Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
You're reading far more passion into my posts than I actually have. I don't give many shits about whether or not we follow LaL, but if you're going to start following a meta that this site simply doesn't have, I want to know why. "Oh, just lynch all liars, guys!" is a great way for a scum to sheep a convenient train, and I don't want you getting away with that if you're scum.
While we're just throwing out threats instead of actually having a discussion, eat rope yourself. =)
Titus. I don't see myself voting Duck right now, and Eggy seems pro-town but has not been around now. I am taking note though that he wants to "pardon me" this game. He always wants to lynch me, and the fact that he has said I probably won't lynch him but I might seems suspicious to me. It's like a half plan to gain my trust and a half plan to take me down if it comes to that.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
Busy till at least midnight with homework skype mafia and 2 fms, so this wont be the most wowing post ever, but I have a very strong town read on unknown, and I will explain it, but later.
I would also like titus to post her scum reasoning on unknown before I town shield him.
I do agree with her read on prince, not sure how she had superjack as town currently though.
The act of making a reads list is NAI. I might have differences in those read lists that lean town or mafia that I am unaware of. If I ever make a reads list, you cant say "he is town for making a reads list". You have to say "he is town because his reads make sense, and are what I thought" or "he is mafia, i dont agree with the logic and it does not make sense how he got to that conclusion."
FYI as every alignment I would ping someone out for townreading me off something that wasnt AI.
Duckk, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I did explain that I was giving you minor towncred for a readlist with at least half-decent reasoning, which currently seems to be more than most people (ahem, @Titus ) can care to give atm.
Okay, makes sense.
-I side with Titus concerning Lynch All Liars, in a text based game words and arguments is all we have. MattZed made a good point but that scenario is not common. Is it? It seems to me that for a neutral or town citizen to lie concerning alignment, the only way we can know their lying is after their role has been shown or a cop outs themselves and says their lying. The former does not matter and the latter is highly unlikely since a cop is not doing that.
His interactions with me are transparently town. He sees my scumhunting.
Unknown FoSes everyone and their brother, while waiting for something to stick, zero follow through. He's not looking to sort players but is looking for reasons to attack instead. Oh and he still hasn't given a valid reason for anything. Plus, he and Matt seem desperate for things to tear apart.
I have the same thought. The position taken was a stretch to anyone used to "pairs" meaning investigator pairings.
Quick resolved it. It was sloppy design.
I just want to know the extent I need to pester the mod when someone disagrees with me. I don't view it as stupid but perhaps I was a little bitchy.
Blah no one is here to enjoy drunk Titus.
Back, I'm read for anything
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22 hours left.
Seems like eggy and yuki are not really on the chopping block.
I had been town reading unknown, I will have to go back and search him maybe now, maybe later when I have time.
Titus has felt weird all game, but I am not sure the weirdness I am getting from her play is scum indicative. She misread my posts, the setup, etc. but I really do not see how that helps her as any possible role she could have gotten, and I don't think being not town would make her play off this much.
I will try to look into my group before back to studying again . After I leave to read, I will check in occasionally if any night owls have questions for the duckinator.
Nope cant do it right now, only got halfway through before my brain gave up working for the day. Off to fail another round of studying. #cpa exam. Will finish the iso on unknown and do others in the morning
tbh you've been a bit defensive in tone lately. I think SJ is much more relaxed than you're making him out to be.
I trust Unknown because I'm 90% confident he let his role slip. I'm not quoting the post today, but I think I know his role, and it's not mafia.
Eggy isn't safe atm. Neither is Yuki. They're getting a pass now because they've been mostly inactive, but I don't think a single person has even gotten to L-3 yet. People have simply been complacent with their votes. (which isn't entirely surprising in a game with only 6 town)
But really Duckk, if you're town, half of the people in your section aren't. Surely you can offer up someone who isn't fitting in just right? If you have a case on Eggy or Yuki that isn't moon logic, I'll hear it.
Yeah, I don't think unknown slips his role this early. Since when has unknown been careless? Why haven't you tried to figure out why if you believed that?
Why are you complaining about the lack of wagons going anywhere, not pushing a wagon, yet hard against an unknown wagon?
It happens, and if you look for it, you might find it. I suspect this is along the lines of what @PLZLEAVEDUCKK has picked up on as well. But I'm simply not going to say more on the subject.
I've pushed more than anyone here, but y'all aren't giving me much in the way of responses to work with. My vote accomplished what it needed to: it got you to start explaining your reasoning more. I've pushed your train in proportion to how much I like it. As it stands, it's day 1 and most things being given off are null. You've been hypersensitive to prods, but it's not enough to be an outright "my scumdar has detected Titus lynch her now gogogo."
Right now, I'd lynch you, Eggy, or Yuki. Unknown is clear for me because of the slip, and I'm temporarily allowing Duckk to slide as he continues to flesh out his reasoning. (I would very much like to check if his case to defend Unknown is the same as my own, though) You're a mild scumlean, and Eggy+Yuki are basically just policy lynches for reduced activity.
Oh nice try on that one. I don't give two shits about your vote. I answered because Eggy asked and they are not likely scum.
You couldn't even bother defending unknown against my points (you know they are true), so you're acting as if slipping your role before a major wagon appears is townie (it isn't) and you still haven't give reasons for your reads. All you've done is ask people for others.
Yet, unknown doesn't attack you. That's selective scumhunting at best. And that's a scum indicator too.
So why should I be townreading either of you?
I must say, I do enjoy getting absolutely nowhere with you.
I've given my reasons for every vote and every read I've made. I find it hard to believe that a town in your position would be capable of that degree of a misrep.
Suggesting Unknown and I could be scumbuddies because Unknown hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best. The only person Unknown's been truly aggressive against is you. And for the most part the people going after you are all you pay attention to. It just so happens that the two people applying even the remotest prod to you are looking like scum? That's really just too convenient.
I have trouble seeing myself changing my vote for the rest of the day. As you say, eat rope.
No. You haven't. Throwing buzzwords and lies is hardly explaining yourself at all.
Also, I love how you cherrypick one observation that I make, don't deny it, but shade and say it's not enough. Selective scumhunting has long been an indicator of scuminess.
Then you shade again by saying I only pay attention to those going after me, which is also fiction.
I am not surprised that when I highlight your behavior you threaten me rather than analyzing things.
I specifically asked you why you thought a role "slip" could come from town (obviously not going to ask where in case I am wrong). You showed zero analysis on that point.
I asked you where unknown was town by play. Zero analysis.
I asked you about unknown's selective scumhunting. You whined about a well known tell.
You've tried to sell yourself as scumhunting me, but you aren't even intelligently replying to what I am saying. Rather, you are throwing copious amounts of shade hoping that I would look defensive.
You still don't justify shit.
Now, if you'll excuse me. I'll leave you with my favorite Donald Trump impression.
"I'm number one. What y'all need three times the resources, I can do with one. Some people would say catching the scum too early is a negative thing. Me, I say it's a challenge to work on persuasion."
Y'all in?
Hoping you look defensive? You are defensive. You're accusing me of lying but you don't even put in the effort to say what the alleged lies are.
I've made clear I'm not talking more about Unknown's slip. Not discussing why I think a non-mafia can slip is part of that. Period.
Aaaaand then the misrep pours in. I'm not here to defend Unknown's play and given the lack of any sort of consensus to pressure him, I don't see a reason to. I read him because of his slip, not because of his play. He's made a mere 20 posts, none of them accomplishing much. I'm not giving him anything other than a null based on play. Looking more into Unknown is simply not my concern here.
I didn't complain about you using a tell. I pointed out that the tell isn't even remotely valid here. Unknown has hardly given deep thoughts on anyone, so the idea "oh, he's not attacking this one person, must be his scum partner" is completely shit because he's not going after people to begin with. But then you invoke an even more subtle misrep: You started talking about who Unknown was "attacking," which of course doesn't include me, but now you're talking scumhunting in general. Unknown has given comments on some of my posts and how he feels about them. Not terribly fleshed out, sure, but he's said thoughts about me, and you need to stop pretending that didn't happen.
And there you end with your strongest misrep. I'm the one not justifying shit? Please. Just belly up already. A town Titus would not be so wildly misrepping someone going after her, but a scum Titus has all the reason in the world to discredit the most vocal town. You almost could not be more transparent.
An exclamation of surprise at the lack of shitposts, as well as an irrelevant commentary on how Criminal Minds firing Thomas Gibson was justified but unfortunate.
Spoiler : Orpz FM History :
Matt, either you're town or you are neutral in my read now.
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I don't get what people have said about my role slipping at this point.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
If you are being completely honest here, I have no idea where you are getting your idea of town!Unknown from. You are comparing me to (maybe?) that game where I was the bleeder otherwise you are characterizing me completely wrong on purpose.
1.) I make more slips when I'm town than when I'm scum. I say the stupidest things and then people catch me and it's like "this is dumb." I'm more cautious as scum.
I've hinted my role before, but this isn't relevant at all to most games that I play including this one. Not sure where Matt is getting his information from but it's probably a false conclusion.
Also you are only using points on me (which don't even make sense on me) for whatever reason. I haven't seen you comment on anything but myself and others whom accuse you, and you are acting way too aggressive which is relatable to games I've played with you. TBH I read you scum less now actually because this unnecessary pushing style did not remind me of last game, but the game before when you decided to push me for the dumbest reasons. (Sandbox if I'm not mistaken.) gut is telling me there are better lynches currently, and as sad as it is to say I'm usually not wrong.
That being said, I have not been making arguments at all other than slight points because I usually don't early on. You either have an entirely wrong view on me and my normal play style, or you are just trying to make me look worse.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
This makes no sense. I hope my "brother" is Matt otherwise no idea what you're saying.
Going to look at the rest of your arguments, but I've noticed you do one thing that I am strongly against specifically out of the context you took it from and how it was changed at such time.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
Your argument is based on how you think I act, which is completely wrong and you only use this to describe me. I actually have no idea where you have this image of me, and for that reason it actually makes me more suspicious because you are doing what you said I was doing (and I was called scummy for that). Your only argument is that you are trying to pin me as scum because I'm not doing the stuff that I "normally" do as town.
Why would I want to attack MattZed? This is broken logic and I can't even follow what you are getting at.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
To return to the point mentioned previously, I corrected myself when I originally wrote this, and the only reason that Titus has kept up her argument is because of this. She actually never said anything about this before it.
To be clear, I was saying # 3 and 4 against Titus, but apparently she took this as me "attacking myself" which stuff that actually isn't true. I have backed up my points, about your lack of communication/cooperation and the fact that you are using this image of me and trying to make me look bad which is stupid.
I'm done now, nothing more to say and I am just repeating myself at this point.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
@MiniZed , I told you then and I told you now, I default as viewing such leaks as scum, depending on the role.
The only "lack of cooperation" I gave done us cooperating with mislynches. Instead, I have been showing players as town, boxing scum in. You engage in self meta too.
"Look at me, I slipped my role before in an anti-town fashion, I did it again so I am town. Oh and I'll assume that anyone who believes me when I say that is town with no further analysis. This even assumes I did slip my role, which I shouldn't be proud of."
Meh, I reconsidered. I think Orpz should be left alone, and maybe forced to give irrelevant commentary on Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen.
You are presenting everything you say as if you are trying to fight everything. This isn't productive so I have no idea what you are doing.
I didn't leak. I even SAID that because I don't know what this argument is. You are assuming I slipped without actually knowing where I "slipped" which is beyond scummy.
No. you didn't answer multiple questions Matt and Duck asked because you didn't want to or "need to" (SuperJack too i think) so don't go around saying you cooperated.
Tell me who you interacted with other than the people you accused. Me and Matt, both people who accused you, AND at the time Duck too are the ONLY people you ever pushed. You can't say you don't scum-read the people who accuse you of being scum.
See point 1. I never said I Purposely slipped, but that your argument is weak because you've followed it before on me and you have screwed up. I don't know how you use that as a scum-slip, scum are more conscious and more careful than Town are.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
Now, that's even more falsehoods. My whole argument has been supposing you slipped a role, you could still be scum seeking credit to match your town meta. Obviously, if you didn't, we know how I feel about liars.
Not flooding the thread with pointless questions, and seeing if you would whine about being caught are protown motivations and cooperating. A doormat doesn't cooperate. Intelligent people cooperate in their own way.
SuperJack I interacted with. Eggy I did even after I realized he was town. I don't have to comment on everything. On Ms, I am the queen of tunnels because I get my scum lynched.
You quoted all of those posts and that is all? I was expecting some epic analysis.
Sorry, I missed this post completely.
What was the "what makes you disagree?" question referring too? If it's the Titus claiming posts, I explained it and you touched on it.
At the time, yes.
-Yukitaka Oni: You're first 3 posts was fluff. The 4th post is about going to sleep. Your first post back was overly defensive imo. You followed up with a series of posts that I categorize as fluff. This post right here gives me cause for concern. In the setup it says "Mafia share DAY CHAT." Also, in the forum I'm coming from (granted it was not a mafia based forum) mafia always had a chat. So, saying mafia does not have a chat seems really off to me.
-vote Yukitaka Oni
-I town read Duck.
-MiniZed is lean town to me.
-Titus has had shaky moments in the game. I did not like his early claiming posts, I agreed with him on Lynch All Liars. He came off defensive at times. Lean scum, but Yuki is a stronger scum read for me.
-Eggy is neutral for me, right now. No read on him.
The Mafia and the neutral will feel ease when they vote anyone in their group, although that's not the case check for everyone (emotion) especially the people who decide to sheep vote and not vote.
Not much of a idea, but right now we should rather (pick) a group to lynch to narrow down the read pool and focus on 1 group rather than reading everyone. Basically we're going to do the same trick like the previous 3 group game
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>claim sleeping is lying
>thought human cannot sleep because it's a lie
Wow, such bot, such spam, robot much ? The only explanation why you thought sleeping is a lie is because you're a bot, not a human account bro. Hey skynet, who's the scum? Who's the neutral, show me, you'ol piece of junk robotic :V
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