M-FM Fringe: Alternate Universe

[Forum Mafia GM]

Welcome to the Rest of D1!

Living Players:
1. M-FM Kyokokirigiri
2. M-FM Yes
3. M-FM Zealot
4. M-FM Zynonymous
5. M-FM Almost Late
6. AnassRhamur
7. M-FM Cruise Elroy
8. M-FM Kool-Aid
9. M-FM Marksman

[Forum Mafia GM]

Let the day resume!
01:23:00:00

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Pac-Man disappeared while I was hunting him! Clearly, he's been moved to the other universe...the only way I can catch him NOW is to survive until the universes remerge and THEN I'll find him!

[M-FM Zealot]

Walternate! We need you!!!

[M-FM Marksman]

Welcome to the Rest of D1!

Living Players:
1. M-FM Kyokokirigiri
2. M-FM Yes
3. M-FM Zealot
4. M-FM Zynonymous
5. M-FM Almost Late
6. AnassRhamur
7. M-FM Cruise Elroy
8. M-FM Kool-Aid
9. M-FM Marksman


Oh god. This is possibly the worst combination of people to have in a single universe. Ugh.

Let's see, we have...

1. Kyoko Kirigiri- AKA the random voter and setup ignore-er that started it all...
2. Yes- probably my #1 scum read right now.
3. Zealot- my #1 discredit-er
4. Zynonymous- Probably the best person on this list so far. Which isn't saying much since I have a null read on him. It's mostly just a low bar set by the first 3.
5. Almost Late- Has 4 posts to his name, none of which have been particularly insightful.
6. AnassRhamur- Has posted exactly once to say "-notafk". Yeah.
7. Cruise Elroy- Won't shut up about Pacman. We get it, your account name is an obscure Pacman reference. Woop-dee-fucking-doo
8. Kool-Aid- Almost exclusively shitposts with a couple of newbie questions mixed in.
9. Marksman- Me. The bastion of sanity in this hellhole of a universe.

[M-FM Yes]

HeyGuys

[M-FM Yes]

HeyGuys

[M-FM Yes]

Kappa

[M-FM Almost Late]

Ugh this website is shitting itself, last post got deleted. Alright so finally found the universe. 2 or 3 of the people here are scum. Looking at the list i'm going to guess 3.

What i didn't expect and suprises me is that we can't see anything of the other universe at all. We can't see their chat , their votes, who died. I thought we would have acces to the thread. We should have tried to form a strategy before we split.

This also makes this game a whole lot harder considering scum can talk with each other 24/7 and report. So they know how the votes are going on the other side and try to sway if needed. And with the posts so far i think this is the hardest universe.

Yes why are you spending your time posting shitty emoticons, instead of being productive ?

M-FM Yes

[M-FM Zealot]

Neither me nor Cruise Elroy posted anything productive, so why Yes over one of us?

[M-FM Zealot]

Also Marksman literally posted a wall post whining about who is in thia universe with him

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Oh god. This is possibly the worst combination of people to have in a single universe. Ugh.

Let's see, we have...

1. Kyoko Kirigiri- AKA the random voter and setup ignore-er that started it all...
2. Yes- probably my #1 scum read right now.
3. Zealot- my #1 discredit-er
4. Zynonymous- Probably the best person on this list so far. Which isn't saying much since I have a null read on him. It's mostly just a low bar set by the first 3.
5. Almost Late- Has 4 posts to his name, none of which have been particularly insightful.
6. AnassRhamur- Has posted exactly once to say "-notafk". Yeah.
7. Cruise Elroy- Won't shut up about Pacman. We get it, your account name is an obscure Pacman reference. Woop-dee-fucking-doo
8. Kool-Aid- Almost exclusively shitposts with a couple of newbie questions mixed in.
9. Marksman- Me. The bastion of sanity in this hellhole of a universe.

I'm going to agree with Zealot to be honest, a lot of what you say comes out negative or as if you feel superior to others which is as normal thing to question

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

By the way,, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say the universes are split 2 scum in one, 3 the other && 2 fringe agents each... would that be an accurate assumption?

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Right now I'm thinking Kyoko & almost late.
Kyoko seems to have an attitude but has given minimal worthy input with it. This is in contrast to marksman who has as well an attitude, but at least explains why.
Marksman is probably one of my higher town reads. however I like Zealot as well. I think for pregame its important just to show up... give a little input here and there. I think scum would be more of the "go with the flow" kind of people.... but zealot doesn't seem to be taking other people's shit sooo

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Also, who is this assrhamur && why is yes posting emoticons. That's so random.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

By the way,, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say the universes are split 2 scum in one, 3 the other && 2 fringe agents each... would that be an accurate assumption?

I agree. It would make sense for too much scum to be given the chance to have 3 lone mafia, it would never collapse. So it's sort of a given.

The setup stated that the universes split would not be random. I would assume that the power is evenly distributed for all roles.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I would assume that the power is evenly distributed for all roles.

As in, we can't expect all of us to be citizens.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Marksman hates roleplay. :(

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Alright, so. Since people want me to get down to business, let's get down to it.

Zynonymous makes a good point about even power balance, and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes that way.

Assrhamur is looking like he's basically a spoiler for better players.

Marksman comes off town, seems very focused on getting the job done. I like this, although attitude could use some improvement.

Zealot is unreadable to me.

Yes isn't contributing and might be a good policy lynch. Or they could be a Citizen who is trolling.

That's what stands out to me right now.

[M-FM Zealot]

Alright, so. Since people want me to get down to business, let's get down to it.

Zynonymous makes a good point about even power balance, and I wouldn't be surprised if it goes that way.

Assrhamur is looking like he's basically a spoiler for better players.

Marksman comes off town, seems very focused on getting the job done. I like this, although attitude could use some improvement.

Zealot is unreadable to me.

Yes isn't contributing and might be a good policy lynch. Or they could be a Citizen who is trolling.

That's what stands out to me right now.

Assrhamur is the only PL at this time if you're going to suggest a PL. He has only posted -notafk so far if I remember right.

[M-FM Zealot]

Right now I'm thinking Kyoko & almost late.
Kyoko seems to have an attitude but has given minimal worthy input with it. This is in contrast to marksman who has as well an attitude, but at least explains why.
Marksman is probably one of my higher town reads. however I like Zealot as well. I think for pregame its important just to show up... give a little input here and there. I think scum would be more of the "go with the flow" kind of people.... but zealot doesn't seem to be taking other people's shit sooo

Almost late sticks out to me as gunning for a low hanging fruit (YES) right off the bat today but to he honest nothing else has stood out to me so far from them. I'll have to reread them

[M-FM Almost Late]

Ugh this website is shitting itself, last post got deleted. Alright so finally found the universe. 2 or 3 of the people here are scum. Looking at the list i'm going to guess 3.


M-FM Yes


By the way,, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say the universes are split 2 scum in one, 3 the other && 2 fringe agents each... would that be an accurate assumption?

Thats a pretty big stab in the dark considering i said it 2 posts before you.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Right now I'm thinking Kyoko & almost late.
Kyoko seems to have an attitude but has given minimal worthy input with it. This is in contrast to marksman who has as well an attitude, but at least explains why.
Marksman is probably one of my higher town reads. however I like Zealot as well. I think for pregame its important just to show up... give a little input here and there. I think scum would be more of the "go with the flow" kind of people.... but zealot doesn't seem to be taking other people's shit sooo

You like Zealot, we get it you said it 2 posts in a row now.

Any explanation for throwing shade on me ? Considering we have Cruise Assrha

[M-FM Almost Late]

Almost late sticks out to me as gunning for a low hanging fruit (YES) right off the bat today but to he honest nothing else has stood out to me so far from them. I'll have to reread them

I gun for anybody who shows anti town behaviour. He's hardly a low hanging fruit , he's simply useless right now.

Show me his town behaviour and i'll gladly move my vote, for now i don't see why you feel the need to defend him.
I'll be back in 2 hours.

[M-FM Zealot]

I gun for anybody who shows anti town behaviour. He's hardly a low hanging fruit , he's simply useless right now.

Show me his town behaviour and i'll gladly move my vote, for now i don't see why you feel the need to defend him.
I'll be back in 2 hours.

You didn't answer why you targeted one person showing anti town behavior over the other 3 that were also showing anti town behavior (me, cruise, and Marksman)

The only difference FMPOV is that Yes attracted more negative attention in the pre-game -> hence low hanging fruit

If I'm wrong correct me instead of using a "why are you defending him" blanket statement

[M-FM Almost Late]

Im on my mobile but sure ill answer.

You and marksman gave me a good impression in pregame trying to get discussion started.

That leaves cruise assra and yes

Assra posted once so my vote on him would do nothing because i doubt he is even coming back this day

That leaves cruise and yes. I made the choice for yes since i find 3 emoticon posts more ridiculous than some rp posts. Rp posts happen at the start and then die down

I hate this useless playstyle because it never benefits town. If he is tpr trying to hide he should learn how to actually hide and still contribute. Hence my vote

[M-FM Zealot]

Okay I can understand that

[M-FM Almost Late]

That being said i dont think we got a bad universe of players with some activity we can make this work.

I didnt want sino or dw since i hate readind their logic so

Whats on my mind is 2 things.
Should we discusa what to do when we get a visitor. And all things we discuss can be used by mafia in the other day so how careful should we be

[M-FM Almost Late]

Mechanics are unclear to me orpz. You say mafia has 24/7 chat but the second action in night priority is the opening of mafia chat.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

OrpZed Is Mafia chat only available at night? Or is it 24/7? If 24/7, Why does it need to 'Open'?

[M-FM Zealot]

M-FM Yes

[Forum Mafia GM]

OrpZed Is Mafia chat only available at night? Or is it 24/7? If 24/7, Why does it need to 'Open'?

Mafia (ZFT) night chat never closes and is constantly active.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Thats a pretty big stab in the dark considering i said it 2 posts before you.

Tbf I had not seen your post when I wrote this

[AnassRhamur]

Guys honestly lets be the better universe. Hear me out, we all publicly say our roles and we get this universe like evil free. Property values will fucking skyrocket because its not infested with scum. We will all be rich.

[M-FM Marksman]

Oh hey. While I was gone some of you actually decided to start making real posts. Maybe this universe won't be so bad after all.


Marksman hates roleplay. :(

I don't hate it if it's done well and doesn't interfere with actual discussion/contribution. But when you're yapping about Pacman instead of saying anything of substance, no, I'm not a fan.

[AnassRhamur]

Assrhamur is the only PL at this time if you're going to suggest a PL. He has only posted -notafk so far if I remember right.


Listen up kid. I don't know what the fuck a PL is but i go to school and work 29 hours in a fucking lab being a total fucking slave to my professor. Last week we ran out of p-aminobenzoic acid so he made me stay and clean like some fucking janitor. Im sorry i didn't want to have a heart attack and ruin your game. If you have a problem we can step outside and have a duel. If you don't have a gun you can have my MP5 that shoots .22LR. The joke here is that the bullet is the size of a bibi

[M-FM Marksman]

Guys honestly lets be the better universe. Hear me out, we all publicly say our roles and we get this universe like evil free. Property values will fucking skyrocket because its not infested with scum. We will all be rich.

Gross.

Mass roleclaim rarely (if ever) benefits town more than scum.

AnassRhamur

Talk.

[AnassRhamur]

Oh hey. While I was gone some of you actually decided to start making real posts. Maybe this universe won't be so bad after all.



I don't hate it if it's done well and doesn't interfere with actual discussion/contribution. But when you're yapping about Pacman instead of saying anything of substance, no, I'm not a fan.

Hey you seem active. I don't have time to read everything that happened I'm at work. Im a janitor that works at this school in Boston. Its mainly keeping the school looking nice but there are these math problems on a chalkboard that i like to solve at night. Thats why i don't have much time. I love differential equations ja feel me. But anyway the other day some douche ass professor was like HEY QUIT VANDALIZING and i was like ay fuck you too buddy. Now he's like ay come work for me and im just like naw. But anyway my point is im very busy could you summarize everything that has happened so far

[AnassRhamur]

Gross.

Mass roleclaim rarely (if ever) benefits town more than scum.

AnassRhamur

Talk.

Are you Mesk?

[AnassRhamur]

Tbf I had not seen your post when I wrote this

Are you Mesk?

[AnassRhamur]

M-FM Yes

Are you Mesk?

[AnassRhamur]

Thats a pretty big stab in the dark considering i said it 2 posts before you.

Are you Mesk?

[AnassRhamur]

Marksman hates roleplay. :(

Are you Mesk?

[AnassRhamur]

Gross.

Mass roleclaim rarely (if ever) benefits town more than scum.

AnassRhamur

Talk.

Nigger. Chill. This is my first forum mafia. I don't know what any of these abbreviations are or what the fuck im suppose to be doing. Superjack told me to vote for this. So i voted and now y'all stuck in here with me

[M-FM Marksman]

[bunch of annoying bullshit] could you summarize everything that has happened so far

Sure. Everyone talked for 24 hours. Then day split into 2 separate day chats (universes). Now you're competing with Yes for the title of Most Scummy Motherfucker in this universe. So far he's in the lead, but with a few more posts like this I'm sure you'll catch up to him in no time.

[M-FM Marksman]

Nigger. Chill. This is my first forum mafia. I don't know what any of these abbreviations are or what the fuck im suppose to be doing. Superjack told me to vote for this. So i voted and now y'all stuck in here with me

You joined the site in 2012, according to your profile. You mean to tell me that you haven't played a single FM on this site despite being a member of it for 4 years?

[M-FM Marksman]

Are you Mesk?
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Are you Mesk?
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Are you Mesk?
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Are you Mesk?
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[AnassRhamur]

You joined the site in 2012, according to your profile. You mean to tell me that you haven't played a single FM on this site despite being a member of it for 4 years?

Lol yeah. Im more of the Mod player. You can see my posts mostly related to the Punished Players page as I get reported a lot. Then I also make random ass titles in General discussion and thats about it

[M-FM Zealot]

Are you Mesk?

FYI that's COM hunting which isn't allowed. Its against the rules of the game to try to guess people or get people to reveal who they are behind the anonymous account.

[M-FM Zealot]

You joined the site in 2012, according to your profile. You mean to tell me that you haven't played a single FM on this site despite being a member of it for 4 years?

I know this user and can confirm that I've never seen them play a FM game and that they play the mod a lot

[M-FM Marksman]

FYI that's COM hunting which isn't allowed. Its against the rules of the game to try to guess people or get people to reveal who they are behind the anonymous account.

Which is amusing considering that some players in the game are playing on their COM accounts...

[AnassRhamur]

Which is amusing considering that some players in the game are playing on their COM accounts...

Im in the Mafia Illuminati. Grand Supreme Overlord Superjack instructed all 50 of us to vote for this. Im figuring atleast half of the Mafia Illuminati are in here. PLZLEAVEDUCK?

[M-FM Zealot]

Which is amusing considering that some players in the game are playing on their COM accounts...

Given this revelation that this is his first game, has your view on him changed? I don't see anything alignment indicative in his nonsense yet

[AnassRhamur]

Given this revelation that this is his first game, has your view on him changed? I don't see anything alignment indicative in his nonsense yet

Hey I like you Zealot. You must play starcraft THUS i must know you. Lets Skype and cheat together after this is all over

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

This is my first sc2mafia game as well. I can see a little reflection of myself in assrhamur... this being not knowing where to start

[AnassRhamur]

This is my first sc2mafia game as well. I can see a little reflection of myself in assrhamur... this being not knowing where to start

Please. don't compare yourself to me.
I am in the Mafia illuminati. Ill have you stoned to death hEUHEUHEUHEUHEU

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

You think your puny huh? with your analysis loving username and jokes. you must be town.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Lol auto correct tho

[M-FM Marksman]

Given this revelation that this is his first game, has your view on him changed? I don't see anything alignment indicative in his nonsense yet

My view on him hasn't changed much. I don't have much sympathy for players who don't try, even if they are new.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Okay so on a little productive note. I'm going to place my vote.
[vote]M-FM Yes [vote]
This is someone who hasn't shown anything really since we came into this universe even though it's clear they had a chance. This is someone I wouldn't really like to see at the end of the game either if this is how they're going to act. so I'm going to place my vote there and if they change their demeanor then I may be relevant to change.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

M-FM Yes

[M-FM Zealot]

My view on him hasn't changed much. I don't have much sympathy for players who don't try, even if they are new.

But you said he was scummy. Do you equate trying with town and not trying with scummy? Because that's unfortunately not the case at all

[M-FM Marksman]

But you said he was scummy. Do you equate trying with town and not trying with scummy? Because that's unfortunately not the case at all

I'm aware of that. But constantly spouting gibberish that has nothing to do with the game isn't exactly a town tell, so my opinion of him is unchanged. He is scummy.

[M-FM Zealot]

I'm aware of that. But constantly spouting gibberish that has nothing to do with the game isn't exactly a town tell, so my opinion of him is unchanged. He is scummy.

Lack of a town tell does not a scum make. Until he does something AI I can't agree with that.

[M-FM Yes]

HeyGuys what do you want to see from me? I'm not very autistic so I'll have some trouble meeting demands that require me to post walls of text on day one.

[M-FM Yes]

I see my use of "shitty" emoticons has triggered some of you. D=

[AnassRhamur]

I'm aware of that. But constantly spouting gibberish that has nothing to do with the game isn't exactly a town tell, so my opinion of him is unchanged. He is scummy.

I got a lil story for ya Marksman. See when little girls come to age they get this thing called a period. This is what you are experiencing right now. It also comes with something called PMS-ing. Its okay to be moody. I forgive you child

[M-FM Zealot]

HeyGuys what do you want to see from me? I'm not very autistic so I'll have some trouble meeting demands that require me to post walls of text on day one.

Nice over exaggeration. Nobody is asking for wall posts.

[M-FM Yes]

I'm also on my phone as the power in my area has been cut by someone. It's rather unfortunate but it's pretty difficult to go back and quote things that stand out to me right now.

[AnassRhamur]

HeyGuys what do you want to see from me? I'm not very autistic so I'll have some trouble meeting demands that require me to post walls of text on day one.

How far are you on the autism spectrum? Im pretty high up. Seems like you're right up there with me

[M-FM Yes]

I wonder what will happen to my ass friend as he seems to have openly com hunted in like 6 posts. Hopefully just a warning for now. D=

[M-FM Zealot]

I'm pretty much down for a PL of one of these two at this point unless something crazy happens.

[M-FM Yes]

How far are you on the autism spectrum? Im pretty high up. Seems like you're right up there with me

Probably pretty low man. I can post some results I got from a test around 4 years ago that I took on this site. Let me find them.

[AnassRhamur]

Yes, can you please stop PMing outside of this page. I don't want to know your role stop it

[AnassRhamur]

Does every universe have a evil in it

[M-FM Marksman]

Lack of a town tell does not a scum make. Until he does something AI I can't agree with that.

K. Good talk.


M-FM Yes

Since my #1 Scum suspect is finally here, let's see what he has to say for himself.

[M-FM Yes]

Why should we policy lynch? There's a 50/50 shot we have a jailor imo.

[AnassRhamur]

I'm pretty much down for a PL of one of these two at this point unless something crazy happens.

Real talk tho. Its a lot easier for evils to stay silent man. We got like 4 people not talking

[M-FM Zealot]

Why should we policy lynch? There's a 50/50 shot we have a jailor imo.

To get rid of the cancer so its not around in LYLO, duh, why else would you PL

[M-FM Yes]

To get rid of the cancer so its not around in LYLO, duh, why else would you PL

You think I'd play the same in an end game scenario?

[M-FM Yes]

This isn't exactly an autism test but it's close enough.
Paranoid: Low
Schizoid: Low
Schizotypal: Low
Antisocial: Moderate
Borderline: Low
Histrionic: Low
Narcissistic: Moderate
Avoidant: Low
Dependent: Low
Obsessive-Compulsive: Low

[M-FM Marksman]

Why should we policy lynch? There's a 50/50 shot we have a jailor imo.

Or we could have a kidnapper. Or both. Or neither.

Not 50/50 by a long shot. And even if it was, why take the 50/50 when we can just lynch you 100% right here right now?

[M-FM Zealot]

You think I'd play the same in an end game scenario?

You're an anon account so I have no meta to reference. All I have is what you've given me so far.

[M-FM Yes]

Or we could have a kidnapper. Or both. Or neither.

Not 50/50 by a long shot. And even if it was, why take the 50/50 when we can just lynch you 100% right here right now?
Because I'm town obviously. I think not lynching would give us more info than a shot in the dark lynch today. Ending the day with a vote on a player would be pretty anti town imo.

[M-FM Zealot]

Because I'm town obviously. I think not lynching would give us more info than a shot in the dark lynch today. Ending the day with a vote on a player would be pretty anti town imo.

Lynching is anti town? What??

[AnassRhamur]

TBH, i think the lurkers are more likely to be evil. Usually how it is in the mod

[M-FM Yes]

It's just mathematically the better option. The odds of us killing another town is higher than a scum player. One universe will get that extra jailor info and we have the choice of making it ours. Otherwise we might never get the info. It makes sense for a day one play.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Right now I'm thinking Kyoko & almost late.
Kyoko seems to have an attitude but has given minimal worthy input with it. This is in contrast to marksman who has as well an attitude, but at least explains why.
Marksman is probably one of my higher town reads. however I like Zealot as well. I think for pregame its important just to show up... give a little input here and there. I think scum would be more of the "go with the flow" kind of people.... but zealot doesn't seem to be taking other people's shit sooo

Interesting how only you picked up that I had an attitude, because you were the only person I said anything remotely mean to. And for good reason. Your first two points were trolly and unity-breaking. You clearly knew you were being abrasive, and now is minimizing what I've done in day one.

I don't actually see the arrogant attitude that Marksman displays. Well, not one out of the norm. There is a disconnect between their explanations and what they post to follow it up though. More on this in another post.

Zealot turned from a easy-going roleplayer to more serious one. I'm seeing this as a more town-like behavior as I can't see why a scum would switch like that.
Wishing that he'd explain why he didn't want me in his universe and why he thought my exercise was stupid yesterday.
M-FM Zealot Explain yesterday's post please.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

It's just mathematically the better option. The odds of us killing another town is higher than a scum player. One universe will get that extra jailor info and we have the choice of making it ours. Otherwise we might never get the info. It makes sense for a day one play.

I highly doubt they are doing a policy lynch over there. All the ones for it seem to be on this side. So if we are doing a policy lynch-- we will be the ones doing it.
I think we should wait until the latter half of day 1 for people to show up.

Also, your math is wrong. Policy lynching only needs to be or close to setup average chance of hitting scum, which is ~2.5/9

[M-FM Zealot]

Interesting how only you picked up that I had an attitude, because you were the only person I said anything remotely mean to. And for good reason. Your first two points were trolly and unity-breaking. You clearly knew you were being abrasive, and now is minimizing what I've done in day one.

I don't actually see the arrogant attitude that Marksman displays. Well, not one out of the norm. There is a disconnect between their explanations and what they post to follow it up though. More on this in another post.

Zealot turned from a easy-going roleplayer to more serious one. I'm seeing this as a more town-like behavior as I can't see why a scum would switch like that.
Wishing that he'd explain why he didn't want me in his universe and why he thought my exercise was stupid yesterday.
M-FM Zealot Explain yesterday's post please.

I said that I didn't want you because I knew it would irk you. I really did see that exercise as pointless.

[M-FM Zealot]

TBH, i think the lurkers are more likely to be evil. Usually how it is in the mod

While this is true, what you're doing is active lurking, aka posting so as not to be a "lurker" but not really saying anything. Its easy to just post a bunch and say lurkers are scum.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I said that I didn't want you because I knew it would irk you. I really did see that exercise as pointless.

Not at all. I don't know where you got that from.

[M-FM Yes]

I highly doubt they are doing a policy lynch over there. All the ones for it seem to be on this side. So if we are doing a policy lynch-- we will be the ones doing it.
I think we should wait until the latter half of day 1 for people to show up.

Also, your math is wrong. Policy lynching only needs to be or close to setup average chance of hitting scum, which is ~2.5/9

I think it's pretty dumb to make that large of an assumption about the other universe at this point. I'm sure people are voting over there.

[M-FM Yes]

How is my math wrong? The odds you just posted aren't favorable.

[M-FM Zealot]

Not at all. I don't know where you got that from.

Well my intent was to irk you and it irks me that it didn't work -_-

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I think the chances of a jailor pulling a successful jail off are miniscule given all we need is one vote on one dude for a lynch to happen. Given the double-blind nature of the game, I can't see it easily happening; all scum have to do is post a vote at the last minute to prevent a jail. It'll reveal them as scum, sure, but they could sacrifice a useless role for a good role.

Also, AssRhamur, are you actually going to contribute here, or are you just going to make jokes and say stupid shit?

[M-FM Yes]

Giving role information to a possible jailor is the idea. The idea isn't for him to execute lol.

[M-FM Marksman]

Because I'm town obviously. I think not lynching would give us more info than a shot in the dark lynch today. Ending the day with a vote on a player would be pretty anti town imo.

Ew, no.


TBH, i think the lurkers are more likely to be evil. Usually how it is in the mod

This isn't the mod. What you're doing (active lurking) is only marginally better than regular (inactive) lurking.


It's just mathematically the better option. The odds of us killing another town is higher than a scum player. One universe will get that extra jailor info and we have the choice of making it ours. Otherwise we might never get the info. It makes sense for a day one play.

This is one of the scummiest things I've ever read. If we wait to lynch until the probability of hitting a scum is greater than the probability of hitting town, then town has (most likely) already lost. So a townie would never suggest such a strategy, because it is not a winning line of play. Therefore I can only conclude that you are scum. My vote stays.

[M-FM Yes]

Ew, no.



This isn't the mod. What you're doing (active lurking) is only marginally better than regular (inactive) lurking.



This is one of the scummiest things I've ever read. If we wait to lynch until the probability of hitting a scum is greater than the probability of hitting town, then town has (most likely) already lost. So a townie would never suggest such a strategy, because it is not a winning line of play. Therefore I can only conclude that you are scum. My vote stays.

I didn't suggest that. The key sentence is that last one. Work on your reading comprehension.

[M-FM Yes]

It makes sense for a day one play.

here I'll isolate it + make it large and bright so you can see it

[M-FM Marksman]

I think the chances of a jailor pulling a successful jail off are miniscule given all we need is one vote on one dude for a lynch to happen. Given the double-blind nature of the game, I can't see it easily happening; all scum have to do is post a vote at the last minute to prevent a jail. It'll reveal them as scum, sure, but they could sacrifice a useless role for a good role.

Also, AssRhamur, are you actually going to contribute here, or are you just going to make jokes and say stupid shit?

Not quite. Only one lynch happens across both universes, so if we had 0 votes on anyone and a scum last-minute voted to cause a lynch, not only would they out themselves as scum (which should be enough to make this not worth it for them most of the time), but they also very likely wouldn't even cause a lynch as the other universe would only need to have 2 votes on a single target to prevent that from working.

That being said however, mafia can communicate 24/7, which means that if they're smart/active they will never try this tactic unless the mafia in the other universe give them confirmation that it would actually work. But they would still then be revealing themselves as mafia, so I still don't think it would be an effective strategy- they'd be better off taking their chances with the jailor.


Giving role information to a possible jailor is the idea. The idea isn't for him to execute lol.

That's even worse. Why would we want to no-lynch just so the jailor could jail and not execute? Are you trying to get yourself lynched? You know there's no jester possible in this setup, right?

[M-FM Yes]

My power came back so I'll go back and highlight some things.

[M-FM Zealot]

My power came back so I'll go back and highlight some things.

Its amazing what a few votes can do ^_^

[M-FM Marksman]

here I'll isolate it + make it large and bright so you can see it

Nice try at condescension, but it won't work on me- you are in the presence of a master. I invented this shit.

I saw that sentence the first time around and still posted, but you didn't get it so I'll spell it out for you:

Even as a day one play it doesn't make sense and it's fucking terrible.

One more time, larger so you get the message:

Even as a day one play it doesn't make sense and it's fucking terrible.

[M-FM Yes]

Its amazing what a few votes can do ^_^

What do you mean? I already said I would

[M-FM Yes]

Nice try at condescension, but it won't work on me- you are in the presence of a master. I invented this shit.

I saw that sentence the first time around and still posted, but you didn't get it so I'll spell it out for you:

Even as a day one play it doesn't make sense and it's fucking terrible.

One more time, larger so you get the message:

Even as a day one play it doesn't make sense and it's fucking terrible.

Okay dude, that's cool. I'm really sorry I don't want guaranteed info for free without killing a town member based on no actual information but your "reads". 4 of you seem to be pretty shitty at "reading" so far.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Selfish and Reactive Behavior
Other than to quickly call people scum[#23, #110, #135, #151], Marksman only replies to defend herself. This is probably the "arrogant" attitude that others have picked up on— I'd simply call it that she is concerned about herself. In other words, survivalistic and overly careful about her influence in discussion.

Picks at reasons to call people scum#28 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38195-M-FM-Fringe-Day-1?p=645313&viewfull=1#post645313) After saying that RVS is scummy, she does not follow it up with an explanation. She knows that the thought is unconventional, but does not explain it or want to explain it for us which is anti-town. She is not new and she is a forum mafia player. So taken in context, this was a)an attempt to shut down RVS b)a way to pick at something in order to call me scum c)extremely selfish

Disconnect of her thoughts and her actions
#109 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38195-M-FM-Fringe-Day-1/page6?p=645396#post645396)Marksman says that this stage is for discussing game mechanics, yet does not take the time to do so. Her only post about game mechanics yesterday was #102, a mild speculation on the distribution of roles.

"Finally, a comment about the actual game. (exasperated)" #102 She implies she is annoyed at the lack of discussion about the game, yet nowhere does she ask questions to reengage people.
Instead, her use of questions is for sarcastic defense. Example: "Are you going to discredit all my reads just because the person I'm reading happens to think I'm scum?" #141

When players say one thing and do another.. that is the definition of deception.

[AnassRhamur]

This isn't the mod. What you're doing (active lurking) is only marginally better than regular (inactive) lurking.

You stupid nig. its more about not wanting to draw attention to oneself.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I see active deception from Marksman. While I read more carefully about the other scummy looking people, which could just be bad town play:
M-FM Marksman

[M-FM Zealot]

Zhakul inok. Shits about to get real.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Zhakul inok. Shits about to get real.

Spent too long on my post '~'
What M-FM Yes is saying is super preposterous.

[M-FM Yes]

Ugh this website is shitting itself, last post got deleted. Alright so finally found the universe. 2 or 3 of the people here are scum. Looking at the list i'm going to guess 3.

What i didn't expect and suprises me is that we can't see anything of the other universe at all. We can't see their chat , their votes, who died. I thought we would have acces to the thread. We should have tried to form a strategy before we split.

This also makes this game a whole lot harder considering scum can talk with each other 24/7 and report. So they know how the votes are going on the other side and try to sway if needed. And with the posts so far i think this is the hardest universe.

Yes why are you spending your time posting shitty emoticons, instead of being productive ?

M-FM Yes

These blanket assumptions are useless. We could easily have 4 scum players in our universe. The balance will shift throughout the game so it doesn't really matter what we start with. Looking at the list of players shouldn't give you an idea of the amount of scum players we have.

[M-FM Yes]

Also @late I don't really like your reasoning for voting for me that you described in your original post when there were also a couple of other players who hadn't contributed before me. You gave further explanation later on but that's not good enough for me. You should have just said that in your original post.

[M-FM Yes]

Right now I'm thinking Kyoko & almost late.
Kyoko seems to have an attitude but has given minimal worthy input with it. This is in contrast to marksman who has as well an attitude, but at least explains why.
Marksman is probably one of my higher town reads. however I like Zealot as well. I think for pregame its important just to show up... give a little input here and there. I think scum would be more of the "go with the flow" kind of people.... but zealot doesn't seem to be taking other people's shit sooo

I can understand town reading zealot right now but your reasoning for town reading marksman is her attitude? I don't follow.

[M-FM Yes]

I'm not going to pin a vote right now and I don't plan on it today. I'd like the other universe to lynch for now. The person that stands out to me the most is Kool-aid.

[M-FM Zealot]

I'm not going to pin a vote right now and I don't plan on it today. I'd like the other universe to lynch for now. The person that stands out to me the most is Kool-aid.

Why Kool aid? You didn't quote anything from him

[M-FM Zealot]

Why Kool aid? You didn't quote anything from him

Nevermind I'm an idiot

[M-FM Zealot]

I can understand town reading zealot right now but your reasoning for town reading marksman is her attitude? I don't follow.

What I meant to say is:

Why Kool aid? The only thing you quoted from him was that you found it weird that he town read the red head

[M-FM Marksman]

Okay dude, that's cool. I'm really sorry I don't want guaranteed info for free without killing a town member based on no actual information but your "reads". 4 of you seem to be pretty shitty at "reading" so far.
You only dislike my reads because they include you as #1 scum. Several other people agree with me, hence all the votes on you. Speaking of which, funny (read: super scummy) how the person in the most danger of being lynched is also the most vocal opponent of lynching.


Selfish and Reactive Behavior
Other than to quickly call people scum[#23, #110, #135, #151], Marksman only replies to defend herself. This is probably the "arrogant" attitude that others have picked up on— I'd simply call it that she is concerned about herself. In other words, survivalistic and overly careful about her influence in discussion.

Not true at all, I have defended myself some, but those are not my "only" replies. Self defense isn't a majority or even a plurality. And it couldn't be further from the truth because I really don't give a fuck if anyone thinks I'm scum, but I know how this game works- if I ignore the accusations I'm "refusing to explain myself" and "ignoring the accusations/laying low and hoping they go away". So I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. But I like the way you included that in your attack so that when I defend myself from your blatantly false accusations it looks as though I'm proving your point to further put me in an unwinnable position. Very sneaky.



Picks at reasons to call people scum#28 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38195-M-FM-Fringe-Day-1?p=645313&viewfull=1#post645313) After saying that RVS is scummy, she does not follow it up with an explanation.


I explained myself. Learn to read. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38195-M-FM-Fringe-Day-1?p=645396&viewfull=1#post645396) Or get better at lying.



She knows that the thought is unconventional, but does not explain it or want to explain it for us which is anti-town. She is not new and she is a forum mafia player. So taken in context, this was a)an attempt to shut down RVS b)a way to pick at something in order to call me scum c)extremely selfish

I like that you call me selfish here. 1) Because the closest thing you have to evidence is that I defend myself from attacks, which anyone would do and 2) Because even if I was selfish that means nothing in the scope of the game. All that matters is whether or not I'm scum, but you don't call me out as scum, you instead resort to attacking my character as if that somehow matters.



Disconnect of her thoughts and her actions
#109 (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38195-M-FM-Fringe-Day-1/page6?p=645396#post645396)Marksman says that this stage is for discussing game mechanics, yet does not take the time to do so. Her only post about game mechanics yesterday was #102, a mild speculation on the distribution of roles.

This is your first and only fair criticism of me. I should have discussed the mechanics more. That being said, no one else really brought anything to the table on this topic or even expressed much interest in talking about anything other than the fact that I shit on their beloved "RVS" bulshit. So I only take half responsibility for this one.



"Finally, a comment about the actual game. (exasperated)" #102 She implies she is annoyed at the lack of discussion about the game, yet nowhere does she ask questions to reengage people.
Instead, her use of questions is for sarcastic defense. Example: "Are you going to discredit all my reads just because the person I'm reading happens to think I'm scum?" #141

I was exasperated and that's exactly what zealot was doing, so yeah I stand by those posts.

[M-FM Yes]

What I meant to say is:

Why Kool aid? The only thing you quoted from him was that you found it weird that he town read the red head

sheep vote and lack of content basically

[M-FM Zealot]

I gotta say I like Marksman a lot more today and will be unwilling to lynch her

[M-FM Yes]

You only dislike my reads because they include you as #1 scum. Several other people agree with me, hence all the votes on you. Speaking of which, funny (read: super scummy) how the person in the most danger of being lynched is also the most vocal opponent of lynching.



Not true at all, I have defended myself some, but those are not my "only" replies. Self defense isn't a majority or even a plurality. And it couldn't be further from the truth because I really don't give a fuck if anyone thinks I'm scum, but I know how this game works- if I ignore the accusations I'm "refusing to explain myself" and "ignoring the accusations/laying low and hoping they go away". So I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. But I like the way you included that in your attack so that when I defend myself from your blatantly false accusations it looks as though I'm proving your point to further put me in an unwinnable position. Very sneaky.




I explained myself. Learn to read. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38195-M-FM-Fringe-Day-1?p=645396&viewfull=1#post645396) Or get better at lying.



I like that you call me selfish here. 1) Because the closest thing you have to evidence is that I defend myself from attacks, which anyone would do and 2) Because even if I was selfish that means nothing in the scope of the game. All that matters is whether or not I'm scum, but you don't call me out as scum, you instead resort to attacking my character as if that somehow matters.



This is your first and only fair criticism of me. I should have discussed the mechanics more. That being said, no one else really brought anything to the table on this topic or even expressed much interest in talking about anything other than the fact that I shit on their beloved "RVS" bulshit. So I only take half responsibility for this one.



I was exasperated and that's exactly what zealot was doing, so yeah I stand by those posts.

How did you quote me while actually quoting someone else. wp

[M-FM Marksman]

How did you quote me while actually quoting someone else. wp

oh fuck me i fucked that up. copied the wrong quote brackets. *facepalm*

[M-FM Zealot]

sheep vote and lack of content basically

Given your start, pointing out lack of content is pretty hilarious.

[M-FM Marksman]

first quote is Yes, the others are Kyoko in case that wasn't clear.

[M-FM Yes]

Given your start, pointing out lack of content is pretty hilarious.

So I'm not allowed to be critical of other players?

[M-FM Zealot]

So I'm not allowed to be critical of other players?

Did I say that? I said your hypocrisy was hilarious. Which it is.

[M-FM Yes]

Did I say that? I said your hypocrisy was hilarious. Which it is.

I made a few unproductive posts in the beginning of each thread. None of his are productive so far. How is that hypocritical.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I'd say scum hasn't had time to plan a big power play yet, especially since they didn't know who would be in what universe. So I think of the Marksman/Zealot/Yes group, at least one of them is scum. I'm beginning to think that Yes is not a very skilled player, and possibly scum, thus his unwillingness to contribute at all. Kyoko might be allied with him and trying to soft defend, or might have legitimate issue with Marksman, I can't tell yet.

AssRhamur is useless and might make a good lynch later if we don't have any better leads and he doesn't shape up.

In any event.

M-FM Yes

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

To put this in context, Yes, there are 9 people in this universe and 5 of them currently want your head. You might want to defend more seriously, roleclaim, or both.

[M-FM Almost Late]

~I'm back let me read up

[M-FM Yes]

To put this in context, Yes, there are 9 people in this universe and 5 of them currently want your head. You might want to defend more seriously, roleclaim, or both.

Okay man I guess me contributing isn't actually contributing. Should I post more emoticons? :chickenwings:

[M-FM Yes]

Most of the players in this universe have contributed less than I have so that's no longer a valid reason for voting me.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Holy shit i was wrong this universe is cancer and most of you are retarded.

[M-FM Yes]

I'm not really feeling the pressure tbh. If you want me to defend myself more seriously than find a more serious reason for voting me. I've got like 32 or so hours left.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Off the top of my head.

Ass says he is a new forum mafia player, yet he plays like the biggest douche i've ever seen. But a new forum mafia player instantly asks somebody if they are Mesk.
How did nobody see this giant gaping hole.

Then Koolaid also says he is a new forum mafia player, then he votes Yes a train I started even though he put me as a scumread ? (you remind me of NU when he got lynched D1 as scum on Politico)

Now we have Yes suddenly contributing i'm happy my vote had effect but the train that happened tells me Yes isnt scum.

Then kirianimenofuckingclue name puts on a wall of text making the shittiest accusation of Marksman meanwhile using only her pronouns and basically revealing the COM behind the anon account.

Jesus fuck people

[M-FM Yes]

Off the top of my head.

Ass says he is a new forum mafia player, yet he plays like the biggest douche i've ever seen. But a new forum mafia player instantly asks somebody if they are Mesk.
How did nobody see this giant gaping hole.

Then Koolaid also says he is a new forum mafia player, then he votes Yes a train I started even though he put me as a scumread ? (you remind me of NU when he got lynched D1 as scum on Politico)

Now we have Yes suddenly contributing i'm happy my vote had effect but the train that happened tells me Yes isnt scum.

Then kirianimenofuckingclue name puts on a wall of text making the shittiest accusation of Marksman meanwhile using only her pronouns and basically revealing the COM behind the anon account.

Jesus fuck people

they r friends. rip ur giant gaping hole

[M-FM Almost Late]

I see active deception from Marksman. While I read more carefully about the other scummy looking people, which could just be bad town play:
M-FM Marksman

No you see what you want to see , if you think your play can result in trains you are delusional , pretty much like the illusion you made when you accused Marksman.


These blanket assumptions are useless. We could easily have 4 scum players in our universe. The balance will shift throughout the game so it doesn't really matter what we start with. Looking at the list of players shouldn't give you an idea of the amount of scum players we have.

No ugh amatuer, read the damn setup we cant have 4 scum players in our universe. you are now active but remain useless


I'd say scum hasn't had time to plan a big power play yet, especially since they didn't know who would be in what universe. So I think of the Marksman/Zealot/Yes group, at least one of them is scum. I'm beginning to think that Yes is not a very skilled player, and possibly scum, thus his unwillingness to contribute at all. Kyoko might be allied with him and trying to soft defend, or might have legitimate issue with Marksman, I can't tell yet.

AssRhamur is useless and might make a good lynch later if we don't have any better leads and he doesn't shape up.

In any event.

M-FM Yes

There is so much wrong with this posts it pings you as scum to me. I'll break it down
First you say Marksman Zealot yes are a group , first of all 2 of them are voting Yes and the same 2 people are some of our most active pre game chatters, You meanwhile made this post your first official post aka YOU HAVE NO INFLUENCE because you decided to do some shitty rp that nobody found funny or appreciated. Then you jump on Yes as the 10th person or something.
Then you feel the need to include Ass in your post. This feels like you are trying to turn the spotlight away from an Ass lynch.

Ugh

The only people i trust in this universe are Marksman and Zealot

I don't think Yes is a good lynch because it formed too quickly with shit reasons

My top scumreads are Koolaid and Cruise with Ass being a retard.

[M-FM Almost Late]

they r friends. rip ur giant gaping hole

if you don't change ur attitude rip ur M-FM life ?

[M-FM Yes]

if you don't change ur attitude rip ur M-FM life ?

what do u mean m8 r u going to night kill me

[M-FM Marksman]

I'm not really feeling the pressure tbh. If you want me to defend myself more seriously than find a more serious reason for voting me. I've got like 32 or so hours left.

Highlighting this post for discussion.

Given the mafia have 24/7 communication and can constantly keep each other informed of what's going on in both universes, what do we think about the possibility that Yes doesn't feel the pressure because he has information about the vote tally in the other (main?) universe?

[M-FM Almost Late]

what do u mean m8 r u going to night kill me

Only a dumbfuck scum kills a player on the chopping block.
Do we have to teach you how mafia is played ?

[M-FM Almost Late]

Highlighting this post for discussion.

Given the mafia have 24/7 communication and can constantly keep each other informed of what's going on in both universes, what do we think about the possibility that Yes doesn't feel the pressure because he has information about the vote tally in the other (main?) universe?

No he's simply responding like you should, don't let the pressure get to you. He's trying to not show weakness.

[M-FM Zealot]

No you see what you want to see , if you think your play can result in trains you are delusional , pretty much like the illusion you made when you accused Marksman.



No ugh amatuer, read the damn setup we cant have 4 scum players in our universe. you are now active but remain useless



There is so much wrong with this posts it pings you as scum to me. I'll break it down
First you say Marksman Zealot yes are a group , first of all 2 of them are voting Yes and the same 2 people are some of our most active pre game chatters, You meanwhile made this post your first official post aka YOU HAVE NO INFLUENCE because you decided to do some shitty rp that nobody found funny or appreciated. Then you jump on Yes as the 10th person or something.
Then you feel the need to include Ass in your post. This feels like you are trying to turn the spotlight away from an Ass lynch.

Ugh

The only people i trust in this universe are Marksman and Zealot

I don't think Yes is a good lynch because it formed too quickly with shit reasons

My top scumreads are Koolaid and Cruise with Ass being a retard.

Wanna switch it up?

M-FM Cruise Elroy

[AnassRhamur]

Off the top of my head.

Ass says he is a new forum mafia player, yet he plays like the biggest douche i've ever seen. But a new forum mafia player instantly asks somebody if they are Mesk.
How did nobody see this giant gaping hole.



Are you actually retarded? Im not hiding behind an anonymous profile. you can look at my forum posts and see if I've ever played. I know mesk from the Starcraft 2 Mod. Could you please take your head out of your head? I think ill dub thee Headass

[M-FM Zealot]

Highlighting this post for discussion.

Given the mafia have 24/7 communication and can constantly keep each other informed of what's going on in both universes, what do we think about the possibility that Yes doesn't feel the pressure because he has information about the vote tally in the other (main?) universe?

That could be a possibility but it would look really bad for Yes if someone over there was lynched with 7 or more votes and he had 5

[AnassRhamur]

im sorry i meant take your head out of your ass

[M-FM Zealot]

Are you actually retarded? Im not hiding behind an anonymous profile. you can look at my forum posts and see if I've ever played. I know mesk from the Starcraft 2 Mod. Could you please take your head out of your head? I think ill dub thee Headass

Could you tone down the insults please?

[M-FM Marksman]

No he's simply responding like you should, don't let the pressure get to you. He's trying to not show weakness.

Ok, so given that you think the train on him mounted too quickly for him to be scum and you think he is responding to pressure in the correct way, why do you still have your vote on him?

I'd also like to point out that even though I just brought up the possibility of him being mafia, he could also be William Bell, which could explain both his scummy behavior and the speed at which the votes piled onto him. Though I personally am choosing not to read much into the speed of the train.

[M-FM Marksman]

That could be a possibility but it would look really bad for Yes if someone over there was lynched with 7 or more votes and he had 5

True.

Actually, now that you mention it: Are we informed of lynches (and the vote tally/role-flip on those lynches) that occur in the other universe?

[M-FM Yes]

Highlighting this post for discussion.

Given the mafia have 24/7 communication and can constantly keep each other informed of what's going on in both universes, what do we think about the possibility that Yes doesn't feel the pressure because he has information about the vote tally in the other (main?) universe?

yeah dude that's it you caught me red handed they have cryptonic pinned down with 8 votes FeelsAmazingMan:noose:

[M-FM Yes]

Could you tone down the insults please?

he said he's sorry :(

[M-FM Zealot]

he said he's sorry :(

If you had to vote someone who would it be?

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Highlighting this post for discussion.

Given the mafia have 24/7 communication and can constantly keep each other informed of what's going on in both universes, what do we think about the possibility that Yes doesn't feel the pressure because he has information about the vote tally in the other (main?) universe?

I'll get to the other posts tonight, but since this was flagged up-

Even if the other side had some crazy vote tally, I think Yes would still feel pressure because after they lynch someone on the other side, Yes is still probably next.

[M-FM Yes]

If you had to vote someone who would it be?

kool-aids

[M-FM Zealot]

kool-aids

Then why not place a vote on him for now? Even if you remove it later. There's no fear of a hammer.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Friendly reminder to NOT use the "report post" function, as this will allow staff in the other universe to see the reported post. If you see a problematic post, please PM me directly.

Are we informed of lynches (and the vote tally/role-flip on those lynches) that occur in the other universe?
No.

[M-FM Yes]

Then why not place a vote on him for now? Even if you remove it later. There's no fear of a hammer.

I don't believe anyone will follow suit atm, so I don't really see a point and as I already said I would prefer if no one was lynched today.

[M-FM Zealot]

I don't believe anyone will follow suit atm, so I don't really see a point and as I already said I would prefer if no one was lynched today.

If you don't think anyone else would be willing to vote kool aid you're not reading the game close enough.

The point is that voting is our biggest asset so refusing to use it cripples the town. Even if we decide to no lynch at the end would you rather everyone sit on our hands doing nothing instead?

[M-FM Yes]

If you don't think anyone else would be willing to vote kool aid you're not reading the game close enough.

The point is that voting is our biggest asset so refusing to use it cripples the town. Even if we decide to no lynch at the end would you rather everyone sit on our hands doing nothing instead?

ok man I'll vote him if you will stop talking about it. M-FM Kool-Aid

[M-FM Marksman]

Friendly reminder to NOT use the "report post" function, as this will allow staff in the other universe to see the reported post. If you see a problematic post, please PM me directly.

No.

Interesting. So we have no idea what goes on in the other chat from day to day.

[M-FM Yes]

Interesting. So we have no idea what goes on in the other chat from day to day.

yeah that's kind of the entire point

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Interesting. So we have no idea what goes on in the other chat from day to day.

It really took that long to figure out?

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I still have yet to see a case against Yes. What exactly is the deal with this train? Just a lack of defense plus a lack of evidence?

[M-FM Zealot]

I still have yet to see a case against Yes. What exactly is the deal with this train? Just a lack of defense plus a lack of evidence?

Care to make a case for anyone else?

[M-FM Marksman]

I still have yet to see a case against Yes. What exactly is the deal with this train? Just a lack of defense plus a lack of evidence?

He started off the day by contributing absolutely nothing of value. Then the universes split and he continued to say nothing of value and instead spammed emotes. He also gave half-assed reads which he never bothered to explain, then outright refused to explain when asked. And even now that he's spent nearly half the day (post-split) with a pile of votes on him, he still has yet to provide any explanation or defense for his behavior. He has referred to lynching today as "anti-town" (which is funny because he has been on the chopping block all day) and is hell bent on letting a jailor jail instead despite the fact that we might not even have a jailor in the game let alone this universe.

[M-FM Marksman]

OrpZed Is Mafia chat only available at night? Or is it 24/7? If 24/7, Why does it need to 'Open'?


It really took that long to figure out?

Shade from the guy who asked a question which could have been answered by reading the setup. lol

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Shade from the guy who asked a question which could have been answered by reading the setup. lol

This was questioned because the setup had conflicting details. It stated that the Mafia chat opens at a certain time in the OoO.

[M-FM Marksman]

This was questioned because the setup had conflicting details. It stated that the Mafia chat opens at a certain time in the OoO.

There were no conflicting details. It was obvious that it was stated in the OoO due to the jailor/kidnapper removing a person from all their night chats, including the mafia chat.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

There were no conflicting details. It was obvious that it was stated in the OoO due to the jailor/kidnapper removing a person from all their night chats, including the mafia chat.

Hrm..maybe..maybe not. It still looks like it conflicts to me but, oh well.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

So, Zealot. Why exactly are you after me now? Because all I can see, you're just trying to pressure me.

And for what it's worth, I didn't mean Marksman/Zealot/Yes were a group in any sense other than, "I'm sure one of them is scum."

[M-FM Zealot]

So, Zealot. Why exactly are you after me now? Because all I can see, you're just trying to pressure me.

And for what it's worth, I didn't mean Marksman/Zealot/Yes were a group in any sense other than, "I'm sure one of them is scum."

Pacman sends his greetings

[M-FM Yes]

Pacman sends his greetings

LUL

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

LUL

Exactly .. and no ones here, screw my time schedule.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

How is my math wrong? The odds you just posted aren't favorable.

There is on average 2.5 scum out of nine people in this universe. If I thought someone was scum more than 2.5/9 whatever percent then I would vote to lynch them because we'd probably be in a better position than right now. All that is left is for you to agree.

[M-FM Yes]

There is on average 2.5 scum out of nine people in this universe. If I thought someone was scum more than 2.5/9 whatever percent then I would vote to lynch them because we'd probably be in a better position than right now. All that is left is for you to agree.

Sure, I just don't think there's enough info to push us past that point atm.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

<To Yes>
Not true at all, I have defended myself some, but those are not my "only" replies. Self defense isn't a majority or even a plurality. And it couldn't be further from the truth because I really don't give a fuck if anyone thinks I'm scum, but I know how this game works- if I ignore the accusations I'm "refusing to explain myself" and "ignoring the accusations/laying low and hoping they go away". So I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. But I like the way you included that in your attack so that when I defend myself from your blatantly false accusations it looks as though I'm proving your point to further put me in an unwinnable position. Very sneaky.
Given that you made like ~10 posts yesterday and like 5 were of the defense of yourself. I would say yes, this is the truth. But maybe it was a bad characterization, because yes town defend themselves, and yes, I've caught scum spending the whole game defending themselves and only talking about themselves. I'm going to let this one go for now.



I explained myself. Learn to read. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/38195-M-FM-Fringe-Day-1?p=645396&viewfull=1#post645396) Or get better at lying.
You called my analogy bad. Ok.



I like that you call me selfish here. 1) Because the closest thing you have to evidence is that I defend myself from attacks, which anyone would do and 2) Because even if I was selfish that means nothing in the scope of the game. All that matters is whether or not I'm scum, but you don't call me out as scum, you instead resort to attacking my character as if that somehow matters.

1) see below
2) "Selfish" was the wrong word. "Self-serving" would have been a better one. What people roll for a role and the way they act definitely is connected. Players who act too selfish are scum. If it wasn't clear, I was calling you scum.



This is your first and only fair criticism of me. I should have discussed the mechanics more. That being said, no one else really brought anything to the table on this topic or even expressed much interest in talking about anything other than the fact that I shit on their beloved "RVS" bulshit. So I only take half responsibility for this one.
Ok.



I was exasperated and that's exactly what zealot was doing, so yeah I stand by those posts.
Ok.. and you dismissed the fact that you didn't engage other people with their questions. A town would have been inquisitive and looked around for answers.
You not doing that means that you don't push the conversation forward.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Sure, I just don't think there's enough info to push us past that point atm.

Random lynching gets us 2.5/9.
ANYTHING anything, even something like: Lurkers are 10% more likely to be scum. He shouted an insult as a first post, 10% more likely to be scum, or some other random crap gets you over that threshold.
If you have ONE townread, lynching between anyone else is good.

I'm guessing you don't see scumminess as something that scales?

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Off the top of my head.

Ass says he is a new forum mafia player, yet he plays like the biggest douche i've ever seen. But a new forum mafia player instantly asks somebody if they are Mesk.
How did nobody see this giant gaping hole.

Then Koolaid also says he is a new forum mafia player, then he votes Yes a train I started even though he put me as a scumread ? (you remind me of NU when he got lynched D1 as scum on Politico)

Now we have Yes suddenly contributing i'm happy my vote had effect but the train that happened tells me Yes isnt scum.

Then kirianimenofuckingclue name puts on a wall of text making the shittiest accusation of Marksman meanwhile using only her pronouns and basically revealing the COM behind the anon account.

Jesus fuck people

Ram has played like two games on this site, so he's kinda new.

Good point about Koolaid, but try not to bring up players that people may not know.

Yes seems to believe he is right. What he is doing is objectively scummy but I don't read any bad intent from him.

Regarding kirianimu: You thought my accusation of Marksman was bad... but bad how? <- Would like a response to this one.
I used her pronouns because her avatar is a she. Am I blind?

[M-FM Zynonymous]

He shouted an insult as a first post, 10% more likely to be scum, or some other random crap gets you over that threshold.

I doubt scum would want to draw that kind of attention to themselves. I refute that.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

That being said i dont think we got a bad universe of players with some activity we can make this work.

I didnt want sino or dw since i hate readind their logic so

Whats on my mind is 2 things.
Should we discusa what to do when we get a visitor. And all things we discuss can be used by mafia in the other day so how careful should we be

Yeah I hate reasoning with them too.

Should we discuss _____________________________?
Heck yes. Why do you even need to ask?

My thought is that when we get a visitor, we don't lynch them because they are our guests and secondly because the other side chose not to lynch them. So we give them a town handicap or something.

We shouldn't be careful about day chat because..
I don't see a problem letting mafia know what we are discussing.
If we were careful.. how the heck would we do that?
I don't see a problem, I don't see a solution.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I doubt scum would want to draw that kind of attention to themselves. I refute that.

I was explaining it in terms I thought he would understand. How he scum reads other people is a whole another lion.

How about you? Please assess the validity of these statements:
Lurk = Scum
Rude = Town
Slow vote = Scum

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

What should we do when we get a visitor?

How careful should we be in day chat?

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Wanna switch it up?

M-FM Cruise Elroy

Sure.

M-FM Cruise Elroy

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

No you see what you want to see , if you think your play can result in trains you are delusional , pretty much like the illusion you made when you accused Marksman.
I do watch animu :x Oh, and please explain why you don't agree? (repeated in another post)



There is so much wrong with this posts it pings you as scum to me. I'll break it down
First you say Marksman Zealot yes are a group , first of all 2 of them are voting Yes and the same 2 people are some of our most active pre game chatters, You meanwhile made this post your first official post aka YOU HAVE NO INFLUENCE because you decided to do some shitty rp that nobody found funny or appreciated. Then you jump on Yes as the 10th person or something.
Then you feel the need to include Ass in your post. This feels like you are trying to turn the spotlight away from an Ass lynch.


Not that I am currently town reading Kool-Aid, but it seems that you scum read him if he is in cohorts with Ram hehehe, but you don't scum read Ram as well?
Anyway, that's a whole lot of pre-flip association and you might want to reconsider.

[M-FM Marksman]

Ok.. and you dismissed the fact that you didn't engage other people with their questions. A town would have been inquisitive and looked around for answers.
You not doing that means that you don't push the conversation forward.

I've been having conversations all day. All you've done is make bullshit accusations. Now you're voting on Cruise Elroy because...Why?

[M-FM Marksman]

My thought is that when we get a visitor, we don't lynch them because they are our guests and secondly because the other side chose not to lynch them. So we give them a town handicap or something.


I disagree. The other side not lynching them means very little. They might have simply had a better target that day and not known the person would be able to swap universes. Or they may have fully intended to lynch the person, but we managed to get more votes on whoever we decided to lynch that day. Furthermore, even if the visitor was hailed as the towniest towny to ever town in the other universe, they lacked the knowledge that he could switch universes, so we have new information that they did not have. At the very least, all new visitors must claim how they got here. If the person claims to have moved themselves here (enhanced cit) then we should policy lynch them to catch William Bell (unless Bell is dead already).

[M-FM Yes]

Random lynching gets us 2.5/9.
ANYTHING anything, even something like: Lurkers are 10% more likely to be scum. He shouted an insult as a first post, 10% more likely to be scum, or some other random crap gets you over that threshold.
If you have ONE townread, lynching between anyone else is good.

I'm guessing you don't see scumminess as something that scales?

I'm accounting for most reads being incorrect at this stage.

[M-FM Yes]

What should we do when we get a visitor?

How careful should we be in day chat?

1. Ask about the other universe. Ask how they got here. Consider lynching them given their response.
2. Not

[AnassRhamur]

Random lynching gets us 2.5/9.
ANYTHING anything, even something like: Lurkers are 10% more likely to be scum. He shouted an insult as a first post, 10% more likely to be scum, or some other random crap gets you over that threshold.
If you have ONE townread, lynching between anyone else is good.

I like this dude. Has some brains

[AnassRhamur]

Hello friends. Its your friendly neighborhood Anus Rammer.

I think Yes is good. He has the IDGAF if the attention is on me attitude. Is it against the rules to ask where he lives and call his power company to see if there really was a power outage? huehuehue

AlmostLate coming into this universe guns blazing and immediately voting seems tooo suspicious to be suspicious lol. I think he could possibly be voting randomly to gauge someones reaction to being voted?

Koolaid is pretty inactive but i haven't seen him browsing thIS thread. Lets be aware of people who are busy with school/work. I think we can all relate to that and be understanding.

Marksman/Zealot seem like they got friendly. im jealous of their friendship.

Im sorry i know im suppose to do these reads but i don't get why. Its day 1. How am i suppose to contribute without any information

Sorry for the noob questions but i've only substituted very very late in the game for like 12 hours so I don't know how things work. Do evils automatically know their teammates?

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I've been having conversations all day. All you've done is make bullshit accusations. Now you're voting on Cruise Elroy because...Why?

This was yesterday, I'm currently reevaluating today. I'm voting Cruise Elroy just because.

[M-FM Yes]

Hello friends. Its your friendly neighborhood Anus Rammer.

I think Yes is good. He has the IDGAF if the attention is on me attitude. Is it against the rules to ask where he lives and call his power company to see if there really was a power outage? huehuehue

AlmostLate coming into this universe guns blazing and immediately voting seems tooo suspicious to be suspicious lol. I think he could possibly be voting randomly to gauge someones reaction to being voted?

Koolaid is pretty inactive but i haven't seen him browsing thIS thread. Lets be aware of people who are busy with school/work. I think we can all relate to that and be understanding.

Marksman/Zealot seem like they got friendly. im jealous of their friendship.

Im sorry i know im suppose to do these reads but i don't get why. Its day 1. How am i suppose to contribute without any information

Sorry for the noob questions but i've only substituted very very late in the game for like 12 hours so I don't know how things work. Do evils automatically know their teammates?

He's actually been viewing the thread a few times that I've noticed without saying anything lol

[M-FM Marksman]

I'm voting Cruise Elroy just because.

A+ reasoning. Totally not a sheep vote.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I disagree. The other side not lynching them means very little. They might have simply had a better target that day and not known the person would be able to swap universes. Or they may have fully intended to lynch the person, but we managed to get more votes on whoever we decided to lynch that day. Furthermore, even if the visitor was hailed as the towniest towny to ever town in the other universe, they lacked the knowledge that he could switch universes, so we have new information that they did not have. At the very least, all new visitors must claim how they got here. If the person claims to have moved themselves here (enhanced cit) then we should policy lynch them to catch William Bell (unless Bell is dead already).

I keep forgetting that only one universe gets to lynch. Also, after thinking about it, I don't see why an enhanced citizen would want to switch in the first place.

I quite like you mentioning the policy lynching of them. It was mentioned in setup workshop by one of the critiques, but I just can't see why William Bell would want to switch universes. He charges a person in each universe, which means he doesn't need to switch to kill. A possible reason he would switch would be if he came under suspicion, in that event, wouldn't we just simply tell him to switch back to their own universe/ threaten to policy lynch him then? I'd guess it would have to depend on what kind of news they bring.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

A+ reasoning. Totally not a sheep vote.

It's not like I town read Elroy or anything, so this mounts some pressure.

[M-FM Yes]

I keep forgetting that only one universe gets to lynch. Also, after thinking about it, I don't see why an enhanced citizen would want to switch in the first place.

I quite like you mentioning the policy lynching of them. It was mentioned in setup workshop by one of the critiques, but I just can't see why William Bell would want to switch universes. He charges a person in each universe, which means he doesn't need to switch to kill. A possible reason he would switch would be if he came under suspicion, in that event, wouldn't we just simply tell him to switch back to their own universe/ threaten to policy lynch him then? I'd guess it would have to depend on what kind of news they bring.

Just to give info about what's happening in the other universe is the only reason I can think of.

[AnassRhamur]

Since the start of the universes split. Ive already gotten one infraction for language. and a last warning for OGC :<

[M-FM Yes]

Since the start of the universes split. Ive already gotten one infraction for language. and a last warning for OGC :<

FeelsBadMan

[M-FM Almost Late]

Hello hello. Im starting to like kiri more and more with the discussion he is bringing forward good job

Now where i left of before hitting the pub was thinking about a koolaid or cruise lynch. Ill reread em both but im going to place my vote on koolaid simply because he sticks on the yes train that i started but called me scummy. Looks to me like a scum throwing shit at the wall hoping for it to stick.

[M-FM Almost Late]

m-fm Kool-aid

[M-FM Zealot]

16 hours. If we are going to commit to attempt a lynch no we the time to start coalescing votes on a single person. Once I get a moment here soon ill try to review both kool aid and Cruise to see if anything stands out to sway any votes.

If you want to start a new train (anyone) now is the time to do so, not in 10 hours, so we have time to talk about it.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Hi
So apparently almost mate feels like I'm try to show shot to the wall to make it stick??? Uh... just because you started the yes train doesn't mean I'm not allowed to read you both as scum... scum will throw shade on each other which is what I feel your opinion on yes was coming from... now that you see you started a train on a scum mate you're trying to redirect it... even if you're not scum just because I had a scum vs. scum read on your interaction is not something that's alignment indicative.

Anyways I'm removing my vote... at this point i feel it's best that our universe goes into no lynch and let the other universe battle it out. also take advantage if we have a jailpr and such

unvote

[AnassRhamur]

Lets all get to know each other. we can all become friends.

Im Jay. I like motorcycles, Chinese food and im also a recovering Oxycodone addict.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Its interesting that as soon as anybody gets voted they suddenly think lynching is a bad idea and we should leave it to the other universe. Where is toad to tell you all nolynch D1 is scum

[M-FM Zealot]

Hi
So apparently almost mate feels like I'm try to show shot to the wall to make it stick??? Uh... just because you started the yes train doesn't mean I'm not allowed to read you both as scum... scum will throw shade on each other which is what I feel your opinion on yes was coming from... now that you see you started a train on a scum mate you're trying to redirect it... even if you're not scum just because I had a scum vs. scum read on your interaction is not something that's alignment indicative.

Anyways I'm removing my vote... at this point i feel it's best that our universe goes into no lynch and let the other universe battle it out. also take advantage if we have a jailpr and such

unvote

Wtf?

I did a quick iso of Kool Aid. It took 2 minutes as there's literally nothing there except this post:


Okay so on a little productive note. I'm going to place my vote.
[vote]M-FM Yes [vote]
This is someone who hasn't shown anything really since we came into this universe even though it's clear they had a chance. This is someone I wouldn't really like to see at the end of the game either if this is how they're going to act. so I'm going to place my vote there and if they change their demeanor then I may be relevant to change.

This was the third vote on yes and he was all for lynching him to not have him be around til the end of the game and be useless. Yet Anass hasn't been useful, either has Cruise, but he piled on Yes because it was convenient.

The only thing that has changed from then until now is that Kool Aid has votes, nd Yes has been posting and trying. So why not vote for Cruise or Anass? Why all of a sudden go from "you're expendable cause you're a liability" to agreeing with Yes' original argument to no lynch?

M-FM Kool-Aid

[M-FM Zealot]

Lets all get to know each other. we can all become friends.

Im Jay. I like motorcycles, Chinese food and im also a recovering Oxycodone addict.

Put a vote on Kool Aid or you're next.

[M-FM Yes]

Lets all get to know each other. we can all become friends.

Im Jay. I like motorcycles, Chinese food and im also a recovering Oxycodone addict.

Hey Jay, I'm Yesman. I'm the third cog on the bossbot corporate ladder. I like nodding and pleasing the boss.

[M-FM Zealot]

Looks over cruises posts there isn't much interaction with others but there's at least a little substance unlike Kool Aid

[M-FM Almost Late]

Lets all get to know each other. we can all become friends.

Im Jay. I like motorcycles, Chinese food and im also a recovering Oxycodone addict.

Lets hope they replace you soon because at this point im not even reading ur shit anymore


Hey Jay, I'm Yesman. I'm the third cog on the bossbot corporate ladder. I like nodding and pleasing the boss.

Ah Yes i pull my vote of you for a second and here we are again with slowly creeping into nothingness. Don't.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Looks over cruises posts there isn't much interaction with others but there's at least a little substance unlike Kool Aid

Yeah Kool-Aid formed no opinions of his own in any of his posts , this is the feeling i got. He played like an opportunist. And really doesn't seem like an experienced player.
He goes from lynching to nolynching as soon as my vote switches. Thats alot of fear for 1-2 votes.

[M-FM Zealot]

Agreed.

[M-FM Almost Late]

I wish i could multiquote from the other thread to give an ISO of koolaid's posts. But i'll paraphrase what i see and you can comfirm yourself.

The Koolaids:

first 10 posts are worthless talk, no intention of discussing the game. I can forgive this its early game.

Then we have 4-5 of the usual posts about him being new and only apologising for his english, i wonder if this is trolling. He also claims being new
but before that in his 3rd post he referred to Deathworlds as DW i'm unsure if this is pure luck that he uses the acronym we've given DW for years now since its quite common.

After that he comes with a post stating what i said. there beijg 2-3 scum in our universe.

Then he says he sees me and Kyokianime are his scumreads. as quoted here
"Right now I'm thinking Kyoko & almost late.
Kyoko seems to have an attitude but has given minimal worthy input with it. This is in contrast to marksman who has as well an attitude, but at least explains why.
Marksman is probably one of my higher town reads. however I like Zealot as well. I think for pregame its important just to show up... give a little input here and there. I think scum would be more of the "go with the flow" kind of people.... but zealot doesn't seem to be taking other people's shit sooo"

This is the post that gave my initial scum impression of him.

This is basically him in a nutshell but apparantly enough for a scumread

He said this 2 posts earlier "I'm going to agree with Zealot to be honest, a lot of what you say comes out negative or as if you feel superior to others which is as normal thing to question"
Literal 360 from what he says 2 posts after.

Again of the people he scumreads they don't do that this is also such a general statement.

Then i'm never mentioned

This is why Koolaid comes over so fishy to me and thats not even going into detail of his later posts but i have to go for 3 hours so adios.
he only gets scummier after wanting to lynch yes and then no lynch at all this man is going back and forth constantly

[M-FM Almost Late]

The green part he says in reponse to Markman's read list btw.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

You're all a buncha faggots... get it over with... let's vote me

[M-FM Zealot]

You're all a buncha faggots... get it over with... let's vote me

You have 3 votes why are you giving up so quickly?

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Not even gonna claim.... lynch me

[M-FM Zealot]

Well that seals the deal IMO. Even if you're town that's anti town AF so your usefulness is never going to manifest itself anyway.

[M-FM Zealot]

Zerashk Gulida.

[AnassRhamur]

I wish i could multiquote from the other thread to give an ISO of koolaid's posts. But i'll paraphrase what i see and you can comfirm yourself.

The Koolaids:

first 10 posts are worthless talk, no intention of discussing the game. I can forgive this its early game.

Then we have 4-5 of the usual posts about him being new and only apologising for his english, i wonder if this is trolling. He also claims being new
but before that in his 3rd post he referred to Deathworlds as DW i'm unsure if this is pure luck that he uses the acronym we've given DW for years now since its quite common.

After that he comes with a post stating what i said. there beijg 2-3 scum in our universe.

Then he says he sees me and Kyokianime are his scumreads. as quoted here
"Right now I'm thinking Kyoko & almost late.
Kyoko seems to have an attitude but has given minimal worthy input with it. This is in contrast to marksman who has as well an attitude, but at least explains why.
Marksman is probably one of my higher town reads. however I like Zealot as well. I think for pregame its important just to show up... give a little input here and there. I think scum would be more of the "go with the flow" kind of people.... but zealot doesn't seem to be taking other people's shit sooo"

This is the post that gave my initial scum impression of him.

This is basically him in a nutshell but apparantly enough for a scumread

He said this 2 posts earlier "I'm going to agree with Zealot to be honest, a lot of what you say comes out negative or as if you feel superior to others which is as normal thing to question"
Literal 360 from what he says 2 posts after.

Again of the people he scumreads they don't do that this is also such a general statement.

Then i'm never mentioned

This is why Koolaid comes over so fishy to me and thats not even going into detail of his later posts but i have to go for 3 hours so adios.
he only gets scummier after wanting to lynch yes and then no lynch at all this man is going back and forth constantly




do you have a tl;dr version of this?

[M-FM Zealot]

do you have a tl;dr version of this?

tl;dr

Kool aid is scum or anti town. Lynch it.

[AnassRhamur]

tl;dr

Kool aid is scum or anti town. Lynch it.

Thanks boss

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Well that seals the deal IMO. Even if you're town that's anti town AF so your usefulness is never going to manifest itself anyway.

Oh yeah buddy definitely. I agree... you know what else is anti town? having a stick so far shoved up your ass your not open to other options or ideas... so yeah lynch me, it's rather annoying to yes and almost late have there little pow wow... one of them is scum, mark my words...

Anyways

Bye

[AnassRhamur]

anassrhamur

[AnassRhamur]

anassrhamur

[AnassRhamur]

AYyyyyy i got it off memory

[M-FM Zealot]

Oh yeah buddy definitely. I agree... you know what else is anti town? having a stick so far shoved up your ass your not open to other options or ideas... so yeah lynch me, it's rather annoying to yes and almost late have there little pow wow... one of them is scum, mark my words...

Anyways

Bye

Bye Felicia.

[M-FM Marksman]

Hmm. I still don't like Yes at all, but Kool Aid isn't any better and isn't even bothering to defend himself. Giving up so easily doesn't seem like town play to me.

M-FM Kool-Aid

[AnassRhamur]

Hmm. I still don't like Yes at all, but Kool Aid isn't any better and isn't even bothering to defend himself. Giving up so easily doesn't seem like town play to me.

M-FM Kool-Aid

Wouldn't it be more likely to give up if you were town because theres more people to carry you to victory?

[M-FM Zealot]

Wouldn't it be more likely to give up if you were town because theres more people to carry you to victory?

I've personally seen it go either way.

[M-FM Marksman]

Wouldn't it be more likely to give up if you were town because theres more people to carry you to victory?

More likely to give up in general perhaps. But I don't think a townie would give up without claiming a role first. Kool Aid refusing to claim seems like scum who can't think of a good fake claim so is instead milking the defeated town shtick.

[M-FM Yes]

damn are u sure jester isn't in the save guys 4Head

[M-FM Zealot]

damn are u sure jester isn't in the save guys 4Head

My life for Aiur! Do not fear death, for the darkness eventually embraces us all.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Well, things moved fast while I was working. As far as I can tell, Kool-Aid is belly up at this point. Ass is still useless. Zealot, Almost, and Marksman seem to be our strongest players and I'm pretty sure one will end up town leader soon if they haven't already. Kyoko seems to be doing their own thing.

If I had to guess my scum now, I would suspect Kyoko, if only because they tried(and succeeded) to derail the train on Yes, who comes off pretty scummy to me. Could be an attempt to save a weak ally, or could be that they legitimately find me scummy instead.

KoolAid's lynch doesn't make much sense to me. His bellyup seems more like a bored townie (Citizen) or very weak/new player than anything else. I suppose he could also be the William Bell and giving up because he can't see how he can win. Not to mention we're piling up votes on him pretty fast despite earlier concerns that it would be hard to get a good train going on a scum. Are we sure we don't want to discuss this more?

[M-FM Yes]

Nah if this guy is literally going to just give up let's pile him. There's no point in him being in the game.

[M-FM Zealot]

Well, things moved fast while I was working. As far as I can tell, Kool-Aid is belly up at this point. Ass is still useless. Zealot, Almost, and Marksman seem to be our strongest players and I'm pretty sure one will end up town leader soon if they haven't already. Kyoko seems to be doing their own thing.

If I had to guess my scum now, I would suspect Kyoko, if only because they tried(and succeeded) to derail the train on Yes, who comes off pretty scummy to me. Could be an attempt to save a weak ally, or could be that they legitimately find me scummy instead.

KoolAid's lynch doesn't make much sense to me. His bellyup seems more like a bored townie (Citizen) or very weak/new player than anything else. I suppose he could also be the William Bell and giving up because he can't see how he can win. Not to mention we're piling up votes on him pretty fast despite earlier concerns that it would be hard to get a good train going on a scum. Are we sure we don't want to discuss this more?

Of course we can discuss it more. Start talking if that's what you want to do.

This train though formed a lot differently than the train on Yes. I had to practically pull Yes's teeth out to get him to vote for Kool Aid. And I feel good about the other two on the train. I think the chance of this flip being scum is fairly good. That is if our 4 votes are even enough (Anass doesn't even acknowledge me telling him to vote Kool Aid)

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Let me review how the trains formed. If I agree with you, I'll sheep onto Kool-Aid.

[AnassRhamur]

Well, things moved fast while I was working. As far as I can tell, Kool-Aid is belly up at this point. Ass is still useless. Zealot, Almost, and Marksman seem to be our strongest players and I'm pretty sure one will end up town leader soon if they haven't already. Kyoko seems to be doing their own thing.

If I had to guess my scum now, I would suspect Kyoko, if only because they tried(and succeeded) to derail the train on Yes, who comes off pretty scummy to me. Could be an attempt to save a weak ally, or could be that they legitimately find me scummy instead.

KoolAid's lynch doesn't make much sense to me. His bellyup seems more like a bored townie (Citizen) or very weak/new player than anything else. I suppose he could also be the William Bell and giving up because he can't see how he can win. Not to mention we're piling up votes on him pretty fast despite earlier concerns that it would be hard to get a good train going on a scum. Are we sure we don't want to discuss this more?

HOW AM I SUPPOSE TO BE USELESS WITHOUT LEADS WTF? WE HAVE LITERALLY NO LEADS.

I don't understand forum mafia.

[M-FM Zealot]

HOW AM I SUPPOSE TO BE USELESS WITHOUT LEADS WTF? WE HAVE LITERALLY NO LEADS.

I don't understand forum mafia.

Reads in FM is about reading into what people say. Is someone trying to manipulate the game? Are people genuine in what they say? Why are they saying one thing and voting differently, are they purposely avoiding talking about certain players, etc. There's a learning curve but you'll catch on if you try.

[M-FM Zealot]

Pretty much we make our own leads here since we don't have any.

[M-FM Zealot]

For the record I do feel like AR has been genuine in his posts and he has a town vibe about him. Seems pretty lost IMO.

[M-FM Zealot]

For the record I do feel like AR has been genuine in his posts and he has a town vibe about him. Seems pretty lost IMO.

To expand on this I don't feel like he's being coached and the scum have a 24/7 chat.

[M-FM Marksman]

Ram has played like two games on this site, so he's kinda new.

Good point about Koolaid, but try not to bring up players that people may not know.

Yes seems to believe he is right. What he is doing is objectively scummy but I don't read any bad intent from him.

Regarding kirianimu: You thought my accusation of Marksman was bad... but bad how? <- Would like a response to this one.
I used her pronouns because her avatar is a she. Am I blind?


To expand on this I don't feel like he's being coached and the scum have a 24/7 chat.

He could still be William Bell, but I agree that he's probably not mafia and is genuinely new to FM.

[M-FM Marksman]

Woops don't know why that other post was multi-quoted in there. Must have clicked it by accident when I was re-reading earlier.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Baaaa.

M-FM Kool-Aid

[M-FM Almost Late]

You're all a buncha faggots... get it over with... let's vote me


Not even gonna claim.... lynch me


Oh yeah buddy definitely. I agree... you know what else is anti town? having a stick so far shoved up your ass your not open to other options or ideas... so yeah lynch me, it's rather annoying to yes and almost late have there little pow wow... one of them is scum, mark my words...

Anyways

Bye

Pathetic defense, try again.

I was gonna leave it at that, but because you feel inexperienced i'll bite. With this attitude you are hoping we see your hopelessness and just switch votes for more information. Not a bad idea. But i wont let that happen. You call us a bunch of faggots ? I'll tell you what i see, a scum/towny too bad at this game to make his own reads and then getting annoyed like a child when you get schooled for it. You either step up or die. If you are a power role you missplayed. The hopelessness spiele only works if your train is formed without any reason.

Shame for you, you already threw out the hopelessness defense that means, you can't backpaddle, boy that sucks, now your only way out is to claim.
You see the issue , you don't want to claim, But you have too.

And btw i was simply voting different people till somebody fucked up, you did.

So bring me something else than me and Yes being a little scumclub

[M-FM Zynonymous]

You're all a buncha faggots... get it over with... let's vote me

Why would you being giving up so easily? Town or Scum, a useless slot may only hurt us later as it could be ignored

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I don't know if this will prove helpful at all but, at least it's not going to hurt.

Sheep training with the rest....

M-FM Kool-Aid

[M-FM Almost Late]

Last post before i go to bed , a train with 6 people is quite peculiar. But its too late now , we can only hope the other universe doesn't need a pending lynch, but we can't expect that.
Doesn't matter if i'm right or wrong now , i'm expecting a bullet. But i'll leave a nice LW.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Baaaa.

M-FM Kool-Aid


I don't know if this will prove helpful at all but, at least it's not going to hurt.

Sheep training with the rest....

I dislike these votes. Problem with trains too big is that they remove any possibility for the other universe to make a lynch happen.
Tomorrow we should cap trains with certain votes. If nobody in our universe dies. We should cap at (#players of Prime - 3 or 4)
Because if one universe is dwindling in town we are fucking them by making trains this big.