S-FM 51: Civil War

[Cryptonic]

S-FM : Civil War

Day One


EVERYONE must send me a PM today with a list from 1 to 5 declaring what 5 Town roles appear in this game. 1 is most desirable, while 5 is the least desirable. If I do not receive a PM from you with this information by the end of today, you will be replaced. At the end of the today, all Town members will receive their role cards. The rolelist will remain hidden.


PM1:
1. Bodyguard
2. Bus Driver
3. Citizen
4. Coroner
5. Detective

PM2:
1. Doctor
2. Escort
3. Investigator
4. Lookout
5. Veteran

PM3:
1. Citizen
2. Coroner
3. Detective
4. Doctor
5. Escort

Resulting Rolelist:
Bodyguard
Citizen
Coroner
Doctor
Escort


Following the example above, please send me a PM (after some discussion, if you wish) listing your top 5 roles.
Possible Roles: Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Citizen, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Investigator, Lookout, Veteran.




Role List
Town Leader
Town
Town
Vigilante
Town
Town
Town
Town
Town
Citizen


Player List
Fatalis
RLVG
Bunny
creedkingsx
AppleyNO
MintBerry Crunch
Fajer
TheDarkestLight
Espozito
SuperJack


There will be no lynch today.
Day One may be skipped with majority vote and after I receive a PM from all players with their lists.
Subsequent days may not be skipped.

Day One ends in 24 hours, at 5:00 PM PST, January 4. (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5+PM+PST+January+5)

[AppleyNO]

Hello.

How is everyone doing?

[creedkingsx]

Everyone should post their vote towards the role list.

[creedkingsx]

Will Town be voting for the day vote for roles?

[creedkingsx]

1 is most desirable, while 5 is the least desirable.

listing your top 5 roles.


I am also confused my these 2 statements. Do we vote our top 5 or a scaled 1-5 1 being most desired, 5 least?

[AppleyNO]

Everyone should post their vote towards the role list.
I kinda already sent in my list :P

Veteran
Coroner
Bodyguard
Investigator
Doctor

Is what I voted for.

[RLVG]

Are we even suppose to show what we voted for?

[AppleyNO]

Are we even suppose to show what we voted for?
I don't see why not.

We can also discuss what roles we want, and then everyone can send Crypt the same rolelist xD

[RLVG]

I don't see why not.

We can also discuss what roles we want, and then everyone can send Crypt the same rolelist xD

Really? The town are suppose to be hidden, lol.

I've already sendt my vote so I can't change it I think.

[Fatalis]

HAI
I'm gonna send my votes now

[creedkingsx]

I wanna know which way the list is supposed to be first.

[Cryptonic]

Will Town be voting for the day vote for roles?

Yes, they do.

[Cryptonic]

I am also confused my these 2 statements. Do we vote our top 5 or a scaled 1-5 1 being most desired, 5 least?

I posted an example in the OP.
You vote your top 5 that you want the 5 undetermined town to be.
Position 1 gives that role a higher chance of spawning.

[Cryptonic]

To clarify how to make up your list:
1. Place the 10 possible roles in order of your desirability to them appearing in the game. (1 most desirable, 10 least desirable)
2. Copy the top 5.
3. Paste the top 5 in a PM to me.

How it works:
Every role in the #1 position gets 5 points.
Every role in the #3 position gets 3 points.
Every role in the #5 position gets 1 point.

The roles that get the most points will appear in the setup.
If position 5 & 6 are tied with points, I will choose the role which receive the MOST votes of the 2. If they are tied with the number of votes, I will choose the role that was placed in the highest position on a list. If this is also tied, It will go into random.org.

You MAY discuss your lists today.
You MAY send as many updates to your list as you want until Day One ends.

[Bunny]

busdriver
doctor
invevst
vet
bodyguard

my thoughts so far.

[Fatalis]

We should all go for #1 coroner

[RLVG]

Invest
Bodyguard
Doctor
Lookout
Veteran

[Bunny]

We should all go for #1 coroner

coroner is tres bore

[AppleyNO]

Why we need a coroner:

The graveyard will not say if the person who is dead is a Town or a Town, so we are going to need a role who can do that. Graveyards are a must.

[TheDarkestLight]

Alright people lets do this. If we are listing what we sent for preferences this is what I sent.

1: Investigator
2: Veteran
3: Escort
4: Bodyguard
5: Bus Driver

[TheDarkestLight]

I realize I might have made a mistake by listing Veteran at the top due to the fact that he might kill for Town than Town I was not thinking while doing this.

[Fatalis]

I realize I might have made a mistake by listing Veteran at the top due to the fact that he might kill for Town than Town I was not thinking while doing this.

What

[TheDarkestLight]

What

I do not know what you mean when you say one word.

[AppleyNO]

I realize I might have made a mistake by listing Veteran at the top due to the fact that he might kill for Town than Town I was not thinking while doing this.
What does this mean? I'm afraid I don't completely understand it.

Are you afraid that the Veteran might become a Town role if we pick it? If so, that is incorrect, as the Town gets to hand pick their roles on Night one. This voting is only for Town roles.

Town and Town... Really Crypt? xD

[RLVG]

What does this mean? I'm afraid I don't completely understand it.

Are you afraid that the Veteran might become a Town role if we pick it? If so, that is incorrect, as the Town gets to hand pick their roles on Night one. This voting is only for Town roles.

Town and Town... Really Crypt? xD



Yo dawg, I heard you like Town---



I think Red Town wants Green Town to have citizen, so I'm going to assume 3X #1's that equals 15 points.

[TheDarkestLight]

What does this mean? I'm afraid I don't completely understand it.

Are you afraid that the Veteran might become a Town role if we pick it? If so, that is incorrect, as the Town gets to hand pick their roles on Night one. This voting is only for Town roles.

Town and Town... Really Crypt? xD

What I mean is that if one of the Town gets Vet he might kill more of his team-mates than his enemies.

[RLVG]

What I mean is that if one of the Town gets Vet he might kill more of his team-mates than his enemies.

Since there can't be duplicates, I have an idea.

Shall we vote Veteran / Vigilante so the Red Town can't get it?

[TheDarkestLight]

Since there can't be duplicates, I have an idea.

Shall we vote Veteran / Vigilante so the Red Town can't get it?

Vigilante isn't on the vote list, and Vigilante is alreayd defined. I am unsure if when he says no duplicates he means no duplicates in either team, or no duplicates in that team.

Can there be more than one of a role if they are ont different teams?

[TheDarkestLight]

My grammar was a fail in that post. Please forgive me.

[Cryptonic]

Can there be more than one of a role if they are ont different teams?

Yes, both teams can have the same roles.
There just cannot be any duplicates of a role on the same team, with Citizen on the Town team being the only exception (but there can't be more than 2).

[TheDarkestLight]

So that means the Town can have a Veteran, this is splendid.

[Fatalis]

So that means the Town can have a Veteran, this is splendid.

Or bus driver D:

[Cryptonic]

btw, I will not be offended if you guys call Town the Mafia for simplicity. :P
I only said they're Town to go along with both teams having Town roles/

[Fatalis]

Night Chat+Mafia-Aligned town roles+roles can be chosen = sad green town

[RLVG]

Yes, both teams can have the same roles.
There just cannot be any duplicates of a role on the same team, with Citizen on the Town team being the only exception (but there can't be more than 2).


So that means the Town can have a Veteran, this is splendid.

Just made me realise what the Red Town may do :

1x Vigilante, 1X Veteran, 1X Escort - for maximun damage while reducing amount of counter.

:suspicious:



We better vote for an Escort to counter at least the Vigilante.

[AppleyNO]

Just made me realise what the Red Town may do :

1x Vigilante, 1X Veteran, 1X Escort - for maximun damage while reducing amount of counter.

:suspicious:



We better vote for an Escort to counter at least the Vigilante.
They wont have a vigilante, its not on the possible town role list. Its confirmed, but not on the possible town list.

[RLVG]

They wont have a vigilante, its not on the possible town role list. Its confirmed, but not on the possible town list.

Escort / Veteran / Bus Driver then.
"Town gets a Factional Kill, but 1 member must sacrifice their night action in order to execute it."

Escort to RB someone, Veteran to either Alert or use Kill, Bus Driver to swap others or kill if Vet alerts...


I don't see Red Town ever use these roles : Coroner, Doctor, Bodyguard, Detective, Lookout, Citizen.
Vigilante excluded, roles remaining : Bus Driver, Escort, Investigator, Veteran

[TheDarkestLight]

Escort / Veteran / Bus Driver then.
"Town gets a Factional Kill, but 1 member must sacrifice their night action in order to execute it."

Escort to RB someone, Veteran to either Alert or use Kill, Bus Driver to swap others or kill if Vet alerts...


I don't see Red Town ever use these roles : Coroner, Doctor, Bodyguard, Detective, Lookout, Citizen.
Vigilante excluded, roles remaining : Bus Driver, Escort, Investigator, Veteran

Then we must keep a watch for those roles. Yet I do see a use for BG. If one of the Mafia are hit, then they protect one, and kill the Vig, at the cost of themselves sure, yet they kill the best chance the Town has.

[Fatalis]

Escort / Veteran / Bus Driver then.
"Town gets a Factional Kill, but 1 member must sacrifice their night action in order to execute it."

Escort to RB someone, Veteran to either Alert or use Kill, Bus Driver to swap others or kill if Vet alerts...


I don't see Red Town ever use these roles : Coroner, Doctor, Bodyguard, Detective, Lookout, Citizen.
Vigilante excluded, roles remaining : Bus Driver, Escort, Investigator, Veteran

That would probably the best composition
And it would be great if you don't tell it to the red town? Or are you one?

[RLVG]

That would probably the best composition
And it would be great if you don't tell it to the red town? Or are you one?

I tell it loudly to everyone so that we know what roles to focus on, improving the FoS of each investigative role for each claim and the investigator may find alignments suspicious.

If they get scared by this, they may nerf themselves to avoid suspicion by becoming the other roles- benefiting the town more when we gather heaps of information / clues.



If this is a mistake, then my pardon.

[TheDarkestLight]

That would probably the best composition
And it would be great if you don't tell it to the red town? Or are you one?

If he was Town then I don't see why he would say it at day when he could just say it at night to his partners. So I am taking that as a Town-tell, of course I have been wrong before.

[TheDarkestLight]

Its so silent now...

[RLVG]

Its so silent now...

I guess most don't know this has started.

I've said what I had to say, so I'm kind of playing steam games until more things pop up. :p

[creedkingsx]

Hey let's all give red town ideas on who to pick for their roles :D since that seems to be everyones a+ plan for success. I will post my.list when I get home. In the mean time you guys over prioritize the coroner. All a coroner really does.is confirm what we should already know. Also anyone who submitted a list before town can coordinate is retarded when mafia has 3/10 of the.vote.

[TheDarkestLight]

Hey let's all give red town ideas on who to pick for their roles :D since that seems to be everyones a+ plan for success. I will post my.list when I get home. In the mean time you guys over prioritize the coroner. All a coroner really does.is confirm what we should already know. Also anyone who submitted a list before town can coordinate is retarded when mafia has 3/10 of the.vote.

Don't hate on retards. I take offense to that. My brother is mentally retarded -not in the insulting way-.

[creedkingsx]

Retard = mentally challenged = people with about 60-70 IQ. Anyone who already submitted a list without conferring with town is either retarded or scum

[RLVG]

Retard = mentally challenged = people with about 60-70 IQ. Anyone who already submitted a list without conferring with town is either retarded or scum

And who currently has this description in your opinion?

[TheDarkestLight]

Retard = mentally challenged = people with about 60-70 IQ. Anyone who already submitted a list without conferring with town is either retarded or scum

I took an IQ test once. I got a 143.

[creedkingsx]

And who currently has this description in your opinion?

If I were you I'd be acting very similar. Scum

[creedkingsx]

I took an IQ test once. I got a 143.

So your scum then? Thank you ^^
TheDarkestLight

[RLVG]

So your scum then? Thank you ^^
TheDarkestLight

:weird:



There will be no lynch today.

[TheDarkestLight]

There will be no lynch today.
Day One may be skipped with majority vote and after I receive a PM from all players with their lists.
Subsequent days may not be skipped.

Unfortunately Creed, you can't do that. And voting on the day where no claims are possible, seems highly scummy.

[TheDarkestLight]

I think he is mad he got the 60-70 IQ.

[creedkingsx]

:weird:

It's ok I'm escort I'll roleblock game host

[creedkingsx]

Seriously though why you not allow day 0 lynch? >>

[RLVG]

It's ok I'm escort I'll roleblock game host

I'm Bus Driver, I swapped your IP Address with another.



But seriously though, you're scummy lol.


Seriously though why you not allow day 0 lynch? >>

NO ONE HAS A ROLE YET!!!

It's like lynching someone for mass murder, when not a single person has been murdered (yet).

[TheDarkestLight]

Seriously though why you not allow day 0 lynch? >>

Fixed.

[creedkingsx]

you aster telling me if crypt came on and said person x is red town you guys wouldn't lynch simply because "no one had roles" that's retarded lol

[RLVG]

you aster telling me if crypt came on and said person x is red town you guys wouldn't lynch simply because "no one had roles" that's retarded lol

No one has a role, only alignment. Everyone are literally a Town, expect all claims to be Town.

You're kinda ignorant on that.

[TheDarkestLight]

you aster telling me if crypt came on and said person x is red town you guys wouldn't lynch simply because "no one had roles" that's retarded lol

I highly doubt Cryptonic would come on and reveal someone as Town. Now then, there might be a gamethrowing troll who could reveal his partner, yet I haven't seen any of those yet.

[creedkingsx]

No one has a role, only alignment. Everyone are literally a Town, expect all claims to be Town.

You're kinda ignorant on that.

Did you learn nothing from the first troll save game O.o

[RLVG]

Question to you Creed :

What if you lynch someone? What would it do?
Would it improve the game? Would it worsen the game?

If I checked the setup correctly :
Everyone are shown as a green town, even if it's red - making it unlikely to confirm any lynched or killed scum.



You want to lynch right of the bat, with those mechanics and the fact everyone are Town.
Scum.



Of course, we can't lynch Day 0 and at Day 1 we may deduce town and scum tells by roles and targets.

[creedkingsx]

I highly doubt Cryptonic would come on and reveal someone as Town. Now then, there might be a gamethrowing troll who could reveal his partner, yet I haven't seen any of those yet.

That example just went sky high over your head didn't it...

[TheDarkestLight]

That example just went sky high over your head didn't it...

Well I'm rather short, so yes it did.

[creedkingsx]

If we lunch scum they have less ability to affect our role list... Herp.

[creedkingsx]

welp I gotta close my store be back in two hours.

[RLVG]

welp I gotta close my store be back in two hours.

... When did you have a store? :|

[TheDarkestLight]

... When did you have a store? :|

He has had it since 1929, he caused the Great Depression.

[AppleyNO]

You MAY send as many updates to your list as you want until Day One ends.


Hey let's all give red town ideas on who to pick for their roles :D since that seems to be everyones a+ plan for success. I will post my.list when I get home. In the mean time you guys over prioritize the coroner. All a coroner really does.is confirm what we should already know. Also anyone who submitted a list before town can coordinate is retarded when mafia has 3/10 of the.vote.

In other news today creed is probably scum.
Lol, so we can't guess what they will pick and plan our list accordingly? If we guess the most probable roles (And I don't think scum is stupid to go "Hey Citizen is OP! -perfer citizen") then we can counter them. Besides it was already obvious that the scum would pick the roles that would most counter the role list we post and agree on.
So you can tell the difference between Town and Town, when they both flip the same color in the graveyard? And no, while we have suspects as to who is scum, we can never know for certain.

Now as for our role list, here is what I want, with time to think it over:

1. Coroner - This role is a must for a setup like this. Read the purple to find out why this is my number one.
2. Investigator - Investigator is a must in this set-up. We need to have a role to check out role claims
3. Lookout/Detective - I'm torn between Lookout and Detective. They both would be powerful in this setup, but which one?
4. Bodyguard - This allows for our Invest to come out with any results, and will take a scum out of the game if we use him.
5. Escort - We need to be able to block someone at night.

A possible downside to this rolelist might be if the scum take a investigator and try to be protected. We should watch out for that.

So, with that said, what do you want the role list to be, townsmembers? We need to discuss this today. Keep in mind that the mafia can all vote a role we do NOT want, messing us up.

[Fatalis]

In other news today creed is probably scum.
Lol, so we can't guess what they will pick and plan our list accordingly? If we guess the most probable roles (And I don't think scum is stupid to go "Hey Citizen is OP! -perfer citizen") then we can counter them. Besides it was already obvious that the scum would pick the roles that would most counter the role list we post and agree on.
So you can tell the difference between Town and Town, when they both flip the same color in the graveyard? And no, while we have suspects as to who is scum, we can never know for certain.

Now as for our role list, here is what I want, with time to think it over:

1. Coroner - This role is a must for a setup like this. Read the purple to find out why this is my number one.
2. Investigator - Investigator is a must in this set-up. We need to have a role to check out role claims
3. Lookout/Detective - I'm torn between Lookout and Detective. They both would be powerful in this setup, but which one?
4. Bodyguard - This allows for our Invest to come out with any results, and will take a scum out of the game if we use him.
5. Escort - We need to be able to block someone at night.

A possible downside to this rolelist might be if the scum take a investigator and try to be protected. We should watch out for that.

So, with that said, what do you want the role list to be, townsmembers? We need to discuss this today. Keep in mind that the mafia can all vote a role we do NOT want, messing us up.

What? The graveyard shows same color? I should really be looking at the set-up
Also i prefer
Coroner,Detective,Invest,Lookout,Bodyguard, don't think that escort is necessary

[creedkingsx]

@Appley, I am just saying, depending on a coroner assumes that our lynches will be questionable. i.e. we plan to be incompetent with our day actions, is all I say by it.

[AppleyNO]

Will there be death Descriptions?

[Espozito]

Alright, here I am, at last! Have no much time to read the whole 4 pages but will surely do it.
Aslo, here is my list:

1. Investigator - We need some inv role but I don't think he will be much helpful as Town will have same roles as Town, right?
2. Bodyguard
3. Doctor - healer forever, but BG can kill one Townie for us
4. Escort
5. Detective - last 2 are randoms as I don't want Veteran at all, I think.

[Cryptonic]

Will there be death Descriptions?

I will indicate which faction killed, but not which role.
So Factional Kill + Veteran + Bodyguard for Red Town = Killed by the Red Town
Vigilante + Veteran + Bodyguard for Green Town = Killed by the Green Town



Seriously though why you not allow day 0 lynch? >>

There is no Day One lynch because none of you have roles. When I give out role cards tonight, there would be one I didn't give out. I guess I would random that, but it would really screw up graveyard and nobody would even know the role/alignment. I see lynching today as creating an advantage (via confusion) for Red Town, even if Red Town is lynched. Therefore, I decided to wait until Day Two.

[TheDarkestLight]

See creed? I got your question answered. You just had to forget to make it green.

[TheDarkestLight]

So quiet...

[RLVG]

So quiet...

Well, one thing I can say - Creed is scummy.

[TheDarkestLight]

Still saying that?

[creedkingsx]

Well, one thing I can say - Creed is scummy.

"He isn't here, obvious scum."
You literally learned absolutely nothing from the first Troll Saves game.
:|

[creedkingsx]

I am submitting the list appley has suggested because of 2 reasons:
1. He is the only one here I respect in Forum Mafia.
2. His list is the only logical list I can see.

[Jim]

I am submitting the list appley has suggested because of 2 reasons:
1. He is the only one here I respect in Forum Mafia.
2. His list is the only logical list I can see.

You don't respect me? ;(

[Fatalis]

@RLVG I thought Creed was scum for the same reason as you >.> but then.. I remember troll saves

[creedkingsx]

@RLVG I thought Creed was scum for the same reason as you >.> but then.. I remember troll saves

Glad to see someone learned from that game. :P

[TheDarkestLight]

What happened in troll saves?

[Fatalis]

Creed was using irl excuses and being really trolly and quite obviously scum.. he turned out to be a citizen. I learned to not overestimate someone's chance of being scum just from a single observation >.> this game is more complicated than that

[RLVG]

What happened in troll saves?

6 spies, 1 godfather.
Godfather can nightchat to troll the spies.

[Fatalis]

6 spies, 1 godfather.
Godfather can nightchat to troll the spies.

And that is why it's called troll saves
On a serious note, I sent my own role list because I don't like escort

[Fatalis]

I'm going to be away as I'm going to upgrade this laptop into windows 8 hopefully I can return if my laptop doesn't explode

[SuperJack]

Well :) I do think this will be a good game! Looking forward to it :)

[TheDarkestLight]

You were lurking this whole time Jack??? O_o

[TheDarkestLight]

Fajer still hasn't talked.

[TheDarkestLight]

I saw Fajer on earlier today.

[creedkingsx]

bad fajer

[TheDarkestLight]

Lurking before we even have roles. Thats kinda, umm, sad.

[creedkingsx]

you guys are too black and white.
Don't have roles, no scum hunting.

We have alingments. Do you guys really think people are going to act differently just because of their role, versus their alignment?

[TheDarkestLight]

Possibly.

[TheDarkestLight]

This would be 10X better as a real talk chat room.

[TheDarkestLight]

Fajer is back

[Cryptonic]

Night One


Day One has ended!

Role cards and night chat info is being sent out immediately!

Night One ends in 24 hours, at 5:00 PM PST, January 6 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5%3A00+PM+PST+January+6).
All night actions must be in 1 hour before night ends.

[Cryptonic]

Day Two

MintBerry Crunch was found dead this morning. He was killed by the Red Town.
His role was Lookout.



Graveyard:
MintBerry Crunch (Lookout)

Remaining Players:
Fatalis
RLVG
Bunny
creedkingsx
AppleyNO
Fajer
TheDarkestLight
Espozito
SuperJack


Five {5} votes are needed to lynch.
The day cannot be skipped
Day Two will end at 5:30 PM PST, January 7 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5%3A30+PM+PST%2C+January+7.).

[creedkingsx]

AppleyNO
I'll explain when I get home in an hour

[Fatalis]

YO DAWGS

[RLVG]

AppleyNO
I'll explain when I get home in an hour

It will be interesting to see.

[creedkingsx]

I would think Appley or I would have been the first to die. Even with a considered risk, it still would have been worth it to go for one of us. Odds are they would have killed successfully. It's basic math. Yet they decided to kill Mint. Why? Because the person on the mafia saw more risk in killing me than otherwise. This leads me to believe he is Red Town. PLus with how this is similar play to his paulus play.

[RLVG]

I would think Appley or I would have been the first to die. Even with a considered risk, it still would have been worth it to go for one of us. Odds are they would have killed successfully. It's basic math. Yet they decided to kill Mint. Why? Because the person on the mafia saw more risk in killing me than otherwise. This leads me to believe he is Red Town. PLus with how this is similar play to his paulus play.

It's not basic math to me, since I did not see any of this untill you brought it up.

So I'm curious, what exactly is the risk that you're connecting with? If you could link to a post.

[RLVG]

Lol.

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[creedkingsx]

If you could link to a post.

what?

Risk with more experienced players is they are more likely to have a Doctor or Bodyguard on them. The reward being you have taken out one of the people who are better at scum hunting.

[RLVG]

what?

Risk with more experienced players is they are more likely to have a Doctor or Bodyguard on them. The reward being you have taken out one of the people who are better at scum hunting.

Ah, this makes sence.

I'm not the one to bring in meta, yet. :p



Still, we shouldn't vote for someone this early but I do support the vote overall so far.

[Fatalis]

I would think Appley or I would have been the first to die. Even with a considered risk, it still would have been worth it to go for one of us. Odds are they would have killed successfully. It's basic math. Yet they decided to kill Mint. Why? Because the person on the mafia saw more risk in killing me than otherwise. This leads me to believe he is Red Town. PLus with how this is similar play to his paulus play.

Yep, agreed
But I'm keeping my eye on Fajer and Jack

[Fatalis]

Also the mafia could be someone who is not paying too much attention on this game, so if appley is town Bunny/Espo/jack/Fajer is my main suspects

[AppleyNO]

I would think Appley or I would have been the first to die. Even with a considered risk, it still would have been worth it to go for one of us. Odds are they would have killed successfully. It's basic math. Yet they decided to kill Mint. Why? Because the person on the mafia saw more risk in killing me than otherwise. This leads me to believe he is Red Town. PLus with how this is similar play to his paulus play.
Dat post.

Nothing happened to me.

Maybe. There is also the possibility we are dealing with either an inexperienced mafia or very experienced players who would make us think that.
Again, maybe. We don't 100% know.
I'm trying to be pro town as town, and not just fake it as scum. It has already bit me before.


I dislike how you immediately jump to conclusions and assume that I am scum. By your logic, I could say since we are both alive, you are red town.

[creedkingsx]

Only people here that are, "very experienced," are me and you.

[AppleyNO]

Only people here that are, "very experienced," are me and you.
So how would they know who is experienced or not, then?

[creedkingsx]

So how would they know who is experienced or not, then?

well you are teal. I am green.

[AppleyNO]

So how would they know who is experienced or not, then?
To me, this meta says we are both town, as well as players who have played with us in the past.

However, host meta says otherwise. Crypt wouldn't put three newbies as mafia.

[AppleyNO]

well you are teal. I am green.
How would they know what that means, and would they care enough to check?


You are pushing hard, aren't you?

[RLVG]

I'm keeping my eye on Fajer and Jack
Maybe. There is also the possibility we are dealing with either an inexperienced mafia or very experienced players who would make us think that.
So how would they know who is experienced or not, then?

Hmm. Fatalis knows who is not experienced (asumption), while inexperienced mafia is a possibility.

[AppleyNO]

Hmm. Fatalis knows who is not experienced (asumption), while inexperienced mafia is a possibility.
Using creed's theory, that put yourself and Fatalis in the town category.

[creedkingsx]

Most people here know the rankings, Appley.
I think maybe 2 people don't in which case the third person on the mafia team would explain it. i.e. you. ^.^

And the "pushing hard" defense is irrelevant because you can't push me off as a neutral.

[AppleyNO]

Most people here know the rankings, Appley.
I think maybe 2 people don't in which case the third person on the mafia team would explain it. i.e. you. ^.^

And the "pushing hard" defense is irrelevant because you can't push me off as a neutral.
Using your theory then, why didn't I kill you?

[creedkingsx]

Using your theory then, why didn't I kill you?

More risk if you kill me.

[AppleyNO]

More risk if you kill me.
To take care of the biggest threat in the game? Well worth the risk.

But Mint is dead, not either of us. The way you are pushing me I expect you are mafia trying to get a mislynch, then will explain it away as a miscalculation.

I'm going to look at Mints post and see if he angered anyone.

[AppleyNO]

It would help if he would have made more than one post. Nvm.

[RLVG]

More risk if you kill me.

That just gives WIFOM protection by BG / Doc / kills in general towards you.

[Fatalis]

To me, this meta says we are both town, as well as players who have played with us in the past.

However, host meta says otherwise. Crypt wouldn't put three newbies as mafia.

And that is why one of you is probably scum

[AppleyNO]

And that is why one of you is probably scum
So what do you think, then?

[creedkingsx]

That just gives WIFOM protection by BG / Doc / kills in general towards you.

Which is why Appley didn't kill me.

[AppleyNO]

Which is why Appley didn't kill me.
Which is why creed didn't kill me.

Come on creed, your argument is false because it can just be flipped back onto you.

[RLVG]

I'm going to ask something :

What roles do we have? We currently see a Lookout has died, how prefered was the role compared to other roles?
Maybe we can deduce at least two other roles that exists.

[AppleyNO]

I'm going to ask something :

What roles do we have? We currently see a Lookout has died, how prefered was the role compared to other roles?
Maybe we can deduce at least two other roles that exists.
Lookout was number 4 on my list.

[AppleyNO]

Lookout was number 4 on my list.
I'm sorry, it was Number 3 on my list.

I don't think is was a surprise that it ended up here.

[creedkingsx]

Which is why creed didn't kill me.

Come on creed, your argument is false because it can just be flipped back onto you.

I am more than aware of that.
Fact is a move like this as scum is better used later on because if I were scum and you town, it would flip while town still had majority.
In the mean time, as town, this is entirely beneficial.

[AppleyNO]

I am more than aware of that.
Fact is a move like this as scum is better used later on because if I were scum and you town, it would flip while town still had majority.
In the mean time, as town, this is entirely beneficial.
So your justifying your actions by saying scum wouldn't do it yet? And you are using that as evidence to use an argument that can be flipped back onto you.

Ok then. As a townsmember, I would find it odd that Mint is dead instead of a more experienced player. But since I am alive and creed is alive, the two most experienced players, I can only assume that we both had some kind of WIFOM protection.

You forgot to factor in that we would both have this WIFOM protection, which would make the chance of actual protection lower.

[Fatalis]

So your justifying your actions by saying scum wouldn't do it yet? And you are using that as evidence to use an argument that can be flipped back onto you.

Ok then. As a townsmember, I would find it odd that Mint is dead instead of a more experienced player. But since I am alive and creed is alive, the two most experienced players, I can only assume that we both had some kind of WIFOM protection.

You forgot to factor in that we would both have this WIFOM protection, which would make the chance of actual protection lower.

I don't see why mint, out of all players would be the one to die, I highly doubt that this is some kind of WIFOM since after all, there's no role cards given the previous days so yesterday there can't be some kind of PR-WIFOM

AppleyNO
I'm going to go with what Creed had said

[Fatalis]

So your justifying your actions by saying scum wouldn't do it yet? And you are using that as evidence to use an argument that can be flipped back onto you.

Ok then. As a townsmember, I would find it odd that Mint is dead instead of a more experienced player. But since I am alive and creed is alive, the two most experienced players, I can only assume that we both had some kind of WIFOM protection.

You forgot to factor in that we would both have this WIFOM protection, which would make the chance of actual protection lower.

I don't see why mint, out of all players would be the one to die, I highly doubt that this is some kind of WIFOM since after all, there's no role cards given the previous days so yesterday there can't be some kind of PR-WIFOM

AppleyNO
I'm going to go with what Creed had said

[Fatalis]

Oh god why do Windows 8 make me do this

[Espozito]

Alright, what's going on? Why is everyone pissed up about AppleyNO?

[Bunny]

ok so nothing happened to me last night. While I think Creed's argument is a tad weak, I do believe him to be town. Has anyone been healed or bus driven?? I am pretty sure crypt just randomed alll the roles, so instead of focusing on this silly popularity contest on why creed/appely are still alive, lets figure out what roles we have and help the vigilante figure out who to kill tonight!

[Cryptonic]

Current Vote Tally:

AppleyNO {2} - creedkingsx, Fatalis

Five {5} votes are needed to lynch.
Day ends in approximately 11.5 hours.

[Espozito]

Nothing happened to me last night either.
Anyway, tomorrow I'll be away, very sorry for that. But after taht there won't be long-afk times.

I think that, depending on our votes, there is absolutely Doc around us and an Inv.
Also I think noone chose Citizen as preferred role, so that means there's only 1 Citizen amongst us.

[RLVG]

Also I think noone chose Citizen as preferred role, so that means there's only 1 Citizen amongst us.

I'm sure that the mafia picked 3X #1 citizen on their preferred roles.

Depending on how points are spread, it's still a #15 points with the system.

[Espozito]

I'm sure that the mafia picked 3X #1 citizen on their preferred roles.

Depending on how points are spread, it's still a #15 points with the system.

Yeah, that would be a nice strategy for them. What's then: Cit/Noncit claims lol?

[Espozito]

What if creed is a red town who makes his theories to look like an active Town Leader?
This is an excellent defense while hammering him won't show us whether he was red town or not. He has nothing to lose revealing his power role (as I suspect, he is PR)

[AppleyNO]

ok so nothing happened to me last night. While I think Creed's argument is a tad weak, I do believe him to be town. Has anyone been healed or bus driven?? I am pretty sure crypt just randomed alll the roles, so instead of focusing on this silly popularity contest on why creed/appely are still alive, lets figure out what roles we have and help the vigilante figure out who to kill tonight!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zUCAfhAGYE&list=SP174E3FF95321AF89&index= 4

[AppleyNO]

I seriously hope you guys picked coroner.

[Bunny]

Hey appely I can't see what your video is cuz it's blocked at my work. What is it!

[AppleyNO]

Hey appely I can't see what your video is cuz it's blocked at my work. What is it!
A bunch of people saying 'Thank you'.

[creedkingsx]

Alright, what's going on? Why is everyone pissed up about AppleyNO?

Read. ^.^


ok so nothing happened to me last night. While I think Creed's argument is a tad weak, I do believe him to be town. Has anyone been healed or bus driven?? I am pretty sure crypt just randomed alll the roles, so instead of focusing on this silly popularity contest on why creed/appely are still alive, lets figure out what roles we have and help the vigilante figure out who to kill tonight!

We voted on the roles. I don't think Crypt randomed anything. :P


I'm sure that the mafia picked 3X #1 citizen on their preferred roles.

Depending on how points are spread, it's still a #15 points with the system.

Which is why, if we had voted as a town like intelligent people, our 7 votes would have ensured the list be as WE want it. Not they. But nope, everyone was just like, "hurrdurr imma vote and hope everyone else votes the same thing. ^.^"


What if creed is a red town who makes his theories to look like an active Town Leader?
This is an excellent defense while hammering him won't show us whether he was red town or not. He has nothing to lose revealing his power role (as I suspect, he is PR)

I discussed this already. Town still has majority tomorrow. I would be risking lynch if I were Red Town knowing Appley was Green and it would all be for naught.

[RLVG]

Which is why, if we had voted as a town like intelligent people, our 7 votes would have ensured the list be as WE want it. Not they. But nope, everyone was just like, "hurrdurr imma vote and hope everyone else votes the same thing. ^.^"

Which would cause Role #5, #4 to become 7 points by all the votes. A viable strategy is having 3 (1-2-3-4-5), another 3 (5-4-3-2-1) and finaly the last one to fill out the rest (3-4-2-1-5) bypassing Mafia's #15 points in anything.

I don't think we're able to cordinate that.

[Bunny]

Read. ^.^



We voted on the roles. I don't think Crypt randomed anything. :P



Which is why, if we had voted as a town like intelligent people, our 7 votes would have ensured the list be as WE want it. Not they. But nope, everyone was just like, "hurrdurr imma vote and hope everyone else votes the same thing. ^.^"



I discussed this already. Town still has majority tomorrow. I would be risking lynch if I were Red Town knowing Appley was Green and it would all be for naught.


Lol he ransomed them.

[creedkingsx]

Lol he ransomed them.

Then why would he waste out time with all this voting? :o

[Bunny]

Then why would he waste out time with all this voting? :o

oh no we chose those, i thought yu ment who he chose to be what, like he didnt chose people for specific roles.

Im Guessing:

Lookout
doctor
investigator
bodyguard
vet

[SuperJack]

I'm not voting for anyone today. I don't think they shot someone due to experience level. If you say you two are the most experience, how do i know you both aren't red, and are posting this miniature war between you so even if one of you die and turn out to be red, it makes the other look like town.

And as for my small amount of posts and talking, I'm new to this forum version of the game, and find it hard to jump into conversations.

[SuperJack]

And nothing happened to me last night, I forgot to say that.

[creedkingsx]

I'm not voting for anyone today. I don't think they shot someone due to experience level. If you say you two are the most experience, how do i know you both aren't red, and are posting this miniature war between you so even if one of you die and turn out to be red, it makes the other look like town..

Host wouldn't make OP red team.

That would be stupid to do this early.

[RLVG]

Host wouldn't make OP red team.

But they get to pick the roles they want, in addition any role can kill in sacrifice for their own night action.

[creedkingsx]

But they get to pick the roles they want, in addition any role can kill in sacrifice for their own night action.

So you think host would add onto that by making the 2 most experienced players on the same team?

[SuperJack]

Then perhaps trying to figure out the roles Red would pick would be a help?

And I have not heard of any role blocks or bus drives yet?

[creedkingsx]

Then perhaps trying to figure out the roles Red would pick would be a help?

And I have not heard of any role blocks or bus drives yet?

If I were them, I woulda gone Doctor, BG, Vet. All roles are invulnerable.

[RLVG]

Then perhaps trying to figure out the roles Red would pick would be a help?

And I have not heard of any role blocks or bus drives yet?

There's a chance scum would keep quiet on that.


If I were them, I woulda gone Doctor, BG, Vet. All roles are invulnerable.

It's not invulnerable, and it would be less benefital for them to have a doctor when they could have an investigator since the investigator would find the BG / Escort quickly to kill.

I agree on Veteran and Bus Driver, however.

[creedkingsx]

Nobody has claimed bus, so I doubt they got a Bus Driver.

[creedkingsx]

And how is it not invulnerable?
Sure BG would die protecting Doc, but they would get 2 kills in one night.

[Fajer]

im not voting today either. . . to little information
i think its better to stay low as green town not letting red town know what roles we have!!

sorry for not being active, i just dont know what to say.

[SuperJack]

Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Citizen, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Investigator, Lookout, Veteran.

They won't have much use for these, unless they wanted to hide as town: Detective, Coroner, Lookout, Citizen.

That leaves: Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Doctor, Escort, Investigator, Veteran

Remove Escort and Bus Driver since we have yet to hear any actions from them you have.

So these are the most likely choices:
Investigator, Veteran, Bodyguard and Doctor.

That's if the scum isn't hiding and staying quiet for now.

[Fajer]

what if they use useless roles to make it easier to make green town think they are green

[SuperJack]

I covered that :)

what if they use useless roles to make it easier to make green town think they are green



Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Citizen, Coroner, Detective, Doctor, Escort, Investigator, Lookout, Veteran.

They won't have much use for these, unless they wanted to hide as town: Detective, Coroner, Lookout, Citizen.

That leaves: Bodyguard, Bus Driver, Doctor, Escort, Investigator, Veteran

Remove Escort and Bus Driver since we have yet to hear any actions from them you have.

So these are the most likely choices:
Investigator, Veteran, Bodyguard and Doctor.

That's if the scum isn't hiding and staying quiet for now.

[SuperJack]

I wouldn't take the possibility out though based on it just being "Stupid".

Host wouldn't make OP red team.

That would be stupid to do this early.

[creedkingsx]

I wouldn't take the possibility out though based on it just being "Stupid".

If Appley and I were on a team, we wouldn't engage a war off that bat. One, the benefit would be minimal.
Two, it would attract too much attention to us and force a Vigilante to shoot one of us.

[RLVG]

If Appley and I were on a team, we wouldn't engage a war off that bat. One, the benefit would be minimal.
Two, it would attract too much attention to us and force a Vigilante to shoot one of us.


If Appley and I were on a team, we wouldn't engage a war off that bat. One, the benefit would be minimal.
Two, it would attract too much attention to us and force a Vigilante to shoot one of us.

Haven't you two already caugth enough attention?
If the Vigi thinks of either of you as scum, would he take the chance to shoot one of you?



You've kind of said it yourself, that it would be one of the two of you.

[creedkingsx]

Haven't you two already caugth enough attention?
If the Vigi thinks of either of you as scum, would he take the chance to shoot one of you?



You've kind of said it yourself, that it would be one of the two of you.

That was my point... That's why it would be stupid, thus the possibility is ruled out.

[RLVG]

That was my point... That's why it would be stupid, thus the possibility is ruled out.

Wifom-protection would be gambled? Ah, I have no idea.

[TheDarkestLight]

Ok I am back school was a pain. Thank god the Vig wasn't stupid and didn't shoot. We have a ML and it might be a bad idea to use it, yet if we use it the Vig CAN'T shoot, even if he thinks he knows a scum because that makes it 3v3 and we insta lose right there. Also if they have a Veteran and one or more of us visit him or her thats an extra kill, dropping it to 3v3 again.

[Fajer]

i know why you vote appely but i dont understand why an "experienced" player would vote the first day. As the reason would be either to awake suspisions of appely or creed (potential veterans) as red town to get extra kills or to take away suspisions so that invest or other roles wont target any red town to hide information.
as i doubt an "experienced" player would make such assumption the first day of lynching.

[TheDarkestLight]

What Fajer means is, he doubts you are as good as you say you are, the " were for sarcasm.

[creedkingsx]

i know why you vote appely but i dont understand why an "experienced" player would vote the first day. As the reason would be either to awake suspisions of appely or creed (potential veterans) as red town to get extra kills or to take away suspisions so that invest or other roles wont target any red town to hide information.
as i doubt an "experienced" player would make such assumption the first day of lynching.

First off, can everyone please learn grammar. It is extremely difficult to read some of these longer posts.

Second a lot of good has come out of Day 1 lynches.

Trolls Saves Part 1, first run, we won the entire game with a single day 1 lynch.

[Fajer]

what i mean is, as this is a mind game creed which is experienced must have a purpuse benith what he wrote( i believe) and maybe change our actions to his benefit.


it looks like sarcasm but its not. i just think his action is wierd and as he is a good player, there must be a reason

[Cryptonic]

what i mean is, as this is a mind game creed which is experienced must have a purpuse benith what he wrote( i believe) and maybe change our actions to his benefit.


it looks like sarcasm but its not. i just think his action is wierd and as he is a good player, there must be a reason


PLEASE DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS AGAIN, THANK YOU.

[Bunny]

Ok I am back school was a pain. Thank god the Vig wasn't stupid and didn't shoot. We have a ML and it might be a bad idea to use it, yet if we use it the Vig CAN'T shoot, even if he thinks he knows a scum because that makes it 3v3 and we insta lose right there. Also if they have a Veteran and one or more of us visit him or her thats an extra kill, dropping it to 3v3 again.

what do you mean ML and and how do you use it......?

[Fatalis]

Nobody has claimed bus, so I doubt they got a Bus Driver.

:|

[Fatalis]

First off, can everyone please learn grammar. It is extremely difficult to read some of these longer posts.

Second a lot of good has come out of Day 1 lynches.

Trolls Saves Part 1, first run, we won the entire game with a single day 1 lynch.

Stop reminding me >.>
Also I'm fairly confident in lynching Appley
Also Fajer is being very scummy, but I haven't played with him at all so doesn't really know anything about him

[Fatalis]

oh no we chose those, i thought yu ment who he chose to be what, like he didnt chose people for specific roles.

Im Guessing:

Lookout
doctor
investigator
bodyguard
vet

Have you been reading the chat >.>
It's probably
Bus Driver
Bodyguard
Lookout/Detective
Coroner
Invest

[TheDarkestLight]

what do you mean ML and and how do you use it......?

ML = Mislynch.

Honestly you have played more FMs than me and you don't know what this means?

[Bunny]

Stop reminding me >.>
Also I'm fairly confident in lynching Appley
Also Fajer is being very scummy, but I haven't played with him at all so doesn't really know anything about him


ML = Mislynch.

Honestly you have played more FMs than me and you don't know what this means?

No one ever says ML. Even crypt was like uhh what is that.

And fatalis please proceed to stfu. We had 2 different roles.. Wtf are you getting at?

[creedkingsx]

See, here when someone says ML, it is Mason Leader.

[Bunny]

Also ML equals mason leader to me.

[Bunny]

Lol didn't see yur post creed :P

[Fatalis]

No one ever says ML. Even crypt was like uhh what is that.

And fatalis please proceed to stfu. We had 2 different roles.. Wtf are you getting at?

Wut :|

[Bunny]

Wut :|

Do tell why your list is SOOOOOOO correct.

[Fatalis]

Do tell why your list is SOOOOOOO correct.

My own information+graveyard doesn't show alignment+yesterday quite a lot of people agree with appley's list

[Bunny]

My own information+graveyard doesn't show alignment+yesterday quite a lot of people agree with appley's list

That's such an amazing explanation. Can we get a round of applause for this guy!!!

[Fatalis]

That's such an amazing explanation. Can we get a round of applause for this guy!!!

Wut

[Bunny]

Wut

Another good one!

[Fatalis]

Another good one!

I seriously don't get what you are talking about :|

[Bunny]

I seriously don't get what you are talking about :|

Have you been reading the chat >.>

[Fatalis]

Have you been reading the chat >.>

... I'm gonna stop talking now

[Bunny]

... I'm gonna stop talking now

Scum alert!

[creedkingsx]

I lol'd

[TheDarkestLight]

See, here when someone says ML, it is Mason Leader.

Well I play EpicMafia quite a bit, and there were no Mason Leaders in that, only regular Masons, and ML = Mislynch. So realize everyone has different terms.

[Bunny]

Fatalis, nobody claimed to be bussed. Why would you put Bus Driver on your list? Is that you claiming BD?

The only change I would make to my list would be to replace one of the 2 protective roles with a Coroner, since I could see scum and lots of town putting it high on their list.
Also, my list I sent in was:
1. Bus Driver (Because I wanted to be Bus Driver!)
2. Investigator (Thought it was the best investigative role and is necessary)
3. Doctor (necessary role)
4. Bodyguard (can't have too much protective)
5. Coroner (because it's needed, but if others were putting it high on their lists, I didn't need to)


Thinking about it again, I would change what I think the role list is to:

Veteran (for extra kill)
Investigator (to find important roles faster)
Citizen/Bodyguard/Doctor (to blend in)


Vigilante
Lookout (MintBerry Crunch killed by Red Town.)
Bodyguard/Doctor
Coroner
Investigator
Veteran/Citizen
Citizen

[Cryptonic]

Day Two ends in 30 minutes!


Current Vote Tally:

AppleyNO {2} creedkingsx, Fatalis

Five {5} votes are needed to lynch!

[creedkingsx]

Well I play EpicMafia quite a bit, and there were no Mason Leaders in that, only regular Masons, and ML = Mislynch. So realize everyone has different terms.

I feel like that entire statement's point should apply to you, not US.

[Bunny]

Well I play EpicMafia quite a bit, and there were no Mason Leaders in that, only regular Masons, and ML = Mislynch. So realize everyone has different terms.

WELL yu ain't playin epic mafia so get with it.

[Bunny]

Also, what lists did everyone else send in?

[creedkingsx]

Also, what lists did everyone else send in?

idr. lol

[Bunny]

idr. lol


lsihtawisi!

[creedkingsx]

There was a Coroner and and Investigator.
And a Lookout
I think a BG.

[Bunny]

There was a Coroner and and Investigator.
And a Lookout
I think a BG.

didnt you say you were sending in the same role as appley?

[creedkingsx]

didnt you say you were sending in the same role as appley?

Yeah I probably did that. lol

[Bunny]

Yeah I probably did that. lol

what was his list lol

[TheDarkestLight]

WELL yu ain't playin epic mafia so get with it.

That doesn't mean I still won't use the terms. Like ML, Mlyo, Lylo, Omgus, WIFOM and things like that.

Most likely most of these terms are used here as well, but you never know.

[creedkingsx]

That doesn't mean I still won't use the terms. Like ML, Mlyo, Lylo, Omgus, WIFOM and things like that.

Most likely most of these terms are used here as well, but you never know.

Only one is WIFOM.

[Cryptonic]

Night Two


Day Two has ended.
Nobody was lynched!

End Day Tally:
AppleyNO {2} - creedkingsx, Fatalis




Remaining Players
Fatalis
RLVG
Bunny
creedkingsx
AppleyNO
Fajer
TheDarkestLight
Espozito
SuperJack


Graveyard:
MintBerry Crunch (Lookout)



Night Two ends in 24 hours, at 5:30 PM PST, January 8 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5%3A30+PM+PST%2C+January+8).
Please have all night actions in 1 hour before night ends.
Night chat is now open.

[TheDarkestLight]

Only one is WIFOM.

Lylo: Lynch or lose, a position where the Town must lynch a scum or they lose. Like a 4v3
Mylo: Mislynch and lose, if the town lynches a townie they lose, they do not lose if they dont lynch. Like a 5v3.
OMGUS: Oh my god you suck, used when you vote someone just because they voted you.
WIFOM: Wine in front of me, used by roles to gain an advantage or confuse others. Like a Sheriff says Doc on me. Normally the Mafia will think the doc will be on him and won't attack him, so the Doctor can use this to his advantage and heal someone else. Or the Mafia might suspect that and attack the Sheriff, and the Doctor might think that if they think im not actually gonna heal him they will attack him, so I should heal him, and it goes in an infinate cycle.

[Cryptonic]

Day Three

creedkingsx was found dead this morning. He was killed by the Green Town.
His role was Vigilante.
Fatalis was found dead this morning. He was killed by the Green Town, and then attacked again by the Red Town.
His role was Bus Driver



Graveyard:
MintBerry Crunch (Lookout)
creedkingsx (Vigilante)
Fatalis (Bus Driver)

Remaining Players:
RLVG
Bunny
AppleyNO
Fajer
TheDarkestLight
Espozito
SuperJack


Four {4} votes are needed to lynch.
The day cannot be skipped
Day Three will end at 5:30 PM PST, January 9 (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=5%3A30+PM+PST%2C+January+9.).

[Bunny]

I was bussed last night.

[Bunny]

Who else was bussed

[TheDarkestLight]

If the Vig was killed by the Town, that means the bus bussed you and creed, and creed tried to shoot you, or there is a Veteran.

[TheDarkestLight]

Most likely the Veteran since Fatalis also died from the Town

[Bunny]

If the Vig was killed by the Town, that means the bus bussed you and creed, and creed tried to shoot you, or there is a Veteran.

whats your role?

[TheDarkestLight]

I am betting Creed targeted AppleyNo. Which would mean AppleyNo is the Veteran. Am I right?

[TheDarkestLight]

I am the Town Bus Driver. I bussed you and Fatalis last night. Which means that Fatalis was the Town Bus Driver, and I caused the Maf to hit him instead of you.

[TheDarkestLight]

So now we mass claim?

[TheDarkestLight]

4 Guests, lets see if we can make it more!

[Bunny]

hmm.. i don't know if i believe that. fatalis could have ben the busdriver. just cuz you bussed me with fatalis doesnt make him red town
creed was killed by green town. meaning he either targeted the veteran or was he bussed with his target and shot himself. i think creed shot because it's pretty late in the game
fatalis was also killed by either vigilante or veteran as well, and i highly doubt creed would shoot me over appley from yesterdays chat. i think fatalis was killed by a veteran
if i put this all together correctly then fatalis bussed the veteran and died. creed probably would have shot appley... so fatalis bussed appley & veteran?
appley were you bussed last night? what is your role?
if appley is the veteran, then i think fatalis bussed creed and appley and creed shot himself. if not, then appley was buused with veteran. i dont know why a busdriver would swap appley and creed tho?

TheDarkestLight

[Bunny]

hmm no creed shot 100% because he couldn't have visited a veteran without shooting.
so i wonder if he shot himself or shot at the veteran

[TheDarkestLight]

hmm.. i don't know if i believe that. fatalis could have ben the busdriver. just cuz you bussed me with fatalis doesnt make him red town
creed was killed by green town. meaning he either targeted the veteran or was he bussed with his target and shot himself. i think creed shot because it's pretty late in the game
fatalis was also killed by either vigilante or veteran as well, and i highly doubt creed would shoot me over appley from yesterdays chat. i think fatalis was killed by a veteran
if i put this all together correctly then fatalis bussed the veteran and died. creed probably would have shot appley... so fatalis bussed appley & veteran?
appley were you bussed last night? what is your role?
if appley is the veteran, then i think fatalis bussed creed and appley and creed shot himself. if not, then appley was buused with veteran. i dont know why a busdriver would swap appley and creed tho?

TheDarkestLight

What makes him red town was that he was killed by the Red Town after I bussed him with you and the fact that I am the Green Town Bus Driver -No way I can prove that without dying and a Coroner checking me-. Which means he got hit by his partners. Also that means he bussed Appley -If he is Vet- and since Appley was killed by both a Green Town and Red Town I am suspecting he visited the Veteran, because other wise there is no way Creed could have died from the Green Town unless he targeted the Veteran since he was the Vigilante, and he couldn't have shot himself because Fatalis died from the Veteran.

[TheDarkestLight]

hmm no creed shot 100% because he couldn't have visited a veteran without shooting.
so i wonder if he shot himself or shot at the veteran

I am 90% sure a Veteran cannot die while on Alert. So that means he did shoot, yet it failed.

[Bunny]

but i have to take your word that you bussed me an fatalis. he cant prove or disprove what youre saying. its almost too easy for you.
how do i know you didnt bus me one of your mafia members and are just lying now?

you are the safest lynch. if fatalis was red town and we lynch you it will be 3v2 tomorrow and we still have a chance. if fatalis was green town and we lynch you it will be again 3v2 tomorrow and we still have a chance. unless someone else has information on somebody else we should lynch thedarkestlight!

[Bunny]

I am 90% sure a Veteran cannot die while on Alert. So that means he did shoot, yet it failed.

yes but if fatalis bussed veteran with creed, and creed shot the veteran... fatalis would die from veteran and creed would shoot himself.

[TheDarkestLight]

but i have to take your word that you bussed me an fatalis. he cant prove or disprove what youre saying. its almost too easy for you.
how do i know you didnt bus me one of your mafia members and are just lying now?

you are the safest lynch. if fatalis was red town and we lynch you it will be 3v2 tomorrow and we still have a chance. if fatalis was green town and we lynch you it will be again 3v2 tomorrow and we still have a chance. unless someone else has information on somebody else we should lynch thedarkestlight!

A safe lynch for today maybe, yet if they have a Veteran which we are sure they do, and one of us visit him/her, we lose. So a mislynch today may kill us.

[Bunny]

A safe lynch for today maybe, yet if they have a Veteran which we are sure they do, and one of us visit him/her, we lose. So a mislynch today may kill us.

yes i do like your point that red town has a veteran. so that makes me wonder why a bus driver would bus an alerting veteran...

rolelist:

busdriver - thedarkestlight
veteran - appley maybe?
????

vigilante
lookout
bus driver - fatalis
????
????
????
citizen

[TheDarkestLight]

yes i do like your point that red town has a veteran. so that makes me wonder why a bus driver would bus an alerting veteran...

rolelist:

busdriver - thedarkestlight
veteran - appley maybe?
????

vigilante
lookout
bus driver - fatalis
????
????
????
citizen

Because maybe the Veteran is ours? There is the possibility for two. Explain how Appley being Red Town allows for Fatalis to die from both Red Town and Green Town. If he was a Red Veteran, then Fatalis would have died from the Red Mafia X2.

[Bunny]

hmm i guess it doesnt make sense for appely to be veteran.
also 2 town kills so...

bus driver - most likely thedarkestlight
veteran? -????
???? - ????

vigilante - creed
lookout - mint
veteran - appley?
bus driver - most likely fatalis
???? - me
???? - ????
Citizen - ????


we need to hear roles and what happened to everyone.
espozito has been very quiet, he could be a good target for a lynch.

[TheDarkestLight]

The term "most likely" is a very powerful one.

[Bunny]

The term "most likely" is a very powerful one.

who would yu lynch today?

[TheDarkestLight]

Fajer, SuperJack, and Espozito are the scum possibilities for me.

Fajer: Seemed to be pushing the creed/Appley lynch and lurking.
SuperJack: Lurking.
Espozito: Lurking.

[RLVG]

I just woke up.

You claim Bus Driver?



It is suspicious, but a well worth theory if there's two bus drivers in the game.

There's just one thing I can't seem to work with.

"creedkingsx was found dead this morning. He was killed by the Green Town.
His role was Vigilante."

He had claimed Citizen.

[TheDarkestLight]

He didn't want the Red Town to attack him, thinking they would think we would vest and they didn't want to waste a kill on a lowly Citizen anyway. A smart plan, yet he pushed on Appley to hard to the point he tried to Vig kill him.

[TheDarkestLight]

Alright I need to go to sleep. I will be on tommorow at around 4:30 Central.

[Cryptonic]

Current Vote Tally:

TheDarkestLight {1} - Bunny

Four {4} votes are needed to lynch.
Day Three ends in approximately 21.5 hours.

[AppleyNO]

Yep. You guys fucked up my list. I got Veteran.

I went on alert, and was bussed. Guess I killed some people :P

[AppleyNO]

Also, mint should have been coronered, since that was the only option.

Do we NOT have a coroner?

[Fajer]

Lol nothing happened. To me ill tell you more when I get home from school.

[Fajer]

Damn auto correct (iPhone)-.-

[Espozito]

Hi, guys. At last I'm back! This night absolutely nothing happened to me. Feel so boring.
Well, Fatalis the Bus Driver has been killed by both Green and Red Town.
If he was Red town, then he could have been bussed with another one and killed by Red as a mistake, plus shot by green town.
But I think there are higher chances of him being red town. I think I'll wait a little before making a vote.

[Bunny]

espozito supporting thedarkestlight = both are scum?
espozito, what is your role and what did you do n1 and n2 for night actions?

[Bunny]

there are 7 people left in this game so its either 5v2 or 4v3
if its 5v2 and we lynch thedarkestlight, it will be 3v2 in the morning
if its 4v3 and we lynch thedarkestlight, it will be 3v2 in the morning

if its 4v3 and we don't lynch red town today, we lose. so town members need to start voting.

[Espozito]

espozito supporting thedarkestlight = both are scum?
espozito, what is your role and what did you do n1 and n2 for night actions?

How saying "He's rather red town" can be supporting???
I'm just making up my thoughts as I was afk for half a month (those days when I was back I had quite a little time). Right now I've made a guess only watching the day beginning post. Now I'll look through the whole day to be back in action.

As for the role, I can't reveal right now as I've got my theory of who is scum but I need some proof to be sure.

[Bunny]

How saying "He's rather red town" can be supporting???
I'm just making up my thoughts as I was afk for half a month (those days when I was back I had quite a little time). Right now I've made a guess only watching the day beginning post. Now I'll look through the whole day to be back in action.

As for the role, I can't reveal right now as I've got my theory of who is scum but I need some proof to be sure.

because by saying fatalis is red town, youre saying thedarkestlight is green town. why would green town busdriver swap random people?
since appley IS the veteran, fatalis bussed appley and creed. this seems like a very towny thing to do! they were arguin and there was a good chance one would die. this is why i think thedarkestlight is red town.. and youre saying hes green town.

but you need to say your role. we could be in a position where if we dont lynch we will lose. holding this information back is hurting town.

bus driver - the darkest light
??? -espozito
??? - ???

vigilante - creed
lookout- mint\
veteran - appley
bus dirver - fatalis
??? - bunny
??? - ???
citizen - ???

[Espozito]

because by saying fatalis is red town, youre saying thedarkestlight is green town. why would green town busdriver swap random people?
since appley IS the veteran, fatalis bussed appley and creed. this seems like a very towny thing to do! they were arguin and there was a good chance one would die. this is why i think thedarkestlight is red town.. and youre saying hes green town.

but you need to say your role. we could be in a position where if we dont lynch we will lose. holding this information back is hurting town.

bus driver - the darkest light
??? -espozito
??? - ???

vigilante - creed
lookout- mint\
veteran - appley
bus dirver - fatalis
??? - bunny
??? - ???
citizen - ???

Sorry, then it was misunderstanding as I was speaking about Dark guy. I was stating that he can rather be red.