missing the point.

[Scvmurderer]

You act like there are confirmed townies. There are not. Do you need me to draw you a timeline for how the day will go? I think you're missing the point.

DRAW HOW YOU WILL MASTERMIND THIS GAME ENDING DAY

[xramza]

DRAW HOW YOU WILL MASTERMIND THIS GAME ENDING DAY
Alright. I'll be straight with you, I'm not the judge. I'm the other bad guy. Or am I? The judge decides that. You wanna know why? Here are the steps as to why scum are assured victory. Since it is as such, I shouldn't be spending my time doing this anyway.

1. Judge announces who he will be calling court on. If the two he announced are in court, then everyone knows he is the judge, and thus he will not die at night.
2. Judge hopes that one of the two he called court on are not Triad. This is the only way town can win. The judge has to get unlucky. Only after court is called is there any worth in trying to prove your innocence, because until then it's more important to prove your scumminess.
3. One of the two is lynched. The other is nightkilled IF they are not triad. If they are triad, they nightkill anyone who was not the correctly proclaimed judge. GG.

Hopefully me explaining the steps is a good enough proof that I'm a bad guy. Hey Judge. I'm your guy. Lynch some people in this "confirmed town" circle. Thank you.

[xramza]

Simply. The town is at the Judge's mercy until they call court. Then the judge's victims are at the Town's mercy.

All of this WIFOM will sure look pointless if there isn't a judge. But it wouldn't make sense for there not to be.

[Scvmurderer]

Alright. I'll be straight with you, I'm not the judge. I'm the other bad guy. Or am I? The judge decides that. You wanna know why? Here are the steps as to why scum are assured victory. Since it is as such, I shouldn't be spending my time doing this anyway.

1. Judge announces who he will be calling court on. If the two he announced are in court, then everyone knows he is the judge, and thus he will not die at night.
2. Judge hopes that one of the two he called court on are not Triad. This is the only way town can win. The judge has to get unlucky. Only after court is called is there any worth in trying to prove your innocence, because until then it's more important to prove your scumminess.
3. One of the two is lynched. The other is nightkilled IF they are not triad. If they are triad, they nightkill anyone who was not the correctly proclaimed judge. GG.

Hopefully me explaining the steps is a good enough proof that I'm a bad guy. Hey Judge. I'm your guy. Lynch some people in this "confirmed town" circle. Thank you.

Lol xramza being scum. Thatd be a good one. Judge maybe, scum no.

[xramza]

Lol @xramza (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=12671) being scum. Thatd be a good one. Judge maybe, scum no.
Top judge I am giving what would be a game winning strategy for myself and then not using it. Are you playing this game, dawg?

[Scvmurderer]

Top judge I am giving what would be a game winning strategy for myself and then not using it. Are you playing this game, dawg?

All I see is a judge. Y so defensive on the topic?

[xramza]

All I see is a judge. Y so defensive on the topic?
Because the game is going to end. Judge can't read me as a judge. Judge can only read me as a scum. That's me, the scum.

[Scvmurderer]

Because the game is going to end. Judge can't read me as a judge. Judge can only read me as a scum. That's me, the scum.

Scum my ass, stop defending yourself while you wait for Gyrlander to come back. It wont help you.

[Hybrid]

piayer lynch asap

[Hybrid]

Last 2 on fokeb piayer asap lynch

[xramza]

Scum my ass, stop defending yourself while you wait for Gyrlander to come back. It wont help you.
If I had called court, I wouldn't be worried about the court being delayed. I would have notifed him in advance today, and at the very least if not that waited until he was online. It's incredibly unlikely for a lynch before court anyway.

[xramza]

Hybrid actually doesn't have a bad idea this time. We can finesse on Player and avoid court altogether.
piayer

[Scvmurderer]

piayer lynch asap

Bs, i bet your the scum with xramza

Hybrid

[xramza]

Bs, i bet your the scum with xramza

Hybrid
OH THE IRONY!

[Scvmurderer]

OH THE IRONY!

THE IRONY IS REAL, YOU WANTED YOUR HYBRID LYNCH, CONGRATZ, HERE IT IS

[xramza]

Piayer at L-1. If you're not Judge, Scv, this is the only gamble we have left.

[xramza]

SJ AINT HERE TO LYNCH HYBRID, I'D LOVE TO, BUT THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE BOYO

[Hybrid]

Btw i vee alwways susped piayer but just cuz of the thibg he said in signs i didnt waNted to lybch him 😥

[Hybrid]

Piayer at L-1. If you're not Judge, Scv, this is the only gamble we have left.

I m the only real cit claim

[Scvmurderer]

SJ AINT HERE TO LYNCH HYBRID, I'D LOVE TO, BUT THIS IS THE LAST CHANCE BOYO

TOO BAD YOUR JUDGE AND HYBRID IS SCUM. FUCK IT, TOWN LOST

XRAMZA THIS IS ON YOU!

CHOO CHOO
piayer

[The Godfather]

PIayer has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Scvmurderer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/29766') (1 [L-3]): Dr Unknown ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697364')
PIayer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/27720') (4 [L-0]): Scvmurderer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697430'), SuperJack ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697377'), xramza ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697422'), Hybrid ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697419')

[Gyrlander]

Night Four

PIayer was lynched. He was a Citizen.

Player List


1. Hybrid
2. SuperJack
4. xramza
5. Scvmurderer
11. Dr Unknown

Graveyard

Marshmallow Marshall - Executioner
Nawa - Dragon Head
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout
Mesk514 - Detective
mrtrophywife - Marshall
TheDarkestLight - Vigilante
PIayer - Citizen

Day Five will start in...

01:07:21:00


Please PM me all Night Actions at least 1 hour before Day Start.

[Scvmurderer]

Hm

[Gyrlander]

[CENTER][FONT=Century Gothic]
Day Five

SuperJack couldn't hold Spain's temperature and died. He was an Auditor.


Player List

1. Hybrid
4. xramza
5. Scvmurderer
11. Dr Unknown

Graveyard

Marshmallow Marshall - Executioner
Nawa - Dragon Head
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout
Mesk514 - Detective
mrtrophywife - Marshall
TheDarkestLight - Vigilante
PIayer - Citizen
SuperJack - Auditor

Night 4 will start in...

02:00:00:00


3

[Gyrlander]

Hm

Next time you do that I'll fucking nuke your house.

[xramza]

We're still in the game boys. We can still do this.

I'm so tired.

[xramza]

I didn't take any notes during the night. Between the three of you guys left, I still feel like Hybrid would be the best to kill but... It's such a toss up at this point.

I'm reluctant to encourage it because I do want the game to end, but no-lynching is an option? Though the scum could just also decide to not kill.

[Scvmurderer]

Next time you do that I'll fucking nuke your house.

Heh

[Scvmurderer]

I didn't take any notes during the night. Between the three of you guys left, I still feel like Hybrid would be the best to kill but... It's such a toss up at this point.

I'm reluctant to encourage it because I do want the game to end, but no-lynching is an option? Though the scum could just also decide to not kill.

Did we forget ur scum already?

[xramza]

Did we forget ur scum already?
If you insist. But cutting off possibilities is not helpful to the town. Which is why you also don't look good since you jump on a random lynch literally every day.

This is hell. I'm with Scv and Hybrid in a final four. Hell, maybe it's even Unknown who wants to make me unhappy and a target by keeping the other two alive. I'm going to do all of the reading I can for the moment, wee woo

[xramza]

Thinking about it, actually.


I m the only real cit claim
Has this guy been softclaiming audited triad all game? Auditor is notified if their target gets turned into enforcer, so maybe there's an interaction somewhere where SuperJack tries to hint it in return (obviously unsuccessfully). Claiming cit yesterday literally only made sense if you knew there wasn't a judge.

[xramza]

But SJ hardly acknowledged Scv or Unknown, which had to mean that they read one of them as the other partner. But SJ was so widely townread every single day that no one's reactions could really be judged. Unless we assume SJ hit the triad which they probably did. If I had any hint that there was an auditor in the game I would have sworn that SJ hit player as scum yesterday, tried to hint at it, and then it fucked up. But that's obviously not the case.

[Scvmurderer]

But SJ hardly acknowledged Scv or Unknown, which had to mean that they read one of them as the other partner. But SJ was so widely townread every single day that no one's reactions could really be judged. Unless we assume SJ hit the triad which they probably did. If I had any hint that there was an auditor in the game I would have sworn that SJ hit player as scum yesterday, tried to hint at it, and then it fucked up. But that's obviously not the case.

Hm, Xramza ya scum, lets go lynch your partner. Its either unknown or hybrid.

[Scvmurderer]

hybrid

[xramza]

Hm, Xramza ya scum, lets go lynch your partner. Its either unknown or hybrid.
Yes. Definitely. My partner.

I'm fine with lynching hybrid. Would like to at least hear from him and unknown once today before placing any kind of vote.

[xramza]

Oh, I did actually forget about the fact Scv was checked.

Though, upon looking now, Auditor acts before investigative roles. Which means if Scv was an agent/consigliere or whatever that he would have been audited first IF he were audited on the same night and thus wouldn't have visited anyone.

That being said, that's a crazy coincidence if it did happen, and I still believe Hybrid is probably safer.

[xramza]

Honestly, better yet.

If an investigative role is audited, do they still visit and just not get results, or do they not visit at all?

The answer could 100% clear Scv.

[Hybrid]

OH SWEET AUDITOR DIED LUL I WAS PRAYING HARD FOR THIS SHIT YES!

Now, how memey can this game get?

[Hybrid]

brb checking setup to see OoO

[Scvmurderer]

OH SWEET AUDITOR DIED LUL I WAS PRAYING HARD FOR THIS SHIT YES!

Now, how memey can this game get?

Not much more, youll gonna die today

[Hybrid]

Order of Actions

1. Jailor detains target.
2. Night Discussion
3. Veteran Alerts
4. Target Switched and Roleblockers (Witches, Bus Drivers then Escort & Liaison)
5. Forger frames
6. Killing roles & Suicides
7. Auditor Audits
8. Investigative Roles

Therefore, Mesk didn't even get to see anything that s been happening. I hope that d answer ur question xramza. Also we r not sure if she did or not get audit, since audit happens after kill. Tho if i were to be scum i d kill sj first since i know that mesk would blindly believe in me and SJ would be much more scum-hunty on me if he were to assume that i m 60-70% scum, sooo it s my logic to go on but since no one knows me here well i ll end up being lynched and town will lost

[Hybrid]

Not much more, youll gonna die today

How about town win? Kappa LUL

i'll prove why m not scum before game ends

ALSO CRYLANDER ADD ADD 8 TO 10 MORE HOURS TO THIS GAME OF DAY SINCE IT MIGHT END TODAy

[Hybrid]

Also, me being on L-1 is dangerous so do not vote me if you are town. Now brb.

[xramza]

Order of Actions

1. Jailor detains target.
2. Night Discussion
3. Veteran Alerts
4. Target Switched and Roleblockers (Witches, Bus Drivers then Escort & Liaison)
5. Forger frames
6. Killing roles & Suicides
7. Auditor Audits
8. Investigative Roles

Therefore, Mesk didn't even get to see anything that s been happening. I hope that d answer ur question xramza. Also we r not sure if she did or not get audit, since audit happens after kill. Tho if i were to be scum i d kill sj first since i know that mesk would blindly believe in me and SJ would be much more scum-hunty on me if he were to assume that i m 60-70% scum, sooo it s my logic to go on but since no one knows me here well i ll end up being lynched and town will lost
Wait, what are you talking about? The question is whether Scv would have still visited but not checked even with an audit. By my logic becoming a cit would imply not visiting but it might not be so

And I'm not going to vote so soon, I think we should at least hear from Unknown a few times first

[Hybrid]

Thinking about it, actually.


Has this guy been softclaiming audited triad all game? Auditor is notified if their target gets turned into enforcer, so maybe there's an interaction somewhere where SuperJack tries to hint it in return (obviously unsuccessfully). Claiming cit yesterday literally only made sense if you knew there wasn't a judge.

No, that s impossible. I softclaimed citizen D1.


Hmm, there is that thing. Can lover be loving town goverment? If yes he will side with town confirmed. Tho we won't know if he s really loving Gov tho but that s fine.

Now another thing, will we become stump if citizens gets audited? Kappa

Also i will be so much prejudice against ScvMurderer and mrtrophywife since i ve never seen the mplay it (tho i m glad that scvmurderer wont be able to spam yay)

[xramza]

Wait, what are you talking about? The question is whether Scv would have still visited but not checked even with an audit. By my logic becoming a cit would imply not visiting but it might not be so

And I'm not going to vote so soon, I think we should at least hear from Unknown a few times first
Becoming an enforcer, I mean. I figured Triad became scumbags for a moment but that wouldn't make any sense


No, that s impossible. I softclaimed citizen D1.
And yeah, I get that, but who wouldn't? Every role wants things to point to being a citizen unless you're jester. I don't think you hardclaimed until later

[Hybrid]

Wait, what are you talking about? The question is whether Scv would have still visited but not checked even with an audit. By my logic becoming a cit would imply not visiting but it might not be so

And I'm not going to vote so soon, I think we should at least hear from Unknown a few times first

Imo, it s definietly not you or scvmurderer REASONS:
Xramza: You have been doing a lot of (that s one of the reasons why i wanted to lynch mrtrophy instead of you btw) Scum reads and town reads with including RLVG as a suspect
I think I've made the executive decision to sleep for a hot minute.

I would like to hear from
RLVG
mrtrophywife
Otakudweeb69

Hopefully that formatted right.
Big boy analysis coming at you tonight.

[Also who is Zeratul? The guy with the Zeratul avi? Or am I missing something?]

also there is that wall post u ve made that basicly started the train on MM, after that night he was killed in order to frame me with that "he wants to be off suspicous obv scum omfg" hat

Loading the scum-meter

Yes I'll be using red, not dark blue/purple, bc Triad setups are for scoundrels.

Dr Unknown: God. Call it a hunch, but, being someone entirely new, he seems to genuinely try to be helping. I cannot shake the feeling that this dude is the purest of man.





He's coming into the game and actively talking through his thought process. I can't help but feel that someone with this personality would be much more reserved coming into a scum role. I'm usually infinitely paranoid about this kind of play, but I think by day 2 or the end of today even, he'll have warmed up and become an asset.

Player: #201, 224, 230 were quality posts, and since then he's been providing some quality commentary. Like a 80% for me. #440 I realize now said what I said before I did, #443 shows to me that they seem to have the exact same standpoint as I do on a lot of people Which is of course a town standpoint. The very name of this person makes them a bitch to search for post-wise, but I think my initial impression stands, Player will certainly not be a lynch as it stands.

SuperJack: I appreciate this person's presence. A voice of reason, surely. They actively make callouts and reaction test, and, honestly, everyone seems to be piggybacking. There's still a decent possibility that this could be scum, but I have severe doubt, as it's been shown several times that they pull through in areas that they didn't need to at all. (Even if, in a game with moderate-low skill players, it would be a veritable free highway for scum getting townpoints) Like an 80% again.

TDL | MM: This is one of the most telling exchanges in the game, I think. I was immensely impressed with TDL's rundown, but, shockingly, even more impressed with MM's defense. Hybrid's play seems to be a more extreme version of MM, but MM does -seem- to be putting through the effort even if incredibly defensive. TDL is kind of a 60/40 for me. I don't know how he typically plays, my only experience with him being long ago with him being a hyperractive cit. He's attacking and then retreating, basically. I appreciate the work put into his long post, but a lot of what he calls out seems to be a little forced. Looking to hear his second analysis.

Trophywife: Hard to gather information on. Makes pertinent but incomplete comments much of the time, #544 was helpful, I like the way he presents his reads but, overall, no real new information was brought to light even there. I find it interesting that Otaku is at the top of his list.

Otaku: This guy is going to take me some time to gather a real conclusion on. I think his statements in 526-528 are legitimate, though I obviously think that putting MM a townread and Scv a scumread is a mistake. Also kind of weird that he calls me out for "lurker hunting" and then proceeds to do the same in his very next post, but with only one of the two lurkers he named (TDL and Trophy).

RLVG: Don't know the severity of his problem, forced to give him the benefit of the doubt, really. In the (two?) posts he's made he's said nothing disagreeable but nothing revolutionary. I feel like the guy doesn't play any side of the game being this inactive intentionally.

Mesk: I saved this one for last writing this because I genuinely had no idea what to write. After reading over the entire game a good 4 more times at this point I realize that this (woman? I think) SCREAMS neutral evil to me. The left-of-field statements, the lover tangent, the now submitting to the easy Scv vote... It all seems weird to me.

Hybrid: Honestly, any reads into this guy pretty much become null if you look into his gameplay as a whole. If this guy didn't apparently have a reputation for it, I would wholesale pin this guy as a jester, but, as Otaku stated, scum can easily hide under a benign visage. I want to have some semblance of a belief that this guy is town but... His calmer posts seem to be reactionary, and his chaotic shitposting has done nothing to progress anything as of yet. I am actually getting the impression more and more that he could be an exe trying to capitalize on Scv's experience level. This being said, I still submit to Scv being a decent lynch.

MM: MM is on this list twice, because I now have two conflicting thoughts about him. I had a slight scumread on him in an earlier post, and upon closer examination, there are some weirder things. He seems to very strangely not interact with Scv to any large extent, but makes efforts to try and acknowledge him so it doesn't entirely seem like they're just spawning the same viewpoint. I would not be too surprised if the scum team was MM + Scv, but I hold my belief that the game is regrettably not that simple.

Scv: I wanted to give this guy the Unknown treatment, but I just can't. There's so much going against this man. Very very quick to assault and retaliate, speaks in very short phrases that seem to try and leave no room for anyone to analyse him in return.

(Bonus conspiracy round, AKA, the the left-of-field funhouse. The Triad pair, specifically, could be SJ and Mesk- reading over their posts again has left this as a recurring passing thought to me. Their interactions seem weird, and Mesk never really gets defensive at all against Sj.)

There's all my thoughts, I think. I've done so much viewing of this game while not at home that I haven't actually kept a separate notes document. Rereading over what I've wrote, I still have a lot of improvement to go. Overall, I think my vote's going to land here.

Marshmallow Marshall

I think our main focus is misplaced.


BUT! He still has a lot of posts suspicous like this one
Right. I appreciate your analysis, Otaku, I'll quickly readdress the three you asked me about. Looking back there is indeed some more to be said.

trophywife - I think my opinion on him will quickly flip to him being scum if Hybrid or Scv aren't flipping scum. I also think, after taking a look at the day over last night, that I am indeed dismissing him too easily. I don't think I'd be opposed to a lynch on him as much as I was d1 simply because I realize he may be intentionally just giving us hard to read crumbs - general, agreeable statements.

Unknown - So while I was writing my reads list I just had this man and Mesk left. I had already put like six people under potential scum, and so, paired with my impression on him, I didn't see any room at all for him to be in any scum category. He's had posts similar to trophywife but different - no deflection, no instant rescinding of any disagreement, just statements that try to be good and stay there. I don't think i should have put him at 100% town indeed, and I think I should have, and do now, group him with trophywife in regards to reads even if still more town-sided than the latter.

Otaku - I retain the statement, though I don't remember if I said it outright, that you are the hardest to read in the game. Particularly because of your sporadic posting patterns and utter lack of back-and-forths as well as (I think? I don't recall and i can't go back and check now) lack of voting. This could be intentional and I could indeed go out and pin you as scum but I manage to submit to the belief that you are indeed a town that is having struggles with participation, especially given, again, the large amount of possible scum I had in my mind before I even began to consider you.

Oh, yeah, also

TDL - I think this requires a little clarification, because TDL is throwing me for a loop as well. He's the only person I have even a remote reference to on how he's previously played, and it just seems to not match up with anything I had an impression of, especially since he's apparently been away for a while. So I really just went off of what I saw, and the one big bit of contribution he put out seemed forced and lacking, but was on the same person I had pinned in my head. I also am remiss to say it but the vig claim just seems... Wrong. I dunno. He only spoke up against lynching when the pressure already began and that raised a red flag, doubly now that MM flipped a non-mafia role.

Sorry if this is all in run on thoughts or pieced together assessments. Am on mobile but felt that this deserved a proper reply.

but it might be on pure observation which mde me lynch mrtrophy instead xramza

so basicly atm i think u r town tho yesterday sj played me again and the day before that... Omfg sj i will fucking murder you in next fmes if i were to get vigi/jailor/vet

Scvmurderer: tbh, he s been just joining the trains with the lead that s been given by the starter of the trains. can t find the fucking proof of the quote cause searching system of forum is fuxed

Dr unknown on the other hand just covered with the mask of being noob which s suspicous and all he did was to join train. Tho he joined to Nawa's. Tho he still might have the presence of being town. Xramza's act of putting rlvgh on his list would ve been just a off attention thing which s not i think tbh.


Welp in this post i havent talked about myself much but will brb

[Hybrid]

Becoming an enforcer, I mean. I figured Triad became scumbags for a moment but that wouldn't make any sense


And yeah, I get that, but who wouldn't? Every role wants things to point to being a citizen unless you're jester. I don't think you hardclaimed until later

People saw the Neutral Benign "not on consicous" claims on more ihgh of on the ladder. Tho i only claimed this once to just to confirm i m citizen on later on without claiming 2nd time.

[xramza]

so basicly atm i think u r town tho yesterday sj played me again and the day before that... Omfg sj i will fucking murder you in next fmes if i were to get vigi/jailor/vet
HOho, perhaps he played you so much that you killed him?

I'm also really curious as to what you found particularly townie/scum in those posts aside from the mention of RLVG, but that's probably tedious to explain.

The statement on Unknown is alright, we still really don't have much to go on at all and maybe such a mask is there. And for now I think we can for the most part dismiss Scv being scum, but the possibility isn't entirely out until the host replies

[xramza]

And looking back at that wall post now. I'm going to feel really, really bad if my only 100% town read in history was wrong

[Hybrid]

Welp, now starting off with my intentions about the D1 that i was trying to:
First of all it might say i m a veteran member but i ve only played it thrice or frice unlikely to sj which has played a lot, so my inention on this day was to see if sj will pushm e or not which he did. Tbh, i'd want his off if he were to be overextend but i forgot the fact that he has played this game more than me so...
2nd intention of my D1:
I wanted to check out if a scum would want my easy lynch that early on which MM confirmed also there s that quote as well afrom darkness:

I still hold my position, hybrid is acting weird, mesk isn't replying, AND he is also weird.
Both also have 0 usefulness. My vote would be one of them, but I haven't decided yet and
I cant read that deeply 😅, this is my first game outside the mod

these both are utterly contradicting each other with saying "i can t that deeply" and "hybrid is acting weird" why would he say hybrid is acting weird since he can't really read deep? I mean the reason why i was acting weird was MM and Scv's push. If he at least has a proper reading and writing skills he d understand that perfectly.

Day 2 Intention:
My goal was to get off scene by shit posting and get away from the attention i ve been having after exe's kill. Now you might say "THAT S THE REASON WHY YOU KILLED MM" actually no, i would ve killed SJ or TDL at that point. Since i know that i m scum i d be more frightened about a fact being vigilante in the game, and you know SJ i ve explainerd about him much so far i think...
Welp let s get back to topic after getting off attention i just wanted to read how people will act but in the end couldn2t just be silent <.< so i think i d be get sshot by tdl tbh so i didn't mind it that much.

Day 3 Intention:
Now this is where i try to get serious while we only have afks and noobs around us. I just could do one thing and that was to examine past posts... And by mrtrophy's scummy behaviour (GO FUCKING READ HIS POSTS IT S NOT HARD "SEARCH FORUM→GO ADVANCED→EXACT NAME + mrtrophywife) i d rather to lynch trophy in the end. Which he was marshall, i wish i had the lead on xramza... Or mr trophy to reveal that time...
And that s it. now i m trying to get my self to safety.

[Scvmurderer]

And looking back at that wall post now. I'm going to feel really, really bad if my only 100% town read in history was wrong

Feel bad ya scum. Now lynch hybrid or unknown, i dont care which

[Hybrid]

HOho, perhaps he played you so much that you killed him?

I'm also really curious as to what you found particularly townie/scum in those posts aside from the mention of RLVG, but that's probably tedious to explain.

The statement on Unknown is alright, we still really don't have much to go on at all and maybe such a mask is there. And for now I think we can for the most part dismiss Scv being scum, but the possibility isn't entirely out until the host replies

I SEARCH SO FAR I DIDN'T TAKE NOTES. NEXT FM I LL TAKE NOTES I SWEAR! ON IMPORTANT QUOTES

[Hybrid]

Feel bad ya scum. Now lynch hybrid or unknown, i dont care which

feel bad ya scum=xramza
lynch hybrid unknown= scum

lol everyone except you is scum k

[Hybrid]

I SEARCH SO FAR I DIDN'T TAKE NOTES. NEXT FM I LL TAKE NOTES I SWEAR! ON IMPORTANT QUOTES

Edit= *hard not far

[Scvmurderer]

I SEARCH SO FAR I DIDN'T TAKE NOTES. NEXT FM I LL TAKE NOTES I SWEAR! ON IMPORTANT QUOTES

Excuses excuses

[Hybrid]

tbh, xramza it s all upto you. I m sure 100% that scvmurderer is town. So me or dr unknown one of us u will choose to lynch. I m making a wall post about my read on yo btw

[xramza]

feel bad ya scum=xramza
lynch hybrid unknown= scum

lol everyone except you is scum k
In this utter meme of a game, Scv is my favorite meme. But I can't in my good conscious lynch him because, yknow, he's the only one we have any mechanical reason to believe isn't a scum. The game could just be over right now with all of us voting Unknown because we all seem to agree on him, but I do want to hear from him. Last time we tried to lynch someone who wasn't here he was the marshall, lmao

[Hybrid]

In this utter meme of a game, Scv is my favorite meme. But I can't in my good conscious lynch him because, yknow, he's the only one we have any mechanical reason to believe isn't a scum. The game could just be over right now with all of us voting Unknown because we all seem to agree on him, but I do want to hear from him. Last time we tried to lynch someone who wasn't here he was the marshall, lmao

HE WAS THERE
he didn't reveal at all. that s his fault. I'd reveal there even if there were to be judge (on post)

[Hybrid]

Man there are a lot of quotes i want to answer with 1 answer... I just wanna ss them...

[Hybrid]

Anyways will pick the most imp ones

[Hybrid]

Also the "That d1 was bad" statement could not be more true, I think?

By the time the first half of the day passes we're going to have a lot of information. After we change our reads and lynch circle accordingly I think it might not be the worst day for a town govt. to reveal considering we've made it here with the entire town alive.

Benign flipping so early makes me have to reevaluate my Hybrid position. Initial settlement, weighing with all of my other reads, leaves me to default him to a very scummy town member.

Looking for TDL to talk again, of course, and Player has raised some points regarding trophywife, someone I hadn't looked at to so great an extent.

Other than these few initial statements, I'll be off for around two hours.

Also Hybrid not trying to frame. Moreso considering that TK (tdl?) may have acted
Those 2 quotes were different from the other blamements that has been made to me in D1 and D2. He is not straightfoward giving his opinions to us but he s thinknig of other possiblities even they are not seeming likely so that he s considering everything twice without saying.
There are just way too many quotes that supports that idea. The reason why i was thinking you were to be judge was your all-so-considered acts as in this. I didn't want to reveal that at that point which is useless but will make you confirmed town as well as why i think you as confirmed town.Try to think like you are judge. Wouldn't you just try to be as towny as you can by any means necessary? Like even if you have to scum hunt the triad? So that s the all the reason why i assumed u were to be judge.


Hello, I get to pop in for the day.

Looks like every single big scumread I had has been shot down unless Scv/Mesk = mafia but this seems incredibly dumb when town still has one ML absolute minimum this game.

Nawa

I'm fine with this. Not like we have much to go off of but what we do have to go off of hasn't been amazing. Inactive cit claims are the scummiest and wouldn't be helpful even if town.


cant quote the quote

The man is either off his rocker for the moment or just a really bad scum. V weird.

And I did have the SJ/Mesk theory D1 that was never acknowledged. It seems weird but I wouldn't mind seeing either of them being lynched even if I have gutread SJ town all game. My lynch list is absurdly long now. Not healthy. Will stick with Nawa for the moment.


now those quotes were not to be interesting and seem to be a "pathetic move" in your sight as well. Well let me explain what i meant. As i did say my opinions about xramza in this day's first opinion posts i've been remembering his actions (not a lot of them the seirous ones) that would make him a conf town that is too much conf town that makes you have the possiblity of being judge.
In this quotes, xramza giving a not-so-solid but reasonable reason to why to vote nawa. since i think it s enough imo i ve checked further things he stood by his opinion. So it s very hardly to him to be triad atm. He caused his own dh to be lynched if he were to be rtiad.


Could make more but tired.

[Hybrid]

Also, in scvmurderer case, he was only been sheeping the whole game. Even with his votes so that makes him hardly a evil imo. Well if it snot you, it s not me, it s not scvmurderer then it has to be dr unknown right?

dr unknown

[Hybrid]

Oh well, it s the end of my try hards. Imo lynch dr unknown that s it. xramza and scvmurd are conf town imo so.

welp anyways see ya will sleep now 3:10 am now geez.

[Hybrid]

Anwya, if you were to lynch me i wanna get killed by mod with quoting my own pm lul it d be much more memey that suits the game atm x)

[xramza]

I'm sleeping soon and I might not be here at all tommorow.

Scvmurderer
Dr Unknown

I summon thee to talk out your problems.

[Scvmurderer]

I'm sleeping soon and I might not be here at all tommorow.

Scvmurderer
Dr Unknown

I summon thee to talk out your problems.

What problems. I've haunt interacted with unknown all game but I know it's him or hybrid. Now choose

[xramza]

What problems. I've haunt interacted with unknown all game but I know it's him or hybrid. Now choose
Are you telling me to choose who to kill? I think Hybrid's at least doing a decent job proving his thought process and I don't even expect to hear from Unknown at all. Even if I told you hybrid I doubt I'd be here to hammer him after the week passes that Unknown comes around, so if you're asking me, Unknown is the finest lynch we can probably get. My suspicion is still not entirely off of you yet, though, and I still kind of want him to come around sometime.

[Scvmurderer]

Are you telling me to choose who to kill? I think Hybrid's at least doing a decent job proving his thought process and I don't even expect to hear from Unknown at all. Even if I told you hybrid I doubt I'd be here to hammer him after the week passes that Unknown comes around, so if you're asking me, Unknown is the finest lynch we can probably get. My suspicion is still not entirely off of you yet, though, and I still kind of want him to come around sometime.

Sounds like you've made up your mind.

Dr unknown

[xramza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtBds7PbLBo

Dr Unknown

[The Godfather]

Dr Unknown has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Dr Unknown ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/30152') (3 [L-0]): Scvmurderer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697537'), Hybrid ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697529'), xramza ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=697539')

[Gyrlander]

The Triad Won

Congratulations to xramza & Nawa

Roles:

Hybrid - Citizen
SuperJack - Auditor
RLVG / Nawa - Dragon Head
xramza - Forger
Scvmurderer - Citizen
PIayer - Citizen
mrtrophywife - Marshall
Marshmallow Marshall - Executioner
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout
Mesk514 - Detective
Dr Unknown - Citizen
TheDarkestLight - Vigilante

Relevant Night Actions:

Night One:

SJ - Skip NA
Nawa - Kill MM
xramza - Frame Player
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout on SJ
Mesk514 - Follow scvmurderer

Night Two:

SJ - Audit Mesk
xramza - Kill Mesk
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout on Mesk
TheDarkestLight - Kill Otakudweeb69
Mesk514 - Follow mrtrophywife

(This night was amazing, xramza prevented town from knowing there was an auditor killing the victim and if it wasn't for the Vigilante shooting the Lookout the game would have been basically over lol.)


Quite sad SJ didn't win in the end. I feel he played really well, and somehow made town think there was a Judge so mrtrophywife couldn't reveal. If he had done so, I feel this game town would have won. Also, congratulations to xramza for winning after his Dragon Head being replaced and the new one dying instantly.

[Gyrlander]

Hybrid
SuperJack
RLVG
Nawa
xramza
Scvmurderer
PIayer
mrtrophywife
Marshmallow Marshall
Otakudweeb69
Mesk514
Dr Unknown
TheDarkestLight

Thanks everyone for playing and hope you had fun! ^^

[xramza]

Oh jesus.

Turns out TDL was the scum MVP the whole time.

Sorry SJ, I didn't see a situation where
A) A neutral evil would call me out on the benign thing day 1 and
B) A neutral evil would instantly put a vote on someone claiming triad when everyone thought a judge was in the game

So It 100% felt like a guaranteed town kill. Would have wished to see you win. GG all. Wonder why Nawa decided to kill MM. I never heard from him in night chat and I was gonna kill otaku

[xramza]

Who was MM's target? Hybrid?

[Fury]

Um... you all didn't even give unknown a chance to get back in. You fucking idiots. He even was the only one to not lynch player.

[Fury]

Once again, I am glad I don't actively participate in FM xD

[Mesk514]

By knowing trophy action I was going to push xramza. GG nubs, especially to the nubs who said i townread SJ... which was not the case at all.

[PIayer]

Well, that first attempt at scumhunting went not so great XD.

D3 daychat was so bad + we losing Gvt + TDL, I felt outplayed at this point, needed to do something. I genuinely thought town lose if scum stalemate D4 daychat. Worst case scenario, I was actually lynched and at least would die like a G, not just a :sheep: daychat-respecting good Citizen. But it wasn't throw, from my pov I really had the odds to do this.
Also if it actually worked, court called without me wouldn't been that bad of an outcome for town, granted the only confirmed town for me was me. It's all like xramza said, would be the last shot to lynch scum at this point, he's also the only one who said something about it being done so early day, and also with Gyr offline, both being hints of a town play from me (too bad he didn't also pointed out Judge WASN'T confirmed).
Obv could also just be noob mafia play, SJ says he's respecting me but on the other hand he prefered to believe that version over the naive-yet-genuine attempt at helping town. Me now sad/convinced he's scum

Overall feeling: Wouldn't do it again this way, but I still believe this play was not that terrible despite the outcome.


This is a scum claim, depending on a Judge to call court for an easy win. (If Judge does exist, if not then LOL)
This may seem as a loss, but here is the solution.

Judge call requires Host to be online, Gyrlander is currently sleeping which means if we can lynch piayer before the host gets a message from a Judge, thats one free scum kill.

SO EVERYONE VOTE
-vote piayer

OH DARLING i got SO much Sith Lord vibe first reading this (too bad I was dead already gg). I actually didn't consider you'd pull an Excel with claimed up/downtime of people ^^. *+ bonus xp*

Considering my own claims on meta, you should have catched I wouldn't being able to defend myself/vote here, I was at work in cleanroom no phone allowed and an Excel nerd would know my uptime pattern already. I actually consideras early day and judge was not actually 100% confirmed at all like reasonable town should have remember.
So imo from town pov your "asap panic!" reaction was as just as stupid as this gambit (actually this was a mail called Gambit_d4, just had like 2mn to refresh for night recap and copy/paste it as I believed the earlier the better for this move. If no work I would have synchro first-post it.
Actually xramza was the only one here who paid attention about what I said (cmon, GGWP in red full font size did the trick, really guys? knew town was desperate for clues but not THAT desperate, pls, I told Town how I intended to play from D1, seems only xramza saw this)


Problem lies if you are the Evil role, trying to persuade me and the others to sit back and hope it's not true.
I believe piayer is intelligent enough not to try to pull off some stupid gambit like this, we have plenty of information to scum hunt now and definitely don't need to rely on an off change that the neutral evil is a judge that believes his play.

Also if you believed his gambit you would definitely not of done the same to add to the confusion, you would of waitied to see if the action took place.

I'm so sure you were the mastermind scum at this point. Why don't share that "plenty of information" earlier, why "proscratinate" on townlead and leave daychat to Hyb/Scv playstyle 'til now, why panic people when you are indeed "intelligent enough" to know raw statistics for Judge to not be 100% confirmed boldredmaxfontsize AT ALL. Also panic just killed Marshall, objective town needed to stop panic and start brainstorming at this point, still your first reaction is to maximize panic momentum. Granted your Excel on Gyrlander on me you could have used some of that time to scumhunt instead.
Also, if I was indeed confirmed town and you actually believed the judge confirmed bs (which I don't believe at all but who knows), and the "I'll procrastinate this noob game from now on" stance was actually real, as town why not mind to least give me a chance to say smth on l-1 given your Excel. You know I'd happily vote Hybrid if only I survived few hours, when I read his "vote asap" about me I just finished work and actually LMAO in front of my coworkers. They didn't get it.

Hybrid please teach me how to be that scummy without ever being lynched <3
Accentuating panic at this time served scum agenda more than town, SJ your D1 town cred really carried you during the whole game, I maintain it was very well done. +xp



Prelude/*Getting facts right.*Everything we build, we build on what we do know for sure. Don't forget about the setup please. Jester is a possibility. Jailor is a possibility. Vet is a possibility. And so on. We know little, and there is a TON of interpretation & mindgames going on, but it helps to stick to what we DO know.*
This was from day 1

Premise 3: Judge is not 100% confirmed
This was from #1303

The way I saw it after Marshall flip: TDL will die 100%, then it's either court time and town have to contribute on the judge-mindfuck-gamble, or it's not and it's just forever-scummy-deception-filled daychat, against which citizens (and reason itself) will have almost no chance vs scum, granting their reliance on daychat and the confirmation of a cautious witch/auditor somewhere playing chaos as his win condition.
If court had been actually called, I believed my play has equity for town as ramza said. It may be obvious to experienced players and deceiving for new players but that's the best I could come with at this point given the daychat constant drop in quality and general lack of town lead (in part thanks to confirmed people afk'ing, but the whole town is guilty of it at this point)
Last thing, as we were ridiculously left as 6 implicit citizen claims and 4 tpr in graveyard, I thought only this kind of play could give fresh insights to town. Me being good-guy me just wouldn't have been enough at this point. Now I can't but hope there is no judge and they lynch SJ. SJ said there was plenty of information to scumhunt but this D4 imo you must be scum to have any perfect information about what's going on.

This was written during N4, for fun my guesses so far are SJ Maf and Hybrid>SCV>else Auditor>Witch>Judge

Tl;dr: No throw but a gamble that didn't paid. It may or may not mean it was the wrong thing to do from my perspective, please feel free to criticize to give me + xp.


/edit game's finished

Rofl GG xramza, the only scum slip I really saw was about my "judge confirmed" bs you conforted instead of questioning it. And you voting me w/o waiting for my defense, when you were the one to point out my move was more towny than scummy.
Still, you deceived everyone in the end so you deserve /mvp for overall acting the most towny of all scum (more than SJ apart from D1 imo) <3

Also the tooscumtoscum scv/Hybrid playstyle may be good for their own meta but I still believe it hurted the town in the long run, will remember that for my next game =D and them being citz in the end won't change my mind on this.

+xp gain

also 10/10 would play again

[xramza]

One day I'll roll citizen. I enjoyed your play, player. I genuinely thought there had to be a judge so I might have jumped on your lynch even if I was town. I've played 6 games and been scum every time. Great days

[mrtrophywife]

Such an interesting game. Thanks everyone for playing. The lynch on me was too fast lol I didn’t have time to reveal

[Dr Unknown]

You people. So night starts past 12 am my time, and you kill me before 3 am. Nice.
I wouldn't have thought of xrazma tbh, but SCV was looking so scummy as hell, yet wasnt put to the trial. Weird.
Same with hybrid, man, that strategy looks like game throwing, even after reading your 3 day reasoning, cant say.that it is useful 😂😂😂

[TheDarkestLight]

Everyone blaming the loss on me.

Yeah, I was inactive, but compared to some other plays this game?

Otaku practically screamed scum. Not voting the GF, insisting we didn't vote Nawa and instead ask me to waste a shot on him? Tell me how that doesn't scream scum.
Marshall not revealing and not even claiming.
And PIayer shouldn't say shit after his terrible play to claim Judge. You might see the math in it, but I don't. Admittedly, the only good thing you got out of it was xramza claiming, but in the end that didn't help at all. Besides, if it had been a real Judge, you would have been boned without a fast lynch, which just so happened to be on you.
Because even though he claimed people weren't at all willing to look at him suspiciously. -.- They just jumped on Unknown.
And you guys were at MYLO. At the very least you could have waited a day to make the 1/4 chance a 1/3 by forcing him to kill someone.

[PIayer]

I don't blame you for our loss TDL really, if you speak about my yolo post it was purely said to gather scum cred.

Yh your play was bad, but so was mine ("shit I said" is just my thought process about it hoping for criticism, but before was bad also), Trophy's, heck even SCV & Hybrid plays were bad afterall. I'm not here to throw potatoes on you, rusty Vig, I know I'm the noob here <3

[Hybrid]

First was fucking confusex the whole game
Second I m fucking bad at being town in FM since i m inexperienced (played only 4 times) i only can survive the lynches... Welp anyway lessons learned.

Also this could ve gone way different if marshall to reveal 😞

[Hybrid]

I played like a dumb sheep after all
Even though i knew piayer was tricking
Ev en though i suspected xramza
Even though in early game SJ was suspicous ytf i didn t think otherwise... Welp this game was %70 my fault

[PIayer]

I played like a dumb sheep after all
Even though i knew piayer was tricking
Ev en though i suspected xramza
Even though in early game SJ was suspicous ytf i didn t think otherwise... Welp this game was %70 my fault

Well, at least you actually scumhunted and were null read enough to develop meaningful interactions with people 'til the end. You were a bit too enthusiast on trains and not enough on tempoing yh, but you still did an okay job as Cit ('til the part you turbo lynched me :> but I blame myself before you on this)

While I believe I did it wrong right from the start, and I became so townie at one point, it's like TDL said, even the biggest scum claim with the biggest red font size wasn't believeable at this point (actually just believeable enough to get me turbolynched lol)
Understood during this game why it is actually important to not be TOO townread by people; through his flattery xramza was quietly setting up his lylo with me lol
Other big mistake of me: I basically townread xramza whole game just because he was one of the few having a non-antitown behaviour. I've not pressured him at all, like, ever D=
Also, I did big lists which were pointless for the most part and actually could be considered scummy (otaku point on me about townhunting was actually true, I first saw townhunt & scumhunt of equal importance when D1 it was obviously silly) by objective, experienced town
I don't even speak about the Enforcer claim lol, indeed it was a terrible gamble. But I feel, still, somewhat forced by the terrible image I had built before this.

So we can blame ourselves Hybrid but not too much, minus Mesk the whole town sucked this game. We just each sucked in our own way ^^. So share some of your 70% with us suckers.

Actually, wanted to congratulate Dr Unknown on this matter, I believe overall you did a better play than me, considering we had the same fm level (= 0), just too bad you weren't here for the last critical part (Hyb/SCV didn't wait for you tbh) but still, that's more relevant to schedule than gameplay. So congratz from another noob ^^ you were definitely NOT the worst Citizen of the game. Also you were right to stay on SCV/Hybrid if that's how your heart felt; the result doesn't matter here, I believe your stance on them was more coherent than mine. And if we actually pressed them enough to improve their behavior, maybe the outcome would've been different.

But doesn't matter now, I feel Scum overall just played better, SJ playing chaos was a nice to see (had that strange boner when my lynch happened), xramza played very good considering how early his DH died and knew how to abuse the anti-town daychat saturation to stay townie just enough. Too much bs in daychat to do serious sliphunt on him (or whoever for that matter). So I'm not sick of this lose, it feels like it was deserved.


/lastwallever

Now will lurk games & farm through scummafia wiki again to try to be better next game :love:

[Hybrid]

Well, at least you actually scumhunted and were null read enough to develop meaningful interactions with people 'til the end. You were a bit too enthusiast on trains and not enough on tempoing yh, but you still did an okay job as Cit ('til the part you turbo lynched me :> but I blame myself before you on this)

While I believe I did it wrong right from the start, and I became so townie at one point, it's like TDL said, even the biggest scum claim with the biggest red font size wasn't believeable at this point (actually just believeable enough to get me turbolynched lol)
Understood during this game why it is actually important to not be TOO townread by people; through his flattery xramza was quietly setting up his lylo with me lol
Other big mistake of me: I basically townread xramza whole game just because he was one of the few having a non-antitown behaviour. I've not pressured him at all, like, ever D=
Also, I did big lists which were pointless for the most part and actually could be considered scummy (otaku point on me about townhunting was actually true, I first saw townhunt & scumhunt of equal importance when D1 it was obviously silly) by objective, experienced town
I don't even speak about the Enforcer claim lol, indeed it was a terrible gamble. But I feel, still, somewhat forced by the terrible image I had built before this.

So we can blame ourselves Hybrid but not too much, minus Mesk the whole town sucked this game. We just each sucked in our own way ^^. So share some of your 70% with us suckers.

Actually, wanted to congratulate Dr Unknown on this matter, I believe overall you did a better play than me, considering we had the same fm level (= 0), just too bad you weren't here for the last critical part (Hyb/SCV didn't wait for you tbh) but still, that's more relevant to schedule than gameplay. So congratz from another noob ^^ you were definitely NOT the worst Citizen of the game. Also you were right to stay on SCV/Hybrid if that's how your heart felt; the result doesn't matter here, I believe your stance on them was more coherent than mine. And if we actually pressed them enough to improve their behavior, maybe the outcome would've been different.

But doesn't matter now, I feel Scum overall just played better, SJ playing chaos was a nice to see (had that strange boner when my lynch happened), xramza played very good considering how early his DH died and knew how to abuse the anti-town daychat saturation to stay townie just enough. Too much bs in daychat to do serious sliphunt on him (or whoever for that matter). So I'm not sick of this lose, it feels like it was deserved.


/lastwallever

Now will lurk games & farm through scummafia wiki again to try to be better next game :love:

Check on stay classy game, other games i in are bad and i got killed/lynched d1 n1

[PIayer]

I will. Already launched Black Flag Nightless on your advice ig tho. So far I had odd pleasure seeing SJ early l-1 =p

[SuperJack]

Oh jesus.

Turns out TDL was the scum MVP the whole time.

Sorry SJ, I didn't see a situation where
A) A neutral evil would call me out on the benign thing day 1 and
B) A neutral evil would instantly put a vote on someone claiming triad when everyone thought a judge was in the game

So It 100% felt like a guaranteed town kill. Would have wished to see you win. GG all. Wonder why Nawa decided to kill MM. I never heard from him in night chat and I was gonna kill otaku

I votes player because it was an obvious gambit from a townie lol. I thought you saw that.

[Hybrid]

I votes player because it was an obvious gambit from a townie lol. I thought you saw that.

next time if i werew to get town killing i d kill you first in any suspicous sign u ve made got it?

[Otakudweeb69]

Everyone blaming the loss on me.

Yeah, I was inactive, but compared to some other plays this game?

Otaku practically screamed scum. Not voting the GF, insisting we didn't vote Nawa and instead ask me to waste a shot on him? Tell me how that doesn't scream scum.
Marshall not revealing and not even claiming.
And PIayer shouldn't say shit after his terrible play to claim Judge. You might see the math in it, but I don't. Admittedly, the only good thing you got out of it was xramza claiming, but in the end that didn't help at all. Besides, if it had been a real Judge, you would have been boned without a fast lynch, which just so happened to be on you.
Because even though he claimed people weren't at all willing to look at him suspiciously. -.- They just jumped on Unknown.
And you guys were at MYLO. At the very least you could have waited a day to make the 1/4 chance a 1/3 by forcing him to kill someone.

I setup spec'd too hard, trying to clear TDL's name; I figured "we got our scum, we can get a confirmed townie out of this too" but immunity completely slipped my mind. Apologies for that ;~;

Holy shoot lol I would've caugh both the auditor and the Team scum that night aha

Sorry again for a bad play ;~;

[Otakudweeb69]

If you want meta on me, if I setup spec like that it's often because I'm TPR that can do those actions myself; like "I can prove myself and another town" stuff; if I were scum I'd have bussed the shit or of nawa

Grats xramza on your win, it sucks SJ didn't get the win in the end for his good plays; he's one of those players that the longer he's alive for the more likely he is scum

Gg again ^~^ if you're not too pissed at me id love to play another game

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Btw I'm sorry Hybrid for that tunneling... It was hard to do that for many hours xD

You should've kept me alive townies, I could have saved you all... *dies*

[Iced_Monopoly]

Good game all. Ladder will be updated later today