M-FM Fringe: Alternate Universe

[M-FM Almost Late]

Kyoko any last thoughts before i go to bed

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I dislike these votes. Problem with trains too big is that they remove any possibility for the other universe to make a lynch happen.
Tomorrow we should cap trains with certain votes. If nobody in our universe dies. We should cap at (#players of Prime - 3 or 4)
Because if one universe is dwindling in town we are fucking them by making trains this big.

But how do we determine that? If we cap ours, then we could be getting fucked for the same reason.

[M-FM Almost Late]

But how do we determine that? If we cap ours, then we could be getting fucked for the same reason.

Well, because we know how many baddies we've killed. So we know if we stand a chance. If Koolaids is say a doctor who gamethrew and refused to claim, and then i get shot in the face and you die. We only have max 4 townies left.

Now we simply do some thinking and determine a nice cap to put so if the other universe gets a scum for sure. They can lynch. If anybody gets whisked away to prime you should prolly explain them this.

[M-FM Zealot]

I dislike these votes. Problem with trains too big is that they remove any possibility for the other universe to make a lynch happen.
Tomorrow we should cap trains with certain votes. If nobody in our universe dies. We should cap at (#players of Prime - 3 or 4)
Because if one universe is dwindling in town we are fucking them by making trains this big.

First day I don't think that's an issue

I get what you mean moving forward. I didn't think about that before but it makes sense.

[M-FM Almost Late]

You must understand this is also a town failsafe. The votes in both universes work as a sort of equalizer. At the end of the day if one universe is trying to lynch a scum. It will cause a ripple in the other where the scum of the other universe will try to pile on to a player to redirect the lynch. Thats why i hate seeing such late votes from lurkers like you and cruise. On the bright side.

ANY late voter should be taken as a possible scum for this exact reason so townies should try to vote as early as possible. If scum tries to vote early well , town leader should make sure we switch trains a few times during the day.

[M-FM Almost Late]

We have to enforce these rules to cripple scum's information advantage, ofcourse this gets more complicated when we start switching.

[M-FM Almost Late]

1 user browsing ,
Users reading and not posting , or 1 and done posts.
i forgot sc2mafia has turned into lurkertown, i welcome death.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

You must understand this is also a town failsafe. The votes in both universes work as a sort of equalizer. At the end of the day if one universe is trying to lynch a scum. It will cause a ripple in the other where the scum of the other universe will try to pile on to a player to redirect the lynch. Thats why i hate seeing such late votes from lurkers like you and cruise. On the bright side.

ANY late voter should be taken as a possible scum for this exact reason so townies should try to vote as early as possible. If scum tries to vote early well , town leader should make sure we switch trains a few times during the day.

Your logic is a little flawed though. Scum would know this and try to vote ahead of time instead of late.... So much WIFOM...

[M-FM Yes]

Zynonymous in offline mode eh? I see how it is.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

1 user browsing ,
Users reading and not posting , or 1 and done posts.
i forgot sc2mafia has turned into lurkertown, i welcome death.

There are no guests. This is a private Thread. Just a simple lurker or slow typer.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Zynonymous in offline mode eh? I see how it is.

If I wasn't in offline mode, there wouldn't be a point in have an anon account. I want my COM to be unexpected.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Oh and I completely admitted that I've lurked a few times during the day. Taking the time to analyze and post is difficult with busy days.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

If I hadn't voted and he flipped scum, you'd say I was scummy and misdirecting and not voting my teammate. If I vote late after a reasoned analysis, you say I'm sheeping and scummy. What does it take to please you?

[M-FM Zealot]

If I hadn't voted and he flipped scum, you'd say I was scummy and misdirecting and not voting my teammate. If I vote late after a reasoned analysis, you say I'm sheeping and scummy. What does it take to please you?

Why do you care so much about pleasing him? Didn't you find him scummy?

[M-FM Zealot]

Guys the Cubs are actually gonna do it. Turn on your TV, history is being made

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Why do you care so much about pleasing him? Didn't you find him scummy?

My statement is to be taken in a context of, "You're arguing in such a way that anything you see can mean anything you want it to." At which point, all of it means nothing.

[M-FM Zealot]

Guys the Cubs are actually gonna do it. Turn on your TV, history is being made

I fucking jynxed them

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

This is quite comical... if I have 6 votes on me there's no way I could be scum... use your fucking logic. There's 9 people so 3 votes left...... 1 is my vote, the others is thugs and the other is placed on someone else. You guys are absolutely retarded. At this point I'm basically confirmed town. morons.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Also let's take a moment here to analyze the people who hopped on the Yes train as we then decided I was better...
You guys come after me for being a flipflopper but half of you flopped yourselves

[M-FM Zealot]

Also let's take a moment here to analyze the people who hopped on the Yes train as we then decided I was better...
You guys come after me for being a flipflopper but half of you flopped yourselves

You decided not to claim or try. You said you wouldn't come back. You lied. Goodbye.

[M-FM Yes]

You could be William tell. You basically said you wouldn't be helping town already. I'm not sure why you're upset with us when you told us you wouldn't even try.

[M-FM Yes]

The "there are too many votes on me for me to be scum" argument is a pretty awful one.

[M-FM Zealot]

You could be William tell. You basically said you wouldn't be helping town already. I'm not sure why you're upset with us when you told us you wouldn't even try.

There be overtures in the game?

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

If the Cubs win, it's been nice knowing you all. See you in the next world. :P

[M-FM Marksman]

I dislike these votes. Problem with trains too big is that they remove any possibility for the other universe to make a lynch happen.
Tomorrow we should cap trains with certain votes. If nobody in our universe dies. We should cap at (#players of Prime - 3 or 4)
Because if one universe is dwindling in town we are fucking them by making trains this big.

I disagree. Capping votes or assuming that high vote totals = mislynch are both stupid because of how easily mafia can exploit it. All they have to do is vote up their mafia buddies when they're on the chopping block and they won't get lynched.

[M-FM Zealot]

I disagree. Capping votes or assuming that high vote totals = mislynch are both stupid because of how easily mafia can exploit it. All they have to do is vote up their mafia buddies when they're on the chopping block and they won't get lynched.

He means if we lynch every time we may fuck over the other universe from lynching a scum. Say they're 3 town 2 scum, and we steal the lynch. Scum might kills and they're 2-2. That's what he's referring two. Maybe we put 3 votes on our top suspect - scum can't beat that and we don't trump the other universe if they need to lynch.

[M-FM Zealot]

Might kills and two instead of to. I must be tired.

[M-FM Yes]

There be overtures in the game?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tell whoops

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

I'm a vigi
Read it and wheep boys
RIP me

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I'm a vigi
Read it and wheep boys
RIP me

Even if this is true, it's far too late to abandon the train. Your only hope at this point is that the other side has voted more than we have.

Also, a bad vigi is more likely to harm town than help it, so I am still ok with this lynch.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Even if this is true, it's far too late to abandon the train. Your only hope at this point is that the other side has voted more than we have.

Also, a bad vigi is more likely to harm town than help it, so I am still ok with this lynch.

Lmfao you think I give a fuck? the only reason ehy I'm here is cause superjack told me I would get a town role. Morons. BTW I'm not new. I figured I would make this my last FM hoorah... regardless if I'm a shifty player bad attitude blah blah blah... you're all still morons... except thug of course

Love you booo <3

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

The only person here who's moderately chill is zynonymous && of course thug.
No you wanna lynch me you get to hear my shot posting for the next 20 minutes until eod

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Even if this is true, it's far too late to abandon the train. Your only hope at this point is that the other side has voted more than we have.

Also, a bad vigi is more likely to harm town than help it, so I am still ok with this lynch.

Lmfao "your only hope is of the other side has more votes" SO FUCKING REMOVE YOUR VOTE YOU LITTLE BITCH, GOD DAMN THE AMOUNT OF AUTISM IS REAL HERE... I'M A FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWNIE

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

"Kool aids anti town" fuck outta here... YOU HAVE NO BRAIN CELLS IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE ME HAVING 6 VOTES MEANS THERES NO WAY I'M SCUM... so regardless if I'm a shitty cunt, who the fuck cares. Remove your vote. I'm clearly being pushed cause scum don't like what's going on on the ohwr side

[M-FM Yes]

Lmfao "your only hope is of the other side has more votes" SO FUCKING REMOVE YOUR VOTE YOU LITTLE BITCH, GOD DAMN THE AMOUNT OF AUTISM IS REAL HERE... I'M A FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWNIE

how are you confirmed? you're confirmable.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

how are you confirmed? you're confirmable.

DUDE THE FUCKING VOTE COUNT CONFIRMS ME. THUG WOULD NEVER VOTE ME, I'M NOT VOTING AND THERES ANOTHER VOTE ON SOMEONE ELSE. THAT'S 3 VOTES OUT OF 9 PEOPLE. ALL OTHER 6 ARE ON ME. SO UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING MY SCUM BUDDIES ARE THUG AND WHOEVER VOTES CRUISE OR BOTH MY SCUM BUDDIES THINK I'M THAT RETARDED THAT I MUST BE THROWN UNDER THE BUS... THEN I AM A FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWNIE

[M-FM Yes]

DUDE THE FUCKING VOTE COUNT CONFIRMS ME. THUG WOULD NEVER VOTE ME, I'M NOT VOTING AND THERES ANOTHER VOTE ON SOMEONE ELSE. THAT'S 3 VOTES OUT OF 9 PEOPLE. ALL OTHER 6 ARE ON ME. SO UNLESS YOU'RE SAYING MY SCUM BUDDIES ARE THUG AND WHOEVER VOTES CRUISE OR BOTH MY SCUM BUDDIES THINK I'M THAT RETARDED THAT I MUST BE THROWN UNDER THE BUS... THEN I AM A FUCKING CONFIRMED TOWNIE

If I unvote will you shoot Marksman?

[M-FM Yes]

You have to shoot someone if you survive.

[M-FM Yes]

Otherwise you're dying d2 every time unless you get swapped to the other universe.

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

Otherwise you're dying d2 every time unless you get swapped to the other universe.

Dude i'll shoot whoever you guys want me to shoot no problem... cats out of the bag now

[M-FM Yes]

:gun:TriHard

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

.... so are you gonna unvote or what buddy

[M-FM Yes]

.... so are you gonna unvote or what buddy

throw me some pepes and i'll unvote you

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

FeelsBirthdayManFeelsAmazingMan

[M-FM Yes]

M-FM Marksman
FeelsGoodMan

[M-FM Yes]

Now if zealot changes his vote you might have a chance PogChamp

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

M-FM Marksman
FeelsGoodMan

Respect fam

[M-FM Kool-Aid]

He doesn't need to change his vote. Just unvote.

[M-FM Yes]

He doesn't need to change his vote. Just unvote.

that would be changing his vote EleGiggle

[M-FM Yes]

about a minute left.. D=

[Forum Mafia GM]

M-FM Kool-Aid has been lynched. Their role was Citizen.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Welcome to N1!

If you have a night action, please submit it at least an hour before night ends.

Living Players:
1. M-FM Kyokokirigiri
2. M-FM Yes
3. M-FM Zealot
4. M-FM Zynonymous
5. M-FM Almost Late
6. AnassRhamur
7. M-FM Cruise Elroy
8. M-FM Marksman

Dead Players:
1. M-FM Kool-Aid - Citizen

00:23:00:00

[Forum Mafia GM]

Welcome to D2!

No one died in this universe last night.

Living Players:
1. M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri
2. M-FM Yes
3. M-FM Zealot
4. M-FM Zynonymous
5. M-FM Almost Late
6. AnassRhamur
7. M-FM Cruise Elroy
8. M-FM Marksman

Dead Players:
1. M-FM Kool-Aid - Citizen

01:22:00:00

[M-FM Zealot]

30 seconds late, slackers

[M-FM Zealot]

I have no regrets about the Kool Aid lynch. One of the most anti town plays I've ever seen. Even if he was a vig, didn't like the deal to shoot Marksman after refusing to claim all day and literally fake claiming in the 11th hour. Good that we got rid of him. No way I would have gone along with that.

[Forum Mafia GM]

30 seconds late, slackers
I'm sorry. :sad:

[M-FM Zealot]

AND the feedback was sent AFTER day start. Tsk.

[M-FM Yes]

no feedback

[M-FM Yes]

well i received feedback that i had no feedback 4Head

[M-FM Marksman]

M-FM Yes

Still think he's scum. Especially after that bullshit at the end of the day where he tried to convince the "vigilante" to shoot me in exchange for an unvote.

A shame about Kool Aid, but he brought it on himself.

[M-FM Marksman]

Also interesting to note that no one in this universe was night killed. That means either the mafia were more worried about someone in the other chat or someone in here was healed. Or the kill target was here, but the kill was somehow redirected so someone in the other universe.

[M-FM Marksman]

Oh, and no feedback to report.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

No feedback to report.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Won't be here long because it's late as fuck for me, but I figured you should all get that at least.

[M-FM Zealot]

The plan is to give the other universe a chance to lynch today right? So agree on someone, put 3 votes and nobody else votes at day end?

Unless of course we get some pretty substantial feedback or something.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

The plan is to give the other universe a chance to lynch today right? So agree on someone, put 3 votes and nobody else votes at day end?

Unless of course we get some pretty substantial feedback or something.

I don't remember this being brought up before. I mean, it's not a bad idea, but I certainly don't recall anyone planning it explicitly before now.

[M-FM Zealot]

I mean lets think about it this way. If scum feels more threatened over there, they might be onto something. So let the town over there follow through.

A heal or redirect or something here is possible as well nut less likely simply looking at probability.

[M-FM Zealot]

I don't remember this being brought up before. I mean, it's not a bad idea, but I certainly don't recall anyone planning it explicitly before now.

Almost late talked about it late day 1. Put a cap on our votes so if they are undecided over there we still lynch but otherwise we don't cock block them from lynching scum

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

As said. I didn't think it was a bad idea, but you shouldn't act like something like that was already agreed upon when it, you know. Wasn't.

[M-FM Zealot]

As said. I didn't think it was a bad idea, but you shouldn't act like something like that was already agreed upon when it, you know. Wasn't.

Well I view Almost Late as town leader so... Yeah I'm willing to follow his plan. Makes sense FMPOV

[AnassRhamur]

whats no feedback mean?

Nothing happened to me?

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

whats no feedback mean?

Nothing happened to me?

Means nothing happened that you get feedback from. So if someone DID do something you you, such as a sheriff checking you, they don't leave feedback.

[M-FM Yes]

M-FM Yes

Still think he's scum. Especially after that bullshit at the end of the day where he tried to convince the "vigilante" to shoot me in exchange for an unvote.

A shame about Kool Aid, but he brought it on himself.

Yeah unvoting a town player who was pretty clearly town at days end in exchange for potentially confirming a town role and shooting someone I scum read is really scummy. :thinking:

[M-FM Yes]

I'd like to hear from Zealot. Why didn't you unvote at days end? You were browsing the thread for a solid 10 minutes or so and refused to post to even acknowledge me talking to you.

[M-FM Marksman]

Not sure about the whole "vote cap" thing. For one thing, we have no way of knowing that scum feels more threatened over there, as I said above, there are many possible explanations for the lack of a kill here. Furthermore, if the mafia really does feel more threatened over there, that might mean we need the lynch even more than the other universe does. Plus, what if they have the same thought, and decide they want to let us lynch the same day we try to let them lynch? Then we might have equally low vote totals on people which means no one gets lynched, which is generally bad for us.

And anyway I don't think we ever want to commit to no-lynching because it makes our votes into empty threats. The one thing we have to pressure people with is our votes and the threat of a lynch, but if a person knows we won't lynch them because we've decided it's the main universe's turn to lynch, then they're not going to feel pressure to claim or defend themselves.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Then we might have equally low vote totals on people which means no one gets lynched, which is generally bad for us.


False, if both universes split a tie, someone in the tie gets lynched.

[M-FM Yes]

Vote capping seems like an easy way for scum to control the vote; they can say the same thing in the other universe and control who gets lynched between each universe.

[M-FM Yes]

M-FM Cruise Elroy
I'm fine with the other universe lynching today though. Unless we get additional information involving feedback today.

[M-FM Marksman]

Yeah unvoting a town player who was pretty clearly town at days end in exchange for potentially confirming a town role and shooting someone I scum read is really scummy. :thinking:

He was not "pretty clearly town". If he was, you wouldn't have voted him in the first place. Your "scum read" on me is bullshit to begin with since you have yet to actually provide any reasoning behind it or any of your other "scum reads" for that matter.

Also it's not a town move to unvote at the end of the day. If it was really that obvious to you that he was town and you were actually town then you wouldn't have voted him and you would have tried to convince others not to as well. Your unvote wasn't a town move at all. You unvoted because you knew he would most likely flip town (because you're mafia and know who the other mafia members are) so that you could act holier-than-thou and try to get town-cred for being the "lone towny who tried to save the poor innocent citizen". I'm not buying it.

[M-FM Marksman]

Vote capping seems like an easy way for scum to control the vote; they can say the same thing in the other universe and control who gets lynched between each universe.

I... Actually agree with you on this. ugh wtf

[M-FM Yes]

He was not "pretty clearly town". If he was, you wouldn't have voted him in the first place. Your "scum read" on me is bullshit to begin with since you have yet to actually provide any reasoning behind it or any of your other "scum reads" for that matter.

Also it's not a town move to unvote at the end of the day. If it was really that obvious to you that he was town and you were actually town then you wouldn't have voted him and you would have tried to convince others not to as well. Your unvote wasn't a town move at all. You unvoted because you knew he would most likely flip town (because you're mafia and know who the other mafia members are) so that you could act holier-than-thou and try to get town-cred for being the "lone towny who tried to save the poor innocent citizen". I'm not buying it.

I guess I'm not allowed to change my opinion based on what is said. :thinking:

[M-FM Yes]

I saw nothing wrong with allowing them to live another day if they were a confirmable town role like they were claiming so I had no problem unvoting. I'm just curious why zealot didn't unvote after they claimed.

[M-FM Marksman]

I guess I'm not allowed to change my opinion based on what is said. :thinking:

No. That isn't what I said. Please read it again and respond to what I actually said.


I saw nothing wrong with allowing them to live another day if they were a confirmable town role like they were claiming so I had no problem unvoting. I'm just curious why zealot didn't unvote after they claimed.

Is vigilante confirmable though? When someone is killed at night, is the cause of death (ie. killed by mafia, by william bell, by vigilant, etc.) revealed at daybreak?

[M-FM Yes]

No. That isn't what I said. Please read it again and respond to what I actually said.



Is vigilante confirmable though? When someone is killed at night, is the cause of death (ie. killed by mafia, by william bell, by vigilant, etc.) revealed at daybreak?

I'm not really sure what you're not understanding. "He was not "pretty clearly town". If he was, you wouldn't have voted him in the first place." This implies that my opinion is static. It changed which is why I unvoted. That's like your entire argument and it's a pretty bad one.

[M-FM Marksman]

I'm not really sure what you're not understanding. "He was not "pretty clearly town". If he was, you wouldn't have voted him in the first place." This implies that my opinion is static. It changed which is why I unvoted. That's like your entire argument and it's a pretty bad one.

If you changed your mind at the end of the day, then you can't say he was "pretty clearly town", as that implies that it was obvious all along. And if it was really obvious all along, and you were town, you would have behaved in the way I described. Since you did not, I can surmise that you are not town.

If this was really a simple change of heart on your part, why would you make it seem as though you knew all along by saying things like "he was pretty clearly town"? Why not just say "I changed my mind"?

[M-FM Yes]

If you changed your mind at the end of the day, then you can't say he was "pretty clearly town", as that implies that it was obvious all along. And if it was really obvious all along, and you were town, you would have behaved in the way I described. Since you did not, I can surmise that you are not town.

If this was really a simple change of heart on your part, why would you make it seem as though you knew all along by saying things like "he was pretty clearly town"? Why not just say "I changed my mind"?

"pretty clearly town at days end" would saying "by days end" have been better? You're just nitpicking lol

[M-FM Yes]

Their attitude towards the game earned my vote more than anything else they did which was another factor in unvoting if that helps you understand.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Morning

I cant believe he came back last night to make a few capslock posts and do a shitty vig claim. Especially since we seem to be an EU favored universe and nobody is going to be on at 4 am.

In the end it felt like a bad lynch but without it we would have even more questions. But when i saw 6 votes i could predict the flip.

So for today. We have no visitors and no nks, im suprised and i think its a mistake for maf but maybe the other town leader just bit the dust.

I reread last day and i have the unlucky quality of seeing everything as scum. I disliked the late votes by zyn and cruise because they felt out of place. Also zyn made no further discussion.

I was also amazed how zealot was pushing the lynch till the end. But i wouldnt have been too happy with kool showing up so late.

Thats it for now

[M-FM Almost Late]

Also its day2 now i want everybody to give their reads. I dont need a big list but top 2/3 town and scum reads would be appreciated

[M-FM Marksman]

Also its day2 now i want everybody to give their reads. I dont need a big list but top 2/3 town and scum reads would be appreciated

Are you really going to ask everyone to do something and then not do it yourself? Come on, man.

[M-FM Marksman]

OrpZed I see you browsing this thread, answer my question pls

[M-FM Almost Late]

Are you really going to ask everyone to do something and then not do it yourself? Come on, man.

Yes and if you paid attention to my frustration you would know why.

This universe can't make its own thoughts , i've seen my thoughts reformulated a bunch and its a prime reason why i won't give mine first.
I want other people to say their reads so i can see if they are actually playing and not sheeping.

[M-FM Zealot]

I'd like to hear from Zealot. Why didn't you unvote at days end? You were browsing the thread for a solid 10 minutes or so and refused to post to even acknowledge me talking to you.

I didn't feel the need to drop what I was doing to respond. The claim was shitty, and even if he was vig, a trade to save an extremely anti town player to kill a pro town player (Marksman) is not a trade I'd make any day.

[M-FM Zealot]

The only people I clearly town read are Almost Late, Marksman, and AR.

Yes is a slight town read, I disagree with his methodology but he does seem to be thinking from a town perspective.

Cruise is admittedly sheeping and its hard to say whether that's a town or scum move or not. I don't feel like he's given off many scum vibes but there's not a lot of content so he could be flying under the radar.

Zyn... Honestly for a while I forgot this player was playing and I don't like that.

Kyoto though appears to be floating along. They started the game talking about mechanics, asking pointless questions about universe mechanics, sheeping votes, admittedly sheeping votes and then flat out refusing to talk about the Kool Aid train even though they "didn't town read Kool Aid". Doesn't look good to me.

M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Good evening.

I'm still not following with any plan on how we can regulate our lynches with the other universe. We can put on a cap as suggested before, but what if that prevents us from removing scum?

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Also, I had no feedback last night.

[Forum Mafia GM]

When someone is killed at night, is the cause of death (ie. killed by mafia, by william bell, by vigilant, etc.) revealed at daybreak?
No.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Good evening.

I'm still not following with any plan on how we can regulate our lynches with the other universe. We can put on a cap as suggested before, but what if that prevents us from removing scum?

The entire premise is that we self regulate so the other universe has a chance if things go south , not to fuck us.
If we find a scum we lynch a scum, no need to regulate. But if we don't find scum then we mind want to think about not pooling 7 votes on a person. The only reason this is needed is if the other universe has 5 votes and we have 4 , then scum can just sheep votes on the pile.

Its interesting you don't understand this considering you have done just this yesterday.

[M-FM Almost Late]

The only people I clearly town read are Almost Late, Marksman, and AR.

Yes is a slight town read, I disagree with his methodology but he does seem to be thinking from a town perspective.

Cruise is admittedly sheeping and its hard to say whether that's a town or scum move or not. I don't feel like he's given off many scum vibes but there's not a lot of content so he could be flying under the radar.

Zyn... Honestly for a while I forgot this player was playing and I don't like that.

Kyoto though appears to be floating along. They started the game talking about mechanics, asking pointless questions about universe mechanics, sheeping votes, admittedly sheeping votes and then flat out refusing to talk about the Kool Aid train even though they "didn't town read Kool Aid". Doesn't look good to me.

M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri

You read alot of people as town, and i disagree with your read on AR.

Agree with Yes , would hate to see this person flip scum since he was almost lynched.

Now you give Cruise and Zyn a pass but focus on Kyoko. In my memory Kyoko was the only person to not sheep instantly but instead go against the town. I If you want to make a train you will have to do more than give some blanket statements. Give me some quotes of him actually doing these things.

[M-FM Zealot]

You read alot of people as town, and i disagree with your read on AR.

Agree with Yes , would hate to see this person flip scum since he was almost lynched.

Now you give Cruise and Zyn a pass but focus on Kyoko. In my memory Kyoko was the only person to not sheep instantly but instead go against the town. I If you want to make a train you will have to do more than give some blanket statements. Give me some quotes of him actually doing these things.

I didn't give a pass to anyone. 3 town reads and 1 town lean isn't a lot of town reads either.

Ill get some quotes for you in a second, bit busy atm.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Thats fine , i appreciate the effort you put in compared to the rest.
Scum don't need to be active , before we kill off all lurkers we will have lost already.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

The entire premise is that we self regulate so the other universe has a chance if things go south , not to fuck us.
If we find a scum we lynch a scum, no need to regulate. But if we don't find scum then we mind want to think about not pooling 7 votes on a person. The only reason this is needed is if the other universe has 5 votes and we have 4 , then scum can just sheep votes on the pile.

Its interesting you don't understand this considering you have done just this yesterday.

Koolaid wasn't considered scum, just a uselss slot. In his case that would be a vote you are suggesting we would regulate, yes?

So basically in your eyes, we wasted everything on him.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Koolaid wasn't considered scum, just a uselss slot. In his case that would be a vote you are suggesting we would regulate, yes?

So basically in your eyes, we wasted everything on him.

I have no clue who you are and its annoying me greatly because i can't think of anybody who is so obsessed with details.
Or taking such assumptions for that matter. Matter of pact i'm thinking you are just playing scum advocate here.

Koolaid was considered scum, but it turned out he was a useless citizen, like most people here.

I will give you one more example: say universe A has found a scum, but they only have 4 town compared to our 8 people.
We should not go above 3 votes because they can never lynch that scum. Because scum will likely try to pile 5 votes in our universe.
Thats why big trains should be held under scrutiny.

[M-FM Yes]

I didn't feel the need to drop what I was doing to respond. The claim was shitty, and even if he was vig, a trade to save an extremely anti town player to kill a pro town player (Marksman) is not a trade I'd make any day.

What do you mean drop what you were doing? You were already reading the thread lol. So you're saying potentially lynching one of the four tpr in this setup on d1 is better than confirming the slot and killing another random player?

[M-FM Yes]

I guess it'll take a bit to know for sure, but I'm guessing William Bell is in our Universe.

[M-FM Yes]

What do you think about the possibility of scum hitting William Bell last night? How do you think they would handle him?

[M-FM Zealot]

What do you mean drop what you were doing? You were already reading the thread lol. So you're saying potentially lynching one of the four tpr in this setup on d1 is better than confirming the slot and killing another random player?

I follow the game on my phone while doing other things.

And yes, I'd rather lynch a shitty vig claim who refused to claim or play for hours yet showed up at last second to try to survive last second. And when he doesn't shoot anyone and isn't confirmed? What happens today? He's lynched for lying. He fake claimed as citizen to try to save himself. You seem to forget how extremely anti town that was.

[M-FM Marksman]

No.


What do you mean drop what you were doing? You were already reading the thread lol. So you're saying potentially lynching one of the four tpr in this setup on d1 is better than confirming the slot and killing another random player?

The answer above means that even if he had been vigilante and had shot me, he would not have been confirmed.


What do you think about the possibility of scum hitting William Bell last night? How do you think they would handle him?

That is a possibility I had forgotten about. I think unlike most setups where the mafia want to let the neutral killer run rampant for as long as possible to keep the KPN up, in this one the mafia are going to want to turn him in because if they allow him to get to the point where he is one of the last people remaining in a universe, it collapses and he wins. And since his kills depend on other people's night actions, they're not as steady and predictable as a typical SK or something. So the longer he's alive, the higher chance that there will just be a single night with a mass chain reaction of charge deaths that collapse a universe. The sooner he's dealt with, the sooner that is no longer a concern.

[M-FM Zealot]

There's no way to quote day 1 but you can click on Kyokos username and see all the posts together.

Post 184 Kyoko sheep's my vote on Cruise, no explanation given. Post 185 they mention that they do t town read Kool Aid. They don't talk about Kool Aid again the rest of the day.

Post 192 they admit they are voting Cruise "just because"

Post 195 more game mechanics. Post 196 justifies vote for Cruise as pressure.

That's it for them the rest of the day. Their posts before those mentioned here:

181-183 mechanics/strategy/general mafia discussion

Before that... Actually reviewing before that there was more substance that I just had forgot about so

[M-FM Zealot]

Ill have to think about this more in a few hours. Ill try to follow along here on my phone though.

[M-FM Yes]

I'm down with an AR or cruise vote today. I like letting the other universe lynch today considering they either were hit with a kill or scum hit William/were roleblocked. Either way it seems like nothing visible happened here last night.

[AnassRhamur]

Im not the one that went lynch happy and lynched a citizen.

Also Yes, i see how it is. Town goes after you and i try defending you and you go and do dis shit. I see how it is. Keep one eye open when you sleep nig im coming for you. As long as you live within 500 miles from me i aint opposed to breaking your knees.

[M-FM Yes]

Im not the one that went lynch happy and lynched a citizen.

Also Yes, i see how it is. Town goes after you and i try defending you and you go and do dis shit. I see how it is. Keep one eye open when you sleep nig im coming for you. As long as you live within 500 miles from me i aint opposed to breaking your knees.

You haven't actually done anything. I didn't even say that we should lynch you. lol

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I gave my reads yesterday, and they haven't substantially changed, but I'll post them here again.

1. M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri: Trying way too hard to seem useful and to pressure me. Scumread.
2. M-FM Yes: Lean scum, but not married to the idea.
3. M-FM Zealot: Town lean.
4. M-FM Zynonymous: Can't read.
5. M-FM Almost Late: Town leader.
6. AnassRhamur: Useless. Possibly flying under the radar, but more likely just doesn't know how to play.
8. M-FM Marksman: Clearly trying to be a strong town player, but I'm not entirely sure I buy it.

[AnassRhamur]

Hey did you guys realize im the only non anon account lol

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I'm down with an AR or cruise vote today. I like letting the other universe lynch today considering they either were hit with a kill or scum hit William/were roleblocked. Either way it seems like nothing visible happened here last night.

So.... I'm guessing your one that just wants someone to die... Noted.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Did nothing really happen last night to anyone?

[M-FM Yes]

So.... I'm guessing your one that just wants someone to die... Noted.

What?

[M-FM Marksman]

Hmm. I'm liking yes more today than I did yesterday. Not sure about him anymore.

Also did Zyn have a stroke or something?

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

If we're going to pressure anyone today, we need to get it in gear.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri

[M-FM Marksman]

Yeah, I've been waiting for others to show up and give their thoughts, but it's been a very slow day today...

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

Well, I put my vote on my top scumread. I'll see how they react; for now I'm going to bed.

[M-FM Almost Late]

Im off to Aachen for 2 days. I wont be here except for those 10 mins i find time and i guess if the game goes this slow i can get a response.
Don't lose the game while i'm gone. Bye

[M-FM Zealot]

So is Kyoko being replaced?

[AnassRhamur]

What if by sheer luck all the mafia were in the other universe lol

[M-FM Yes]

I'm kind of okay with how the vote totals are looking for today but the lack of discussion is kind of sad.

[M-FM Marksman]

I'm kind of okay with how the vote totals are looking for today but the lack of discussion is kind of sad.

Yeah, that's not looking great for us. I wonder if the other universe is more active.

[M-FM Marksman]

On the flip side, I guess the other universe gets to lynch today.

[M-FM Yes]

On the flip side, I guess the other universe gets to lynch today.

Yeah but it's kind of hard to get a feel for everyone when no one posts :(

[M-FM Marksman]

Yeah but it's kind of hard to get a feel for everyone when no one posts :(

Same :(

[M-FM Zealot]

You all act surprised. I'm not surprised.

[M-FM Zealot]

It doesn't help that only one universe can lynch each day.

That being said we should have at least 3 votes on someone. I would hate it if scum told the others universe to so the same as here and someone gets lynched with one vote.

M-FM Zynonymous

[M-FM Zealot]

I expect Kyoko to be replaced. Zyn however has posted enough to not be modkilled but not enough to stand out as someone actually playing. And I really really don't like that.

[M-FM Zealot]

I implore 2 people to join me in this fail safe vote on Zyn.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

I implore 2 people to join me in this fail safe vote on Zyn.

I would help out, but it seems self votes don't work here.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

It doesn't help that only one universe can lynch each day.

That being said we should have at least 3 votes on someone. I would hate it if scum told the others universe to so the same as here and someone gets lynched with one vote.

M-FM Zynonymous

Any justification to go along with a lynch?

[M-FM Marksman]

I implore 2 people to join me in this fail safe vote on Zyn.

I will if you can convince me that he's a good lynch target. I haven't seen much of a case against him and while I don't trust him, that isn't really saying much as I don't really trust anyone at the moment.

[M-FM Zealot]

I will if you can convince me that he's a good lynch target. I haven't seen much of a case against him and while I don't trust him, that isn't really saying much as I don't really trust anyone at the moment.

He's not a lynch target he's a fail safe in case the other universe doesn't lynch.

[M-FM Zealot]

I guess 1 vote on 3 people works too I just don't want scum to last minute pile 2 votes on me or you or almost late and we get lynched because there aren't any votes and the other universe has no votes either.

[M-FM Zealot]

Like nobody is thinking through the potential problem with not having votes.

[M-FM Zealot]

If no one else joins me on Zyn by days end ill probably put my vote on Cruise or Koyoto just in case.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

You're going to accuse me of sheeping again, but I would agree that we should put votes on someone useful rather than someone liable to be replaced out, and Zynonymous is way too quiet.

M-FM Zynonymous

However, if Zyn dies and flips town, I might have to look at Zealot a bit harder, since that'd put him as in the front on two mislynches.

[M-FM Zealot]

You're going to accuse me of sheeping again, but I would agree that we should put votes on someone useful rather than someone liable to be replaced out, and Zynonymous is way too quiet.

M-FM Zynonymous

However, if Zyn dies and flips town, I might have to look at Zealot a bit harder, since that'd put him as in the front on two mislynches.

Max 3 votes. He won't by lynched (that's the idea anyway)

[M-FM Marksman]

He's not a lynch target he's a fail safe in case the other universe doesn't lynch.

Failsafe and lynch target are effectively the same thing. We're giving priority to the main universe, but if they decide not to use it or can't get enough votes onto a single person, our votes determine who will be lynched. So before putting my vote on a "failsafe" I need to know why I should be ok with them being lynched in the event that it ends up going through.

[M-FM Marksman]

And "too quiet" isn't enough of a reason. If someone is too quiet they'll get modkilled. Or we can leave them for a vigilante. No need to waste lynches on them.

[M-FM Zealot]

And "too quiet" isn't enough of a reason. If someone is too quiet they'll get modkilled. Or we can leave them for a vigilante. No need to waste lynches on them.

I don't see you suggesting any alternatives

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Hello, sorry I wasn't here for most of the while. I'll be here for a few hours till the end of the day or something.

[M-FM Zealot]

Hello, sorry I wasn't here for most of the while. I'll be here for a few hours till the end of the day or something.

More than 36 hours this day alone.

[M-FM Marksman]

I don't see you suggesting any alternatives

That's not how this works. If you want my vote, convince me I should give it to you. Saying that I haven't suggested an alternative, while a true statement, is not a compelling argument and will get you nowhere.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

More than 36 hours this day alone.

I'm tired.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Quick conclusion after catching up:
Cruise is my wanted lynch target.
Yes became a stronger town read.
Everyone else except Zealot and Marksman got a +1 scum reading. Including myself.
I'm against voting today. I ask that you unvote.

Follow up posts will explain how I got here. Provided that I don't fall asleep.

No feedback of significance.
I'm sure I'm missing something.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

And I think I would have considered unvoting Kool Aid yesterday after he claimed vig. I see that target of Marksman to either be a reaction test or a soft way to protect her. And the vig kill could have been sorted out today with either a death more likely being a scum (and he would claim his kill) or a vig him onto him.

The fact that no one in this universe died today probably means there was a kill on the other side. Can't imagine why scum would no-kill other than forgetting their action, and if someone was healed here then yay. Just going to work with this assumption.

[M-FM Zealot]

That's not how this works. If you want my vote, convince me I should give it to you. Saying that I haven't suggested an alternative, while a true statement, is not a compelling argument and will get you nowhere.

This is nonsense. If you disagree with who I'm putting up, present an alternative and vote them. Honestly what are you even trying to do here other than be a roadblock?

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I guess it'll take a bit to know for sure, but I'm guessing William Bell is in our Universe.

How do you figure this?


What do you think about the possibility of scum hitting William Bell last night? How do you think they would handle him?

No idea.

[M-FM Zealot]

See y'all next day.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

See y'all next day.

No come back D: I'm working through my posts.
I have a few questions to ask:

1. Why is our voting limit thing at 3 instead of like 2 or 4?
2. Why Zyn over Cruise?

[M-FM Zealot]

No come back D: I'm working through my posts.
I have a few questions to ask:

1. Why is our voting limit thing at 3 instead of like 2 or 4?
2. Why Zyn over Cruise?

I figured 3 because if 3 town were voting someone and the 2 scum tried to pile on someone else it wouldn't be enough to switch the lynch.

I don't town read Zyn or Cruise. Again I'm not giving anyone a pass. Just picking people who seem off to me and voting them.

Super frustrated that all day I'm expected to justify my votes with quotes and isos because nobody else is doing anything or presenting anything alternative to what I'm saying. Its like hey it's a no lynch day so lets all sit on our hands.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Anyway, I'm guessing you need to sleep.

Zyn has been quite useless and not proactive so far. There was an interaction between the leader dude and him and there was a sorta-self-contradiction (?) in what Zyn said.
Cruise just omgus'd me and called me scum for trying. Lol. But he did give a reads list and that grants him some townie points in my book.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Anyway, what if the other side was being lazy like us? They're probably going to mislynch someone or whatever.
I remembered that there was probably a kill on the other side, so the number of killed people is going to be the same right now and it'd be okay to lynch someone here.

The town points I gave Zyn were on day 1, Cruise earned his day 2. So that's like more recent.

[M-FM Zealot]

Anyway, what if the other side was being lazy like us? They're probably going to mislynch someone or whatever.
I remembered that there was probably a kill on the other side, so the number of killed people is going to be the same right now and it'd be okay to lynch someone here.

The town points I gave Zyn were on day 1, Cruise earned his day 2. So that's like more recent.

Well let's see you went 36+ hours without posting and weren't replaced. Over there must be a shit show cause they are probably out of replacements.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Well let's see you went 36+ hours without posting and weren't replaced. Over there must be a shit show cause they are probably out of replacements.

I understand you're frustrated and I probably should have asked for a replacement and be replaced, but I wasn't. I'm here now. There's nothing more I can give you.
Main point was, I'm thinking about voting Zynonymous. In fact, I'll do it now

M-FM Zynonymous

I don't have the best explanation to give to you since I'm sorting through some posts, I just wanted to know what you thought of Cruise and why you unvoted.
Seemed like you believed that the vote cap thing was important. I don't have another explanation, and there's a lot of good and bad about it, but it the idea seems pretty good.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

I gave my reads yesterday, and they haven't substantially changed, but I'll post them here again.


1. M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri: Trying way too hard to seem useful and to pressure me. Scumread.
6. AnassRhamur: Useless. Possibly flying under the radar, but more likely just doesn't know how to play.
8. M-FM Marksman: Clearly trying to be a strong town player, but I'm not entirely sure I buy it.

1. Kyoko- Scum reads me for trying. :l The very definition of not a reason.
Seems to be a reactive scumread that belays fear, not that I can tell, but that’s my fault. I’m going to test this the next day.

6. Ram- People are seeing him as lost town, but I don’t see it. Lost town usually reach out for help, he’s done a little bit of that today. Null to me.

8. Archer- I think I was using a little bit of confirmation bias. They’ve proved to be analytical at times. Currently not worried about her.

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

The plan is to give the other universe a chance to lynch today right? So agree on someone, put 3 votes and nobody else votes at day end?


Unless of course we get some pretty substantial feedback or something.


I think any amount of votes hinders the other side's attempt to lynch. They could have had a really strong day one train that didn't go through because ours was stronger, so I think we need to give them that chance to lynch. Letting them lynch also gives them a message that we are working with them and that they would give us a turn to lynch when they are not too sure on a lynch.

Second addition:
Though, if they did have a really strong day one train, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be equally strong today. If the other side didn’t want to lynch, they should simply let us. They already know we wanted someone dead strongly at the end of day one when their lynch didn’t go through. Alternatively, if they got pinning feedback or hard scumreads, it would have been voiced and a train would have started.

Our votes voice the desire of our want to lynch someone. So if a player really wanted to vote someone else, I think they should go for it. Since we have no idea how much they want to kill, may as well just give us the responsibility.

My Conclusion:
Let your freedom of speech reign. Let the games begin. (Vote someone you want to be lynched and don't vote if you don't have an opinion.)

[M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri]

Koolaid wasn't considered scum, just a uselss slot. In his case that would be a vote you are suggesting we would regulate, yes?
So basically in your eyes, we wasted everything on him.

'sup M-Forum Mafia~ Yes,
You didn't consider Kool Aid a scum?

[M-FM Yes]

How do you figure this?



No idea.

It's just a guess tbh based on the lack of activity.
If scum killed someone in the other universe first then they feel more comfortable here. Or they hit Bell which is pretty unlikely. (or got roleblocked)

[Forum Mafia GM]

No one was lynched in this universe.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Welcome to N2!

If you have a night action, please submit it at least an hour before night ends.

Living Players:
1. M-FM Kyokokirigiri
2. M-FM Yes
3. M-FM Zealot
4. M-FM Zynonymous
5. M-FM Almost Late
6. AnassRhamur
7. M-FM Cruise Elroy
8. M-FM Marksman

Dead Players:
1. M-FM Kool-Aid - Citizen

00:23:00:00

[Forum Mafia GM]

Welcome to D3!

No one died in this universe last night.

M-FM Moogle has warped into this universe!

Living Players:
1. M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri
2. M-FM Yes
3. M-FM Zealot
4. M-FM Zynonymous
5. M-FM Almost Late
6. AnassRhamur
7. M-FM Cruise Elroy
8. M-FM Marksman
9. M-FM Moogle

Dead Players:
1. M-FM Kool-Aid - Citizen


01:23:00:00

[M-FM Zealot]

How are you here

[M-FM Marksman]

Our first warp of the game. Interesting. Well Moogle- explain yourself. How did you get here?

[M-FM Zealot]

Also status update from the other side Moogle pls

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Hello you little Moggle, you.

[M-FM Zynonymous]

'sup M-Forum Mafia~ Yes,
You didn't consider Kool Aid a scum?


No, I didn't think of Koolaid as scum. As I stated when I voted him him, he was just a pointless slot for giving up.

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

I received no feedback last night.

[M-FM Marksman]

Also status update from the other side Moogle pls
Same


I received no feedback last night.
Same

[M-FM Moogle]

ok its past midnight cus im taking card of gf whos recovering for surgeary but heres the cliffnotes that i have offhand:

wildcard claime dTPR day 1, then claimed doc day 2 with heal on unknown
-this is basicly confirmed due tot the fcat there were no kills in here
firebringer replaced on time
quick got lynched day 2 and fliped citizen

any other questions or things needed on updates? if so put them with @sign so i cna answer in the mornig

[M-FM Zealot]

How did you get here and why are you here?

[M-FM Zealot]

How did you get here and why are you here?

M-FM Moogle

[M-FM Zynonymous]

Oh, and nada happened to me last night

[M-FM Cruise Elroy]

M-FM Moogle

Is anyone dead on the other side, other than Quick?

[M-FM Yes]

nothing happened to me :o

[M-FM Marksman]

How did you get here and why are you here?


M-FM Moogle

Until we get an answer.

M-FM Moogle

[M-FM Almost Late]

I'm so fucking happy we actually got company for once.
Interested to hear the entire story.

[M-FM Moogle]

How did you get here and why are you here?

i am here cus i decided to see if wildcard was really a doc or not. also the other universe is turning into mostly a unknown/sino/wildcard talk

also i came with my clifnotes

regarding anoyne else being dead, i am betting wild is if he is doc. i no longer have acess to the other universe

[M-FM Moogle]

im gonna go read the previous days and see whta i have missed.

[M-FM Moogle]

I'm so fucking happy we actually got company for once.
Interested to hear the entire story.

How come you are happy? were you not happy before?

also form skimming day one im starting here

M-FM Kyoko Kirigiri

[M-FM Zynonymous]

So Mr. Kupo is claiming a version of Cit then?

[M-FM Zealot]

i am here cus i decided to see if wildcard was really a doc or not. also the other universe is turning into mostly a unknown/sino/wildcard talk

also i came with my clifnotes

regarding anoyne else being dead, i am betting wild is if he is doc. i no longer have acess to the other universe

But who was lynched yesterday?

[M-FM Zealot]

So Mr. Kupo is claiming a version of Cit then?

Yes. Debating policy lynching him in case he's William Bell.

There's also no guarantees he's not the mafia version that came over because he was in trouble over there. He hasn't even stated who they lynched.

[M-FM Zealot]

M-FM Moogle for the time being

[M-FM Moogle]

But who was lynched yesterday?

quick as i said.....

[M-FM Zealot]

quick as i said.....

Ah yeah you did say that. Why was he lynched?

[M-FM Zealot]

Also who voted to lynch him? Who opposed his train? Details pls

[M-FM Zealot]

Was it just your idea to come here or was it something discussed by the group?

[M-FM Moogle]

Ah yeah you did say that. Why was he lynched?


Also who voted to lynch him? Who opposed his train? Details pls

bascily he was being contradictory all over the place and said that if doc is alive tommorw he needs to be lynched

badass, wildcard, unknwon, sino were the voters

[M-FM Moogle]

Was it just your idea to come here or was it something discussed by the group?

my idea. i didnt belive his doc claim so i wanted to see if he was telling the truth about saving unknwon.

plis i was thinking your group would be more active, everyone else there is inactive but unknwon/sino

[M-FM Marksman]

my idea. i didnt belive his doc claim so i wanted to see if he was telling the truth about saving unknwon.

plis i was thinking your group would be more active, everyone else there is inactive but unknwon/sino

Did you tell them you were coming over? Also how exactly is you being here going to allow you to verify/debunk his doc claim?

[M-FM Zealot]

my idea. i didnt belive his doc claim so i wanted to see if he was telling the truth about saving unknwon.

plis i was thinking your group would be more active, everyone else there is inactive but unknwon/sino

This just seems like an odd reason to switch. So the plan was to report back and hope that if a doc claim is legit they aren't dead after 2 more days? And switching due to activity seems odd as well. While there are two separate universes its all one game and both sides have to work together. If you're town and a town (possibly doc) died over there then that's one less town for the other side, leaving them at 6 players, (8 after lynch, - you and - one killed) with 3-4 of them being town. We're pretty much forced now to let them lynch today so they don't get simply overwhelmed by numbers.

If you're town you surely didn't think this through. I find it hard to believe you're team scum as you leaving makes it harder for your teammate over there, so you're probably either VI town or William Bell.

[M-FM Moogle]

Did you tell them you were coming over? Also how exactly is you being here going to allow you to verify/debunk his doc claim?

no and its simple, if there was a kill in this universe n1 it would debunk him. if not (as i can see) it leads me to believe he is doc

[M-FM Moogle]

This just seems like an odd reason to switch. So the plan was to report back and hope that if a doc claim is legit they aren't dead after 2 more days? And switching due to activity seems odd as well. While there are two separate universes its all one game and both sides have to work together. If you're town and a town (possibly doc) died over there then that's one less town for the other side, leaving them at 6 players, (8 after lynch, - you and - one killed) with 3-4 of them being town. We're pretty much forced now to let them lynch today so they don't get simply overwhelmed by numbers.

If you're town you surely didn't think this through. I find it hard to believe you're team scum as you leaving makes it harder for your teammate over there, so you're probably either VI town or William Bell.

thinking is for the lame.

the doc claim and activity is little of the overal rerason. iw anted to see who you lynched and how things are going here so i can report back ot them about it

[M-FM Marksman]

M-FM Zealot
I don't think we have to let the main universe lynch today. If we can lynch William Bell that will be better than any lynch they could possibly have.

[M-FM Marksman]

no and its simple, if there was a kill in this universe n1 it would debunk him. if not (as i can see) it leads me to believe he is doc

Who did he claim to have healed night one?

[M-FM Moogle]

Who did he claim to have healed night one?

Unknown as I have said in my summary

[M-FM Marksman]

Unknown as I have said in my summary

Right. Ok then, why did Wildcard claim doc on day 2? That's pretty early for a roleclaim, especially from a doctor.

[M-FM Moogle]

Right. Ok then, why did Wildcard claim doc on day 2? That's pretty early for a roleclaim, especially from a doctor.

Day one h claimed he was a or and in main IMO he called for a doc/ big on him witch gave early indication to pr. Day 2 everyone (including me) was after him for his claim and his vauge knowledge of knowing something in the other universe (the lack of no and his feedback)

[M-FM Zealot]

M-FM Zealot
I don't think we have to let the main universe lynch today. If we can lynch William Bell that will be better than any lynch they could possibly have.

Lynching team scum > lynching William Bell at this point. Lets say Moogle is Bell. That means that they are 4v2 over there. Sure, we lynch, one of them dies and they are left 3/2 there already.

Lets say Moogle is citizen. Then its 4/2 or 3/2/1 over there. If we lynch and a town dies they are possibly 2/2/1 and William Bell is super close to winning. Bell being in our universe with 9 people isn't a problem atm. Bell Boeing in their universe with 6 people is a HUGE problem. Or Bell switching to their universe when numbers are low.

Hmm. But if that's the case Moogle could be Bell just biding his time and then switch back over there when their numbers are even lower.

Fuck. This sucks. I started this post wanting to argue against lynching today but now I think we have to choice but to make Moogle eat rope.

[M-FM Moogle]

Main universe

God I hate phone posting

[M-FM Moogle]

Lynching team scum > lynching William Bell at this point. Lets say Moogle is Bell. That means that they are 4v2 over there. Sure, we lynch, one of them dies and they are left 3/2 there already.

Lets say Moogle is citizen. Then its 4/2 or 3/2/1 over there. If we lynch and a town dies they are possibly 2/2/1 and William Bell is super close to winning. Bell being in our universe with 9 people isn't a problem atm. Bell Boeing in their universe with 6 people is a HUGE problem. Or Bell switching to their universe when numbers are low.

Hmm. But if that's the case Moogle could be Bell just biding his time and then switch back over there when their numbers are even lower.

Fuck. This sucks. I started this post wanting to argue against lynching today but now I think we have to choice but to make Moogle eat rope.

Even if I was bell, it's our best intrest to let them lynch due to the fact they go mylo tommorw and with town (the player) being invisible ago lurk I doubt they will get it off.

If anything I'll swap back and force it out of mylo and tell them what happens over here.

[M-FM Marksman]

Day one h claimed he was a or and in main IMO he called for a doc/ big on him witch gave early indication to pr. Day 2 everyone (including me) was after him for his claim and his vauge knowledge of knowing something in the other universe (the lack of no and his feedback)

The part in yellow is complete gibberish and makes no sense to me. I'm guessing your phone fucked up. Pls re-type

As to the rest of what you said- Did he just come out and say that he knew no one had died in this universe n1? How exactly did he reveal that he had "vague knowledge of something in [this] universe]?"

[M-FM Zealot]

Even if I was bell, it's our best intrest to let them lynch due to the fact they go mylo tommorw and with town (the player) being invisible ago lurk I doubt they will get it off.

If anything I'll swap back and force it out of mylo and tell them what happens over here.

Yeah, report back the doc claim is legit 2 days after he's dead. Good work there bud.

Problem with your plan is even if we let you live, 99% of the time you switch back and you're lynched. Because if you're town scum might think you're Bell. So they will target you. So will town. So its 3/2 LYLO, you go back and are lynched then its 2/2 or 2/1/1. I don't see any reason why letting you live benefit a town regardless of your alignment. At least in 3/2 or 2/2/1 they have a chance to hit scum.

If you're Bell you fucked yourself.

[M-FM Moogle]

The part in yellow is complete gibberish and makes no sense to me. I'm guessing your phone fucked up. Pls re-type

As to the rest of what you said- Did he just come out and say that he knew no one had died in this universe n1? How exactly did he reveal that he had "vague knowledge of something in [this] universe]?"

day one in mian universe he claied for doc/bg on him an early indication of pr

in the sepration he came out and claimed he was pr d1

come day 2 he acted all vauge and misterious that his role gave him insights about the other universe. from there everyoen was basicly thretening him with lynch if he didnt claim. after that he claimed doc and saved unknown n1.

anyways. ill be chacking by phone but my lunch should be here soona nd gf needs help so i will be in and out

[M-FM Marksman]

Also, given the complete lack of any (claimed) feedback here, I'm guessing we have a transporter who has opted not to use its power yet. If I'm correct about that, we could instruct the transporter to send one of us to the main universe to give them extra voting power as well as updates about this universe and such. I volunteer as tribute for this purpose.

[M-FM Zealot]

Also, given the complete lack of any (claimed) feedback here, I'm guessing we have a transporter who has opted not to use its power yet. If I'm correct about that, we could instruct the transporter to send one of us to the main universe to give them extra voting power as well as updates about this universe and such. I volunteer as tribute for this purpose.

I was about to say I disagree with this idea but if you were scum volunteering only 2 scum can come over when that universe shrinks to 2 people so unless an enhanced scum citizen exists we're good.

If we agree to this (if we have that role) then by rule we have to PL any one else that comes over. Which is what we're doing any way.

The problem is they are likely to PL you for switching. Which puts us in the same MLYLO PL predicament

[M-FM Marksman]

after that he claimed doc and saved unknown n1.


Had Unknown already claimed his "attacked + healed" feedback by this point?

[M-FM Moogle]

I was about to say I disagree with this idea but if you were scum volunteering only 2 scum can come over when that universe shrinks to 2 people so unless an enhanced scum citizen exists we're good.

If we agree to this (if we have that role) then by rule we have to PL any one else that comes over. Which is what we're doing any way.

The problem is they are likely to PL you for switching. Which puts us in the same MLYLO PL predicament

the thing your missing is that unless they hit scum they wont be able to afford the PL on someone coming over so...

[M-FM Zealot]

M-FM Moogle did your side try to lynch anyone day 1? Who got votes? Tell me more about day 1

A list of reads would be helpful too. If you flip town Marksman can use it if sent over to help lynch scum.

[M-FM Moogle]

Had Unknown already claimed his "attacked + healed" feedback by this point?

you didnt read setup did you.......

[M-FM Zealot]

the thing your missing is that unless they hit scum they wont be able to afford the PL on someone coming over so...

You're not going back, sorry Moogs

[M-FM Marksman]

I was about to say I disagree with this idea but if you were scum volunteering only 2 scum can come over when that universe shrinks to 2 people so unless an enhanced scum citizen exists we're good.

If we agree to this (if we have that role) then by rule we have to PL any one else that comes over. Which is what we're doing any way.

The problem is they are likely to PL you for switching. Which puts us in the same MLYLO PL predicament

PLing me will most likely occur to them. I'm confident I can talk them out of it, though.

[M-FM Moogle]

M-FM Moogle did your side try to lynch anyone day 1? Who got votes? Tell me more about day 1

A list of reads would be helpful too. If you flip town Marksman can use it if sent over to help lynch scum.

we wanted to lynch fire/quick/wild but it ended up being too divided

[M-FM Moogle]

You're not going back, sorry Moogs

i dont plan on going back i plan on being lynched here. im saying that if they have any brains (hint: they dont) not even marksman can talk her way out of the sheer oblvion/lurking that is going on there

[M-FM Marksman]

you didnt read setup did you.......

I did, but I guess I assumed attacked/healed feedback was a thing. But now that you mention it, I don't see it listed anywhere...

If a player is attacked and healed do they get feedback telling them this? Or does only the doctor get it?

[M-FM Zealot]

i dont plan on going back i plan on being lynched here. im saying that if they have any brains (hint: they dont) not even marksman can talk her way out of the sheer oblvion/lurking that is going on there

Reads list pls?

[M-FM Moogle]

I did, but I guess I assumed attacked/healed feedback was a thing. But now that you mention it, I don't see it listed anywhere...

If a player is attacked and healed do they get feedback telling them this? Or does only the doctor get it?

asked the same thing, check doc rolecard. it says only doc gets the feedback

also transporter should pick semi-random becasue ahts gonna happen if we cordinate to send makrs they will jsut kill her outs\right so her deaad body will be transfer and we are back in the same spot as before

[M-FM Moogle]

Reads list pls?

town: wild, unknwon, sino, death
null: town badass
scum: fire

think that was everyone form our universe?

[M-FM Zealot]

Did other people claim other feedback at all? All details pls

[M-FM Zealot]

asked the same thing, check doc rolecard. it says only doc gets the feedback

also transporter should pick semi-random becasue ahts gonna happen if we cordinate to send makrs they will jsut kill her outs\right so her deaad body will be transfer and we are back in the same spot as before

We could send them a scum read. If they are team scum and win that universe only 2/3 can come back here if I understand the setup right. And maybe they lynch Bell if he's over there

If 3 ZFT agents are the only players left in a universe are only 2 of them transported to the other universe?

[M-FM Moogle]

Did other people claim other feedback at all? All details pls

No other feedback was claimed, keep asking I'm better with this format then just trying to pull out the info off my head

[M-FM Moogle]

We could send them a scum read. If they are team scum and win that universe only 2/3 can come back here if I understand the setup right. And maybe they lynch Bell if he's over there

If 3 ZFT agents are the only players left in a universe are only 2 of them transported to the other universe?

I would think they just sit there in that universe and not move and we would just sit there wondering. If there's two player (excluding William bell) they just die

[M-FM Marksman]

asked the same thing, check doc rolecard. it says only doc gets the feedback

also transporter should pick semi-random becasue ahts gonna happen if we cordinate to send makrs they will jsut kill her outs\right so her deaad body will be transfer and we are back in the same spot as before

Hmm. I suppose that's true. But then they also risk the universe collapsing soon and Bell winning (assuming you're not Bell).

[M-FM Moogle]

Hmm. I suppose that's true. But then they also risk the universe collapsing soon and Bell winning (assuming you're not Bell).

Then me and someone else moves forcing a kill in here? I already knew the risk of moving so I accept my lynch will prob happen.

[M-FM Zealot]

I think if we have a transporter we have no choice but to send someone there. Otherwise the other universe runs the risk of collapsing early.

But if we send someone it could be 6 and 7 or vice versa depending on where the kill goes

[M-FM Moogle]

Transporter could send firebringer here cus he's the universal scumread there (or at least majority)

[M-FM Zealot]

Transporter could send firebringer here cus he's the universal scumread there (or at least majority)

Naw that's the opposite of what we want to do. Why would we want to bring him here to make 3 scum here? Let them lynch him there.

[M-FM Moogle]

Naw that's the opposite of what we want to do. Why would we want to bring him here to make 3 scum here? Let them lynch him there.

I kinda figured. Was worth suggestion at least

[M-FM Marksman]

Transporter could send firebringer here cus he's the universal scumread there (or at least majority)

The idea is that we send people there to boost their numbers, not have them come here. Plus they might just lynch him today (if we don't lynch), in which case we'd just get his corpse. Not much use.

Also I just checked again and Firebringer isn't a player in the game according to the day 1 player list. 'splain pls

[M-FM Zealot]

The idea is that we send people there to boost their numbers, not have them come here. Plus they might just lynch him today (if we don't lynch), in which case we'd just get his corpse. Not much use.

Also I just checked again and Firebringer isn't a player in the game according to the day 1 player list. 'splain pls

He said he replaced in, back in one of his posts full of gibberish

[M-FM Marksman]

He said he replaced in, back in one of his posts full of gibberish

Ah. Yeah, I've been having trouble deciphering the gibberish. Did he say who Firebringer replaced?

[M-FM Moogle]

The idea is that we send people there to boost their numbers, not have them come here. Plus they might just lynch him today (if we don't lynch), in which case we'd just get his corpse. Not much use.

Also I just checked again and Firebringer isn't a player in the game according to the day 1 player list. 'splain pls

He replaced "on time". He never posted

[M-FM Zealot]

Ah. Yeah, I've been having trouble deciphering the gibberish. Did he say who Firebringer replaced?

M-FM On Time. I had to reference the list but that's what I assume "firebringer replaced on time" meant

[M-FM Moogle]

M-FM On Time. I had to reference the list but that's what I assume "firebringer replaced on time" meant

This is why annon names like that are fun :p

[M-FM Marksman]

He replaced "on time". He never posted

Ok, so why is Fire thought to be scum? Something beyond On Time's lack of posts, I hope.

[M-FM Moogle]

Ok, so why is Fire thought to be scum? Something beyond On Time's lack of posts, I hope.

His general posting iirc. I'll have to pull up my few notes I have in a bit.

[M-FM Moogle]

The last day he spend all day saying what he would do as scum

[M-FM Zealot]

If you could just dump your notes it would help a lot

[M-FM Moogle]

If you could just dump your notes it would help a lot

I'll see what I can do. It's really lackluster due to the fact I never make any notes except a few cliff things like the one I post last noght

[M-FM Zealot]

I'll see what I can do. It's really lackluster due to the fact I never make any notes except a few cliff things like the one I post last noght

Just dump the notes dude

[M-FM Moogle]

Just dump the notes dude

i knwo i knwo i need to get them give me like 2 mins

[M-FM Moogle]

d1:
got role, looks fun
try to rp but fail
(list of com names to players)
universe separates
TPR claim by wild
run lynch on badass and claims pr as well (protective)
replacement happens
split vote near eod
dw run up again for claim
claims to be role that is fine with being lynched other then pr

d2: (fyi this was readign through night i was busy this day)
no kill
wild cacts vauge
runs up for lynch and claims doc with porteciton unkwnon
quci post and contracticts self a lot
run of for lynch and claim cit
lynched and flips cit

d3:
new universe