S-FM 175: Not Matrix6

[Sen]

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"Free Sandwiches for everyone!" - read the sign outside of Jimmy John's, gathering the attention of nine starving strangers.

They all ordered dozens of orders of their favorite sandwich, but to their surprise, they got charged for them.

- What is this treachery?
- I demand to speak to the manager!
- Why are you trying to take my freedom away!?

The customers were angry and decided that noone was leaving the place until the culprits were found and punished.
The angry mob barricaded doors and windows, and then proceeded to start looking for the perpetrators, but not before arming themselves with whatever they could find; from kitchen knives to stone-hard stale bread. Someone was going to pay dearly for this blasphemy.

The Living
1: Spruance
2: Toadette
3: ThornholtFirebringer
4: deathworlds
5: Frog
6: DarknessB
7: MattZed
The Dead
GameFreak, the Vanilla. Lynched day 1.
Calix, the Vanilla. Killed night 1.
Setup (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/34426-Not-Matrix6)
Day 1 End (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/34573-S-FM-175-Not-Matrix6?p=554116&viewfull=1#post554116)

[Sen]

Sending rolecards now. Feel free to start posting.

3

[MattZed]

I don't have my rolecard, and I see no reason to read it today. I know my mission.

Toadette

OMGUS me, you toad. I dare you.

[Spruance]

There can only be one culprit for this blasphemy

Sen

[Toadette]

I love the story :)

MattZed

I'm not afraid of you. Bring it!

[MattZed]

I love the story :)

MattZed

I'm not afraid of you. Bring it!
Of course you'd vote me back. Trying to vote Mr. "dies day 1" to save yourself. Only a scum would try something so desperate.

But it makes sense that you'd be scum. Only a woman would object to the idea of free sandwiches.

[Firebringer]

I have yet to get a rolecard.

[MattZed]

I have yet to get a rolecard.
Would it even make a difference? We all know Toadette is scum. All your rolecard could do is tell you if you're her scumbuddy or not.

[Toadette]

Of course you'd vote me back. Trying to vote Mr. "dies day 1" to save yourself. Only a scum would try something so desperate.

But it makes sense that you'd be scum. Only a woman would object to the idea of free sandwiches.

Pfffff please. You're just voting me because I win every game and you are jealous!

[Firebringer]

Just got it.

Also Toadette busses scum teammates always so if Matt is scum so is Toadette.

That logic though.

MattZed

[Toadette]

I have yet to get a rolecard.

I got mine already, lying scum

Firebringer

[Firebringer]

I don't have my rolecard, and I see no reason to read it today. I know my mission.

Toadette

OMGUS me, you toad. I dare you.

Not seeing your rolecard is like playing the game blind. Its kind of unfair to everyone.

[Firebringer]

Pfffff please. You're just voting me because I win every game and you are jealous!

I think you lost a few.

[MattZed]

I got mine already, lying scum

Firebringer
Every good host sends out scum rolecards first.

I haven't gotten mine either. SCUMSLIP.

[Toadette]

I think you lost a few.

Not this season. MattZed literally complaining about it in his signup thread just now lol

[Firebringer]

Not this season. MattZed literally complaining about it in his signup thread just now lol

Ehh, this topic isn't worth discussing
I would like to talk about how you and Matt are probably teammates since you always buss.

[MattZed]

Not this season. MattZed literally complaining about it in his signup thread just now lol
Omg that's practically OGC and you should feel ashamed of yourself, Toadette.

Or perhaps shamelessness is how you deal with charging for the sandwiches.

[MattZed]

Ehh, this topic isn't worth discussing
I would like to talk about how you and Matt are probably teammates since you always buss.
Why would she bus me? I'm the most reliable teammate there is and worth keeping until the end. =D

[MattZed]

Okay I have a rolecard now. Because Firebringer was so nice, I read it.

I stand by my vote.

[Toadette]

Every good host sends out scum rolecards first.

I haven't gotten mine either. SCUMSLIP.

lol this is probably the derpiest thing I've read in a game, even for a day 1

[MattZed]

lol this is probably the derpiest thing I've read in a game, even for a day 1
Just because your scumslip was obvious doesn't make it not a scumslip.

[Toadette]

Why would she bus me? I'm the most reliable teammate there is and worth keeping until the end. =D

This... I don't bus competant teammates :)

[GameFreak]

I remember how day 1 works. See you all Day 2.

[MattZed]

I remember how day 1 works. See you all Day 2.
Nononono. You haven't been in games recently, and we need you to participate so we learn your meta.

Get back in here or die.

GameFreak

[Sen]

Derp Sen forgot how to host.5

[Spruance]

Nononono. You haven't been in games recently, and we need you to participate so we learn your meta.

Get back in here or die.

GameFreak

what he said
GameFreak

If you aren't even a little angered by the fact our free sandwiches were taken from us, you must have aided in the conspiracy.

[Calix]

MattZed, are you seriously going with the "host slip" bullshit? You of all people should know why that isn't valid.

[MattZed]

MattZed, are you seriously going with the "host slip" bullshit? You of all people should know why that isn't valid.
Nah, now I'm going with the "don't you dare lurk" bullshit.

Why are you defending Toadette?

[MattZed]

Sen, I notice you haven't signed for my game. Is this an unintentional slight, or do you not like my setup?

[Calix]

Nah, now I'm going with the "don't you dare lurk" bullshit.

Why are you defending Toadette?

I was criticising your 'host card times = scum' argument.

It's the host's first game, so it's not even good meta.

[Firebringer]

This... I don't bus competant teammates :)
You bussed me though in that night less game.

[Firebringer]

I was criticising your 'host card times = scum' argument.

It's the host's first game, so it's not even good meta.

Go away.
You are not my target for lynch todya.

[MattZed]

I was criticising your 'host card times = scum' argument.

It's the host's first game, so it's not even good meta.
New hosts are the most likely to have such tells, are they not?


You bussed me though in that night less game.
Well, Firebringer, I hate to break it to you, but...

[Firebringer]

New hosts are the most likely to have such tells, are they not?


Well, Firebringer, I hate to break it to you, but...

Don't even try to go there, I am god tier.

[Calix]

New hosts are the most likely to have such tells, are they not?


Well, Firebringer, I hate to break it to you, but...

He's played games before...about 3967407 years ago. I don't think he's quite that naive.

Also I'm getting mixed up between games. Am switching, will post more here in the morning.

[Firebringer]

He's played games before...about 3967407 years ago. I don't think he's quite that naive.

Also I'm getting mixed up between games. Am switching, will post more here in the morning.

Me too, but since I am town here.
Want to talk about who you think is scum so far? Even though its page 2 lets talk Calix, I am sure we can break this game :)

[Spruance]

Does this game force a lynch

[MattZed]

Does this game force a lynch

Does not appear so. Seems we have to make one happen ourselves.

Since this is basically vanilla, trading the D1 lynch for a no lynch is basically asking to lose.

[deathworlds]

mattzed

its a tradition

[Toadette]

You bussed me though in that night less game.

Yes exactly.

[Toadette]

Me too, but since I am town here.
Want to talk about who you think is scum so far? Even though its page 2 lets talk Calix, I am sure we can break this game :)

"I'm town"

That's cute that you're trying to prove your innocence by claiming town.

[MattZed]

mattzed

its a tradition
Why are you defending Gamefreak, who has actively admitted they won't be playing D1?

[Toadette]

Why are you defending Gamefreak, who has actively admitted they won't be playing D1?

There's no defense of gamefreak in an RVS vote.

[Toadette]

Why are you defending Gamefreak, who has actively admitted they won't be playing D1?

Honestly this is a HUGE deflection from an RVS vote

MattZed

L-2

[deathworlds]

[unvote][unvote]

I don't like either of these trains atm.

[deathworlds]

motherfucker

[MattZed]

Honestly this is a HUGE deflection from an RVS vote

MattZed

L-2
How many pages does RVS last for you?

[Firebringer]

"I'm town"

That's cute that you're trying to prove your innocence by claiming town.

Thanks, I have been told I am cute in real life too.

Want to discuss who is town or scum right now?
I always love our conversations Toadette.

[MattZed]

Thanks, I have been told I am cute in real life too.

Want to discuss who is town or scum right now?
I always love our conversations Toadette.

Protip: If you actually want to start a discussion on something, you should start it by saying something.

[Firebringer]

Protip: If you actually want to start a discussion on something, you should start it by saying something.

Protip: I think you are scum.
You aint my Deputy this game browski. You are some kind of deviant.

[deathworlds]

Request for the hosts to collaborate so days don't intersect.

[MattZed]

Request for the hosts to collaborate so days don't intersect.

Request for the opposite of this.

[MattZed]

Protip: I think you are scum.
You aint my Deputy this game browski. You are some kind of deviant.

Well, at least you put your vote where your mouth is this game. Why so much more assertive?

[deathworlds]

Request for the opposite of this.

u w0t m8?

[MattZed]

u w0t m8?
I like my days at the same time so I don't have to be on this site 24/7.

[deathworlds]

I like my days at the same time so I don't have to be on this site 24/7.

well running at half capactiy is tiresome for me

[MattZed]

well running at half capactiy is tiresome for me
Because it's tiring to make sure you don't lose track of games and scumslip?

[Firebringer]

Well, at least you put your vote where your mouth is this game. Why so much more assertive?

Cause I am done being the backseat to lynches.
Going to control them now, cause thats what a town should do.

Control the lynches and prevent scum form pushing scum agenda.

[MattZed]

Cause I am done being the backseat to lynches.
Going to control them now, cause thats what a town should do.

Control the lynches and prevent scum form pushing scum agenda.
What if the scum agenda is to sit back and watch the town self destruct?

[DarknessB]

MattZed, are you seriously going with the "host slip" bullshit? You of all people should know why that isn't valid.

LOL, you warm my cold heart with your meta references, Calix.

And, I just realized this game started -- reading more now.

[deathworlds]

Because it's tiring to make sure you don't lose track of games and scumslip?

lol sure man

[Firebringer]

What if the scum agenda is to sit back and watch the town self destruct?

That is what they want, but I am not going to let players sit back.

[deathworlds]

That is what they want, but I am not going to let players sit back.

!!!!

firebringer

[Firebringer]

!!!!

firebringer

lol, okay mate.
Want to actually point something scummy?
Because that is me referring to the scum team, and you know it.

[deathworlds]

lol, okay mate.
Want to actually point something scummy?
Because that is me referring to the scum team, and you know it.

it seems like you already know their plans

[Firebringer]

it seems like you already know their plans

Yeah mate, we have day talk. Didn't you read the setup?

[MattZed]

lol, okay mate.
Want to actually point something scummy?
Because that is me referring to the scum team, and you know it.
"I'm not scum, so gosh darnit you better do a complete ISO before you start pointing fingers at me."

[Firebringer]

"I'm not scum, so gosh darnit you better do a complete ISO before you start pointing fingers at me."

Way to escalate that and make a straw man of what I said matt.
I said point to something scummy.

Never said do a complete ISO.

[Calix]

!!!!

firebringer


"I'm not scum, so gosh darnit you better do a complete ISO before you start pointing fingers at me."


Way to escalate that and make a straw man of what I said matt.
I said point to something scummy.

Never said do a complete ISO.

Popping in for five seconds.

I'm starting to suspect that this may just be how you plox play the game. I could be wrong, so I am light-townreading deathworlds for thinking that was a legit slip. I can see town thinking they had legitimately caught scum.

MattZed is being MattZed, lol.

Shall be interesting to see how the personalities all clash because everyone is so stubborn.

[Firebringer]

Popping in for five seconds.

I'm starting to suspect that this may just be how you plox play the game. I could be wrong, so I am light-townreading deathworlds for thinking that was a legit slip. I can see town thinking they had legitimately caught scum.

MattZed is being MattZed, lol.

Shall be interesting to see how the personalities all clash because everyone is so stubborn.

I am not stubborn and I will fight you to the death to prove you wrong.

Oh wait....

[Frog]

Just got it.

Also Toadette busses scum teammates always so if Matt is scum so is Toadette.

That logic though.

MattZed

I agree with this. But I'm still reading.

[Frog]

Why would she bus me? I'm the most reliable teammate there is and worth keeping until the end. =D

Did MattZed just admit team mafia? Lmfao.

[Frog]

lol this is probably the derpiest thing I've read in a game, even for a day 1

Yeah agreed. That's enough for me.

MattZed

I've dealt with this before.

If you believe there is bussing going on, do you lynch the busser or the bussee?

I lynch the busser in the event of white knighting.

I'm not sure who that is in this case. I guess MattZed started the 'bussing' even though it's Toadette's profile to bus.

MattZed slipped more than Toadette, looks scummier, and perhaps attempted to elicit the moguls from Toadette if they're teammates.

We can circle back to this pending Matt's flip:
- was Matt really bussing or framing?

[MattZed]

Did MattZed just admit team mafia? Lmfao.
You've been mafia with me before. You know I'm too valuable of a teammate to bus.

Trying to repeat Camp Mafia by going for the supposedly easy Matt lynch again?

[Spruance]

Can someone explain where the bus driver came from? It's not a possible role.

[Frog]

I remember how day 1 works. See you all Day 2.

Scum have no incentive to participate in day discussion because scum do not need to scum hunt.


Nononono. You haven't been in games recently, and we need you to participate so we learn your meta.

Get back in here or die.

GameFreak

Interesting. Is this a true vote or a true bussing vote? GameFreak looks scummier than Toadette.


what he said
GameFreak

If you aren't even a little angered by the fact our free sandwiches were taken from us, you must have aided in the conspiracy.

I don't really know how to Vote Count Analysis this-
More votes on someone is a sign 2 votes could be mafia pushed.
But Gamefreak is a safe vote, and can't VCA without more votes, more days, more flips.

[Frog]

Can someone explain where the bus driver came from? It's not a possible role.

Bus=accusing scum teammate to distance yourselves

[deathworlds]

Can someone explain where the bus driver came from? It's not a possible role.

Bussing refers to pressuring/leading a lynch train on your scum ally.

It's a uncommon tactic to attempt to clear 1 mafia member from future pressure.

[Frog]

You've been mafia with me before. You know I'm too valuable of a teammate to bus.

Trying to repeat Camp Mafia by going for the supposedly easy Matt lynch again?

I'm more inclined to lynch gamefreak today.

You've given plenty today which doesn't seem scum- although page 1 rubbed me the wrong way.

[deathworlds]

be back later

[MattZed]

Scum have no incentive to participate in day discussion because scum do not need to scum hunt.



Interesting. Is this a true vote or a true bussing vote? GameFreak looks scummier than Toadette.



I don't really know how to Vote Count Analysis this-
More votes on someone is a sign 2 votes could be mafia pushed.
But Gamefreak is a safe vote, and can't VCA without more votes, more days, more flips.

There are at worst 3 scum in this game. You're going to have to consolidate your potential scum reads a little more for the bussing/mafia pushing hypotheses to be coherent.

[MattZed]

I'm more inclined to lynch gamefreak today.

You've given plenty today which doesn't seem scum- although page 1 rubbed me the wrong way.
He's made literally one post. Outright lynching someone for that is premature. Pressure is much more appropriate, and it's worrying that you hide that fact.

[Frog]

He's made literally one post. Outright lynching someone for that is premature. Pressure is much more appropriate, and it's worrying that you hide that fact.

I'm down.

GameFreak[/]

People I'd like to hear more from:

Deathworlds, jumped on a wagon, then made one point:

!!!!

[vote]firebringer

Spruance
GameFreak
Darkness

To a lesser extent Calix

[Frog]

Gamefreak

Pressure

[MattZed]

I'm down.

[vote]GameFreak[/]

People I'd like to hear more from:

Deathworlds, jumped on a wagon, then made one point:


Spruance
GameFreak
Darkness

To a lesser extent Calix
Toadette's fine, though, even though you worry she might be bussing?

[deathworlds]

I'm down.

[vote]GameFreak[/]

People I'd like to hear more from:

Deathworlds, jumped on a wagon, then made one point:


Spruance
GameFreak
Darkness

To a lesser extent Calix

I'm pretty sure I'm starting a wagon.

[Frog]

Toadette's fine, though, even though you worry she might be bussing?

Toad eye has contributed. It's a list of people who need to contribute more.

[Frog]

I'm pretty sure I'm starting a wagon.

I wasn't referencing your vote on Fire. You made a legitimate point with that vote. I was referring to you jumping on MattZed until the wagon reached L-2. Unless I'm mistaken. I'm speaking off notes. Other than that you haven't demonstrated unique views/opinions.

[Toadette]

How many pages does RVS last for you?

You're kidding right? It was page 2 and his first vote in the game.

MattZed needs to die.

[Toadette]

Because it's tiring to make sure you don't lose track of games and scumslip?

Are you purposely trying yo do terribly this game?

[Frog]

Are you purposely trying yo do terribly this game?

I saw Matt's comment there as spreading pressure. It's about that point I stopped doubting him.

[Toadette]

I saw Matt's comment there as spreading pressure. It's about that point I stopped doubting him.

Why would you stop doubting anyone?

[Firebringer]

So frog you saying you have a read on me this game?

[Frog]

Why would you stop doubting anyone?

POE purposes. I've already set my maybe lynch list:

Deathworlds
Spruance
Gamefreak
Darkness

Based on lack of pressure and contribution, in order to amp up pressure and contribution, these are my maybe lynch list.

[Firebringer]

POE purposes. I've already set my maybe lynch list:

Deathworlds
Spruance
Gamefreak
Darkness

Based on lack of pressure and contribution, in order to amp up pressure and contribution, these are my maybe lynch list.

You know this post comes across as very scummy, right?

[Frog]

So frog you saying you have a read on me this game?

You haven't looked at your role card. So no. But I have mind melded with things you've picked up on.

[Firebringer]

You haven't looked at your role card. So no. But I have mind melded with things you've picked up on.

I have looked at my role card.
I am 90% Town, The rest scum.

[Frog]

You know this post comes across as very scummy, right?

Idgaf.

That's my POE atm.

[Frog]

If Fire is scum who hasn't read role card, I will lol in post game.

[Firebringer]

If Fire is scum who hasn't read role card, I will lol in post game.

Did I not tell you I have read my role card?

[GameFreak]

I had to read the setup a couple of times to understand it. Are hidden roles linked together ? I'm not sure yet.
I wonder what are neutral hidden is.

I also see the pressure votes are starting , keep it up guys.

[DarknessB]

I had to read the setup a couple of times to understand it. Are hidden roles linked together ? I'm not sure yet.
I wonder what are neutral hidden is.

I also see the pressure votes are starting , keep it up guys.

I find the second part of this post very confusing unless I am not reading your sarcasm correctly. You're acknowledging that people are pressure voting and saying to "keep it up", even though the pressure votes are currently on you? This would lead me to believe that you're either in favor of pressure voting (despite being pressured voted yourself and despite not really responding to the votes on you) or you're simply being sarcastic and don't think the pressure votes are helpful. Care to clarify?

[DarknessB]

If Fire is scum who hasn't read role card, I will lol in post game.

I feel like Fire gave up this meta a while ago, but I could be wrong.

[DarknessB]

Why would you stop doubting anyone?

Agreed with Toadette on this point. Frog seems to be assuming that MattZed is only going to go into Sheriff Jailor Jr. mode (i.e. trying to start up lynch trains and rotating pressure to each player) if he is Town. I don't necessarily buy that premise -- the best players are going to employ the same approach regardless of alignment and Matt is pretty experienced at this point.

[DarknessB]

He's made literally one post. Outright lynching someone for that is premature. Pressure is much more appropriate, and it's worrying that you hide that fact.

I am not comfortable voting for GameFreak yet until we hear from him more. I didn't particularly like his odd post re: pressure where he seems to acknowledge it, yet hasn't bothered responding to the fact that there are three votes on him. You would think that would get him a little more eager to respond to those votes vs. engaging in setup speculation.

[DarknessB]

You've been mafia with me before. You know I'm too valuable of a teammate to bus.

Trying to repeat Camp Mafia by going for the supposedly easy Matt lynch again?

Despite MattZed's weak joke here, I don't particularly read this as a slip. And yes, there is almost a meta of "lynch Matt first based on some perceived scum slip", lol.

[DarknessB]

!!!!

firebringer


!!!!

firebringer

Maybe this is slightly tangential, but I really dislike the over-reading of posts sometimes. Fire said:


That is what they want, but I am not going to let players sit back.

Deathworlds jumped on him, underlining the first part of the sentence and suggesting Fire was meant "they" as Town, and therefore, was suggesting that he was not Town. I just don't honestly find this to be persuasive, given MattZed's previous post was specifically referring to scum. Makes me think deathworlds is itchy to build a case on Fire for some reason.

[GameFreak]

I don't find pressure votes useless but it was indeed sarcasm.

I got pressure voted while asleep with no reason except for the fact that i dislike day1 because of the general attitude.
I'm more interested who else jumps on me. Its generally a good indication of who is scum.

Matt's vote was fair.

Spruance's looks more like scum than anything.

Frog is jumping votes left and right, he gave more valid reasoning to lynch other people yet he votes me to pressure yet "more than 2 votes is can be mafiapush".
Also one post he wants to hear from people who havnt spoked much, he repeats this the next post and excludes Calix who has the opposite opinion of him.

[Spruance]

I don't find pressure votes useless but it was indeed sarcasm.

I got pressure voted while asleep with no reason except for the fact that i dislike day1 because of the general attitude.
I'm more interested who else jumps on me. Its generally a good indication of who is scum.

Matt's vote was fair.

Spruance's looks more like scum than anything.

Frog is jumping votes left and right, he gave more valid reasoning to lynch other people yet he votes me to pressure yet "more than 2 votes is can be mafiapush".
Also one post he wants to hear from people who havnt spoked much, he repeats this the next post and excludes Calix who has the opposite opinion of him.

Get em guys! He is trying to intimidate the people who voted him so the best response is to apply more pressure!

[Firebringer]

I don't find pressure votes useless but it was indeed sarcasm.

I got pressure voted while asleep with no reason except for the fact that i dislike day1 because of the general attitude.
I'm more interested who else jumps on me. Its generally a good indication of who is scum.

Matt's vote was fair.

Spruance's looks more like scum than anything.

Frog is jumping votes left and right, he gave more valid reasoning to lynch other people yet he votes me to pressure yet "more than 2 votes is can be mafiapush".
Also one post he wants to hear from people who havnt spoked much, he repeats this the next post and excludes Calix who has the opposite opinion of him.

So you think Frog approach to pressure was coming from scum who wasn't trying to read you?

[Firebringer]

I feel like Fire gave up this meta a while ago, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, I gave up on it.
It didn't really help me look more town when I was scum IMO.

People still scumread me as town, and vice versa.

[Firebringer]

Maybe this is slightly tangential, but I really dislike the over-reading of posts sometimes. Fire said:



Deathworlds jumped on him, underlining the first part of the sentence and suggesting Fire was meant "they" as Town, and therefore, was suggesting that he was not Town. I just don't honestly find this to be persuasive, given MattZed's previous post was specifically referring to scum. Makes me think deathworlds is itchy to build a case on Fire for some reason.

Deathworlds is doing it because of the other game, which is whats annoying.
Look at time stamps and then look at other game, 100% related to when he started building a case.

Seriously, I didn't want to bring it up, but thats what is going on and its borderline against rules I feel.

[Frog]

Basically lylo and mylo tomorrow with 3/7 odds vs. 3/9 odds assuming worst case 2 scum kills and vigi (if available) doesn't kill N1.

I'm comfortable with Gamefreak's OMGUS response as straight scum, but a night to check and improve odds doesn't hurt.

skip

Gamefreak tops my scum list

Fire's annoyance/frustration is consistent with his Town meta based on other games. However I normally don't find this frustration appropriate D1 as Town:
1- mislynch D1 doesn't kill the game usually if Fire is actually town, so what's the big deal?
2- Fire only has 1 vote on him not gaining traction, overreaction much?
3- worst case scenario if Fire is Town is he's checked and cleared, so what's the big deal Fire?

What's eating you Fire? Your frustration doesn't line up as a Town reaction to ONE vote against you.

[Firebringer]

Basically lylo and mylo tomorrow with 3/7 odds vs. 3/9 odds assuming worst case 2 scum kills and vigi (if available) doesn't kill N1.

I'm comfortable with Gamefreak's OMGUS response as straight scum, but a night to check and improve odds doesn't hurt.

skip

Gamefreak tops my scum list

Fire's annoyance/frustration is consistent with his Town meta based on other games. However I normally don't find this frustration appropriate D1 as Town:
1- mislynch D1 doesn't kill the game usually if Fire is actually town, so what's the big deal?
2- Fire only has 1 vote on him not gaining traction, overreaction much?
3- worst case scenario if Fire is Town is he's checked and cleared, so what's the big deal Fire?

What's eating you Fire? Your frustration doesn't line up as a Town reaction to ONE vote against you.

IF you are reading my posts you know why I am annoyed.

[Frog]

IF you are reading my posts you know why I am annoyed.

Because Deathworlds is using another game as a litmus test against your behavior? That's hardly against the rules. We discuss metas all the time. We're not anon accounts. And he isn't discussing an ongoing game. So...

[Firebringer]

Because Deathworlds is using another game as a litmus test against your behavior? That's hardly against the rules. We discuss metas all the time. We're not anon accounts. And he isn't discussing an ongoing game. So...

I don't think thats what Death is doing, and what he is doing isn't allowing me to read him properly in this game.
Also it is hurting me in any game.

It kind of makes me want to replace out.

[MattZed]

Basically lylo and mylo tomorrow with 3/7 odds vs. 3/9 odds assuming worst case 2 scum kills and vigi (if available) doesn't kill N1.

I'm comfortable with Gamefreak's OMGUS response as straight scum, but a night to check and improve odds doesn't hurt.

skip

Gamefreak tops my scum list

Fire's annoyance/frustration is consistent with his Town meta based on other games. However I normally don't find this frustration appropriate D1 as Town:
1- mislynch D1 doesn't kill the game usually if Fire is actually town, so what's the big deal?
2- Fire only has 1 vote on him not gaining traction, overreaction much?
3- worst case scenario if Fire is Town is he's checked and cleared, so what's the big deal Fire?

What's eating you Fire? Your frustration doesn't line up as a Town reaction to ONE vote against you.
Wat. Are you just hoping there's a cop and that he'll check your supposed strongest scumread?

D1 lynch is absolutely not worth giving up. Chance of two scum kills is rather small. (needs no town or mafia with night actions, and a witch crazy enough to blow their load N1.) Worst case with 1 night kill is that we mislynch and tomorrow is 4v3 LYLO as opposed to 5v3 MYLO.

[Toadette]

I don't think thats what Death is doing, and what he is doing isn't allowing me to read him properly in this game.
Also it is hurting me in any game.

It kind of makes me want to replace out.

Grow up

[Toadette]

We are not no lynching

Gamefreak

[Firebringer]

Grow up

You serious?
Cause what death is doing is very inappropriate Behavior.
If I called you scum in one game and then vote you in this because of that other game you would call foul too.

[Toadette]

You serious?
Cause what death is doing is very inappropriate Behavior.
If I called you scum in one game and then vote you in this because of that other game you would call foul too.

You're threatening to replace out because of it. Really, grow up.

[Frog]

Wat. Are you just hoping there's a cop and that he'll check your supposed strongest scumread?

D1 lynch is absolutely not worth giving up. Chance of two scum kills is rather small. (needs no town or mafia with night actions, and a witch crazy enough to blow their load N1.) Worst case with 1 night kill is that we mislynch and tomorrow is 4v3 LYLO as opposed to 5v3 MYLO.

*takes a look at mechanics*

[Toadette]

This is a very vanilla setup, so I have no idea why you want to no lynch, Frog. Claim scum much?

[Frog]

This is a very vanilla setup, so I have no idea why you want to no lynch, Frog. Claim scum much?

Sure. I read it now. This setup potential is very vanilla and may as we'll treat it as such.

Witch is not guaranteed. There is 3x mafia possibility, or an extra vanilla possibility.

15 hours to go.

We should be vote shuffling more for VCA effectiveness later on.

Does anyone else find Fire's behavior incongruent with that of a Town?

[Frog]

I'll bring it up again.

Fire has no reason to be this pissed D1 if he is Town just because one person is accusing him.

It's a collective win, he should play on right?

This stall in game solving makes Fire only concerned about survival, not solving.

Anyone else get this vibe?

[Toadette]

I'll bring it up again.

Fire has no reason to be this pissed D1 if he is Town just because one person is accusing him.

It's a collective win, he should play on right?

This stall in game solving makes Fire only concerned about survival, not solving.

Anyone else get this vibe?

Yes, let's vote him

Firebringer

Better than lynching someone for saying "see you day 2"

[Firebringer]

@mod I am replacing out.

[Frog]

Yes, let's vote him

Firebringer

Better than lynching someone for saying "see you day 2"

Agreed.

Firebringer

[Firebringer]

Or mislynch my slot, either works.

[Frog]

Or mislynch my slot, either works.

We have 15 hours. Relax.

[MattZed]

I suppose I can sheep this.

Firebringer

So, Firebringer, you actually PM the host to replace out or is this yet another instance of your bluffing to?

[Frog]

Because vote shuffling and meta reasons to believe Fire is Town.

[MattZed]

Because vote shuffling and meta reasons to believe Fire is Town.
Don't you dare try to turn today into a no-lynch.

[Frog]

Don't you dare try to turn today into a no-lynch.

Vote shuffling

Finds who is legitimately willing to lynch.

POE relationships are found

The more 'serious' vote shuffling, the better for VCA.

[MattZed]

Vote shuffling

Finds who is legitimately willing to lynch.

POE relationships are found

The more 'serious' vote shuffling, the better for VCA.
POE?

[Frog]

POE - Process of Elimination

[DarknessB]

I suppose I can sheep this.

Firebringer

So, Firebringer, you actually PM the host to replace out or is this yet another instance of your bluffing to?

I mean, that's pretty much between Firebringer and the host, right? Not really our concern. I'd assume he's playing until / unless we hear otherwise.

[MattZed]

Frog, to be clear, you want us to continue "vote shuffling" so that later you can use vote-count analysis as a scumhunting tool, a general non-utilized tool on this site?

Is that because you think it's effective or because you're more experienced in dealing with it and thus know how to vote in order to give yourself a town read when we get to using your method?

[Frog]

I mean, that's pretty much between Firebringer and the host, right? Not really our concern. I'd assume he's playing until / unless we hear otherwise.

He doesn't get frustrated like this as scum.


Frog, to be clear, you want us to continue "vote shuffling" so that later you can use vote-count analysis as a scumhunting tool, a general non-utilized tool on this site?

Is that because you think it's effective or because you're more experienced in dealing with it and thus know how to vote in order to give yourself a town read when we get to using your method?

It's effective in mechanically deducing who is aligned via who must not be aligned. It's the most common method used in vanilla games I've played. Only aligned scum (mafia) would fear this.

MattZed

http://whatanerdgirlsays.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Hermione-Granger-hermione-granger-26743720-960-1280.jpg )

[Toadette]

Frog

[Sen]

Thornholt will be replacing Firebringer.

[Firebringer]

So doesn't mess up vc

[Frog]

Frog

~13 hours. Good vote imo, you already proved you were willing to lynch MattZed.

http://www.incrediblethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/disney-princess-sloths-3.gif

[MattZed]

It's effective in mechanically deducing who is aligned via who must not be aligned. It's the most common method used in vanilla games I've played. Only aligned scum (mafia) would fear this.

MattZed
Because most the players here are competent at vanilla, and you certainly couldn't exploit it to make yourself look good on a site where the method isn't commonly used.

Nice job trying to scare me into not question your methods, though.

Frog

[Frog]

I don't have my rolecard, and I see no reason to read it today. I know my mission.

Toadette

OMGUS me, you toad. I dare you.

Toadette - 1


There can only be one culprit for this blasphemy

Sen

wtf


I love the story :)

MattZed

I'm not afraid of you. Bring it!

Toadette 1
MattZed 1

(the bussing RVS)


Just got it.

Also Toadette busses scum teammates always so if Matt is scum so is Toadette.

That logic though.

MattZed

Town!Fire votes MattZed

Mattzed-2
Toadette-1


I got mine already, lying scum

Firebringer

Toadette 3-ways taking pressure off MattZed onto Town!Fire


Nononono. You haven't been in games recently, and we need you to participate so we learn your meta.

Get back in here or die.

GameFreak

MattZed pressures GameFreak (rightfully)

GameFreak - 1
Fire - 1
MattZed - 1


what he said
GameFreak

If you aren't even a little angered by the fact our free sandwiches were taken from us, you must have aided in the conspiracy.

Spruance jumps on gamefreak (easy)


mattzed

its a tradition

Troll vote

MattZed - 2
GameFreak - 2
Fire - 1


Honestly this is a HUGE deflection from an RVS vote

MattZed

L-2

Toadette demonstrates willingness to lynch MattZed, undoing her 3 way with Fire and Matt from earlier.

MattZed - 3
GameFreak - 2




motherfucker

Deathworlds wasn't seriously voting MattZed. Possible relation.

2/2 - Matt/GameFreak


!!!!

firebringer

Reopens Town!Fire redirect.


Yeah agreed. That's enough for me.

MattZed

I've dealt with this before.

If you believe there is bussing going on, do you lynch the busser or the bussee?

I lynch the busser in the event of white knighting.

I'm not sure who that is in this case. I guess MattZed started the 'bussing' even though it's Toadette's profile to bus.

MattZed slipped more than Toadette, looks scummier, and perhaps attempted to elicit the moguls from Toadette if they're teammates.

We can circle back to this pending Matt's flip:
- was Matt really bussing or framing?

I demonstrate willingness to lynch Matt putting at L-2


I'm down.

GameFreak[/]

People I'd like to hear more from:

Deathworlds, jumped on a wagon, then made one point:


Spruance
GameFreak
Darkness

To a lesser extent Calix

People who should have contributed more.


[vote]Gamefreak

Pressure

Vote shuffle 1 before circling back.


We are not no lynching

Gamefreak

Demonstrates willingness to lynch GameFreak.


Yes, let's vote him

Firebringer

Better than lynching someone for saying "see you day 2"

Demonstrates willingness to lynch Fire.

Toadette seems Town! or unaligned scum.


Agreed.

Firebringer

Reshuffle wagons.


I suppose I can sheep this.

Firebringer

So, Firebringer, you actually PM the host to replace out or is this yet another instance of your bluffing to?

Matt putting Fire at L-2. Unaligned.


He doesn't get frustrated like this as scum.



It's effective in mechanically deducing who is aligned via who must not be aligned. It's the most common method used in vanilla games I've played. Only aligned scum (mafia) would fear this.

MattZed

http://whatanerdgirlsays.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Hermione-Granger-hermione-granger-26743720-960-1280.jpg )

Circled back to Matt because his scum posts are still scummy. Looking to see which new votes join Matt wagon.


Frog

Not sure why this vote, but pretty sure Toadette is Town.


Because most the players here are competent at vanilla, and you certainly couldn't exploit it to make yourself look good on a site where the method isn't commonly used.

Nice job trying to scare me into not question your methods, though.

Frog

Truly fears Vote Count Analysis. Lol.

[Frog]

From my list:

"People I'd like to hear more from:

Deathworlds, jumped on a wagon, then made one point:(point)
Spruance
GameFreak
Darkness

To a lesser extent Calix"

Darkness contributed more, the others kind of took back seats and where is Calix. I'm guessing there's at least 1 scum in the silent group. Would appreciate vote shuffles from the afk group.

I see Toadette and me as TvT. I see Toadette and Fire as TvT.

[Toadette]

MattZed

We really should get a lynch off. In a vanilla game especially, lynching every day gives us best chance of pegging scum

Vote MattZed, or let scum win the game by default

[Frog]

MattZed

We really should get a lynch off. In a vanilla game especially, lynching every day gives us best chance of pegging scum

Vote MattZed, or let scum win the game by default

^ Rule of thumb for vanilla games. Always lynch. Unless final 4 with 1 scum left.

[MattZed]

^ Rule of thumb for vanilla games. Always lynch. Unless final 4 with 1 scum left.
And then why did you argue so adamantly against this point before?

[GameFreak]

I don't really see this need to vote

6v2v1 or 6v3 with only 1 Kpn ?
Ofcourse if our tpr gets hit we are more fucked.
I can't help but notice Frog and Toad like to vote together.

[Thornholt]

hi everyone I'm apparently replacing Firebringer. I'll start reading the thread as soon as I can

[DarknessB]

So doesn't mess up vc

Well, that sucks -- sorry to see you go, Fire. And, welcome Thornholt.

[Thornholt]

Alright, I may have skipped reafing some stuff as this is day 1, I'm at work, I have to write my day end for my FM and there's not much time left for all of that. But my biggest scum reads from what I got are: Frog and DarknessB.

Now as to why, they seem to be looking deep for scum reads that will allow bussing, too deep IMO. You may call it legit... but in past games I've read, I noticed a strong pattern for this behaviour from scum. They know who their partners are and will try to find that small word that will allow them to bus a town.

Right after them is calix, she barely posted so far and that's not her meta. Only explanation is the fact that my game is being very active right now.

That said, out of my 2 strongest leads, there is only a vote on frog. Therefore:

frog

[DarknessB]

When have I been looking for scum reads? I honestly haven't had as much time to devote to this game as I wanted to. If you can flag some posts where you think that was taking place, I will happily respond.

I don't agree with Frog's vote analysis nonsense, but his MO is typically to over-analyze.

[MattZed]

Darkness, where have you been in this game?

DarknessB

[DarknessB]

Darkness, where have you been in this game?

DarknessB

Waiting for you to vote for me of course, bb? Hard to play a game this inactive.

[DarknessB]

Thornholt, care to address the mess that Fire left before you got replaced in? I get that it's not your play, but he left a cloud around your spot, in terms of excessive saltiness with Toadette, MattZed, and deathworlds.

[MattZed]

Waiting for you to vote for me of course, bb? Hard to play a game this inactive.
I blame Calix, who decided to basically not play this game in favor of the other S-FM.

You could have tried to make activity?

[MattZed]

Speaking of Calix, maybe she'll get in here if I vote her.

Calix

[DarknessB]

Speaking of Calix, maybe she'll get in here if I vote her.

Calix

LOL, despite our legendary battles in FMs, you amuse me sometimes, MattZed. I will give you that.

[Toadette]

I don't really see this need to vote

6v2v1 or 6v3 with only 1 Kpn ?
Ofcourse if our tpr gets hit we are more fucked.
I can't help but notice Frog and Toad like to vote together.

In a vanilla game, the only way we kill scum is by voting. Your noobiness is showing

[MattZed]

Calix, it is 5 hours to day end. Read the main page sidebar and realize I am summoning you.

[Toadette]

Calix, it is 5 hours to day end. Read the main page sidebar and realize I am summoning you.

2 hours.

[DarknessB]

2 hours.

Holy shit -- really? This has been a disaster of a Day 1 given the concurrent games...

[MattZed]

2 hours.
I've mixed this game's timer up with the other S-FM's.

Calix, get in here or the other active players and I might decide your decision to not participate today has been scummy.

[Thornholt]

not sure what mess he left, he did softclaim really subtly at one point... but only someone who reads the rolecards carefully will get it. I won't push that softclaim any farther. I think it was a good one.

[Thornholt]

Speaking of Calix, maybe she'll get in here if I vote her.

Calix

last minute train switch then?

calix

[MattZed]

not sure what mess he left, he did softclaim really subtly at one point... but only someone who reads the rolecards carefully will get it. I won't push that softclaim any farther. I think it was a good one.

Calix made 3 posts, promised to be back later, and then wasn't. This is the pro-town behavior of someone worth keeping around because you think you found a cute softclaim in all that?

[Toadette]

Calix

[MattZed]

Excellent. If Darkness, Spruance, or deathworlds come back today we might not fail to lynch.

[Toadette]

Darkness is around I believe.

DARKNESS COME VOTE CALIX IN THE MATRIX GAME

[Thornholt]

Calix made 3 posts, promised to be back later, and then wasn't. This is the pro-town behavior of someone worth keeping around because you think you found a cute softclaim in all that?

wut? what mess did he leave really. the softclaim was that the rolecard for this spot is 90% town and 10% scum.

[MattZed]

wut? what mess did he leave really. the softclaim was that the rolecard for this spot is 90% town and 10% scum.
Sure, this isn't the most active game on the site atm, but we're almost at 180 posts in a 9-player game. 20 post average, and Calix is sitting at 3 when she promised to come back and post more later.

[DarknessB]

Sure, this isn't the most active game on the site atm, but we're almost at 180 posts in a 9-player game. 20 post average, and Calix is sitting at 3 when she promised to come back and post more later.

You realize we had like 80 pages in Colder War, right? This is the quietest Day 1 I remember from an S-FM in a long time.

[Toadette]

You realize we had like 80 pages in Colder War, right? This is the quietest Day 1 I remember from an S-FM in a long time.

Vote Calix or we end up no lynching and that's on you

[MattZed]

You realize we had like 80 pages in Colder War, right? This is the quietest Day 1 I remember from an S-FM in a long time.
Vote. Now. 2 Hours to day end in a vanilla game.

Both of my S-FM Suicide Alloweds had fewer D1 posts than this, despite having only 1 fewer players.

Maybe it's because the S-FMs you remember are the ones you chose to be active in. <_<

[Calix]

I blame Calix, who decided to basically not play this game in favor of the other S-FM.

You could have tried to make activity?

Fuck off.

You're blaming me for this inactive game because I didn't prod you all? How is that my sole responsibility? Blame me for not posting, fine. Blame me because nobody else is?


I've mixed this game's timer up with the other S-FM's.

Calix, get in here or the other active players and I might decide your decision to not participate today has been scummy.

Oh yeah, I am really that obvious as scum that I just don't participate. Because switching from being super-active as town to inactive as scum is really something I would do /s

It's not like I'm stretched between three games, two of which decided to host AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.

I am considering an /out on this one; I thought the timing would be a little easier on the schedule than this -_-

If anyone thinks this is scummy, whatever. I bet the scum are going for the easy mislynch despite the short timespan left.

[Toadette]

Fuck off.

You're blaming me for this inactive game because I didn't prod you all? How is that my sole responsibility? Blame me for not posting, fine. Blame me because nobody else is?



Oh yeah, I am really that obvious as scum that I just don't participate. Because switching from being super-active as town to inactive as scum is really something I would do /s

It's not like I'm stretched between three games, two of which decided to host AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.

I am considering an /out on this one; I thought the timing would be a little easier on the schedule than this -_-

If anyone thinks this is scummy, whatever. I bet the scum are going for the easy mislynch despite the short timespan left.

Genuine town frustration.

Switch to MattZed quick

MattZed

Calox, Darkness, Thorn, vote!

[MattZed]

Fuck off.

You're blaming me for this inactive game because I didn't prod you all? How is that my sole responsibility? Blame me for not posting, fine. Blame me because nobody else is?
Well, before you said "Also I'm getting mixed up between games. Am switching, will post more here in the morning." this game had just as much activity as the other one.

[Toadette]

SWITCH VOTE TO MATTZED

NO LYNCH ONLY BENEFITS SCUM

[DarknessB]

Vote Calix or we end up no lynching and that's on you

Somehow, I think you'll find a way to blame me either way:


If Calix is scum: OMG, Darkness hesitated to lynch scum, he must be scum!
If Calix is Town and Toadette coerced Darkness into voting: OMG, Darkness mislynched a Town, he must be scum!
If Calix isn't lynched: OMG, Darkness no-lynched, he must be scum!


So, you might understand why I'm not eager to play into your approach.

[MattZed]

SWITCH VOTE TO MATTZED

NO LYNCH ONLY BENEFITS SCUM
You're just splitting the train at this point.

If everyone's really going to just be this inactive, we can pile the active votes onto GameFreak, which will be a lynch on top of Spruance's vote.

[MattZed]

Somehow, I think you'll find a way to blame me either way:


If Calix is scum: OMG, Darkness hesitated to lynch scum, he must be scum!
If Calix is Town and Toadette coerced Darkness into voting: OMG, Darkness mislynched a Town, he must be scum!
If Calix isn't lynched: OMG, Darkness no-lynched, he must be scum!


So, you might understand why I'm not eager to play into your approach.
I would not have the second opinion if mislynched.

[Calix]

Well, before you said "Also I'm getting mixed up between games. Am switching, will post more here in the morning." this game had just as much activity as the other one.

No, the other game started earlier, so I got invested in that one more quickly. Then the third game started earlier than I thought it would. I'd rather have a good performance in two games than mediocre in three.

Look, I get that my posts - or rather, lack of them - have sucked balls today, but that in no way excuses the behaviour of other players who have actually posted here which you conveniently ignore.

[DarknessB]

I would not have the second opinion if mislynched.

I don't follow -- what do you mean exactly?

[MattZed]

I don't follow -- what do you mean exactly?
I wouldn't find it scummy for you if Calix flips town.

[MattZed]

No, the other game started earlier, so I got invested in that one more quickly. Then the third game started earlier than I thought it would. I'd rather have a good performance in two games than mediocre in three.

Look, I get that my posts - or rather, lack of them - have sucked balls today, but that in no way excuses the behaviour of other players who have actually posted here which you conveniently ignore.
It doesn't; your 4 posts before you came back, along with Spruance's 5 and GameFreak's 4, have dramatically contributed to the inactivity of this game.

[DarknessB]

No, the other game started earlier, so I got invested in that one more quickly. Then the third game started earlier than I thought it would. I'd rather have a good performance in two games than mediocre in three.

Look, I get that my posts - or rather, lack of them - have sucked balls today, but that in no way excuses the behaviour of other players who have actually posted here which you conveniently ignore.

Just about everyone has been pretty inactive in this game other than MattZed, Frog, Firebringer / Thornholt (combined), and deathworlds (earlier). AFK lynching someone is idiotic and I want no part of it. You're basically punishing Calix because she's usually very active and just happens to be busy, whereas other lower volume posters this game are getting a complete pass.

[DarknessB]

I wouldn't find it scummy for you if Calix flips town.

I see -- Toadette almost certainly would though. Her new meta is "frame DarknessB".

[MattZed]

You all have decided to like Calix? Fine. At least she showed up. GameFreak really hasn't, even after being called out on pledging to stay out of D1.

GameFreak

Calix, DarknessB, and GameFreak haven't voted today. Let's see if we can actually change that.

[Calix]

I wouldn't find it scummy for you if Calix flips town.

You guys only voted me...to policy lynch because I was not posting enough? And you think that I would be so utterly clueless as scum that you think I would just give up posting? I think you're full of shit.

That isn't my scum meta and you can ask Thornholt if you want proof of that.

Back to my lynch, I find it weird that you two would be so on-board with that.

[MattZed]

Just about everyone has been pretty inactive in this game other than MattZed, Frog, Firebringer / Thornholt (combined), and deathworlds (earlier). AFK lynching someone is idiotic and I want no part of it. You're basically punishing Calix because she's usually very active and just happens to be busy, whereas other lower volume posters this game are getting a complete pass.
"I would rather have a no lynch in a vanilla game than risk 'punishing' and a player for inactivity."

Vote SOMEONE or just admit you want a no lynch.

[DarknessB]

You all have decided to like Calix? Fine. At least she showed up. GameFreak really hasn't, even after being called out on pledging to stay out of D1.

GameFreak

Calix, DarknessB, and GameFreak haven't voted today. Let's see if we can actually change that.

GameFreak was previously around when there was a pressure vote on him earlier in the day and refused to respond to that. That's at least something more than lynching a null spot.

[MattZed]

GameFreak was previously around when there was a pressure vote on him earlier in the day and refused to respond to that. That's at least something more than lynching a null spot.
Do you favor a no-lynch yes or no?

[Thornholt]

well fine, calix made her point. out of the 2 trains, frog is voting Mattzed. Therefore, I'll GameFreak

[Calix]

It's either GameFreak or MattZed, it seems.

Given what I recall, I'm not fond of either of them. I don't know if MattZed's weird reasoning is because he is frustrated town or scum looking for a lynch. However, Frog is on his train. I agree with Toadette that Frog is not giving me town vibes.

However, I'll reread the chat since I'm currently sheeping Toadette's opinion.

[Toadette]

Somehow, I think you'll find a way to blame me either way:


If Calix is scum: OMG, Darkness hesitated to lynch scum, he must be scum!
If Calix is Town and Toadette coerced Darkness into voting: OMG, Darkness mislynched a Town, he must be scum!
If Calix isn't lynched: OMG, Darkness no-lynched, he must be scum!


So, you might understand why I'm not eager to play into your approach.

COOL so Darkness cares more about what people think of him versus lynching scum.

Darkness gets lynched tomorrow. I would push it now but I don't think we'll get the votes in time.

Gamefreak

[DarknessB]

Do you favor a no-lynch yes or no?

No, but it's very strange to be lynching people who have said virtually nothing. I am trying to get myself comfortable with that idea.

[DarknessB]

COOL so Darkness cares more about what people think of him versus lynching scum.

Darkness gets lynched tomorrow. I would push it now but I don't think we'll get the votes in time.

Gamefreak

Toadette, the thesis of my point was basically that you will say just about anything to get me lynched. Glad you literally played into that like clockwork. Do you have any opinions other than Darkness is scum?

[Toadette]

You guys only voted me...to policy lynch because I was not posting enough? And you think that I would be so utterly clueless as scum that you think I would just give up posting? I think you're full of shit.

That isn't my scum meta and you can ask Thornholt if you want proof of that.

Back to my lynch, I find it weird that you two would be so on-board with that.

I was voting you to get a lynch but I'm okay with you atm

[Toadette]

No, but it's very strange to be lynching people who have said virtually nothing. I am trying to get myself comfortable with that idea.

1. Says the policy king, and 2. You really do favor no lynching, RLVG Jr

[MattZed]

1-and-a-half hours left to day end and we still have 3 players in this game who aren't voting.

[DarknessB]

1. Says the policy king, and 2. You really do favor no lynching, RLVG Jr

RLVG is a fine Forum Mafia player so I take this as a compliment -- thank you. It really shouldn't be a surprise that I am the anti-MattZed in terms of throwing Day 1 votes around liberally, other than blatant policy lynch situations. This isn't a policy lynch -- this is an AFK lynch.

[MattZed]

RLVG is a fine Forum Mafia player so I take this as a compliment -- thank you. It really shouldn't be a surprise that I am the anti-MattZed in terms of throwing Day 1 votes around liberally, other than blatant policy lynch situations. This isn't a policy lynch -- this is an AFK lynch.
This is a "holy shit we need to lynch someone now and the person who's not participating seems like just as fine of a candidate as any."

[Calix]

1-and-a-half hours left to day end and we still have 3 players in this game who aren't voting.

I'm going to be around and I'm going to vote because I always do. Hold your fucking horses.

I'm not "as fine a candidate as any" - you were just desperate for any old lynch and figured mine would do, because it is you >.>

[DarknessB]

This is a "holy shit we need to lynch someone now and the person who's not participating seems like just as fine of a candidate as any."

Ugh, fine -- this game is boring as hell anyway with no participation, and I don't want to sit here and have a circlejerk discussion about AFK players. Have it your way.

GameFreak

[The Godfather]

GameFreak has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


GameFreak ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/1905') (5 [L-0]): MattZed ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=554075'), Spruance ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=552747'), Toadette ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=554092'), Thornholt ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=554086'), DarknessB ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=554115')
Firebringer ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/15644') (1 [L-4]): deathworlds ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=552964')
MattZed ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/10188') (1 [L-4]): Frog ('http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=553848')

[Sen]

The mob was tired after spending so many hours without achieving something. They decided to take a lunch break, since there are hundreds of sandwiches around, after all, but before that happened, someone suggested to kill GameFreak while he was using the toilets. Most agreed.
He was a Vanilla, and left a last will:

I can't believe you all hammered while i was in the thread making a response , fucking absurd.
You must have seen me reading the posts. Yeah i was inactive no joke , i got an exam in 10 hours.

As it often happens after eating 12 sandwiches and bludgeoning innocents to death, the group got sleepy and decided to pause until the next day.


Day 2 start. (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=time+until+3:30+pm+january+19th+cst)
Night actions and last wills must be sent at least one hour before the next day starts.
The Sandwich Lord is disappointed by your lack of enthusiasm. He'd also like you to know that this is in no way Sen's first time hosting, and that you cannot play the meta card on Sen. If those with barely any participation continue, you'll get replaced during the first hours of day 2.

[Sen]

A sudden loud noise woke up the group and lured them towards the kitchen, where they found Calix's cat eating the remains coming out of the meat processor.
She was a Vanilla and left a last will:


:calix: This is a generic Last Will :calix:

I don't expect to die on Night 1 following my stunning performance, but there's always the slight chance that scum will consider me a potential threat regardless...

I believe that the rapid vote-hopping behaviour from MattZed and Toadette is worthy of pressure tomorrow.

DarknessB hammering with time to spare could suggest that a potential scum was on the line that he was wary of town switching over to. I will let the vote counts speak for themselves here.

If this eludes you, I can highly recommend the following: -vote Frog

If nothing else, it will generate discussion or LOUD NOISES. Because this is Frog we are talking about.


The survivors decided to use the remaining of her body to make more sandwiches, and then proceeded to start pointing fingers at each other.

3


Day 2 end (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=time+until+3:30+pm+january+21st+cst)

[Frog]

I missed End if Day day 1. Not happy.

Also, be active and vote shuffle FFS.

[Frog]

It's either GameFreak or MattZed, it seems.

Given what I recall, I'm not fond of either of them. I don't know if MattZed's weird reasoning is because he is frustrated town or scum looking for a lynch. However, Frog is on his train. I agree with Toadette that Frog is not giving me town vibes.

However, I'll reread the chat since I'm currently sheeping Toadette's opinion.

^this and your last will lacks basic reasoning with supporting evidence. -_-

You were more harmful than helpful. RIP.

[Frog]

Because I'm mad that thread closed early

DarknessB

[DarknessB]

Because I'm mad that thread closed early

DarknessB

The thread closed very close to the end of the day. Many of us were there, but you were not, so that's more on you than us.

As Sen said, we need more activity on this thread if we're going to get anywhere.

[Frog]

The thread closed very close to the end of the day. Many of us were there, but you were not, so that's more on you than us.

As Sen said, we need more activity on this thread if we're going to get anywhere.

I was active all D1 with an alarm to come for end of thread. -_-

We need alternative voting setups. E.g. Non hammer voting

I'm just pissed you closed the thread. It seemed like you did it as a reaction of pressure to vote, not because you believed GameFreak was guilty.

Honestly, I fault you a little less than the instigators.

What information was gained from the GameFreak lynch? O_o

[Toadette]

LOL

[Frog]

S-FM Inactivity

[Toadette]

Yeah, the state of this game is sad.

Frog

I don't knwo why Frog town read me yesterday when I gave 0 effort, and I don't like it.

[deathworlds]

I'm interesting in pressuring darkness.

DarknessB

[Toadette]

Because I'm mad that thread closed early

DarknessB

This honestly really is a bad reason for Frog to be voting Darkness. Darkness made a pro town move by ending the day in a lynch instead of no lynch, which is always important in a vanilla game.


I was active all D1 with an alarm to come for end of thread. -_-

We need alternative voting setups. E.g. Non hammer voting

I'm just pissed you closed the thread. It seemed like you did it as a reaction of pressure to vote, not because you believed GameFreak was guilty.

Honestly, I fault you a little less than the instigators.

What information was gained from the GameFreak lynch? O_o

Frog knows better than anyone that in a vanilla setup like this, a no lynch gives scum a free pass. Frog even agreed with this point earlier when I stated it. No lynching = no lynched scum. Lynching = maybe a mislynch, but we at least have a chance to take scum down. Always worth that chance, except in MLYLO.

Frog is not making any sense here from a town standpoint. Darkness has raised 0 suspicion from me for hammering.

[Toadette]

Frog, even though this game hasn't seen much activity, where's the analysis? Where's the isos? Is it pure laziness?

[Frog]

We are not no lynching

Gamefreak

This coupled with your willingness to lynch at least 2 players demonstrated urgency to lynch and lack of connections.

Your activity was high and general solvey.

No brainer town.

[Frog]

Frog, even though this game hasn't seen much activity, where's the analysis? Where's the isos? Is it pure laziness?

Lazy. I'll ISO in a bit

[Toadette]

Lazy. I'll ISO in a bit

Aight, keeping my vote on you for now though.

[MattZed]

Not voting yet because this could be LYLO and 3 scum can just speedvote us to death.

-FOS Frog

Really, couldn't make it an hour-and-a-half before day ends? You know we needed to lynch, and you didn't think even two hours before lynch was a good time to show up?

[DarknessB]

Not voting yet because this could be LYLO and 3 scum can just speedvote us to death.

-FOS Frog

Really, couldn't make it an hour-and-a-half before day ends? You know we needed to lynch, and you didn't think even two hours before lynch was a good time to show up?

Matt is correct that quick votes are just about the worst thing we could do here with flashbacks to Charmander's Revenge in mind.

[DarknessB]

Lazy. I'll ISO in a bit

I'd like to see these ISOs as well. There just hasn't been that much posting so presumably not a big deal to put together?

[DarknessB]

This honestly really is a bad reason for Frog to be voting Darkness. Darkness made a pro town move by ending the day in a lynch instead of no lynch, which is always important in a vanilla game.



Frog knows better than anyone that in a vanilla setup like this, a no lynch gives scum a free pass. Frog even agreed with this point earlier when I stated it. No lynching = no lynched scum. Lynching = maybe a mislynch, but we at least have a chance to take scum down. Always worth that chance, except in MLYLO.

Frog is not making any sense here from a town standpoint. Darkness has raised 0 suspicion from me for hammering.

We were also running out of time and there was the risk of someone signing off or not being around to hammer. People should know when days are ending and try to be around (looks at Frog, GameFreak).

[DarknessB]

I'm interesting in pressuring darkness.

DarknessB

Typically, you pressure with some sort of questions, DW. The vote and run strategy tends to be kind of dicey in my experience.

[DarknessB]

Yeah... we really need to do something in this game... Where is everyone?

[Spruance]

No idea what's going on lol

[deathworlds]

Typically, you pressure with some sort of questions, DW. The vote and run strategy tends to be kind of dicey in my experience.

DarknessB I would like to ask you

1. What roles do you believe the scum team has.

2. If you were scum, who would you target (following the list of roles you posted above) and why.

[Thornholt]

welll... I'm dead in koopolitics. So what's happening here... let's the couple posts there were for today XD

[Thornholt]

okay, from what I gathered.

Mattzed hasn't talked yet.
Spruance is lost.
DarknessB did a strong town move with the hammer.
Toadette claims she was town read from nothing... how am I to not interpret that as a town read?!?!
Frog is blasting DarknessB and couldn't show up 1.5h b4 day end... scum read
ME, just died in koopolitics and showed up here to check the few posts that were..... posted

[Sen]

There's been like 20 messages in over a day, and over 90% of those have been done by the same 3 players.
I'm not gonna bother adjusting my schedule to work on a game where half of the players don't give a fuck about it.

Orpz, feel free to archive this. I think I'm gonna follow all of the veterans and don't bother with anything but the main FM. I miss the playerbase of a couple years ago.

[Orpz]

Hostile Takeover incoming.

Hello friends, it's me! I have decided to keep this game running by replacing in as a host :)
Now this is totally unprecedented, but I have received all the information I need as a host.

After eating the Calix sandwiches, the mob was still hungry. It was tiring work to point fingers and kill each other. However this time the mob brought reason to the discussion.
"What if...our enemy isn't among us?"
"What if...it's the guy pretending to be dead on the bathroom floor the whole time, and the key is in the bathtub drain?"
Sen never saw it coming. He had left to make himself a sandwich, and turned around only to stare down the wrong end of a pitchfork.

Sen was lynched. His role was Host.

Resetting votes...


Players List:
Deathworlds
Toadette
MattZed
Spruance
Thornholt
Frog
DarknessB

Graveyard:
Gamefreak (Vanilla) -- Lynched on Day 1
Calix (Vanilla) -- Killed on Night 1


DAY 2 WILL END AT THIS TIME (UPDATED!!!!) (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1%2F22%2F16+6%3A00+PM+PST)

[MattZed]

Let's get this started!

-FOS on Frog again

Promising a lot of activity, but not delivering. Tries to direct players without contributing himself.

[DarknessB]

Nice -- thanks, Orpz! We really need to get this game going guys. We have a second chance here -- let's not disgrace ourselves and get forced into a canceled game.

[DarknessB]

Let's get this started!

-FOS on Frog again

Promising a lot of activity, but not delivering. Tries to direct players without contributing himself.

Yeah, we need to get players into the thread in the first place to start having conversations. We're both active players, MattZed -- what do you think the best approach is?

I see Spruance floating around too who is in this game.

[DarknessB]

Spruance, I see you around. What are you thinking? Saying literally anything is better than nothing at this point.

[Toadette]

Frog

I see no reason to not lynch Frog.

[DarknessB]

As much fun as it is talking to myself, someone else is going to need to post for there to be a game...

[Toadette]

As much fun as it is talking to myself, someone else is going to need to post for there to be a game...

Naw, you're doing great by yourself.

[MattZed]

Yeah, we need to get players into the thread in the first place to start having conversations. We're both active players, MattZed -- what do you think the best approach is?

I see Spruance floating around too who is in this game.
4-5 town left, and this may be LYLO. If we don't have at least 2 people having received significant pressure today, game over.

MattZed's plan for participation:
Everyone please answer the following questions:
1. Who is your top scumread and why?
2. Who is your top townread and why?
3. Were you roleblocked last night?

[DarknessB]

Naw, you're doing great by yourself.

Thanks! :toad:

[Toadette]

Top scumread - Frog, for the reasons I stated
Top townread - Darkness actually, for being pro town on day 1
3 - no

[DarknessB]

Responses below:


4-5 town left, and this may be LYLO. If we don't have at least 2 people having received significant pressure today, game over.

MattZed's plan for participation:
Everyone please answer the following questions:
1. Who is your top scumread and why?
Probably Frog, given his earlier posts. I feel like this might be too easy though -- in a high lurking game like this wouldn't scum lurk?
If not Frog, something bothers me about how Thornholt has played so far. I know he replaced in late, but I feel like he's been around without posting. Could be the good old lurk to win.

2. Who is your top townread and why?
Toadette, because she has been to move the game forward and has taken sensible approaches thus far.

3. Were you roleblocked last night?
No.

[MattZed]

Toadette and Darkness are bold to publicly admit to buddying like that!

To meta Firebringer, he replaced out of here, but stayed in a game where he was scum. Gotta be cit.

[DarknessB]

Toadette and Darkness are bold to publicly admit to buddying like that!

To meta Firebringer, he replaced out of here, but stayed in a game where he was scum. Gotta be cit.

There are like three of us playing this game right now, lol. The rest of the game are empty slots -- there really weren't that many choices unless you want us to go back to Day 1 and try to analyze the 2 posts by deathworlds or Spruance.

[Toadette]

Toadette and Darkness are bold to publicly admit to buddying like that!

To meta Firebringer, he replaced out of here, but stayed in a game where he was scum. Gotta be cit.

Buddying actually isn't a "both of you are scum" tell - buddying is if I clear Darkness and I'm scum and he's not it's cause I'm trying to pocket him as my buddy.

[DarknessB]

Good, Thornholt is here -- please answer MattZed's questions. We need some particiaptiion or this game is probably going to get canceled again.