your goal is to convince town why people are scum not just show up randomly without reading most of the thread and say hey. I think these guys are scum. and what you scum read me for scum reading you?
your goal is to convince town why people are scum not just show up randomly without reading most of the thread and say hey. I think these guys are scum. and what you scum read me for scum reading you?
Im taking a break from this thread until calix mattzed and simple come back. I will go crazy if I stay on any longer. Someone please mention me when atleast two of the people I just said are back.
Why is this thread so dead... I feel like its going to be another no lynchn, we cant get everyone on at the same time.
Jesus Christ, you people are stupid and I'm in the same boat for wasting my time reading the drivel that you call "scum-hunting"
"Oh, Mesk could have been killed by town." - If you took five seconds to READ THE SETUP, you'd realise that the Vigilante's kills take place the night after a player is shot. I don't even know why this is a point for debate.
In any case, Mafia are confirmed to be lazy cunts who tried to kill me early YET AGAIN and Mesk Body-Doubled me. I see a fair few comments trying to throw shade on me as being a potential Mafia (looking at you, MattZed, Eggy) but none of you thought to ask wherever Mafia can even target themselves before doing that? Looks like doubt-casting to me.
Spoiler : Here's an example :
@Iced_Monopoly Can the Mafia target themselves for the night kill?
MattZed with the stupid questions over anything useful. Fuck's sake mate.
Spoiler : MiniZed's 'summary' of the game. A perfect example of why summaries are bullshit. It's horrendously biased and consists largely of subjective details/ interpretations over keeping it simple and focused on the facts.
MiniZed's summary also goes out of its way to throw shade on everyone. If this is how MiniZed views the game then he looks extremely opportunistic. Comments like "oh, Eggy had a weird vote", "everyone kinda stopped pushing me for whatever reason", "XYZ is being odd" looks like he isn't trying to scum-hunt as much as he is just trying to doubt-cast everyone who isn't him.
He's also a hypocrite because he literally uses meta to scum-read Eggy yet accuses me of "using meta more than usual" to suspect him. I say 'suspect' because MiniZed didn't even give a read on me, LMAO :
Only Simple Joy post I found but I like the vibe I got from them so far. Granted, I am biased because I was town-reading Gyrlander but the probing questions are always appreciated.
I'd just like to log these string of posts.
(note: they weren't posted consecutively so I might have missed some of the nuances of the discussion. However, the progression and my thoughts on the players are as I read it when I first skimmed the thread)
It starts off with Eggy stating that he has a town lean on Kovath. He claims that NU "doesn't feel genuine" in his scum-hunting and only states the obvious. This is a point that has been repeated on multiple occasions by DB, Kovath and MiniZed so I don't see any original analysis there.
NU, as per usual, immediately launches in to attack anyone accusing him. I don't disagree with his analysis in this example, but so far this just reads as another example of NU caring more and putting more effort into defending himself as opposed to legitimately trying to sort players.
MiniZed enters with some pointers about why he scum-reads Kovath. I dislike the focus on "feels" over anything substantial and the lack of examples aggravates me.
This is where it gets interesting - Eggy immediately abandons the town lean that he previously held about Kovath in favour of fueling the "Kovath could be neutral" scenario. This conformity with someone else's opinions pinged me as scummy.
Some other pointers about Eggy.
The lack of initiative amazes me. You are seriously waiting until a game is finished until you give reads/ pressure them? You were perfectly capable of giving reads on your first game on-site so this lazy and privileged way of viewing the game rubs me the wrong way.
Why do I say privileged? You're assuming that you'll survive long enough for the outcome of the game to be made apparent.
Bartering votes. That's not how you'd treat a scum-read. Seems like you're just going through the motions.
Your last comment about "oh noes we might No Lynch again" is premature. ~200 posts overnight is a reasonable level of activity in my eyes.
@Spruance
This isn't a case, technically speaking. I just made some notes on players last night as I am finding it difficult to sort them. If Spruance ignores this post or doesn't take the time to respond to it in a way that satisfies me, then I'm just going to interpret that as confirmation of the points made against him.
- Starts the game by trying to crib the "ALWAYS TOWN GUISE" line, then goes on to post some of the most insultingly obvious crap the world has ever seen (there is X% chance of lynching a town guise!) before he gets drawn into a protracted discussion about how DAY 1 IS TOO HARD FOR MEH.
- Claims Eggy scum-slipped but his reasoning makes zero sense. (Kovath wasn't capitalised + join date + 'feels strange' = ???) DB raised a good point when he mentioned Spruance's aversion to scum-reading active players.
- His defenses and vote reasoning sucks. Most of it is "you did it too!", "you suck/ I already did this so I don't have to do anything else" and "this player is experienced and that scares me so they should die now!"
- Suspicious voting patterns. Admits to OMGUS with NU. Changes votes frequently and goes along with ALL of the popular trains even though he town-read them. (Never Unlucky, DarknessB, Mesk) Seems like he only cares about getting a lynch off on anyone who isn't him.
- This is reinforced by the fact that he a) claimed DB didn't feel scummy but voted for him when I asked for reasoning and b) voted for Mesk right after MiniZed dropped a shitty ISO on her.
- Speaking of the DB vote, his reasoning for thinking that DB could be the Neutral is "he has a good reads list" and "he seems unbiased enough that he probably doesn't have a partner" - this reads like Spruance is informed on what would be a 'good' and 'bad' read on players.
- In addition to this, his Day 2 behaviour follows a similar pattern. Instead of pursuing a lynch on NU/ DB/ anyone that he had previously suspected, he claims that he would be "fine with either a Kovath or Eggy" lynch today. Why? Because of "having the highest probability of flipping scum" - I rest my case for bullshit, generic reasoning that can apply to everyone.
- As this post shows, he later goes on to add MiniZed to the scum pool.
Let's see...he's voted for NU, DB, Mesk and then adds Kovath, MiniZed, Eggy. 6/9 players in the game and the remaining three are the following:
1. Gyrlander/ Simple Joy, a slot which has not been at risk of being lynched nor has it faced much pressure.
2. RLVG/ MattZed, a slot which was AFK for Day 1 and thus was unlikely to result in a lynch.
3. Calix, a slot which was widely town-read, under minimal pressure and was attacked on Night 1.
Tell me how this isn't the behaviour of someone trying to get a lynch on anyone that ISN'T himself.
@MiniZed you stated a town-read on him after going through his ISO. Please respond to the points raised against him if you'd be so kind.
If your response is "lol don't town-read him anymore" then a detailed walk-through of why you changed your mind would be A.
Vote Count [Day 2]
How the actual fuck did people stand by and allow Kovath to be the leading train, exactly? The fact that Shaun the Sheep has decided to hop onto Train of the Day for the 597647th time while MiniZed is on a mission to throw shade on everyone doesn't inspire confidence in this train.
Not sure wherever MiniZed's "don't think it was a scum kill anyways" line was a legitimate slip. Like I said, the Vigilante cannot instantly kill players and I see no plausible scenario where a) I was attacked by town and b) the scum had their kill fail on the same night. I think it's scummy more because he is trying to stir the pot with moronic theories and throw shade...seems to be a recurring theme with MiniZed.
I'm going to dig into that debacle between Eggy and NU before I comment on that in more detail.
"non-scum"
Did you just reveal that I cannot be the Neutral either? Given your weird behaviour around anything relating to the Neutral (case in point, your theory-crafting about the Neutral's involvement in the kill) this catches me as strange.
Ah yes, using meta to scum-read players even though MiniZed was slamming players earlier for using meta. Consistency at its finest.
Some potential buddying with MattZed going on. Nothing he said has impressed me so I'll be looking for an increase in post quality. If he keeps referring to MiniZed just because of RP reasons, I'm going to get annoyed. Case in point, his 'ISO' on MiniZed which he only followed up with the following:
@Eggy
Here are most of the Eggy/ NU interactions, split up into 6 segments. There is more but it got repetitive after a while.
Spoiler : EGGY VS NEVER UNLUCKY :
I scum-read Shaun the Sheep as well and the reasons I am voting with a scum-read are because a) it's a multi-ball setup so this is possible W/W and b) I have four players in my lynch pool so I need to sort them out somehow...but this vote is truly terrible.
- Hedges the possibility of Spruance being scum because of teh metah
- 'You are so annoying' is not a scum tell
- 'if you are town' (this is not a line that should be popping up when you are voting for people)
- Justifies voting for Spruance over NU because of NU's contributions
While I am on a roll with wall-posting the absolute shit out of this game, Eggy can respond to the notes I made on him from N1 as well.
[snipped from my Last Will. Has not been edited so some parts are outdated/ have been addressed already]
"I don't see a lot of overtly scummy behaviour but I see little pro-town behaviour either. Possible that he is trying to float by. (his comment about making sure that he could catch up in posts before he got replaced just gave me that impression)
Some things do not add up for me.
- Seems to be making way more excuses than normal to justify his subpar performance this game. Hedges his opinion and lacks initiative (asks people to 'persuade him' and 'paint a picture' of someone as scum)
- Town-reads Mesk because "she is always town and has been town in all the games I've played with her" (yet is self-aware that his friendship could make him biased and later backtracks on this read with the whole "oh I'll vote her if she is the only person who can be lynched today")
- Wasn't a fan of those EOD comments about Mesk either. Feels like he already knew what she would flip. He'll claim meta, I'm sure.
- Sheeps me onto DarknessB, although he later says that his only scum-read is Spruance. Not sure if he had even looked through DB's posts before voting.
- Actually, he has no scum-reads. Closest thing he has is "null-scum" for Spruance."
Spoiler : Actually let's discuss these reads of his, shall we?
Already been mentioned that waiting to see how the outcome of a current game goes before making a read on 2/9 other players is bad.
He seems to be relying way too much on meta, honestly, which seems to be why his reads are so terrible. I don't like the lack of scum-reads, I've said this, and the fact that he only mildly suspects the lurkers while town-reading the active players could be an attempt to avoid being pressured by stronger players.
Conflates contribution/ activity with a town alignment. See above for criticisms of that line of thought. I'd go into more detail but Eggy is just so bland that I don't really know what to say about him.
His constant references to Politico give me the impression that he is being legit with his uncertainity about reads, however :
No, their theory was that scum!Calix, knowing she was in a night-chat with the Mesk, attacked Mesk directly to make it seem like you were targeted by the expansionists and confirm you as not scum. Their theory was not that scum!Calix targeted herself.
I "launched an attack" on Eggy when I saw that he skipped at least 3 pages of posts, asking questions that had already been addressed, before he made his reads list.
My refutation of this idea still stands. Killing a sympathetic Protective (likely the only one we have) when the Supernatural, not the Mafia, can kill tonight would be a horrendously short-sighted move on my part with minimal gain.
Noted.I "launched an attack" on Eggy when I saw that he skipped at least 3 pages of posts, asking questions that had already been addressed, before he made his reads list.
I hope you are in the middle of responding to the rest of what I posted.
You being serious? I just posted two giant cases on Spruance/ Eggy and you have nothing to say about them?
All you did was respond to anything that mentioned you.
Even more damning, you have claimed in this game thread that such self-centred behaviour is a scum tell.
I'm being lazy. zzz
Since the very first page of the thread, you mentioned the NKA was important. Do you have any thoughts on Mesk's death? Or were they all brought up by everyone else?
What did you like of Simple Joy's post? I was left with a WTF-face after reading it.
Good points you make on Eggy.
Ok, you summed up what's Spruance's done this game...
His point on why he is "pushing me" (How do you even consider that pushing me?) rather than the replacement is not "decent". He says he wants them to talk more before he pushes them, but he does NOTHING to get them to talk. This guy's a joke.
I didn't go for the moronic "you fake-voted so you claimed scum" line of thought. My point was that Eggy himself said that fake-voting was a scum-tell in POLITICO, but faked his vote himself in this game. I wanted to know what he had to say about this. His reply was good (for once).
"I really wish these two would shut it with the references though" In this whole debacle, I made reference to another once. I'm not sure what are your grounds for this statement, it feels really off. If anything, you're the one who abuses of references this game.
"They do it way too much and it makes me want to shove a pitchfork in my eyes." lol
"Well I think NU did more call-outs than Eggy did so he's going to have to walk me through that one." I didn't understand who the "he" was referring to.
"NU's "you didn't respond to my posts" mantra gets seriously repetitive though." That's sort of a misrep. I blame Eggy for not answering my questions, not for not replying to my posts. There is a big nuance between these two. You can't say that Eggy has ever answered my questions other than the "fake-vote" question which was an easy one.It does get repetitive for me too, trust me, but if Eggy would give an answer to the shit I say to him, we wouldn't be here.
"Not really feeling the scum vibes from NU so far for Day 2 save for his insistence on bringing up the Neutral." I talked about the neutral once? o.o
More good points on Eggy.
HA! I'm back with the shitty format again! Suck it, Calix!
lmao, I like how you responded when I called you out on it and your only defense is being "lazy". Yeah, not letting that one slip past.
No, I do not have any thoughts on Mesk dying because the scum attacked me. There is nothing to say there because people have a fetish for seeing my dead body. I cannot even tell wherever the scum fear me because my reads are accurate or just because I'm ~Calix~ and I'm ~too good to risk keeping around~
The fact that they are willing to dig deep into posts to draw out more nuanced reasoning, perhaps?What did you like of Simple Joy's post? I was left with a WTF-face after reading it.
Think I noted that earlier, but not sure there. I agree either way.His point on why he is "pushing me" (How do you even consider that pushing me?) rather than the replacement is not "decent". He says he wants them to talk more before he pushes them, but he does NOTHING to get them to talk. This guy's a joke.
Gotcha.I didn't go for the moronic "you fake-voted so you claimed scum" line of thought. My point was that Eggy himself said that fake-voting was a scum-tell in POLITICO, but faked his vote himself in this game. I wanted to know what he had to say about this. His reply was good (for once).
I was talking about the Politico references in general. Between you drawing comparisons between your own scum game and here and Eggy using it as a reason to be lazy with his reads, it's getting on my tits."I really wish these two would shut it with the references though" In this whole debacle, I made reference to another once. I'm not sure what are your grounds for this statement, it feels really off. If anything, you're the one who abuses of references this game.
Eggy."Well I think NU did more call-outs than Eggy did so he's going to have to walk me through that one." I didn't understand who the "he" was referring to.
That wasn't a misrepresentation. Please stop bandying around that term."NU's "you didn't respond to my posts" mantra gets seriously repetitive though." That's sort of a misrep. I blame Eggy for not answering my questions, not for not replying to my posts. There is a big nuance between these two. You can't say that Eggy has ever answered my questions other than the "fake-vote" question which was an easy one.It does get repetitive for me too, trust me, but if Eggy would give an answer to the shit I say to him, we wouldn't be here.
What points do you feel that he missed then? I didn't get the impression that he was evading anything myself.
Want to expand on that, mate?More good points on Eggy.
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
Before I do anything else, (I have to go somewhere) my vote on Eggy was to get him to contribute not based on Meta though. I wasn't going to say "I don't scum-read Eggy" because that does nothing. Luckily he contributed more then he did day 1 anyways.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
>claims vote is for pressure
>does not unvote now that he's revealed the vote was for pressure and that the main reason for voting Eggy has been made invalid
Exhibit A of scum trying to keep their lynch options open.
Do you actually read me as Neutral or are you just saying this to doubt-cast?
I still haven't forgotten your complete lack of a read on me, mate.
What do you mean I didn't unvote?
More like commenting on how he's so certain.
Apparently this is considering"doubt cast" opposed to being more cautious then not. I don't know why you've said I castes shade on everyone, but my opinion is there so people can comment on it. If you want to call it shade throwing on everyone, go for it.
Don't really care.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
Wait, forgot you changed your vote to Kovath. My bad.
"I'm going to write a paragraph justifying myself before claiming that I don't care."
Legit.
You still haven't stated your read on me, nor have you answered why you didn't give a read on me yesterday. Thus your "can't she be Neutral? xDDDD" questioning is throwing shade on me.
I wasn't saying I don't care to that, it's in sequence.
Cool, continue the constant mocking it's really enjoyable.
That's what I said I don't care to, lol. I just woke up and I don't want to make a long post on a result I'm already pretty sure of.
Why is that throwing shade? If you want me to go ahead and be like "she can't be neutral and as long as I say this I'm not throwing shade at her and we're all happy"
Throwing shade is saying "she's likely neutral obviously" and anything further. Pondering the idea doesn't = throwing shade.
Suggesting MiniZed and I could be scumbuddies because MiniZed hasn't "attacked" me is reaching at best.Originally Posted by MattZed
Because you still haven't said what alignment you think I am or given anything to substantiate your read on me, which allows you to insinuate things without sticking yourself down in anything concrete or taking a side.
You have enough time to whine about how you don't have the time to give a read on me...when you could have just told me.
Cool, continue the constant evasion. It's really enjoyable.
Usual shit he does.
First point is correct but probably NAI for this slot - why should we consider it a scum-point? If you believe that he's just trying to survive, would you say this was an excuse to cast his vote randomly somewhere, possibly to fish for a train as well? But then why go back toward sheeping the main trains?- Claims Eggy scum-slipped but his reasoning makes zero sense. (Kovath wasn't capitalised + join date + 'feels strange' = ???) DB raised a good point when he mentioned Spruance's aversion to scum-reading active players.
They always suck, so again, does this suggest a certain narrative to you? I don't see anything particularly compelling toward either alignment.- His defenses and vote reasoning sucks. Most of it is "you did it too!", "you suck/ I already did this so I don't have to do anything else" and "this player is experienced and that scares me so they should die now!"
How does the Eggy vote fit?- Suspicious voting patterns. Admits to OMGUS with NU. Changes votes frequently and goes along with ALL of the popular trains even though he town-read them. (Never Unlucky, DarknessB, Mesk) Seems like he only cares about getting a lynch off on anyone who isn't him.
I think I've done the first thing as town before when having a gut feeling that someone wasn't scum but didn't really have an answer on hand when questioned on it (though not sure whether I actually voted). Second part is more fair. I'd just blend it in with the broader picture you're presenting.- This is reinforced by the fact that he a) claimed DB didn't feel scummy but voted for him when I asked for reasoning and b) voted for Mesk right after MiniZed dropped a shitty ISO on her.
I think the weirder part was the unsubstantiated "unbiased enough" - I'd say there are a number of players that would be unbiased, especially because there are only 2 scummates, so to highlight this here over a particular reads list is odd (what did he think about MiniZed's wall? was it because he was townread by MiniZed?). Does that mean Spruance is seeing bias elsewhere (neutral)? Or perhaps that he's aware of his own bias and his teammate's?- Speaking of the DB vote, his reasoning for thinking that DB could be the Neutral is "he has a good reads list" and "he seems unbiased enough that he probably doesn't have a partner" - this reads like Spruance is informed on what would be a 'good' and 'bad' read on players.
"Good" has more to do with size + analysis present in the read, probably. Though it's odd he'd call that a good reads list and then produce his own unique brand of reads list, lul.
NAI on the bullshit reasoning. The more interesting part of this was that he voted for Eggy again and then myself, who has probably a smaller chance of being lynched: It could be a repeat of D1 behavior in just picking some rando placeholder trains until something clearer develops from the rest of the players, or it could be trying to follow MiniZed while trying to look like not sheeping.- In addition to this, his Day 2 behaviour follows a similar pattern. Instead of pursuing a lynch on NU/ DB/ anyone that he had previously suspected, he claims that he would be "fine with either a Kovath or Eggy" lynch today. Why? Because of "having the highest probability of flipping scum" - I rest my case for bullshit, generic reasoning that can apply to everyone.
Don't see anything wrong with this characterization. Now for alignments: Is he neut or a scum-member, and is there anything that pushes that narrative over survivalist and shitty town?- As this post shows, he later goes on to add MiniZed to the scum pool.
Let's see...he's voted for NU, DB, Mesk and then adds Kovath, MiniZed, Eggy. 6/9 players in the game and the remaining three are the following:
1. Gyrlander/ Simple Joy, a slot which has not been at risk of being lynched nor has it faced much pressure.
2. RLVG/ MattZed, a slot which was AFK for Day 1 and thus was unlikely to result in a lynch.
3. Calix, a slot which was widely town-read, under minimal pressure and was attacked on Night 1.
Tell me how this isn't the behaviour of someone trying to get a lynch on anyone that ISN'T himself.
I'm leaning scum now after thinking this through. He seems oddly aware of where his votes are going (shitty placeholders with terrible reasoning in early day, leaves him room to switch away, followed by sheeping big trains later in the day -> suggests that this isn't haphazard) and my thoughts about "unbiased enough" : It suggests to me that this is a scum being premeditated about his approach over a town just being lazy af. The "unbiased" comment has me a little more favored toward a scum-member theory than a neut one, but admittedly it's a weak reason.
Death, yet the Town.
~The Town Code
I'm still catching up, but another potentially implicating point on Spruance would be his rationale for voting me yesterday combined with last night's scum attack. Spruance's rationale was something to the effect of: "he's too dangerous to keep alive" / "he's a dangerous, experienced player". Consider that in light of Calix, the loudest voice in the game, being attacked last night -- it's not a stretch to assume that the scum are afraid of her persuasive ability / status as an experienced player as well. At the very least, Spruance has a fixation with experienced players, who seem to be drawing night actions.
I was not trying to throw shade at you. I was just stating a distinct possibility. Also I never said scum targeted themself I said you could have targeted mesk. NU already explained this so im not going to reapeat it. I find it strange that you are almost waving around a confirmed status and then you go on to say it would be not a good scum move, when you basically are using it to confirm yourself.
Also, I am not under the impression that Calix was attached for having correct Day 1 reads as opposed to "Calix is dangerous / persuasive" meta. Recall that her scumteam narrative for most of Day 1 was Mesk / Darkness. We already know that Mesk was Town and I know that I am Town (whether you believe me is of course another story...), which makes her 0/2 for scumreads during Day 1. I suppose that's more reason for Calix to be pissed in terms of being targeted even when she's not on the right track, but just because she's Calix.
I think he voted for an inactive so that he didn't draw the ire of any of the more active, aggressive players, then he started to join the viable lynch trains nearer the end of the day.
The other reasons might be NAI, but his focus on experienced players and how they should die early seems like he might be scared of being pressured by them later on. He was referring to DB with that 'experienced' line (a player who had expressed irritation about the lurkers) as well.They always suck, so again, does this suggest a certain narrative to you? I don't see anything particularly compelling toward either alignment.
This part makes me lean towards Spruance being the Neutral. The fact that he specified that DB could be the Neutral Killing catches me strangely, however. He's either hypersensitive about his own role or he is neutral-hunting. I am leaning towards the former because he kept changing his votes afterwards.I think the weirder part was the unsubstantiated "unbiased enough" - I'd say there are a number of players that would be unbiased, especially because there are only 2 scummates, so to highlight this here over a particular reads list is odd (what did he think about MiniZed's wall? was it because he was townread by MiniZed?). Does that mean Spruance is seeing bias elsewhere (neutral)? Or perhaps that he's aware of his own bias and his teammate's?
I think Neutral is more likely because of how indiscriminately he votes but I can see some hints of this coming from Mafia as well. I am not particularly bothered with which one because of the lack of town motivation behind such terrible play.Don't see anything wrong with this characterization. Now for alignments: Is he neut or a scum-member, and is there anything that pushes that narrative over survivalist and shitty town?
I'm leaning scum now after thinking this through. He seems oddly aware of where his votes are going (shitty placeholders with terrible reasoning in early day, leaves him room to switch away, followed by sheeping big trains later in the day -> suggests that this isn't haphazard) and my thoughts about "unbiased enough" : It suggests to me that this is a scum being premeditated about his approach over a town just being lazy af. The "unbiased" comment has me a little more favored toward a scum-member theory than a neut one, but admittedly it's a weak reason.
Show me how I'm doing that please. That post has me expressing irritation over me being attacked on Night 1 YET AGAIN. That isn't me 'trying to confirm myself' - that is a fact.
I also explained why it isn't a good scum move. You have not countered my reasoning for why it isn't so why are you acting like that's a bad thing?
I said TOWISH=null town. So much so that he is the only person I forgot to mention in my intitial reads. I still have a slight town/read on him that didnt change, he was the least strong of my town leans though so why would I not take other possibilites (such as neutral since I didnt think he was rlly scum, and i've never played with neutrals so I dont know if I would mistake the playstyle for slight town or not. I did not abandon my weird what so ever, I just agreed that he is not strikingly town or scummy which conforms with my forst read.
I think it would be a very good scum move. Because it makes you look way more towny than you even were. And you would have a chance to manipulate mesks last will so that everyone all but is convinced that you are town. And then you can take the position of town leader and push mislynches. I still think you are town I just think that is a pretty damn good move if you were scum. I dont see a better nightkill.
Honestly, Kovath is a very slight Town-read if that and that read would be mostly based on the contribution = Town misnomer. There's a certain allergicness in his play to jump into the mud this game. Instead, he tends to remain somewhat detached with long wallposts that tend to show some suspicion of player, but he never really makes a strong stand for much.
I've been excoriated / harshly scumread by players like Calix before for being hesitant to cast votes early in games when I ended up rolling scum / neutral. To that end, I believe Kovath cast maybe two votes yesterday? His RVS vote and then at Mesk during the end of the day? I feel like he is trying to avoid making strong enemies by treating everyone with a little bit of suspicion, but never really pushing on anyone. Smells a bit Neutral to me, in terms of not making any strong enemies early in the game who might be inclined to push against him.
And then you dismiss the idea by not "understanding what we were saying" and then when it is explained again you dismiss it as "not a good scum move."
Honestly, it's a dumb idea to night kill Calix to start the game because everyone knows that it's very likely to happen, even to the extent of the "if Calix survives Night 1, she's scum" joke. Given our site's sad meta on that, it's not a surprise that Mesk as a protective guarded Calix. Leads me to believe that the groupscum have at least one derpy or reckless-type player, especially given Mesk's soft clues to the effect of "Calix and I will speak tonight" in Day 1.
Null-town is different from town lean how, exactly?
I don't see how anyone forgets about Kovath, honestly. It's not like he's been sitting back and doing jack shit.
Would be good if it was someone else who didn't have a reputation for constantly getting shot.
I hold the position of town leader regardless of how confirmed I am.
It's a stupid move because trying to 'confirm myself as town' would 100% attract the attention of the Supernatural who would then kill me N2.
Well, they did try to kill me. That is stating a fact, like I said.
No, because there is always the possibility that I am Neutral, something you discount in that 'Calix wants to confirm herself' theory.
Why are you trying to paint my misinterpretation of the arguments that I could be team scum as scummy? You make it sound like I was being deliberately obtuse.
Again, you still haven't explained how my reasoning is flawed.