So whad, specifically what do you think about LG?
Town:
Lady Gauss - On reread, liking this slot's posts. I like how this slot is helping actively sort contraversial slots such as Stereo and ccantman and calling out some people who might get a town pass like ika (see post #34)
GET - Meta tell on Mesk, also this slot seems to be actively scumhunting.
ccantman - I now read this slot as noob town that is trying hard to contribute and is getting better. At first was passive, but this can be interpreted as either scum passiveness or a playstyle thing. #96 felt particularly townie to me.
POE (in no particular order):
ika - I go back and forth on this slot, and it's really only POE that's making me question ika. I feel like #31 is too genuine for ika to be scum, and #44 is scummy but just helping us get out of RVS. #147 seems bad for attacking low hanging fruit however.
Trine - No posts. Suspicious for posting elsewhere on the forums but not in game. Please replace so we can get a read on the slot.
Stereo - I still think #15 describing town as a separate entity to self is suspicious, however I'm willing to consider that it's a playstyle/communication difference. I have no other reason to townread this slot so that's why it's POE scummy.
Sinon - #121 citizen claim is really forced and awkward. I just don't understand the purpose of this claim completely unprompted. Other than that, Sinon seems to be sitting on the sidelines poking at other players and posting lots of words without really being as productive as I would expect. POE also is hurting this slot because otherwise I'd be happy with a null sorting.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I think I'm most comfortable with ika or Sinon as today's lynch.
@ika
Can you post updated reads? I'm wondering where ccantman falls into your POE after recent developments.
Going to go ISO Sinon now.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
@Whad -- I think we have a solid 3 town block with us and LG.
I was going to bring up trine posting in other parts of the site too. I then checked to see if they were even reading this thread.
Honestly, trine needs to be replaced.
I'm a bit pressed for time right now but here is the general gist of things.
1. 24 hours passed. Night soon, bitches.
2. @Trine needs to get in here and if they have not posted by night 1 they will be replaced by good ol SJ.
3. Reminder to everyone that we're all here as a leisure activity and toxicity doesn't help anyone ;)
@SuperJack please be on standby to replace in N1.
Paragraph to say "Sinon doesn't think Stereo referring to the townspeople as a separate entity to himself is scummy". Lots of extra words that inflate the appearance of heavy contribution.
1. I'll grant Sinon the "Whad's leading question is attempting to control the narrative of the game" point (although ok, it's RVS, we're trying to get out of it). But then why doesn't Sinon vote ME, a player he deems as scummy? This is pinging my scumdar.
2. Citizen claim here is really unnecessary and just... no.
Whad/GET as the scumteam is too obvious to be a thing. It's def. not Trudeau smoke-screening. I also don't really understand the first paragraph here but maybe that's because I'm becoming quite tired.
long wordy post to say "there are lots of new players in the game, and new players may not adhere to traditional scum or town meta". Extra words make it seem like content is higher.
If you had to make a ranking of people you think are towniest to scummiest, what would it look like? Who are your top 2-3 scum suspects and why?
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I really feel good about ccantman too.
@ccantman Who are your top 3 scums (can be by POE)? We should try to reach some kind of consensus on the lynch target.
Btw just as an aside, I'm going to pop in in the morning, but then won't be back before EOD. So any discussion/questions for me please in the next few hours.
Lol that's actually pretty funny. I didn't even realize I did that
What are your thoughts on ika and Sinon?
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
GET just meant that claiming citizen is useful early even if it just fills 1/4 cit claims. Because later on, when cit claims are collected there might be 5 people claiming citizen with only 4 citizen slots. (He made another hypothetical). So far, only Sinon and GET have claimed citizen.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
These names in order of how I thought of them
ccantman - Town
Trine - Unknown
Lady Guass - Town
ika-scum
God Emporer Trudeau-scum (less than Ika)
Stereo-Town
Sinon-Town
Whad-Scum
Is how I would put names if i had to. though since only 2 scum in game, 1 is not many are clearly wrong
@Whad mesk and i feel good about Sinon
I feel ika is scum, mesk disagrees with me.
Second scum slot hasn't been sorted yet. Obviously Stereo is a good candidate for scum, but I lynched him before and was wrong..This could just be my confirmation bias. I asked him for reads, so, if he comes back with something, I'll have more to asses. if not, well...ya know.
Trine's slot throws me for a loop, so, I feel like we might just only have 1 scum right now...
Also, I'm not sold on ccantman being a noob town. Everyone in spirits SWORE up and down arrow was just a new player and even when he did the scummiest things they wrote it off because "stooopid noob" ...ccantman really buddied ika, and I found that so interesting. However, could be new player. So I don't town lean ccantman but I'm not sold enough to lynch him over sinon.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I think I got it, the "5" was refering to
For us, hard claiming in a game with only 4 citizens allows us to fill one spot, and then later claims can be sorted, and if we have a 5 citizen claims for 5 slots, by POE we can wittle down and potentially nail a scum by using behaviors and motivations as a cipher.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I don't think I've gone a game without being pegged as scum day 1. Except my first game, when I actually was scum.
It's a weak point for me. But it's cute to me that you're really going hard on my ass every time I say something that doesn't align with your definition of a townie and their mannerisms.
I mean ths biggest issue with my list is you asked for 3. And the Sinon and Stero I need to do relook at. As I noted, those where the last two people I had actual thoughts on.
For some reason I thought Lady did the overview not GET.
Though (and this is getting into WiFOm ) as a town you would go over stuff, so as mafia you would also go over stuff to help prove your town.
Realistically if I had to choose right now its Ika and Wald,
And right now if I had to choose one, it would be Ika.
And then based on what he reveals would help indicate others.
but as I said, Day 1 is not my forte
That said, I'm not exactly making it a difficult decision for some people.
-vote unvotemy vote is contracicting what i just said, so should fix that
Well, ok. However, I'll be honest...most scum wouldn't go out of their way to explain all of that to you because honestly, the paranoia would make them think of all of the ways in which someone could apply pressure. It more than likely indicates we're town because we're very okay with the spotlight being on us.
Scum like to deflect deflect deflect.
Notice how sinon was all up on our dick, but LG, came in and was like yeahhhhhhh that's not gonna fly, and then suddenly the vote disappeared. Just inconsistently taking stabs in the dark (which can be seen as noob scum or NAI)
I'll also say we're 100% on board with you lynching us. It will put town at a disadvantage, but I think it might be informative.
Initials lables 3 as scum (could still be random at this point)
And the a bunch of posts claiming he has his POE
And finally gives his POE
Which I already gave my issues with it earlier
Refers to Lazy game, but as I did not take part in that, can't comment on it
Gets into an argument with GET about lynching people vs reads
Keeps point out contradicitons in GET's posts
But then has this post
If contradicitons =/= scum, then why the deep dive on GET in the yearly game for contradictions?
My biggest issue with this is, I basically did the same thing that Fury did in WIFOM, and yet in WIFOM, Ika never had the same issue with Fury on. But this is obviously using a different game a reference, so shouldn't hold a lot of weight ( but I think this is where my feeling came from that I just never put into logical thought)
I think that is why I have ika on my mind, but its also late. i'll look at things in the moringing
How are you in any way an "easy and safe lynch"?
LadyGauss slight town reads you. (#179)
ccantman town reads you. (#214)
GET null reads you. (#216)
Sinon neutral reads you. (#184)
Basically everyone who POEs as town or has been vouched for is vouching for you. I'm just trying to communicate my suspicions on a player that everyone seems to be overlooking for reasons that I don't understand. You won't be an easy lynch by any means, and I resent you saying that. I am just 100% not gonna let you fly under the radar with a poor read list, poor effort, and anti-town/pro-scum behavior.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Peh ok. If you feel SO SURE about this then I'm fine voting ika for reasons I stated earlier. Since I won't be around anywhere near EOD, people who will shouldn't vote until later in case he says something amazing to defend himself.
#44 and #147 are what bother me the most for reasons I stated earlier.
-vote ika
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
But for the record, I am comfortable lynching ika.
Point taken. I'm a pretty weak player and it makes me feel weaker. It shows.
How is my low effort anti-town or pro-scum? It doesn't benefit one side or the other, it's just how I feel about people so far. It's day 1. What do you want me to say? Ohhh, fuckin', ccantman beds with scum, lynch that guy, ohh oh shit man I better suck someone's dick so I don't lynched. I'm not exactly a genius when it comes to micro-analyzing and reading between the space between lines. I'm used to disseminating facts from high speed shit posting and trash memes.
You're right, I should stick to SC2.
OK
So for arguments sake. Let's say me*plus mesk* lg whad and stereo are the town block. Who is our 5th?
Options:
Trine
Sinon
Ika
ccantman
I'm leaning ccantman town after his iso on ika.
So let's add ccantman
SO GET, LG, STEREO, WHAD, AND CCANTMAN
Scum: IKA, and Sinon
AFK town: Trine.
game solved?
Going to bed. I'll be around most of the rest of the day. So see ya then NERDS!
Time difference from now (12:15:37 am CDT):
21 hours 44 minutes 22 seconds in the future
^^^^^^ according to timer, this is how much time is left.
If my role-claiming seemed forced or unprompted, it's because when I've played (IRL) before, everyone would claim roles (i.e. town) quite casually and not much was read into doing so. Anyway, I'm becoming a little more suspicious of stereo. They usually sound keeled, but have become defensive now that Whad has challenged them a little. Whad seems to be good at directing the scope of conversation, but has good reads IMO. I hope they are a townsperson or we might be in trouble. Lastly, I took back my vote because I reread the comments I was basing my vote on, and realized I missed part of the jocular tone, so I didn't consider GET scummy enough to keep my vote on.
If you break my heart, I'll get you back in spades!
basically after reading all this and seeing how i have been the top poster here (and no hydras do not count becasue they have not been signing), if you guys want to lynch me for ??? fine with me
poe leads to at least one scum in GET/whad/sinon
trine is the wildcard because trine is posting elsewhere so it is a tossup if both are not in the pool
if i'm universally scum read and poed out becasue again, ???, then fine with me i can sit back and watch the lylo show tomorrow.
-vote whad
Yeah, Trine's slot is very dangerous. We've many town reads so he could potentially be a Witch but as he's not posting...
How many games have you played? You seem to be playing dumb on purpose, because you keep flipping and acting like a skilled player then you flip it and act like this is your first game.
Town block refers to a group of universally recognized town read people deciding to trust each other and vote the potential scum together.
My track record hasn't given me the best chance to learn how to actual play as town