Mesk, I find it scummy that you keep pointing out why certain players seem townie but have yet to voice your own suspicious. It reads to me as potential scum buddying up with a variety of people: Calix, me, AIVION, ... and also like scum who is having a hard time scumhunting since you bear overwhelming guilt since you know you are the scum.
You also make a really waffly/blendy posts here:
So my question for you is, who is the most suspicious player in the game to you, and what is your reasoning for them being the most suspicious.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
What is NAI?
I see emotion in DarknessB's posts, but I don't see anything particularly indicative of town anger. Can you pull up some examples, please?
I read the following post as frustrated scum who is mad he is caught based on meta/personal reasons and using the "old meta" excuse to wriggle out of it.
I read these next two as null-leaning frustration.
Couldn't find anything that seemed like town frustration. In all honesty, I think a townie would get more mad than DarknessB got.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Ok goodnight everybody.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Whad, every one of the quotes you've cited below was in response to a direct question or thought by another player. I'm curious why you find the answers suspect, but you don't seem to mind the banal questions / thoughts by each original player? Honestly feels like you fished these quotes out to misrep me as some master of the obvious. Specific responses are below in teal for your reference:
Whad, I don't expect any sort of response from you about this, but I will be paying attention to see if you step up your content from simply misrepping players. Two can play at the passive aggressive snark game, eh?
I really can't imagine that anyone who rolled Jester would in fact claim Jester on Day 1. I know Firebringer is often partial to crazy gambits, but that might be a lot even for him. The AIVION thing is a little weird and I agree that it'd be nice to get a little more of an explanation of how anyone could read him as Town-sided given his early content, which lacked substance.
Wait, why would fully explaining your townreads be anti-Town? This is a game of persuasion, and instead, you're making it sound like you have some super secret read which if explained, would spell doom for us. Instead, this honestly felt like you were buddying Iced since he has been a fairly high volume contributor so far and happened to be around when you made this post.
Also, how would you know Iced's role at this point in the game? You seem to like prodding other players for their reads, but are holding your own cards close to your chest, which is quite hypocritical of you and questionable. If you want credibility, it's going to require more than poking other players and refusing to give your own insights.
This is honestly a huge stretch. How would someone saying they are jealous of someone else claiming Jester be themselves counterclaiming that role? You're not jealous of stuff that you have -- that makes no sense. This is what I'm getting at when I say you seem to make odd assumptions that border on misrepping other players to make them look bad.
This is another below the belt tactic right here -- Calix specifically said she was going to sleep earlier in the thread and you are calling her out for not responding to your push on her? I could just as easily do the same thing to you, but that would make no sense given you are asleep.
Thus far, I agree that Firebringer vs. Calix pissing match seems like mostly TvT that was largely the result of not many of us being around and tempers flaring early in the game. Calix's push on Firebringer was a little strong for the odd Jester claim (which would seem to be a joke to me), but the AIVION point was more valid. From my vantage point, I am guessing that Firebringer just had a gut read on AIVION, but obviously, he should explain further.
Pretty sure Calix made the point about the neutral possibly being a neutral killer though and I guess the point about the Town configuration being variable was evident by the setup itself (i.e. every slot reads Town Random and Town Random encompasses all Town slots). Just seems like this post was NAI (non-alignment-indicative) at best, and at worst, AIVION trying to do setup speculation as opposed to reading players. Sure, I don't regard it as anything major, but it's more filler than helpful in my eyes.
I won't die tonight so i have no Pressure. I just feel weird when most of the save....host pick scum is veteran player, it's make me feel like newbie is almost always a town....we could use this logic if I remember correct
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Popping in before school. Just going to note down these posts and come back to them later (if still relevant)
Spoiler : Iced's reads :
Spoiler : Whad's case on me :
Will get back to the case on me after school, but that last line rubs me the wrong way. Why would you need to "reconcile" your opinion with what the rest of the town thinks? Presenting a case to see how others respond (and adjusting your read in light of that), sure. Adjusting your opinion to fit in with the majority is not.
Spoiler : Another Iced post :
Ew, fuck off. I literally made a post saying that I was going to sleep at 3AM IN THE MORNING.
"Anti-town"
It amuses me how you can't stick yourself down in a legitimate scum-read. Keep on flip-flopping between "scummy as fuck", "null", "anti-town", "scum" again with no consistency to it.
In other news, read the fucking thread. I've spoon-fed "MY READ ON AIVION HAS CHANGED" way too many times for it to fly over your head. I don't see the insane stretch required to initially read AIVION as scummy, push, notice your weird-ass behaviour in regards to AIVION and conclude that you might be scum instead of him.
I've already said on multiple occasions that I've been mulling my stance on AIVION because of FB's interaction with him. The fact that Whad and FB both ignore this to act like I'm 'voting with a scum-read' is suspect.
Spoiler : Decent-ish post by Whad :
I'm not under the impression that POD handpicks roles for players, but sure, let's find out to be 100% sure:
POD, did you randomly assign roles to players or did you handpick this game?
Regardless, I think it's a bit dangerous to start metaing the host on who might have received what role.
I am horrible at this sleeping thing. HIYA!
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Your right, my reads are changing. But I have been saying you are scum and I said you were leaning more towards null, though with Iced latest posting you might be my strongest scum read.
Cool story
What does your interactions with me change AIVIONs role card? How does what I do, impact what his alignment is? Seriously.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
You acknowledge this, but don't allow me to change my own without it being scummy...?
Why?
You don't get to 'cool story' the part where I counter part of your 'case' against me.
"FB's interactions with HIM"
You really don't know how to read, do you?
There is no way you are actually this dumb. Associative tells are a thing. If someone is acting suspiciously around a slot after you pressure said slot, that's not something you let slide just because you initially scum-read someone.
Hey DarknessB Thanks for your response.
Regarding this first quote, I read it in a way that looked bad for you upon my first few reads of the game and now am interpreting it differently. You're off the hook there.Removal of what investigatives? Sheriff is listed as one of the possible Town roles, as are Detective and Lookout.
Maybe I'm giving this FM site too much credit but I would imagine that people can (a) read a setup, (b) never waste a lynch so you can use the lynch/vote count analaysis, (c) fishing for PRs is scummy, (d) meet basic activity and content requirements, and (e) well some people have differing opinions on policy lynching but my opinion is that bad town is still town.
Color me flabbergasted since it now appears to me that your intentions are sincere corrections of other players' misunderstandings of the game.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Nope, not going to explain my read on Iced right now. If I think it's anti-town to explain it at this moment you're going to just have to trust me on that.
I'd hardly say that I'm refusing to give insights. I've shared my thoughts on quite a few other players. Who's the one misrepping peoples posts now?
It had to be asked. Often players will be subtly focused on things concerning their role. I could see it as a soft neutral cc to let mafia know not to kill him.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now that you misrepping me about misrepping other players is simply not understanding my playstyle.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
AIVION have some family issues and will be replaced out momentarily.
Please come back to mine later.
My note on "reconciling" my opinion has to do with the fact that there are only three scum in this game, and more than three people were putting DarknessB in a town slot or even had once suspected DarknessB but drastically flipped their opinion (Firebringer). I don't have the advantage of knowing meta on his playstyle or any of all of your playstyles to help inform my reads.
I actually got a lot out of that post from AIVION.
Who here plays the sc2mafia mod?
Calix, do you play the sc2mafia mod?
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
@AIVION
Please unvote if you can.
EDIT: Don't bother, I reset it for you.
Last edited by powerofdeath; May 9th, 2016 at 06:48 AM.
Im about to head off for the next 9-10 hours, Mesk is and has been viewing the forums for some time, presumably catching up, and will hopefully be posting shortly. Whad continues to concern me with his efforts to reassure others of my mysterious role and alignment, which im still perceiving as a buddying attempt (god knows why when im still being scum read). Darkness came back and addressed most of the comments and topics in the thread since he had left, but ignored or didnt discuss any of the posts I had made or been involved in, which struck me as odd given his involvement in my posting earlier in the game. And thats about it for now, im too tired to write coherent sentences or use any kind of nice formatting, everything is just going to be one big blob. See you all in the morning.
This is all I've got time for now. Won't be back for at least 12 hours.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Hi,
So yesterday when this game started I wasn't online and when i was online i was really like not on this planet.... sooooooo excuse me for the random 2 cents but I did want to show i was participating....I'm just going to go over some thing I know I had been asked some question about my ideas and there was an accusation somewhere, just give me a moment please.
Also right now it's 7:30am for me. I will be most likely on till around 11 or so then i'll be fucking off for a bit.
but most times you can find me active after 10pm... except for last night where i passed out at the computer with cheeseycheese on my fingers.
Resetting vote count btw.
@SuperJack replaced AIVION
Firebringer (1 [L-4]):
Calix
Yukitaka Oni (1 [L-4]):
Iced_Monopoly
AIVION (1 [L-4]):
Unknown1234
Unknown1234 (2 [L-3]):
DarknessB, AIVION
Calix (2 [L-3]):
Firebringer, Whad
Rise and shine...l
- Calix and Fire won't die tonight
- DarknessB or Superjack might die tonight....
- the other and me have normal chance to die tonight
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