Top 10 Most Memorable Moments from FM18:

[FM Ferengi]

The hosts have decided to open submissions to make a list of the Top 10 Most Memorable Moments from FM18.

Somebody has already started the dead chat conversation, and we've been discussing the setup, scumlists, deadlynches, and who we think is the savage godfather!

We want to gather a list of the most noteworthy moments: the good, the facepalm inducing, and the bashing-head-into-wall-bad moments. Feel free to post moments in this thread, or submit them via PM to me. Moments can be from nightchat, daychat, or even conspiracy theories posted in deadchat. :p

Here's an example of one of my most memorable moments from FM18 so far:

FM Cohen as the arsonist who tried to pull a Wreck-it-Ralph and refused to douse or burn anyone.

Commentary:
As a host this was particularly frustrating since the setup's KPN was balanced around having a neutral evil killer. We also thought it would be cool to have a "scum trial by day" to balance the town's actual trial by day. What I mean by this is that the arsonist can douse someone at night, and their doused target should try to act scummy enough in day to "convince" the arsonist that they are scum and should be allowed to live past the arson's dayburn. This had the potential to create a really interesting dynamic of deception that ultimately never got to play out.

However, I have to say it's pretty memorable that the "arsonist" never burned anybody. Can a serial killer be called a serial killer if he doesn't kill anyone? Can one be called an arsonist if they never play with fire? :p

Link to relevant post: http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20141-Day-3?p=322464&viewfull=1#post322464

[FM Colmyer]

My whole blackmail fuck up.
Not sure if completely facepalm inducing, as it wasn't that bad of a move after all, and at this point I was probably better off dead.
BUT STILL

I'llforeverbemadaboutit.

[FM Cohen]

Good times:
Wifom battle between Cohen and Cafarelli
Cafarelli being drugged n1 and me lying about poison (suggesting drugs)
Me giving a 100% solid explanation that there could be 2 DDs (which no one believed me... well guess what!)
Cafarelli ignores my defense -
d3 totally guesses my invest pairing while having NOT checked me
Not knowing what really happened, I wifom and claim that he didn't check me and reject his invest pairing
Cafarelli ignores the fact that he could very well be wrong and cannot be certain that I'm that invest pairing and continues to tunnel vision me
My defense was 100% solid minus a role claim (which is stupid for a town to do when someone gets your invest pairing wrong)

all I can say is GJ.


facepalm inducing moments:
Parker, Parker, Parker. I've lost count how much facepalming I've done because of Parker.



bashing-head-into-wall-bad moment:

Mafia chat night 6 being a circlejerk quality flame war.

oh and the mafia were 1 minute away from having their night actions be:

GF - kill (someone)
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
Buchwalter - Roll in his grave.

Luckily, the gf posted actions for everyone right before the deadline.

[FM Cohen]

I'd like to nominate this retarded plan to let the kidnapper live and "help" town as another bashing-head-into-wall-bad moment.

TOWN!!!! WHY YOU SOO DUMB!

[FM Buchwalter]

facepalm inducing moments:
Parker, Parker, Parker. I've lost count how much facepalming I've done because of Parker.

I was just about to suggest this, but more along the line of: "Every time Parker open his mouth."


bashing-head-into-wall-bad moment:

Mafia chat night 6 being a circlejerk quality flame war.

oh and the mafia were 1 minute away from having their night actions be:

GF - kill (someone)
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
?? - Nothing
Buchwalter - Roll in his grave.

Luckily, the gf posted actions for everyone right before the deadline.

Sad thing is that I can see this happening.
I guess they were all upset and crying about my untimely death? XD

[FM Monroe]

I'd like to nominate this retarded plan to let the kidnapper live and "help" town as another bashing-head-into-wall-bad moment.

TOWN!!!! WHY YOU SOO DUMB!
I agree. I was like wut? You really think you can control ANY mafia role to do your bidding? Especially when there's still 5 left alive.

I have the vague hope that maybe they're faking it and trying to get some more information out of the day before finally hammering him. But we'll see.

[Dunn]

I'd like to nominate this retarded plan to let the kidnapper live and "help" town as another bashing-head-into-wall-bad moment.

TOWN!!!! WHY YOU SOO DUMB!

I, too, would like this to be one of the moments. Got lynched and stuff. 'Day 6: Obviously Evil"

[FM Morgan]

When I figured out who the Savage GF was and thought, "Bull shit, it's this kid?"

Also when the Savage GF decided to start killing and save the remaining recruits for the end game...

[FM Monroe]

When I figured out who the Savage GF was and thought, "Bull shit, it's this kid?"

Also when the Savage GF decided to start killing and save the remaining recruits for the end game...

Donnellol?

[FM Cafarelli]

1) when i guessed he is drug dealer/kidnapper and he was actually arsonist but the pairing was stil right
2) when i got cohen lynched on the basis that there are not 2 drug dealers which turned out to be wrong and cohen was still scum

[FM Cafarelli]

oh and 3) when dunn tried to side with the mayor to not get lynched

[FM Spartacus]

Night 1 to Night 7 Mafia night chat. Not sure about the other 3 points in the top 10.

[FM Morgan]

Lictmann's rage on D8. :)

[FM Phelps]

Parkers follow up to Lichtmanns rage and epic logic about lurking is a town tell.

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20732-Day-8?p=332571&viewfull=1#post332571

[FM Lichtmann]

Oh my rage was infuriating, but i do think thats a great moment. our mayor desrves lvp or mvp scum XD

I hate her becasue she fails to see facts sometimes.

[FM Phelps]

I've seen worse than Parker. Not her fault when nobody more experienced bothers to lead town. Oh wait we shot them all early hueheuheueh

[FM Cafarelli]

oh i forgot one important: how the hosts trolled us including 2 drug dealers making the maf more or less OP^^

[FM Bishop]

Stop whining about the DDs. It's your fault to put so much weight onto your assumptions concerning the setup.

[FM Cafarelli]

come on -.-
assumptions on the role list are important; i did not give them too much weight because i never thought them to be 100% safe (see my probability post in the other thread). it can't even be my fault because i didn't do anything wrong.

also i'm not even talking (i wouldn't call it 'whining') about the unpredictability of the setup but of the overpoweredness of the mafia.

[FM Cafarelli]

also another: how hosts tried to avoid the 'sheep the PRs' but in the end all sheep (bad) mayor

[FM Cafarelli]

come on -.-
assumptions on the role list are important; i did not give them too much weight because i never thought them to be 100% safe (see my probability post in the other thread). it can't even be my fault because i didn't do anything wrong.

also i'm not even talking (i wouldn't call it 'whining') about the unpredictability of the setup but about the overpoweredness of the mafia.

corrected

[FM Ferengi]

come on -.-
assumptions on the role list are important; i did not give them too much weight because i never thought them to be 100% safe (see my probability post in the other thread). it can't even be my fault because i didn't do anything wrong.

also i'm not even talking (i wouldn't call it 'whining') about the unpredictability of the setup but of the overpoweredness of the mafia.

I think that all factions were pretty OP in this setup. (Not just the mafia).

Savages can create their choice of investigative PRs.
Mafia has immense potential to cause confusion.
Town has a ton of non investigative PRs: just check the graveyard. Additionally I think escort is one of the most powerful roles in mafia, especially with this OoO; and town got 2 of them.


also another: how hosts tried to avoid the 'sheep the PRs' but in the end all sheep (bad) mayor

Wow I didn't even realize that, but you're right!

[FM Bishop]

The grass is always greener on the other side. I do not think that the Mafia was overpowered. No extra kpn, no investigation role - just some utility and plain old deception.

[FM Lichtmann]

also another: how hosts tried to avoid the 'sheep the PRs' but in the end all sheep (bad) mayor

what would be funny is if damus had mayor. it would be like, scums are these ppl gg, doc/bus driver on me. that would be oped, he would do day one reveal and be like FUCK YOU ALL IM MAYOR BITCH, or even funnier/horrable for town would be n1, mayor shot by random maf kill. and it was titus, i would be laughing so hard.

[FM Lichtmann]

also this

-Deadlynch FM Cafarelli

lets see who you really are

[FM Lichtmann]

also this

-Deadlynch FM Cafarelli

lets see who you really are

qq wrong locations... add this to list XD

[FM Hogeboom]

also this

-Deadlynch FM Cafarelli

lets see who you really are
ITS APACHE

LIKE 100% SURE :D

I already correctly guessed him last FM, it's the same now.

Some may now know who I am (and some already do). :P

[FM Cafarelli]

the confusion's not the problem, i just think they have too much support roles. blackmailer, drug dealer, consort and kidnapper are all support roles. ok 3 of them can act as deception roles but in this game they didnt (at least when i lived). blackmailer caused mainly suicides when targets weren't killed anyway, drug dealer acted as buffed consort, kidnapper hm i don't know the reasons for his bussings but it didn't cause confusion


don't deadlynch me ;) someone already guessed my COM. and obviously it's not ika because that's lichtmann^^

hm who guessed my COM first last game? don krieg. hm damn it who was this i dont want to log off to check
noctiz i think. correct?

[FM Lichtmann]

the confusion's not the problem, i just think they have too much support roles. blackmailer, drug dealer, consort and kidnapper are all support roles. ok 3 of them can act as deception roles but in this game they didnt (at least when i lived). blackmailer caused mainly suicides when targets weren't killed anyway, drug dealer acted as buffed consort, kidnapper hm i don't know the reasons for his bussings but it didn't cause confusion


don't deadlynch me ;) someone already guessed my COM. and obviously it's not ika because that's lichtmann^^

hm who guessed my COM first last game? don krieg. hm damn it who was this i dont want to log off to check
noctiz i think. correct?

Well at first some ppl count guess my com, it just make it apparent when i die.

I know one person couldnt figure it out

[FM Hogeboom]

the confusion's not the problem, i just think they have too much support roles. blackmailer, drug dealer, consort and kidnapper are all support roles. ok 3 of them can act as deception roles but in this game they didnt (at least when i lived). blackmailer caused mainly suicides when targets weren't killed anyway, drug dealer acted as buffed consort, kidnapper hm i don't know the reasons for his bussings but it didn't cause confusion


don't deadlynch me ;) someone already guessed my COM. and obviously it's not ika because that's lichtmann^^

hm who guessed my COM first last game? don krieg. hm damn it who was this i dont want to log off to check
noctiz i think. correct?

Hallo Kamerad! :D

[FM Ferengi]

Hallo Kamerad! :D

So many Germans!! :O

[FM Hogeboom]

So many Germans!! :O

You think so? I only know of 3 including me. :o

[FM Ferengi]

You think so? I only know of 3 including me. :o

Apache, CmG, NoctiZ, Phyr, Zane...
And I think Biersteker and LeaD?

[FM Hogeboom]

Apache, CmG, NoctiZ, Phyr, Zane...
And I think Biersteker and LeaD?

I remember reading a conversation between CmG and LeaD so that's true. Didn't know about Phyr and Zane but barely know them and Biersteker is German? Maybe I just forgot but that's cool.

[FM Phelps]

Biersteker is from norway

[Alphege]

If we can start voting for player choice MVPs...

Most Pro-Scum MVP: FM Parker
Most Pro-Town MVP: FM Dunn

[FM Morgan]

If we can start voting for player choice MVPs...

Most Pro-Scum MVP: FM Parker
Most Pro-Town MVP: FM Dunn

We should like, so do this.

[FM Monroe]

There wasn't anything pro-town about Dunn aside from him presenting us his role on a silver platter through a dreadfully obvious kidnapper article.

He didn't actually help the town. I think Buchwalter earns that title more for his claim tables (though not his notes on players).

[FM Ferengi]

Players choice cannot be voted on until the epilogue when all nightchats are opened and you guys can gain a full picture of each player's contributions to their factions.

That being said, feel free to use this thread to suggest minor awards for players who did something particularly memorable during the game.

[FM Phelps]

I nominate Hitler

[FM Hogeboom]

I posted like once. Nominate me for flying under the radar for the whole time I lived!

[FM Lichtmann]

nominate titus for lynching the doc

nominate me for raging at titus

[Alphege]

There wasn't anything pro-town about Dunn aside from him presenting us his role on a silver platter through a dreadfully obvious kidnapper article.

He didn't actually help the town. I think Buchwalter earns that title more for his claim tables (though not his notes on players).

I was thinking the
Option 1: Town sticks to Kidnapper's plan, has minor chance.
Option 2: Town lynches Kidnapper, loses miserable and hilariously.
situation.
Just saying, I said if I was lynched Town would lose, and they will. Odds were low with my plan, but higher than the sure fire lose that they will suffer now.

[FM Monroe]

The plan posted by Dunn was terrible and would eliminate any chance of winning the town had, because the mafia was way too powerful at the time. Lynching Dunn was the right thing to do. In fact, he should've been lynched the day before.

The reason the town lost wasn't because they didn't listen to Dunn, it's because they lynched the doctor.

[FM Monroe]

If you seriously think the town would stand the best chance random lynching people until they got lucky with the savage godfather, you must be out of your mind :p

[Alphege]

The plan posted by Dunn was terrible and would eliminate any chance of winning the town had, because the mafia was way too powerful at the time. Lynching Dunn was the right thing to do. In fact, he should've been lynched the day before.

The reason the town lost wasn't because they didn't listen to Dunn, it's because they lynched the doctor.


If you seriously think the town would stand the best chance random lynching people until they got lucky with the savage godfather, you must be out of your mind :p

Day before... yea. lol. But the plan Dunn posted was pretty pro-town. It gave them a, minimal, but small chance to win. They decided against it.. and what is going to happen? If you seriously think the town would stand a chance lynching people that mathematically guaranteed a lose you must be out of your mind :P

[FM Bishop]

If I had to sum the game up to this point, it would be something like this:
Arsonist doesn't douse. Mayor does what he pleases.
The last statement would prolly be "[faction] wins."

[FM Monroe]

Day before... yea. lol. But the plan Dunn posted was pretty pro-town. It gave them a, minimal, but small chance to win. They decided against it.. and what is going to happen? If you seriously think the town would stand a chance lynching people that mathematically guaranteed a lose you must be out of your mind :P

Well your math is terrible then. If they had kept lynching scum, they could definitely still have won. All it would take was a successful doctor heal or one scum team hitting a target on the other scum team and the town would be back in the game.

If they had lynched random people until they magically hit the savage godfather, they would just be giving the game away to the mafia. You don't need math for it, I think that should be blatantly obvious. If you think that plan wasn't absolutely terrible for the town, you're delusional. The only thing the town could do to win in this situation was whittle down numbers of both scum factions and force them to oppose each other. Especially considering lynching the savage GF likely wouldn't even eliminate their night kill.

I think you're just annoyed the town didn't go with the 99% mafia victory plan.

[Forum Mafia GM]

Facepalm inducing moment: The forums went down night 10!

Bashing-head-into-wall moments: Day 10, where we will be playing old school voting and the hosts will be spending double time checking votes. (vote counter no longer working)

[FM Lichtmann]

Facepalm inducing moment: The forums went down night 10!

Bashing-head-into-wall moments: Day 10, where we will be playing old school voting and the hosts will be spending double time checking votes. (vote counter no longer working)

fake votes ftw ;)

[FM Black]

Facepalm inducing moment: The forums went down night 10!

Bashing-head-into-wall moments: Day 10, where we will be playing old school voting and the hosts will be spending double time checking votes. (vote counter no longer working)

Ahhh hahahaha, have fun

[FM Cafarelli]

dunn's plan was indeed terrible.

[Alphege]

dunn's plan was indeed terrible.

How did Town do without following it?

[Alphege]

Also, the math wasn't supposed to be perfect, it was supposed to be enough to convince Parker. Which almost panned out, it seemed.

The point of the attempt to convince of the plan was this.
1: Town was gonna lose if Dunn was lynched right then. They did it, they will lose.
2: Town got a slight increase in chance if they defeated Savages first, and the Mafia/Savages had no reason to kill eachother as Bishop has stated. Town was the majority and would be double wrecked at night.

My plan was, obviously, most helpful for Mafia. However, it would have given town a slightly better chance. You can talk about 'Doctor could have healed, Escort could have this or that' all you want, but those things remained possibilities regardless of which path, so the point is moot. And if you wish to claim that Town was better off without Dunn's plan please show me the Town victory that came from your plan of action.

[FM Monroe]

How did Town do without following it?

Better than they would have if they had :p

[FM Monroe]

Your plan would have been a plain and simple mafia victory. The town's chances of winning would NOT have increased if they had followed it. They were already in a pretty dire situation at the time and needed some luck to be able to win at all. Luck wasn't on their side so they got the short end of the stick.

If they had gone with the plan, there had been no stick to begin with. Chances were they would have mislynched that same day and been out of the game immediately. At least now they still managed to take down 2 mafia.

[FM Cafarelli]

we didn't lose because of the dunn lynch.

your plan would only be better if we know all savages including the savage gf. when it would be like lynch savage gf and the others will suicide/be clubbed

[FM Monroe]

we didn't lose because of the dunn lynch.

your plan would only be better if we know all savages including the savage gf. when it would be like lynch savage gf and the others will suicide/be clubbed

Exactly. It assumed perfect guesswork.

[Alphege]

Exactly. It assumed perfect guesswork.

Correct, and I told you you would lose if you didn't get them right.
You didn't. You lost. The 'Dunn lynch' didn't lose the game for you, not lynching the Savages ASAP did.
I'm not contesting that my plan was pro-Mafia; oh no, a scum that was pro-scum, but what you people seem blind to was that I told you you would lose if you didn't listen.. you didn't listen.. and you lost.
My plan was going to give Town a ratio of about 6 Town to 5 Mafia, assuming we all survived. That is only a minor window to act in, but it was better than what I like to call.... the lose you instead selected to guarantee.

[Alphege]

Loss*
iPad underpowered.

[FM Monroe]

Correct, and I told you you would lose if you didn't get them right.
You didn't. You lost. The 'Dunn lynch' didn't lose the game for you, not lynching the Savages ASAP did.
I'm not contesting that my plan was pro-Mafia; oh no, a scum that was pro-scum, but what you people seem blind to was that I told you you would lose if you didn't listen.. you didn't listen.. and you lost.
My plan was going to give Town a ratio of about 6 Town to 5 Mafia, assuming we all survived. That is only a minor window to act in, but it was better than what I like to call.... the lose you instead selected to guarantee.

You seem to fail to see that such a window was worse than what the town chose for. There was still a tiny chance to recover from 1 mislynch on a cit somewhere down the road when not going with your plan, whereas going with your plan would've meant an instant loss for the town because a citizen would have been mislynched that very day.

Just that the town failed to recover now doesn't mean that your plan would've yielded a better result for them.

[FM Buchwalter]

There wasn't anything pro-town about Dunn aside from him presenting us his role on a silver platter through a dreadfully obvious kidnapper article.

He didn't actually help the town. I think Buchwalter earns that title more for his claim tables (though not his notes on players).

I earn the title of what now?

I will agree that I may have helped Town more then some of the other Townies, but do not see how that would make me Town MVP.

[FM Monroe]

The suggested title was pro-town MVP. As in, (scum) player making himself useful for the town.

[FM Buchwalter]

The suggested title was pro-town MVP. As in, (scum) player making himself useful for the town.

Ok yeah I can see this, but I still was not helpful enough to not get fingers pointed at me. Even without the Soma miscalculation....

Really mad at my self for not having done the Soma calculations sooner, should never have given the Soma to our Godfather.

[FM Buchwalter]

Godfather

Ok that was a funny error on my part.

-Tosses red paint on the word.-

Godfather'

There.

[FM Phelps]

Lol why? There were plenty of ways to not getting lynched that day.

[FM Buchwalter]

Lol why? There were plenty of ways to not getting lynched that day.

What are you talking about now?

[FM Bishop]

Claiming witched a day earlier for example.

[FM Buchwalter]

Claiming witched a day earlier for example.

That would have meant that I had with-held information. Unless you mean that I should have claimed witched the same day I was sending the fake Soma.

[FM Bishop]

That would have meant that I had with-held information. Unless you mean that I should have claimed witched the same day I was sending the fake Soma.I meant the latter one.

[FM Buchwalter]

I meant the latter one.

I already said a number of times that I miscalculated the time we had to use the Soma in.

Also I had hoped Earle was Delta. Think Phelps (?) said that Earle was a fun target in our night-char cause Earle had said something bad about me the day before.

In short, it was a screw up. Maybe if Switzerland had been a little nicer with a few of the questions I asked that night it would have gone better.

Anyway, it was fun!

[FM Bishop]

Oh yeah, this is definitely a memorable moment: Kalou makes the Cult implode. (http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/20935-Day-11?p=336709&viewfull=1#post336709)

[FM Ferengi]

I already said a number of times that I miscalculated the time we had to use the Soma in.

Also I had hoped Earle was Delta. Think Phelps (?) said that Earle was a fun target in our night-char cause Earle had said something bad about me the day before.

In short, it was a screw up. Maybe if Switzerland had been a little nicer with a few of the questions I asked that night it would have gone better.

Anyway, it was fun!

B-b-but I'm not supposed to make it too easy for you guys. You have to guess when your soma was made and when it will expire on your own!

[FM Buchwalter]

B-b-but I'm not supposed to make it too easy for you guys. You have to guess when your soma was made and when it will expire on your own!

Happy that you know what questions I was thinking of.

Logically I knew when my Soma was made, and I did reword my question afterwards if I remember correctly.

[FM Ferengi]

Happy that you know what questions I was thinking of.

Logically I knew when my Soma was made, and I did reword my question afterwards if I remember correctly.

But in future days you might not know. I think it's just a slippery slope to start answering "When does my soma expire" questions. Especially since they can be answered straight from reading the setup.

[FM Buchwalter]

But in future days you might not know. I think it's just a slippery slope to start answering "When does my soma expire" questions. Especially since they can be answered straight from reading the setup.

As you can see now it was not a that stupid question, as I got it wrong and got my self lynched.

But whatever, mostly my fault.

[FM Cafarelli]

hey the host couldn't even tell me if i got vests or soma... so i tried to use it every night

[FM Ferengi]

As you can see now it was not a that stupid question, as I got it wrong and got my self lynched.

But whatever, mostly my fault.

These are the questions you asked regarding soma and their answers:


When does the Soma disappear? At the end of the 4th night? Or start of 4th night?

Quoting the soma mechanics: Any hit of Soma expires on the 4th day after it has come into play.



When does the Soma I have run out?

This is information that I can't tell you because in some instances, a player will not know what night the soma they were given came into play.

Hopefully you can understand why I cannot answer a "When does the Soma I have run out?" type of question since players may not know if they have received real soma, what night their soma was created, etc.

[Forum Mafia GM]

facepalm moment:

what the savages plan on doing tonight (night 12)... at least so far.

[FM Buchwalter]

These are the questions you asked regarding soma and their answers:


When does the Soma disappear? At the end of the 4th night? Or start of 4th night?

Quoting the soma mechanics: Any hit of Soma expires on the 4th day after it has come into play.


When does the Soma I have run out?

This is information that I can't tell you because in some instances, a player will not know what night the soma they were given came into play.

Hopefully you can understand why I cannot answer a "When does the Soma I have run out?" type of question since players may not know if they have received real soma, what night their soma was created, etc.

Yeah I know, then it was the following night I asked in more detail i think. "Soma made on night 2 will expire day 6, right?" or something along those lines. Point at the time was that, I was Mafia and knew that the Soma could not be fake, and it was night 3 so there was only one batch of Soma in game.

Anyway the fact is still that I should have just done the math sooner. Just sad because if I had done the math sooner I would not have passed the Soma to our Godfather.

No need to cry over spilled milk. So let us look at the future! Towards the dying Savages!

PS: You gave away my night-account name! Noooooo! I'm melting!

[FM Buchwalter]

facepalm moment:

what the savages plan on doing tonight (night 12)... at least so far.

Details! I wanna know!

[FM Phelps]

hope they kill the witch!

[FM Phelps]

Yeah I know, then it was the following night I asked in more detail i think. "Soma made on night 2 will expire day 6, right?" or something along those lines. Point at the time was that, I was Mafia and knew that the Soma could not be fake, and it was night 3 so there was only one batch of Soma in game.

Anyway the fact is still that I should have just done the math sooner. Just sad because if I had done the math sooner I would not have passed the Soma to our Godfather.

No need to cry over spilled milk. So let us look at the future! Towards the dying Savages!

PS: You gave away my night-account name! Noooooo! I'm melting!

Yeah sorry the time windows of FM 18 were pretty atrocious for me. I usually was too tired to think of everything when the discussion started. We should have had some code to begin with at day if somebody received some stuff like soma. We should have used more with druggings and the night where you transfered the soma to the godfather. I didn't thought it 100% through. Otherwise i would have suggested that we swap drug the target as well which we gave the fake soma too. So we could have get a double kill and 2 miss lynches. Which would have been a very good move.

Like i said the night chat wasn't a firework of brilliant ideas. Which is kinda weird if you look how many "renowned" players we had in this team. "cough" "cough".

[FM Phelps]

Yeah sorry the time windows of FM 18 were pretty atrocious for me. I usually was too tired to think of everything when the discussion started. We should have had some code to begin with at day if somebody received some stuff like soma. We should have used more witch druggings and the night where you transfered the soma to the godfather. I didn't thought it 100% through. Otherwise i would have suggested that we swap drug the target as well which we gave the fake soma too. So we could have get a double kill and 2 miss lynches. Which would have been a very good move.

Like i said the night chat wasn't a firework of brilliant ideas. Which is kinda weird if you look how many "renowned" players we had in this team. "cough" "cough".

Fixed. Yeah and mafia sucked.

[FM Buchwalter]

Fixed. Yeah and mafia sucked.

Yeah, we could have done better. But our chances to win are back now!

[FM Phelps]

The biggest issue i had was that the godfather couldn't overwrite his teammates. Like he normaly can. No matter if there is cult who can recruit mafia or not. Just to keep the team on the right track. I understand though why you changed the night action overwrite rules after N1. Still that was contraproductive.

[FM Cafarelli]

why what was changed^^

[FM Monroe]

Yeah, we could have done better. But our chances to win are back now!

They were never gone. Sure Donnelly's death must have been a setback, but other than that the mafia was always bigger than the cult.

[FM Monroe]

And the mafia doesn't lose extra members if any of them dies.

[FM Ferengi]

why what was changed^^

Mafia members kept complaining to me that other people were setting their night actions as something they didn't want to do. So the night action submission method was that all actions should be posted in bold red text in mafia nightchat, and any player can set actions for themselves and their teammates. However if a player sets an action for themself, it overrides anything that any other member may have set for them.

Because of this, you get random guys submitting night actions at the beginning of night that are completely different from what is agreed upon at the end of night, but due to time zones, the player who set their action can't change it... But at least I stopped getting PMs from upset players who were wondering why someone chose their action... You just get mafia members mad at each other for refusing to cooperate when everyone does their actions with their own self interests in mind.

[FM Bishop]

Sounds like Cult night chat was chilled.

[FM Lichtmann]

Mafia members kept complaining to me that other people were setting their night actions as something they didn't want to do. So the night action submission method was that all actions should be posted in bold red text in mafia nightchat, and any player can set actions for themselves and their teammates. However if a player sets an action for themself, it overrides anything that any other member may have set for them.

Because of this, you get random guys submitting night actions at the beginning of night that are completely different from what is agreed upon at the end of night, but due to time zones, the player who set their action can't change it... But at least I stopped getting PMs from upset players who were wondering why someone chose their action... You just get mafia members mad at each other for refusing to cooperate when everyone does their actions with their own self interests in mind.

thats how it should go, others can set their action if afk/away/allow it. but if player comes on and gives action it overrides it. i think godfather should only have final say on who gets killed (like how it is donw in SC2) IF someone else is being sent

[FM Morgan]

I lost access to my night chat D: I can't figure out what my buddies are doing D:

[FM Ferengi]

I lost access to my night chat D: I can't figure out what my buddies are doing D:

Blame Ballard. He posted that he still had access to it, FM Game Master was alerted that he had access when he shouldn't have had it, and you both were removed :P

[FM Cajetan]

Blame Ballard. He posted that he still had access to it, FM Game Master was alerted that he had access when he shouldn't have had it, and you both were removed :P

:( but I'm a dead Cult! I was just lurking to see what they were doing

[FM Earle]

You just get mafia members mad at each other for refusing to cooperate when everyone does their actions with their own self interests in mind.

We should stop this nonsense of scum teams and night chats. Who needs mafia and cults when we can have neutrals instead.

[FM Buchwalter]

Mafia members kept complaining to me that other people were setting their night actions as something they didn't want to do. So the night action submission method was that all actions should be posted in bold red text in mafia nightchat, and any player can set actions for themselves and their teammates. However if a player sets an action for themself, it overrides anything that any other member may have set for them.

Because of this, you get random guys submitting night actions at the beginning of night that are completely different from what is agreed upon at the end of night, but due to time zones, the player who set their action can't change it... But at least I stopped getting PMs from upset players who were wondering why someone chose their action... You just get mafia members mad at each other for refusing to cooperate when everyone does their actions with their own self interests in mind.

Yeah the first night was a little confusing, even more so because nothing was said about what actions were accepted. I really had no idea that I had been sent to do an action till half way into day 1. This was because we had all been talking about not using Blackmailer and Drug Dealer abilities night 1, and then came Donnelly and sat night-actions for everyone.

It may be because this is my first FM, and I saw nothing about how this worked in the setup thread.

But I asked Switzerland to nicely post a list of all confirmed night-actions at the end of each night. It was much easier after that, so thank you very much Switzerland.

But hey, thanks to Donnelly we feedback prevented Cafarelli night 1!

[FM Ferengi]

Yeah the first night was a little confusing, even more so because nothing was said about what actions were accepted. I really had no idea that I had been sent to do an action till half way into day 1. This was because we had all been talking about not using Blackmailer and Drug Dealer abilities night 1, and then came Donnelly and sat night-actions for everyone.

It may be because this is my first FM, and I saw nothing about how this worked in the setup thread.

But I asked Switzerland to nicely post a list of all confirmed night-actions at the end of each night. It was much easier after that, so thank you very much Switzerland.

But hey, thanks to Donnelly we feedback prevented Cafarelli night 1!

Yes, it was a bit of a host oversight since we erroneously assumed that people would know how to submit their actions in night chat or someone would at least ask "host is it ok if we submit actions in night chat?" like in most other FM's :P or that the other co-host would take care of instructing people on how to submit actions.

There was also a bit of confusion with regard to who was doing night action processing and both cohosts being on the same page (you may recall the N1 nonstandard feedback PMs being sent out) x____x

I'm just glad that we were able to iron things out by night 2 and that all affected parties were able to remain flexible and optimistic despite those errors.

[FM Buchwalter]

Yes, it was a bit of a host oversight since we erroneously assumed that people would know how to submit their actions in night chat or someone would at least ask "host is it ok if we submit actions in night chat?" like in most other FM's :P or that the other co-host would take care of instructing people on how to submit actions.

There was also a bit of confusion with regard to who was doing night action processing and both cohosts being on the same page (you may recall the N1 nonstandard feedback PMs being sent out) x____x

I'm just glad that we were able to iron things out by night 2 and that all affected parties were able to remain flexible and optimistic despite those errors.

I did just assume that in order to take no action I simply had to not post an action. Maybe I have played to much -Mafiia- and thought it was the same in that regard.

Even if you say the errors were that major, it has still been a lot of fun!

[FM Parker]

This game was a lot of fun. I'm Titus. This was my first FM. I didn't want Mayor lol and I cracked under sheeping pressure. I knew I might get shot at some point or mess up so I took the methods I thought were most likely to leave clues like faking enforcer. I wasn't LVP though. That goes to all the inactives who weren't helpful at all. Ugh.

[FM Lichtmann]

This game was a lot of fun. I'm Titus. This was my first FM. I didn't want Mayor lol and I cracked under sheeping pressure. I knew I might get shot at some point or mess up so I took the methods I thought were most likely to leave clues like faking enforcer. I wasn't LVP though. That goes to all the inactives who weren't helpful at all. Ugh.

titus we deadlynched you. it was also apprent to some of us due to your playstyle. you will quickly learn that in m-fm and big fms, everyone will try to figure you out, if you play the same playstle each game anons will not help, if you know who i am (and ive been mention sevral times) you will notice my playstyle is quite diffrent. everyone knew gallowway was damus though.... im just surprized you didnt figure it out

[FM Lichtmann]

also titus when it comes to big fms, you will HAVE lurkers in the game, thats one of the things with big fms you have to acccount for the lurkers

[FM Parker]

titus we deadlynched you. it was also apprent to some of us due to your playstyle. you will quickly learn that in m-fm and big fms, everyone will try to figure you out, if you play the same playstle each game anons will not help, if you know who i am (and ive been mention sevral times) you will notice my playstyle is quite diffrent. everyone knew gallowway was damus though.... im just surprized you didnt figure it out

I think I know who you are. I think I knew when I lynched you. This whole thing is a learning experience for me. I knew the town was in trouble when I drew Mayor. It's not like I could say that though. I did the best I could. I have no regrets but lynching you was wrong for the town in hindsight.

[FM Earle]

I knew the town was in trouble when I drew Mayor. It's not like I could say that though.

Nonsense. You still hammered 3 scums.

[FM Parker]

Nonsense. You still hammered 3 scums.

I did ok. But I've had no experience in major M-FMs which was a huge drawback to the town. Plus, mayor I feel is the HARDEST role to play in a game this large. I love the challenge but I don't think I was the best Mayor for the town. ;)

[FM Lichtmann]

I did ok. But I've had no experience in major M-FMs which was a huge drawback to the town. Plus, mayor I feel is the HARDEST role to play in a game this large. I love the challenge but I don't think I was the best Mayor for the town. ;)

titus you should see that my com was already mentioned throught this thread once i die i do nothing to hide it, the fact is that you should know when someone rages that hard when at their breaking point 99% of the time is is a tell they are town.

i dont think i have ever raged like that before on fourm games (minus one game) but still, you need to be independent, i still falter with that and just kinda sheep a lot but at same time i can be somewhat independent. it just that damus is really good at manipulation.....

i still need to learn that if an analizer is still alive, they are probally scum. 1 analizer can beat 2-3 tprs easy sometimes

[FM Cafarelli]

i for once started with FMXVII, before that i didn't even do a sfm, just sc2maf. i'm glad i rolled just citizen and i think i did very ok

[FM Buchwalter]

titus we deadlynched you. it was also apprent to some of us due to your playstyle. you will quickly learn that in m-fm and big fms, everyone will try to figure you out, if you play the same playstle each game anons will not help, if you know who i am (and ive been mention sevral times) you will notice my playstyle is quite diffrent. everyone knew gallowway was damus though.... im just surprized you didnt figure it out

If or when I play my second FM, I will be in trouble then. I really enjoy keeping tallies...

[FM Lichtmann]

If or when I play my second FM, I will be in trouble then. I really enjoy keeping tallies...

in b4 you roll tpr

[FM Buchwalter]

in b4 you roll tpr

Point.

[FM Donnelly]

i for once started with FMXVII, before that i didn't even do a sfm, just sc2maf. i'm glad i rolled just citizen and i think i did very ok

Who were you in FM XVII? You remind me a lot of Soul King Brook from last game.

[FM Donnelly]

in b4 you roll tpr

I wish I could do this... T.T

[FM Cafarelli]

yep soul king brook

[FM Lichtmann]

I wish I could do this... T.T

XD